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Im going to jump in here.. The windshield is pure money!! The stock on the pursuit is just too big to really get the use of it.. you kept it down almost all the time but imagine if that was just under all the way up!! Then lowering it, you would have a huge amout of air flow, speaking of airflow the lower vents need to obly be opened like 2 inches to make a wind tunnel effect to pull the hot air off your leg.. i do agree its HOT AF 🔥 with them open all the way!! The cat is under the bike its not really making heat ita the head pipe.. the back rest is 100% available and there is a spot in that seat to put it.. i do like the trunk for the fact that going down the road it will never fly open.. haha im not sure why all the motorcycle companies have gone away from hydraulic clutch but they all seem to have done it.. one last thing the trunk has a security screw that can be added for long trips.. thay wouls require you to take the saddle bags off to take the screw out.. then followed by the trunk.. i hope all this helps.. i have well over 50,000 miles on this platform and some videos.. HMU if you got some other questions! 💪 💪
The lower vents are designed to be adjusted with your boot. I've had two Pursuits and never notices buzziness at speed and higher RPM's. There's plenty of great aftermarket windscreens available. I went with the Klock Werks Flare 11". I actually like the Ride Command Plus. I haven't had to pay for it yet but when I do, I will. The stock suspension is one of the best OEM available options. BTW I had a 22 Pursuit Limited Premium and now have the 23 Elite. The truck works best when firmly slammed. There is a slit in the seat for a back rest. Hardware is available from Indian for installing the backrest. Heat on the right side is better managed with having the vents 3/4 open. Seems like a good review. Thanks for sharing.
I put more than 5,200 miles on a single trip on a brand new pursuit last summer. I loved it. I replaced my windscreen with the 11” flare. You might need a shorter height. Perfect when fully up and great airflow and a cooling blast of wind when it’s down. I think that the electronically adjustable suspension on the premium model is pure gold. The engine is responsive, powerful and runs like a dream. I have the riders back rest, which was readily available on the Indian website, and longer reach bars. The trunk is great if you have gear you want locked away or if you need something charged while you’re riding. I have two more long rides planned next summer and can’t wait to ride again.
Replaced my ultra for a 2022 pursuit limited and haven’t had a single regret. Also, there are two locking screws for the trunk which can on,y be accessed with the saddlebags off. Lastly, Indian does make a drivers backrest for the stock seat. You simply remove the seat install a bracket and the backrest slides in the spot with the looped handle
@RyanUrlacher The locking bolts (screws) can only be removed / installed with the bags removed, or tilted out. They just prevent the release latch from moving. I just use 1 side on only when traveling.
I ride a 2019 Roadmaster and a major reason I ride Indian is for luxury items like electronically adjustable windscreen, remote locking bags/trunk and heated leather seat. I expect premium features like these on a touring bike that is north of 30K.
I just bought a 2023 Indian Pursuit Dark Horse Premium 3 weeks ago. Last week I did a 7 day 1730 mile ride through Arizona. Closing the truck is much easier if you lower it, with one elbow on the truck rack and the other hand on the black bar under the trunk. Pull up on the bar as you push down with your elbow and it latches nicely. My only issue with windshield is I want it shorter so I ordered an an aftermarket tinted one. I love the bike and plan on doing a two week road trip next year. 16 years as a LEO and former motor officer. This bike is a joy to ride and Indian customer service is far better than HD.
Loved my Challenger for 15k. Then I rode the BMW K1600b! The BMW K1600b is superior in just about every aspect. 160hp/133ft lbs of torque. Bidirectional quick shifter, hydronic clutch, automatic suspension adjustment, linked Brembo brakes, heated grips, heated seat, 6 axis IMU, 8,500 rpm redline and it will hang with sport bikes! Baddest bagger on the road period! Nice review though Brian!
I have the same bike with features different color. The heat on the right leg is the only complaint. I use ottocast and a wireless headset for my android phone and works great now after a few updates.. Overall it's a great touring bike.. Thank you for your honest review.
I'd be interested in your eval of this motor in basic, PO Motor Course. My agency uses a Victory Cross Country for patrol, and I HATED it! Lean angle is completely different than the HD and the lean angle is abrupted by the floorboards. I ate the clutch up during the 2-week course, to the point it has never been the same since, after repeated trips to the dealer. Victory Basic PO course instructs students not to use the friction zone as much as the HD course. I own a 2017 Indian Roadmaster and love it. After taking the Basic PO Motor Course, I appreciate the RM even more. Safe riding, and keep up the great content!
I test road a Persuit no too long ago and you're are correct about that heat coming off the right side. My leg was cooking! Overall, this is an awesome bike to tour on and eat those miles up. Great review and very comprehensive. Thanks for this vid.
I bought my 2023 Pursuit February 18 2023, in 6 months I’ve rode 13,000, yes the ride command sucks, but your ankle to pull readable codes through it, your chassis code, would have given you a number to look up, (mine was just needing to reset the electronic suspension) the lower fairings can be opened with your foot, took a while to figure out, double clicking the lock button sets the bike Alarm, I do love it!
When and if my 2016 VICTORY Cross Country Tour ever dies, I will be looking into this model! Besides, a lot of the parts that would have gone on the proposed 2018 VCCT went into this bike! I'm a LARGE rider and need this size bike!
Gobs of room on the Victory CCT, I have a 14 CC, just a solo rider I am. I made almost exact comment a couple days back on the future Victory CCT and CC which would have had this fabulous power plus motor. However I do see a Challenger coming this spring or the next, will find a garage queen.
As a 2023 Pursuit owner I figured out how to deal with the heat on the right side. I adjust the right lower fairing vent to the halfway point. This blows positive pressure which moves the heat away from my boot. Problem solved.
Hi Ryan, I ride a 2021 ROADMASTER Limited. I have 19k miles on it. My personal issues with Ride Command is how dysfunctional Apple CarPlay is. I have a Cardo headset and CarPlay works when it feels like it. Now, I do pay for the service and I like how easy the search is with it, not to impressed with the weather part. What I love most about it, I ride the backroads of WI a lot. I pick a destination, set unpaved roads to N. Avoid highways and tolls. I then let the system pick a route. I absolutely love it. As you say, no bike is perfect. But this bike for me is far better than others. Thank you for your content.
Thanks for sharing!! Definitely an issue with Ride Command not allowing Apple Car Play to load for sure. I use Car Play on motorcycles and multiple vehicles. No issues.
I was an early adopter of the new Indians with the purchase of a new 2014 Chieftain. That bike had a lot of cosmetic issues and the paint looked bad after just three years of ownership. Mechanically it was sound. I liked the remote locking bags and the adjustable windshield. I wasn't a big fan of the TS111. I thought it was underpowered and buzzy at high speeds. I've owned two different H-D touring bikes since, and the Harleys have a much higher quality feel to them. I understand that Indian has made some improvements over the past 10 years and the Pursuit intrigues me enough to take one for a ride when it's time for me to move on from my 2020 RG Limited. Thanks for the review!
There is a small screw located on the trunk disconnect lever. When they are installed, the trunk can't be removed (side bags need to be locked - covers the little screws).
I absolutely love the adjustable windshield. I think it makes a huge difference, and I can comfortably feel the difference in the air temperature. As for the trunk, you have two set screws that can installed on the arms two prevent someone stealing the trunk. Also I’m pretty you can add the Indian driver backrest. For the heat from the PP 108, most of us just do cat delete or run 2-1-1 full exhaust. Plus a good tune helps with the heat. Indian does offer right side stage one air filter (mainly for looks). Thanks for the review.
Thanks. The set screws? Are they a proprietary tool to mount them? Or just standard screws? If you have a link for the OEM backrest, could you post it. Thanks!!
@@RyanUrlacherthe screws come with the trunk mount and are a normal M6x1.0x12 screw. The same system that Victory used on the Cross Country Tour. To be honest we all remove the damn screws as well.
@@RyanUrlacher I don’t own this bike at all but doesn’t the trunk lock and non detachable with the levers locked when the bike is off or a key fob is not near by ?
I didn't think I would use the adjustable windshield too 9ften but the more I ride it the more I use it. It's one of my favorite features and there are plenty of aftermarket Shields for them. Longrider, Freedom Shields and klock works.
To secure the trunk, I use cable luggage locks through the security screw holes. Works like a champ. Easy to insert and remove. I put some foam tape to keep them from wearing the paint.
I have an Indian challenger and I have to say the adjustable electronic windshield is a game changer especially if you wear a half helmet Like I do. I live in northern California and I’ve rode to Mexico, Vegas, Reno and trust me the windshield is awesome especially if you go through places that have bugs
2022 Pursuit owner. I just rolled over 13,000 miles. Rain does not come though the hole in the windshield. Try it if you don't believe me. LOL! 😄 I love it. Better then my Road Master.
Thanks for watching!! I put that windshield up at dusk near the river when the bugs are thick. Bugs came right through that very large hole and smacked my face shield. Just my experience.
You are probably correct. I don't put it up unless it is raining but don't ride at night and I don't like to look though the windshield. Also I have an after market Freedom Shield. So there is that. You got to admit the bike is fun to ride. I don't have the skill you have but still love the sport mode. @@RyanUrlacher
Very interesting opinion. I'm looking to trade in my Triumph next year towards a Indian, one of the things that stood out to me was the cable clutch. It has such a nice feel. The hydraulic clutch on my Triumph gives no feed back at all.
You can lock the trunk on. There is a screw that goes in the latches. There is a slot in the seat for a backrest. Thanks for your honest review. I'm happy to see you riding other motorcycles. I switched from street glide to a challenger. No regrets.
I test rode the persuit with my wife on back. I did notice the heat on my right leg. She said the Harley rode better for a passenger. I really liked it , seemed geared lower than my road glide limited. Not enough for me to trade as i have android Auto. Loved how smooth that persuit was over bumps.
Test ride doesn’t do it justice, you need to enter the rider and passenger weights, luggage etc on the touchscreen. Then it rides like a Mercedes. Angle the right lower vent towards the motor and the heat is gone.
True I didn't do that. It is set on my Harley. Don't like that you have to set the suspension every time you get on the Indian . Unless it defaults to a single person 😮
I just bought a 2015 roadmaster. I can't believe how great this bike is! I currently own a 2020 Road Glide limited that I love, but my Roadmaster is a Great second bike
The slit in the seat is where the back rest mounts. The chassis light will go out on its own. The windshields are made by many companies, get a good one.
I've had the bike for over 30 days now. Riding it all the time. Dash Light still on. Only a few options for windshields in comparison to others w/o electronic setup. Just the way it is. Awesome on the backrest!!
I have the INDIAN PURSUIT DARKHORSE PREMIUM and absolutely loving very moment riding it. Definitely have a rideders back rest which is available from INDIAN for this bike and its really great. I live in Christchurch New Zealand and really enjoyed seeing you on this beautiful INDIAN PURSUIT DARKHORSE PREMIUM. I was always a Harley Davidson Fatboy fan until I went on a test ride on this amazing powerful great technology INDIAN motorcycle. 🫡
I have 15,000 miles on the very same Indian. 2023 Indian Pursuit Dark Horse Premium. I don't feel any vibration in the bars or floorboards. I had the Indian rider backrest installed before I took delivery. The lowers are adjusted with your foot. Also I have found opening the lowers about 75% is best to get the engine heat off your leg. I absolutely love the electric adjusted windshield. The motor runs a constant 182°. I also removed the CAT. I live in South Florida, and don't notice a problem with engine heat.
I was also surprised with the vibration in the handlebars with my 2022 BMW 1250 RT it was the first thing I noticed about the bike when I left the dealership...I did go over 310 miles on one full tank with more to go on a Lake Tahoe road trip....
I have a 22 pursuit and there's 2 Allen bolts that locks the trunk so it can't easily be taken off. Whether or not you use them depends on whether or not you want to remove the trunk alot.
Ryan my man, i truly enjoyed wht seemed to be an honest review of this beauty imo. Thanks for bringing light to the Indian brand, please keep the Indian content coming.
There are screws that lock out the quick release your tool pack has just about everything you need to tighten everything up or remove it. I have packed my Indian Roadmaster heavy 3 bags a 4 person tent queen sized air mattress sleeping bag with full loads in the trunk and bags. No problem opening the trunk enough to get what I needed without removing anything. There is a specific way to load them up to make it all happen.
Nice review Ryan. First time I’ve ever seen someone test the suspension like that. I test rode a Pursuit at Americade this summer and was very impressed. I’m not a fan of a tour pack but knowing it’s easily removed is great. I liked the power and love Indian styling, I just wasn’t financially ready to buy a full sized touring bike yet!
I’ve got well over 100,000 on my Honda ST1300ABS, it has the electric windshield. The biggest problem isn’t being behind the window when it’s cold, it’s during heavy rains. No, I do t raise it all the way up, I find the sweet spot where the wind off the tip of my windshield blows the water off my face shield. It is very handy for the snow, it prevents that 2 to 4 inches of snow from building up on my chest. It’s also handy in heavy head winds and kind of acts like a sail in tail winds, HOWEVER, if it’s all the way up in strong side winds, you’ll find muscles you haven’t used in years as it will want to help steer and make you lean over while going straight.
Yes, you c an purchase the correct height windshield for yourself, however there are times if you have a passenger that the raising and lowering windshield is a BIG ADVANTAGE. I had a Victory Vision before my Harley Ultra Limited. My wife loved for me to raise the windshield when she came along with me!!!
AMEN!!! Of all the good points you made here the one that I was SO GLAD you mentioned was the lack of the hydraulic clutch! I for one was furious when Harley went "back in time" to the cable clutch. Fortunately for me I have a 2020 Ultra Limited, the last year of the hydraulic clutch for HD. I will never buy another bike without one. If you are wondering why I am so adamant about this I had my 2013 Ultra Classic clutch cable snap on me 2 hours from home. I vowed then and there to never buy another bike with a cable clutch. My other bike, a 2007 Honda VTX 1800, has a hydraulic clutch and I have over 102,000 miles on it and I have never had an issue with that clutch. If the Japanese can do it certainly the American companies should be able to as well. RANT OVER!
My 2012 CVO Street Glide has the hydraulic clutch, and I LOVE it. It NEVER needs adjustment and has performed flawlessly for 12 years. It's more expensive to manufacture, which I'm quite certain is why Harley went back to cheaper cable clutches.
W/shield needs to be changed out for a Klockwerks flip or similar. Trunk comes with anti-theft bolts that must have been removed. Seat has a slit to put the available backrest into. Angle the right lower vent towards the motor rather than full open, heats gone. Who spends their time riding in a parking lot like that, it’s a Touring bike and rock stable on the highway! Suspension is very adjustable and can be “calibrated” in the menu, I’ve scraped once in 9k miles. CarPlay has connectivity issues if phone is also paired thru Bluetooth. Have the bike “forget” your phone and no more issues when connected thru usb.
In regards to your comments on how the trunk opens, I agree 100%. The Honda ST1300 genuine Hondaline trunks open the same way and it sucks! Whether you put something on top of the trunk or a bag in the passenger seat like I do, you still have to deal with something to get into the trunk. I’ve ridden with guys that bought Givi trunks that open to the side live them, even though they don’t look as nice, they won’t go back to their Hondaline trunks. I hope Indian does change this, even though I’m not an owner, I can tell them this really matters.
Got my first bike an indian scout rogue and im looking to up grade to either the chieftain or the challenger for my next one. Come this next April i plan to test ride both of them and go from there.
Take a closer look at your seat. I have the same seat and there is a slit in the upper portion to accommodate a back rest. I installed a Grasshopper back rest from Amazon in about 30 minutes
The best way to get consistent reliable performance on an Indian running Apple CarPlay is to NOT plug your phone directly into the bike but to put a Bluetooth Wireless CarPlay dongle between your bike and phone. It’s sounds counterintuitive to add another component but believe me it solved all my annoying connection and dropout issues. Tested on a 15 hour trip. Never failed to connect never dropped out. Before when going direct phone to bike it was a crap shoot wether it would connect or I’d lose it 30 minutes into a ride. I run a Cardo Pactalk Black and run through a AutoSky CarPlay Wireless Adapter Max connected to the bike.
2022 Pursuit owner. I just rolled over 13,000 miles. I took a 4000 mile trip and the ride command worked well most of the trip. When I returned updated the ride command. The ride command has not worked properly since. After contacting the factory there is a problem with the last update. They promised to have it fixed soon. I went back to the old update and it is working again. Right now the $100.00 is not worth it. Love the Apple Car Play. But even that has a glitch or two, Right on. Good job!
That was one of the best reviews I've watched ... Straight forward .. Not derogatory when something wasn't your preference just your opinion of what you'd like to see ... Great job..
I owned a HD Roadking and sold it and purchased an indian. Not going back to HD. I love my Indian Roadmaster but don't care much for the Pursuit. Roadmaster has the same luggage and vents. Lower vents are operated with feet. The trunk has set screws to lock it on. The adjustable windshield works great. At slow speeds it's down at higher speeds it will come up to block wind. Indian has several seat options and some do have backrest options.
Great review, and pretty bike! I have a ‘22 HD Ultra Limited and a lot of your complaints or downsides, I don’t find with my HD. I’m in law enforcement as well, and like you said, the turn radius on the HD is much tighter. Ride safe!
There is a bolt that has to be removed before you can remove the trunk. Once you remove the bolt you can leave it off if you want to be able to remove the trunk like you did in the video. In order to access the bolt you will need to remove the saddle bag. I plan on leaving mine in place. As for the bike itself I am coming from a Goldwing and the wife likes the ride of the Pursuit much better. Thx
Great review Ryan. Think i saw some ol canyon road in here!! The “Victory Persuit” 🍻 My Vic lowers work with my toe, those do too. I have 98K on it now and so I think the Pursuit is in my future . But no back this is an issue for me too. I forgot to open my vents on a hot day last year and noticed that it created a Backdraft that sucked all the heat away from my legs so now I ride with all the vents closed on my cross country. I haven’t had a chance to ride the pursuit in hot weather, but I’m going to try that and see if closing everything creates the same back draft sucks all the heat away. I can’t believe it took me eight years to figure that out! Duh me! ride on and ride with all my friend👍
Great review! 100 % agree with you regarding the trunk. Personally prefer the side opening trunk to accommodate rear seat luggage. Also 100 % agree with your assessment of the windshield.
Hi Ryan, been watching your videos for a while now, I ride an Indian Roadmaster in the UK and found this video quite useful as I have been thinking about upgrading. I did find the frame size is shorter on the Pursuit compared to the Roadmaster and does give you slightly less room when two up. On my seat there is an option for a riders back rest. The windscreen I have is a shorter one & I think with it being adjustable gives my a lot of control in the hot weather & rain to keep cool & clear rain drops in turn. I do run a Facebook page for Indian Riders World Wide are you happy for me to share this Video with a bit of an intro? 2025 we are planning a 3 month trip to the US if you feel you would like to meet up give us a shout back. Regards Stewart
I just bought a 2023 pursuit dark horse with premium. Its my first touring bike, upgrading from a honda shadow aero, so a very big difference. During your time test driving it, did you notice a tiking sound from the motor? My Indian service dealer says its normal with this engine, but on my pursuit it is fairly loud and can be heard over the music playing especially around the 20-45 mph range. Just curious if you or anyone else hears a tiking sound. Thanks, Michael
Personally I have never had an issue with the ride command service. I live the live traffic updates. Allows me to see ahead on how I want to change my riding and prepare for slow/stop points
Thanks Ryan for the review. I completely agree about your view on the hydraulic clutch. I ll keep my 2018 Roadglide Ultra as I do not want to return to cable clutch! How about a review on that Simpson Modular helmet! Sure looks cool!
Simpson, review definitely coming. BTW: just gone my new 2023 Police Electra Glide with cable. We had them switched over to hydraulic clutch OEM parts. It can be done. Money though........
I love the pursuit, I'm just gonna wait until I can get a good deal on one,I can't afford a brand new one, I'll keep riding my scout bobber until then.
I've had a '21 Challenger Limited for three years now. It's next to my '21 Harley SGS 114. Gotta say, that Indian engine is at another level over the M8. So is the Indian suspension over OEM Harley. I have fun riding the Harley, but it is an f'ing blast to ride the Challenger. If Harley can ever come out with an all-new fully liquid cooled 120+ HP touring engine, with a decent suspension and a power windscreen, then I think that would help me look their way for a performance tourer.
Windshield adjustability is definitely a real thing. I have a Chieftain and I change it for the various reasons. Maybe some don’t care but to say it doesn’t make a difference isn’t accurate.
Thanks for commenting. It didn't make a change for me raising or lowering. Maybe because of my height. The all the way down position adequately channeled the wind over me. So, putting it up higher made no difference for me. Again, to my point, I'd rather just get the proper height windshield for me (my height) and not fuss with it. But, each to their own.......Just my experiences.
I have a 2020 Roadmaster and I heard about the heat issue but I have not experienced it on my bike it's no worse than any other and in many cases better. I open the vents in the summer and have no issue i have the stage one air filter the oval-shaped one that adds horsepower and I have fishtail stage one pipes so maybe that helps. I ride in shorts and casual shoes a lot of the time summer in Canada. It gets extremely hot and winters can get brutally cold Canada has extreme heat in summer and extreme cold in winter so maybe we are a little tougher than Yanks when it comes to heat and cold.
About removing the 2nd rider or stuff in the 2 up position to open the tour pack, to be fair, that would have to be removed if if you opened the toir pack sideways.
All of the clutch comments are interesting to me as I have both a Road King with a cable clutch and a Road Glide Special with a hydraulic clutch and I personally prefer the feel of the cable clutch as it has a wider friction zone. I have an aftermarket stage two on the RGS and in round a bouts use the friction zone and having the trans a gear higher to smooth out the whisky throttle effect from the cam lope and loss of low end performance. I have to be very precise with the clutch doing this. It is fine but I feel would be better if it had a cable clutch like my RK. JMO
Thanks Ryan for making this in depth review. Im living in a hot country, where temperatures easily exceeds 40 degree celsius, thus engine heat is a major factor for me. I own a 2019 street glide special M8, im wondering how the engine heat coming off the pursuit compares to the HD M8. Is it roughly the same? More? Less? Thanks
Ryan I'm confused. In the review you said the seat didn't have a slot for a rider backtest. When you're learning on the bike at the end of the video there is a slot in the seat..
I'm still happy with my 2000 fatboy and my 2018 hard candy hotrod red flake street glide special and I do have a good dealer here in Elkhorn Nebraska plus other good bike shops available but keep up the great videos.
The adjustable height windshiee to me is outstanding. Otherwise one would have to purchase and mount several, hoping somehow to find the right height. FWIW
Greetings. A couple things...I have approx 20k km on my 2022 basic Challenger and the vibes minor as they are really don't bother me but I'm usually at 65-70 mph with a lower rpm. As to ride command on my bike to get the gps it's an option & after the first year there is a yearly fee. I am okay with that as the weather radar overlay is very good (retired pilot here) and it is something I find valuable. Different strokes.... I would like to have the hard lowers and a heated seat* - I ride right down to 0'C in the spring and fall. I've been very pleased with the way Indian and my dealer (Headingly Sports) have stood behind me when there have been problems. A couple bikes back was a BMW and while their support is excellent having said that the the support of Indian surpasses that. Again, your mileage may vary. *optional heated Indian seats do not have a slot for a driver backread where my base seat does and i need the backrest.
I have a 22 premium, which has the heated seat. It does come with the opening firva backrest. The Pursuit and Challenger require a bracket specific to those bikes, but use the same backrest as the 111 bikes.
Triangle light should reset itself after a couple restarts. No dealer required.Valid points on opening the trunk. The theft issue is easily mitigated and locked from the factory. Your bike had those bolts removed, apparently. My 22 Darkhorse Icon is a premium model, I have the factory seat and factory backrest. Mapping system sux for sure. Glitchy!! Motor is powerful but heat is a factor.
Great video review! Have you done one for the Indian RoadMaster? I really liked how you put the bike through the trenches. Big fan of your documentary videos as well. Be safe brother. Blessings.
Thanks so much!! Really, it means alot. I put a ton of time and effort in behng thorough. Haven't reviewed a RoadMaster yet. When I send this one back, I'll mention that to Indian marketing. Maybe that's next!! Did a challenger several years ago on the channel.
@@RyanUrlacher sounds good. I will look for the Challenger video. I really appreciate the video because I am hoping to trade up to either the Indian Pursuit or the RoadMaster in the future. I just started riding in 2021. On my second bike, a Honda cruiser, VTX 1300. But I have watched your documentary videos many times. And I am eager to do some big miles soon. Thanks for your response.
Definitely not safe fiddling with vents while riding... nice engine performance. I like that it is water cooled, which equates to a cooler engine and longevity! A backrest is a must. Radiator fans create the experienced heat. No excuse for a bad infotainment system. What the heck? HD needs the competition. Good for Indian :-)
Good, honest review and an entertaining video. You should be able to shave with those floorboards by now. 😆 I have 25k miles on my 22' Pursuit DH Premium Package: the touring seat supports an OEM backrest but it is somewhat expensive. There are aftermarket backrests for less, but the OEM are higher quality IMO, so you get what you pay for. The pillion luggage I use on longer trips has 4 mounting straps: 2 attached from the backside of the luggage to the trunk rack and 2 from the bottom of the luggage to the lower crash bars. When mounted in this configuration, when the trunk lid is opened, the luggage (which is still strapped to the rack) pivots forward such that getting into the trunk is not really difficult. My bike has an 8" flare windshield from Klock Werks. When lowered all the way down, it allows a significant airflow to my helmet. I prefer to ride this way on streets, highways, and side roads. The only time I raise it all the way up is on the Interstate or Freeways going over 70 mph in order to give me a more relaxing pocket for longer ride endurance. I live and ride in hot weather often - the lower fairings, even with the vents open, do make my feet hot at slower speeds.
I would probably replace my 12 FLHTK with one of these over a similarly priced HD RG, but for at least $5k less, the Honda Goldwing Tour DCT is the best bang for your buck.
I really enjoyed this video. Great review! I have a 2023 Indian Pursuit DH Premium. Indian does make a backrest that fits the seat. Unfortunately, you have to buy the backrest and mounting bracket separately.
i am going to preface my comment by saying I am not a die hard Harley rider. I have owned mostly metric sport bikes up until i got older and bought my first Harley, a 2017 Harley Ultra limited. This year i was thinking about a new bike and all the hubbub about the Indians led me to test drive the 2023 Indian Pursuit Premium. After a pretty lengthy test drive i just couldn't pull the trigger. The bike had all the power they said it did. It had all the electronic gadgetry on the dash, it handled great, but nothing about the bike fit me. Its a long bike and a long gas tank. the stretch to the bars was uncomfortable for me, and the top of the winshield at its lowest point was right at my line of sight and the curve was distracting. i would have to change the windscreen or ride with it up slightly, but i live in New Mexico and its HOT here so that was a problem to start with. speaking of heat... the heat coming off the right side was blistering. the model i test drove did not have highway pegs so i had nowhere other than the floor board to keep my foot. it was hotter than my Harley and i swore it was going to melt my boot. There are a lot of pros to this bike, but just as many con's. One con in particular that stuck in my mind is dealer network, there really isn't much for Indian dealerships out here. my wife and i are weekend warriors and always putting 500-600-800 miles a weekend on the bike. I can find a Harley dealer with in a 100 mile radius if need be. Not so much with Indian. the thing that killed the purchase for sure was rider comfort. Although i thought the seating was preety sweet, my wife hated the seating compared to the Ultra seat. The back rest was too firm and stiff and at a more upright angle compared to the Harley. In order for me to buy that bike, at minimum, i could see a bar change, windshield change, and highway pegs. After great debate i ended up with a 2023 Road Glide Limited that i am happy as hell with. it may not have all the bells and whistles the Indan has, but it rides and handles great and sometimes less is more.
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Hey bud, are you gonna do any more Indian Motorcycle reviews? I haven’t seen any lately.
Im going to jump in here.. The windshield is pure money!! The stock on the pursuit is just too big to really get the use of it.. you kept it down almost all the time but imagine if that was just under all the way up!! Then lowering it, you would have a huge amout of air flow, speaking of airflow the lower vents need to obly be opened like 2 inches to make a wind tunnel effect to pull the hot air off your leg.. i do agree its HOT AF 🔥 with them open all the way!! The cat is under the bike its not really making heat ita the head pipe.. the back rest is 100% available and there is a spot in that seat to put it.. i do like the trunk for the fact that going down the road it will never fly open.. haha im not sure why all the motorcycle companies have gone away from hydraulic clutch but they all seem to have done it.. one last thing the trunk has a security screw that can be added for long trips.. thay wouls require you to take the saddle bags off to take the screw out.. then followed by the trunk.. i hope all this helps.. i have well over 50,000 miles on this platform and some videos.. HMU if you got some other questions! 💪 💪
Thanks for sharing!
The lower vents are designed to be adjusted with your boot. I've had two Pursuits and never notices buzziness at speed and higher RPM's. There's plenty of great aftermarket windscreens available. I went with the Klock Werks Flare 11". I actually like the Ride Command Plus. I haven't had to pay for it yet but when I do, I will. The stock suspension is one of the best OEM available options. BTW I had a 22 Pursuit Limited Premium and now have the 23 Elite. The truck works best when firmly slammed. There is a slit in the seat for a back rest. Hardware is available from Indian for installing the backrest. Heat on the right side is better managed with having the vents 3/4 open. Seems like a good review. Thanks for sharing.
I put more than 5,200 miles on a single trip on a brand new pursuit last summer. I loved it. I replaced my windscreen with the 11” flare. You might need a shorter height. Perfect when fully up and great airflow and a cooling blast of wind when it’s down. I think that the electronically adjustable suspension on the premium model is pure gold. The engine is responsive, powerful and runs like a dream. I have the riders back rest, which was readily available on the Indian website, and longer reach bars. The trunk is great if you have gear you want locked away or if you need something charged while you’re riding. I have two more long rides planned next summer and can’t wait to ride again.
Replaced my ultra for a 2022 pursuit limited and haven’t had a single regret. Also, there are two locking screws for the trunk which can on,y be accessed with the saddlebags off. Lastly, Indian does make a drivers backrest for the stock seat. You simply remove the seat install a bracket and the backrest slides in the spot with the looped handle
Thanks for sharing. Are the "locking" screws to "lock" the trunk proprietary heads or just a standard tool?
@RyanUrlacher The locking bolts (screws) can only be removed / installed with the bags removed, or tilted out. They just prevent the release latch from moving. I just use 1 side on only when traveling.
I ride a 2019 Roadmaster and a major reason I ride Indian is for luxury items like electronically adjustable windscreen, remote locking bags/trunk and heated leather seat. I expect premium features like these on a touring bike that is north of 30K.
Ever ride an Indian Chick?
I just bought a 2023 Indian Pursuit Dark Horse Premium 3 weeks ago. Last week I did a 7 day 1730 mile ride through Arizona. Closing the truck is much easier if you lower it, with one elbow on the truck rack and the other hand on the black bar under the trunk. Pull up on the bar as you push down with your elbow and it latches nicely. My only issue with windshield is I want it shorter so I ordered an an aftermarket tinted one. I love the bike and plan on doing a two week road trip next year. 16 years as a LEO and former motor officer. This bike is a joy to ride and Indian customer service is far better than HD.
Loved my Challenger for 15k.
Then I rode the BMW K1600b! The BMW K1600b is superior in just about every aspect. 160hp/133ft lbs of torque. Bidirectional quick shifter, hydronic clutch, automatic suspension adjustment, linked Brembo brakes, heated grips, heated seat, 6 axis IMU, 8,500 rpm redline and it will hang with sport bikes! Baddest bagger on the road period! Nice review though Brian!
I have ridden both the Indian and the BMW and I agree with you on the BMW. The K1600 is a blast the ride for power and handling
Is there a wobble in dirty ait wuth the 1600b?
@@briannash5635
There is wobble in dirty air but it’s not a deal breaker. The K1600 isn’t perfect but it is the best available for sure!
I have the same bike with features different color. The heat on the right leg is the only complaint. I use ottocast and a wireless headset for my android phone and works great now after a few updates.. Overall it's a great touring bike.. Thank you for your honest review.
I'd be interested in your eval of this motor in basic, PO Motor Course. My agency uses a Victory Cross Country for patrol, and I HATED it! Lean angle is completely different than the HD and the lean angle is abrupted by the floorboards. I ate the clutch up during the 2-week course, to the point it has never been the same since, after repeated trips to the dealer. Victory Basic PO course instructs students not to use the friction zone as much as the HD course. I own a 2017 Indian Roadmaster and love it. After taking the Basic PO Motor Course, I appreciate the RM even more. Safe riding, and keep up the great content!
I test road a Persuit no too long ago and you're are correct about that heat coming off the right side. My leg was cooking! Overall, this is an awesome bike to tour on and eat those miles up. Great review and very comprehensive. Thanks for this vid.
I bought my 2023 Pursuit February 18 2023, in 6 months I’ve rode 13,000, yes the ride command sucks, but your ankle to pull readable codes through it, your chassis code, would have given you a number to look up, (mine was just needing to reset the electronic suspension) the lower fairings can be opened with your foot, took a while to figure out, double clicking the lock button sets the bike Alarm, I do love it!
When and if my 2016 VICTORY Cross Country Tour ever dies, I will be looking into this model! Besides, a lot of the parts that would have gone on the proposed 2018 VCCT went into this bike! I'm a LARGE rider and need this size bike!
It may never happen though😆
Gobs of room on the Victory CCT, I have a 14 CC, just a solo rider I am. I made almost exact comment a couple days back on the future Victory CCT and CC which would have had this fabulous power plus motor. However I do see a Challenger coming this spring or the next, will find a garage queen.
As a 2023 Pursuit owner I figured out how to deal with the heat on the right side. I adjust the right lower fairing vent to the halfway point. This blows positive pressure which moves the heat away from my boot. Problem solved.
Hi Ryan, I ride a 2021 ROADMASTER Limited. I have 19k miles on it. My personal issues with Ride Command is how dysfunctional Apple CarPlay is. I have a Cardo headset and CarPlay works when it feels like it.
Now, I do pay for the service and I like how easy the search is with it, not to impressed with the weather part. What I love most about it, I ride the backroads of WI a lot. I pick a destination, set unpaved roads to N. Avoid highways and tolls. I then let the system pick a route. I absolutely love it. As you say, no bike is perfect. But this bike for me is far better than others. Thank you for your content.
Thanks for sharing!! Definitely an issue with Ride Command not allowing Apple Car Play to load for sure. I use Car Play on motorcycles and multiple vehicles. No issues.
I was an early adopter of the new Indians with the purchase of a new 2014 Chieftain. That bike had a lot of cosmetic issues and the paint looked bad after just three years of ownership. Mechanically it was sound. I liked the remote locking bags and the adjustable windshield. I wasn't a big fan of the TS111. I thought it was underpowered and buzzy at high speeds. I've owned two different H-D touring bikes since, and the Harleys have a much higher quality feel to them. I understand that Indian has made some improvements over the past 10 years and the Pursuit intrigues me enough to take one for a ride when it's time for me to move on from my 2020 RG Limited. Thanks for the review!
There is a small screw located on the trunk disconnect lever. When they are installed, the trunk can't be removed (side bags need to be locked - covers the little screws).
I absolutely love the adjustable windshield. I think it makes a huge difference, and I can comfortably feel the difference in the air temperature. As for the trunk, you have two set screws that can installed on the arms two prevent someone stealing the trunk. Also I’m pretty you can add the Indian driver backrest. For the heat from the PP 108, most of us just do cat delete or run 2-1-1 full exhaust. Plus a good tune helps with the heat. Indian does offer right side stage one air filter (mainly for looks). Thanks for the review.
Thanks. The set screws? Are they a proprietary tool to mount them? Or just standard screws? If you have a link for the OEM backrest, could you post it. Thanks!!
@@RyanUrlacherthe screws come with the trunk mount and are a normal M6x1.0x12 screw. The same system that Victory used on the Cross Country Tour. To be honest we all remove the damn screws as well.
Is this bike compatible with the Sena Blu Tooth’s, unlike my HD that required the WHIM and the HD stamped Sena?
@@glendavies651 yes they are. I’ve also connected my Sony headphones to it. Indian doesn’t or hasn’t played that proprietary game yet?
@@RyanUrlacher I don’t own this bike at all but doesn’t the trunk lock and non detachable with the levers locked when the bike is off or a key fob is not near by ?
I didn't think I would use the adjustable windshield too 9ften but the more I ride it the more I use it. It's one of my favorite features and there are plenty of aftermarket Shields for them. Longrider, Freedom Shields and klock works.
To secure the trunk, I use cable luggage locks through the security screw holes. Works like a champ. Easy to insert and remove. I put some foam tape to keep them from wearing the paint.
I have an Indian challenger and
I have to say the adjustable electronic windshield is a game changer especially if you wear a half helmet Like I do. I live in northern California and I’ve rode to Mexico, Vegas, Reno and trust me the windshield is awesome especially if you go through places that have bugs
2022 Pursuit owner. I just rolled over 13,000 miles. Rain does not come though the hole in the windshield. Try it if you don't believe me. LOL! 😄 I love it. Better then my Road Master.
Thanks for watching!! I put that windshield up at dusk near the river when the bugs are thick. Bugs came right through that very large hole and smacked my face shield. Just my experience.
You are probably correct. I don't put it up unless it is raining but don't ride at night and I don't like to look though the windshield. Also I have an after market Freedom Shield. So there is that. You got to admit the bike is fun to ride. I don't have the skill you have but still love the sport mode. @@RyanUrlacher
Totally agree I miss having a hydraulic clutch. I was not happy when Harley got rid of the hydraulic clutch in ‘21
Very interesting opinion. I'm looking to trade in my Triumph next year towards a Indian, one of the things that stood out to me was the cable clutch. It has such a nice feel. The hydraulic clutch on my Triumph gives no feed back at all.
Did you crank up the suspension???
I dig into corners deep & rarely scrap.
I have my suspension jacked up all the way thou.
Nice honest opinion. We have an Indian Challenge Elite and a HD SGS in the stable. But I really love the Indian.
Rock on!! thanks for watching.
10-4@@RyanUrlacher
Brutal honest in depth review. Loved it!
I absolutely loved my time on the Pursuit. Seriously surprised me how defined it is as a cruiser.
You can lock the trunk on. There is a screw that goes in the latches. There is a slot in the seat for a backrest. Thanks for your honest review. I'm happy to see you riding other motorcycles. I switched from street glide to a challenger. No regrets.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I test rode the persuit with my wife on back. I did notice the heat on my right leg. She said the Harley rode better for a passenger. I really liked it , seemed geared lower than my road glide limited. Not enough for me to trade as i have android Auto. Loved how smooth that persuit was over bumps.
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Test ride doesn’t do it justice, you need to enter the rider and passenger weights, luggage etc on the touchscreen. Then it rides like a Mercedes. Angle the right lower vent towards the motor and the heat is gone.
True I didn't do that. It is set on my Harley. Don't like that you have to set the suspension every time you get on the Indian . Unless it defaults to a single person 😮
I just bought a 2015 roadmaster. I can't believe how great this bike is! I currently own a 2020 Road Glide limited that I love, but my Roadmaster is a
Great second bike
The slit in the seat is where the back rest mounts. The chassis light will go out on its own. The windshields are made by many companies, get a good one.
I've had the bike for over 30 days now. Riding it all the time. Dash Light still on. Only a few options for windshields in comparison to others w/o electronic setup. Just the way it is. Awesome on the backrest!!
I have the INDIAN PURSUIT DARKHORSE PREMIUM and absolutely loving very moment riding it. Definitely have a rideders back rest which is available from INDIAN for this bike and its really great. I live in Christchurch New Zealand and really enjoyed seeing you on this beautiful INDIAN PURSUIT DARKHORSE PREMIUM. I was always a Harley Davidson Fatboy fan until I went on a test ride on this amazing powerful great technology INDIAN motorcycle. 🫡
I have 15,000 miles on the very same Indian.
2023 Indian Pursuit Dark Horse Premium.
I don't feel any vibration in the bars or floorboards.
I had the Indian rider backrest installed before I took delivery.
The lowers are adjusted with your foot.
Also I have found opening the lowers about 75% is best to get the engine heat off your leg.
I absolutely love the electric adjusted windshield.
The motor runs a constant 182°.
I also removed the CAT.
I live in South Florida, and don't notice a problem with engine heat.
I was also surprised with the vibration in the handlebars with my 2022 BMW 1250 RT it was the first thing I noticed about the bike when I left the dealership...I did go over 310 miles on one full tank with more to go on a Lake Tahoe road trip....
I have a 22 pursuit and there's 2 Allen bolts that locks the trunk so it can't easily be taken off. Whether or not you use them depends on whether or not you want to remove the trunk alot.
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better 👍
Ryan my man, i truly enjoyed wht seemed to be an honest review of this beauty imo. Thanks for bringing light to the Indian brand, please keep the Indian content coming.
I appreciate that!
There are screws that lock out the quick release your tool pack has just about everything you need to tighten everything up or remove it. I have packed my Indian Roadmaster heavy 3 bags a 4 person tent queen sized air mattress sleeping bag with full loads in the trunk and bags. No problem opening the trunk enough to get what I needed without removing anything. There is a specific way to load them up to make it all happen.
Nice review Ryan. First time I’ve ever seen someone test the suspension like that. I test rode a Pursuit at Americade this summer and was very impressed. I’m not a fan of a tour pack but knowing it’s easily removed is great. I liked the power and love Indian styling, I just wasn’t financially ready to buy a full sized touring bike yet!
Thanks! 👍
Great, thorough review. Hope you had as much fun making the video as we did watching it. Well done, and thank you.
Much appreciated!
I’ve got well over 100,000 on my Honda ST1300ABS, it has the electric windshield. The biggest problem isn’t being behind the window when it’s cold, it’s during heavy rains. No, I do t raise it all the way up, I find the sweet spot where the wind off the tip of my windshield blows the water off my face shield.
It is very handy for the snow, it prevents that 2 to 4 inches of snow from building up on my chest.
It’s also handy in heavy head winds and kind of acts like a sail in tail winds, HOWEVER, if it’s all the way up in strong side winds, you’ll find muscles you haven’t used in years as it will want to help steer and make you lean over while going straight.
Yes, you c an purchase the correct height windshield for yourself, however there are times if you have a passenger that the raising and lowering windshield is a BIG ADVANTAGE. I had a Victory Vision before my Harley Ultra Limited. My wife loved for me to raise the windshield when she came along with me!!!
AMEN!!! Of all the good points you made here the one that I was SO GLAD you mentioned was the lack of the hydraulic clutch! I for one was furious when Harley went "back in time" to the cable clutch. Fortunately for me I have a 2020 Ultra Limited, the last year of the hydraulic clutch for HD. I will never buy another bike without one. If you are wondering why I am so adamant about this I had my 2013 Ultra Classic clutch cable snap on me 2 hours from home. I vowed then and there to never buy another bike with a cable clutch. My other bike, a 2007 Honda VTX 1800, has a hydraulic clutch and I have over 102,000 miles on it and I have never had an issue with that clutch. If the Japanese can do it certainly the American companies should be able to as well. RANT OVER!
My 2012 CVO Street Glide has the hydraulic clutch, and I LOVE it. It NEVER needs adjustment and has performed flawlessly for 12 years. It's more expensive to manufacture, which I'm quite certain is why Harley went back to cheaper cable clutches.
W/shield needs to be changed out for a Klockwerks flip or similar. Trunk comes with anti-theft bolts that must have been removed. Seat has a slit to put the available backrest into. Angle the right lower vent towards the motor rather than full open, heats gone. Who spends their time riding in a parking lot like that, it’s a Touring bike and rock stable on the highway! Suspension is very adjustable and can be “calibrated” in the menu, I’ve scraped once in 9k miles. CarPlay has connectivity issues if phone is also paired thru Bluetooth. Have the bike “forget” your phone and no more issues when connected thru usb.
This was an excellent review. You answered every question I had about Indian. Great job, Ryan!
In regards to your comments on how the trunk opens, I agree 100%.
The Honda ST1300 genuine Hondaline trunks open the same way and it sucks! Whether you put something on top of the trunk or a bag in the passenger seat like I do, you still have to deal with something to get into the trunk.
I’ve ridden with guys that bought Givi trunks that open to the side live them, even though they don’t look as nice, they won’t go back to their Hondaline trunks. I hope Indian does change this, even though I’m not an owner, I can tell them this really matters.
I rode Harleys for many years. After getting my Challenger last year I will never ride a Harley again.
Got my first bike an indian scout rogue and im looking to up grade to either the chieftain or the challenger for my next one. Come this next April i plan to test ride both of them and go from there.
Take a closer look at your seat. I have the same seat and there is a slit in the upper portion to accommodate a back rest. I installed a Grasshopper back rest from Amazon in about 30 minutes
The best way to get consistent reliable performance on an Indian running Apple CarPlay is to NOT plug your phone directly into the bike but to put a Bluetooth Wireless CarPlay dongle between your bike and phone. It’s sounds counterintuitive to add another component but believe me it solved all my annoying connection and dropout issues. Tested on a 15 hour trip. Never failed to connect never dropped out. Before when going direct phone to bike it was a crap shoot wether it would connect or I’d lose it 30 minutes into a ride. I run a Cardo Pactalk Black and run through a AutoSky CarPlay Wireless Adapter Max connected to the bike.
Thanks for sharing. I think Indian should fix this in future iterations, so no alternative dongle is needed. Ride safe
2022 Pursuit owner. I just rolled over 13,000 miles. I took a 4000 mile trip and the ride command worked well most of the trip. When I returned updated the ride command. The ride command has not worked properly since. After contacting the factory there is a problem with the last update. They promised to have it fixed soon. I went back to the old update and it is working again. Right now the $100.00 is not worth it. Love the Apple Car Play. But even that has a glitch or two, Right on. Good job!
Thanks for sharing and watching!!
That was one of the best reviews I've watched ... Straight forward .. Not derogatory when something wasn't your preference just your opinion of what you'd like to see ... Great job..
Ryan, thanks for a honest and balanced review. Well done.
Very welcome. Thanks much
I owned a HD Roadking and sold it and purchased an indian. Not going back to HD.
I love my Indian Roadmaster but don't care much for the Pursuit. Roadmaster has the same luggage and vents. Lower vents are operated with feet. The trunk has set screws to lock it on. The adjustable windshield works great. At slow speeds it's down at higher speeds it will come up to block wind. Indian has several seat options and some do have backrest options.
Great review, and pretty bike!
I have a ‘22 HD Ultra Limited and a lot of your complaints or downsides, I don’t find with my HD. I’m in law enforcement as well, and like you said, the turn radius on the HD is much tighter.
Ride safe!
Great review! I have a 23 Pursuit Premium Package and added the rider backrest before I even left the dealership.
Right on
There is a bolt that has to be removed before you can remove the trunk. Once you remove the bolt you can leave it off if you want to be able to remove the trunk like you did in the video. In order to access the bolt you will need to remove the saddle bag. I plan on leaving mine in place. As for the bike itself I am coming from a Goldwing and the wife likes the ride of the Pursuit much better. Thx
I don't know about your specific saddle but I was able to ad a backrest to my 2023 Pursuit Limited.
Great review Ryan. Think i saw some ol canyon road in here!!
The “Victory Persuit” 🍻
My Vic lowers work with my toe, those do too.
I have 98K on it now and so I think the Pursuit is in my future . But no back this is an issue for me too. I forgot to open my vents on a hot day last year and noticed that it created a Backdraft that sucked all the heat away from my legs so now I ride with all the vents closed on my cross country. I haven’t had a chance to ride the pursuit in hot weather, but I’m going to try that and see if closing everything creates the same back draft sucks all the heat away. I can’t believe it took me eight years to figure that out!
Duh me! ride on and ride with all my friend👍
Thanks for watching and commenting!!
The backrest slots into the slit on the front of the passenger's seat, and it dose get hot on the right hand side.
Thanks for sharing
There is two bolts to lock the trunk on the back take the saddle bags off to put the screws in to secure the trunk
Just a heads up there is a spot for a back rest on that seat an the lower vents are made to be opened and closed with your feet not your hands.
thanks
Check Ultimate Seats. They are the only company I found that make seats for the Super Chief Limited. And they show seats for the Pursuit. ✌️
I just bought mine and i was wondering if mine was the only one that gets hot. Looking for an answer i found this video. Thank for the review.
Angle the lower vents towards the motor rather than straight at your feet for cooler legs 🇦🇺
This was the best Indian pursuit review I’ve seen. Keep up the good work.
Thanks a ton!
Always joyful to watch your reviews.
Great review! 100 % agree with you regarding the trunk. Personally prefer the side opening trunk to accommodate rear seat luggage. Also 100 % agree with your assessment of the windshield.
Hi Ryan, been watching your videos for a while now, I ride an Indian Roadmaster in the UK and found this video quite useful as I have been thinking about upgrading. I did find the frame size is shorter on the Pursuit compared to the Roadmaster and does give you slightly less room when two up. On my seat there is an option for a riders back rest. The windscreen I have is a shorter one & I think with it being adjustable gives my a lot of control in the hot weather & rain to keep cool & clear rain drops in turn. I do run a Facebook page for Indian Riders World Wide are you happy for me to share this Video with a bit of an intro? 2025 we are planning a 3 month trip to the US if you feel you would like to meet up give us a shout back. Regards Stewart
I just bought a 2023 pursuit dark horse with premium. Its my first touring bike, upgrading from a honda shadow aero, so a very big difference. During your time test driving it, did you notice a tiking sound from the motor? My Indian service dealer says its normal with this engine, but on my pursuit it is fairly loud and can be heard over the music playing especially around the 20-45 mph range. Just curious if you or anyone else hears a tiking sound. Thanks, Michael
Personally I have never had an issue with the ride command service. I live the live traffic updates. Allows me to see ahead on how I want to change my riding and prepare for slow/stop points
I own a 2023 Pursuit Limited Premium. Thank you offering honest unbiased review.
Thanks much. That means alot to me.
Thanks Ryan for the review. I completely agree about your view on the hydraulic clutch. I ll keep my 2018 Roadglide Ultra as I do not want to return to cable clutch! How about a review on that Simpson Modular helmet! Sure looks cool!
Simpson, review definitely coming. BTW: just gone my new 2023 Police Electra Glide with cable. We had them switched over to hydraulic clutch OEM parts. It can be done. Money though........
My Concours has an adjustable windscreen. At first I was like, meh. Now I really like having height options.
you can use your feet for the lower vents.
Great review. That’s definitely the bike I want, hands down. Very beautiful bike.
I love the pursuit, I'm just gonna wait until I can get a good deal on one,I can't afford a brand new one, I'll keep riding my scout bobber until then.
I've had a '21 Challenger Limited for three years now. It's next to my '21 Harley SGS 114. Gotta say, that Indian engine is at another level over the M8. So is the Indian suspension over OEM Harley.
I have fun riding the Harley, but it is an f'ing blast to ride the Challenger. If Harley can ever come out with an all-new fully liquid cooled 120+ HP touring engine, with a decent suspension and a power windscreen, then I think that would help me look their way for a performance tourer.
Windshield adjustability is definitely a real thing. I have a Chieftain and I change it for the various reasons. Maybe some don’t care but to say it doesn’t make a difference isn’t accurate.
Thanks for commenting. It didn't make a change for me raising or lowering. Maybe because of my height. The all the way down position adequately channeled the wind over me. So, putting it up higher made no difference for me. Again, to my point, I'd rather just get the proper height windshield for me (my height) and not fuss with it. But, each to their own.......Just my experiences.
I have a 2020 Roadmaster and I heard about the heat issue but I have not experienced it on my bike it's no worse than any other and in many cases better. I open the vents in the summer and have no issue i have the stage one air filter the oval-shaped one that adds horsepower and I have fishtail stage one pipes so maybe that helps. I ride in shorts and casual shoes a lot of the time summer in Canada. It gets extremely hot and winters can get brutally cold Canada has extreme heat in summer and extreme cold in winter so maybe we are a little tougher than Yanks when it comes to heat and cold.
Of course you can get a locking trunk .Indian sells a kit for it. Yours should have come with a bolt that goes through to keep the trunk from theft.
About removing the 2nd rider or stuff in the 2 up position to open the tour pack, to be fair, that would have to be removed if if you opened the toir pack sideways.
All of the clutch comments are interesting to me as I have both a Road King with a cable clutch and a Road Glide Special with a hydraulic clutch and I personally prefer the feel of the cable clutch as it has a wider friction zone. I have an aftermarket stage two on the RGS and in round a bouts use the friction zone and having the trans a gear higher to smooth out the whisky throttle effect from the cam lope and loss of low end performance. I have to be very precise with the clutch doing this. It is fine but I feel would be better if it had a cable clutch like my RK. JMO
Thanks Ryan for making this in depth review.
Im living in a hot country, where temperatures easily exceeds 40 degree celsius, thus engine heat is a major factor for me.
I own a 2019 street glide special M8, im wondering how the engine heat coming off the pursuit compares to the HD M8. Is it roughly the same? More? Less?
Thanks
Ryan I'm confused. In the review you said the seat didn't have a slot for a rider backtest. When you're learning on the bike at the end of the video there is a slot in the seat..
Good info and great video Ryan.😎
Thanks! 👍
I'm still happy with my 2000 fatboy and my 2018 hard candy hotrod red flake street glide special and I do have a good dealer here in Elkhorn Nebraska plus other good bike shops available but keep up the great videos.
Right on!
The adjustable height windshiee to me is outstanding. Otherwise one would have to purchase and mount several, hoping somehow to find the right height. FWIW
Greetings. A couple things...I have approx 20k km on my 2022 basic Challenger and the vibes minor as they are really don't bother me but I'm usually at 65-70 mph with a lower rpm. As to ride command on my bike to get the gps it's an option & after the first year there is a yearly fee. I am okay with that as the weather radar overlay is very good (retired pilot here) and it is something I find valuable. Different strokes.... I would like to have the hard lowers and a heated seat* - I ride right down to 0'C in the spring and fall. I've been very pleased with the way Indian and my dealer (Headingly Sports) have stood behind me when there have been problems. A couple bikes back was a BMW and while their support is excellent having said that the the support of Indian surpasses that. Again, your mileage may vary.
*optional heated Indian seats do not have a slot for a driver backread where my base seat does and i need the backrest.
I have a 22 premium, which has the heated seat. It does come with the opening firva backrest. The Pursuit and Challenger require a bracket specific to those bikes, but use the same backrest as the 111 bikes.
Great review! If I were to get an Indian, it would be the Pursuit. However, I am a forever Road Glide rider.
My adjustable windshield on my Honda makes the world of difference to regulate temperature. Prefer adjustable over stationary window.
Ryan I use blue tooth to program the navigation system on the ride command so much easier than the way you showed
Yah, either way works. Pass it or just throw a memory stick in. Harley Boom is the same.
Triangle light should reset itself after a couple restarts. No dealer required.Valid points on opening the trunk. The theft issue is easily mitigated and locked from the factory. Your bike had those bolts removed, apparently. My 22 Darkhorse Icon is a premium model, I have the factory seat and factory backrest. Mapping system sux for sure. Glitchy!! Motor is powerful but heat is a factor.
I still have the bike 40 days later. No reset. Still there.
Great video review! Have you done one for the Indian RoadMaster? I really liked how you put the bike through the trenches. Big fan of your documentary videos as well. Be safe brother. Blessings.
Thanks so much!! Really, it means alot. I put a ton of time and effort in behng thorough. Haven't reviewed a RoadMaster yet. When I send this one back, I'll mention that to Indian marketing. Maybe that's next!! Did a challenger several years ago on the channel.
@@RyanUrlacher sounds good. I will look for the Challenger video. I really appreciate the video because I am hoping to trade up to either the Indian Pursuit or the RoadMaster in the future. I just started riding in 2021. On my second bike, a Honda cruiser, VTX 1300. But I have watched your documentary videos many times. And I am eager to do some big miles soon. Thanks for your response.
Definitely not safe fiddling with vents while riding... nice engine performance. I like that it is water cooled, which equates to a cooler engine and longevity! A backrest is a must. Radiator fans create the experienced heat. No excuse for a bad infotainment system. What the heck? HD needs the competition. Good for Indian :-)
Always wonderful content. Have a great
Christmas, God Bless, Gregor:)
Good, honest review and an entertaining video. You should be able to shave with those floorboards by now. 😆 I have 25k miles on my 22' Pursuit DH Premium Package: the touring seat supports an OEM backrest but it is somewhat expensive. There are aftermarket backrests for less, but the OEM are higher quality IMO, so you get what you pay for. The pillion luggage I use on longer trips has 4 mounting straps: 2 attached from the backside of the luggage to the trunk rack and 2 from the bottom of the luggage to the lower crash bars. When mounted in this configuration, when the trunk lid is opened, the luggage (which is still strapped to the rack) pivots forward such that getting into the trunk is not really difficult. My bike has an 8" flare windshield from Klock Werks. When lowered all the way down, it allows a significant airflow to my helmet. I prefer to ride this way on streets, highways, and side roads. The only time I raise it all the way up is on the Interstate or Freeways going over 70 mph in order to give me a more relaxing pocket for longer ride endurance. I live and ride in hot weather often - the lower fairings, even with the vents open, do make my feet hot at slower speeds.
I would probably replace my 12 FLHTK with one of these over a similarly priced HD RG, but for at least $5k less, the Honda Goldwing Tour DCT is the best bang for your buck.
I really enjoyed this video. Great review! I have a 2023 Indian Pursuit DH Premium. Indian does make a backrest that fits the seat. Unfortunately, you have to buy the backrest and mounting bracket separately.
Thanks for the info!
i am going to preface my comment by saying I am not a die hard Harley rider. I have owned mostly metric sport bikes up until i got older and bought my first Harley, a 2017 Harley Ultra limited. This year i was thinking about a new bike and all the hubbub about the Indians led me to test drive the 2023 Indian Pursuit Premium. After a pretty lengthy test drive i just couldn't pull the trigger. The bike had all the power they said it did. It had all the electronic gadgetry on the dash, it handled great, but nothing about the bike fit me. Its a long bike and a long gas tank. the stretch to the bars was uncomfortable for me, and the top of the winshield at its lowest point was right at my line of sight and the curve was distracting. i would have to change the windscreen or ride with it up slightly, but i live in New Mexico and its HOT here so that was a problem to start with. speaking of heat... the heat coming off the right side was blistering. the model i test drove did not have highway pegs so i had nowhere other than the floor board to keep my foot. it was hotter than my Harley and i swore it was going to melt my boot. There are a lot of pros to this bike, but just as many con's. One con in particular that stuck in my mind is dealer network, there really isn't much for Indian dealerships out here. my wife and i are weekend warriors and always putting 500-600-800 miles a weekend on the bike. I can find a Harley dealer with in a 100 mile radius if need be. Not so much with Indian. the thing that killed the purchase for sure was rider comfort. Although i thought the seating was preety sweet, my wife hated the seating compared to the Ultra seat. The back rest was too firm and stiff and at a more upright angle compared to the Harley. In order for me to buy that bike, at minimum, i could see a bar change, windshield change, and highway pegs. After great debate i ended up with a 2023 Road Glide Limited that i am happy as hell with. it may not have all the bells and whistles the Indan has, but it rides and handles great and sometimes less is more.
Thanks for sharing!