X Men 268, Jim Lee Ushers in the '90s with his Art on X-Men
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This was initially planned has a 2 part book by Chris and Jim but the Marvel heads shot them down and said you have one book. Jim mentioned this at a comic con in Calgary where I got my 268 signed by him. One of the best fan days of my life.
Jim Lee's finest work was at Marvel.
What about Hush?
The Captain America pose is the same pose Jim Lee had Wolverine in on the Cover to Wolverine #27 of July 1990
It’s a dope pose and it sold. I’m still impressed by it.
You are correct !
I feel an incoming Jim Lee shoot interview. I hope!
That Cap image on the first page still looks fresh!
Happy days then, Uncanny X-Men raising the art stakes again...and Jim Lee was still growing as an artist.
Good vid!
Not a comic book buff by a long shot, but there was a period in the 90s where all Jim Lee X-Men works were a no-brainer to pick up. I am 43, and the opening here wherein you talk about the Psylocke run of issues made me smile because that is exactly when I got into these books. I suppose every 8-18 year old did. There was something about the art that was so insanely beautiful, and although the storylines were ridiculously convoluted, the art was...well, perfect for the 10 year old me. This book was the pinnacle of that. Even had the Wolverine v Cap poster over my bed.
Thanks for this review, and your insight. It was so fun to listen to you guys talk about what it meant to see these images as kids and how it influenced your art.
For me this is the most iconic x-men comic ever. It doesn't get any better than this.
My first issue of X-men!!! The two panels of Jubiliee looking under her blouse always struck me as a very unusual kind of storytelling in a comic like this from this era. I think it was only after seeing it again as a grown-up I really understood what was conveyed there. Also, when I was a kid reading Uncanny JUbiliee was one of my favorite characters - she totally served that same purpose of being like a Robin character you could relate to as a younger reader. In hindsight I guess she also bridges that weird space between being a kid and starting to become an attractive woman which I guess is very enticing for a shy 12-year old boy reading this !
Loved this book back then. Brought a lot of nostalgia with this viewing.
Jim lee is at his best in this issue. This is my favorite single comic. Great story and amazing art!
Damn, great video, huh?
This was the issue that got me to start reading X-Men. I always avoided the X-Books when I was a kid because the series seemed so daunting. This issue had a cover that I couldn't pass up and the story was so good, I was hooked.
Love his work on X men Extinction agenda. I really wished jim lee drew all the issues on that run.
This issue was my introduction to Jim Lee. From the very moment I saw it on the comic rack at my local convenience store, I knew that the world of comics had changed for the better. I hadn't been this excited to have a book in my hands since I got my grubby paws on TMNT #1 (4th printing).
I actually enjoy his 90s stuff the most.
This was a great book. Moore important to me was the story line. This was also a (thought )at Cap's funeral when Wolverine remembered that he knew Cap during WW2. This was never mentioned during Secret Wars 1.
Jim Lee's artwork on the X-Men was breathtaking
For those of us who played the Capcom Marvel arcade games of the 90’s. You instantly recognize a lot of the artwork in this issue that was used in the video games. This issue particularly was used a lot in marvel super heroes. As X-Men issue 1 was used in X-Men: Children of the Atom
when jim lee's art collided with chris clairemont's narrative cohesion.
Love you guy's deconstruction of comic artwork. Just wanted to say this whole issue and Jim Lee era was a love letter to Frank Miller's Daredevil run. From the Hand, Black Widow costume, Millers' Wolverine, ninja's, etc.
Jim Lee when he did the X-Men cards that was probably the best artwork I've ever seen in my life he is one of the best artist that ever lived next to all the great I'm not going to take anything from anybody but he can draw Marvel characters and DC characters at their best
I collected that card set 3 times over. I loved how he drew a danger room scene by combining 9 cards. And holograms were all awesome.
my favorite single issue of all time
I realize now that the physicality of his characters actually had a major influence on the way in which I myself wanted to look...they felt so real, they felt so cool - his shit made you feel cool.
Yeah, you're right - this is one of the only self-contained issues during the whole post-Siege Perilous era. Nothing here had any real consequences for the main continuity at the time, which was an outlier for monthly Claremont. Nonetheless, 268 is a gem.
Also, good point about the affective differences between Lee and his Image peers, particularly Liefeld. Lee was much more technically sound and his compositions were often quite beautiful, but there was a just a reckless, frenetic energy communicated by early Liefeld which had a specific appeal. His stuff was full of the 'danger' and attitude that adolescent boys tend to seek out and emulate, even boys like myself who would have had trouble fighting his way out of a wet paper bag in '91. It's a classic stage of psychosocial development and the search for masculine identity - a journey that Liefeld's X-Force and metal music and wallet chains helped to facilitate for many of us.
The Wolverine face with the red eyes was on a black t-shirt back in the day. It was my favorite tee for a long time.
Kudos to Ed and Jim for another great episode! Was just thinking the other day of requesting this since Ed recolored it. Also my fave single issue, making me a lifelong Jim Lee and Cap fan on the strength of the splash page-- which is probably the most merchandised image of Captain America. =)
A personal favorite of mine, great story & art and a lot of good memories from that era. 1990, wish it could be that year again,great year.
god damn, look at that Black Widow 08:12, shes extremely beautiful here, look at everything. Everything looks so good, and that classic paper that is, as far as i know, gone from todays comic books, none of that artificial shine and plastic feel. Such fantastic art.
This issue along with the Punisher War Journal issue where Jim Lee is Inked by Klaus Janson are my two favorites. Such an iconic issue. Captain America never looked so good and bad ass. If i could describe it in one word, it would be, majestic.
i had JIM Lee sign that XMen issue for me
The 2 books that define Jim Lee in my eyes are Batman. The Hush series and his run on X-Men. Beautiful work.
We used to have an attachment you could affix to your compass that you could use with a rapidograph point. I still have one that easily accommodates a micron. I bet Williams did use the old pincer ink appliance though; those things take some finesse.
Jim Lee's best art work is the X-men books. Also don't forget he drew Fantastic Four in 1996 for the heroes reborn relaunch.
FF HR was phenomenal art wise
The 90's video game ads are cool as well. I hope you guys review all the Image founders' first Image releases as well. Great episode, guys. Keep up the good work.
This is still the Jim Lee style I hope he goes back to, because by the time he gets to WILDCats it wasn’t as detailed as this
I agree with you. Lee's heavily-detailed style in Uncanny as well as adjective-less X-Men had me salivating. When I picked up WILDCats #1, I was like "Oh. Okay." I mean, I was still floored by the awesome art, but I was kinda disappointed that it seemed to lack that extra 'oomph' I had grown to expect from him. It was still superb work, don't get me wrong, and I bought every issue he drew.
Probably due to deadlines being tighter because they were doing more of the work themselves, in addition to being artists.
I do remember when he stopped drawing WildCATS and Travis Charest took over. I was initially unimpressed, but slowly, that guy developed a great style of his own too.
One of my favorite issues. I still have it too. My favorite panel....when Natasha calls him "little uncle" in Russian. Logan tells her to stop cuz his Russian is rusty. Great scene.
Jim Lee is still my favorite X-Men and Wolverine artist of all time. 🙏🏼
I rememeber in the wizard days this was always "worth" a little more than the issues around it and they always listed the reasoning as it was jim lee's first issue as the regular artist; it was like wizard couldn't admit that people paid more for this issue in the back issue bins because it was good. It didn't fit the 1st appearance/first issue narrative of the speculator market.
Or Scott Williams
Good point! I guess it's just easier quantifying a milestone than it is with something subjective like a good story.
So very true.
favorite era
This channel is pure gold 🙌🏻
Not my first x-men issue but it is the issue that got me hooked. i saw that splash page and was instantly on board.
That splash page is everything!
I really loved Marc Silvestri on x-men
PAM PAM PAM
ZIPPITY ZAP
BAM POW!
I still remember the sick beat my 11 year-old friend and I came up with to soundtrack that onomatapoeia.
Nobody noticed the serendipity of that Wrath of the Black Manta ad on page 5? Page 4, Ninjas. Page 5 Video game ad, with Ninjas!
Im not 100% sure, but i think Paul Smith might have been the first to do the jumpinging Wolverine or Captain America panel in uncanny x-men #167 page 12 i think. I know those guys were all riffing off one another back then, so maybe it was Miller first, but definately Romita Jr did it after Smith and thats where I assume Lee got it from.
Jim Lee's work was the first piece of comic art I ever laid eyes on as kid. His run on Xmen is what set me on a path to become a comic artist.
That being said, Hungry 90's Lee is completely different than DC era Lee. And I completely agree, he is the least interesting of his contemporaries.
I like the ad's for all the video games between the panels
thanks you guys are great!
Thank you!
I got Jim Lee to sign my X-Men #256, which was part one of the new Ninja Psylocke trilogy.
I always preferred Sivestri to Lee (although Lee's C-19 work has been amazing), I thought he got action a bit better than Lee. Would you cover his stuff at some time? Maybe even The Darkness or something Top Cow like Witchblade? cause they were really bit in the 90s
One of my single ALL TIME X-Men issues and the book that Jim Lee suddenly jumped like 3 levels...He was always great...but this was something different. A near perfect issue.
Can’t wait for the upcoming artist edition.
I'll just add as well progress here. Page 4 Cap is Steranko all the way. Wolvie DEF Art Adams. Page 11, Wolvie always willing to start a fracas with Nazi's. The silhouette's are a great story telling tool. I refer to the Copy of Dog Daze I sent you. We did it quite a few times and it worked well. At this point in time I had been buying X-Men since 1977. I was very excited to see Jim Lee on the book. I remember getting this one at 7-11 since the comic guy was there stocking the spinner rack when i was there. I ended up grabbing three copies since my brother read X-Men and my friend Brian also did. Seems like so long ago, and it was. Great episode and go check out Dog Daze for those silhouette shots I mentioned.
Nah. Hulk McFarlane was the first I ever ever saw of the 90s artwork to come. And Peter David and McFarlane was the most amazing run to me of the late 80s before he Venom and Spiderman.
This was my first comic. I couldn’t figure out why wolverine was moonlighting as Indiana Jones, but in the end, I decided I didn’t care because it was the coolest thing I’d ever seen in my life.
Not sure if they still sell it at Target, and I'm sure you can find it online, but there is a t-shirt of that splash page Cap leap.
I always feel bad for Silvestri: he was actually very good on Uncanny X-Men. I prefer that run, actually. But, his art was overshadowed by Jim Lee's.
Of course, he would get "demoted" to Wolverine, where he continued to shine.
I first knew about Lee’s work before Silvestri’s, but I can recall how amazed I was the first time I saw Silvestri’s art. I thought “this guy is just as good as Jim Lee!”, then years later as I followed both artists and as they evolved, I realized that Silvestri is actually better. Even Jim Lee said this in one of those Image comics history documentaries, that Marc’s the better artist even back when they were in Marvel; while Silvestri implied that he tried to be Jim Lee art-wise as he’s also a fan.
The black color in the panel gutters to communicate a flashback is a technique I see used in manga frequently. I wonder where/when the technique originated?
The frame editing reminds me of Sergi Eisenstein’s theories and works.
dope video you guys nailed it.
Awesome comic !!
You guys say all the shit I've been thinking for the last 25 years.
sry 30 years
Are there more flashback 30s/40s Wolverine and Captain America storylines? I mean.. Cap and Wolvie killing Nazis is a good idea right?
John V Thanks!
I remember when it was so rare to see Cap and Wolverine in a movie that the @:02, book was worth good money. Now....
Jim Lee X-Men Artist Edition book up for pre-order: www.amazon.com/gp/product/1684058090/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Excellent video. I have this issue. I'm subscribing to this channel.
Super...anything you got...I'll take!
Flashblack. Black margin for a flashback sequence. 😄
ah, I have this!
i have this one.
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Good choice, 🔥🔥🔥🔥😎💭🗝💎🖼🍷
Well that side-note is just disturbing. If Claremont's intention was that Seraph was his mother & Sabretooth was his father, yikes! I keep picturing Andy Kubert's Sabretooth from the 2nd (adjective-less) X-Men series #33 (page 2) looking for some loving. Again, yikes!
My mom robbed me of this with no gun
Peopke like to throw around the argument that Todd McFarlane was the best artist to work for Marvel. My vote is for Jim Lee.
MC TDAWG So was McFarlane’s, unless he was just saying that for whatever the reason...
Wait. So…Black Widow is in her 50’s in the “present” timeline of this book?! Wtf?
Wolverine quotes Indiana Jones to Black Widow. This comic could be adapted to an awesome movie.
The shadow drawing dark figures where you can only see their eyes and maybe whatever else was important to the panel drawing. Jim Lee did a good job of using it sparingly to tell the story. But then liefeld did it all the time because he's lazy and pretty much killed and buried that trope. The dude pretty much ruins everything he touches
Clearmont...exposition...too dense...let the art work for you Chris...