Yeah I was completely baffled by that, seems like he was panicking, but also not expecting the PT to stand there ground and not go for an attack. I think one of the reasons NA struggles against JP players is due to how patient they are and how they play very safe.
Damn the Spargo SD to seal the deal. You could tell the pressure was getting to him with all those air dodges at the end. Great play by both! Good set tough loss.
Im sure your aware of this but it also looked like that noi intentionally went for the body block right off of the ledge due to the unit collision mechanic in this game
@@5inistermm_109 ahh I will have to watch back again to take notice. I thought he had just pulled the trigger a little too soon. Even better play by Noi if that is the case!
I'm assuming he thought he was safe to grab ledge cuz he double-jumped right around where it will cause the next up special to magnet. So he thought "might as well get an ez spike and even things up" but he was prolly too far from ledge to get that magnet. (double jumping right before using climhazzard near ledge typically assures that as long as any part of the blade touches the edge, you will magnet on)
People forget that it’s not the same to play at your country or continent, vs play in another region. Respect to the japanese players that always travel to NA, and even with the jetlag, time zone change and pressure of the crowd they achieve amazing results.
That can be megitated alot by a comftable time schedule,but I guess that's the last think that is taken into consideration and the tournaments run on very tight schedules.
Japan made em *crack under pressure.* I don't think Spargo played incredibly well(not to mention Mkleo threw pivotal games)....HOWEVER, it's very evident that they don't have the CONSISTENT patience yet against a VAST cast of characters, who's players are willing to play the slow neutral. Makes them feel uneasy since you can't control it and you crack exposing the weaknesses(in this case, Spargo air dodge). I think the biggest tale away is all the game 5's, last hits from Spargo, Mkleo and even the Japanese games. Everyone is so close.
Yeah this is something I mentioned earlier, the big difference between these two regions is the JP players are willing to play the slow neutral and be incredibly patient. This seems to continue to throw off a lot of NA players, Smash Ultimate is a game where playing definitively and even camping is the most optimal way to play.
@@Dribin When Spargo gives into it, he ends up winning neutral and while it’s harder, can still keep them in the corner to death too like against NA. He just doesn’t like how it feels, and I get it considering players like Noi can carry him corner to corner on a single hit. Feelings make em crack. I am personally of the belief that Roy is a meta breaker and carries the potential and tools to make this “slow neutral” void. We shall see.
This is the problem with cloud and why he’s not mained by everyone , he’s too Volatile and too simple. All of Spargo’s characters have the same problem, they’re not strong against corner pressure and edgeguarding. Because of this Spargo has to constantly mitigate any weakness when recovering, which is bad because those habits are getting easier for Spargo’s opponents to call out and eventually punish.That added with Clouds reliant on limit mode in neutral to be ambiguous. Which means the opponents have to break his gameplan if remaining on center stage and force him to waste it offstage
Sparg0 cannot stop taking Ls, and it's not even halfway through the year... Welp, time to add Pokémon Trainer to his loss count! Let's see... ah, here we go! That makes 7 characters in total he's lost to since Collision ended!
@@LazyNinjass With Hurt's performances and Sonix getting 2nd pretty consistently, it looks rough. I don't know everything about results/rankings but Acola, Miya, Sonix, Hurt are looking like the contenders for top 4. People like Spargo, Shadic, some other Japanese players, Light, etc following afterwards. Spargo is one of my favorite players to watch but like how Sonix mentioned a while back, Spargo has some bad habits that he autopilots so those could be exploited even if Spargo is playing amazing.
@@liam1902 I also agree, except i think Shadic is a solid fifth after Acola, Miya, Hurt, and Sonix. With the rest of the top 10 being Light, Spargo, TamaP, Shuton, and Tweek or Raru.
I think it has more to do with the Online being bad. Bad online severely weakened the development of North America’s melee scene. Especially when the top players cannot truly go at each other on a offline level, like Japan normally does. Sonix, Light, Gluto, and MKLeo live very far away from each other for them to actually grind consistently, or stumble upon the unpopular character mains.
今までNoiさんの試合を撮り続けてきたのもあり、嬉しさのあまり勝った瞬間叫んでしまいました。
見返すと相当な奇声を上げており、不快に思われた方や驚かれた方、大変申し訳ございません。
※ギャラリーの様子ですが、日本ということもありsparg0側がかなりアウェーでしたが中には5人に1人？ぐらいsparg0を応援する日本人の方々もいらっしゃいました。
キノトロープの2人スパーゴ倒してんの凄すぎる
21:56 don't worry everyone even spargo air dodges in 3 times in a row
21:53 is when he starts mashing air dodges
@@pugimasher673 i didnt even recognize that as being part of the sequence. four air dodges in a row his brain was NOT in the moment.
same thing leo did vs snow
Yeah I was completely baffled by that, seems like he was panicking, but also not expecting the PT to stand there ground and not go for an attack. I think one of the reasons NA struggles against JP players is due to how patient they are and how they play very safe.
Damn the Spargo SD to seal the deal. You could tell the pressure was getting to him with all those air dodges at the end. Great play by both! Good set tough loss.
Im sure your aware of this but it also looked like that noi intentionally went for the body block right off of the ledge due to the unit collision mechanic in this game
@@5inistermm_109 ahh I will have to watch back again to take notice. I thought he had just pulled the trigger a little too soon. Even better play by Noi if that is the case!
I'm assuming he thought he was safe to grab ledge cuz he double-jumped right around where it will cause the next up special to magnet. So he thought "might as well get an ez spike and even things up" but he was prolly too far from ledge to get that magnet. (double jumping right before using climhazzard near ledge typically assures that as long as any part of the blade touches the edge, you will magnet on)
People forget that it’s not the same to play at your country or continent, vs play in another region. Respect to the japanese players that always travel to NA, and even with the jetlag, time zone change and pressure of the crowd they achieve amazing results.
@@Chipi-Chipibricks
理解した上で言ってるだろ
@@Chipi-Chipibricks
日本で行われた大会でsparg0やLeoがこけたのは遠征の影響であることを指摘したうえで、改めて海外でも結果を出してる日本人を称賛している
@@user-mr8rd9lz8s これ
That can be megitated alot by a comftable time schedule,but I guess that's the last think that is taken into consideration and the tournaments run on very tight schedules.
Don't forget Gluto who's probably the top player who travels the most along with MkBigBoss
動画化神すぎます
本当にありがとうございます
ステージ上で圧倒的に優位に立ち回ってたスパーゴクラウドに対して前半ボッコボコボにされてたのにコツコツ隙をついてなんとか崖外に運んで復帰阻止。正直1.2試合目の試合内容でどうやって勝つんだよって思った。
結果わかってて見たのに最初に2戦見て本当にここから勝つのかと疑ってしまったよ
フシギソウの横スマ神すぎる
3試合目の横スマ決められたのにここから逆転するNoiさん、メンタル化け物(褒め言葉)すぎる。
ただ、これNoiさんの対応力もあるとは思うけどSpargo君が逆にメンタルやられてた感ある気がする。復帰脆いキャラはやっぱキツイね…Spargo君が最後あんな終わり方するとは…
ホームとかアウェー気にしてる人いるけど、スパーゴは過去の篝火で日本人ボコボコにして優勝してるから関係ない
そんな人いるん？なんで海外勢が日本来る時だけそういうの気にしてんだよw
日本勢が海外行ったら基本アウェーだろw
@@DORUMAGESU今回のデルタと篝火に海外勢全員TOP8入ってないしこういう負けた時だけ海外でもアウェーとか自国開催だからとか言い訳してる観戦勢目立つ。 X見てる感じ日本とか他の国より海外選手歓迎され易いし、そもそも選手自体そんな事気にせず海外に来て挑戦してくれてるのに外野がうるさいよな。
@@DORUMAGESU俺は日本人が海外行ったらアウェーだからこそ海外プレーヤーが日本に来た時も同じように言うぞ
これ言ってる人多いんだよなぁ
言うてスパーゴもメキシコ人だからアメリカの場とかはアウェイだと思うけどね
のいさん細かいフレーム消費上手すぎる
やっぱ勝つ要因脆さ、相性だけじゃないのがわかる
これめっちゃ見たかった！！
とんでもない逆転劇でNOIさんと撮影者の感動もめっちゃ伝わってきてこっちも感動した
あと、この試合に負けたからといってスパーゴの評価を下げる人はいないと思う
スパーゴの対応力は誰もが知ってるから
それな。次やったら対応力のスパーゴが勝つよな。
ついにポケトレも海外少なくてスパーゴ対戦経験少ないから仕方ないとか言われてて草
発売して6年目のゲームでそんなフォローされるスパーゴが1番可哀想笑
そもそもポケトレの海外層はむしろ厚いくらいなんですよね笑
普通に海外にQuiddいるんだよなぁ
のいさんの対応力ヤバいな
4ゲーム目上手すぎ
Thank you for uploading this!!!!
写真見た時周り完全アウェーの中で常に勝ってかなきゃいけないプレッシャーと闘うsparg0はほんとすごいと思った。SSCの時含めそういう世界で生きてる彼を尊敬したいよ
When players shield the dair instead of dying to it. They win. Noi played so amazing
You're so right. It feels so bad to get that dair blocked and immediately being thrown offstage.
のいさん、スパーゴにリバース3-0はもう今大会のMVPだろ
だんだんクラウドが対策されてきてスパーゴの力だけじゃ支えられなくなってきてるなぁ…本人が楽しくやれてるなら良いけどファンとしては辛いものがある
私はタミスマ時代のノイを覚えています。私はいつも彼がゲームで最もユニークなデュアルメインペアの1つを持っていると思っていました（ポケモントレーナー、オリマー）私はいつも彼がレッドブルゲームスフィアイベントでuameとオリマールをプレイするのを見て、常にそのうちの1つがどこかの時点で勃発することを知っていました。おめでとうノイ、あなたはこの勝利に値する
両選手を応援していたので見ていてつらかったです😢
1番大きいのは、対クラウドが進んだことやと思う。
一時期のジョーカーや麺麺、カズヤもそうだけど、あるキャラが大活躍するとその対策が急激に進む。
スパーゴが弱くなったんじゃない。周りが強くなった。
mkleoも最近スパーゴに勝ってきてるしな。
同意のとこはあるけど麺対策が進んでると言うところは少し違和感をある。あいつは単にナーフの影響でかい気がする、そも使い手も多くないからなあ
日本の中堅層はバケモン多いしね。
去年と違って今の日本環境でクラウドホムヒカ安定するのはもう難しいのかも
スパさん、あこみやまでいけたら高確率で優勝できるのに、そこに辿り着くまでがいつも茨の道だ
4:50 game 1
Ty ty
勝って当たり前というプレッシャーの中で、クラウドという脆すぎるキャラ使うのすげー疲れそう
復帰脆いキャラって絶対安定しないよな
@@RED-mr4iv
それはちがうぞ。
こいつ世界2位やぞ
@@user-nw1qi3he8l
実際安定してない
@@user-nw1qi3he8l実際クラウドはTOP10に入ってないしキャラは明確に脆いやろ。スパーゴが凄すぎるだけやけで
DELTAでもラリックスドンキーに負けて敗者側通過。
日本の珍キャラ環境でアップセットが起こらない方がすごいと思った方がいいかもな
ポケトレが珍キャラとは言わんけど
裏もTGに負けてるわけだし
9:48.. man this game has SOOO much depth 🤣
Spamg0 aka Bairgo
Japan is the strongest region in the world
im still rooting for my mex boys, i hope this bring character development to them and get so much better
Yes my friend. It’s not over. Rough losses but the comeback will take place
のいさん勝負強すぎた
Top8でのsparg0が見たかった
もう満足だけど、限界まで欲張るならSparg0vsザクレイ、リベンジマッチ見たかった…
クラウドが脆いみたいな話見てたけど海外は自力で相手を上回ることが重視されて日本では相手キャラの弱点を突くのが重視されてるとかの違いもあるのかな
いや関係ないw
のいこれよくリバースしたな
１,2戦目見る限りスパーゴ圧勝かと思うわ
That stock 2 last game was a thing of beauty.
動画ありがとう🙏
LETS GO NOI
I can just see the pain in Sparg0 as he just sits there for a minute before getting up. 😞
やはりクラウドは復帰が最大の弱点っていうのが痛すぎる。
まぁあんだけ地上で暴れてりゃそれぐらいのハンデは無いと困る
Japan made em *crack under pressure.* I don't think Spargo played incredibly well(not to mention Mkleo threw pivotal games)....HOWEVER, it's very evident that they don't have the CONSISTENT patience yet against a VAST cast of characters, who's players are willing to play the slow neutral. Makes them feel uneasy since you can't control it and you crack exposing the weaknesses(in this case, Spargo air dodge). I think the biggest tale away is all the game 5's, last hits from Spargo, Mkleo and even the Japanese games. Everyone is so close.
Yeah this is something I mentioned earlier, the big difference between these two regions is the JP players are willing to play the slow neutral and be incredibly patient. This seems to continue to throw off a lot of NA players, Smash Ultimate is a game where playing definitively and even camping is the most optimal way to play.
@@Dribin When Spargo gives into it, he ends up winning neutral and while it’s harder, can still keep them in the corner to death too like against NA. He just doesn’t like how it feels, and I get it considering players like Noi can carry him corner to corner on a single hit. Feelings make em crack. I am personally of the belief that Roy is a meta breaker and carries the potential and tools to make this “slow neutral” void. We shall see.
Thank you for the video!
4:43 start of the match
翻訳機を使わずコメントしてます。
いくつか奇妙な点がみられたらごめんなさい。
多くの人がこのスマッシュセットを見て驚きますか？
しかしそれはいいゲームでした︎👍🏻 ̖́
かっこよすぎる
のいさん有利フレームの使い方うますぎる！全部上手いけど！！
ノイさんスゴすぎる
22:25 sound like the Aztec death whistle 💀
KENさんのツイートから来ました、めちゃ助かります...
おめでとう！Noiさん好きだからもっと勝ってほしい
Not the reverse 3 - 0 with an SD ending. It has to suck to be Sparg0
ほんとよくポケトレで勝てるわ
相性的には別に不利じゃないんだけど
着地と復帰をここまで不自由そうにしてるすぱーご久しぶりに見たな
でもカムイは出なかったんだ
Starts at 4:49
Red is a amazing character ❤
NOI 🔥🔥🔥🔥
チェウォンめちゃくちゃ好きやな笑
Twitterもキーコンもチェウォンかいね
Well there is no debate anymore.
Japan > the world at Smash Ultimate
The Top 20 rankings should be 15 Japanese players and 5 world players at most.
Spargo belongs after top 7 at this point lol
日本の最上位と世界の最上位の直接体験だと世界の方が強いと思う
ただ日本の方が最上位、上位共に層は厚いと思う
@@ko-jo-sin普通にどっちも日本の方が強いよ
@@LazyNinjass sBAIRgo
@@vvvvccd
Sparg0,SHADIC,SONIXとかほぼ無理でしょ
PGstatみたけどSparg0,SONIXの2人に勝ち越してる日本人最上位いないし、SHADICは日本人とはほぼやってないけど上の2人と同じくらいの実力だとしたらキャラ相性最悪とか以外でほぼ負けないでしょ
それ以外の最上位対決はとんとんだと思う
もっとsparg0が勝っているところが見たかった…クラウドの防御面の脆さと難しさが色濃く出てしまった試合なだけに悔しい
MKLeo and Spargo PANICKING out of their minds this tournament
Damn, what a set.
This is the problem with cloud and why he’s not mained by everyone , he’s too Volatile and too simple. All of Spargo’s characters have the same problem, they’re not strong against corner pressure and edgeguarding. Because of this Spargo has to constantly mitigate any weakness when recovering, which is bad because those habits are getting easier for Spargo’s opponents to call out and eventually punish.That added with Clouds reliant on limit mode in neutral to be ambiguous. Which means the opponents have to break his gameplan if remaining on center stage and force him to waste it offstage
リバース3-0してたとは驚き
spargo..ロボ使わないか？
怖いか？日本のスマメイターが！！！
クラウドって対スティーブがちょっといけるってだけでキャラパワー自体はスティーブソニックスネークに比べりゃ1段落ちるな
プレイヤーもどん兵衛たべた？
残念だよスパルゴン
彼とクラウドを認めてほしい。
彼の実力で脆さは評価に入りません。
ポケトレ使ってるけど、クラウドは相当有利カードなんよな
Sparg0 cannot stop taking Ls, and it's not even halfway through the year...
Welp, time to add Pokémon Trainer to his loss count! Let's see... ah, here we go! That makes 7 characters in total he's lost to since Collision ended!
He’s like mkleo now lol. He has to be top 7-13 in the world right now. Not top 4 for sure
@@LazyNinjass With Hurt's performances and Sonix getting 2nd pretty consistently, it looks rough. I don't know everything about results/rankings but Acola, Miya, Sonix, Hurt are looking like the contenders for top 4. People like Spargo, Shadic, some other Japanese players, Light, etc following afterwards.
Spargo is one of my favorite players to watch but like how Sonix mentioned a while back, Spargo has some bad habits that he autopilots so those could be exploited even if Spargo is playing amazing.
@@liam1902 I agree with this. I’d even put light over spargo at this point tho. Sonix still top 4 even tho he’s not showing up too much
@@liam1902
I also agree, except i think Shadic is a solid fifth after Acola, Miya, Hurt, and Sonix.
With the rest of the top 10 being Light, Spargo, TamaP, Shuton, and Tweek or Raru.
@@FallingandRelaxingザクレイ？
海外だとバンカズやポケトレとの対戦経験あんまないだろうし、日本で勝ち抜くのはキツイんだろうな…
ポケトレは海外いっぱいいるよ、バンカズはほんとにおらんけど。
それは雑魚の思考だ
ポケトレはいる。
海外はシンプルな強キャラ多い
海外にダックハント少なそうやからBig Dの結果も納得できる
I think it has more to do with the Online being bad. Bad online severely weakened the development of North America’s melee scene. Especially when the top players cannot truly go at each other on a offline level, like Japan normally does. Sonix, Light, Gluto, and MKLeo live very far away from each other for them to actually grind consistently, or stumble upon the unpopular character mains.
This is your goat?
Naw that's Leo
Pobre Spargo, TKM.
Sisi ahuevo que si
スパーゴさん最後のほう酷いな
スパくんいい加減復帰強いキャラ手持ちに入れよか
カムイは普通に復帰弱いから捨てよか
しゃしゃんな
@@user-pe1wj7ev9k
(元ドルマゲス)👈これ痛いからやめてね
Hahhaahha you love to see it
First MKLeo with the weed and now Spargo with the alcohol, what a waste of talent because of drugs, a damn shame.
Cloud is so overrated
スパーゴよスティーブ、ゲッチ使いにならないか？
安定してTOP8いけるぞ
安定してtop8(あcolaミーヤーに限る)
でも彼最強キャラのホムヒカ持ってるじゃん
スパーゴのスマブラ力が有れば可能だと思う、スパーゴはあコーラ、ミーヤには高い勝率を誇るプレイヤーだし
合う合わないがあるからな。使えたとしてもあこみやレベルはきつい。
安定してTOP8いけてる人があこーらミーヤーしかいない時点で参考にならない
ホムヒカクラウドカムイで安定してないならスティーブゲッチ使っても無理
DELETE THIS !
MKLeoは正直半分終わってるから意外ではなかったけど、Sparg0はコケたと言っていいやろね。
9割以上GF来る予想だったろうし。
ザクレイはやっぱ篝火補正があるんかね。
レオと同じくもう終わった人やけど、思った以上に勝ってた。
Hurtやあcolaみたいな新世代の最強たちには明確に差をつけられてボッコボコにされてたけど。
今は知らんけど、篝火11の時点ですらKENやしゅーとんたちがあこミヤに向き合ってる中、ステに大クソ文句垂れてたし、その意識のままなら正直期待はできないよザクには。
まぁ別に新作出るまではガチではやらないでしょ
ここでザク批判する必要なくね笑
長文お気持ち表明きっつ…
Sparg0批判と見せかけたザクレイアンチで草 いい加減しつこいぞ
いや誰だよ
Thank you for uploading this
残念だよスパルゴン