How a Number Launched the PlayStation and Nearly Killed Sega
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Few remember how contentious the console wars of the mid '90s were, but the final nail in Sega's hardware coffin can be traced back to just one number, uttered in a single second at E3 1995.
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If you're interested in learning more, Gaming Historian has a great video that dives a little deeper into Sega's three biggest mistakes and how they led to the downfall of their hardware division: bit.ly/2MbMdXp
Great video; thrilled to see that Polygon is dipping its toes into these types of concise history lessons. One note: I would love to see that list of sources from the end of the video as actual links in the description, as well as in the video. Huge props for having that list in the first place, though!
Yeah... shame your a set of bullshitters isn't it?
$299 $299 $599 $399 $399-599
I thought you were gonna go into Dreamcast, and what happened there. I already know, but it would have been nice to round out the video.
Sega Saturn launch bundle came with a game and internal memory on purchase, the PlayStation however was console only so you had to also buy a game and if you wanted to save your game you'd also need a memory card, so in reality the Saturn was actually only around $25 more expensive than Sony's machine.
Oh, that ending burn for the PS3 tho
Weak. They still ended up winning that generation AND the next
suburbanindie Dunno which planet you're living on, but the Wii definitely won the PS3/X360/Wii generation.
suburbanindie actually they didn't. Technically the Wii won that generation. not counting the Wii, the 360 won.
the PS3 ended up passing the 360 in worldwide sales
"They eventually got out of third place" does not 'winning that generation' make.
"299 dollars." *~ CRITICAL HIT! ~*
*guy walks up to the mic*
*he looks at the crowd*
"priceless"
*the crowd cheers and cheers*
No
while i love the On Brand Weird Polygon videos, this is a cool diversion from that and worked really well! good job guys!
Admittedly, for gaming that ps3 announcing killed their early sales, it did ABSOLUTELY and UTTERLY win them the HD movie format wars, and in the end their sales for the ps3 eventually caught up once this was secured and they lowered the pricetag.
It's true. I've always bought Sony consoles but went without a PS3 for a couple years and bought the slim model when the price dropped down to a reasonable level. I'm sure I wasn't alone in this.
I was gonna make a pithy remark about "oh I didn't know this was a Vox Video" but then I remembered by proxy it literally is
Same lol
Reminded me of the SB Nation "Deep Rewind" videos, which like, yeah. Vox Media has a style for sure.
Sony's machine was cheaper than the Saturn, had better 3D hardware which was where the industry was always heading, easier and cheaper to work with for developers, marketed much more clearly and so ended up with lots more and better games. They aimed their machine at the kids that had grown up on the NES and other systems 6-7 years earlier, now becoming young adults with disposable incomes. Sony realised that the average age of gamers had rocketed, now into their 20s by the mid 1990s. So they aimed to delivering more teenage and adult oriented games and experiences. It was the first console you could have at home as a young adult, and not have other people laugh at you for being 'a kid' playing with a toy.
This is a much more accurate summary of why Sony won. They made lots of small but important correct decisions in these areas. If you were a gambler i think you would have backed Sega for the 32bit generation they had all the technology, experience and market position to dominate the new 3D 32 bit world and yet somehow managed to not see the future, despite the fact they pretty much were the future.
Nope
It wasn’t the first console you could have at home as a young adult dude
@@sega-kid No it isn’t much of why Sony won.
@@sega-kid Nah Sega wouldn’t dominate the new 3D 32 bit world
I find it interesting how this is only the first instance of Sony winning over the market with a $100 difference in price tag, considering that's the exact same thing that caused the PS4 to sell a lot better than the Xbox One out the gate (that, and the simple "here's how you lend a PS4 game to a friend" presentation). Kinda highlights the irony of the PS3 misstep, though.
Also exactly what killed the ps3 launch compared to the 360. Funny how they started out good, then forgot and had to relearn it.
The PS3 was technically a good value at 600 dollars. It costed 800 or 900 dollars to produce. So, Sony lost about 300 or 200 dollars per unit. Blu ray players were like 1000 dollars during the mid 000s. So, on paper, it was a ''good value''.
299, 399, 599. Easy to pick up.
But the $500 for the 5 was a no-brainer
@@shadow105720 And then Microsoft's hubris and blindness about the market with the Xbox One put them right back where they started.
It wasn’t just the cheaper price, it was the fact that the PlayStation was much easier to develop for and was more powerful than the Saturn at 3D with its complicated architecture was a a case of Sega underestimating the PlayStation.
Keep doing these! I love the mix of humor and these more informative videos for your channel.
This video does such an excellent job of distilling the relevant historical context and appropriating visuals from a different era to propel its story. KEEP'EM COMING POLYGON. THIS IS WHAT GIES WOULD'VE WANTED.
Sony 299 ''Damn it feels good to be a gangsta''
Sega Japan in particular seemed to be the one that really screwed Sega as a whole over. During the Genesis days they ended up running Yuji Naka out after the completion of the original Sonic, but they lucked out because Mark Cerny had become friends with him and managed to convince him to join his team at Sega Technical Institute in the US. And even though Streets of Rage was a big success, Sega of America had to convince the Sega Japan to put a sequel into development. They eventually did although they outsourced the development to Ancient (Yuzo Koshiro's company). And specifically about Sega and Sony, Tom Kalinski had actually convinced Sony to go in with Sega on a console but Sega Japan killed the idea. Kalinski also had the idea for Sega to work with Silicon Graphics, the company that would end up helping Nintendo with the N64. But Sega Japan killed that idea as well.
You sir, did your homework. Sega of Japan fucking killed every chance that was thrown their way. Serves them right, although it's sad for Kalinski and what became of Sega products nowadays.
mdshock.com/2019/03/18/sega-and-sony-new-insight-into-the-partnership-that-never-came-to-be/ Sony never seriously considered partnering with Sega.
@Grass According to you, the testimonies of interested parties like Hideki Sato, Ken Kutaragi are not sufficient? Otherwise there is also this article which confirms that Sony was not really interested in an association with Segawww.polygon.com/features/2019/12/6/20999590/the-history-of-playstation-was-almost-very-different/
. and you, do you have proof of what you say? Do you have any proof that Sony agreed to collaborate with Sega but Sega refused?
And then sorry, but there is no need to have done advanced studies in business school to realize that this kind of partnership was not interesting neither for Sega and even less for Sony.
@Grass Because videos without sources and an article that quotes Tom Kalinske who has no role in the console design is more obvious proof than the words of Hideki Sato or Ken kutaragi who are the creators of the two consoles? you are so funny. It's not because bullshit are relayed by ignorant people like you, that does make it true.
Sega of Japan and their arrogant CEO Nakayama contributed to destroying Sega from within ur ultimately it was the PlayStation that killed of any hope of Sega even competing with the mighty PlayStation.
Sega had everything on lock. Had theyed never got so paranoid and rushed both the Saturn and Dreamcast who knows what could have happend. Love the PS series but Sega also has a special place in heart.
Sega didn’t have everything on lock.
Nope Sega doesn’t have a special place in anyone’s hearts
@@firestriker3580 Killer argument, my friend
@@firestriker3580 well the only Sega console I have true nostalgia is the Mega Drive (Genesis), Sega’s only successful and great console in my opinion.
As a kid who was playing both a Genesis and a PS1 at the turn of the millennia, I'd say there's no denying the credit due to each company
My favorite console to come out in '94 was the BDG, but I bet you guys at polygon know all about it
BDG....??? The drinking game?
The third generation of Gilbert truly was amazing and my personal favorite, glad it blew up and even brought the earlier generations into the spotlight. Although i must say that the fourth generation or "Moose" had some really weird audio issues where you could never really understand any words
Really interesting. I loved the presentation too.
Love these! Keep 'em coming
This was really interesting! I'd heard this story before, but I liked this take on it. One thing is that I ended the video still not being sure what you meant by "the hole they'd dug themselves into." You mentioned it a lot, obviously, but either never defined exactly which actions counted as "putting them in the hole" and why they contributed to later problems, or you did say, but did it so quickly that I missed it.
Well done! More gaming industry history videos like this one pleeeease!
clayton is an incredible storyteller, and such a great editor!
Wow excellent video. More of this please.
Not just the price, it was also Sega of Japan's stubbornness, Tom Kalinsky wanted to make a deal with silicone graphics to power the Saturn and Sega of Japan said no even tho they would give the Saturn a huge power boost and would be cheaper to make, so off they went to Nintendo. Kalinsky didn't want to release the 32X at all but Nakayama insisted. Hell at one point Sega and Sony wanted to release the Playstation together after the Nintendo deal fell through but that deal also failed thanks to developers with different philosophys clashing.
Very very SBNation style video and I love it. More of this!
3:39 When you wreck the opposition.
Clayton, that PS3 burn was so good, heck.
Kalinski was pretty depressed at that presentation, Sega of Japan had already cut off so much of his freedom at that point, he was pretty much just doing what they said he should do.
boo!
The main reason Sony was able to get away with the releasing the PlayStation at that price and still be profitable on it was because PlayStation was a product made in house, not outsourced like what Sega did with Saturn. You see, the only way for Sega to have been able to make a CD based machine was to outsource such tech from companies that were capable of producing such technology. In Sega's case, by buying from Hitachi and JVC, those companies were the one's profiting off the Saturn on each unit sold because of royalty expenses while Sega themselves were losing $100 off of each unit being sold at the price point of $399 when it was originally supposed to be $499. Sega had a habit of selling hardware at a loss hoping software royalties would make up the difference.
Nintendo knew of the benefits of CD Media, but they were also aware of how expensive a CD based system in their case would be. And Nintendo has a History of not wanting to sell expensive hardware; especially if it was at a loss for short term gains like Sega and others before them did. So you see, that is the main reason Nintendo didn't jump the gun like Sega and others before them did and adapted to CDs. Not JUST because of how expensive it would be trying to sell it, but also the expensive royalty fees involved on each unit that would've been sold with Nintendo's name on it. N64 in Nintendo's case was a product made in house. The only royalty fee they to pay was a $10-$15 for each unit sold because of the Silicone Graphics 3D Chip Set. Other than that, Nintendo was reeling in the dough big time that generation despite the misconceptions; not just from their home console market, but the handheld market too!
Plus Nintendo's own toy company factories too with the success of Pokemon!
wow
The end, oh man, PS3. Made me very sad to be a Sony fan after such strong efforts from the PS and PS2.
Nathan-DTS yeah things definitely did get better, no doubt about that. Just a pretty rocky start was all.
Nathan-DTS I'm sure they did. The late PS3 years were great and the PS4 is still the top current gen console.
Well to be fair they were using an unprecedented media that was all their own.
Nice dig at the end there! XD
Interesting video, but I have a thing when people say Jagwire. 🙂
"If only they had learned their lesson"
True for PS3, truer for PS Vita.
"If only Microsoft had learned their lesson"
No
@@GoldStandardGames Nope stfu they did
I find it interesting that you said SOA led the development of the 32X while SOJ led the development of the Saturn.
From my memory of reading Console wars as well as interviews with Kalinsky he was shown the 32X when being pursued to take up the job at SOA after leaving Matel, years before events stated in the video.
He said that he didn't want to launch it, or the SEGA CD.
And from all the interviews from SEGA staff, books, and articles that I've read around this period stated that SOJ worked solely on on hardware development and handed it to SOA when completed. Often (as in the case of the Saturn) much to the despair of the SOA team.
They even tried to get Silicon knights onboard with an early version of what became the N64, but SOJ flatly refused. As well as a deal with Sony to have the architecture of the PS1, with a deal on publishing games on the shared platform under the SEGA brand.
That’s false
Nope
Hi Clayton
Hi Alex
This is very similar to SB Nation's rewind videos. Except, you know, this is video games, and that's sports.
Legend has it that the guy who announced "299" read that from the teleprompter.. as shown in the video..
The SEGA CD was not the start of the company digging a hole for itself. It was moderately successful, and one could argue that it paved the way for the likes of Saturn and Dreamcast by getting their development teams familiar with CD-based hardware.
Now, the 32X, on the other hand, that could certainly be argued as the start of SEGA's misfortunes.
That guy basically launched the market presence of PlayStation pretty damn cool
SEGA really shot themselves in the foot. If they had just avoided all the stupid add-ons for the Genesis and simply focused on the Saturn, then the Dreamcast, they might still be making consoles today.
32X yes but the Sega CD made sense though.
7:14 A misstep yes, but Sony did remember how they schooled Sega. PS4 came in at $399 and without always online etc in the E3 2013 and undercut the Xbox One. Microsoft is still reeling from that to this day. Even Phil Spencer said they ""We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games."
I think someone forgot to put stuff in the end screen overlay section? ;)
Yeah , that ‘s awsome “ Too nice tea night “
it's interesting that Sony took on Sega first, then Nintendo... they were after blood.
and then they became best of pals.
Clay Clay with dat good good content
$299
Tiger...UPPERCUT!
I believe the reason why Genesis sold so much better in the US vs. in Japan was because of EA. EA’s biggest hits were all US/North America based including NHL Hockey and Madden Football.
7:22
Funniest part lol
Wrong, the SEGA CD was not an expansion to extend the life of the Genesis. The 32X was the expansion meant to be stop-gap extension for Genesis.
The SEGA CD was a companion to Genesis much like the Famicom Disk System is a companion to the Famicom (NES).
You should have explained why investment into CD-ROM technology was critically important for the 3rd generation consoles. SEGA was following NEC's lead which was taking on Nintendo strong in the East with it's PC-Engine CD (TurboGrafx CD).
Nintendo too was preparing for potential CD-ROM battle which is why they initially partnered with SONY for their Super Famicom Disc system. That deal failed resulting in Nintendo venturing with Philips which is how we got the CD-i 450 system.
It is SONY's failed venture with Nintendo, that pushed them to get into the console market, thus their entanglement with SEGA began, initially as a partner (this is where you could highlight SONY's CD software publishing for SEGA CD), and then refusal by SEGA to partner with SONY led to SONY doing the PlayStation on it's own.
The icing blow to SEGA was the $299 price tag SONY undercut after waiting for SEGA to release their details on the Saturn.
The Sega CD WAS an expansion to extend the life to the genesis. It was NOT a companion to the genesis
Uh no it wasn’t important for the 3rd gen consoles
it was NOT Sony’s failed venture with Nintendo that pushed them
Uh Nope srfu
@@firestriker3580 actually it wasn’t, the Sega Mega CD was meant to complement the Mega Drive (Genesis) that would be the 32X being the expansion for the Mega Drive (Genesis).
I just wish you would’ve mentioned that Tom Kalinske was forced to launch the Saturn early by Sega Of Japan’s president
That’s false
299
$199. i am super nes gamer guy. i always remember that price tag.
Yet PS3 still remains among the top 5 best selling home consoles of all time
thats not nearly as impressive as you think. they fucked up and they lost their market dominance.
let me put it this way. the seventh generation of game consoles was the longest lived generation, simultaneously the video game market was exploding in size. if the ps3 didn't sell buckets in that environment then that would be genuinely shocking. both the wii and the xbox 360 sold more units than the ps3 putting sony in last place for the seventh generation. however the ps2 still is the single best selling video game console of all time. and it was sold to a smaller video game market during the shorter lived 6th generation and still outsold the wii and xbox 360. the shear dominance of the ps2 and the fact that it outsold the ps3's own competition despite being so much older is proof of how far Sony fell with the pricing blunder of the ps3.
But it will be remembered as the worst selling playstation home console of all time. And if you work at Sony, you treat it that way as well.
@Grant McDonald . Lol chill out fan boy.
It didn’t start out that way, that’s for sure. That price tag in 2006 was a car note and insurance combined
@@soiboi4497
Yet even at that price PS3 still sold faster than 360 with launch aligned numbers since day one
If Steve Race had had a hand mic, he'd have dropped it right on that stage.
He probably sniggered to himself after the misleading announcement he'd just made!
@@RetroGamesBoy78 That announcement was NOT misleading
@@RetroGamesBoy78 nope
Sony's history in videogaming is unbeatable.
Ahem Wii
@@firestriker3580the Wii as successful as it was was kind of a gimmick but a revolutionary one with the Wii remote.
The price heard around the world.
Iconic
I liked this video but I think the US vs Japan SEGA disconnect gives much less credit to SEGA of America than they deserve. They were doing better with the Genesis than Japan was with the Mega Drive and so their stop gap solution did make a lot more sense from that point of view, they wanted to expand on the success. If the games were better on 32X and Saturn was delayed or cancelled due to Neptune, SEGA could have had a strong place in the market due to their massive Genesis/Mega Drive install base. With Japan pushing ahead with the expensive Saturn though, 32X was dead on arrival...the Playstation price and surprise launch did not help. Also even a single Sonic 3D platformer on any of these machines would have helped...a lot!
Not true. SOA doesn’t deserve any credit
It didn’t make more sense
Nope the genesis install base wasn’t massive
A single sonic 3D platformer on any of those machines wouldn’t have helped
it's called competitiveness, a company that manufactures its own components and consoles will always have the price advantage over a company that goes through suppliers and subcontractors
That's just not true. See the Xbox 360 and the Wii, for instance. Both with outsourced production (the 360 infamously) and MSRPs of $299 and $249 respectively (vs the PS3's $499).
@@joj. the Xbox has Microsoft components, the Wii is technically less powerful than its competitors and the PS3 has an integrated blue ray player, which is normal for it to be more expensive. There is no technical disparity between a Saturn and a Playstation, the Saturn was more expensive to manufacture because all the manufacturing was external.
@@ciredecgellar8232 Again, not that true.
The closest thing to a "Microsoft component" in the Xbox 360 was its BIOS Chip.
The 360 was notorious for being basically a mish-mash of parts - over 1700 parts from over 200 different factories, all put together by one of four non-Microsoft companies (Foxconn, Wistron, Celestica or Flextronics).
The result was a console that cost somewhere between $325 - $715 to manufacture. The PS3 was running about $840 per console. And that's not even because of the Blu-Ray drive, the completed mainboards for each console cost $350 for a PS3 and $205 for a 360, power supplies $38 vs $26, chassis $62 vs $26, and even assembly costing $40 vs $6.
The PS3 was just much more expensive to make vs the 360, even though Sony was manufacturing it in house vs MS' outsourcing, and that's with a CPU whose design Microsoft developed from Sony's Cell chip, the same amount of RAM, and very similar GPUs.
Outsourcing doesn't make it more expensive, design decisions and complexity of both parts and manufacturing do.
(Costs from news outlet Digitimes and research and advisory company iSuppli.)
@@joj. look at the annual reports of Sega, Sony and Nintendo during the 90s, compare the cost of production with the cost price and you will see that you are talking nonsense.The Saturn cost more to produce than the Playstation, Sega to match the price had to sell at a loss and that was it. Sega was just a 2.5 billion company.... It's just the basic rules of any industry. This explains Sega's definitive withdrawal from the console market.
"The result was a console that cost somewhere between $325 - $715 to manufacture." and? In my opinion more 325 than 715 and the launch price of the X box 360 was $400, I don't see the cost problem, it was not sold at a loss. Just a blue ray player in 2006 cost between $700 and $1000 depending on the quality of the product. Of course the PS3's Blue Ray player has inflated its price.
That TROLL!
$499 US Dollars is still my favorite E3 meme.
No
Actually Nintendo won the 16 bit era. Sega didn’t.
what is the game at 6:00?
Virtual on?
sony at least learned from their Ps3 mistake with the Ps4 though. They pulled the same shit on xbox that they did on sega and announced a price tag of 399 compared to xbox's 499. Ps4 has sold double the units the xbox one have. In fact the ps4 has become the 2nd best selling home console ever right behind the ps2.
Nope
No they haven’t
Olaf Olafsson is from Iceland.
In 70s - 80s, we watch the rivalry between IBM and Apple. But in 90s - 2000s, we watch the rivalry between Nintendo, Sega, and Sony Playstation
About the end of the vid... Sony learned the hard way, but they at least acknowledged their mistake - pricing PS4 at 399. Let's hope they did not forget the lesson with PS5. The console CAN be more expensive. After all, inflation did a terrible job on that 1994 price tag - now being $517.29 value. Also we need to account the revolutionary SSD technology being added to the system. I think 399 would be a safe spot, but with their leading position, they can risk 499. So let the main Blue-Ray version be 499 and take a bigger cut with the digital version - the revenue will return with subscription and direct digital game purchases.
It's estimated that the digital PS5 will sell 1:4-1:5, comparing to the classic version. Next generation, the ratio can be 1:1, if customers grew to love the digital service. And than the next gen (we're talking 2035 now), you can ship with digital being the main console or even the only one - that's how you make progress without making your customers angry. Make them see the value without forcing, make them want it.
No
nope
Why didn't you mention how Sony pulled off the same move against Microsoft with the *PS4* ...?
Not
Sony did "learn their lesson", it's just with the PS3, $499/$599 was the best they could possibly do as the PS3 was so expensive to produce, they were losing hundreds on each system sold. PS3 was a MESS, yet somehow Sony survived and didn't give up the console market lead to Xbox as they caught up even in that generation towards the end.
Honestly this was the last time any competitor had a chance to take the market lead from Sony that they have had since the PS1, and Xbox just was not able to do it. The PS3 was extremely expensive to produce, and hard to develop for from what I understand. Sony slowly fixed as much as they could about the PS3 over it's lifetime then moved on to the PS4 which was a much better design and a big success for Sony.
299. Thats what im gonna pay for my Xbox X series S
Say-ga
What game? 6:08
Saturn port of Sega's arcade hit Virtual On.
$599 was worth it all that advanced high-end tech.
Nope
Imo PS3 wasn't worth a crap until 2009
I disagree, what did the PS3 do that the 360 couldn't in the end?
Not an awful lot.
Even the best games, like The Last of Us, could've ran on the 360 and the 360's best games could've ran on the PS3 too.
In the end you paid more for the same just with less optimisation in 3rd party games.
The PlayStation launch didn’t just nearly kill Sega it DID kill Sega and Sega never recovered although Sega attempted 1 last hurrah with the Dreamcast and as good as it was, it was no match for the greatest console of all time, The PlayStation 2.
Too all gaming company's -History repeats itself and Arrogance inflates egos = Downfall.
That speech was genius.
Isn't it 3 numbers? xd
Don’t forget $599 US Dollars
saturn failed for the masses but real gamers LOVE the system. it had amazing arcade game ports from street fighter zero 3 to sega ages (outrun, afterburner) to x-men vs. street fighter to radiant silvergun (yes it was an arcade game first). i know other genres were awesome there as well such as driving games as per daytona usa. as i loved 2D gaming and still do, i was a big fan of this system. yes it was a commercial failure. so be it. so was n64 because psx was dominating for that generation.
pokemon saved nintendo's ass. the psx slaughtered everything in its path. n64 had no good games outside of maybe goldeneye and mario 64 and zelda which is expected. 3 or so games do not make nor sell a system. not a single great RPG or fighting game or sports. everything sucked on it.
Saturn shat on PS1 in fighters and shooters and beat N64 overall.
Saturn is good in Fighters and Shoot em ups but that's it the rest of the console sucks
most of the "arcade" version are so bad if you want true arcade versions that's when the Dreamcast was made in fact the Dreamcast is 10 times better than the Saturn they were right "the Saturn never had a future"
@@eliasnicolasmiranda4940
Not sure what your argument is here? The Dreamcast is Sega's next generation console after the Saturn, just like the PS2 is to PS1? The generation that finally caught up with the arcades.
"They were right, the Saturn never had a future" that isnt actually the quote. It was bernie Stolar, he said "Saturn is not our future" an absolute suicide statement that cost Sega Millions.
I'm also not sure what you mean by most of the "arcade versions were so bad" because the majority were great, some were actually pretty incredible, especially considering quite a few were ports of Sega's Model 2 arcade hardware which was by far the most advanced at the time.
Real gamers don’t love the system
Dreamcast and Shenmue is the best.
Lol no it’s not. PS2,GameCube, FF7 and Mario are the best
KO
$299
nearly? lol...
Oh i love my Sony 😘😘😘💓😂
Because Sega of Japan did not listen to Sega of America.
SEGA of America are the problem
Rushed Saturn launch
"Saturn is not our future"
32X competing with themselves.
Bleem! dev kits for Dreamcast unleashing piracy and the death of their hardware.
Even at their worst, SEGA of Japan was outdone by SEGA of america. Sonic 06 was bad, so SEGA of America released Sonic Genesis GBA and made something even worse.
When Sonic Lost world saw middling success, SEGA of America gave us Sonic BOOM! Rise of Lyric.
I'm sure all five americans who bought a 32X will agree with you, but you're objectively wrong. SEGA of america messed up the most.
It's not "Jagwire", it's "Jag-you-are"
This story is so over hyped! There was so much more to this, Sega made so many small miss steps with the Saturn, it's not as simple as the price or the surprise launch. In fact Sega responded by the time of the full Saturn launch to drop the price of the Saturn. They lost a little ground by having the high price in the first instance but it wasn't make or break. The Sony conference being deliberately boring sounds retrospective writing of history to me. They gathered everyone together to deliberately bore them... in the hope the price tag would make up for all of that... rather than impress them and then reveal a great price too... hmm.
This isn’t overhyped dumbass. And this IS as simple as the price and the surprise launch
Sega lost so much ground and it WAS make or break.
The Sony conference was NOT boring and it doesn’t sound like retrospective writing of history. They didn’t bore them dumbass
Sega Vs PlayStation it’s Sega who would win not PlayStation if Sega was still here they would be as powerful or higher then the Xbox series X they might not have game pass or achievements but the games will play better on Sega then on PlayStation Sega Dreamcast had better graphics then PS2 Sony first real console the PS1 was a joke Nintendo 64 beat the PS1 but they refused to get arcade hits like marvel vs capcom on their console it was not for PS1 at that time thanks to Sega without them there would of been non perfect arcade hits
lol, Sega defenders are out in force, the PlayStation was better than the Saturn and the PS2 is better than the Dreamcast, especially with that ugly controller
@@Adamtendo_player_1 False. Hardware power of the 5th gen is as follows N64 > Saturn > PlayStation
Second of all, the PS2 runs internally at 512 x 224P interlaced to 448i and 20 - 30fps, Dreamcast runs at the same 720 x 480P and 60 fps as GameCube and Xbox in PAL regions and 640 x 480 in NTSC.
It pushes more polygons at less than half the resolution without anti-aliasing, that doesn't make PS2 stronger. Only the Emotion Engine was stronger than Dreamcasts Super SH-4 CPU, but the Graphics Synthesizer was so weak the Emotion Engine has to render polygons itself, hence the worse frame times and 30 fps ports of Dreamcast, GameCube and Xbox games.
I'm not just a fan, I'm an indie dev whose moved my PlayStation 6th gen development to the more capable PSP to go alongside my GameCube and Dreamcast soon to be platformer because PS2 can't do it without MAJOR cutbacks to the visuals, resolution, and half the framerate.
Source on 5th system power: I can read.
Source on 6th gen system power: I'm working with them as we speak
PS2 is only "hard to develop for" because you need to make graphical processes like polygons, geometry, etc. work on the CPU since the GPU can only handle effects and texture mapping.
Jagwire 😂😂
18th
Sega disrespected the Japanese people who made them to rose up. Don’t ever messed an asian
69
Sony did not kill Sega, Sega killed Sega with their blunders involved with the Genesis add ons and the Saturn, that killed most if not all faith consumers and 3rd parties once had in them. And pissing off third parties is not a model for long term success.
Sony and Nintendo DID kill Sega dude
nope bullshit
@@firestriker3580 Nope Sega killed themselves.
Sega contributed to their own demise but Sony dealt the final blow with the PlayStation.
@@Adamtendo_player_1 nope. 99% of it was on Sega.
nearly ?????
Sega did die and its a joke of a company like atari
This is misinformation. The add-on for The Sega Genesis was an executive decision from Sega of japan and soa didn't know about The saturn.
No it wasn’t an exclusive decision from SOJ and SOA DID know about the Saturn and this isn’t misinformation
Phony fanboys "aw man sad day when a console left the market. Classic days"
Bashes the shit out of competitors hoping only Sony succeed*
Sega never succeeded
@@firestriker3580 Still more successes than you lmao. Cope and seethe.
I thumbed down this video because it spoils the whole thing right at the start. It would have been an awesome experience to see the whole thing without knowing in advance. I'd have thumbed it **UP** had the video started at 0:20 - the 20 seconds that ruin this video.
It didn’t troll the whole thing at the Start dude
Make the same mistakes as sega, and Nintendo win 1 generation
Nope. They didn’t
Nintendo didn’t make any mistakes
@@firestriker3580 They did.
Just like SEGA with the Saturn, the GameCube had no mascot big hitter at launch. People wanted Mario just as Saturn owners wanted Sonic, and neither were anywhere to be seen.
No. The Snes outsold the genesis in the US market and took Sega’s market share. Nintendo’s market share beaten Sega and took 67% of their market share. This is a fact. Sega lost. Nintendo beaten Sega in the US, NA,SA,Canada,SK,JP and Worldwide. You got your total console sales in 1994 mixed up because Nintendo beaten Sega in NA and, Canada and US in 1994
Nintendo sold like gangbusters North America and usa
That’s not the whole story though because for 3 years Sega’s Genesis (Mega Drive) was beating the SNES thanks to Sonic.
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