Woww great video of Ottawa's future of star trek style of transit, its our capital city and it truly deserves lots of respect to be a next new mega large city..awessume,😉
In terms of expansion past stage 3, one idea that the city seems to be exploring is an at-grade LRT that would go down Carling Avenue between Lincoln fields and Carling Station on Line 2. It was featured, along with the three LRT stages, on a map the city produced back in 2013 called “Rapid Transit and Transit Priority Network - Ultimate Network”. Also, one minor correction: Fallowfield train station is in Barrhaven, not Riverside South.
That was actually one of the original proposals for stage 2 and is not currently being considered now that lines 1&3 are planned to tunnel under the Byron linear park. It is however one of the reasons for the trains we use, as they specked to be able to use this option if it was selected for stage 2. Issues with operating without grade separation would make the Carling option unfeasible.
Well done video. It was greatly detailed and informative. I'm excited to see the developments in the near future. As I live here. So I get to see it 1st hand.
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What I don't get is if OC is going to have such a long expansion that breaks off in two directions, why would they not simplify it and make the southern branch its own line?
Perhaps long term they might do that. I think though that the demand for transit in Barrhaven is not that big so they can afford to split up the amount of trains that get serviced so that there are less connections needed to reach Downtown.
The line to B-haven will be its own line. It’s just a semantics issue. The confederation line expansion will be split into 2 interlined routes(use same tracks and platforms for much of the route but diverge at Lincoln Fields), lines 1 & 3, and Trillium expansion will be split into 2 as well, lines 2 & 4. Unfortunately those planning the marketing of these have not done a great job of messaging out the distinction between “Line” referring to the rail system(ie. Confederation Line and Trillium Line) and Line referring to route(Line 1-4)...
Great Video! However i have one question, are you sure that the Confed will have a shuttle service from Lincoln? From what Ive heard there will just be interlining. IE. Blar-Moodie, Trim-Baseline.
There will be no grade crossings. Extension will follow existing transit way to Dominion where it will tunnel under NCC land, under Richmond rd. and cut and cover tunnel under the Byron linear Park to Lincoln. From there it will follow existing transit way to baseline and another small tunnel north of the 417 to replace the transit way from Pinecrest to Moodie going under or over the 417 on-ramps as needed.
The Gatineau portion of the network will leave Hull woefully under-served. It's such a dense district, seemingly perfect for rapid transit, but it's getting nothing except along its southern shoreline.
@@sagmilling those are not farming districts, that is Plateau, a very densely-populated area between Aylmer and Hull, trust me, that line will be busy, you should see how dense Plateau is becoming these days, they are building like 25+ big condos there at any given time.
They have been trying for years but the city removed track connecting to the bridge so nothing can cross now. This has made it difficult to get investors. Some believe they don't have interest in connecting to Gatineau since they wouldn't be able to collect taxes on homes created on the Gatineau side where as they can on their own side. Light rail projects tend to cause real estate booms where ever they go.
after some research i now think that MOOSE rail should never be a thing. On thier site thay want Ottawa to abandon the LRT and return to the 2018 bus system and give all tracks to them. Their plan is to make stations outside of the town they want to connect, like Ariprior snd Smith Falls, and create new suburbs by sellinf land near thier train stations a increased market value. They are scumy as hell.
Line 2 is currently diesel operation only as it uses European style Regional Diesel trains. The Flirt trains coming in the future will also be diesel but if the need arises to electrify the line, converting these would be easy as it's diesel motors are located entirely in a middle car, generating electricity to power the traction motors on the wheel. An electric converstion would require little more than simply removing the diesel motor car and mounting a pantograph (The structure on top of a train connecting it to the wire). And Line 2 currently operate 2 car trains of approximately 40 meters long but the Flirt trains are gonna be about twice as long so about 80-85 meters. This also means that 2 of the current Alstom trains can operate together should the need arise for it. And The Confederation line (line 1) is quite different considering it uses Interurban Streetcar vehicles but Each set on that line is 4 cars long and they currently operate with 2 sets on each train so currently the trains there are 8 cars long, but these cars are much smaller and shorter than those on the Trillium line (line 2)
@@drdewott9154 I know your facts are right but the decisions have been terrible. There is no good reason that the whole system is not electrified. (Pantographs can cope with low wires under Dow's Lake.) Just like the uselessly low-floor 'trams', this is another bad case of the vehicles defining the system.
@@hayttom Yeah true I mean trains like the Lints are not very well suited for rapid urban rail. Like we have the same type of train operating in my local area in Denmark but we use them on rural branch lines. Heck in some parts of the country they're used on cross region trains that'd be comparable to a trip between Toronto and London Ontario.
@@drdewott9154 In Canada we don't seem to have public transit between cities. The only rail service between London and Toronto is VIA Rail, which has trains running about four hours apart.
@@markusvoogd4146 ... Wouldn't more ridership be a good thing? And even so not planning ahead for such an expansion would just be stupid on the transit authority's part, especially if they want more riders on their systems.
Correction: Stage 2 to Moodie will use the 417, not Carling. Stage 3 to Barrhaven will probably use the SW Transitway from Fallowfields to Barrhaven Center instead of Woodroffe and Chapman Mills.
It's sad to see that the east expansion of the line is not focused around transit orientated development. I realize it's cheaper to build, but I wonder if in the long run the extra costs would be worth it if it meant higher ridership.
I saw the. LRT s for Ontario video. Again all these cities are making mistakes by getting a slow LRT with a driver. Automation is in 50 cities in the world. Passengers want fast transit.
As a resident all I can say is Ottawa’s LRT is a failed mess. Our buses are overcrowded so good luck trying to get to work on time. Then the trains usually have mechanical failure so you might be lucky to get one which is now also overcrowded as overcrowded buses feed in to the LRT hub stations. The underground stations smell of rotten eggs and human excrement. Usually the escalators and elevators are out of service and it’s a long, slow line of people up the stairs and out the door. I was excited for LRT but the service has been a colossal failure, and the bus service which was already inadequate keeps getting slashed as the trains were intended to pick up the slack. However as I said the trains have a problem operating on any day that ends in Y. Thankfully with the pandemic I can work from home, my commute is much more reasonable now.
It's ridiculous. All branches should interline through downtown. But they are being built forever incompatible. (Bayview station is on two levels, but needn't have been.)
@@TheMcClover The bridge is currently condemned but I believe repairing the bridge and extending line 2 to Station Montcalm they are planning to build a tramway but I believe they said they want more connectivity across the region but using the bridge we have is way better than making a whole new rail line but OC Transpo said no because Bayview Station would become to congested. 😢
@@jaydenmeertins3415 It makes sense though. The last thing OCTranspo wants is for the station to become another Bloor-Yonge station, with the platforms constantly packed. Perhaps such an extension will make sense after the initial LRT on Portage Bridge is built, but for now its a no go.
The eastern extension will lead to Place D’Orléans. That would make the trip longer. But the western extension extends to Moodie. How are we going to get to Moodie? That’s right, but we can take the Line 1 toward Moodie, Then take the Line 1 toward Place D’Orléans. But that’s inconvenient.
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Kudos for a fantastically detailed video about my hometown's mass transit system
Woww great video of Ottawa's future of star trek style of transit, its our capital city and it truly deserves lots of respect to be a next new mega large city..awessume,😉
In terms of expansion past stage 3, one idea that the city seems to be exploring is an at-grade LRT that would go down Carling Avenue between Lincoln fields and Carling Station on Line 2. It was featured, along with the three LRT stages, on a map the city produced back in 2013 called “Rapid Transit and Transit Priority Network - Ultimate Network”.
Also, one minor correction: Fallowfield train station is in Barrhaven, not Riverside South.
That was actually one of the original proposals for stage 2 and is not currently being considered now that lines 1&3 are planned to tunnel under the Byron linear park. It is however one of the reasons for the trains we use, as they specked to be able to use this option if it was selected for stage 2. Issues with operating without grade separation would make the Carling option unfeasible.
Well done video. It was greatly detailed and informative. I'm excited to see the developments in the near future. As I live here. So I get to see it 1st hand.
Thanks for watching Adam!
@@RMTransit your welcome :)
it's a shame that a bank street subway or rideau/montreal rd. route are not on the table yet.
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What I don't get is if OC is going to have such a long expansion that breaks off in two directions, why would they not simplify it and make the southern branch its own line?
Perhaps long term they might do that. I think though that the demand for transit in Barrhaven is not that big so they can afford to split up the amount of trains that get serviced so that there are less connections needed to reach Downtown.
The line to B-haven will be its own line. It’s just a semantics issue. The confederation line expansion will be split into 2 interlined routes(use same tracks and platforms for much of the route but diverge at Lincoln Fields), lines 1 & 3, and Trillium expansion will be split into 2 as well, lines 2 & 4. Unfortunately those planning the marketing of these have not done a great job of messaging out the distinction between “Line” referring to the rail system(ie. Confederation Line and Trillium Line) and Line referring to route(Line 1-4)...
@@mikejulien2330 Exactly.
Great Video! However i have one question, are you sure that the Confed will have a shuttle service from Lincoln? From what Ive heard there will just be interlining. IE. Blar-Moodie, Trim-Baseline.
@@RMTransit oh my bad, I guess I didnt catch that. Great video anyways :)
Nice summary. Would like to see detailed map of the expanded line going west to Moodie in relation to where the line crosses streets.
As would I, I don't expect any actual road crossings at the moment
There will be no grade crossings. Extension will follow existing transit way to Dominion where it will tunnel under NCC land, under Richmond rd. and cut and cover tunnel under the Byron linear Park to Lincoln. From there it will follow existing transit way to baseline and another small tunnel north of the 417 to replace the transit way from Pinecrest to Moodie going under or over the 417 on-ramps as needed.
The Gatineau portion of the network will leave Hull woefully under-served. It's such a dense district, seemingly perfect for rapid transit, but it's getting nothing except along its southern shoreline.
Where is this Gatineau line supposed to actually go? It seems to wonder off into farming districts northwest of Hull? Porquois?
@@sagmilling those are not farming districts, that is Plateau, a very densely-populated area between Aylmer and Hull, trust me, that line will be busy, you should see how dense Plateau is becoming these days, they are building like 25+ big condos there at any given time.
btw, at 10:42 on your map, it shows that the moodie branch goes along carling, when in reality, it will go along the 417
I also heard that Ottawa is getting a Commuter rail system operated by the MOOSE Consortium (I Hope that project Does become a reality)
@@RMTransit I haven't heard anything since the announcement. Maybe it quietly faded into obscurity but the website is still up.
They have been trying for years but the city removed track connecting to the bridge so nothing can cross now. This has made it difficult to get investors. Some believe they don't have interest in connecting to Gatineau since they wouldn't be able to collect taxes on homes created on the Gatineau side where as they can on their own side. Light rail projects tend to cause real estate booms where ever they go.
after some research i now think that MOOSE rail should never be a thing. On thier site thay want Ottawa to abandon the LRT and return to the 2018 bus system and give all tracks to them. Their plan is to make stations outside of the town they want to connect, like Ariprior snd Smith Falls, and create new suburbs by sellinf land near thier train stations a increased market value. They are scumy as hell.
@@SMTMainline The mayor has definitely said that bridge will never be used. Now you help me to understand why.
apparently, I used this for my assignment.
If they are planning on running line 2 to fallowfeild, does that mean that there will be either a grade separated, or a much more chaotic, cross track
most likely grade separated, oc transpo doesn’t want a chance of another 2013 fallowfield incident
Is Line 2 be electerfied? How many different cars are we going to have on all lines?
Line 2 is currently diesel operation only as it uses European style Regional Diesel trains. The Flirt trains coming in the future will also be diesel but if the need arises to electrify the line, converting these would be easy as it's diesel motors are located entirely in a middle car, generating electricity to power the traction motors on the wheel. An electric converstion would require little more than simply removing the diesel motor car and mounting a pantograph (The structure on top of a train connecting it to the wire).
And Line 2 currently operate 2 car trains of approximately 40 meters long but the Flirt trains are gonna be about twice as long so about 80-85 meters. This also means that 2 of the current Alstom trains can operate together should the need arise for it.
And The Confederation line (line 1) is quite different considering it uses Interurban Streetcar vehicles but Each set on that line is 4 cars long and they currently operate with 2 sets on each train so currently the trains there are 8 cars long, but these cars are much smaller and shorter than those on the Trillium line (line 2)
@@drdewott9154 I know your facts are right but the decisions have been terrible. There is no good reason that the whole system is not electrified. (Pantographs can cope with low wires under Dow's Lake.) Just like the uselessly low-floor 'trams', this is another bad case of the vehicles defining the system.
@@hayttom Yeah true I mean trains like the Lints are not very well suited for rapid urban rail. Like we have the same type of train operating in my local area in Denmark but we use them on rural branch lines. Heck in some parts of the country they're used on cross region trains that'd be comparable to a trip between Toronto and London Ontario.
@@drdewott9154 In Canada we don't seem to have public transit between cities. The only rail service between London and Toronto is VIA Rail, which has trains running about four hours apart.
Is there a reason the Trillium line isnt being extended north from Bayview across the eixisting bridge to UoQO and Hull/Wrightvill?
Ya it would overcrowd Bayview station
@@markusvoogd4146 ... Wouldn't more ridership be a good thing? And even so not planning ahead for such an expansion would just be stupid on the transit authority's part, especially if they want more riders on their systems.
@@drdewott9154 But it also makes more sense if the Gatineau LRT went right downtown that way you wouldn't have to transfer to get to work.
Correction: Stage 2 to Moodie will use the 417, not Carling. Stage 3 to Barrhaven will probably use the SW Transitway from Fallowfields to Barrhaven Center instead of Woodroffe and Chapman Mills.
Gatineau also have a BRT going east with connections with Ottawa downtown
It's sad to see that the east expansion of the line is not focused around transit orientated development. I realize it's cheaper to build, but I wonder if in the long run the extra costs would be worth it if it meant higher ridership.
Maybe its not too late to convert the LRT to the REM technology in Montreal.
@@RMTransit when you look at cost and benefits over 50 to 100 yrs it might be worth it. Remember to fix LRT will cost lots of money.
I saw the. LRT s for Ontario video. Again all these cities are making mistakes by getting a slow LRT with a driver.
Automation is in 50 cities in the world. Passengers want fast transit.
@@RMTransit Drivers
Can drive a subeay fast but at grade LRT with traffic signals is not too fast.
The Confederation line is already fully grade seperated from any roadways. It's essentially a Metro, just operated with Tram rolling stock.
please update!
But will it work?
As a resident all I can say is Ottawa’s LRT is a failed mess. Our buses are overcrowded so good luck trying to get to work on time. Then the trains usually have mechanical failure so you might be lucky to get one which is now also overcrowded as overcrowded buses feed in to the LRT hub stations. The underground stations smell of rotten eggs and human excrement. Usually the escalators and elevators are out of service and it’s a long, slow line of people up the stairs and out the door. I was excited for LRT but the service has been a colossal failure, and the bus service which was already inadequate keeps getting slashed as the trains were intended to pick up the slack. However as I said the trains have a problem operating on any day that ends in Y. Thankfully with the pandemic I can work from home, my commute is much more reasonable now.
The southeast transitway should be converted into an extension of Line 4 from South Keys.
Liked! Doesn't seem right it will take 3 seats just to get downtown.
It's ridiculous. All branches should interline through downtown. But they are being built forever incompatible. (Bayview station is on two levels, but needn't have been.)
What about Rapibus?
I can't believe they aren't considering replacing the rapibus corridor with light rail, especially when you have the rail bridge connection to Bayview
@@RMTransit That makes sense
@@TheMcClover The bridge is currently condemned but I believe repairing the bridge and extending line 2 to Station Montcalm they are planning to build a tramway but I believe they said they want more connectivity across the region but using the bridge we have is way better than making a whole new rail line but OC Transpo said no because Bayview Station would become to congested. 😢
@@jaydenmeertins3415 It makes sense though. The last thing OCTranspo wants is for the station to become another Bloor-Yonge station, with the platforms constantly packed. Perhaps such an extension will make sense after the initial LRT on Portage Bridge is built, but for now its a no go.
@@jaydenmeertins3415 I'm sure they said that but it's the most bogus argument ever.
Ottawa is the sixth largest metropolitan area in Canada. It got passed by both Calgary and Edmonton.
1. Toronto
2. Montreal
3. Vancouver
4. Calgary
5. Edmonton
6. Ottawa
Hey! I know that guy at 8:40! He's my roommate!!!!!!
Trillium line rolling stock give me big Deutsche Bahn vibes *googles* that’s because they’re old DB Regio trains
Mississauga coming up at 537,000
Ottawa: how to get everything wrong when building a mass transit system.
@@RMTransit I really hope they fix phase 2 and remove SNC as a contractor.
@@RMTransit This one they were. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/discretionary-power-snc-lavalin-experts-rare-1.5487005
who tf? is RMTransit actually a team? i thought Reece was just playing the RUclips game by pretending it is like a big family
note the illegally parked yellow car at the beginning of the video
Sorry about that.
2031...thats when this is "planned" to be completed :((((((((((((((((((((
not that it will get done on time but still...
I am happy about the eastern extension but not the western extension.
? Why
The eastern extension will lead to Place D’Orléans. That would make the trip longer. But the western extension extends to Moodie. How are we going to get to Moodie? That’s right, but we can take the Line 1 toward Moodie, Then take the Line 1 toward Place D’Orléans. But that’s inconvenient.
Video is fine but that accent and monotonous reading of text made it hard to listen to and not easy to understand.
Canadians have accents!
For talking about social distancing you earn a thumbs down
What?