Tanks with huge cupolas like the patton should have the best view ranges in the game and not just a tiny 10m difference. Adjust the other stats if you need to but you can't play a tank like the Patton at close ranges. It needs the view range to compensate (or maybe a lot more armor on the cupola). It's things like this that make WoTs so silly.
got that right ,seems to me some more russian bias ,that M48 was really good then they shut it down with a nerf ,paper thin armor and a tumor the size of the moon on top of it anyone remember that 59 patton disaster we got now this patton we are getting cant last a whole game
That brings up an interesting point though... A tank that's intentionally statistically bad but has more slots for equipment to compensate would be quite cool. WG already showed they can do less than 3 with low tiers, so what's stopping them from making one with 5-6slots?
@@Adam-hy1duwhat? Whats the point of giving away tank which is just unplayable? No one wants that and im not also saying that we should get op tanks for free at least be decent and not absolutely trash can
@@QuickFistBoxing1 it’s sarcasm the dude is complaining about getting a free tank that wg never had to give out to anyone I don’t really care if it’s a bad tank it’s still a nice thing to do yet everyone finds a way to complain
It won’t be hard for him or any player close to his level since everyone will get the tank play a few battles , drop the expected values very low and sell it.
It’s actually really easy since most of the players that seriously play with it are newbies or noobs with 45% wr. I’m at 72 percent with only 49 battles, and I actually enjoy the tank. Overall, people hate on it too much and imo it’s actually a satisfying tank to play as you have to master it’s strengths and play around it’s weaknesses
Especially since the only people who would play this are people who dont know better and think "ooh I get to experience end game tanks" while their top tier tech tree tank is a kv1
I’m trying not to sound ungrateful as it is a free tank but after playing for 6 years and spending a decent amount on the game this tank is a shocking Christmas present
Nah im pretty grateful even i have a few of premium tier xi from the battlepass mission. I mean they make this tank stats suck at least to balancing purpose because not all player gonna enjoy using this tank only the player that know how this game works especially for this tanks
I think Gun Rammer has to go for Vertical Stabilizers. There is nothing more frustrating than aiming a shot for years and then missing it, just cuz you had to rush your shot. And then to reload AGAIN. I rather reload a second longer and then hit my shots.
It's like the mentality with derpy guns or low dpm tanks If youre gonna reload for so long anyway, then just make sure each shot counts more often I setup my t-34-3 this way, because having a gun rammer instead of another equipment that improves gun handling just makes the tank unbearable
@@neeevirus Yea I do get what you are saying. But the tank is so damn bad at everything that something has to give. If you remove Turbo basically all the mediums and heavys get to position faster than you. If you remove Stabilizer you miss almost ''half'' your shots and you cant really hit weakspots. If you remove optics every tank at tier 9 has better view range than you. If remove vents tank is just a little bit worse all round. I think out of all of them losing some DPM is the least of evils. In my eyes of course. Cuz only 50% or less fights I have are full out DPM wars. At least how I try to play. So for me Vents, Stabilizer and Turbo will be the setup I think.
If WG intentionally creates underpowered tanks like "Patton the Tank" it is only logical that overpowered tanks like the BZ176 etc are also created intentionally. Balancing is obviously no priority. Now we know it for sure.
Actually, the Obsidian isn't that. Thought it was horrendous at first, but when I played it to do some missions, I realized it is somewhat formidable, at least in a good matchup, since the armor quite good, especially if you angle the tank. You'll be surprised how many ricochets you'll get. Sure, the Obsidian is not a strong tank, but it is usable at least in a good matchup and in some scenarios, while Patton the Tank just sucks in any kind of matchup pr scenario.
Oh I think the obsidian is ridiculous. 3k dpm with a bounty rammer and offsetting the terrible speed with a turbo and grousers, the tank gets me consistent 2.5k dmg games. Add to that a small profile (ie good camo), strong side armor for angling and side scraping, and high fire rate for perma tracking, and the obsidian is probably the best brawling medium in the game at tier 8.
I recently got 3 of my friends to play this game over the last month. (with 2 of them, we're at level 4 in the referral system, they've just got to tier 7.) This will be their first t9 tank. the Matilda, LEFH and Pz. s39 have already made one of them quit this game for good. I DON'T want this tank to be my other 2 friend's first experience at tier 9, but it's going to be. Wargaming this is how you alienate your player base. Don't give away terrible tanks. I'd rather not have a "gift" at all than this spit in the face that will make my friends hate this game.
@@REgamesplayer It says something that the only people playing this game are the people that have been playing it since it started over 10 years ago. No one i try can get into this game no matter how hard i try
@@vladdracul2379 That is because it is a niche thing even in gaming. You have to like a very particular style of gameplay and tanks in general in order to keep on playing.
@@REgamesplayer Not really. It's the gameplay that puts most people off. Heck, I've been playing for over 10 years and even I can't stand entire parts of the gameplay. For one, the RNG accuracy is so annoying and it's a terrible mechanic. You can line up perfect shots on the flat side of a Maus and miss. Then some KV can snap show the top of your turret while moving and rotating. I'm sorry, but frick you on that one. The spotting and camo. The fact that you can have tanks literally sitting in the middle of a field with no brush and not get spotted is BS. You should be visible until you enter cover and then be unspotted. It's BS that tanks can shoot you behind cover and move back behind cover before the game graces you spotting them. The damaging parts of the tanks. I'm sorry, but shooting those useless hatches and gun ports continuously on the roof of a tank is retarded. It's a terrible gameplay mechanic and it makes certain nation's tanks (America and France) have a MASSIVE disadvantage and get NOTHING beneficial for some a huge drawback (All tanks that have huge hatches on the turret like that should have a MASSIVE view range advantage over ALL other tanks since that's what they were for).
I think WG might be about to release a bunch of tier 9 premiums if they are giving us this??? Give everyone a taste of high tier so the people who haven't got high tier tanks are more tempted to buy the expensive tier 9 premiums
I'm 90% sure you hit the mark there. I came across some youtube shorts of the new "Breakthrough SPG line" footage from the Russian test server, basically heavily armored TDs with indirect fire mechanics; a google translate of the comments later and how I understood it is the line will branch off and start at tier 9, knowing WG they introduce new tank mechanics via premiums first, so put two and two together right
I wonder if there's a chance, they might buff it a little after they've gathered some battle statistics for it. As a collector, I'll take the tank with thanks but I probably won't be playing more than a handful of games in it. It does give me hope that maybe we'll see the SU-122-54 maybe back in the game as a well deserved reward, as WG seems to be ready and willing to flood tier 9 with premium and reward vehicles now.
They know it is as bad as it is. It is a worse T54 heavy and that tank is a shitter. If they were going to buff it, they would have done it before release. This is only here to get people to return to the game and buy some boxes.
I think the experimental equipment that improves both gun handling and aiming time could be of use here - we're gonna have a bunch of resources from holiday ops so we could try to make that work
@@adgd62 because they are expensive to get upgraded to where they are worth while so you wont be wasting those equipment on tanks like this hunk of junk, they are used on clan wars competitive tanks
why bother? in its current state, you'd be earning less crew xp than if you just played your actual tech tree tanks because the tank is soooo much worse. Dont waste bonds, experimental equipment or any amount of time on tryign to make this tank work. Slap on some standard equipment, play it knowing it sucks and maybe you can have some fun :)
heavily doubt it, unless it is all casual players. Because veterans and good players will have watched tank reviews like this one and know not to bother with this tank. This tank has no novel gameplay or is fun in any way, so there is 0 reason to play it, unless you are a completionist who wants to 3-mark every tank.
@@robinkhn2547 Casual players are exactly who is going to fill the matchmaker with these tanks. Obviously no one who watches reviews and knows about it is gonna play a lot but some people might still try. Low tier rewards where absolutely filling the matchmaker everytime as well and those most of the time werent any good either. If everyone gets it, many are gonna play.
one idea: since wg is adding so many strange mechanics recently, why not introduce one for some American tanks with huge cupolas: a function similar to binoculars, where when still the view range is good, but when moving, bad.
not sure why it wasn't compared with the american t54. seems like the closest thing in game to it. maybe "patton the tank" will also be able to win bonds? watching your reviews side-by-side was entertaining. not sure why the t54 got better camo than ptt. ah well here's to some interesting games...
TS-54 is just a gimmick tank but still better than this Crapton. And oh, your avatar, 66th Armor Regiment unit crest....I was in 3/66AR way back in the late 80's with the first M1A1's sent to Germany in 2nd Armored Division (Hell on Wheels!)
So my first time trying this tank...I intentionally changed part of your build. I focused on improving my aim time and accuracy. The damage and alpha are what they are, so don't worry about it. I played it as a support med and it can truly wreck house
The experimental turbo works well for this tank, as you are almost killing two birds with one stone Increasing speed and improving the gun handling a bit
This is where experimental equipment might come in handy. I've slapped mine on the t30 and it works great to increase speed but also turning speed without the cost of dispersion, while costing only one slot. Even though t30 benefits more from the latter in terms of time spent aiming, 47 km/h is a lot different for a medium than 40 or 42 km/h. But then again, if WG truly wishes to gift, they should buff this thing a touch, even if it's just the armor or just the speed.
I played this tank just awhile ago and my first match was quite bad, i was litteraly aiming straight at the char futur 4 and yet i still missed, same for the other rounds. i like the 400 damage cuz ive never had any tank that has a damage higher than that, although i still love the tank because this is my first tier 9 and i appreciate wg for giving me this
I wouldnt take it even as a T7 🤣 Just because its abysmal gun handlung 😅 I hoped for 1,8 million credits by selling it, but WG managed to destroy that hope :/
@@GenHummel96 you need to improve the gun handling above all, not turbo, not loading speed, not anything, gun handling is the way.. with base equipment i could improve the dispersion factors from 0.22/0.22/0.10 to 0.14/0.15/0.08
@@thepro9417 i know, but its still not my cup of tea with 0.33 dispersion 😅 I wont go to play it, i keep with my char futur 4, T55A and Concept 1B... Will be fun to slaughter this tank with 1B 😊
@@GenHummel96 hahaha, by shear REASON i wont use this tank until i can get a discount on its equipments and i need to wait some months until the people forgets about this tank, these will be filled with people who knows how to counter this and people who uses it on stock or wrongly.. and let me tell you, this tank clearly only could work on the hands of experimented players.
I know, i have seen all of the videos about it and with 2300-2500wn8 recent, i guess i am quite experienced ✌️ But i wont play it anyway, becausw i dont play bad tanks... I dont even grind most tech trees any more, just because i have so many blueprints to afford it 😊
Wargaming will do absolutely everything to make a tank pathetic if it's for free, while also doing absolutely everything to make a tank a mosnter if it's in holiday boxes (BZ-176)
@@ICCUWANSIUT Good for you : obj. 283 has the worst winrate of all Tier IX mediums at 45.31%. Worst tech tree tank batchat 25tAP is far better at 46.76%.
@@ICCUWANSIUT Tank was a turd and still is, it was overrated because it was hard to get. Barely see them on the field and for good reason as they usually are the 1st back to the garage. That said it is light years better than this Patton PoS, they need to stop nerfing the US line with BS cupolas that would never act like this or they would have them removed IRL.
@@animalyze7120 Never played it actually, i thought he meant the Obj. 263. Probably trash though, so far the only decent rewards they've given out have been the Super Chaffee and Super Hellcat, VK 28 semi counts.
Worth noting the T123E6 120mm gun is closely related to the 120mm M58, and basically fires the same ammunition. WG giving it less pen on a medium makes little sense given it already has worse gun handling and DPM to 'compensate'. If this tank gets buffed the gun handling, view range, and fire rate should be improved. Pen can be left lower than the M103 as a trade off.
Of all the nerfs Wargaming gave this thing when bringing it down from Tier 10 to 9, the most inexplicable is the view range nerf. Tanks that have giant cupolas Should at least be compensated for the giant tumor of a weakspot by having good view range. The entire point of the cupola is to improve visibility for the commander, after all. "Patton the Tank" should absolutely not have less than 400m base view range. And the bloom when moving and turning the turret should at worst be the exact same as the Renegade. That way the tank wouldn't be absolutely demanding both Optics (which no American medium should need) and Vert Stab to be even playable. If those buffs were applied, the DPM would still be awful and it'd still be a medium with the mobility of a heavy but without the protection of a heavy. It would still be a bad tank. But at least it wouldn't be a tank that's *so* bad it would need 5-6 equipment slots to function.
Wargaming: We cherish you and all the time you play our game, so to show our appreciation here is the biggest hunk of junk we could possibly put together! We hope you enjoy this complete steaming pile of dog crap as our thanks to you for all the money you've spent this year!
1. People give up the game. 2. WG gives out free tank to get them back into the game. 3. Free tank is a terrible XP and HP piñata. 4. People who gave up the game are duly reminded why they gave up.
All I think this tank needs is 20m extra view range and some better dispersion values and it would be a fair tier 9 prem and maybe remove that over match area on the lower side. It’s clear that WG rightly don’t want these new prems to compete with regular tier 9s (the same logic behind the old tier 8 prems). Also with the last point I feel that all tier 9 prems should make a little more money as there isn’t a reason to play them over tier 8 prems but that’s a different issue.
Its clear wargaming only want one thing and that is not to give people a good reward tank they might choose to play instead of buying an op premium. This should definitely be as good as regular techtree tanks. If it had anything to do with your point WG would have to nerve a lot of premiums or at least not make new ones as strong and they do seem to do everything but. Yes I'm looking at you Mr. BZ-176...
@@domin727 so my point on the reworks to the economy is to basically give players a choice. Either to play a tier 9 premium tank that is weaker than normal tier 9s but earns more or player a tier 8 premium which is as good or better than the normal tier 8s but earn less when compared to the tier 9 prems if that makes sense.
@@alphaxalex1634 You could do this and it would not be a bad idea per say, but that would require a rework of a ton of tanks. Wargaming dont show any intention to do any of this. They just want to troll their player base a bit while on the surface appearing generous.
This thing was put in so that newer players can play in tier IX and just be food for the experienced players. Overall it's kind of a good thing for the community.
bold of u to assume this game has lots of new players cuz it dont its 89% the same people that been playing for years which is why the player count is lower than ever for holiday ops
Actually I'm fine with a free underpowered patton tank that could be buffed in the future, rathen then a big mistake from WG flooding the MM and ruining the game for everyone.
Yep my thoughts as well. Imo the only thing that's truly holding this thing back is the gun handling. Low dpm doesn't matter if you can at least hit your shots (WZ-114 for example has even worse gun handling but fantastic .33 accuracy. Which if you let it aim hits most of the time) this being .4 is very disappointing.
Did you just put vents instead of a Vstab on a tank that has 0.22 gun dispersion on the move ?!?! You said yourself that you felt you have to use Vstab on the Renagade, which has 0.15 gun dispersion ! What's the point in gaining a few meters of view range when you can't hit a single shot ??? Equipement for this tank is Turbo (or equivalent) + Vstab + Gun Rammer, not questionnable.
After playing this tank QB, I think the build should be more like a heavy tank. Slap some view range in and the experimental turbo plus vents, it should work fine.
Honey, this is no gift. This is bait. I find myself agreeing with the sentiment you shared at the end of the vid. If these things populate the matchmaker, it's practically a turkey shoot for anyone else. The casual players hoping to get some crew exp will end up BEING exp for those who know better. Tier 8 TD's (and quite a few other T8's) will absolutely love seeing these things in their matches. WG just introduced a prey item for the consumption and entertainment of all other high tier vehicles, whether they were meta or not~. I honestly don't blame anyone who felt that this really was more of an insult than a gesture of good will. "It's free, quit complaining" stops being a viable defense when the free thing is a trojan horse that feels like it was designed to entice eager players into becoming targets, all for the promise of faster crew training and free exp.
This comparison of renegade actualy highlights how insanely good of a tank renegade is. By far my most favourite tank in this game. I would like to point out that the cupola weakpoint is not as big of a thing, because most people dont seem to shoot at cupolas nowdays.
OK, it looks like at least two aspects of this tank needs to be buffed in order to be "decent". Either View Range+Gun Handling, or View Range+Mobility, or Mobility+Gun Handling. I can live without armor (everyone around those tiers taps the "2" key anyways), but the rest of the things are just ... ugly.
So, to sum up, as Quicky said, all of us may see a lot of people (included myself) playing this tank on the battlefield the next few days, probably a few weeks but soon enough it will disappear and no one will ever play it. At least its free what can i say. Another one to the garage. Mark my words. :)
Part of me is happy that not only did they give us a free t9 and it also isnt an overpowered, pay to win tactics type of tank, but then because its stats are also so bad im not happy 🤷🏾♂️
Long time ago WG tried to somehow reflect reality in their stats and gave tanks with high cupolas above average view range - which was nice as it helped players to intuitively assert the stats. Not so any longer it seems with this poor Patton version.
I suspect, that there will be events that require you to play a T9 or T10 - now even inexperienced players will have a T9 tanks, making the event more fun for everybody. And then they'll add some op T9 premiums, that one could also use...
@@thecompyclub5310 it started the same with T8 premiums being as strong or weaker than the techtree counterpart, now we have the BZ overpowering the techtree counterpart in every way
It's only real strength is the pen and alpha so I'd equip it and play to that, using vstab, rammer and improved aiming. Begin battles by sniping and only after other vehicles are weakened or flanks have opened up you can move and make plays.
It is a gift to the players playing against them. That's the true gift. It's a gift to the players who watch reviews like this, allowing a very short period of time where you will be able to farm them, especially the noobs playing them.
I'm playing with the tank since yesterday and its working quite well for me. I like it. Don't understand why you're saying it's soooooo bad... really!!
I'm using turbo, vertical stabilizer and coated optics, maybe in the future if the crew got more skills I would drop the optics, but I am considering the tank as a hull down tank with low aggressive nature, try to be behind the action and fire but even if you get caught you will ricochet some shots but the DPM will fail you
It was the worst in Tier 10, now it changes, to the worst in Tier 9🎉
Well they won't give any op tank for free, especially not a tier 9
It's free! what do you expect?
You can alway sell it for some silver - at least that's what I am gonna do I think.
@@HungarianDerrickRoseit sells for at most 20k credits
@@StevenFireWalker No effin way. It's a Tier9, will sell for cca. 2 millions.
“You’ll be running out of ammo later on in the game”
Me: “Haha, silly QB. I get sent back to the garage after 5 shots :D”
🤣🤣🤣🤣"after 5 shots " pfft, amateur. recently I've had a run of getiing RTGd after 0 shots!
Tanks with huge cupolas like the patton should have the best view ranges in the game and not just a tiny 10m difference. Adjust the other stats if you need to but you can't play a tank like the Patton at close ranges. It needs the view range to compensate (or maybe a lot more armor on the cupola). It's things like this that make WoTs so silly.
I agree if you're going to sacrifice the armor when peeking a ridge you might as well get something for it and view range makes sense.
It works in real life because no one shoots for weak points,
And you can't keep shooting the same dead commander
Yeah i thinking the same too. because the cupola size is big and easily to penetrated at least make viewrange better
Well - giving this tank to new players - guaranteed to have them stop playing by end of weekend. Nice one WG.
got that right ,seems to me some more russian bias ,that M48 was really good then they shut it down with a nerf ,paper thin armor and a tumor the size of the moon on top of it anyone remember that 59 patton disaster we got now this patton we are getting cant last a whole game
Guaranteed? We should be so lucky... The matches are absolutely _terrible_ with all the tourists around.
This thing needs 6 pieces of equipment just to be viable.
no
yes
if this is the real stats to balance we need some turret armour
No amount of equipment would make this viable 😭
That brings up an interesting point though... A tank that's intentionally statistically bad but has more slots for equipment to compensate would be quite cool.
WG already showed they can do less than 3 with low tiers, so what's stopping them from making one with 5-6slots?
ty WG for this 7.5 tier tank (at tier 9). Really nice.
You’re right they should just give every player a bz176
at least it wasn't yet another tier 2 - 4 gift tank
@@Adam-hy1duwhat? Whats the point of giving away tank which is just unplayable? No one wants that and im not also saying that we should get op tanks for free at least be decent and not absolutely trash can
@@QuickFistBoxing1 10 years ago this would have been considered pretty good, crazy how powerful tanks have gotten.
@@QuickFistBoxing1 it’s sarcasm the dude is complaining about getting a free tank that wg never had to give out to anyone I don’t really care if it’s a bad tank it’s still a nice thing to do yet everyone finds a way to complain
"God forbid, three mark this tank..." That line made me snicker.
Maybe WG is trying to find out, who is a masochist amongst it's player base...
Skill will, but there will be a lot of swearing 😂.
It wont be hard, expectation values will be extremely low with so many shit players playing it
It won’t be hard for him or any player close to his level since everyone will get the tank play a few battles , drop the expected values very low and sell it.
@@jimis2223 sell it for 1000 credits?
It’s actually really easy since most of the players that seriously play with it are newbies or noobs with 45% wr. I’m at 72 percent with only 49 battles, and I actually enjoy the tank.
Overall, people hate on it too much and imo it’s actually a satisfying tank to play as you have to master it’s strengths and play around it’s weaknesses
I see this as an overall win, since playing against this tank will be enjoyable
Lmao
Especially since the only people who would play this are people who dont know better and think "ooh I get to experience end game tanks" while their top tier tech tree tank is a kv1
Free means extremely bad for wg
Sahariano:
BT7 Art before the HE nerf was a ton of fun
@@lw4384 There's some exeptions
All very low tier exceptions, because no one plays low tiers a lot...@@louisongermain-rb7gl
@@domin727 and only people who play it are seal clubers vs new player so yeah its fun
I’m trying not to sound ungrateful as it is a free tank but after playing for 6 years and spending a decent amount on the game this tank is a shocking Christmas present
For a 12 year player (me), this fairly insulting to be honest.
Nah im pretty grateful even i have a few of premium tier xi from the battlepass mission. I mean they make this tank stats suck at least to balancing purpose because not all player gonna enjoy using this tank only the player that know how this game works especially for this tanks
It's WG. Anything free won't be enjoyable and or worth selling even.
WG doesn't give a shit about the normal tankers time and compassion for this game. Have spent 7 yrs and can loudly say that this game is shit.
Yeah shocking they thought to insult our intelligence by giving us free crap on a stick in pretty wrapper.
I think Gun Rammer has to go for Vertical Stabilizers.
There is nothing more frustrating than aiming a shot for years and then missing it, just cuz you had to rush your shot. And then to reload AGAIN.
I rather reload a second longer and then hit my shots.
It's like the mentality with derpy guns or low dpm tanks
If youre gonna reload for so long anyway, then just make sure each shot counts more often
I setup my t-34-3 this way, because having a gun rammer instead of another equipment that improves gun handling just makes the tank unbearable
Gun rammer is overrated
@@neeevirus Yea I do get what you are saying. But the tank is so damn bad at everything that something has to give.
If you remove Turbo basically all the mediums and heavys get to position faster than you. If you remove Stabilizer you miss almost ''half'' your shots and you cant really hit weakspots. If you remove optics every tank at tier 9 has better view range than you. If remove vents tank is just a little bit worse all round. I think out of all of them losing some DPM is the least of evils. In my eyes of course. Cuz only 50% or less fights I have are full out DPM wars. At least how I try to play.
So for me Vents, Stabilizer and Turbo will be the setup I think.
Just swap vents
@@Sky-fk5tl but then you lose the viewrange that you need with 380 base...
If WG intentionally creates underpowered tanks like "Patton the Tank" it is only logical that overpowered tanks like the BZ176 etc are also created intentionally.
Balancing is obviously no priority. Now we know it for sure.
Wg knows damn well what there doing when they make op tanks
I’m quite excited to hop in my tiger maus and shred these things
Noone will play it more than once.
@@Robert-vk7je not the potato’s who don’t understand it’s a bad tank
@@rohanbrown6647 After they get several 0 damage games they will move back to the lower tier tanks.
the tiger maus is trash lol, most players just show its lower plate and TDs love that lower plate
Still Im going to try to make it work...mardasCZ@@rohanbrown6647
Players: "This Obsidian tank was easy enough to get, but it's a bad tank"
Wargaming: "Hold my beer"
Actually, the Obsidian isn't that. Thought it was horrendous at first, but when I played it to do some missions, I realized it is somewhat formidable, at least in a good matchup, since the armor quite good, especially if you angle the tank. You'll be surprised how many ricochets you'll get. Sure, the Obsidian is not a strong tank, but it is usable at least in a good matchup and in some scenarios, while Patton the Tank just sucks in any kind of matchup pr scenario.
Oh I think the obsidian is ridiculous. 3k dpm with a bounty rammer and offsetting the terrible speed with a turbo and grousers, the tank gets me consistent 2.5k dmg games. Add to that a small profile (ie good camo), strong side armor for angling and side scraping, and high fire rate for perma tracking, and the obsidian is probably the best brawling medium in the game at tier 8.
Obsidian was never bad, if you somehow can't perform with it, it's a skissue
I recently got 3 of my friends to play this game over the last month. (with 2 of them, we're at level 4 in the referral system, they've just got to tier 7.) This will be their first t9 tank.
the Matilda, LEFH and Pz. s39 have already made one of them quit this game for good. I DON'T want this tank to be my other 2 friend's first experience at tier 9, but it's going to be.
Wargaming this is how you alienate your player base. Don't give away terrible tanks. I'd rather not have a "gift" at all than this spit in the face that will make my friends hate this game.
Exactly! This tank has zero decent stats, let alone a single thing that it is good at. You literally can't play this tank and get a good feel for it.
If they quit so easily, they probably did not liked base game enough to begin with.
@@REgamesplayer
It says something that the only people playing this game are the people that have been playing it since it started over 10 years ago. No one i try can get into this game no matter how hard i try
@@vladdracul2379 That is because it is a niche thing even in gaming. You have to like a very particular style of gameplay and tanks in general in order to keep on playing.
@@REgamesplayer
Not really. It's the gameplay that puts most people off. Heck, I've been playing for over 10 years and even I can't stand entire parts of the gameplay. For one, the RNG accuracy is so annoying and it's a terrible mechanic. You can line up perfect shots on the flat side of a Maus and miss. Then some KV can snap show the top of your turret while moving and rotating. I'm sorry, but frick you on that one.
The spotting and camo. The fact that you can have tanks literally sitting in the middle of a field with no brush and not get spotted is BS. You should be visible until you enter cover and then be unspotted. It's BS that tanks can shoot you behind cover and move back behind cover before the game graces you spotting them.
The damaging parts of the tanks. I'm sorry, but shooting those useless hatches and gun ports continuously on the roof of a tank is retarded. It's a terrible gameplay mechanic and it makes certain nation's tanks (America and France) have a MASSIVE disadvantage and get NOTHING beneficial for some a huge drawback (All tanks that have huge hatches on the turret like that should have a MASSIVE view range advantage over ALL other tanks since that's what they were for).
It's actually a gift to people who play against it
I think WG might be about to release a bunch of tier 9 premiums if they are giving us this??? Give everyone a taste of high tier so the people who haven't got high tier tanks are more tempted to buy the expensive tier 9 premiums
I'm 90% sure you hit the mark there. I came across some youtube shorts of the new "Breakthrough SPG line" footage from the Russian test server, basically heavily armored TDs with indirect fire mechanics; a google translate of the comments later and how I understood it is the line will branch off and start at tier 9, knowing WG they introduce new tank mechanics via premiums first, so put two and two together right
I wonder if there's a chance, they might buff it a little after they've gathered some battle statistics for it.
As a collector, I'll take the tank with thanks but I probably won't be playing more than a handful of games in it.
It does give me hope that maybe we'll see the SU-122-54 maybe back in the game as a well deserved reward, as WG seems to be ready and willing to flood tier 9 with premium and reward vehicles now.
They know it is as bad as it is. It is a worse T54 heavy and that tank is a shitter. If they were going to buff it, they would have done it before release. This is only here to get people to return to the game and buy some boxes.
It's a free tank and they know it's horrible from the start. It won't be buffed, it's not like that will make any extra money for them
I got lowe black and it's honestly terrible but I won't sell it.
@@NSAhitLIST The lowe at least still makes credits. This is a credit sink and it wont be fun to play.
I think the experimental equipment that improves both gun handling and aiming time could be of use here - we're gonna have a bunch of resources from holiday ops so we could try to make that work
I’ve never tried the experimental equipment,and it feels like I never see people suggest using them, I wonder why?
@@adgd62 because they are expensive to get upgraded to where they are worth while so you wont be wasting those equipment on tanks like this hunk of junk, they are used on clan wars competitive tanks
That's just polishing a turd.
why bother? in its current state, you'd be earning less crew xp than if you just played your actual tech tree tanks because the tank is soooo much worse. Dont waste bonds, experimental equipment or any amount of time on tryign to make this tank work. Slap on some standard equipment, play it knowing it sucks and maybe you can have some fun :)
@@KsCGames But they can be unequipped for free if I remember right, so you can have a set of all 3 of them and that is basically enough.
We will probably see 15 Patton vs 15 Patton tomorrow. :D
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Perfect time to mark our favorite tanks since barely anyone are gonna be playing them lol
And one Deathstar going: nomnomnomnomnom with HESH..
heavily doubt it, unless it is all casual players. Because veterans and good players will have watched tank reviews like this one and know not to bother with this tank. This tank has no novel gameplay or is fun in any way, so there is 0 reason to play it, unless you are a completionist who wants to 3-mark every tank.
@@robinkhn2547 Casual players are exactly who is going to fill the matchmaker with these tanks. Obviously no one who watches reviews and knows about it is gonna play a lot but some people might still try. Low tier rewards where absolutely filling the matchmaker everytime as well and those most of the time werent any good either. If everyone gets it, many are gonna play.
one idea: since wg is adding so many strange mechanics recently, why not introduce one for some American tanks with huge cupolas: a function similar to binoculars, where when still the view range is good, but when moving, bad.
This tank has only one thing going for it: the looks. Even though it is horrendous even for me (a blitz player) statistically it does look good.
Yea, I certainly didn't expect anything else from WG
This tank is the equivalent of a lump of coal from Santa Claus. Maybe this is WG saying that they hate us 😂
looks like a tank I would sell.
Except you can't because no 3 million credits for you.
@@casuscnactus4864is that true?
@@krag9083it sells for 1000 credits so not worth selling
@@krag9083 Looked like it on Mailand's review with the CC Account.
It is. you get 1000 credits and a free garage slot. XD
@@krag9083
Moral of the story: If you want something decent, you have to pay for it...
You should have compared it with T54 Heavy Tier IX from the auction 10 months ago
the shuddering noises you made as your tank missed at 15:00 were excellent XD
not sure why it wasn't compared with the american t54. seems like the closest thing in game to it. maybe "patton the tank" will also be able to win bonds? watching your reviews side-by-side was entertaining. not sure why the t54 got better camo than ptt. ah well here's to some interesting games...
TS-54 is just a gimmick tank but still better than this Crapton. And oh, your avatar, 66th Armor Regiment unit crest....I was in 3/66AR way back in the late 80's with the first M1A1's sent to Germany in 2nd Armored Division (Hell on Wheels!)
So my first time trying this tank...I intentionally changed part of your build. I focused on improving my aim time and accuracy. The damage and alpha are what they are, so don't worry about it. I played it as a support med and it can truly wreck house
The experimental turbo works well for this tank, as you are almost killing two birds with one stone
Increasing speed and improving the gun handling a bit
Not putting experimental equipment on a vehicle like that
This is where experimental equipment might come in handy. I've slapped mine on the t30 and it works great to increase speed but also turning speed without the cost of dispersion, while costing only one slot. Even though t30 benefits more from the latter in terms of time spent aiming, 47 km/h is a lot different for a medium than 40 or 42 km/h.
But then again, if WG truly wishes to gift, they should buff this thing a touch, even if it's just the armor or just the speed.
Well now I know my tiger maus will just feed on these
Man i was complaining about the gun handling of the wz-114 but at least that tank makes credits
I believe this is a T54E2 with a 120mm experimental gun. Strange choice of a name for this though
Yeah it has a super weird name.
Eh I mean it's a Patton testbed so it makes some sense
Though I thought the Renegade was the T54E2
@@ICCUWANSIUT It is with a experimental 105mm gun.
I played this tank just awhile ago and my first match was quite bad, i was litteraly aiming straight at the char futur 4 and yet i still missed, same for the other rounds. i like the 400 damage cuz ive never had any tank that has a damage higher than that, although i still love the tank because this is my first tier 9 and i appreciate wg for giving me this
one NOTE: if this tank were a TIER VIII tank even with a gun with less alpha damage it would actually be a good tank, for that tier.
I wouldnt take it even as a T7 🤣
Just because its abysmal gun handlung 😅
I hoped for 1,8 million credits by selling it, but WG managed to destroy that hope :/
@@GenHummel96 you need to improve the gun handling above all, not turbo, not loading speed, not anything, gun handling is the way.. with base equipment i could improve the dispersion factors from 0.22/0.22/0.10 to 0.14/0.15/0.08
@@thepro9417 i know, but its still not my cup of tea with 0.33 dispersion 😅
I wont go to play it, i keep with my char futur 4, T55A and Concept 1B...
Will be fun to slaughter this tank with 1B 😊
@@GenHummel96 hahaha, by shear REASON i wont use this tank until i can get a discount on its equipments and i need to wait some months until the people forgets about this tank, these will be filled with people who knows how to counter this and people who uses it on stock or wrongly.. and let me tell you, this tank clearly only could work on the hands of experimented players.
I know, i have seen all of the videos about it and with 2300-2500wn8 recent, i guess i am quite experienced ✌️
But i wont play it anyway, becausw i dont play bad tanks... I dont even grind most tech trees any more, just because i have so many blueprints to afford it 😊
So basically a t9 renegade with a 120mm that's worse than it's t8 105mm brother makes sense. You'd think the turret armor would be identical..
Wargaming will do absolutely everything to make a tank pathetic if it's for free, while also doing absolutely everything to make a tank a mosnter if it's in holiday boxes (BZ-176)
QB= play like a frontline HT
Skill= play like a sniper schnitzel
This makes the object 283 look good.
You think the 283 is bad?
I always do well in it. It's not a sniper but you can't brawl so I assume that's why people don't like it.
@@ICCUWANSIUT Good for you : obj. 283 has the worst winrate of all Tier IX mediums at 45.31%. Worst tech tree tank batchat 25tAP is far better at 46.76%.
@@ICCUWANSIUT Tank was a turd and still is, it was overrated because it was hard to get. Barely see them on the field and for good reason as they usually are the 1st back to the garage. That said it is light years better than this Patton PoS, they need to stop nerfing the US line with BS cupolas that would never act like this or they would have them removed IRL.
@@animalyze7120 Never played it actually, i thought he meant the Obj. 263.
Probably trash though, so far the only decent rewards they've given out have been the Super Chaffee and Super Hellcat, VK 28 semi counts.
Probably because it was available as a rental for everyone. @@popomko
Worth noting the T123E6 120mm gun is closely related to the 120mm M58, and basically fires the same ammunition.
WG giving it less pen on a medium makes little sense given it already has worse gun handling and DPM to 'compensate'.
If this tank gets buffed the gun handling, view range, and fire rate should be improved. Pen can be left lower than the M103 as a trade off.
Is this tank great no but it does have the potential to be mega buffed in the future
No way they buff a tank they gave for free
Man, you're good! Thank you for being you :) Adding to my subscriptions list
I guess this is going into the ”most op tier 9 tanks”, right?
Dusting off the FV for some "One-shot" whoopers. Rock on Tankers 🤘😎
Crazy how wot gives you a tank that has no strengths
Of all the nerfs Wargaming gave this thing when bringing it down from Tier 10 to 9, the most inexplicable is the view range nerf. Tanks that have giant cupolas Should at least be compensated for the giant tumor of a weakspot by having good view range. The entire point of the cupola is to improve visibility for the commander, after all. "Patton the Tank" should absolutely not have less than 400m base view range. And the bloom when moving and turning the turret should at worst be the exact same as the Renegade. That way the tank wouldn't be absolutely demanding both Optics (which no American medium should need) and Vert Stab to be even playable.
If those buffs were applied, the DPM would still be awful and it'd still be a medium with the mobility of a heavy but without the protection of a heavy. It would still be a bad tank. But at least it wouldn't be a tank that's *so* bad it would need 5-6 equipment slots to function.
Wargaming: We cherish you and all the time you play our game, so to show our appreciation here is the biggest hunk of junk we could possibly put together! We hope you enjoy this complete steaming pile of dog crap as our thanks to you for all the money you've spent this year!
Hey it’s free, you don’t have to play it and you don’t have to act like a spoiled brat. Crybaby whale.
JES! ENJOY!
1. People give up the game.
2. WG gives out free tank to get them back into the game.
3. Free tank is a terrible XP and HP piñata.
4. People who gave up the game are duly reminded why they gave up.
When I saw this tank I thought is this an upgrade of the renegade? But I see that even though they look alike they are not the same tank at all.
Whenever WG gives a free tank it'll be a stinker, they never give everyone a good tank
Thanks for the shout out, QB camo is the best camo
All I think this tank needs is 20m extra view range and some better dispersion values and it would be a fair tier 9 prem and maybe remove that over match area on the lower side. It’s clear that WG rightly don’t want these new prems to compete with regular tier 9s (the same logic behind the old tier 8 prems).
Also with the last point I feel that all tier 9 prems should make a little more money as there isn’t a reason to play them over tier 8 prems but that’s a different issue.
Its clear wargaming only want one thing and that is not to give people a good reward tank they might choose to play instead of buying an op premium. This should definitely be as good as regular techtree tanks. If it had anything to do with your point WG would have to nerve a lot of premiums or at least not make new ones as strong and they do seem to do everything but. Yes I'm looking at you Mr. BZ-176...
@@domin727 so my point on the reworks to the economy is to basically give players a choice. Either to play a tier 9 premium tank that is weaker than normal tier 9s but earns more or player a tier 8 premium which is as good or better than the normal tier 8s but earn less when compared to the tier 9 prems if that makes sense.
@@alphaxalex1634 You could do this and it would not be a bad idea per say, but that would require a rework of a ton of tanks. Wargaming dont show any intention to do any of this. They just want to troll their player base a bit while on the surface appearing generous.
This thing was put in so that newer players can play in tier IX and just be food for the experienced players. Overall it's kind of a good thing for the community.
bold of u to assume this game has lots of new players cuz it dont its 89% the same people that been playing for years which is why the player count is lower than ever for holiday ops
Actually I'm fine with a free underpowered patton tank that could be buffed in the future, rathen then a big mistake from WG flooding the MM and ruining the game for everyone.
Yeah I think they didn't want another bz 176 situation but this tank can definitely be buffed in the future
Yep my thoughts as well. Imo the only thing that's truly holding this thing back is the gun handling. Low dpm doesn't matter if you can at least hit your shots (WZ-114 for example has even worse gun handling but fantastic .33 accuracy. Which if you let it aim hits most of the time) this being .4 is very disappointing.
Oh, my Skoda T 56 will be busy in the following days...
I'll take a free tank. I know it's crappy, but it's free, and free is free.
I'm gonna put QB Commander in "Patton the Tank", since QB doesn't like it, would be funny to hear him quib :)
So maybe an experimental mobility system might be a decent fit on this, but that doesn't really feel worth it as a band aid on a bad tank.
nothing makes this shit anything near decent...
@@berndschuster986 no, and I didn't say fitting that equipment would make it decent.
I will keep in my garage for future trade-in event when that is most likely made available for tier 9s
I feel like this vehicle just exists so the big spenders at teir 10 can seal something in there 100 hour tanks they love to use
Tell me your still at tier 5 after a year without telling me
I think Patton the Tank is a great tank (read target)! Makes for a nice clip when playing the Cobra...
I'm a simple man. When I see that QB has published a tank review, I click on it.
It is like getting a scratchy wool sweater as a present, you are going to try it once and then it ends up in the back of a wardrobe.
A tier 9 is a nice gift. As Quickybaby said yesterday dont look a gifted horse in the mouth. Great job wargaming! Nice crewtrainer.
This is the Christmas present you get were you'd rather play with the box instead.
Kazjoo: “this monster of a heavy-medium underrated tank is insane”
When I entered the game and check the sell price of this I just laughed out loud.
What an absolute insult of a gift.
I wish i could put two vertical stabilizer onto my Emil II.
"This tank is garbage! Say ONE THING that is good about it!" "It looks cool."
Did you just put vents instead of a Vstab on a tank that has 0.22 gun dispersion on the move ?!?! You said yourself that you felt you have to use Vstab on the Renagade, which has 0.15 gun dispersion !
What's the point in gaining a few meters of view range when you can't hit a single shot ???
Equipement for this tank is Turbo (or equivalent) + Vstab + Gun Rammer, not questionnable.
After playing this tank QB, I think the build should be more like a heavy tank. Slap some view range in and the experimental turbo plus vents, it should work fine.
Honey, this is no gift. This is bait. I find myself agreeing with the sentiment you shared at the end of the vid.
If these things populate the matchmaker, it's practically a turkey shoot for anyone else. The casual players hoping to get some crew exp will end up BEING exp for those who know better. Tier 8 TD's (and quite a few other T8's) will absolutely love seeing these things in their matches. WG just introduced a prey item for the consumption and entertainment of all other high tier vehicles, whether they were meta or not~.
I honestly don't blame anyone who felt that this really was more of an insult than a gesture of good will. "It's free, quit complaining" stops being a viable defense when the free thing is a trojan horse that feels like it was designed to entice eager players into becoming targets, all for the promise of faster crew training and free exp.
This comparison of renegade actualy highlights how insanely good of a tank renegade is. By far my most favourite tank in this game. I would like to point out that the cupola weakpoint is not as big of a thing, because most people dont seem to shoot at cupolas nowdays.
good gun depression is balanced with a 10 story building cupola
QB, they already changed the tank. They have buffed it before release, though only slightly. It has had an increase to the dpm and improved accuracy
OK, it looks like at least two aspects of this tank needs to be buffed in order to be "decent". Either View Range+Gun Handling, or View Range+Mobility, or Mobility+Gun Handling. I can live without armor (everyone around those tiers taps the "2" key anyways), but the rest of the things are just ... ugly.
So, to sum up, as Quicky said, all of us may see a lot of people (included myself) playing this tank on the battlefield the next few days, probably a few weeks but soon enough it will disappear and no one will ever play it. At least its free what can i say. Another one to the garage. Mark my words. :)
I use Turbo, Vert stabs and rammer. It is good like that
Thanks @QuickyBabyTV for featuring me in IS 5
Many thanks WG for the garage slot.
Part of me is happy that not only did they give us a free t9 and it also isnt an overpowered, pay to win tactics type of tank, but then because its stats are also so bad im not happy 🤷🏾♂️
Long time ago WG tried to somehow reflect reality in their stats and gave tanks with high cupolas above average view range - which was nice as it helped players to intuitively assert the stats.
Not so any longer it seems with this poor Patton version.
Tbh they should made this a premium tank so while yeah sure it's bad, you earn more credits than your regular tier 9 tanks.
I suspect, that there will be events that require you to play a T9 or T10 - now even inexperienced players will have a T9 tanks, making the event more fun for everybody. And then they'll add some op T9 premiums, that one could also use...
Highly doubt we ever see an op t9 premium they've been pretty good at keeping them at a very low performing level where a premium should be anyways
@@thecompyclub5310 it started the same with T8 premiums being as strong or weaker than the techtree counterpart, now we have the BZ overpowering the techtree counterpart in every way
It's only real strength is the pen and alpha so I'd equip it and play to that, using vstab, rammer and improved aiming. Begin battles by sniping and only after other vehicles are weakened or flanks have opened up you can move and make plays.
Running all premium is not an advantage for the average player
@@BetterCallKahlyeah 242 is kinda weak at tier 9 for something that relies on the gun
Gonna be cope here but imagine if WG purposely releases this for free and waits for everyone to sell it then suddenly uber buff it in a year
Gonna pop in my Kpz 50t or my Tortoise tomorrow and will go for those bots playing a craphouse
Yes free means it sucks, BUT free to a FTP person its a lot. Yall gotta realize free for WOT vets is worthless.
at the time of writing this the present unlocks in 1 minute
I think they should at least give it a free large repair kit, like they did with battle pass tanks if the stats are so bad...
cheers for the review QB.... good to know in adavance so we don't waste too much time on it later.
One should learn to enjoy being the underdog.
I LOVE IT, tier IX is so ez to grind thankx to this abundance of weak tanks it feels like heaven for any other tank
Can’t believe they made a tank that looks this cool this bad. I mean it’s free so I understand but still
that's one hell of a expensive garage slot.
It is a gift to the players playing against them. That's the true gift. It's a gift to the players who watch reviews like this, allowing a very short period of time where you will be able to farm them, especially the noobs playing them.
I'm playing with the tank since yesterday and its working quite well for me. I like it. Don't understand why you're saying it's soooooo bad... really!!
I'm using turbo, vertical stabilizer and coated optics, maybe in the future if the crew got more skills I would drop the optics, but I am considering the tank as a hull down tank with low aggressive nature, try to be behind the action and fire but even if you get caught you will ricochet some shots but the DPM will fail you
Run out of ammo! Thus the difference tween QB's game play and mine. The only time I'm out of ammo is when I loaded in without any