CORRECTION: Silver Snow was developed before Verdant Wind, so saying Silver Snow is a copy is misleading. Its more accurate to call Silver Snow “an inferior version” of Verdant Wind, which is the main point I was trying to make. Thanks to the comments that pointed this out
@@CatManThree The two routes aren't that different, but Verdant Wind does have an exclusive character with unique classes and one more chapter than Silver Snow. Also Claude being the protagonist helps the story a great deal imo. Silver Snow has almost no exclusive content outside of its final map.
@@Armads4Prez Yeah gameplaywise it was definitely lacking for various reasons. Storywise it could have been WAY better but its nothing offensively bad. I definitely don't agree that Verdant Wind is better though. Way I see it is Verdant Wind is tragically disappointing and suffers immensely from the copy paste of a route that has nothing to do with it. That's just my opinion though.
Armads4Prez based on Cindered Shadows they might as well made as well expanded that into The 5 path because the DLC does not even line up with the main story.. the Ashen wolves do not even recognize the Professor and the Ashen wolves do not even know that much about each other's history.. compared to the DLC that Ashen Wolves in the Cindered Shadows were more familiar and closer to each other. Another valid point is that the Ashen Wolves Considered Byleth, Dimitri, Claude, Edelgard, Ashe, Hilda, Linhardt Friends.. Do Not Get Me Started With Jeralt He Would Be furious with Rhea Regarding Sitri.😂😂😂 It Would makes Things Worse or Rhea have No Choice to Reveal Everything about Sitri and Byleth. Do Not Get Me Wrong, i Like The DLC.. But It Could Of Been More if it Was More Consistent... realistically speaking Tje DLC is just as Canon as the other four paths.. we basically have 5 timelines.. 6 if Rhea ends up Dying in Sliver Snow if You Do Not A Support her... 7 If Do Not Dedue paralogue in Blue Lions Route.. If Do Not Dedue Does Not Survive The Timeskip. I do not see how it's possible for a sequel to Made unless they give it the Ocarina of Time treatment and Sequels Based On Three Houses Paths... That Could Potentially profit. However the Crimson flower ending makes No Sense.. I feel It Would Make sense oz Rhea Was Overwhelming Byleth and Edelgard.. Forcing Byleth To Overtax The Crest of Flame To Deal The Finishing Blow On Rhea.... But as Result Of Overtaxing it.. The Creststone Is Destroyed....Byleth survived because of His partial Natabean heritage and Being Sothis Vessal.... Meanwhile Sothis who partially remebering the past comfort and Guide The Departed Souls killed in Battle and proceed gives Rhea A Long Tongue Lashing on How Damage She Did.. But Gives Her Some Love in Seeing Her Daughter again.. Only to reprimand her again For An Idiot.... Cycle Repeats.
@@eevee1583 the execution of ch 17 could use some polish. Also the bigger point is that different characters should have diferent arcs to appeal to diferent aspects of people or to diferent people entirely . No matter how good Dimitris arc is , you are gonna lose people if you just keep repeating it with diferent characters.
Imagine in the last battle Macuil & Indech come to Rhea to help since it’s no longer the war they never wanted to be in & now a fight against the man that killed their brethren.
@@angellexgamer5416 well even if Claude's Paralogue where Macuil is killed is obviously exclusive to VW, Linhardt's and Leonie's Paralogue where you defeat Indech could be done here too so I don't think it would be possible
@@gallalameblook9911 In Claude’s paralouge, Macuil is not killed. Immediately after his defeat Claude indicates that he is sleeping and they decide to take the Sword of Berguia while he is asleep. Indech was testing Leonie & Linhart (Though of course showing no mercy) so there could actually be some interesting dialogue with them if the Paralouge is done. Besides I believe they could turn a blind eye to ally with the team this once to kill the person to was directly involved in the masacre of their people.
If we got Serios version of Rhea as a lord for Silver Snow then i would actually play it haha. Playing Black Eagles then losing the 2 hardest hitting units is just bad haha
I would LOVE to have Rhea as the MC for Silver Snow; as much as I like Seteth, neither he nor Byleth can carry a story the way Claude or Dimitri can. As greedy as it sounds, I wish Nintendo and Intelligent Systems would make a Deluxe Edition of Fire Emblem so they can fix Silver Snow, flesh out the problems in the other Routes, and maybe do a little bit more with the Ashen Wolves (that last one may be a bit of a REAAACH, but like I said: I'm greedy). Also: I considered marrying Rhea in my Verdant Wind Playthrough, then Constance came out.
Same. I would probably like CF if they decide to make an effort to fix the damn story. And I want Jeralt to be playable in some of the pre-timeskip maps too.
Silver Snow was disappointing bc I think it's a missed opportunity to have several thousand year old characters and barely talking about their own backstories/thoughts on the war, knowledge you would only get from them, instead of just using them as storytellers for details that could've just been in the monastery library or inferred from foreshadowing.
One big issue Silver Snow has is that it's core concept would've worked really well if the game didn't have multiple routes. Because as it stands, it was doomed to be inferior when the other paths by comparison don't sacrifice anything content-wise.
Well, Rhea IS a dragon and we all know what happens to dragons that live for too long... They go insane! *cough* Every single Fire Emblem game in a nutshell *cough*
Honestly Seteth is my favourite character in all of Three Houses. I think he has depth and presence to spare. The problem is that SS isn't about him, he is tangentially affected but he isn't one of the main players in the story. I think the idea was to make Byleth the main Lord but they needed someone ge could talk to so Seteth appeared out of nowhere to take that seat as "main Lord".
@@furyousd5690 lmao you have not read any single of his support conv what so ever. That's like saying delgard is just fuck church unify fodlan. Or Dimitri is just haha killing go brrrr
I sent my seteth to edelgard's map alone and started skipping enemy and player turns. Only he remained. Absolutely insane, maybe its because he has Dio's voice actor in Japanese dub... Yes that might be why.
Seteth is also way, WAY better in Hunting by Daybreak than Dimitri as a Wyvern Lord. He'll probably get swift strikes during the map (assuming you didn't farm him up to A spear pre-timeskip like I did) and Flying Mount is way better than being land locked since you can fly up on walls to limit the melee attacker bum rush.
All so Seteth (for me at least) was very bulk he had health in the 60 and on the final chapter he took like 10 damage from the church soldier. (This was on hard by the way)
They did somehow go more overkill. He’s one of only 3 characters that learns the broken swift strikes combat art(other 2 are Ferdinand and Sylvain)and he starts extremely strong
As someone who loves three houses, I would definitely play through your version of Silver Snow in a heartbeat, and I’d love to see your takes on fixing the other routes. I would’ve really liked to see Edelgard & Byleth face off against TWSITD, and a different final boss for Claude’s route would be neat (though Nemesis was still cool).
I would be down for a fixed Silver Snow. I really like how you made Rhea feel very ashamed but soon change in order to redeem herself and take back Fodlan. Great job man
My friend played this version and he framed the narrative as helping Ferdinand lead a rebellion against Edelgard to overthrow her. I quite liked this idea as Ferdinand's was always trying to challenge Edelgard for the position of Emperor. I think it would have been really cool if after the timeskip, Ferdinand gets promoted to a Lord rank (with increased stat boosts) and becomes the central lord of that route. I don't know of this was ever done in older games, but the idea of Three Houses taking a supporting character with established motivation and then promoting him to main character sounds really cool. And you could still have Rhea be a really important character too. It's just that now Ferdinand can become the central political character the Avatar and Rhea rally around. And because we lost Hubert and Edelgard, Ferdinand and Rhea could replace both of them. We could get some awesome exploration of both Ferdinand and Rhea this way, with Rhea focusing on the introspective and lore aspects of the route while Ferdinand takes care of the main plot of defeating the Empire. And this might conflict with your video a bit, but I think fighting Edelgard should be the main story. Because the big emotional hook of this path is having to fight against your prized student. Everyone who played Black Eagles loves Edelgard because they explored her character so well in the first half of the game. No one wanted to kill her even if they sided against her. My friend for instance was emotionally devastated after the plot twist, he actually stopped playing for a bit, he was that torn up. This should be the focus of the plot post-timeskip because it's the only branch in the entire game that can explore such a question: What do you do when you have to fight someone you care about?
I love that Ferdinand idea!! and also his father was stripped off from the position of being the prime minister and his house was pretty much "disgraced" it gives him more motive. Which I wondered about when playing crimson flower because if I was Ferdinand I would've fought against her and not with her for what she did to my family
I like that Ferdinand headcannon, as well but I don't think it fits him. Sure he's Edelgard's Lancer archetype who butts heads with her but he is nice, respectful and supportive towards her. If he was more like Felix (towards Dimitri), then that would make sense. You would also need to explain why he is standing against her, now, whereas in all other timelines, he is fighting alongside the empire. Personally, I don't like Ferdinand or at least he is the most forgettable of the Black Eagles class and his war design does not suit him, at all. He is very "generic", for lack of a better word. I welcome chances to improve him, though.
I think the issue with that from a game balance point of view is that for that to work you need to keep ferdie alive before timeskip. However, if you are picking crimson flower over silver snow, this isn't actually important at all, so it just creates an unneccesary restriction on certain players. I do think it would be cool to have ferdinand be the one to try and overthrow edelgard, but the branching paths mean it's difficult to have both routes exist without forcing players into potentially useless objectives
@@CritXB I can picture Ashe (Yes. I'm an idiot) or Raphael or Petra becoming a demonic beast if they ever touch Heroes Relics. Their Crit Hit Quotes could still work, except more echoey like Manaketes such as Corrin and Tiki and more malfested
I wish they made a special class like that for her like how Edelgard got Armored Lord, Dimitri got High Lord, and Claude got Barabossa (am i spelling that right). Plus, it would've been cool if there was one Manakete in the game. I personally think Rhea could've been a dragon that can only control her powers for a bit with a dragonstone and only goes into a full-on boss mode when she's in a draconic rage :'//
The Silver Snow route in game feels like a fanfiction: "You're so smart and strong and hot *insert your name here*, would you marry my daughter?" I know that Byleth is meant to be a silent protagonist (self-insert) but the lack of a lord to ground the story makes this more obvious
Silver Snow is the only route who's ending properly explains Byleth's birth. You get see the crest stone in Byleth's heart at the end of Crimson Flower, and Rhea briefly covers the topic in Verdant Wind, but here you get her full presentation about how she created vessels to put the stone in to, how their parents coming together created the perfect host, and what happened to Byleth's mom. Even though it isn't too hard for the player to put it together themselves, this is the route exclusive lore dump it gives you. You seem to reference throughout the video that Silver Snow a 'knockoff Verdant Wind'. In actuality, Silver Snow was the first route the developers worked on, and afterwards it became the base structure for Verdant Wind and Azure Moon. This also explains why Crimson Flower has less content, as they weren't able to use Silver Snow a template. Silver Snow feels lackluster because Azure Moon and Verdant Wind basically have the exact same plot but with more characterization. Yes they could have gone back and gave it more features to stand out, but they had to make content cuts as is, so I doubt we would have seen it. TLDR Three houses is Neopolotin, and Silver Snow is the vanilla.
I'm pretty sure that Rhea was planned to be playable all along, but due to development constraints she was cut. There's evidence in-game and from early leaks (which got almost everything else right, including the time skip long before we knew about the time skip) that she was supposed to be playable. The easiest way to fix these routes is to make Rhea playable in Silver Snow, replace Gronder on Silver Snow rather than skip that month, and swap final levels between Silver Snow and Verdant Wind. All of the character development and everything can still be present, including Rhea still continuing to try and bring back Sothis through Byleth until Rhea has her own revelations just like the video suggests. As fun as it would be to go ALL IN on replacing stuff, not all of it is necessary. Just making Rhea the Lord of the route and swapping the VW/SS final bosses would be enough.
@@JaidynReiman replacing SS and VW final maps make so much sense. Seiros gets to fight Nemesis, and Claude gets to fight The Immaculate One after going on about finding out the truth about it all the time.
I would love this route. Ok, Ill admit, I like Rhea. I like how mysterious she is and also the character herself. That we never got to see how this character would act as Lord is a Shame, She is literally made for this.
It also makes sense with the weapons of all the lords (and Byleth). Byleth: Sword Edelgard: Axe Dimitri: Lance Claude: Bow Seteth: Another axe I guess and he flies too and can do some lance stuff. Rhea: Magic & brawling (and a sword, okay)
Dude, this is mind blowing for all the right reasons, I too agree that Nemesis should’ve been the final boss for Silver Snow and Rhea a unique playable character, would’ve made the route more favorable.
I have covered every single map in 3H with so much blood and body parts so many times for over 300 hours and I totally agree. Cindered Shadows was really good and added some new victory conditions that I was surprised by. Almost every single map in the main game is "Rout all Enemies", and there are few secrets. FE6 gets a lot of flak, but it did the true/secret ending pretty well.
If they really wanted to make an unfinished 4th route, they should’ve put more into it and kept it as DLC. That way the 3 first routes would be ABSOLUTELY polished, and the last one as well. And it would feel normal because most people expected 3 routes from a game called *Three Houses.*
Eevee Emblem Crimson flowers only problem was it being too short. Otherwise it’s fun gameplay and passion filled story with Edelgard is great 👍 I like Dimitri and Claude’s routes as well.
'When I heard there was a SECRET Church route' No. Crimson Flower is the 'secret' route. The default; if you miss the trigger; is Silver Snow. You actually need to go out of your way and do a couple of things to get Crimson Flower. Seteth isn't a Lord either. Although his stats really aren't far off the main 4.
What about a SS where the Black Eagles side with Edelgard instead of Byleth? Maybe have some sort of retention mechanic based on whether Byleth or Edelgard's support with them is higher. I think it could be very interesting - in a worst case scenario, you'd be down a full eight units, and have to readjust with just the knights of serios. By splitting the eagles, it would add some emphasis that this is the church route by giving the church units an opportunity to be used instead of the eagles.
Yeah and probably have it set up to where you can choose to recruit them when you encounter them again in combat. You can probably use the timeskip ravine scene as an excuse for them to rally behind their homeland and edelgard with Byleth gone. To then be swayed once they reunite as foes.
Well, I believe that was supposed to happen if a student fell in battle. I tgink Edgegard says something to that effect, but it's never seen since the students are considered dead, rather than unrecuited. Real missed oppurnty though.
I agree just as much as I love Silver Snow despite its flaws I mean I like all 4 routes despite their flaws SS SHOULD balance the recruitment system concerning the Black Eagle Students other than our Goth Dude Hubert whether they join Edelgard or Byleth depends on the Support they have with one or the other like if the non-Hubert Black Eagle Students have a higher support with Byleth compared to Edelgard they're convinced their best idea in the War would be to side with Byleth as if they were recruited outside of their house in Azure Moon and Verdant Wind while if the opposite the Black Eagles other than Hubert have a higher support rank with Edelgard they'll side with her instead of Byleth just like when not recruited in Azure Moon and Verdant Wind.
@@jackpurches3558 Well, that makes sense since this route was considered a "Hard Mode" anyway by the delvopers. The lack of a Lord and the minus one deployment slot is a way to make the game harder, so instead of that, having this mechanic helps keep the challenge mode the original SS had.
Fun fact, Edelgard’s route was intended to be the secret route, not the church’s. I don’t get why they assumed that most people who picked Black Eagles would slide against Edelgard
Because that's the point of Fire Emblem Three Houses. Just look at the theme song. I always say "Fire Emblem Three Houses is Edelgard's story. And it's a tragic story." I think the fact that Silver Snow was the first route to be made shows that the game was originally intended to be about Edelgard and the Professor bonding, then fighting and killing each other during the war.
Well originally, according to the developers, it was supposed to muuuuuch harder to get the option to side with Edelgard. Her reveal as the Flame Emperor and her leaving Byleth to fight against you is supposed to be a shock to the player
@@illusionofquality979the hints were only obvious on Dimitri’s route because of the part where she dropped her dagger. On her route, they’re extremely subtle and unnoticeable during the first time round. She comes off as this sweet innocent good girl only to reveal herself as The Flame Emperor later on.
It is possible that both were worked at the same time and shared ideas even if SS is the first one VW ended up a lot more polished, and just because is the original it doesn't remove the argument that 4 routes were released at the same time and VW is everything SS wanted to but better, even more involvement from the church as you can't have Cyril and Catherine until just before the timeskip. Still I love the final battle of SS a bit more.
Silver snow + : - Find quickly Rhea - Can S support Rhea - Main route - Fight Against The Least Amount of Former Students - Every students will satisfy after TWSITD are defeated. - : - April mouth absent - Very difficult without Lord - Reunion at Dawn and Following the Dream hard map. - Cannot get Felix sword and Annette Crusher and her battalions. Other route + : - Have lord character - : - Face enemy students I really hate fight enemy students so that why I choose Silver Snow many times. (4th, 6th, 8th, 9th and 10th the last.) If you are the kind of player that does not find satisfaction in killing your former monastery students, then the Silver Snow route is perfect. Out of all four routes, the Monastery Route gives players the opportunity to avoid wallowing in despair after killing former friends, colleagues, and students in battle. Since most of the church faculty and Black Eagles students will remain by Byleth’s side after Edelgard’s betrayal, this leaves only a handful of former students to fight against and most can be actually recruited if defeated by Byleth in battle.
Some interesting ideas here. Honestly didn’t think Silver Snow was that bad, although I did play it first, without having blamed Golden Deer. Also the plan to take Fort Merceus seemed heavily implied that Seteth came up with the plan, but is giving you the credit for it. He’s a follower by nature, and always strives to be the perfect lieutenant, content to let you take the glory. What does bother me though are things like Cyril - you can’t recruit him until route split in Black Eagles. If you go with Church he is the normal very under leveled villager. If you go against the Church he is a powerful Wyvern Rider enemy. A prime missed opportunity for one of the Church-affiliated characters to shine. As for last chapter, I agree it would make more sense for Silver Snow to be fighting Nemesis, and Claude to fight Rhea, given where each is coming from. Just switching the final chapters would help greatly with this.
YES, Rhea really has a lot of potential as a character and has a deep conection in the story, I argue she and Edelgard are the 2 most influential characters, but Rhea is abscent most of the game in HER route, and the fact that Black Eagles students do take a lot of agency also afects it but she is even programed in the game she should've been playable in her route.
Mario2980 but if you don’t meet the conditions, it does not even give you the message “this choice will impact the story” - it forces you into silver snow unless you have the Edelgard requirements.
Rhea's S Support would make even more sense in your rewrite than in the canon route. Not only is she alive, she goes thru so much shit and actually develops as a character, so her S Support with her feelings being changed for Byleth makes sense and goes the same way as the other lords.
Tbh, I would've also given her and Byleth an A+ Support post-timeskip. Like, maybe have it so that if you manage to unlock her A-support pre-timeskip as intended, you would still see it as simply an "A" on the support list for the remainder of part 1, but then you get to part 2 and ta-da! There's now an A+ support with Rhea. I even wrote an idea of how it'd go; I'd post it here, but it's basically a wall of text xD But yeah, if we had seen her and Byleth interacting post-timeskip the same way he got to bond with the three lords on their routes, I reckon Rhea's S-support would've been more well-received. I mean, if you look at it, the S-support is actually great, because it shows progression for Rhea as a character and has a good thematic about acceptance and moving towards the future. Thing is, since the developers omitted her form like 80% of part 2, they also kinda omitted the development toward it; I think it's still there, but it happens off-screen (basically, it's told rather than shown). Which in turn also ended up not really clearing any of the misconceptions people got about the pairing unfortunately.
I honestly think both BL and GD have the same problem *but in different scale*. Silver snow doesn't differentiate itself enough to be worth calling it an entirely new route but this problem can be felt in the first few chapters of BL and GD too, I'd love to see what you'd do with those routes since you did such a good job in this vid (plus I need to see the other ideas you had for a Claude villain)
I feel the same way about BL and GD. All the non-Crimson Flower routes are extremely similar in gameplay, but Silver Snow just so happens to be the least original of them. Also I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I’ll be starting a How to Fix Verdant Wind soon
I love your content. The edit on this one was perfect. I laughed a lot, and I think your ideas on SS route are logic and now I wanna play with Rhea more and more. Rhea deserves better. 10:10 poor Pallardó. I lost my shit here. He only wanted gold.
I did crimson flower first as well and I felt the same way about being lost when it came to lore. I ladee found out the Thalas was Edelgards uncle, and was shocked even though it was said, but they just gloss over every important bit in crimson flower.
I may be greedy for saying this, but I would've liked a couple of chapters of Crimson Flower dedicated to Byleth and Edelgard fighting TWSITD, before going for their final battle with Rhea. Maybe after the siege on Arianrhod (I probably didn't spell it right), Lord Arundel orders an Agarthan missile to destroy the fort in an attempt to kill Byleth, not really caring if Edelgard and the rest of the Imperial Army become casualties, Lord Arundel in the next chapter confronts Edelgard on why Byleth is still alive, Edelgard infers that it was him who sent the missile, then Arundel admits he did want to kill Byleth, not just for killing Cornelia who was their mole in the Kingdom, but because the mindset of the Agarthans are: "Fuck the Fell Star and they deserve to die a gruesome death." Essentially turning TWSITD against the Empire. Then when the Black Eagle Strike Force go to Shambahla, Arundel removes his disguise and is revealed to be Thales. After his death, Byleth and Edelgard then head to the Tailtean Plains to meet Dimitri in battle. Like I said, I might be greedy for wanting something more out of Crimson Flower, but I still like it more than Silver Snow.
12:28 Yes! It makes sense they'd rehearse Zahras on Byleth to execute it on Rhea. I approve of this. Edit: Nevermind that... I APPROVE THIS ENTIRE CHANGE LOG!!! (If only it was a change log...)
This was a really good video! I have 235 hours in three houses (I've played all the routes) and silver snow was my least favorite for sure. It honestly felt pretty bland and there was so much more potential as you pointed out in the video. There were still elements I enjoyed don't get me wrong, however my biggest gripe with SS was that Rhea wasn't really explored all too much and that she wasn't a playable unit, I think that was a HUGE missed opportunity imo. Seteth is still a good character, he just felt very forced as a "lord". These changes I feel would have made the route so much more better and enjoyable. I really enjoyed the video and would definitely want to see more of whatever you put out. Keep up the good work man :)
the chills when he said nemesis could fight seiros tho I was always thinking that should have been her fight, for CF I thought it'd be cool if those who slither in the dark betrayed edelgard after killing rhea and so theres a couple more chapters potential there, for claude I'm not sure
Like, make VWs last few fights SSs, make SSs CFs, and give Claude a final fight with like, his dad or something. Just shofting around the endings make the routes make more sense.
I’m just laughing through the pain with this. Like damn the POTENTIAL in Silver Snow is insane but what we actually got is, like you said, a cheap rip-off of Verdant Wind
As far as Rhea's low point as a Lord, I feel this idea doesn't quite manage to tie into Rhea's greatest flaw in the game - her faith-inspired passivity. Fodlan's deterioration pre-war is largely facilitated by Rhea only doing the bare minimum actions required to keep the status quo, trusting that Sothis would eventually return and fix everything. This can actually be explored with this idea without much change. Instead of calmly telling Rhea that the Nabateans were meant to guard Fodlan in Sothis's absence, Sothis can just be her snarky gremlin self and scold Seiros for being a selfish girl and forsaking all the responsibility she took upon herself when becoming Archbishop. This could parallel Rodrigue's role in AM, snapping Seiros out of her flawed line of thinking and forcing her to rethink her life and acknowledge her own failings. With the added bonus of the therapy god who achieves this being the actual Progenitor God, as opposed to the divine revenant known as Byleth. This even opens up a possibility for a nice moment in the ending to contrast with the opening. After beating Nemesis again, this reinvigorated Seiros would not kneel with her mother's remains near a puddle of blood, but would instead stand tall amidst the people she's finally ready to lead. Edit: Actually, there could be an even more direct frame-for-frame reversal. Instead of the Imperial troops in the light triumphantly brandishing their weapons and Seiros kneeling and muttering, we can have Seiros triumphantly raising her sword in the light as Nemesis's army crumbles to dust, and the knights kneeling as she loudly announces victory.
Your additions of Rhea/Seiros into the story were perfect. I'd have loved to play this version However, I will also add that I think the potential improvement SS already exists. It's called The cindered shadows Ashen Wolves DLC. The point of this DLC was to show more background on the additional crests, saints, and Byleth history. And that fits perfectly into SS as a route. Why? Because in the DLC Rhea tells Aelfric that he cannot ever revive the dead, they are gone forever. But Rhea herself needs to learn this message in the main campaign. So this could have been the perfect theme of SS too as Rhea learns thru Aelfric that the dead cannot come back, we need to learn to let go. This is a huge step for Rhea to learn. And it would help her as a character too. The tricky part is that it doesn't really connect to part 1 at all. So, I think SS should have been about the Ashen Wolves in part 1 instead of the Black Eagles. Simply add 4 more Ashen Wolves to make the full class of 8. And part 1 of Black Eagles is removed from SS perhaps and given only for CF. But that's just one option for the new SS part 1.
You could also add a menu option or an action performed during the original Garreg Mach Class introduction. When asked what class you want to teach, you could simply add "undecided" and then investigate the grounds to find the abyss entrance near your previously uninhabited room. Or finding the hole during the first month gives you the action of teaching them instead so Rhea can find a replacement teacher for whatever class you previously were teaching.
@@thenamedoesnotmatter There would def need to be some adjustments for Ashen Wolves to be the house of the new Silver Snow. Honestly it makes sense to have Ashen Wolves + other units join you from different houses too. Like all the units who have support with the Wolves (for example, Balthus can speak with Hilda and Lysithea, so maybe those 2 can join on this hypothetical new Ashen Wolves based SS path)
Another thing that would have been cool is that if you go silver snow, you're only guaranteed the church units. Byleth would need to have a B-rank support with their students for them to immediately join you. If you had a C-rank, you'd have to defeat them in battle with Byleth before recruiting them and if you didn't support them at all, you've got no choice but to kill them.
I see that there's some pretty common criticisms between the comments so I hope this addresses people's concerns (these are all just my opinion): "Silver Snow isn't the secret route. Crimson Flower is the one you have to complete an objective to play" Sure, but I know most people new to the game expected a route where you assist Edelgard. A Church route is "secret" because a new player would never anticipate it. That's what I meant in the video "Byleth is the main lord of Silver Snow, not Seteth" If you feel this way, then what I said about Seteth applies even more so to Byleth. I made fun of Seteth for being a "suburban dad" character, but Byleth rarely speaks at all. For a game that relies on a dramatic narrative, you shouldn't have someone like Byleth be the main focus. "You rely too much on Rhea's character in Crimson Flower. She lost her mind in that route. She's actually very kind and gave away power in every other route." I felt it was important to address that side of Rhea, because it's her lowest point. Rhea is normally a kind person, but she clearly has problems when people interfere with her plan to revive her mother. Rhea admits that she has regrets in her S-support with Byleth, and it seems that she may have lost her mind during her original fight against Nemesis (what kind of sane person rubs a bloody sword on their cheek like that?). I feel that something about being held captive in Enbarr may have improved her mindset. Imo, if you're making a route about Rhea, the player needs to be made aware of her flaws and Rhea needs to address those flaws in some manner in order to see true character development. Rhea would still show kindness in this new route (especially after meeting with her mother). "Why didn't you write it so that Claude/Dimitri/Rhea/Edelgard team up to fight a common enemy?" This is known as a "Golden Route" and while it's interesting to theorize about, I personally wouldn't want to see it actually implemented. It would make every other route feel worse, and it's also hard to write a dramatic story if everyone just becomes friends in the end. Ultimately, I'm very new to this RUclips thing, so I appreciate every bit of positive criticism I get. I'm also amazed by how many people genuinely enjoyed the video. Even though I won't respond to every comment, I have been reading them all up until this point
i feel like verdant winds could have delved more deeply into Claude's backstory as a half almyran imo. Maybe They could have somehow implemented that into the gameplay. Edit: nvm you already made the video and put Claude's lineage as part of the final boss. Anyways nice videos! i would love to see a how to fix crimson flower.
The Church route is not an secret route, because you can miss the requirements for CF easily and you can choose for Rhea prior to the time-skip. Silver Snow is the first route, so it's the default and CF is the secret one. Agreed on Byleth to some extent. Oh please, stop infantilizing her. That sword is her mother, you would probably do the same if your Mom was turned into one. Also what caused the Dilemma in CF was Byleth's Betrayal and the loss of her Brethren and nothing else. Also what kind of person thinks solidary confinement in a dungeon and being left malnourished for 5 years? agreed about the last part for that we have CS and that's enough.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 That's... actually pretty concerning. If you would rub the bloody bones of your dead mom on your cheek after BRUTALLY murdering the person who killed her, I think that you should seek help.
Personally I'd love to see a remake of 3H with the existing routes improved - particularly Silver Snow and Crimson Flower, and Silver Snow in pretty much exactly the way you described, and then a masterfully written golden route that is _only_ accessible after completing all the other routes and is based on the concept of Byleth and Sothis rewinding time to the beginning of White Clouds to try and fix things, preferably countless attempts down the line, and possibly with its own extremely unhappy ending (like everyone unites, but it's too late and they almost get completely wiped out by TWSITD) that then leads into another New Game+ where it is not just Byleth and Sothis who go back but also someone else such as Edelgard or Rhea and then and only then do you get your golden route happy ending. That would be my Three Houses remake.
People keep saying Seteth is the Lord in Silver Snow, but I don't think that's true. The real lord in silver snow is Byleth. he/she is the one leading the church in Rhea's absence. And in the context of silver snow, Byleth becomes the ruler of Fodlan since the Empire, Kingdom, and alliance are all left with a power vacuum that only the archbishop can fill. Heck, Rhea practically names Byleth archbishop before the time skip.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I wouldn't go that far. Byleth is a deadpan character much like Shamir and Dedue. And they're great characters. And depending on the support or paralogue Byleth can be more expressive than either of them. I like all the characters in the game, but if I had to pick a "worst character" it would probably be Anna since she doesn't really add anything, has no supports, and is only there as a franchise cameo.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 they are not supposed to be a character that is your mistake they are an avatar an avatar is it that hard to put yourself on his shoes? if so why?
@@fakebunny1272 that's the issue, their natute of being an avatar makes them a boring character (as they arent one) so trying to focus the narrative around them makes it less engaging as opposed to the other routes wich wisely chose to center their stories around other character's journies. Having a player avatar works for games like dark souls, where the focus of the narrative is on the world around the avatar, or undertale, where the many many choices you make allow you to insert yourself into the character you play, but for something like three houses where there is a heavy focus on character a player avatar makes the story less engaging due to how few points there are where your decisions actually effect where the story goes. You also seem to be implying that there is something wrong with me for not being able to insert myself into the avatar. I appologise if this was not your intent, but if it was then i would suggest not taking that approach in future.
I think the issue isn't so much that Silver Snow doesn't have a Lord, or that the "Lord" is Seteth, because it does have a non-Seteth lord: the problem is that it's Byleth, the objectively worse choice for a Lord in 3H. I know we all like to give Corrin shit - and fairly well-deserved at that, don't get me wrong - but Byleth is an even worse choice for a focal Lord than them because of the decision to make them an effectively silent protagonist, with them only being allowed dialogue options that are not allowed to meaningfully impact the story's direction or flow. I'd actually argue that Seteth, contrary to what you'd argue, isn't a bad character and isn't lacking in potential to make for a decent lead character. He's got a lot going for him, like how he strongly questions Rhea's many decisions and believes their society is backwards in many ways, yet at the same time knows much about her past and actions, and is probably the person she's closest to (outside of Insert Nameleth-kun) If anything, I feel, Silver Snow (and the time skip in general) neuters Seteth - because Rhea is absent and he's forced to be one of the primary voices of concern in trying to find her, he's not allowed to really explore his more contrary opinions about Rhea's decisions in shaping Fodlan like he could.
I think another cool thing to add to a new Silver Snow, is to have the Church of Seiros (Hanneman, Cyril, etc) (Excluding Gilbert) as your army in the timeskip. The Black Eagles will join Edelgard unless Byleth has a support of at least C with each of them. This way you have a different default army for every route.
lmao EVIL DISEASE, and also I would defintely play your ver. of SS man it would definitely fix the route. And yeah i also have to say i also to just played SS to get Funeral of Flowers its probably my fav tracks along side God-Shattering Star.
The church route could have been a chance to highlight some of the similarities between Edelgard and Nemesis as well as give Rhea a chance to basically do the War of Heroes over again to make up for the mistakes of her past. You could start the route the same with Byleth, their students, and the Knights of Seiros meeting up at the monastery. The Knights reveal that they have spent the past five years largely staying out of the conflict and searching for Rhea and they beseech Byleth to do the same. The former students aren't very happy that they won't be fighting the Empire, but ultimately they go along with their professor. Randolph's army still has to be repelled from Garreg Mach and the Church still clashes with the Empire, but the aim is not to liberate conquered territories or anything like that. Rather, the objective is determining Rhea's location and discovering just how deeply entangled TWSITD and the Empire have become. By the time Grondor rolls around, both the Kingdom and Alliance armies are asking the Church for help in the coming battle. At the same time, the Knights learn that Rhea is being held in a TWSITD-controlled facility. The Church refuses to help either side and instead goes to rescue Rhea. Once Rhea is free, she is mortified to learn that her life was given higher priority than the people of Fodlan. Rhea has come to learn the part her lies have played in leading up to the war and has decided it is time for her to atone. She once again leads the people of Fodlan into battle, this time not to satisfy her own revenge, but to fulfill her duty to the people she has failed. She dons the armor of Seiros, Seteth and Flayn reveal their true identities, and perhaps at some point Macuil and Indech are persuaded to join the cause. Together, they create a united front against the Empire, welcoming true believers of the faith into their ranks as well as what remains of the Kingdom and Alliance army. The new Church army approaches Enbarr through the old Kingdom territory rather than across Myrddin and through Grondor like the other routes, giving the opportunity for some new maps or at least the chance to reuse some different ones. Everything from Fort Merceus onwards proceeds roughly the same. Enbarr is taken and Edelgard is defeated, but not before TWSITD are able to escape. The Church gets Hubert's letter and it's pretty much the current VW ending from there. Perhaps Macuil tanks the nukes at Shambhala instead of Rhea so that she's still at full strength for the Nemesis fight. Once Nemesis is defeated and the true history of Fodlan is at last revealed, the Nabateans depart for a distant land, leaving Fodlan in the hands of Byleth and the humans. After all, if Sothis can entrust her power to a (mostly) human like Byleth, then perhaps it is also time for Rhea to at last leave Fodlan's destiny in the hands of its people.
Fun fact, on my first silver snow playthrough, setheth died during chapter 12. Meaning i couldn't use him at all, he still talked during all of the maps and appeared in the cutscenes. And then i look at what happened about all of my characters, then i learn that actually setheth died in 1185, from his wounds he got from 1181. Even if fodlan's calendar is different, setheth died from wounds that are around at least 1 year old.
I think SS should have been, A: a unified path with the Kingdom, Alliance, and Empire deserters working together or B: a full-blown Church route like you said, and I think the Black Eagle students will only join you if they have a C or B support with Byleth, but you will also have the option to spare them.
Damn this was a great ass video good jokes,great ideas that are totally possible considering the Assets the game already has. That’s a subscribe in my book
I think for azure moon the best way to fix chapter 14, you’d instead be unable to find (and unable to deploy) Dimitri before the battle, and then bam, he’s actually flanking on the right side of the map on like turn 3. It fits his “strategy” better, to one man army while everyone else defends, and it fits his character at the time for him to not say his idea.
Just finding your content now, really interesting thoughts! One problem you didn't address is how the first half of the route is spent developing the black eagles. If Silver Snow ended up being DLC (like other commenters suggested), Byleth could be presented the "I'd rather join the knights" option in chapter 1 and Jeritza takes over the Black Eagles as professor. You'd have to rework chapter 1, but literally every other pre-timeskip level could play the same. Your initial character pool is Gilbert, Jeralt, Seteth, Catherine, Shamir, Alois, Cyril and Jeritza (or Rhea) to make it 8.
Reunion at Dawn should have been a rescue Rhea mission so she can join after it, say she’s being transported from the empire to meet Arundel - she then joins but like Dimitri she is broken, she is devastated and full of rage and hate and like in other routes Byleth helps them heal, Byleth like in other routes is the warm sun, they melt away the ice encasing Rhea’s heart
I want to correct you here and say the Church route (Silver Snow) is the real Black Eagles route while Crimson Flower is the secret one. The reason I say this is because CF requires a few things that you may not know about to even unlock the choice to play it.
This was my first route and I loved many sections, Edelgard is great before the betrayal. And Petra, Dorothea, Seteh, Caspar, Bernadetta are all fun characters. Even Ferdinand grows on you because of his hatred toward Edelgard. You spot on with the lack of playable Rhea, the ending that came out nowhere and the lack of lord.
I really liked you’re rewrite of silver snow I would love to play you’re version of silver snow it makes way more sense and makes the route less of a hell hole
I think Rhea could still be an appropriate boss. Instead of using her evil disease as a random excuse, they could make her grief over losing Sothis be the cause. During Chapter 1, when you visit the Holy Tomb, we know that Rhea was expecting Sothis to reappear. In the Black Eagles route, this would be the perfect moment for Rhea to lose control of her emotions; perhaps she lashes out at the professor in frustration, only regaining control of herself when the Flame Emperor arrives, providing an immediate threat. This then makes the decision of whether or not to side with Edelgard more interesting; both Edelgard and Rhea are clearly flawed, but acting for sympathetic reasons. Chapter 2 can continue mostly as normal, but this time when the player rescues Rhea from Enbarr, she barely responds. 5 years of imprisonment and torture at the hands of the Empire have left her broken, mentally and physically. Recuperating at the monastery, she doesn't join the player in Shambala. Though Thales is defeated, he launches spears of light at Garreg Mach. Though Sothis' protection keeps the monastery itself safe, nearby areas are obliterated. When the player returns to the monastery, Rhea finally snaps. She blames the player for the destruction, her deprived mental state making her believe the professor simply allowed this to happen. She claims the professor doesn't care about her, thinking they simply let her rot away in Enbarr for five years, and refusing to hear the truth. Most importantly, she blames the professor for preventing the return of Sothis. Following this, Rhea transforms into the Immaculate One and vows to rip the crest stone out of Byleth's heart and begin anew. At this point, Seteth acknowledges her madness and regretfully admits that she must be defeated, or Fodlan will be in danger. The following battle is immensely tragic; not simply because you're fighting Rhea, but because you can understand her pain. Also Seteth seriously deserves a personal class. He's LITERALLY Saint Cichol, you can't get much more special than that.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Rhea deserves better, frankly it would have really helped with the themes of the story if the divide of the route meant we would know Rhea at her best or her worst. Still salty there is no support between the two babies units of the church (Flayn and Cyril).
I would've liked it if when Rhea promotes she announced to the world who she is so that her character is growing by throwing away her facade and essentially saying "Im back bitches"
Honestly, I’d play this Silver Snow. Also, after beating Silver Snow, you could get the Funeral of Flowers music, since there’s really no place for it in the game.
10:56 while she does want to get her mother back, I feel using her crimson flower self as proof she's willing to sacrifice everything is a really bad example since that's her approaching her worst. In every other route Rhea willingly sacrifices herself to allow the monastery students and staff time to escape to safety, hence her saying everyone young and old is in byleth's hands. But otherwise I would have really loved to see silver snow having so much more focus on Rhea and I did enjoy listening to this video and your ideas.
what sort of argument is that people are not multiple personality were they have a worst version of themselves its the same rhea just because you never found out how bad she can be in other routes doesn't mean she isn't
Please don't put words into my mouth and assume that I haven't seen how bad she gets in crimson flower. Yes she's the same person but the big difference is that the situation in every route outside of crimson flower is different to the lead up where we see her fall apart in crimson flower. And that's why she acts so differently.
@@MikulOnIce85 but of course people act less evil when they have the situation under control which is precisely why its worthless to prove how good someone is, its only when they are desperate that you can judge their values that is the closest to their real selves
Actually, I think that works all the better if she's actually called out for it being a shitty thing to do. After all the heartache and failure she endured with losing Garreg Mach to the Empire it'd make sense that she might feel desperate enough to use people as pawns to avoid another failure. It gives her a place to grow from.
Crimson flower is actually the one who’s the secret route with silver snow being the actual normal route (since you need many requirement to even unlock CF, while SS is always possible if you choose Edelgard)
7:47 if I remember correctly in her exposition speech in verdant wind Rhea mentions that after the red canyon tragedy she “took on the name Seiros” or something along those lines, which is how we know Seiros was a fake name.
Those changes you made, were amazing! And O totally agree that the fire thing at the monastery is definitely a Claude thing and I actually didn’t know about it until I got Verdant Wind because in Azure Moon, I didn’t get the Chirch soldier to get to the location with him dying. 😂😂😂
To address your confusion regarding Rhea's madness: contrary to popular belief, all fire emblem games do in fact occur in the same timeline. Therefore, dragons that don't seal their power into dragonstones and become manaketes go insane due to the planet being harmful to dragons. This is established all the way back in fe2 with Mila and Duma. There are a number of ways to explain why her and the other nabataeans may be unaware of this fact, but since they clearly originated in the Nabata desert before coming to Fodlan, which was long after the Scouring, it seems realistic that the knowledge may just be lost to time. It may even be that Sothis came to Fodlan to escape the Scouring, or that she was one of the divine dragons sent by Ashunera to colonize the new continents after radiant dawn. I'd like to see an hour long video where you discuss the timeline in full. Great stuff man.
Personally I’d start the route sooner. Have Byleth refuse the teaching position. As Rhea does not want him to leave, instead enlists into the knights. Still have Edelgard be important to the route. Also make recruiting students be both more important and explained as field experience for them.
I feel like seteth struggles as a important character cause both his motivations are fairly grounded and normal(keep flayn safe mainly) and he does not have any "character flaw" that can be used for development in the narrative,which ends up with the 2 main characters in the route being someone who is silent as fuck(byleth) and someone who can't go through a character arc/or have any grand ambition/dream because he's just not that type of person(seteth).
Something that could happen with Rhea in the battlefield is turning into the Imaculate One, she would have limited time to stay in that form, like 3 turns or 4
Love a lot of your ideas here. I played the game in the order : AM-> VW -> CF -> SS and by the time I got to silver snow I was so disappointed with how unfinished it felt. (I know it was the original route and there were definitely things I would have put in the other routes as well) I think the main fault of this game is that the devs spread themselves too thin. Excited to see more of hat you have to offer the FE community in the future.
I completely agree on these points on Silver Snow. A while back I was also thinking of possible story differences to better differentiate SS and Verdant Wind. I will admit, these story changes mostly changed the story past the Great Bridge of Myrddin. Here was what I had thought up: ------------------------------------- Silver Snow: The first main difference that I had thought up for Silver Snow would be with the assault of Fort Merceus. In this idea, the only person who conducts a sneak attack on Fort Merceus is Claude. A sneak attack really isn't something the Church is known to do (aside from in Crimson flower, where Flayn takes part on an ambush on the assault of Gareg Mach). I feel the Church would be far more likely perform a siege of the fort (probably nothing as direct as Dmitri did, storming through the center and all). However, this key change in the story is what will diverge SS and VW in their paths. As the Church conducts a more direct assault that can be seen from a mile away, TWSITD are able to easily learn of the Church's route of action. As such, they have ample time to prepare their javelin of light (or whatever the technical term for it was). Fort Merceus is destroyed, the assault on Enbarr goes the same, Edelgard is defeated, and Hubert learns of TWISTD, and the assault of Shambalah goes the same. As seen in the normal route, the self-destruction of Shambalah weakens Rhea, but instead of making her go sicko mode, Nemesis reawakens and takes the opportunity to hunt Rhea down. Hearing of Nemesis' revival, Rhea can't help but spill the truth similarly to how she did in VW, and her trauma from the past resurfaces. She urges Byleth that they must defeat Nemesis to fix the mistakes of the past and defeat the dark past that looms over Fodlan. This story could work with Rhea being a unit herself, or finding herself too weak to fight in the final battle. ------------------------------------- Verdant Wind: Before anything else, I would like to say that in Verdant Wind, Claude achieve's his goals, tearing down the borders and prejudices between Fodlan and the outside world, by the time they attack Merceus, with the whole little stunt between him and the Almyrans. This event will stay, however the story must challenge Claude's ideals, that Fodlan can coexist with their neighbors. I will get back to this point, later in this part. Alright, now onto the story changes. First, because this should've already been in the base game, when you meet with Judith, instead of just joining you in the monastery, she joins your team as this route's version of Gilbert/Jeritza. The next change goes to fort Merceus, where Claude's sneak attack on Merceus had taken TWISTD by surprise, leading to them being unable to prepare a Javelin of light in time to strike the fort. As a result, Hubert never learns of Shambalah, and upon defeating Edelgard, it seems everything has come to an end. However, seeing all of his carefully laid out plans fail, Thales grows impatient and attempts to strike once more. Tales takes notice of the returning Almyran army led by the King of Almyra itself, and leads TWSITD to stage a coup on the army. Their plan goes without fail, and Nader is overthrown, either killed, abducted, or something else. Using his magic, Thales disguises himself as Nader, and continues to lead the army. As such, he is able to control the Almyrans to invade the Alliance. Upon Byleth and Claude's journey back to Gareg Mach, messengers arrive that Derdriu has been overcome by hostile Almyran forces. Claude is absolutely shocked that his closest ally, his father, has betrayed him, and starts to doubt if Fodlan and the outside world can truly cooperate. As such, the chapter after defeating edelgard would then take place in Derdriu rather than Shambalah. In Derdriu, Claude and Byleth would find themselves fighting Almyran Wyvern lords and Titanus units led by Thales, disguised as Nader. Reinforcements would arrive from the West, led by Cornelia herself, who was able to completely cement her control over the Kingdom of Faerghus as a result of the remainder of Dmitri's loyalists dying from the Blood of the Eagle and Lion. The goal of this map would be to defeat all of the commanders, which would be both Cornelia and "Nader." When fighting Nader, Claude takes notice to his "father" using a completely foreign fighting style, wielding dark magic and agarthan weapons. When speaking to "Nader" through battle conversations, he sounds far more serious and aggressive than his usual tone. Defeating Nader will bring him to retreat back to Fodlan's locket. Upon speaking with Rhea, Claude mention's how his father seemed like a completely different man then he knew, and Rhea quickly recognizes that TWSITD are behind these attacks. Rhea flips out and goes into her rage mode, turning into her dragon form, determined to end TWSITD once and for all, even if that means massacring TWSITD's Almyran "allies". As the attack on Shambalah never occured, she still has plenty of strength to do this. Claude recognizes that if Rhea commits such an atrocity, his grand ambitions will be forever shattered. As such, he convinces everyone that they must intervene in the conflict. The final chapter will then take place on a larger version Fodlan's locket, in which you must fight two parties, rage-induced Rhea and her army of White Beasts and Knights to the west, and "Nader" and his following of TWSITD generals, Titanus', and Almyran Wyvern riders to the East. Both sides will be attempting to cross Fodlan's locket, and your job is to put a stop to both Generals, "Nader" and the Immaculate One. Upon succeding, the final cutscene plays, in which you see Byleth defeating Rhea and proclaiming new leadership over the Church, while Claude kills Nader-Thales, leading himself to succeed as the new King of Almyra. Both new leaders command their men to stand down, and Byleth and Claude end by shaking hands, as Claude proclaims how "A new dawn is upon the world." ------------------------------------- There is my take, feel free to ask for any details I may have missed, or comment your thoughts!
Your Idea is not Good. Claude is right about people having to coexist, you don't and should challenge that. That's like challenging the idea of making Friends in your life.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 What are you even arguing about? You are saying that Claude is right in trying to establish coexistence, which I am in no way disputing. Though in a story, especially in Fire Emblem story telling, the main characters face difficulties along that path. All I'm saying is that the conflict should be far more central to Claude's ambitions.
I just got done watching both this and your VW videos, and while I love 3H, the changes you mention would have made the game a LOT more fun to play through multiple times. Original silver snow basically destroyed my brain with stupid dev choices.
I think the "hero" of this path is meant to be Byleth in a solo position with Seteth as their lancer. It still doesn't work, because while Byleth is interesting imo they're meant to be more of a guiding presence: they help Edelgard retain her humanity, they pull Dimitri out of the abyss, they encourage Claude to be more than The Trickster. In SS they're suddenly shoved into a leadership position and this COULD be more interesting if the overall feel wasn't so bleak and Seteth did more than spout exposition. I wonder if Rhea wasn't made playable because she might end up TOO broken. She IS a dragon and she can fight back easily on Ashe and Catherine's paralogue if she gets attacked, and as Seiros she has a sword and shield with stat benefits named for her. Playing as her might make the route TOO easy. Finally, the idea of Seiros vs Nemesis is awesome. Except I wouldn't remove Nemesis from Verdant Wind because that epic shounen style final battle is perfection.
Edelgard not retain her humanity in CF....she is The same un The 4 routes. Byleth don't save Dimitri in BL, that is Rodríge and his sacrifice.... Byleth not help them at all, he/she only did The dirty work.
I’d love them to make a persona 4 golden / 5 royal style expansion to this game and re release it with a better church route and longer edelgard route and maybe some extra white clouds content to differentiate it between each play through. Oh and playable Rhea/Judith
You know, I was a bit hesitant throughout the video but you sold me your version as soon you mentioned the fight bewtween Seiros and Nemesis. That would've been cool as hell. Although, I'll be honest, I have a soft spot for Silver Snow because it is the only route where Byleth is the sole leader of the efforts against the Empire and TWSITD. Just wish it had a better plot and better characterisation.
Damn. Now I'm disappointed Rhea wasn't playable, and Silver Snow was my first route and I have a certain attachment to it. The story implications would've been amazing.
I personally played through Silver Snow last, and the ending felt so incredibly jarring; you have a perfectly good King of Liberation right there, why did Claude get him? Plus, there were plenty of hints that Claude's ideals and Rhea's would clash, leading to what I suspected to be a showdown against Rhea, but that never happened either. The endings just felt so disjointed and if the endings were reworked, they'd be so much better. I appreciate all the different points you brought up, it would certainly make the game more cohesive and better overall!
CORRECTION: Silver Snow was developed before Verdant Wind, so saying Silver Snow is a copy is misleading. Its more accurate to call Silver Snow “an inferior version” of Verdant Wind, which is the main point I was trying to make. Thanks to the comments that pointed this out
"Inferior version" is kind of stretching since VW is essentially just Silver Snow with Claude thrown into it and a random ass unrelated endgame.
@@CatManThree The two routes aren't that different, but Verdant Wind does have an exclusive character with unique classes and one more chapter than Silver Snow. Also Claude being the protagonist helps the story a great deal imo.
Silver Snow has almost no exclusive content outside of its final map.
@@Armads4Prez Yeah gameplaywise it was definitely lacking for various reasons. Storywise it could have been WAY better but its nothing offensively bad.
I definitely don't agree that Verdant Wind is better though. Way I see it is Verdant Wind is tragically disappointing and suffers immensely from the copy paste of a route that has nothing to do with it. That's just my opinion though.
Armads4Prez based on Cindered Shadows they might as well made as well expanded that into The 5 path because the DLC does not even line up with the main story.. the Ashen wolves do not even recognize the Professor and the Ashen wolves do not even know that much about each other's history.. compared to the DLC that Ashen Wolves in the Cindered Shadows were more familiar and closer to each other. Another valid point is that the Ashen Wolves Considered Byleth, Dimitri, Claude, Edelgard, Ashe, Hilda, Linhardt Friends.. Do Not Get Me Started With Jeralt He Would Be furious with Rhea Regarding Sitri.😂😂😂 It Would makes Things Worse or Rhea have No Choice to Reveal Everything about Sitri and Byleth.
Do Not Get Me Wrong, i Like The DLC.. But It Could Of Been More if it Was More Consistent... realistically speaking Tje DLC is just as Canon as the other four paths.. we basically have 5 timelines.. 6 if Rhea ends up Dying in Sliver Snow if You Do Not A Support her... 7 If Do Not Dedue paralogue in Blue Lions Route.. If Do Not Dedue Does Not Survive The Timeskip.
I do not see how it's possible for a sequel to Made unless they give it the Ocarina of Time treatment and Sequels Based On Three Houses Paths... That Could Potentially profit.
However the Crimson flower ending makes No Sense.. I feel It Would Make sense oz Rhea Was Overwhelming Byleth and Edelgard.. Forcing Byleth To Overtax The Crest of Flame To Deal The Finishing Blow On Rhea.... But as Result Of Overtaxing it.. The Creststone Is Destroyed....Byleth survived because of His partial Natabean heritage and Being Sothis Vessal.... Meanwhile Sothis who partially remebering the past comfort and Guide The Departed Souls killed in Battle and proceed gives Rhea A Long Tongue Lashing on How Damage She Did.. But Gives Her Some Love in Seeing Her Daughter again.. Only to reprimand her again For An Idiot.... Cycle Repeats.
I just wanted adult flayn damn
"Is there anyone else she could fight?"
Uh...After Edelgard, I guess no-
*God Shattering Star begins*
OHHHHHHHHH
Ngl, that'd be pretty freaking cool
lmao
The greatest music piece of all time plays
Seteth as Rhea's retainer could have been fun, especially if they dig into their sibling relationship.
I like how the best way to fix Rhea is to give her a version of Dimitri’s character arc
Dimitri's character arc is great
It is truly, but still is not absolutely perfect
@@eevee1583 the execution of ch 17 could use some polish. Also the bigger point is that different characters should have diferent arcs to appeal to diferent aspects of people or to diferent people entirely . No matter how good Dimitris arc is , you are gonna lose people if you just keep repeating it with diferent characters.
Similar arc is great, Rhea's mind is harder to be changed after all these years. Dimitri is still impressionable for he is younger.
And make her playable.
I wanted Rhea to be playable.
Imagine in the last battle Macuil & Indech come to Rhea to help since it’s no longer the war they never wanted to be in & now a fight against the man that killed their brethren.
@@angellexgamer5416 well even if Claude's Paralogue where Macuil is killed is obviously exclusive to VW, Linhardt's and Leonie's Paralogue where you defeat Indech could be done here too so I don't think it would be possible
@@gallalameblook9911 In Claude’s paralouge, Macuil is not killed. Immediately after his defeat Claude indicates that he is sleeping and they decide to take the Sword of Berguia while he is asleep. Indech was testing Leonie & Linhart (Though of course showing no mercy) so there could actually be some interesting dialogue with them if the Paralouge is done. Besides I believe they could turn a blind eye to ally with the team this once to kill the person to was directly involved in the masacre of their people.
I wanted to walk with you...
If we got Serios version of Rhea as a lord for Silver Snow then i would actually play it haha. Playing Black Eagles then losing the 2 hardest hitting units is just bad haha
I would LOVE to have Rhea as the MC for Silver Snow; as much as I like Seteth, neither he nor Byleth can carry a story the way Claude or Dimitri can.
As greedy as it sounds, I wish Nintendo and Intelligent Systems would make a Deluxe Edition of Fire Emblem so they can fix Silver Snow, flesh out the problems in the other Routes, and maybe do a little bit more with the Ashen Wolves (that last one may be a bit of a REAAACH, but like I said: I'm greedy).
Also: I considered marrying Rhea in my Verdant Wind Playthrough, then Constance came out.
You can't marry Rhea in Verdant Winds, only in Silver Snow.
Impossible in VW
Same. I would probably like CF if they decide to make an effort to fix the damn story. And I want Jeralt to be playable in some of the pre-timeskip maps too.
Silver Snow was disappointing bc I think it's a missed opportunity to have several thousand year old characters and barely talking about their own backstories/thoughts on the war, knowledge you would only get from them, instead of just using them as storytellers for details that could've just been in the monastery library or inferred from foreshadowing.
I think el can carry even more cause raging storm
One big issue Silver Snow has is that it's core concept would've worked really well if the game didn't have multiple routes. Because as it stands, it was doomed to be inferior when the other paths by comparison don't sacrifice anything content-wise.
Having Macuil, Indech, and Rhea as exclusive characters would be great.
Well, Rhea IS a dragon and we all know what happens to dragons that live for too long... They go insane!
*cough* Every single Fire Emblem game in a nutshell *cough*
except path of radiance and radiant dawn
But that's why Naga made the dragon stones, right?
byvcxrrdvbf Idunn was forcefully corrupted by Yahn so she doesn’t count
Corrin did too
@byvcxrrdvbf the earth dragons from FE1/FE11, FE3/FE12 and FE4 also went insane. Only manaketes are safe from being corrupted or go insane.
Honestly Seteth is my favourite character in all of Three Houses.
I think he has depth and presence to spare.
The problem is that SS isn't about him, he is tangentially affected but he isn't one of the main players in the story.
I think the idea was to make Byleth the main Lord but they needed someone ge could talk to so Seteth appeared out of nowhere to take that seat as "main Lord".
He was so unimportant, that in my run he was dead the entire time. (he died pre timeskip)
Seteth is a boring bland character that only cares about 3 things, Himself, Flayn and Rhea
@@Vezan6079 if only o could of killed him, but alas i play on casual because i dont like my units being able to be killed.
@@furyousd5690 lmao you have not read any single of his support conv what so ever. That's like saying delgard is just fuck church unify fodlan. Or Dimitri is just haha killing go brrrr
"Seteth is weaker than the other lords." He is born to be a Wyvern lord, I don't know why you want more overkill
I sent my seteth to edelgard's map alone and started skipping enemy and player turns. Only he remained.
Absolutely insane, maybe its because he has Dio's voice actor in Japanese dub... Yes that might be why.
Seteth is also way, WAY better in Hunting by Daybreak than Dimitri as a Wyvern Lord. He'll probably get swift strikes during the map (assuming you didn't farm him up to A spear pre-timeskip like I did) and Flying Mount is way better than being land locked since you can fly up on walls to limit the melee attacker bum rush.
All so Seteth (for me at least) was very bulk he had health in the 60 and on the final chapter he took like 10 damage from the church soldier. (This was on hard by the way)
They did somehow go more overkill. He’s one of only 3 characters that learns the broken swift strikes combat art(other 2 are Ferdinand and Sylvain)and he starts extremely strong
he is literally.a saint. the goddess' son.
As someone who loves three houses, I would definitely play through your version of Silver Snow in a heartbeat, and I’d love to see your takes on fixing the other routes. I would’ve really liked to see Edelgard & Byleth face off against TWSITD, and a different final boss for Claude’s route would be neat (though Nemesis was still cool).
I would be down for a fixed Silver Snow. I really like how you made Rhea feel very ashamed but soon change in order to redeem herself and take back Fodlan. Great job man
My friend played this version and he framed the narrative as helping Ferdinand lead a rebellion against Edelgard to overthrow her. I quite liked this idea as Ferdinand's was always trying to challenge Edelgard for the position of Emperor. I think it would have been really cool if after the timeskip, Ferdinand gets promoted to a Lord rank (with increased stat boosts) and becomes the central lord of that route.
I don't know of this was ever done in older games, but the idea of Three Houses taking a supporting character with established motivation and then promoting him to main character sounds really cool. And you could still have Rhea be a really important character too. It's just that now Ferdinand can become the central political character the Avatar and Rhea rally around. And because we lost Hubert and Edelgard, Ferdinand and Rhea could replace both of them.
We could get some awesome exploration of both Ferdinand and Rhea this way, with Rhea focusing on the introspective and lore aspects of the route while Ferdinand takes care of the main plot of defeating the Empire. And this might conflict with your video a bit, but I think fighting Edelgard should be the main story. Because the big emotional hook of this path is having to fight against your prized student.
Everyone who played Black Eagles loves Edelgard because they explored her character so well in the first half of the game. No one wanted to kill her even if they sided against her. My friend for instance was emotionally devastated after the plot twist, he actually stopped playing for a bit, he was that torn up. This should be the focus of the plot post-timeskip because it's the only branch in the entire game that can explore such a question: What do you do when you have to fight someone you care about?
Maybe Rhea could have more paralogues than normal, kinda like an entire side story, relating to her getting rid of the Slithering guys
I love that Ferdinand idea!! and also his father was stripped off from the position of being the prime minister and his house was pretty much "disgraced" it gives him more motive. Which I wondered about when playing crimson flower because if I was Ferdinand I would've fought against her and not with her for what she did to my family
I like that Ferdinand headcannon, as well but I don't think it fits him. Sure he's Edelgard's Lancer archetype who butts heads with her but he is nice, respectful and supportive towards her. If he was more like Felix (towards Dimitri), then that would make sense. You would also need to explain why he is standing against her, now, whereas in all other timelines, he is fighting alongside the empire.
Personally, I don't like Ferdinand or at least he is the most forgettable of the Black Eagles class and his war design does not suit him, at all. He is very "generic", for lack of a better word. I welcome chances to improve him, though.
I like Ferdie as a lord but I also like Yuri as a Lord
I think the issue with that from a game balance point of view is that for that to work you need to keep ferdie alive before timeskip. However, if you are picking crimson flower over silver snow, this isn't actually important at all, so it just creates an unneccesary restriction on certain players. I do think it would be cool to have ferdinand be the one to try and overthrow edelgard, but the branching paths mean it's difficult to have both routes exist without forcing players into potentially useless objectives
Make Rhea an Archbishop/Saint class: with Aura, Abraxas, and Purge.
It would be interesting if you could also have her transform into her dragon form that might just be me though
@@soundwave1479 No I agree too playable monsters sound awesome
@@CritXB I can picture Ashe (Yes. I'm an idiot) or Raphael or Petra becoming a demonic beast if they ever touch Heroes Relics. Their Crit Hit Quotes could still work, except more echoey like Manaketes such as Corrin and Tiki and more malfested
I wish they made a special class like that for her like how Edelgard got Armored Lord, Dimitri got High Lord, and Claude got Barabossa (am i spelling that right). Plus, it would've been cool if there was one Manakete in the game. I personally think Rhea could've been a dragon that can only control her powers for a bit with a dragonstone and only goes into a full-on boss mode when she's in a draconic rage :'//
@Noah Avshalom Canonically, Rhea can instruct you in Swords, Reason, Faith, and Brawling.
The Silver Snow route in game feels like a fanfiction: "You're so smart and strong and hot *insert your name here*, would you marry my daughter?"
I know that Byleth is meant to be a silent protagonist (self-insert) but the lack of a lord to ground the story makes this more obvious
Silver Snow is the only route who's ending properly explains Byleth's birth. You get see the crest stone in Byleth's heart at the end of Crimson Flower, and Rhea briefly covers the topic in Verdant Wind, but here you get her full presentation about how she created vessels to put the stone in to, how their parents coming together created the perfect host, and what happened to Byleth's mom. Even though it isn't too hard for the player to put it together themselves, this is the route exclusive lore dump it gives you.
You seem to reference throughout the video that Silver Snow a 'knockoff Verdant Wind'. In actuality, Silver Snow was the first route the developers worked on, and afterwards it became the base structure for Verdant Wind and Azure Moon. This also explains why Crimson Flower has less content, as they weren't able to use Silver Snow a template.
Silver Snow feels lackluster because Azure Moon and Verdant Wind basically have the exact same plot but with more characterization. Yes they could have gone back and gave it more features to stand out, but they had to make content cuts as is, so I doubt we would have seen it.
TLDR Three houses is Neopolotin, and Silver Snow is the vanilla.
Basically.
I'm pretty sure that Rhea was planned to be playable all along, but due to development constraints she was cut. There's evidence in-game and from early leaks (which got almost everything else right, including the time skip long before we knew about the time skip) that she was supposed to be playable.
The easiest way to fix these routes is to make Rhea playable in Silver Snow, replace Gronder on Silver Snow rather than skip that month, and swap final levels between Silver Snow and Verdant Wind.
All of the character development and everything can still be present, including Rhea still continuing to try and bring back Sothis through Byleth until Rhea has her own revelations just like the video suggests.
As fun as it would be to go ALL IN on replacing stuff, not all of it is necessary. Just making Rhea the Lord of the route and swapping the VW/SS final bosses would be enough.
@@JaidynReiman replacing SS and VW final maps make so much sense. Seiros gets to fight Nemesis, and Claude gets to fight The Immaculate One after going on about finding out the truth about it all the time.
Give Rhea more supports too. That'll help
@@JaidynReiman Also Rhea's paralogue should've been Claude's saint Macuil paralogue.
I would love this route.
Ok, Ill admit, I like Rhea. I like how mysterious she is and also the character herself. That we never got to see how this character would act as Lord is a Shame, She is literally made for this.
It also makes sense with the weapons of all the lords (and Byleth).
Byleth: Sword
Edelgard: Axe
Dimitri: Lance
Claude: Bow
Seteth: Another axe I guess and he flies too and can do some lance stuff.
Rhea: Magic & brawling (and a sword, okay)
@@DefinitivNichtSascha Ein schönes Detail, auf das ich so gar nicht gekommen bin.
Dude, this is mind blowing for all the right reasons, I too agree that Nemesis should’ve been the final boss for Silver Snow and Rhea a unique playable character, would’ve made the route more favorable.
Fire Emblem: Three Maps
Because they keep reusing, the SAME GATDAM MAPS
I have covered every single map in 3H with so much blood and body parts so many times for over 300 hours and I totally agree. Cindered Shadows was really good and added some new victory conditions that I was surprised by. Almost every single map in the main game is "Rout all Enemies", and there are few secrets. FE6 gets a lot of flak, but it did the true/secret ending pretty well.
If they really wanted to make an unfinished 4th route, they should’ve put more into it and kept it as DLC. That way the 3 first routes would be ABSOLUTELY polished, and the last one as well. And it would feel normal because most people expected 3 routes from a game called *Three Houses.*
You're so right.
Agree. BL and VW work well but both of the Black Eagles route are pretty not good.
How to make a routesplit:two fine routes, a copypasta with a dumb final boss and an unfinished thing.
To be fair, the Japanese and Chinese titles allude to the four seasons and reference the routes (wind, flower, snow, and moon).
Eevee Emblem
Crimson flowers only problem was it being too short.
Otherwise it’s fun gameplay and passion filled story with Edelgard is great 👍
I like Dimitri and Claude’s routes as well.
I never knew how much I wanted Rhea to be a recruitable unit until now. This would have been amazing for Silver Snow.
'When I heard there was a SECRET Church route'
No. Crimson Flower is the 'secret' route. The default; if you miss the trigger; is Silver Snow. You actually need to go out of your way and do a couple of things to get Crimson Flower.
Seteth isn't a Lord either. Although his stats really aren't far off the main 4.
I'm pretty sure that was a joke, because most people prefer Crimson Flower.
I got some sweet stat gains for Seteth, but even then the only lord he didn’t outmatch was Dimitri in all of the routes.
What about a SS where the Black Eagles side with Edelgard instead of Byleth? Maybe have some sort of retention mechanic based on whether Byleth or Edelgard's support with them is higher. I think it could be very interesting - in a worst case scenario, you'd be down a full eight units, and have to readjust with just the knights of serios. By splitting the eagles, it would add some emphasis that this is the church route by giving the church units an opportunity to be used instead of the eagles.
Yeah and probably have it set up to where you can choose to recruit them when you encounter them again in combat.
You can probably use the timeskip ravine scene as an excuse for them to rally behind their homeland and edelgard with Byleth gone. To then be swayed once they reunite as foes.
Well, I believe that was supposed to happen if a student fell in battle. I tgink Edgegard says something to that effect, but it's never seen since the students are considered dead, rather than unrecuited. Real missed oppurnty though.
I agree just as much as I love Silver Snow despite its flaws I mean I like all 4 routes despite their flaws SS SHOULD balance the recruitment system concerning the Black Eagle Students other than our Goth Dude Hubert whether they join Edelgard or Byleth depends on the Support they have with one or the other like if the non-Hubert Black Eagle Students have a higher support with Byleth compared to Edelgard they're convinced their best idea in the War would be to side with Byleth as if they were recruited outside of their house in Azure Moon and Verdant Wind while if the opposite the Black Eagles other than Hubert have a higher support rank with Edelgard they'll side with her instead of Byleth just like when not recruited in Azure Moon and Verdant Wind.
All though it could make the game a lot hard compare to other route
@@jackpurches3558 Well, that makes sense since this route was considered a "Hard Mode" anyway by the delvopers. The lack of a Lord and the minus one deployment slot is a way to make the game harder, so instead of that, having this mechanic helps keep the challenge mode the original SS had.
Fun fact, Edelgard’s route was intended to be the secret route, not the church’s. I don’t get why they assumed that most people who picked Black Eagles would slide against Edelgard
Because that's the point of Fire Emblem Three Houses. Just look at the theme song.
I always say "Fire Emblem Three Houses is Edelgard's story. And it's a tragic story." I think the fact that Silver Snow was the first route to be made shows that the game was originally intended to be about Edelgard and the Professor bonding, then fighting and killing each other during the war.
Edelgard is the main reason why I chose BE first, so I don't get it either.
Well originally, according to the developers, it was supposed to muuuuuch harder to get the option to side with Edelgard. Her reveal as the Flame Emperor and her leaving Byleth to fight against you is supposed to be a shock to the player
@@lordmango6060 Ngl, they weren't subtle. I played blindly and started with Azure but she and Hubert were dropping hints left and right even there.
@@illusionofquality979the hints were only obvious on Dimitri’s route because of the part where she dropped her dagger. On her route, they’re extremely subtle and unnoticeable during the first time round. She comes off as this sweet innocent good girl only to reveal herself as The Flame Emperor later on.
One correction, in dev interviews it was confirmed, that Silver Snow was the original route, Verdant Wind is the Copy.
Sources ?
@@oa-san53 serenesforest.net/2020/03/24/three-houses-nintendo-dream-interview-reveals-first-route-claudes-real-name/
It is possible that both were worked at the same time and shared ideas even if SS is the first one VW ended up a lot more polished, and just because is the original it doesn't remove the argument that 4 routes were released at the same time and VW is everything SS wanted to but better, even more involvement from the church as you can't have Cyril and Catherine until just before the timeskip. Still I love the final battle of SS a bit more.
It doesnt really change the fact that silver snow sucks in comparison
@@catelyntully9494 I mean we get the sick final boss fight song
Silver snow
+ :
- Find quickly Rhea
- Can S support Rhea
- Main route
- Fight Against The Least Amount of Former Students
- Every students will satisfy after TWSITD are defeated.
- :
- April mouth absent
- Very difficult without Lord
- Reunion at Dawn and Following the Dream hard map.
- Cannot get Felix sword and Annette Crusher and her battalions.
Other route
+ :
- Have lord character
- :
- Face enemy students
I really hate fight enemy students so that why I choose Silver Snow many times. (4th, 6th, 8th, 9th and 10th the last.)
If you are the kind of player that does not find satisfaction in killing your former monastery students, then the Silver Snow route is perfect. Out of all four routes, the Monastery Route gives players the opportunity to avoid wallowing in despair after killing former friends, colleagues, and students in battle. Since most of the church faculty and Black Eagles students will remain by Byleth’s side after Edelgard’s betrayal, this leaves only a handful of former students to fight against and most can be actually recruited if defeated by Byleth in battle.
why don't you just recruit every student if you have new game + than that should be a piece of cake
Some interesting ideas here. Honestly didn’t think Silver Snow was that bad, although I did play it first, without having blamed Golden Deer. Also the plan to take Fort Merceus seemed heavily implied that Seteth came up with the plan, but is giving you the credit for it. He’s a follower by nature, and always strives to be the perfect lieutenant, content to let you take the glory.
What does bother me though are things like Cyril - you can’t recruit him until route split in Black Eagles. If you go with Church he is the normal very under leveled villager. If you go against the Church he is a powerful Wyvern Rider enemy. A prime missed opportunity for one of the Church-affiliated characters to shine.
As for last chapter, I agree it would make more sense for Silver Snow to be fighting Nemesis, and Claude to fight Rhea, given where each is coming from. Just switching the final chapters would help greatly with this.
Holy shit, your version sounds so good I’m actually disappointed we didn’t get something like this, great job!
YES, Rhea really has a lot of potential as a character and has a deep conection in the story, I argue she and Edelgard are the 2 most influential characters, but Rhea is abscent most of the game in HER route, and the fact that Black Eagles students do take a lot of agency also afects it but she is even programed in the game she should've been playable in her route.
Nemesis would have make sense as the final boss for Silver Snow
This is officially canon for me
I also see the Silver Snow as the Canon Ending since Rhea's words makes senses to me
"secret church route"
he does realize that crimson flower is the secret path, right?
Is it even called a secret if the game literally tells you "Your choice will impact the story!"
I thought he was being sarcastic since everyone preferred the Crimson Flower route over Rhea's thighs.
Mario2980 but if you don’t meet the conditions, it does not even give you the message “this choice will impact the story” - it forces you into silver snow unless you have the Edelgard requirements.
He was being sarcastic because nobody likes Silver Snow.
None of the path's are sectret.
Rhea's S Support would make even more sense in your rewrite than in the canon route. Not only is she alive, she goes thru so much shit and actually develops as a character, so her S Support with her feelings being changed for Byleth makes sense and goes the same way as the other lords.
Tbh, I would've also given her and Byleth an A+ Support post-timeskip. Like, maybe have it so that if you manage to unlock her A-support pre-timeskip as intended, you would still see it as simply an "A" on the support list for the remainder of part 1, but then you get to part 2 and ta-da! There's now an A+ support with Rhea. I even wrote an idea of how it'd go; I'd post it here, but it's basically a wall of text xD
But yeah, if we had seen her and Byleth interacting post-timeskip the same way he got to bond with the three lords on their routes, I reckon Rhea's S-support would've been more well-received. I mean, if you look at it, the S-support is actually great, because it shows progression for Rhea as a character and has a good thematic about acceptance and moving towards the future. Thing is, since the developers omitted her form like 80% of part 2, they also kinda omitted the development toward it; I think it's still there, but it happens off-screen (basically, it's told rather than shown). Which in turn also ended up not really clearing any of the misconceptions people got about the pairing unfortunately.
I honestly think both BL and GD have the same problem *but in different scale*. Silver snow doesn't differentiate itself enough to be worth calling it an entirely new route but this problem can be felt in the first few chapters of BL and GD too, I'd love to see what you'd do with those routes since you did such a good job in this vid (plus I need to see the other ideas you had for a Claude villain)
I feel the same way about BL and GD. All the non-Crimson Flower routes are extremely similar in gameplay, but Silver Snow just so happens to be the least original of them.
Also I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I’ll be starting a How to Fix Verdant Wind soon
I love your content. The edit on this one was perfect. I laughed a lot, and I think your ideas on SS route are logic and now I wanna play with Rhea more and more.
Rhea deserves better.
10:10 poor Pallardó. I lost my shit here. He only wanted gold.
I did crimson flower first as well and I felt the same way about being lost when it came to lore. I ladee found out the Thalas was Edelgards uncle, and was shocked even though it was said, but they just gloss over every important bit in crimson flower.
I may be greedy for saying this, but I would've liked a couple of chapters of Crimson Flower dedicated to Byleth and Edelgard fighting TWSITD, before going for their final battle with Rhea. Maybe after the siege on Arianrhod (I probably didn't spell it right), Lord Arundel orders an Agarthan missile to destroy the fort in an attempt to kill Byleth, not really caring if Edelgard and the rest of the Imperial Army become casualties, Lord Arundel in the next chapter confronts Edelgard on why Byleth is still alive, Edelgard infers that it was him who sent the missile, then Arundel admits he did want to kill Byleth, not just for killing Cornelia who was their mole in the Kingdom, but because the mindset of the Agarthans are: "Fuck the Fell Star and they deserve to die a gruesome death." Essentially turning TWSITD against the Empire. Then when the Black Eagle Strike Force go to Shambahla, Arundel removes his disguise and is revealed to be Thales. After his death, Byleth and Edelgard then head to the Tailtean Plains to meet Dimitri in battle. Like I said, I might be greedy for wanting something more out of Crimson Flower, but I still like it more than Silver Snow.
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Yes! It makes sense they'd rehearse Zahras on Byleth to execute it on Rhea. I approve of this.
Edit: Nevermind that... I APPROVE THIS ENTIRE CHANGE LOG!!! (If only it was a change log...)
This was a really good video! I have 235 hours in three houses (I've played all the routes) and silver snow was my least favorite for sure. It honestly felt pretty bland and there was so much more potential as you pointed out in the video. There were still elements I enjoyed don't get me wrong, however my biggest gripe with SS was that Rhea wasn't really explored all too much and that she wasn't a playable unit, I think that was a HUGE missed opportunity imo. Seteth is still a good character, he just felt very forced as a "lord". These changes I feel would have made the route so much more better and enjoyable. I really enjoyed the video and would definitely want to see more of whatever you put out. Keep up the good work man :)
the chills when he said nemesis could fight seiros tho I was always thinking that should have been her fight, for CF I thought it'd be cool if those who slither in the dark betrayed edelgard after killing rhea and so theres a couple more chapters potential there, for claude I'm not sure
Like, make VWs last few fights SSs, make SSs CFs, and give Claude a final fight with like, his dad or something. Just shofting around the endings make the routes make more sense.
I’m just laughing through the pain with this. Like damn the POTENTIAL in Silver Snow is insane but what we actually got is, like you said, a cheap rip-off of Verdant Wind
As far as Rhea's low point as a Lord, I feel this idea doesn't quite manage to tie into Rhea's greatest flaw in the game - her faith-inspired passivity. Fodlan's deterioration pre-war is largely facilitated by Rhea only doing the bare minimum actions required to keep the status quo, trusting that Sothis would eventually return and fix everything. This can actually be explored with this idea without much change. Instead of calmly telling Rhea that the Nabateans were meant to guard Fodlan in Sothis's absence, Sothis can just be her snarky gremlin self and scold Seiros for being a selfish girl and forsaking all the responsibility she took upon herself when becoming Archbishop. This could parallel Rodrigue's role in AM, snapping Seiros out of her flawed line of thinking and forcing her to rethink her life and acknowledge her own failings. With the added bonus of the therapy god who achieves this being the actual Progenitor God, as opposed to the divine revenant known as Byleth. This even opens up a possibility for a nice moment in the ending to contrast with the opening. After beating Nemesis again, this reinvigorated Seiros would not kneel with her mother's remains near a puddle of blood, but would instead stand tall amidst the people she's finally ready to lead.
Edit: Actually, there could be an even more direct frame-for-frame reversal. Instead of the Imperial troops in the light triumphantly brandishing their weapons and Seiros kneeling and muttering, we can have Seiros triumphantly raising her sword in the light as Nemesis's army crumbles to dust, and the knights kneeling as she loudly announces victory.
Your additions of Rhea/Seiros into the story were perfect. I'd have loved to play this version
However, I will also add that I think the potential improvement SS already exists. It's called The cindered shadows Ashen Wolves DLC. The point of this DLC was to show more background on the additional crests, saints, and Byleth history. And that fits perfectly into SS as a route. Why? Because in the DLC Rhea tells Aelfric that he cannot ever revive the dead, they are gone forever. But Rhea herself needs to learn this message in the main campaign. So this could have been the perfect theme of SS too as Rhea learns thru Aelfric that the dead cannot come back, we need to learn to let go. This is a huge step for Rhea to learn. And it would help her as a character too.
The tricky part is that it doesn't really connect to part 1 at all. So, I think SS should have been about the Ashen Wolves in part 1 instead of the Black Eagles. Simply add 4 more Ashen Wolves to make the full class of 8. And part 1 of Black Eagles is removed from SS perhaps and given only for CF. But that's just one option for the new SS part 1.
You could also add a menu option or an action performed during the original Garreg Mach Class introduction. When asked what class you want to teach, you could simply add "undecided" and then investigate the grounds to find the abyss entrance near your previously uninhabited room. Or finding the hole during the first month gives you the action of teaching them instead so Rhea can find a replacement teacher for whatever class you previously were teaching.
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There would def need to be some adjustments for Ashen Wolves to be the house of the new Silver Snow. Honestly it makes sense to have Ashen Wolves + other units join you from different houses too. Like all the units who have support with the Wolves (for example, Balthus can speak with Hilda and Lysithea, so maybe those 2 can join on this hypothetical new Ashen Wolves based SS path)
Another thing that would have been cool is that if you go silver snow, you're only guaranteed the church units. Byleth would need to have a B-rank support with their students for them to immediately join you. If you had a C-rank, you'd have to defeat them in battle with Byleth before recruiting them and if you didn't support them at all, you've got no choice but to kill them.
I see that there's some pretty common criticisms between the comments so I hope this addresses people's concerns (these are all just my opinion):
"Silver Snow isn't the secret route. Crimson Flower is the one you have to complete an objective to play"
Sure, but I know most people new to the game expected a route where you assist Edelgard. A Church route is "secret" because a new player would never anticipate it. That's what I meant in the video
"Byleth is the main lord of Silver Snow, not Seteth"
If you feel this way, then what I said about Seteth applies even more so to Byleth. I made fun of Seteth for being a "suburban dad" character, but Byleth rarely speaks at all. For a game that relies on a dramatic narrative, you shouldn't have someone like Byleth be the main focus.
"You rely too much on Rhea's character in Crimson Flower. She lost her mind in that route. She's actually very kind and gave away power in every other route."
I felt it was important to address that side of Rhea, because it's her lowest point. Rhea is normally a kind person, but she clearly has problems when people interfere with her plan to revive her mother. Rhea admits that she has regrets in her S-support with Byleth, and it seems that she may have lost her mind during her original fight against Nemesis (what kind of sane person rubs a bloody sword on their cheek like that?). I feel that something about being held captive in Enbarr may have improved her mindset. Imo, if you're making a route about Rhea, the player needs to be made aware of her flaws and Rhea needs to address those flaws in some manner in order to see true character development. Rhea would still show kindness in this new route (especially after meeting with her mother).
"Why didn't you write it so that Claude/Dimitri/Rhea/Edelgard team up to fight a common enemy?"
This is known as a "Golden Route" and while it's interesting to theorize about, I personally wouldn't want to see it actually implemented. It would make every other route feel worse, and it's also hard to write a dramatic story if everyone just becomes friends in the end.
Ultimately, I'm very new to this RUclips thing, so I appreciate every bit of positive criticism I get. I'm also amazed by how many people genuinely enjoyed the video. Even though I won't respond to every comment, I have been reading them all up until this point
i feel like verdant winds could have delved more deeply into Claude's backstory as a half almyran imo. Maybe They could have somehow implemented that into the gameplay.
Edit: nvm you already made the video and put Claude's lineage as part of the final boss.
Anyways nice videos! i would love to see a how to fix crimson flower.
The Church route is not an secret route, because you can miss the requirements for CF easily and you can choose for Rhea prior to the time-skip. Silver Snow is the first route, so it's the default and CF is the secret one.
Agreed on Byleth to some extent.
Oh please, stop infantilizing her. That sword is her mother, you would probably do the same if your Mom was turned into one. Also what caused the Dilemma in CF was Byleth's Betrayal and the loss of her Brethren and nothing else. Also what kind of person thinks solidary confinement in a dungeon and being left malnourished for 5 years?
agreed about the last part for that we have CS and that's enough.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 That's... actually pretty concerning. If you would rub the bloody bones of your dead mom on your cheek after BRUTALLY murdering the person who killed her, I think that you should seek help.
@@guydee3821 Well she missed her and I think most humans would have done the same. She does need Therapy though.
Personally I'd love to see a remake of 3H with the existing routes improved - particularly Silver Snow and Crimson Flower, and Silver Snow in pretty much exactly the way you described, and then a masterfully written golden route that is _only_ accessible after completing all the other routes and is based on the concept of Byleth and Sothis rewinding time to the beginning of White Clouds to try and fix things, preferably countless attempts down the line, and possibly with its own extremely unhappy ending (like everyone unites, but it's too late and they almost get completely wiped out by TWSITD) that then leads into another New Game+ where it is not just Byleth and Sothis who go back but also someone else such as Edelgard or Rhea and then and only then do you get your golden route happy ending. That would be my Three Houses remake.
People keep saying Seteth is the Lord in Silver Snow, but I don't think that's true. The real lord in silver snow is Byleth. he/she is the one leading the church in Rhea's absence. And in the context of silver snow, Byleth becomes the ruler of Fodlan since the Empire, Kingdom, and alliance are all left with a power vacuum that only the archbishop can fill. Heck, Rhea practically names Byleth archbishop before the time skip.
Thats an even bigger problem since byleth, largely by their nature of being a player insert, is the worst character in the game.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I wouldn't go that far. Byleth is a deadpan character much like Shamir and Dedue. And they're great characters. And depending on the support or paralogue Byleth can be more expressive than either of them. I like all the characters in the game, but if I had to pick a "worst character" it would probably be Anna since she doesn't really add anything, has no supports, and is only there as a franchise cameo.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 they are not supposed to be a character that is your mistake they are an avatar an avatar is it that hard to put yourself on his shoes? if so why?
Seteth is more like a Jagen in this route
@@fakebunny1272 that's the issue, their natute of being an avatar makes them a boring character (as they arent one) so trying to focus the narrative around them makes it less engaging as opposed to the other routes wich wisely chose to center their stories around other character's journies. Having a player avatar works for games like dark souls, where the focus of the narrative is on the world around the avatar, or undertale, where the many many choices you make allow you to insert yourself into the character you play, but for something like three houses where there is a heavy focus on character a player avatar makes the story less engaging due to how few points there are where your decisions actually effect where the story goes.
You also seem to be implying that there is something wrong with me for not being able to insert myself into the avatar. I appologise if this was not your intent, but if it was then i would suggest not taking that approach in future.
I LOVE your version of Silver snow. That sounds like an incredible fourth route!
dunno if I've commented this before but seteth joining your army without the level to use his own damn lance is funny af
I think the issue isn't so much that Silver Snow doesn't have a Lord, or that the "Lord" is Seteth, because it does have a non-Seteth lord: the problem is that it's Byleth, the objectively worse choice for a Lord in 3H. I know we all like to give Corrin shit - and fairly well-deserved at that, don't get me wrong - but Byleth is an even worse choice for a focal Lord than them because of the decision to make them an effectively silent protagonist, with them only being allowed dialogue options that are not allowed to meaningfully impact the story's direction or flow.
I'd actually argue that Seteth, contrary to what you'd argue, isn't a bad character and isn't lacking in potential to make for a decent lead character. He's got a lot going for him, like how he strongly questions Rhea's many decisions and believes their society is backwards in many ways, yet at the same time knows much about her past and actions, and is probably the person she's closest to (outside of Insert Nameleth-kun) If anything, I feel, Silver Snow (and the time skip in general) neuters Seteth - because Rhea is absent and he's forced to be one of the primary voices of concern in trying to find her, he's not allowed to really explore his more contrary opinions about Rhea's decisions in shaping Fodlan like he could.
Horse shit, Corrin actually has a personality and character development. They are an actually lord. The criticism towards Corrin is bullshit
I think another cool thing to add to a new Silver Snow, is to have the Church of Seiros (Hanneman, Cyril, etc) (Excluding Gilbert) as your army in the timeskip. The Black Eagles will join Edelgard unless Byleth has a support of at least C with each of them. This way you have a different default army for every route.
lmao EVIL DISEASE, and also I would defintely play your ver. of SS man it would definitely fix the route. And yeah i also have to say i also to just played SS to get Funeral of Flowers its probably my fav tracks along side God-Shattering Star.
The church route could have been a chance to highlight some of the similarities between Edelgard and Nemesis as well as give Rhea a chance to basically do the War of Heroes over again to make up for the mistakes of her past.
You could start the route the same with Byleth, their students, and the Knights of Seiros meeting up at the monastery. The Knights reveal that they have spent the past five years largely staying out of the conflict and searching for Rhea and they beseech Byleth to do the same. The former students aren't very happy that they won't be fighting the Empire, but ultimately they go along with their professor. Randolph's army still has to be repelled from Garreg Mach and the Church still clashes with the Empire, but the aim is not to liberate conquered territories or anything like that. Rather, the objective is determining Rhea's location and discovering just how deeply entangled TWSITD and the Empire have become.
By the time Grondor rolls around, both the Kingdom and Alliance armies are asking the Church for help in the coming battle. At the same time, the Knights learn that Rhea is being held in a TWSITD-controlled facility. The Church refuses to help either side and instead goes to rescue Rhea. Once Rhea is free, she is mortified to learn that her life was given higher priority than the people of Fodlan. Rhea has come to learn the part her lies have played in leading up to the war and has decided it is time for her to atone. She once again leads the people of Fodlan into battle, this time not to satisfy her own revenge, but to fulfill her duty to the people she has failed. She dons the armor of Seiros, Seteth and Flayn reveal their true identities, and perhaps at some point Macuil and Indech are persuaded to join the cause. Together, they create a united front against the Empire, welcoming true believers of the faith into their ranks as well as what remains of the Kingdom and Alliance army.
The new Church army approaches Enbarr through the old Kingdom territory rather than across Myrddin and through Grondor like the other routes, giving the opportunity for some new maps or at least the chance to reuse some different ones. Everything from Fort Merceus onwards proceeds roughly the same. Enbarr is taken and Edelgard is defeated, but not before TWSITD are able to escape. The Church gets Hubert's letter and it's pretty much the current VW ending from there. Perhaps Macuil tanks the nukes at Shambhala instead of Rhea so that she's still at full strength for the Nemesis fight.
Once Nemesis is defeated and the true history of Fodlan is at last revealed, the Nabateans depart for a distant land, leaving Fodlan in the hands of Byleth and the humans. After all, if Sothis can entrust her power to a (mostly) human like Byleth, then perhaps it is also time for Rhea to at last leave Fodlan's destiny in the hands of its people.
Fun fact, on my first silver snow playthrough, setheth died during chapter 12. Meaning i couldn't use him at all, he still talked during all of the maps and appeared in the cutscenes. And then i look at what happened about all of my characters, then i learn that actually setheth died in 1185, from his wounds he got from 1181. Even if fodlan's calendar is different, setheth died from wounds that are around at least 1 year old.
I think SS should have been, A: a unified path with the Kingdom, Alliance, and Empire deserters working together or B: a full-blown Church route like you said, and I think the Black Eagle students will only join you if they have a C or B support with Byleth, but you will also have the option to spare them.
Damn this was a great ass video good jokes,great ideas that are totally possible considering the Assets the game already has. That’s a subscribe in my book
Also this would be a great opportunity to give Some more supports for Rhea with the other instead people just fucking about her the whole damn game
I never played Sliver Snow, but I'm gonna pretend this is what went down. Sounds a lot better than what actually happens
I would play your version of silver snow in a heartbeat.
I think for azure moon the best way to fix chapter 14, you’d instead be unable to find (and unable to deploy) Dimitri before the battle, and then bam, he’s actually flanking on the right side of the map on like turn 3. It fits his “strategy” better, to one man army while everyone else defends, and it fits his character at the time for him to not say his idea.
Just finding your content now, really interesting thoughts! One problem you didn't address is how the first half of the route is spent developing the black eagles. If Silver Snow ended up being DLC (like other commenters suggested), Byleth could be presented the "I'd rather join the knights" option in chapter 1 and Jeritza takes over the Black Eagles as professor. You'd have to rework chapter 1, but literally every other pre-timeskip level could play the same. Your initial character pool is Gilbert, Jeralt, Seteth, Catherine, Shamir, Alois, Cyril and Jeritza (or Rhea) to make it 8.
Reunion at Dawn should have been a rescue Rhea mission so she can join after it, say she’s being transported from the empire to meet Arundel - she then joins but like Dimitri she is broken, she is devastated and full of rage and hate and like in other routes Byleth helps them heal, Byleth like in other routes is the warm sun, they melt away the ice encasing Rhea’s heart
I want to correct you here and say the Church route (Silver Snow) is the real Black Eagles route while Crimson Flower is the secret one. The reason I say this is because CF requires a few things that you may not know about to even unlock the choice to play it.
This was my first route and I loved many sections, Edelgard is great before the betrayal. And Petra, Dorothea, Seteh, Caspar, Bernadetta are all fun characters. Even Ferdinand grows on you because of his hatred toward Edelgard. You spot on with the lack of playable Rhea, the ending that came out nowhere and the lack of lord.
I really liked you’re rewrite of silver snow I would love to play you’re version of silver snow it makes way more sense and makes the route less of a hell hole
I think Rhea could still be an appropriate boss. Instead of using her evil disease as a random excuse, they could make her grief over losing Sothis be the cause.
During Chapter 1, when you visit the Holy Tomb, we know that Rhea was expecting Sothis to reappear. In the Black Eagles route, this would be the perfect moment for Rhea to lose control of her emotions; perhaps she lashes out at the professor in frustration, only regaining control of herself when the Flame Emperor arrives, providing an immediate threat. This then makes the decision of whether or not to side with Edelgard more interesting; both Edelgard and Rhea are clearly flawed, but acting for sympathetic reasons.
Chapter 2 can continue mostly as normal, but this time when the player rescues Rhea from Enbarr, she barely responds. 5 years of imprisonment and torture at the hands of the Empire have left her broken, mentally and physically. Recuperating at the monastery, she doesn't join the player in Shambala. Though Thales is defeated, he launches spears of light at Garreg Mach. Though Sothis' protection keeps the monastery itself safe, nearby areas are obliterated.
When the player returns to the monastery, Rhea finally snaps. She blames the player for the destruction, her deprived mental state making her believe the professor simply allowed this to happen. She claims the professor doesn't care about her, thinking they simply let her rot away in Enbarr for five years, and refusing to hear the truth. Most importantly, she blames the professor for preventing the return of Sothis. Following this, Rhea transforms into the Immaculate One and vows to rip the crest stone out of Byleth's heart and begin anew. At this point, Seteth acknowledges her madness and regretfully admits that she must be defeated, or Fodlan will be in danger. The following battle is immensely tragic; not simply because you're fighting Rhea, but because you can understand her pain.
Also Seteth seriously deserves a personal class. He's LITERALLY Saint Cichol, you can't get much more special than that.
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Rhea deserves better, frankly it would have really helped with the themes of the story if the divide of the route meant we would know Rhea at her best or her worst.
Still salty there is no support between the two babies units of the church (Flayn and Cyril).
Oh wow, making Nemesis as the final boss of Silver Snow makes so much sense that it is crazy it isn't already that way.
"adult sothis" //nagi appears//
well done lmao, when i tell u i lost it at that part...
9:47 “Edelgard feels she can still win this fight. But decides to retreat out of respect for her teacher. And his body. “ X’D
I would've liked it if when Rhea promotes she announced to the world who she is so that her character is growing by throwing away her facade and essentially saying "Im back bitches"
Honestly, I’d play this Silver Snow. Also, after beating Silver Snow, you could get the Funeral of Flowers music, since there’s really no place for it in the game.
ok this is absolutely perfect here's my sub
now brb imma binge the rest of your vids
10:56 while she does want to get her mother back, I feel using her crimson flower self as proof she's willing to sacrifice everything is a really bad example since that's her approaching her worst. In every other route Rhea willingly sacrifices herself to allow the monastery students and staff time to escape to safety, hence her saying everyone young and old is in byleth's hands.
But otherwise I would have really loved to see silver snow having so much more focus on Rhea and I did enjoy listening to this video and your ideas.
what sort of argument is that people are not multiple personality were they have a worst version of themselves its the same rhea just because you never found out how bad she can be in other routes doesn't mean she isn't
Please don't put words into my mouth and assume that I haven't seen how bad she gets in crimson flower.
Yes she's the same person but the big difference is that the situation in every route outside of crimson flower is different to the lead up where we see her fall apart in crimson flower. And that's why she acts so differently.
@@MikulOnIce85 but of course people act less evil when they have the situation under control which is precisely why its worthless to prove how good someone is, its only when they are desperate that you can judge their values that is the closest to their real selves
Actually, I think that works all the better if she's actually called out for it being a shitty thing to do. After all the heartache and failure she endured with losing Garreg Mach to the Empire it'd make sense that she might feel desperate enough to use people as pawns to avoid another failure. It gives her a place to grow from.
Your ideas are so good that I want to write or read a 12+ chapter fanfic using it as a base for it.
Crimson flower is actually the one who’s the secret route with silver snow being the actual normal route (since you need many requirement to even unlock CF, while SS is always possible if you choose Edelgard)
I think it would've been nice to see Seteth and Flayn in their dragon forms at some point in 3h
7:47 if I remember correctly in her exposition speech in verdant wind Rhea mentions that after the red canyon tragedy she “took on the name Seiros” or something along those lines, which is how we know Seiros was a fake name.
Secret Church Route? I accidentally did that one over Edelgards. Proud to say I did Dimitris route
They fixed the Church route by getting rid of it all together in Three Hopes XD
Those changes you made, were amazing! And O totally agree that the fire thing at the monastery is definitely a Claude thing and I actually didn’t know about it until I got Verdant Wind because in Azure Moon, I didn’t get the Chirch soldier to get to the location with him dying. 😂😂😂
I assumed you had to fight Nemesis and when Rhea started transforming, I was definitely pissed. Nothing but missed opportunities.
Literally if silver snow played out like this this would literally be the best route. Great thinking!
And subscribed. Really hoping to see videos on those topics you mentioned if enough people ask
“Is there anyone else she can fight?”
I saw Nemesis coming and I loved it lol
To address your confusion regarding Rhea's madness: contrary to popular belief, all fire emblem games do in fact occur in the same timeline. Therefore, dragons that don't seal their power into dragonstones and become manaketes go insane due to the planet being harmful to dragons. This is established all the way back in fe2 with Mila and Duma. There are a number of ways to explain why her and the other nabataeans may be unaware of this fact, but since they clearly originated in the Nabata desert before coming to Fodlan, which was long after the Scouring, it seems realistic that the knowledge may just be lost to time. It may even be that Sothis came to Fodlan to escape the Scouring, or that she was one of the divine dragons sent by Ashunera to colonize the new continents after radiant dawn. I'd like to see an hour long video where you discuss the timeline in full. Great stuff man.
Personally I’d start the route sooner. Have Byleth refuse the teaching position. As Rhea does not want him to leave, instead enlists into the knights. Still have Edelgard be important to the route. Also make recruiting students be both more important and explained as field experience for them.
I feel like seteth struggles as a important character cause both his motivations are fairly grounded and normal(keep flayn safe mainly) and he does not have any "character flaw" that can be used for development in the narrative,which ends up with the 2 main characters in the route being someone who is silent as fuck(byleth) and someone who can't go through a character arc/or have any grand ambition/dream because he's just not that type of person(seteth).
“But that plan doesn’t really vibe with Dimitri’s thought process” yeah that sums up the first half of part 2 AM
Something that could happen with Rhea in the battlefield is turning into the Imaculate One, she would have limited time to stay in that form, like 3 turns or 4
Love a lot of your ideas here. I played the game in the order : AM-> VW -> CF -> SS and by the time I got to silver snow I was so disappointed with how unfinished it felt. (I know it was the original route and there were definitely things I would have put in the other routes as well) I think the main fault of this game is that the devs spread themselves too thin. Excited to see more of hat you have to offer the FE community in the future.
I completely agree on these points on Silver Snow. A while back I was also thinking of possible story differences to better differentiate SS and Verdant Wind. I will admit, these story changes mostly changed the story past the Great Bridge of Myrddin. Here was what I had thought up:
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Silver Snow:
The first main difference that I had thought up for Silver Snow would be with the assault of Fort Merceus. In this idea, the only person who conducts a sneak attack on Fort Merceus is Claude. A sneak attack really isn't something the Church is known to do (aside from in Crimson flower, where Flayn takes part on an ambush on the assault of Gareg Mach). I feel the Church would be far more likely perform a siege of the fort (probably nothing as direct as Dmitri did, storming through the center and all). However, this key change in the story is what will diverge SS and VW in their paths. As the Church conducts a more direct assault that can be seen from a mile away, TWSITD are able to easily learn of the Church's route of action. As such, they have ample time to prepare their javelin of light (or whatever the technical term for it was). Fort Merceus is destroyed, the assault on Enbarr goes the same, Edelgard is defeated, and Hubert learns of TWISTD, and the assault of Shambalah goes the same. As seen in the normal route, the self-destruction of Shambalah weakens Rhea, but instead of making her go sicko mode, Nemesis reawakens and takes the opportunity to hunt Rhea down. Hearing of Nemesis' revival, Rhea can't help but spill the truth similarly to how she did in VW, and her trauma from the past resurfaces. She urges Byleth that they must defeat Nemesis to fix the mistakes of the past and defeat the dark past that looms over Fodlan. This story could work with Rhea being a unit herself, or finding herself too weak to fight in the final battle.
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Verdant Wind:
Before anything else, I would like to say that in Verdant Wind, Claude achieve's his goals, tearing down the borders and prejudices between Fodlan and the outside world, by the time they attack Merceus, with the whole little stunt between him and the Almyrans. This event will stay, however the story must challenge Claude's ideals, that Fodlan can coexist with their neighbors. I will get back to this point, later in this part. Alright, now onto the story changes. First, because this should've already been in the base game, when you meet with Judith, instead of just joining you in the monastery, she joins your team as this route's version of Gilbert/Jeritza. The next change goes to fort Merceus, where Claude's sneak attack on Merceus had taken TWISTD by surprise, leading to them being unable to prepare a Javelin of light in time to strike the fort. As a result, Hubert never learns of Shambalah, and upon defeating Edelgard, it seems everything has come to an end. However, seeing all of his carefully laid out plans fail, Thales grows impatient and attempts to strike once more. Tales takes notice of the returning Almyran army led by the King of Almyra itself, and leads TWSITD to stage a coup on the army. Their plan goes without fail, and Nader is overthrown, either killed, abducted, or something else. Using his magic, Thales disguises himself as Nader, and continues to lead the army. As such, he is able to control the Almyrans to invade the Alliance. Upon Byleth and Claude's journey back to Gareg Mach, messengers arrive that Derdriu has been overcome by hostile Almyran forces. Claude is absolutely shocked that his closest ally, his father, has betrayed him, and starts to doubt if Fodlan and the outside world can truly cooperate. As such, the chapter after defeating edelgard would then take place in Derdriu rather than Shambalah. In Derdriu, Claude and Byleth would find themselves fighting Almyran Wyvern lords and Titanus units led by Thales, disguised as Nader. Reinforcements would arrive from the West, led by Cornelia herself, who was able to completely cement her control over the Kingdom of Faerghus as a result of the remainder of Dmitri's loyalists dying from the Blood of the Eagle and Lion. The goal of this map would be to defeat all of the commanders, which would be both Cornelia and "Nader." When fighting Nader, Claude takes notice to his "father" using a completely foreign fighting style, wielding dark magic and agarthan weapons. When speaking to "Nader" through battle conversations, he sounds far more serious and aggressive than his usual tone. Defeating Nader will bring him to retreat back to Fodlan's locket. Upon speaking with Rhea, Claude mention's how his father seemed like a completely different man then he knew, and Rhea quickly recognizes that TWSITD are behind these attacks. Rhea flips out and goes into her rage mode, turning into her dragon form, determined to end TWSITD once and for all, even if that means massacring TWSITD's Almyran "allies". As the attack on Shambalah never occured, she still has plenty of strength to do this. Claude recognizes that if Rhea commits such an atrocity, his grand ambitions will be forever shattered. As such, he convinces everyone that they must intervene in the conflict. The final chapter will then take place on a larger version Fodlan's locket, in which you must fight two parties, rage-induced Rhea and her army of White Beasts and Knights to the west, and "Nader" and his following of TWSITD generals, Titanus', and Almyran Wyvern riders to the East. Both sides will be attempting to cross Fodlan's locket, and your job is to put a stop to both Generals, "Nader" and the Immaculate One. Upon succeding, the final cutscene plays, in which you see Byleth defeating Rhea and proclaiming new leadership over the Church, while Claude kills Nader-Thales, leading himself to succeed as the new King of Almyra. Both new leaders command their men to stand down, and Byleth and Claude end by shaking hands, as Claude proclaims how "A new dawn is upon the world."
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There is my take, feel free to ask for any details I may have missed, or comment your thoughts!
Your Idea is not Good. Claude is right about people having to coexist, you don't and should challenge that. That's like challenging the idea of making Friends in your life.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 What are you even arguing about? You are saying that Claude is right in trying to establish coexistence, which I am in no way disputing. Though in a story, especially in Fire Emblem story telling, the main characters face difficulties along that path. All I'm saying is that the conflict should be far more central to Claude's ambitions.
im a game developer and writer, and I do actually agree with the majority of your points. id love to hear your take on crimson flower as well tbh
So I was one of the people who got suckered into playing this route instead of Crimson Flower on my first run and I’m still mad about it
I just got done watching both this and your VW videos, and while I love 3H, the changes you mention would have made the game a LOT more fun to play through multiple times. Original silver snow basically destroyed my brain with stupid dev choices.
Jesus how does a youtuber come up with a better story than the people hired to make the game lol this was awesome
I think the "hero" of this path is meant to be Byleth in a solo position with Seteth as their lancer. It still doesn't work, because while Byleth is interesting imo they're meant to be more of a guiding presence: they help Edelgard retain her humanity, they pull Dimitri out of the abyss, they encourage Claude to be more than The Trickster. In SS they're suddenly shoved into a leadership position and this COULD be more interesting if the overall feel wasn't so bleak and Seteth did more than spout exposition.
I wonder if Rhea wasn't made playable because she might end up TOO broken. She IS a dragon and she can fight back easily on Ashe and Catherine's paralogue if she gets attacked, and as Seiros she has a sword and shield with stat benefits named for her. Playing as her might make the route TOO easy.
Finally, the idea of Seiros vs Nemesis is awesome. Except I wouldn't remove Nemesis from Verdant Wind because that epic shounen style final battle is perfection.
Edelgard not retain her humanity in CF....she is The same un The 4 routes.
Byleth don't save Dimitri in BL, that is Rodríge and his sacrifice....
Byleth not help them at all, he/she only did The dirty work.
I’d love them to make a persona 4 golden / 5 royal style expansion to this game and re release it with a better church route and longer edelgard route and maybe some extra white clouds content to differentiate it between each play through. Oh and playable Rhea/Judith
You know, I was a bit hesitant throughout the video but you sold me your version as soon you mentioned the fight bewtween Seiros and Nemesis. That would've been cool as hell.
Although, I'll be honest, I have a soft spot for Silver Snow because it is the only route where Byleth is the sole leader of the efforts against the Empire and TWSITD. Just wish it had a better plot and better characterisation.
i just get really excited to listen your version and imagine it 😌❤️
I think Rheas evil disease is because of the agarthan nukes she took or something? Not sure but thats the best explanation I can think of
I think this is the explanation they were going for, but she gets nuked in both routes
Dang I'm trying o make similar videos and I wish they would take off like this. Congrats man!
Damn. Now I'm disappointed Rhea wasn't playable, and Silver Snow was my first route and I have a certain attachment to it. The story implications would've been amazing.
I personally played through Silver Snow last, and the ending felt so incredibly jarring; you have a perfectly good King of Liberation right there, why did Claude get him? Plus, there were plenty of hints that Claude's ideals and Rhea's would clash, leading to what I suspected to be a showdown against Rhea, but that never happened either. The endings just felt so disjointed and if the endings were reworked, they'd be so much better. I appreciate all the different points you brought up, it would certainly make the game more cohesive and better overall!
Yeah, agreed. Swapping the final bosses for each would make way more sense, but that would also only work if Rhea was playable.
@@JaidynReiman 100%, then we'd get a good payoff to the cutscene at the start of the game.