I was until I started getting emails telling me I need to reconfirm my decision. There's a couple of trick questions to catch you out, which you're allowed to correct, once you've discovered your errors. I recently received confirmation that I don't need to buy a licence (again). I will be 75 soon, and so this nonsense should stop. I think the more vulnerable old people will just 'cough up'. What a harsh government we are now living under.
My Mother in law is terrified of 'authority'. Many people of her age (late 80s) were brought up this way - but as she has got older she has lost the confidence to either question or scrutinise. This makes her and many thousands of OAPs like her very vulnerable to being scammed. She was duped recently into getting insurance at 20 quid a month for a 5 year old fridge. When I questioned why she did this she said "I didn't want to get into trouble!", tears streaming down her face. These are the people the BBC goons are targetting with visits and letters like this.
Yes, my mother passed and father stopped watching TV so no point keeping it. 14 letters in 4 months, 12 of which were in the first 3, they are intimidating the elderly especially into continuing to pay, even if they’ve stopped watching their men are woman of the year nonsense. That’s how bad it’s got. Can’t get them to watch it but they’ll try scaring us into paying anyway. The bully state
After losing the free license I have not paid the bbc. I get a letter approximately every month which goes straight into the bin. I’m 87 and not scared of these people
When my father died I had to deal with TV licencing. They ended up informing me that they would suspend the letters chasing him for a licence for 6 months but would be chasing him again after that. When I pointed out that that would mean he would be resurrected then I would happily pay the licence myself if he came back from the dead the agent finally realised how ridiculous it was
While just asking for a new subscription, some magazine my grandfather had subscribed to was STILL sending letters 30 years after his death. For all I know they are still sending letters to that address, where at this point there is no longer anyone living there related to him. My dad had tried to inform them at first, but ultimately gave up and just started chucking them.
@@professorhaystacks6606we received a predictions mailing forc my deceased mother including predictions after her dearh, with an invoice - we refused to pay on the basis it was faulty goods and they were welcome to come and collect/provide mailing to return them. Funnily we never did hear from them again...
I cancelled the other day and the phone call was disgusting. They were really aggressive and constantly lied about the legal requirement for a licence. Criminals!
@MikeEves if you pay by direct debit, you are likely to be paying up to six months in advance that's obviously nice refund if you phone up and cancel. But yes I agree no law says you have to inform them 😊
@@timtynan4204 My old Dad always had a TV licence. He went into a care Home, and i was left dealing with all his affairs...The only company that refused to give my old Dad a rebate, was...yep, you got it..THE TV LICENCE PEOPLE 😅
Keep a note of which fictional character "signs" it and how their job title changes with every letter. There's a soap opera waiting to written about this...🤣
I told them early this year that my property was empty. They are due to start sending letters again early next year. I shall start returning them marked something like "Threatening letters not accepted". They simply refused to accept my call as a complaint. Utter arrogance.
If a plumber or an electrician went to someone's home and told them falsely that they were legal required to have work done, they would be committing an offense. Surely the same should apply to TV licensing officials. I had one come to my house about 10 years ago and tell me I was legally required to buy a TV licence, without asking if I watch TV.
"you've also requested to withdraw our implied right of access" It's not up to the homeowner to request, the homeowner has stated that he HAS wihdrawn - he doesn't need permission
I remember an argument years back. The license goon said " you've got a airel up" my response "I've got milk in fridge but it don't mean i own a cow" now I've got 2 words and the seconds OFF.
It’s crazy they do this. I cancelled mine and I’ve had no issues with tv license But my parents have been bothered so much. They think that elderly people aren’t savvy so will fall for their nonsense, but my parents are extremely savvy. A guy came up and said he had an appointment with my dad (now my mum knows all my dad’s appointments as she is his carer). So she asked who he was, he said tv license. She told him to politely leave the premises then closed the door In his face
Basically they are saying, tough, we dont give a shit. we dont believe you dont watch live TV,we will show up whenever we want.we are above the law,and we will happily stoop to any level to get your money.Its 100% harrassment and a case needs to be brought to court to put them in their place once and for all.
Its not them, its the law writers. Complete nonsense not fit for purpose. Unless the law is the art of using words that can later be changed to do some other purpose
@@stuartbrown8259 They imprison people (mostly women) for non-payment of the Fine for not paying the TV Tax. You are correct about not imprisoning people for not paying for the licence but they do imprison for the result of not paying the licence.
Living in the US, I find the whole BBC licensing scheme to be problematic. If the BBC still wishes to raise revenue from its subscribers, perhaps they need to encode the signal and have subscribers rent decoder boxes much like what I have for my satellite TV service. I also don't think that the BBC should have the right to restrict watchers of other TV services.
They were successfully sued a while ago, but it was, legally speaking, not binding for their future actions. About a year ago, there was talk of another legal action in Scotland, but it has gone very quiet. Suing is expensive, and you might not win.
Honestly let them just waste their money! I don't need or pay for a TV license but I deliberately haven't informed them for this reason. The more money they give to Crapita the quicker they will need to move to a subscription model.
Same here I just cancelled the Direct debit years ago. Loads of letters, 1 goon visit later, as far as I'm aware the TV works perfectly without paying for a licence. Personally, I don't watch any TV whatsoever, however, the missus will switch it on, and I think it's netflix she watches.
I, too, haven't bothered to inform them after letting my DD lapse. I have had a TV license on and off, but have never actually needed one for any reason for at least 15 years.
The good news in Scotland is they can't turn up at your door and demand entry, They have to apply to the Procurator Fiscal for a warrant. The P F. does not as a rule grant them a warrant as easily as the English system seems to do. 13:11
yes. great to see daniel understanding whats required amid the unlawfulness of the legal system but unfortunately he IS still bound by his crown corporation oath which is in itself unlawful meaning he and others are slaves to the bar and must bend to it in order to 'practice'.
I would call it harrisment. Last time i spoke to TV licensing, they tried to tell me that i need a tv licensing for youtube, i then ask so when i do a live do my viewers need a license to watch my content when i am live, they said YES i then asked for a kickback as if my viewers need a licence then TV icensing need to pay me a royalty. they then hung up on me with no reply to my last question.
@@RussellTurner some countries DO have a 'mandatory' 'broadcasting levy' which everyone HAS to pay regardless if they watch any tv, listen to any radio, etc. or not, you can bet they'll eventually do similar here, we're just tax cash cows to them....
I left a tenancy to move in with my then girlfriend that had her own TV licence, when i tried to cancel my TV licence they would not accept emails dissolving my tenancy agreement from my landlord as evidence to cancel my TV licence. So you cannot just cancel it online unless they agree with your evidence for cancellation. It took another 2 months when i got a letter from Council confirming I was no longer a tenant and a rebate of overpaid council tax to convince them I no longer needed a licence at that address. This is not made easy and is an affront of civil liberties.
I got one of their letters in a red envelope last week. Is it a merry Christmas envelope or a nasty warning upgrade envelope? I DONT watch tv only youtube, kodi and dvds on it. How does this work in my favour?
More than ten years ago I moved house, and changed address on my TV licence. I then started to get the threatening letters, even though I had a valid licence. I called several times got apologies and assurances that the letters would stop, they didn't, more phone calls and more threatening letters later, I asked if I only watched pre recorded DVDs did I need a licence I was told no, so told them where to stick it. The letters stopped for 1 year then started again and I still get them. The bbc and TV licencing are just a bunch of biased bullies. Thank you Bbb for pointing out the corrupt illegal nature of this letter. God bless you
I used to respect the BBC. I even had notions of working for them as an audio engineer, but for various reasons it never happened. No longer. They are abysmal. I just wish that there were other radio channels without adverts.
"The tone will be stronger" could be that they've refilled the cartridge in the printer and the type face will a more have black in it than in previous letters.
The BBC, along with ITV, Channel4, and Channel 5, collectively own the carrier, Freeview, effectively operating it as a monopoly. This makes ITV et al just as culpable for the TV licencing scam operating in the UK. Thus the TV licencing laws are a stitch-up collaboration between the TV companies, and the government. But it's all ok, as long as you don't watch live tv or use iPlayer, you don't need to pay. All I'm now waiting for is Nigel Farage to live up to his promise to state this precisely like this in the House of Commons! This would give the signal to millions of people that it is ok to stop watching live TV and to stop paying the licence fee.
I also removed right of access and told them that if they continue to send me letters they agree to pay a processing charge of £30 per letter. So far I haven't had any further letters.
You will get them eventually, unfortunately your £30 fee is not enforceable, but it probably should be when we consider if someone lives to be 80, they've probably spent a year of that putting junk mail in the bin.
The easiest and best way to deal with this is just to ignore the letters and visits. I cancelled my licence in March 2020 and started getting letters two years later, I get one a month. I used to open and keep them but after a while they start getting repetitive so they now just go straight in the recycling bin. They never have my name on them so they are irrelevant to me. I've never had a doorstep visit.
@@memitim171 Especially, when their envelopes are pre printed TV Licencing, so, you know exactly who it's from beforehand and makes the decision to recycle it much simpler!!!
I grew up in a house without electricity in Scotland. My mother lived there until the late 1990s still without electricity. Some time around 1990 the TV Licence starting sending her letters about not having a TV Licence. After a lot of toing and froing they eventually sent someone to check if she had a TV. As she was living on her I think she was quite happy to entertain him. Anyway after a cup of tea and biscuits and having seen the gas lights, paraffin lamps and candles he decided that she didn't have a TV.
Did your mom have a radio. A receiver requires a license to listen. At least in Ireland. The receiving of radio TV signals requires a license. Telecommunications Act. 🇮🇪🇪🇺
I'm so glad I don't fund this fiasco. They send me a red letter every month at license payers expense. I'm not concerned whether they use harsh language, but I do think it's a disgrace that more vulnerable people have to endure their harassment.
The tv licensing agents are very good a ringing your doorbell at meal times (when you the adult are most likely to be making the dinner) & if your under 16 year old child comes to the door asking them questions about their viewing habits. I personally know someone who was fined £2000 because their child (8 year old child) told the licensing agents that they watched a particular show on the BBC after being questioned without parental consent. This happened in Scotland.
Got a red envelope today, tv threats despite not responding to any previous letters, I'm not paying an incestuous, bias, pedophile club, it's my moral choice.
I watch prime, Netflix, RUclips. I might now and again, watch on demand TV programs once in a while but never anything from BBC or it's abysmal catch up TV. My five televisions all work perfectly well without a license.
You can bet they will assume you watch live TV if TV sellers still have to inform them if you have bought a new TV, perhaps with smart/free view features built in.
@@ade7163 I don’t think sellers have to inform them any more. Plus a smart tv still needs a signal for watching actual tv stations eg an aerial or a TiVo box or similar. Also even though the smart tv may have a built in iplayer app I don’t think you can access it without a code from your tv licence ( tho I might be wrong about that),.
My read of this is that they are losing a lot of people and revenue. So they are having to play harder and looser with their enforcement mechanisms. It’s a sign of desperation.
these companies should be charged with harrassment in my book...they follow you, they intimidate with letters,,,emails, etc....these people cause real harm. great work bbb.
So beautifully explained. Thank you. I’ve haven’t had a TV license since 1994 and they still contact me periodically at least once a year. What a waste of resources.
Some people have this weird thing about being contacted, I once worked for a company who sent out a lot of emails and they'd receive countless requests asking them to stop, which I never really understood. My time is valuable, so if I receive an unwanted email, I don't contact the sender and I don't attempt to unsubscribe, I just block them and it baffles me that everyone doesn't do the same.
@@memitim171 I am with Gmail for emails and I have looked several times previously but I cannot find any way of blocking receipt of incoming emails using Gmail, so I wonder how you manage to block receipt of these? Perhaps you are with a different provider which allows this? I can block phone calls and sms messages on my devices but not incoming emails! Regards, Brent Collins.
My father out right refused to buy a TV licence because it was free for everyone around the world except us, so I carried on his tradition and have never paid or watched the BBC
They'll ask to look at your phone, and then try saying you watch live shit on the phone. There like paedos or police, always looking for a way to abuse ya
@@DeiagonismSr Sorry l meant that there is a law that forces people to pay that watch BBC, also l was today years old when l realised you don't have to pay xD
I told them about 8 years ago I didnt need one. About six months ago I got my first email from them. I went to complete it and then thought 'hang on, I have NEVER told them my email' So I ignored it.
If someone writes to me and say “If you don’t do as I suggest I will become stronger👀” That to me seems a threat⁉️ and my automatic SAFETY barriers come up.
I just fall over laughing, but I bet it's really scary if you are one of those special people who believe words are violence. (I'm not implying you are btw)
ohh that reminds me I need to contact DVLA and tell them I don't require a HGV license and the Police to tell them I don't require a firearms license. Can you imagine having to contact every company you don't want the services off to tell them you don't want their services. Blank your address and the return to sender address and write on the letter return to sender, this then goes to Ireland to be opened they then send it to TV licensing and charge them for it.
It doesn't work like that, Capita on behalf of the BBC have a set agreement with Royal Mail, as regards the costs. So there is no return to sender fee that needs to be paid by them.
@@stuartbrown8259 Ohh I was told by somebody working high up in management in the rugby sorting office this is what happens. Of coarse its a set price but I would rather them all be inconvenienced as the Post office are complicit in this for their pare.
@stevvieb Oh please don't, I'm a postman, and I hate delivering them. Tbh, it doesn't inconvenience RM, anymore, same as anything post wise they have to return. Gets shoved in sacks, and delivered back to them, same as a normal delivery to them. They don't actually have a department dealing with it. Don't get me wrong, I expect they have a dedicated post person with a van, in the Darlington Office, as according to the return address, that's where it is. Makes no difference to the running of Royal Mail, after all they are just a business, out to make money. Or indeed, me being very cynical, it wouldn't surprise me if, any mail that is for return to sender for the TV licence, doesn't even get returned to them? Probably removed by either a recycling company, or it goes to get incinerated. Perhaps if someone from the Darlington Office watches or sees this, they might provide more information? I don't know, but I'm sure whatever happens, it's factored into the contract they have with each other. One thing I would be sure of, is Capita/ TV licencing won't be bearing any additional costs IF they are returned.
I recently had to deal with TV licensing due to a death in the family. Despite not having a tv licence in a decade they still sent out intimidating letters trying to push you towards getting a licence or you could opt out for another year. I tried multiple ways of contacting an actual person to say the one they are trying to contact is no longer with us, but alas I found I have more chance of bringing them back to life than getting through to an actual person to end the harassment. In the end I had to just use the reference number to opt someone no longer with us out for another year. Even in death these parasites hound you, then we have the socialists wanting to tax every asset rather than allow anyone to pass it on to their loved ones to make their lives a little bit easier. Socialists literally steal the pennies from dead people’s eyes.
Who pays for TV 😂😂😂. Get a fire stick or cube . Don't down load Kodi or Any of the stream apps that give you everything from sports all around the world, all the latest films and TV series. Don't go on RUclips to find out how to download it .on the stick /cube . Good luck ! Not doing that !
I cancelled my licence four years ago thanks to Chili Jon Carne. It was easily done. I refused to tell them I no longer required one when the two years expired. The letters have arrived. I read them, laugh, then shred them.
Very interesting. I remember the old TV detector vans driving around the streets. They turned up at a friend of mine one night saying, you are watching the BBC and have no licence. He invited them in to show them he didn't even have a TV. All this TV licence stuff in this day and age should be dumped. Fine when your only choice was Auntie Beeb. But once independent channels started appearing with adverts, it should have gone. Same for radio. Adverts were a novelty when they first came out. Now people pay extra not to watch them. So many changes.
It's interesting to watch, as I used to live in England. Here in Australia, where you seem to need a licence for everything, I was surprised to learn there is no licensing requirement for receiving radio or TV broadcasts by the national broadcaster. I happily wired Australian plugs onto the small appliances Id brought with me, hairdryer etc, to be told by a work colleague it's illegal, one is supposed to get a licensed electrician. Imagine my mirth when I'd been wiring plugs for years in England. 😅
@@quantisedspace7047 Yes he does mean that, as well as changing a tap washer in some States. Certified cabler is required to install data cabling, making your own patch cables is also taboo.
Imagine my Shock when coming from New Zealand to Australia to find something my old mum did regularly, change leaking tap washers , was only to be done by licenced plumbers. Same as changing plugs on extension leads and many other nitpickingly idiotic bureaucratic creations . But then,many don't realise that Australia is the only democracy which doesn't have a written bill of rights and successive governments since 1901 refuse to allow a bill of rights to be written into law.
Binned the TV in 2015 (best thing I ever did) acquired a new property in 2020, correctly informed the BBC that I don't require a licence and have received a monthly threat ever since. There are about 5 differing types of letter, the most appalling is the one with a clear section on the envelope were it states you are under investigation, clearly there to intimidate and embarrass. Water of a ducks back to me but someone more elderly and vulnerable would find it quite upsetting. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour.
I have an unoccupied house in the UK, informed the licence authority house was empty with no TV, later received a letter that didn't ask a question but made a statement, that I was committing a criminal offence. I sent a registered letter to them stating this was a factual error and liable, copied to my lawyer, I haven't had any correspondence since
3:00 I believe we refer to the concept of "downloading" a live program as "streaming", BBC seems to love using vague word-soup to intimidate and scare vulnerable people who don't necessarily understand these terms into paying the fee "just in case".
"download" requires that the entire program is already fully produced and stored on the server, usually at least several days ago. If the entirety isn't available at the point on starts, it isn't a download.
Why bother communicating with them. Pointless. No contact whatsoever. No withdrawal of access. No telling them you don’t need a license. The only communication is “ no thank you “ as you shut the door in their face
This is such a wonderful piece of promotional literature from the BBC. Do they really think threats will increase people's respect for them? When did the government's public service assume authoritarian thuggery was an acceptable form of government?
This stuff is so bizarre to me. I genuinely don't have a TV, but I'll be damned if I let some jobsworth nosy parker into my house. For a few years I just binned the letters unopened, and the one time someone came to the door I told him to get off my property or be put off. Haven't heard from them since.
Following you previous videos, I wrote to TV licensing to remove the implied right of access The response was more compliant with the law than the letter featured here. However, I also submitted a data subject access request, to which TV Licensing has failed to respond altogether. I''m considering whether to lodge a complaint against TV Licensing with the Data Protection Registrar.
Personally I wouldn't waste my time, they do have the right to charge a fee for a SAR, so that's usually the response you get from most companies. If you're feeling vindictive however, the fine for not responding is quite hefty...
BBB..... how is it lawful or legal for a Corporation to bombard with continuous letters and threats to purchase their products when they've been told they're not wanted....... The answer is IT'S NOT Lawfulor Legal.... Yet they get away with it.
Thank you so much. I have now cancelled my TV licence. I have no TV but I watch downloaded programmes occasionally on my iPad and thought I should pay. This 84 year old basic pensioner I really thank you.
It's never really expanded. It's not "anything you do with your TV." Just watching any BBC content or watching live stuff from any TV channel subject to OfCom. Use of one's TV for watching DVDs (even those from the BBC) is perfectly license-free, for example,
I've been in court twice! Because they kept sending me those letters when I changed the address and told me I didn't pay the licence while I wasn't even living there! Waste of time and resources not only for me, but for the court!
In Scottland, the law states the following To maintain a degree of privacy, the law provides that access rights do not extend to houses and gardens. This is a difficult line to draw and is often a question of fact and degree. The law prohibits access over, in relation to a house, sufficient adjacent land to enable persons living there to have reasonable measures of privacy in that house or place and to ensure that their enjoyment of that house or place is not unreasonably disturbed. For example, private gardens or landscaped policies.
Since leaving the parental home, aged 22, I have lived TV licence free. I am now in my 70s. I do not watch off-air broadcasts, but since the advent of Internet catch-up, have availed myself of a few download products of the non-BBC main TV channels. I ignore all letters and visiting vampire BBC salesmen. I see no need to limit anyone's implied right of access to my property. Indeed, insofar as TV Licensing is concerned, doing so might increase its zeal. I have no desire to interact with the BBC or its agents or consume any of its products or licenced activities.
My husband works away and stays in his flat Monday - Thursday. He has no TV informed TV licensing of this on 3 separate occasions. He constantly gets letters staying they are going to turn up and inspect his flat. Each letter the wording has got stronger. He is fed up of informing them he had no TV etc.
The letters are quite threatening and nasty, how is it legal for them to threaten you by these awful letters, I don’t have a tv I’ve filled out there form online for 4 yrs now but before they got quite arrogant in their wording especially the ones in the red envelope.
Here’s one for everybody…. If you need a TV license in the UK , how come people in other countries still legally access BBC TV programs ???? How many millions of people watched Top Gear from abroad??? BBC world service???? BBC radio???? BBC News???? Yep exactly!!!!!!
@@JohnSmith-x3y8h Channel 4 also has Ads but we're still supposed to get a licence to watch it. But having said that, I watch a couple of Japanese programmes that are pay-to-view in Japan but can be watched online free-of-charge if you're accessing them from other countries - so the stupid rules aren't exclusive to the UK.
The broadcasters pay to air BBC programmes. Some broadcasters fund the productions (such as some PBS TV stations in the US) others buy the rights post production. How the foreign broadcasters generate revenue to pay for the usage is their own affair.
The broadcasters pay to air BBC programmes. Some broadcasters fund the productions (such as some PBS TV stations in the US) others buy the rights post production. How the foreign broadcasters generate revenue to pay for the usage is their own affair.
Thank you, Mr. Shensmith. This was, as ever, very useful and interesting. Many of us do, of course, live in properties which do not have a front garden, pathway, driveway, etc. but have a front door opening straight onto the pavement.
When i cancelled mine, it was all ok. Then i moved! The letter i got was more of the lines we have been checking your area your house as flagged for live tv without a licence, you have till the 4th of september.to buy your tv licence! So i called them explained i have a tv but only watch netflix and youtube... she like do u watch live streamers! I was like i am 39 not a 12 year old mr beast fan! She asked y i didnt want 1, i said i dont fancy paying you lot peados money when they need to be in jail! The whole tv licence needs to be scraped x
IF WE GO TO COURT, WHAT PART OF THE LAW ARE THEY USING TO SAY THEY HAVE TECHNICAL PROOF WE WERE WATCHING, BUT DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW, AS THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO DESIGN A EAY TO EVADE DETECTION? HOW CAN A BARRISTER DEFEND, IF HE CANT GET ACCESS TO HOW THE CRIME WAS DETECTED???
They need to get the fake Detector Vans out again with the BBC logos and pulsating pictures of aerials shooting out TV Signals. Inside you would have a cabinet with a little circular green screen and a board with dials. They were detecting you! There were very bad boys with their Chopper bikes who used to go around and ram potatoes up and into their exhaust pipes and ride off behind the garages and eat cola cubes before they came back from the flats they had 'detected' and had gone up to with a clipboard.
I will just say one thing only that is not true because if it was then they would still use my name if 1 writing to me but not with my name on then they are not writing to know 1 that is fact which is some thing the council do to write to the occupier but I know they letters with tv licence they are easy to stop & you just put the letters in the bin if they used the Electoral roll then they would white to me with my name on it that is fact & true
I received similar letter, apart from the right of access part, and glad you have confirmed my feeling that it wasn't totally correct, and a little bit intimidating, thank you Daniel for the legal input
I've been licence-free for 5 years now. Last notified them on moving house in May 2023, so about 18 months ago. Literally just received an email seeking confirmation of my status... which seems a good six months early to me! The email is full of grammatical howlers, like starting a sentence with "or", which annoys me! 😢😢😅😅 But it also includes this sentence: "If this [previous status of no need for a licence] has changed please buy a TV Licence or confirm you don’t need one." This explicitly states I only need to confirm my status to them _if my circumstances have changed_ ...and since they haven't, I clearly don't need to bother confirming anything with them. So I shan't. 😅 I hope this isn't the start of an avalanche of reminder emails. I shall be annoyed if it is, since I've had five years of blissful silence on the matter up to now. I will re-confirm next May when my two years is up, but early reminders about things I haven't forgotten I don't need do and will annoy me.
Until someone takes them to court to get these threat-o-grams stopped then they will always send them out and say whatever they like in them whether lawful or not. I reported them to police once who took the report as blackmail right up until they found out it was from TVL, then all of a sudden it wasn't blackmail anymore !! And I literally received my monthly threat-o-gram letter this morning in their red envelope which I just files with the other 58 letters I have so far.
The rsoles have no implied right of access if you remove it . Tell them to get a warrant, which magistrates will not grant unless there are very good grounds to issue one.
I called the local court some years ago after having received a visit. I was told there needs to be a 'warrant hearing' before they can be issued with a search warrant. I doubt that has ever happened. Too much trouble and too expensive.
Smart TV's should be made able to block live TV out of the box. They could also be made to query a BBC licencing web site to allow it. The DVLC has a website that shows if your car is insured and has a MOT. It's 2024 for heavens sake
Yes, but you're missing the point. The BBC don't care about "real customers paying their way". They care about "having captive customers". It's all about making sure people are forced to watch the BBC, not that they should pay for it,
I have a Roku streamer which came preloaded with BBC and ITV. I deleted both off the streamer. I also deleted Sky News and any other app that might be considered live . I only use Netflix, Roku, Deekoo. I have no time anyway for all the rest.
The letter is designed to scare people into paying 170 quid whether they watch telly or not. I recieved one, I'd only started renting in August and the letter claimed they had sent one previously and since they hadn't recieved any money they were now escalating it to sending enforcement officers to the address. Pretty incredible.
I have a neighbour who used to wander through my garden for whatever reason and I was told that under the wonderful Scottish Land Reform Act there was nothing that could be done, even wandering through my land at night including garden and land near my house. If he wanted to wander through the land as long as he did no harm to animals then I guess fair enough, but close to the house at night I did not appreciate, but unless I had definite proof he was up to no good there was nothing that could be done.
@A.G.T.A.G. you are right it doesn't extend to your house but as my property has a farm code according to the rules I don't actually have a garden as it is classed as agricultural land and anyone can walk up to the property but not inside. However I have found this person in outbuildings but as they are not secured, again nothing could be done. Personally all TV licence communication goes in the bin and if they do come to the door I politely say no thankyou and close the door.
Funny I wrote to the BBC 50 years ago and they kindly wrote back to me saying that I would not need a licence. Since then they have been sending me threatening & harassing letters every month of every year. I would love to be a test case against them.
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Ignore the letters.
Ignore the salesmen. (And Women.)
Just close the door.
& be actively telling everyone you know to cancel their licence, we should not give money to a corperation that encourages pedophilia.
@@NigelBurton-qy2pfYes..if one isn't required by legislation.
@@NigelBurton-qy2pf yes, exactly..i do...... not had a TV since 2019...best thing i ever did..BBC rubbish !!
Just ignore these goons, they are sales goons employed by crapita and are commission driven
Spot on.
Nearly four years happily licence-free. I will never give the BBC a penny ever again 😊.
@@chrisbuxton1958 nope. Me neither....don't need a TV
Under my bed collecting dust 😆
Not had one for 40 year's phuck'em
@@Nook747 Same.
67 years old never had one.
I was until I started getting emails telling me I need to reconfirm my decision. There's a couple of trick questions to catch you out, which you're allowed to correct, once you've discovered your errors. I recently received confirmation that I don't need to buy a licence (again). I will be 75 soon, and so this nonsense should stop. I think the more vulnerable old people will just 'cough up'. What a harsh government we are now living under.
My Mother in law is terrified of 'authority'. Many people of her age (late 80s) were brought up this way - but as she has got older she has lost the confidence to either question or scrutinise. This makes her and many thousands of OAPs like her very vulnerable to being scammed. She was duped recently into getting insurance at 20 quid a month for a 5 year old fridge. When I questioned why she did this she said "I didn't want to get into trouble!", tears streaming down her face. These are the people the BBC goons are targetting with visits and letters like this.
Yes, my mother passed and father stopped watching TV so no point keeping it. 14 letters in 4 months, 12 of which were in the first 3, they are intimidating the elderly especially into continuing to pay, even if they’ve stopped watching their men are woman of the year nonsense. That’s how bad it’s got. Can’t get them to watch it but they’ll try scaring us into paying anyway. The bully state
That makes me sad.
I'm 77 I understand your mother in law I'm a bit like her I'm afraid to cancel tv tax
@@Maggy47do it. do you want to continue to fund them and their corruption?
They only have 'authority' if you give it to them. Just don't talk to them. Stats show the majority of people taken to court for tv licence are women.
After losing the free license I have not paid the bbc. I get a letter approximately every month which goes straight into the bin. I’m 87 and not scared of these people
Same here, the letters all go straight in the bin.
Good on you
❤
i get the same letter. I never open them now.
I also have one every month, it amuses me , they don’t scare me either . I have kept them all as proof of monthly demanding money with menaces .
When my father died I had to deal with TV licencing. They ended up informing me that they would suspend the letters chasing him for a licence for 6 months but would be chasing him again after that. When I pointed out that that would mean he would be resurrected then I would happily pay the licence myself if he came back from the dead the agent finally realised how ridiculous it was
you have a strong case for legal action i worked at a bank and it was a huge nono sending letters to dead people
I cannot believe they would be so awful! This is disgusting 😡😡😡
While just asking for a new subscription, some magazine my grandfather had subscribed to was STILL sending letters 30 years after his death. For all I know they are still sending letters to that address, where at this point there is no longer anyone living there related to him. My dad had tried to inform them at first, but ultimately gave up and just started chucking them.
@@professorhaystacks6606we received a predictions mailing forc my deceased mother including predictions after her dearh, with an invoice - we refused to pay on the basis it was faulty goods and they were welcome to come and collect/provide mailing to return them. Funnily we never did hear from them again...
@@susanboswell6428I’m still getting letters four years after both my parents passed!
I cancelled the other day and the phone call was disgusting. They were really aggressive and constantly lied about the legal requirement for a licence. Criminals!
Why ring them up? Do you ring a shop to say you're not shopping with them anymore?
@MikeEves very true, they don't deserve it, but I was fighting for my rebate.
@MikeEves if you pay by direct debit, you are likely to be paying up to six months in advance that's obviously nice refund if you phone up and cancel. But yes I agree no law says you have to inform them 😊
@@timtynan4204 My old Dad always had a TV licence. He went into a care Home, and i was left dealing with all his affairs...The only company that refused to give my old Dad a rebate, was...yep, you got it..THE TV LICENCE PEOPLE 😅
@@laceandwhisky Six Months advance? NOT A FUCKING CHANCE
"The tone of our letters will become stronger" can easily be interpreted as more threatening.....
Maybe, but the way I read it is as an admission that "strong words" is all they have.
Email their customer services and ask if this is a threat! 😉
Andremind them that coerced consent or consent under durress is legally no consent at all.
Or else what hand blix?
Or else, we will be very angry with you, and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are!
Reads like a blatant threat to me.
I got my first TV licencing letter this morning. Let the ignoring begin
Keep a note of which fictional character "signs" it and how their job title changes with every letter. There's a soap opera waiting to written about this...🤣
@@MrHws5mp I have a Customer Services Director no less
Good luck collecting your love letters , I got one every 6 to 8 weeks for the last 12 years and still awaiting a visit !
@@mac351c 11 years here. No visits, despite an investigation being "opened" or "escalated" at least a dozen times.👍
I told them early this year that my property was empty. They are due to start sending letters again early next year. I shall start returning them marked something like "Threatening letters not accepted".
They simply refused to accept my call as a complaint. Utter arrogance.
If a plumber or an electrician went to someone's home and told them falsely that they were legal required to have work done, they would be committing an offense. Surely the same should apply to TV licensing officials. I had one come to my house about 10 years ago and tell me I was legally required to buy a TV licence, without asking if I watch TV.
I'd like see them walk away from my mates house if they tried that scam on.
I was thinking about the same kind of thing but about what if tradesmen got the law wrong like the police?
not only harassment but a threat too
"you've also requested to withdraw our implied right of access"
It's not up to the homeowner to request, the homeowner has stated that he HAS wihdrawn - he doesn't need permission
The letter is so badly written, If this was an email it would be screaming out "scam".
Probably DEI in action.
English is not a popular language to study in the Mosk.
@@Mercmad Mosk 😂
I remember an argument years back. The license goon said " you've got a airel up" my response "I've got milk in fridge but it don't mean i own a cow" now I've got 2 words and the seconds OFF.
Brilliant response
My response would have been" Yes I know there an ariel up there, its strapped to a chimney and I dont use that either".
Just say it’s a glorified coat hanger or something like a clothes drier!
😂😂
Feel free to take it down ,as I'm not going to take it down to make you feel better about yourself.
It’s crazy they do this.
I cancelled mine and I’ve had no issues with tv license
But my parents have been bothered so much. They think that elderly people aren’t savvy so will fall for their nonsense, but my parents are extremely savvy.
A guy came up and said he had an appointment with my dad (now my mum knows all my dad’s appointments as she is his carer). So she asked who he was, he said tv license. She told him to politely leave the premises then closed the door In his face
Basically they are saying, tough, we dont give a shit. we dont believe you dont watch live TV,we will show up whenever we want.we are above the law,and we will happily stoop to any level to get your money.Its 100% harrassment and a case needs to be brought to court to put them in their place once and for all.
File a class action lawsuit, and shut these people down thru the courts, permanently.
Its not them, its the law writers. Complete nonsense not fit for purpose.
Unless the law is the art of using words that can later be changed to do some other purpose
In the UK this would be called a 'Group Litigation Order (GLO)'.
The UK should abolish TV license laws. It's unjust & costs too much to police & imprison people for not paying for their license.
They don't imprison people for non payment of said TV licence.
But how else will they feed the Soma to the masses? Through food and drink? Don't think my britta filter would remove such things...
@@stuartbrown8259 yes they do. Most of the women in prison in the UK are in prison for not paying their TV license.
@@stuartbrown8259 They imprison people (mostly women) for non-payment of the Fine for not paying the TV Tax. You are correct about not imprisoning people for not paying for the licence but they do imprison for the result of not paying the licence.
@@stuartbrown8259 I don't pay for a TV licence. Where is my jail sentence?
The absolute worst part about all of this is that even TV Licensing don't know their own rules 100%!!
Living in the US, I find the whole BBC licensing scheme to be problematic. If the BBC still wishes to raise revenue from its subscribers, perhaps they need to encode the signal and have subscribers rent decoder boxes much like what I have for my satellite TV service. I also don't think that the BBC should have the right to restrict watchers of other TV services.
Human rights?😅
In America do you have to pay any subscription service to watch any BBC channels?
@@bakedbeans9546 As far as I know, BBC programs are only found on subscription channels in the US.
These letters are pure harrasment.... surely there is a legal recourse for this ? 🤬
They were successfully sued a while ago, but it was, legally speaking, not binding for their future actions.
About a year ago, there was talk of another legal action in Scotland, but it has gone very quiet. Suing is expensive, and you might not win.
Honestly let them just waste their money! I don't need or pay for a TV license but I deliberately haven't informed them for this reason. The more money they give to Crapita the quicker they will need to move to a subscription model.
Same here I just cancelled the Direct debit years ago. Loads of letters, 1 goon visit later, as far as I'm aware the TV works perfectly without paying for a licence. Personally, I don't watch any TV whatsoever, however, the missus will switch it on, and I think it's netflix she watches.
I, too, haven't bothered to inform them after letting my DD lapse. I have had a TV license on and off, but have never actually needed one for any reason for at least 15 years.
The good news in Scotland is they can't turn up at your door and demand entry,
They have to apply to the Procurator Fiscal for a warrant. The P F. does not as
a rule grant them a warrant as easily as the English system seems to do.
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@@edwardhowie6102 Warrants in England and Wales are exceptionally rare too.
I haven't watched "live" TV for years,I have RUclips in-built into my TV,and I'm not connected to my TV Arial,so happy days
Well done. Old school bully tactics need to be quashed! Please lead the way in your indomitable style!
yes. great to see daniel understanding whats required amid the unlawfulness of the legal system but unfortunately he IS still bound by his crown corporation oath which is in itself unlawful meaning he and others are slaves to the bar and must bend to it in order to 'practice'.
I would call it harrisment. Last time i spoke to TV licensing, they tried to tell me that i need a tv licensing for youtube, i then ask so when i do a live do my viewers need a license to watch my content when i am live, they said YES i then asked for a kickback as if my viewers need a licence then TV icensing need to pay me a royalty. they then hung up on me with no reply to my last question.
The guys on the phones have no idea of the law
Class 😂
I would spell correctly!
They all do it. I've had problems with Scottish power, and chased them out of my street. Scumbags !!!
@@andyxox4168ok school teacher
I've heard that they're looking at aboloshing the llicense & replacing it with a 'Broadband Tax'. I wouldn't give them the dew off my middle wicket!
We already pay VAT on that.
What worries me is that they abolish the fee, don’t do a subscription model then collect it through general taxation.
@@RussellTurner some countries DO have a 'mandatory' 'broadcasting levy' which everyone HAS to pay regardless if they watch any tv, listen to any radio, etc. or not, you can bet they'll eventually do similar here, we're just tax cash cows to them....
I left a tenancy to move in with my then girlfriend that had her own TV licence, when i tried to cancel my TV licence they would not accept emails dissolving my tenancy agreement from my landlord as evidence to cancel my TV licence. So you cannot just cancel it online unless they agree with your evidence for cancellation. It took another 2 months when i got a letter from Council confirming I was no longer a tenant and a rebate of overpaid council tax to convince them I no longer needed a licence at that address. This is not made easy and is an affront of civil liberties.
demanding money with menaces.
That's how mafia behaves...
@ShirleyValentine-st3qg does this mafia lean on MPs and pay off people to maintain this racket ?
My thoughts exactly.
That's the definition of "extortion". 👍
All the money they get and they can't even employ someone to compile a lawful letter
None of it is lawful, it's all a scam.
Rumour has it that the last competent candidate didn't fit the DEI quota.
I got one of their letters in a red envelope last week. Is it a merry Christmas envelope or a nasty warning upgrade envelope? I DONT watch tv only youtube, kodi and dvds on it. How does this work in my favour?
They are good at creating PDF files though.
But they have plenty for pedophiles
More than ten years ago I moved house, and changed address on my TV licence. I then started to get the threatening letters, even though I had a valid licence. I called several times got apologies and assurances that the letters would stop, they didn't, more phone calls and more threatening letters later, I asked if I only watched pre recorded DVDs did I need a licence I was told no, so told them where to stick it. The letters stopped for 1 year then started again and I still get them. The bbc and TV licencing are just a bunch of biased bullies. Thank you Bbb for pointing out the corrupt illegal nature of this letter. God bless you
I used to respect the BBC. I even had notions of working for them as an audio engineer, but for various reasons it never happened. No longer. They are abysmal. I just wish that there were other radio channels without adverts.
"The tone will be stronger" could be that they've refilled the cartridge in the printer and the type face will a more have black in it than in previous letters.
The BBC, along with ITV, Channel4, and Channel 5, collectively own the carrier, Freeview, effectively operating it as a monopoly. This makes ITV et al just as culpable for the TV licencing scam operating in the UK. Thus the TV licencing laws are a stitch-up collaboration between the TV companies, and the government. But it's all ok, as long as you don't watch live tv or use iPlayer, you don't need to pay. All I'm now waiting for is Nigel Farage to live up to his promise to state this precisely like this in the House of Commons! This would give the signal to millions of people that it is ok to stop watching live TV and to stop paying the licence fee.
I also removed right of access and told them that if they continue to send me letters they agree to pay a processing charge of £30 per letter. So far I haven't had any further letters.
Nice move
You will get them eventually, unfortunately your £30 fee is not enforceable, but it probably should be when we consider if someone lives to be 80, they've probably spent a year of that putting junk mail in the bin.
The easiest and best way to deal with this is just to ignore the letters and visits. I cancelled my licence in March 2020 and started getting letters two years later, I get one a month. I used to open and keep them but after a while they start getting repetitive so they now just go straight in the recycling bin. They never have my name on them so they are irrelevant to me. I've never had a doorstep visit.
RTS then they have to pay.
Yeah, I don't open anything that doesn't have my name on it, if you don't know who I am, then I don't want to know who you are.
@@wideyxyz2271Hahaha. I didn’t think of that.
@@memitim171 Especially, when their envelopes are pre printed TV Licencing, so, you know exactly who it's from beforehand and makes the decision to recycle it much simpler!!!
@@wideyxyz2271 if you do that... scrub out the post office barcode in Orange ink, or it might just get re-delivered a couple of days later.
I grew up in a house without electricity in Scotland. My mother lived there until the late 1990s still without electricity. Some time around 1990 the TV Licence starting sending her letters about not having a TV Licence. After a lot of toing and froing they eventually sent someone to check if she had a TV. As she was living on her I think she was quite happy to entertain him. Anyway after a cup of tea and biscuits and having seen the gas lights, paraffin lamps and candles he decided that she didn't have a TV.
"and as they drove away, she whipped out her iPhone and watched iPlayer!" ;)
🤣
That surprises me. But maybe the warm tea softened his/ her heart (or whatever they have instead of it)
Brilliant. I Would loved to have been there. 🩷
Did your mom have a radio. A receiver requires a license to listen. At least in Ireland. The receiving of radio TV signals requires a license.
Telecommunications Act.
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I'm so glad I don't fund this fiasco. They send me a red letter every month at license payers expense. I'm not concerned whether they use harsh language, but I do think it's a disgrace that more vulnerable people have to endure their harassment.
The tv licensing agents are very good a ringing your doorbell at meal times (when you the adult are most likely to be making the dinner) & if your under 16 year old child comes to the door asking them questions about their viewing habits. I personally know someone who was fined £2000 because their child (8 year old child) told the licensing agents that they watched a particular show on the BBC after being questioned without parental consent. This happened in Scotland.
They will continue to harrass you. It's a mafia shakedown.
Got a red envelope today, tv threats despite not responding to any previous letters, I'm not paying an incestuous, bias, pedophile club, it's my moral choice.
Definitely taking lessons from the mafia. Nothing less than protection money. Pay up or we send the boys round.
I've been license free for over 20 years. The letters do stop eventually after several years, although very occasionally an odd one turns up.
They're just bullies
They're worse than that. They're like a mafia: Their motto is: You pay or ... we will harass you until pay.
Who isn't now a days. Modern Women are the biggest bullies as they crave power over everyone especially the weaker.
I watch prime, Netflix, RUclips. I might now and again, watch on demand TV programs once in a while but never anything from BBC or it's abysmal catch up TV.
My five televisions all work perfectly well without a license.
Me too, plus I watch my vast collection of dvds.
You can bet they will assume you watch live TV if TV sellers still have to inform them if you have bought a new TV, perhaps with smart/free view features built in.
@@ade7163 I don’t think sellers have to inform them any more. Plus a smart tv still needs a signal for watching actual tv stations eg an aerial or a TiVo box or similar. Also even though the smart tv may have a built in iplayer app I don’t think you can access it without a code from your tv licence ( tho I might be wrong about that),.
@@katperson7332 You are correct, you have to use the number on the TV licence to set up BBC Iplayer.
@katperson7332 Yeah I forgot to mention my dvd collection lol. Oh and my video games.
My read of this is that they are losing a lot of people and revenue. So they are having to play harder and looser with their enforcement mechanisms. It’s a sign of desperation.
these companies should be charged with harrassment in my book...they follow you, they intimidate with letters,,,emails, etc....these people cause real harm. great work bbb.
So beautifully explained. Thank you.
I’ve haven’t had a TV license since 1994 and they still contact me periodically at least once a year. What a waste of resources.
It is a waste of resources, but if they want to waste their money its fine by me.
It's unreal isn't it? These nerds be posting a literal forest everyday, and then they have the nerve to tell us to look after the environment.
Every letter they send contains threats to prosecute, and the constant stream of letters is harrassment.
Sounds like a non-crime hate incident, that should be reported to the Police.
Why does anybody EVER, EVER, EVER reply to a letter from TV licensing ????
@@Hickalum scared not to ?
I have a collection of 26 threatening letters addressed to the legal occupier. Silly sausages not getting my details ever.
Yup tell them fcuk all.
Some people have this weird thing about being contacted, I once worked for a company who sent out a lot of emails and they'd receive countless requests asking them to stop, which I never really understood. My time is valuable, so if I receive an unwanted email, I don't contact the sender and I don't attempt to unsubscribe, I just block them and it baffles me that everyone doesn't do the same.
@@memitim171 I am with Gmail for emails and I have looked several times previously but I cannot find any way of blocking receipt of incoming emails using Gmail, so I wonder how you manage to block receipt of these? Perhaps you are with a different provider which allows this? I can block phone calls and sms messages on my devices but not incoming emails! Regards, Brent Collins.
My father out right refused to buy a TV licence because it was free for everyone around the world except us, so I carried on his tradition and have never paid or watched the BBC
These letters are the death throes of The BBC. R.I.P. Aunty, and goodbye….
Don’t have a TV. They keep sending me letters. Can’t wait till they come to my door 😂
Well I have been waiting almost 7 years for tv licence all they send is the letters & they go in the street bin
I think theyve given up sending them to me
Must be about 6 months since i got one
They'll ask to look at your phone, and then try saying you watch live shit on the phone. There like paedos or police, always looking for a way to abuse ya
It's 'til, short version of: until, hence the apostrophe. 😉
Be careful if you have a mobile or computer do not speak to them just say no thank you and shut the door
I can't believe we still have to pay for a TV licence in 2024....
you have to pay to have a licence, but you probably dont need a licence unless you like to watch live TV and use iplayer...
You don't have to lol 😂
We do not have too, Many do not.
@@DeiagonismSr Sorry l meant that there is a law that forces people to pay that watch BBC, also l was today years old when l realised you don't have to pay xD
Imagine complying with corruption .
Tell them nothing. Bin the letters. Ignore and defund the BBC.
BOYCOTT the TV License!!!!
If I require a service, I will ask for it..simple, this is the last time I cancel mine on line the website is an absolute joke 😮
I told them about 8 years ago I didnt need one. About six months ago I got my first email from them. I went to complete it and then thought 'hang on, I have NEVER told them my email' So I ignored it.
@suecharnock9369 ahh..interesting hun..hmmmm
If someone writes to me and say “If you don’t do as I suggest I will become stronger👀” That to me seems a threat⁉️ and my automatic SAFETY barriers come up.
Mafia
Is certainly is a threat...
I just fall over laughing, but I bet it's really scary if you are one of those special people who believe words are violence. (I'm not implying you are btw)
@ShirleyValentine-st3qg Or possibly Jedi ?
ohh that reminds me I need to contact DVLA and tell them I don't require a HGV license and the Police to tell them I don't require a firearms license. Can you imagine having to contact every company you don't want the services off to tell them you don't want their services. Blank your address and the return to sender address and write on the letter return to sender, this then goes to Ireland to be opened they then send it to TV licensing and charge them for it.
It doesn't work like that, Capita on behalf of the BBC have a set agreement with Royal Mail, as regards the costs. So there is no return to sender fee that needs to be paid by them.
@@stuartbrown8259 Ohh I was told by somebody working high up in management in the rugby sorting office this is what happens. Of coarse its a set price but I would rather them all be inconvenienced as the Post office are complicit in this for their pare.
They have unique reference numbers on these letters so they can tell who is responding. At least, that's what I am told.
Some people do everything they are told to do...😅
@stevvieb Oh please don't, I'm a postman, and I hate delivering them. Tbh, it doesn't inconvenience RM, anymore, same as anything post wise they have to return. Gets shoved in sacks, and delivered back to them, same as a normal delivery to them. They don't actually have a department dealing with it. Don't get me wrong, I expect they have a dedicated post person with a van, in the Darlington Office, as according to the return address, that's where it is. Makes no difference to the running of Royal Mail, after all they are just a business, out to make money. Or indeed, me being very cynical, it wouldn't surprise me if, any mail that is for return to sender for the TV licence, doesn't even get returned to them? Probably removed by either a recycling company, or it goes to get incinerated. Perhaps if someone from the Darlington Office watches or sees this, they might provide more information? I don't know, but I'm sure whatever happens, it's factored into the contract they have with each other. One thing I would be sure of, is Capita/ TV licencing won't be bearing any additional costs IF they are returned.
Its such a joke that our own money funds these scammers harassing us for a licence to watch rubbish TV.
Not my money, haven't paid since 2014
I recently had to deal with TV licensing due to a death in the family. Despite not having a tv licence in a decade they still sent out intimidating letters trying to push you towards getting a licence or you could opt out for another year. I tried multiple ways of contacting an actual person to say the one they are trying to contact is no longer with us, but alas I found I have more chance of bringing them back to life than getting through to an actual person to end the harassment. In the end I had to just use the reference number to opt someone no longer with us out for another year. Even in death these parasites hound you, then we have the socialists wanting to tax every asset rather than allow anyone to pass it on to their loved ones to make their lives a little bit easier. Socialists literally steal the pennies from dead people’s eyes.
BBC TV Licence should be abolished and the BBC should become a pay-per-view service.
That would mean they’d have to work at it, that lazy lot are not used to that
Totally correct.
Who pays for TV 😂😂😂.
Get a fire stick or cube .
Don't down load Kodi or Any of the stream apps that give you everything from sports all around the world, all the latest films and TV series.
Don't go on RUclips to find out how to download it .on the stick /cube .
Good luck ! Not doing that !
PPV won't happen because the government would then have to find alternative means to send you their propaganda.
But but, their stars? How will they survive? How will Gary et al survive? Crisp advert revenue? 😂
The burden of bureaucracy is suffocating our society.
It’s destroying our ability to create wealth.
@@arcanekrusader. That’s the general idea. Can’t have the peasants getting above their station.
Daniel you are always useful and entertaining unlike the BBC!🙌👏
I cancelled my licence four years ago thanks to Chili Jon Carne. It was easily done. I refused to tell them I no longer required one when the two years expired. The letters have arrived. I read them, laugh, then shred them.
Very interesting. I remember the old TV detector vans driving around the streets. They turned up at a friend of mine one night saying, you are watching the BBC and have no licence. He invited them in to show them he didn't even have a TV. All this TV licence stuff in this day and age should be dumped. Fine when your only choice was Auntie Beeb. But once independent channels started appearing with adverts, it should have gone. Same for radio. Adverts were a novelty when they first came out. Now people pay extra not to watch them. So many changes.
i dont open anything not addressed to me personally. Straight in the bin.
It's interesting to watch, as I used to live in England. Here in Australia, where you seem to need a licence for everything, I was surprised to learn there is no licensing requirement for receiving radio or TV broadcasts by the national broadcaster. I happily wired Australian plugs onto the small appliances Id brought with me, hairdryer etc, to be told by a work colleague it's illegal, one is supposed to get a licensed electrician. Imagine my mirth when I'd been wiring plugs for years in England. 😅
"illegal" to wire your own plugs, you mean like we were all taught at school ?
@@quantisedspace7047 Yes he does mean that, as well as changing a tap washer in some States. Certified cabler is required to install data cabling, making your own patch cables is also taboo.
I didn't know that, that's crazy!
Imagine my Shock when coming from New Zealand to Australia to find something my old mum did regularly, change leaking tap washers , was only to be done by licenced plumbers. Same as changing plugs on extension leads and many other nitpickingly idiotic bureaucratic creations . But then,many don't realise that Australia is the only democracy which doesn't have a written bill of rights and successive governments since 1901 refuse to allow a bill of rights to be written into law.
@@Mercmad The 1688 Bill of Rights is valid in Australia.
As I know I don't need a TV licence, I've been ignoring the letters for over a decade. I think have never had a visit.
Binned the TV in 2015 (best thing I ever did) acquired a new property in 2020, correctly informed the BBC that I don't require a licence and have received a monthly threat ever since.
There are about 5 differing types of letter, the most appalling is the one with a clear section on the envelope were it states you are under investigation, clearly there to intimidate and embarrass.
Water of a ducks back to me but someone more elderly and vulnerable would find it quite upsetting.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour.
~30 investigations opened, and they still don't know my name. I suspect it's probably bulllshit.
For the record you are not obliged to tell them anything
I have an unoccupied house in the UK, informed the licence authority house was empty with no TV, later received a letter that didn't ask a question but made a statement, that I was committing a criminal offence.
I sent a registered letter to them stating this was a factual error and liable, copied to my lawyer, I haven't had any correspondence since
So... even a licensing letter from the BBC is full of bias and misinformation. Which is exactly why I never watch it and do not need a license myself.
and the very same reason for ignoring BBC News
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I believe we refer to the concept of "downloading" a live program as "streaming", BBC seems to love using vague word-soup to intimidate and scare vulnerable people who don't necessarily understand these terms into paying the fee "just in case".
"download" requires that the entire program is already fully produced and stored on the server, usually at least several days ago. If the entirety isn't available at the point on starts, it isn't a download.
Why bother communicating with them. Pointless. No contact whatsoever. No withdrawal of access. No telling them you don’t need a license. The only communication is “ no thank you “ as you shut the door in their face
Exactly.
Why even open the door to them ?
This is such a wonderful piece of promotional literature from the BBC. Do they really think threats will increase people's respect for them?
When did the government's public service assume authoritarian thuggery was an acceptable form of government?
This stuff is so bizarre to me. I genuinely don't have a TV, but I'll be damned if I let some jobsworth nosy parker into my house. For a few years I just binned the letters unopened, and the one time someone came to the door I told him to get off my property or be put off. Haven't heard from them since.
Following you previous videos, I wrote to TV licensing to remove the implied right of access The response was more compliant with the law than the letter featured here. However, I also submitted a data subject access request, to which TV Licensing has failed to respond altogether. I''m considering whether to lodge a complaint against TV Licensing with the Data Protection Registrar.
Good luck with that as they just like the rest of governmental institutions either are grossly incompetent or just protect the System..
Personally I wouldn't waste my time, they do have the right to charge a fee for a SAR, so that's usually the response you get from most companies. If you're feeling vindictive however, the fine for not responding is quite hefty...
@@memitim171 The right to charge a fee to process a SAR was scrapped. Organisations are now obliged to comply at no charge.
Do it. The more the merrier. The registrar has an obligation to investigate breaches
I used Alarm, Harassment Distress via a Solicitors letter - that was 3 years ago , Nothing heard since
Nice.
BBB..... how is it lawful or legal for a Corporation to bombard with continuous letters and threats to purchase their products when they've been told they're not wanted....... The answer is IT'S NOT Lawfulor Legal.... Yet they get away with it.
Thank you so much. I have now cancelled my TV licence. I have no TV but I watch downloaded programmes occasionally on my iPad and thought I should pay. This 84 year old basic pensioner I really thank you.
Ignore all communications.Never open the door.
I hate how this 'License' keeps expanding to try and cover anything you do on your TV. Soon it will be video games and blurays.
Just ignore them. They can't do sh*t
It's never really expanded. It's not "anything you do with your TV." Just watching any BBC content or watching live stuff from any TV channel subject to OfCom.
Use of one's TV for watching DVDs (even those from the BBC) is perfectly license-free, for example,
No it won’t.
It’s purely about live content …..
...or on your smartphone.
Is blueray still a thing?
I've been in court twice! Because they kept sending me those letters when I changed the address and told me I didn't pay the licence while I wasn't even living there! Waste of time and resources not only for me, but for the court!
Why did you end up in court? did you let them in and talk to them?
What was the outcome in court?
@@robtheplod i dont remember, it was ages ago. i know for sure i didnt tell them im watching a tv because i was not.
@@Martin-88 i didnt pay anything, because i didnt watch a tv.
Defund this tax
Well I don't pay it.
In Scottland, the law states the following
To maintain a degree of privacy, the law provides that access rights do not extend to houses and gardens. This is a difficult line to draw and is often a question of fact and degree.
The law prohibits access over, in relation to a house, sufficient adjacent land to enable persons living there to have reasonable measures of privacy in that house or place and to ensure that their enjoyment of that house or place is not unreasonably disturbed. For example, private gardens or landscaped policies.
Thanks, was looking for this to be laid out somewhere in the comments.
Since leaving the parental home, aged 22, I have lived TV licence free. I am now in my 70s. I do not watch off-air broadcasts, but since the advent of Internet catch-up, have availed myself of a few download products of the non-BBC main TV channels.
I ignore all letters and visiting vampire BBC salesmen.
I see no need to limit anyone's implied right of access to my property. Indeed, insofar as TV Licensing is concerned, doing so might increase its zeal. I have no desire to interact with the BBC or its agents or consume any of its products or licenced activities.
My husband works away and stays in his flat Monday - Thursday. He has no TV informed TV licensing of this on 3 separate occasions. He constantly gets letters staying they are going to turn up and inspect his flat. Each letter the wording has got stronger. He is fed up of informing them he had no TV etc.
Waaaaay?????
The letters are quite threatening and nasty, how is it legal for them to threaten you by these awful letters, I don’t have a tv I’ve filled out there form online for 4 yrs now but before they got quite arrogant in their wording especially the ones in the red envelope.
Here’s one for everybody….
If you need a TV license in the UK , how come people in other countries still legally access BBC TV programs ????
How many millions of people watched Top Gear from abroad???
BBC world service????
BBC radio????
BBC News????
Yep exactly!!!!!!
Most BBC programmes watched from abroad have Ads, so their funding comes from there.
@@JohnSmith-x3y8h Channel 4 also has Ads but we're still supposed to get a licence to watch it. But having said that, I watch a couple of Japanese programmes that are pay-to-view in Japan but can be watched online free-of-charge if you're accessing them from other countries - so the stupid rules aren't exclusive to the UK.
The broadcasters pay to air BBC programmes. Some broadcasters fund the productions (such as some PBS TV stations in the US) others buy the rights post production. How the foreign broadcasters generate revenue to pay for the usage is their own affair.
The broadcasters pay to air BBC programmes. Some broadcasters fund the productions (such as some PBS TV stations in the US) others buy the rights post production. How the foreign broadcasters generate revenue to pay for the usage is their own affair.
Thank you, Mr. Shensmith. This was, as ever, very useful and interesting. Many of us do, of course, live in properties which do not have a front garden, pathway, driveway, etc. but have a front door opening straight onto the pavement.
When i cancelled mine, it was all ok. Then i moved! The letter i got was more of the lines we have been checking your area your house as flagged for live tv without a licence, you have till the 4th of september.to buy your tv licence! So i called them explained i have a tv but only watch netflix and youtube... she like do u watch live streamers! I was like i am 39 not a 12 year old mr beast fan! She asked y i didnt want 1, i said i dont fancy paying you lot peados money when they need to be in jail! The whole tv licence needs to be scraped x
IF WE GO TO COURT, WHAT PART OF THE LAW ARE THEY USING TO SAY THEY HAVE TECHNICAL PROOF WE WERE WATCHING, BUT DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW, AS THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO DESIGN A EAY TO EVADE DETECTION?
HOW CAN A BARRISTER DEFEND, IF HE CANT GET ACCESS TO HOW THE CRIME WAS DETECTED???
They need to get the fake Detector Vans out again with the BBC logos and pulsating pictures of aerials shooting out TV Signals. Inside you would have a cabinet with a little circular green screen and a board with dials. They were detecting you! There were very bad boys with their Chopper bikes who used to go around and ram potatoes up and into their exhaust pipes and ride off behind the garages and eat cola cubes before they came back from the flats they had 'detected' and had gone up to with a clipboard.
Now we know what you got up to as a kid Steve 😂
5:00 They monitor the Electoral Register. When they see someone has moved. Thats how they know things have changed.
and they monitor the purchase of equipment capable of tuning in to them (such as TVs etc...) retail outlets collect and pass on the info
I've lived here for nine years, I'm on the electoral register but they still send letters to "the legal occupier".
In many areas of the UK, the correlation between "electoral register" and "who really lives there" is non-existent.
I will just say one thing only that is not true because if it was then they would still use my name if 1 writing to me but not with my name on then they are not writing to know 1 that is fact which is some thing the council do to write to the occupier but I know they letters with tv licence they are easy to stop & you just put the letters in the bin if they used the Electoral roll then they would white to me with my name on it that is fact & true
@@WillCamxYour name is not "the legal occupier" therefore you should not open the mail. 😊 Isn't it a legal offence to tamper with the Royal Mail?
I received similar letter, apart from the right of access part, and glad you have confirmed my feeling that it wasn't totally correct, and a little bit intimidating, thank you Daniel for the legal input
I've been licence-free for 5 years now. Last notified them on moving house in May 2023, so about 18 months ago. Literally just received an email seeking confirmation of my status... which seems a good six months early to me!
The email is full of grammatical howlers, like starting a sentence with "or", which annoys me! 😢😢😅😅
But it also includes this sentence: "If this [previous status of no need for a licence] has changed please buy a TV Licence or confirm you don’t need one."
This explicitly states I only need to confirm my status to them _if my circumstances have changed_ ...and since they haven't, I clearly don't need to bother confirming anything with them. So I shan't. 😅
I hope this isn't the start of an avalanche of reminder emails. I shall be annoyed if it is, since I've had five years of blissful silence on the matter up to now. I will re-confirm next May when my two years is up, but early reminders about things I haven't forgotten I don't need do and will annoy me.
"The tone of our letters will become stronger" - and my ability to ignore them even more will become stronger.
Until someone takes them to court to get these threat-o-grams stopped then they will always send them out and say whatever they like in them whether lawful or not. I reported them to police once who took the report as blackmail right up until they found out it was from TVL, then all of a sudden it wasn't blackmail anymore !! And I literally received my monthly threat-o-gram letter this morning in their red envelope which I just files with the other 58 letters I have so far.
I'd miss my monthly threat-o-gram. 😂
The rsoles have no implied right of access if you remove it . Tell them to get a warrant, which magistrates will not grant unless there are very good grounds to issue one.
I called the local court some years ago after having received a visit. I was told there needs to be a 'warrant hearing' before they can be issued with a search warrant. I doubt that has ever happened. Too much trouble and too expensive.
Smart TV's should be made able to block live TV out of the box. They could also be made to query a BBC licencing web site to allow it. The DVLC has a website that shows if your car is insured and has a MOT. It's 2024 for heavens sake
Yes, but you're missing the point. The BBC don't care about "real customers paying their way". They care about "having captive customers". It's all about making sure people are forced to watch the BBC, not that they should pay for it,
I have a Roku streamer which came preloaded with BBC and ITV.
I deleted both off the streamer.
I also deleted Sky News and any other app that might be considered live .
I only use Netflix, Roku, Deekoo.
I have no time anyway for all the rest.
The letter is designed to scare people into paying 170 quid whether they watch telly or not. I recieved one, I'd only started renting in August and the letter claimed they had sent one previously and since they hadn't recieved any money they were now escalating it to sending enforcement officers to the address. Pretty incredible.
It's a shame you don't want to be our PM. You'd make a great one!
Paid my tv licence in full ,moved property.
Tried to get a refund never got it should have been 9 months refund.
Joke.
Next time pay with a credit card, if you are due a refund and don't receive it within 28 days, issue a chargeback, that will get them talking.
Smacks of a letter from a desperate organisation....
I have a neighbour who used to wander through my garden for whatever reason and I was told that under the wonderful Scottish Land Reform Act there was nothing that could be done, even wandering through my land at night including garden and land near my house. If he wanted to wander through the land as long as he did no harm to animals then I guess fair enough, but close to the house at night I did not appreciate, but unless I had definite proof he was up to no good there was nothing that could be done.
Access rights do not extend to houses and gardens. See the Scottish Outdoor Access Code.
@A.G.T.A.G. you are right it doesn't extend to your house but as my property has a farm code according to the rules I don't actually have a garden as it is classed as agricultural land and anyone can walk up to the property but not inside. However I have found this person in outbuildings but as they are not secured, again nothing could be done. Personally all TV licence communication goes in the bin and if they do come to the door I politely say no thankyou and close the door.
Funny I wrote to the BBC 50 years ago and they kindly wrote back to me saying that I would not need a licence. Since then they have been sending me threatening & harassing letters every month of every year. I would love to be a test case against them.
I get letters several times a year. No visits in about 7 years....or ever.