The Engine Chrysler SHOULD Have Developed
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Long before Daytona Mystery Motors and Boss Fords, Chrysler was mass producing canted valve V-8's..Not for performance, but for economy. They really missed the boat with this one.
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My grandfather was a firm believer in these engines. As he would say uses Hemi bottom end components and were almost unstoppable. He had one of these engines in his 63 D200
My wife and I bought a 1964 dodge 440, it is a grandma car with this motor. Best car I have ever owned! Easy to work on, power to spare, goes 120 on the highway with no problems.Starts up with the outside temp. of -20 degrees! Love it!!!
Economy is right. I had one of those in my 73 Plymouth Satellite Sebring + and I once got 400 miles on a single tank of gas. All on the highway of course. That engine was as smooth as silk and as powerful as I ever needed it to be.
The only way that would be possible is if somebody swapped out the motors
I had the 71 model with a 440 and pasted everything but a gas station even with the 271 gears. I really miss that car
I love teaching Chevy guys about this motor it also helps teach people about the most efficient way to lay out valves and flow when you compare side by side to canted to stacked
My dad had this engine with factory 4 barrel and scavenger exhaust manifolds in a 57 Fury. The only mod was JCPenney slicks and timing advance. Ran it very successfully in stock amateur drags around the Pittsburgh area in 59 and 60. Was a little slow off the line, but purely wicked mid track winning nearly every time.
Wait JCPenney used to sell tires??
@@Coronet_shop maybe JC Whitney
Those JCPenney tires I think look like Mickey Thompsons
@@ZacLowing that's what I thinking too afterwards
@@Coronet_shop And Sears sold HOUSES!! Screw AMAZON-I would rather look at something in person than order blind and discover someone didn't do their job, and now my new thing-a-ma-Bob wont fit at 7:00 Friday night, and the drag strip is scheduled to open at 12:00 the next day....
Whats cool is that the early poly motors are a great source of hemi bottom ends, as only the 313, 318, and 326 ones will not take hemi heads as a bolt on. You are limited on cam lift because the valve reliefs are not in the right spot and you have to swap in a hemi cam due to the different valve layout, but its a easy swap.
I would presume that engine was in my parent's 57 Belevedere. I could sleep like a baby when that motor purred. OK, I was a baby at first, but they had the car until I was 9. It was so full of holes we could see the road beneath our feet! Mom would yell, "PUDDLE!!", and we'd have to lift our feet or get soaked.
I remember the road runner ads where the coyote would put his feet through the floor and then run to chase the road runner. I didn't get that, until many years later, living in the salt belt.
Fred Flintstone car.
That era of mopars rusted out incredibly fast and it really makes me wonder why....a damn shame to the virgil exner designed mopars are some of the coolest body styles ever made....and very very few left...certainly due to rusting so badly
@@adammarsden4650 Chrysler Curse I call it. Still active to this day!
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I owned two of these engines one in a 1958 Plymouth Belvedere and the other in a 1966 Fury which was the last year for them. Both were reliable smooth running and fairly economical to run engines.
Uncle Tony was fighting back the urge to hug that engine lol
Haha...I was thinking the same thing.
no suck on that siggie
I would have
I heard they both ran to Vegas and eloped.
If you ever had a 318 poly motor, you'd understand... heck, I'm jealous just looking at it (and pining for the good old days)
I'm one of the guys that plays with these and I was the first to dyno the new Chrysler Power intake (Thanks Roland-RIP Buddy). Love these engines! My OE 318 ran very well but I Turned mine into a 392 ci stroker motor, .040" over, 4" LA crank, 9.5:1, .470 cam, CP intake, dyno'd at 405 hp, 472 tq. Makes for a nice street motor in a 65 Coronet 'vert! ;) Bill from Conowingo, MD
*throws empty water bottle around like a boss*
Me: ok tony I’ll watch the damn video.
It was actually gasoline
This guy gets it
this motor is a big block not a small block
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I ran one for a short while in a 62 Dart "road toad". It lacked hp but had an amazing low steady strong 500 rpm idle it had a Stromberg 2bbl carb . I sold the whole engine for $50.00 and dropped in a 400 from a New Yorker had to sorce a BB push button trans that took some time too locate.
It's hard to beat a 318 for good, old daily use. This one, all the more.
My Dad had a 62 Plymouth Belvedere 313 v8, I was 16 and had my license, that car was a rocket, a 62 Impala 327 try to pass me one night, later the friend said he had the chev all out and could not over take me, young and stupid huh lol
Yep, even into the magnum era they're still solid. Uncle has a '98 Ram with the 5.2 (318). Been driven all up and down the east coast, shame the odometer's went out as we're sure it exceeded 300K.
@@cpufreak101 second that. I have a 93 dakota with rebuilt 5.2mag, offroad/truck cam package. I whoop cars i shoulded be able to. All it needs is a bottle and locker. Hell my stock 5.2 grand puts in work with the all wheel drive holding it to the road
learned to drive in a 1970 dodge d-100 ..... 318 and 4 speed stick with granny low.....no power anything
did that in the twin cities MN...... exhaust rusted to the manifolds..... on 6 lanes of freeway
it got some looks
Ken Call: I love them both - specially the leaning tower of power! But I have to admit, my most cherished was the 340. That little darlin’ was sweet!
My first rebuild project was a 318 dodge,in my dad's station wagon. I had big plans,like all kids,i found a two four barrel manifold,and was keen on using it on this 64 . my dad saw the setup of 2 four barrels on the table,next to the original 2 barrel carb and manifold,and told me to forget about my hot rod dreams,with his car,anyway. Good vibes,tony#
I had a poly years ago in a 78 Plymouth trail duster. It pulled the 4x4 around good. Keep up the good videos. I could have a couple beers and talk old Mopars with you sometime.
I agree Chrysler should have ran with the poly design and took it a little further in development would of been interesting to see wat they would of did!
Had a 64 Plymouth Fury with the 318 poly and you are correct from about 1800 to 4000 rpm it shined. Really smooth power band. Mine was a 2bbl. I found a 4 bbl intake but there was some reason it wouldn't fit on my 64 and I forget exactly why that was a long damn time ago.
Had a 2 bbl Poly 318 in my 61' Dodge Power Wagon Crew Cab. What a great motor!! She'd cruise all day @ 75 mph!!
I had a 58 Plymouth with one. Just a 2 barrel carb, and it ran great. Even just a 2 barrel was a lot of engine when you consider the cars handling, braking, and tires of the time. It is such unusual engine that it would be cool in a low budget 20 0r 30's hot rod. I don't know about the heads for sure, but from the little I was researching it seemed possible to stroke the 318 to 400 cubic inches and make 400 horsepower, which might not seem like that much these days, but a lot of people lose sight of how important torque numbers are as well. Maybe part of that is in the gearing ...more gears higher over drives to have lower gears to compensate for the short coming in the torque curve.
I was in the pits back in 1965 and ran into a guy with a 318 Semi- Hemi 65 Dodge. He blew off everything in His class and I believe could have taken some of the Higher classes Too. Real strong Engine.
That reminds me now that we're on motorhomes I saw a really small Winnebago once and it had a newer 318 but it said 245 horsepower on the air cleaner I wanted to buy it just for that engine it wasn't the poly it was a newer 318 the motorhome has been trashed basically on the inside but still run like hell we drove it around the block, it was original matching number vehicle
motor homes have crate motor's in them so who knows what it could be just most are 440 mag if it is mopar but i got 2 454 strokers out of them and a square port head 427 but u can get up to a ls 6 454 in them best way to check them is find the paper work on it and the year of it and size can make the different and i have seen 318 in them too 340 and 360 also even a hemi can be in the older one's it's like a box of chocolates u never know what ur going to get best part is u can get them for free
I thought the 413 was the largest motor produced in 1964 but that was for cars. Motorhomes might have had a different size.
@@barnabyjones6995 my 64 dodge motor had a 318 poly ..
@@barnabyjones6995 the poly was physically a large looking engine it handled the motorhome fine gobs of torque
@@barnabyjones6995 i'm talking all years of motor homes like if it is chevy the old one had 396 and 427 in them if 70 and 80 most had 454 in them mopar are hard to say what it mite have in it fords had a lot of fe blocks then 460 was the popular choice but all are crate motor or engines just keeping the people happy
Installed a '58 Golden Commando 318 in our family's 1957 9 passenger station wagon. Had 2 four-barrel carbs and (correct me if I'm wrong) a solid lifter cam. As a 17 yr old driving this wagon it was a little difficult to get a street race, but when I did, this sleeper blew the doors off many a Chevy and Ford.
My memory of the original 318 was watching a group of rodders in the mid '60's trying to get one started after putting in a hot cam. No Go! Turns out the engine was built in Canada, with a different firing order than the US assembled motors! You either had to find a cam built for the Canadian firing order, or swap crankshaft and cam at the same time. The "oh, shit" issue stayed with me all these years! Thanks for the memories!
Dang Tony, I wish you were my neighbor so I could show up in your driveway to soak up knowledge. I didn't even like Mopar until I started watching your channel now I have the bug to buy one.
Not like MOPARS, that's blasphemy. When I was young I always like the MOPARS and thats what I drove. An old man asked me once, why I drove Chrysler products (in the 70's). He said he would never own another Chrysler product because when it gets cold they won't start. I asked him what he had that wouldn't start and he said it was like a 38 model Plymouth. People get things in their head and it hangs around the rest of their life.
Mopar is good. I have a second gen ram with 400k+ miles on it same trans and same 5.9 faster runs like a new one
Mopars are awesome!!! Easy to work on too.
@@jasonsimone3523 my 360 is getting punched and stroked to a 408 shout out to Sam's speed shop in dugger Indiana
Every family needs an uncle Tony. The world would fire on all cylinders!
You should make a hat or shirt with your saying: “Im bonding with this motor” thats classical.
He is in love.
Correction : Engine ! all motors are powered by electricity . All engines make power by burning fuel .
My dad had a 318 poly 4 barrel in a 1963 2door Plymouth. Was his favorite car for the money he said he ever had. It was his late 1960s winter beater here in Ohio. His other car was a 68 charger with a 440.
I had a poly 318 in my '68 Fury and it moved that full sized car real well. Like you say, not a hot rod but for a small block in a big car it did the job well.
I wish I had one to put in a '67 - '69 Dart. Hmmm, maybe !
I've been around so many different engines in my life I lost count... There is two chrysler engines in particular that stood out to me lol. I'll explain, I had a old dodge truck years ago with a 318, and 727 torque flight transmission. I beat the living shit out of this. I'm talking wide open throttle for 10 minutes straight over and over and over and over and over and over x 100. lol I used to jump it, race it, submerge it, rev it... back then I knew nothing about chrysler mound road engines (Light-A) engines. So I got to the point I couldn't believe this dam thing was still running, in my brain it was physically possible.. SO i started trying to break it, I'm talking sitting in neutral with the pedal to the floor (they had no rev limiter back in the old days, they'd just rev til the valves couldn't open and close fast enough) that engine never died.. never burned oil, never leaked water, never smoked... nothing.. lol It got to the point the truck was so rotted into the ground and completely destroyed it had to be dragged out by another truck because it couldn't steer anymore but i started it up just to prove to the guy who was taking it away it still ran, and it did... the stupid thing started right up as a rotted mangled pile of shit and ran better than a brand new car... Listen to new cars all you hear is the peices of shit having lifter nock and all kinds of slapping and tapping and banging noises.. the old 318, smooth humming sound.. Now on my current LA engine a 239 cui v6 (318 with two cylinders cut off) its at about 400,000 miles now never re-built and wont die... doesn't burn oil... doesn't smoke... doesn't use antifreeze. you can start it when its -20 F outside and it will start right up and sit there humming away til it runs out of gas if you wanted lol. Plus the dam thing averages 22mpg in the mountains. ( I tested this by filling it full then driving 100 miles and re-filling it full. I've done this several times btw its the same every time, it burns 4.5 gallons every 100 miles, in a hilly rural area.. on the highway its closer to 30mpg) That being said, I love the old chrysler LA engines now because they just do not make them like they used to. Quality has gone bye bye from chrysler.
Never heard of a 3.9 getting good mileage. You must have a super lean carb. on it or your odo is off.
@@lesliehorwinkle I drive a low mi 42K, beat up, old 94 Dakota, 3.9 V6 5 spd auto, at work, at never got over 11MPG, IN STOP AND GO/SHORT TRIP ONLY. Guess i could get 15 on a very long drive.
gittyupalice96 - Good except no 3.9V6 ever got good gas mileage - All test reports were way under 22 mpg on freeway! What's special about yours?🤔
My 94 low mi 3.9 Dakota only got 12 or 13 tops - usually 11mpg.
I had a 2000 dakota standard cab 3.9 5 speed manual that never got less than 20 mpg.
That's how my 99' dodge ram 1500 sport 4x4 is with my 318 they're just damn good engines you really can't even beat em off road either I've been through shit In mine that the Chevy guys were getting stuck in and saying "man can you pull me out with you dodge"
My old man swears by these 318s. I remember his 318 Dakota pulled his camper up to BIR no problem. When he bought the new Dakota and we drove up to BIR the thing was overheating all the way. Nice video explaining more about the motor!
I love these they really were under utilized a performance head full roller valve train they could have sooo easily built a 500hp factory small block especially with the all steel bottom end and. full floating pistons
I had a ‘63 Plymouth with that engine and it was very smooth and reliable. Loved that car!
The Poly responds well to a Paxton unit. I helped my buddy build a +.030 318 Poly for his 65 Coronet 2 Door Post. Pistons were 10.5:1 John's, Isky cam, Rhodes Rollers, Team G Aluminum intake, 750 Thermo, Headman long tube headers, mild porting, Paxton Supercharger (9:1 ratio) with carb pressure box. Power was linear until 3,200 rpm then it shoved you back in your seat up to 5,500 rpm. You could stab the gas at 30 mph and just roast the 50 series cheater slicks at will. It also had a very unique rumble. It was stolen from his house about 3 months after we finished it; never recovered.
I got one of those in my 67 dodge truck right now.Unfortunately it worn out so badly when I was driving it had so much blow by till a quart of oil would be blown out till I could not drive out of town.I remember my engine when I rebuilt it lasted for over 20 years of great service great gas millage and plenty of power.What I find I love about those engines is they are the best starting engines I ever had no matter if it sick got one missing its going to start.Reliable oh man so trustworthy and reliable best engine ever.I mite rebuild mine again.I watch this stuff and want to do this stuff but my father is passed and my brother is passed hard to have the desire to do this they were allways there to talk to.
my first boyfriend drove a primered-out, '69 Roadrunner, 383, posi-rear, it was a monster. Hearing him pull up is one of my favorite sounds.
Until he lost his job and your atm disappeared.
And Harley was building Hemi engines in 1936 starting with the Knucklehead, they ALL learned about canted valve arrangements from the aircraft industry, Pratt&Whitney mainly, during the war the American automotive industry was building aircraft engines under contract and that's where they learned it from, but what they didn't understand, and a lot of elephant engine fans don't get, is that a big domed piston makes for the worst combustion chamber there is for an overhead valve engine, 17 or so years ago when my friend came running up to my bike shop all excited and told me "Did you hear? Chrysler's going to re-release the Hemi engine!!!", I looked at him and said "There's no way it's going to be a true Hemi with a domed piston", he looked at me and ask "Why not", and I told him "There's no way one would pass a modern emissions test", don't you know as soon as Chrysler started showing cut away views of the motor you could see a flat top piston with a closed combustion chamber.
I had to explain to him and many other people over the years that it's one of the most inefficient combustion chambers that there is, what really makes one run is the canted valve arrangement, that allows bigger valves then if they're flat, ie more flow, Harley learned their lesson about it years ago after making 3 generations of Hemi's, Knucks, Pans, and Shovels, then in 1984 with the Evo they closed half the combustion chamber and ran flat top pistons, anyone with any experience with them will tell you there was a far bigger jump in power (especially after mods) then the previous 3 attempts with true Hemi's, then the Twin Cam came along with a true closed chamber (bathtub style) and they got even more efficient and powerful, a true Hemi chamber is actually one of the worst most inefficient chambers there is, hate me all you want but it's the truth, math doesn't lie, legends do.
But it's like the man says at the end of The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence, "This is the West, when legend becomes truth, print the legend"
P.S. The big P&W aircraft engines of WW2 weren't Hemi's in the sense people think like a Chrysler elephant or older Harley, they had big dished out heads but they ran flat top pistons with a mechanical compression ratio of only 6.5:1 because they were running very high boost levels through their superchargers, 75" by the end of the war with 150 Octane fuel and water injection systems to control engine knock.
Excellent information on Harley Davidson. But do you think the twin cam is a expensive 🍋
The Jaguar XK6 was a Hemi, the pistons are a symmetrical domes. There are different versions of the XK6 heads with different valve angles. I believe the later heads have quench pads for emissions. The 3.8 liter E-type heads are classic hemispherical. The 3.8 liter has essentially the same bore/stroke as a slant six (3.4-inch bore x 4.2-inch stroke).
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Nope, most of the crap about them is invented shit to come up with "solutions" for non-existent problems by the aftermarket community, I'll guarantee you that all that crap about the early chain tensioners is just that, crap, any images you see on the internet of bad chain tensioners is staged, here's what they did, they took the chains out, roughed up the back sides of them on a bench grinder, and then put them back together and ran them to intentionally tear them up, I've been in at least 60 or 70 cam chests on those things over the years and I've never once seen that happen, possibly the only bigger liars in the motorcycle world than Harley is the Harley aftermarket business, EVERYBODY who bought a gear conversion for one of them got ripped off, think about it, every car around you has chain driven cams with tensioners, they go hundreds of thousands of miles, if they're replaced in Harley's at the recommended service intervals you'll never have a problem, I've done it many times on bikes, including my own, that I've been around for many miles and NEVER had a single problem with them, everyone says they're "prone to failure" but everytime I've called someone out to show me some failed ones no one can produce them, all you get is "Well everyone knows they are", bar stool bullshit is what it is.
Here's another newsflash for ya, Porsche designed the Twin Cam engine, they've been doing Harley's engine designing for over 40 years now, that's Harley's best kept secret and one they guard diligently from the public, anytime Harley says "Our Engineers designed..." they're lying, they gave Porsche several design criteria for that engine, knife in fork connecting rod design, overhead valve with pushrod, and it had to fit in the current frame opening (aka Evo sized) because they didn't want to drastically change their frame jigs like they had to from Shovel to Evo, anyone want to suggest that Porsche doesn't know what they're doing? Google Harley Davidson Nova and you'll get the backstory about how Harley got tied in with Porsche starting in 1976.
Here's another one for ya, Harley didn't invent the Softail frame, a guy in St Louis did in his garage in 1978, Harley "agents" saw it at a bike event and bought it from him and then reverse engineered it and then took credit for it in the public eye.
@@jimifed2798
Porsche also did the V-Rod engine from a blank sheet of paper, it was made at the behest of Eric Buell and was supposed to be the engine for the XB series Buells, but when it was done Buell didn't want it because it was too heavy, so Harley designed that abomination of a chassis for it since they already paid Porsche huge $$$ for the design, the exec's at Harley had it out for Eric Buell after that and that's why they pulled the plug on him at a moments notice when the time was right.
Eric Buell was a racer (not for Harley) and engineer at Harley who designed the 5 speed rubber mount frame 40 years ago at Harley, then he left to start his own company in the early 80's and used his ties at Harley to buy surplus XR1000 engines left over from the failed 83-84 XR1000 street bike program, when they dried up he started using crate 1200 Evo Sportster engines, until the V-Rod that he turned down and then they modified the Sportster engine for the XB bikes in lieu of the too heavy V-Rod motor.
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Yes it was, the squish area you get from running a flat top piston beneath a closed chamber is what increased efficiency in those engines as well as the closed chambers with flat top pistons, the remaining chamber becomes the "quench" area that the squish band shoots turbulent air fuel mix into at the top of the compression stroke, that's why they're more efficient, because they cause that turbulence, ie less timing advance with more thermal efficiency, that's why ALL these engines went that way, as modern emissions standards got raised they had to, true Hemi heads have a "lazy" combustion chamber that's less efficient.
Back in the early 70s I bought a '64 Fury hardtop for a work car. It was a typical 10 year old Ohio car with the usual rust but it ran and it was cheap. It had the Polyspherical 318. I rebuilt the Stromberg 2 barrel and my buddy adjusted the solid lifters and it became a really good-running car. Good engine.
You know I'm a Ford guy but there's nothing more beautiful than an old Chrysler motor
My Brother has a 1961 Wagon with that 318 in it. That car was purchased brand new by our Mother and he's had it since 1972. It's been sitting in storage in PA since the early 90's but one of these days we will make a trip up from FL and drag it down. My only worry is how much rust there will be and I how it survives the trip so he can begin restoring it!
I had a 73 dart swinger that had one of those 273 or 318 poly motors in it that came from an old Fury. Got really cold one winter and there was not a enough anti-freeze in the coolant and the block and one of the heads cracked. It was my first car. It was very cold natured as I recall.
The 1968 340 Wedge was an awesome motor and it was high performance.
Built two 340’s. Direct Connection hemi profile purple shaft cam. Balanced, blue printed, they flat hauled ass.
@@gregbacon7487 Nice!
My sister's first car, a Plymouth Fury, had a poly 318 in it, I've forgotten what year it was, but it was the last year that engine was offered in it. The thing was bulletproof.
I love my '62 318 power pack poly. (4 bbl, dual exhausts, dual-point dizzy, slight cam.) Seems to have more usable power and torque than the later LA, but heavier, due to those heads. Fun fact.. it's wider than a 440. 3:56 The '63 Plymouth was available with power pack too. I've rebuilt many polys. We had the 313's in New Zealand. I believe they were too wide to be practicable in the A bodies.
That was what made them so wide, those heads. Couldn't be used in a Valiant. Did indeed perform better than the later 318, as it breathed better at high RPM.
I have a 318-3 in a D500 and that thing is a champ that punches above it's weight class. It has good power and torque and isn't a hog with fuel. Factory glass packs have everyone thinking it's a big block. Great motor, just hard to find parts for it up in Canada...
I know I’m late to the party but I just seen your video/ Right On. I have a 66 Fury III , 318 poly, 3 spd on the floor. I love my Poly. It’s torque is really amazing. For a big C body it can move. And……. At 112,000 miles it doesn’t miss a beat. Grant you I’m a mechanic.
My first car was a 61 Plymouth Fury with a 318 poly head. The engine had solid lifters from the factory. The car seemed to have an endless top end. The speedometer was a rolling type that showed a red bar to indicate the speed that you were driving at. I remember turning the red bar black at 120 mph and then turning red again starting at zero mph : ) My brother had the car before I did. He said on a night in 1969, when he was driving over the speed limit on the interstate a state trooper started to chase him. ( The Troopers drove 440ci Plymouth Fury's at the time ) While looking in his rear view mirror the lights on the troopers car just kept getting small and smaller, the State Trooper was unable to catch him. I know from a dead start the 440 Fury would be faster, but the 318 poly head seemed to have an insane top end speed. The poly head was ahead of its time.
My brother had a 1960 fury convertible with this motor and 2 four barrels from the factory. It had a very unusual air cleaner arrangement separated into 2 separate sections.
Had a Poly in my old 65 Satellite.I also found a Dual Quad setup in a local wrecking yard complete with linkages and Carbs, snagged it for $45 dollars. Was a fun car and ran great and got decent mileage to boot...I miss that old car
Might of been a 58 golden cammando induction setup
My first car was an engineless 68 GTX I found in a field in 79. I pulled the 318 out of the 66 fury my dad owned that my sister rolled. Bulletproof engine but no performance parts available
i have had 2 of these 318 B solid lifter engine about 65-66 the came out with 318 LA engine small block , great engines both of them ,great post on forgotten engine of yesterday ,
Chrysler introduced the Spitfire series of engines (single rocker shaft) in 1955, first as a 301 and enlarged it to 331 in 1956. They used the Hemi block with poly heads on it and put it in the cheaper lines like the Newport...
The LA series was built off of that block block, they simply changed the heads to the LA wedge design. Back in the day they were called "polydome" and Dodge and Plymouth had their own versions of it. Plymouth had the 301 and 318 version that the LA was built off of, Dodge had the different version that was a 325. That was available in three and four barrel versions and then a 325 hemi was used for the D500. I had a 57 Dodge Coronet with a 325 four barrel Polydome in high school (67) and I raced a guy who had a 58 Ford 352 FE and absolutely spanked him. Everybody was afraid of that 57 after that.
I had a 1960 Fury. I surprised more than one RoadRunner or Charger. The best was a 383 RoadRunner that I gave the roll to. Unfortunately for him I was in low at about 28 miles an hour. I heard him pop the secondaries, I mashed the throttle and hit second and jumped him by about a car length. He turned off at the next corner. It was a surprising little engine if you caught someone who did not know the power they made.
I see a lot of comments here about the 318, but this is what I call the old style 318 . I had a friend that had one in a 64 polara, ran good, but after trying to build it for 1/4 mile racing, he finally gave up and put a 440 in it! It was one of those older mopars that I call so ugly its beautiful!
I’m so glad I’m not the only sentimental softy that bonds with cool old shit in somebody else’s junk pile.
I suddenly want a poly! Love to build one and see what it's capable of.
My buddy put a cam, intake, and a dominator on one in a duster. Freaking thing went 10.99 in the summer heat. He also did the same with a 340 and went 10. 0s. Doesn't take much to make power with a mopar
A r d u n made a flathead Ford hemisphere head combustion chamber kit for the Flathead Ford you would not believe what had to be done but it was cool and I understand they're making the Arden kit again there were also several F head kits for the Flathead V8 Ford FYI
i had one of these in my 62 fury i had right out of high school.. i saw that fury on my way home from school.. she was primer red.. push button shift. torque bar suspension and the 318 semi hemi AKA wide block.. man i drove it home with no breaks for 400$ that car would go! and soon as i eliminated that carter carb for a good 4b and dual pipe she woke up.. i miss that dam car..
Good lesson,I appreciate you taking the time to explain this Mopar motor.
The non-318 displacement Polys can accept first gen Hemi heads from Hot Heads. So, dump in a stroker crank, take care of the Poly bowl issues with a hemi head, and....
My first car was a 1979 Dodge Magnum with a 318 engine given to me by my dad. The car had over 200,000 miles on it. It was a crappy car with a good engine until I melted the pistons by putting in some octane booster to try to make it go faster. That was my first stupid kid learning moment.
After looking at the v8 motor that came out of my 55 plymouth, (p27 v8) and the 330 hemi (desoto fire flight) I have, that is a later block as the early ones the block wraped around the lifter valley and had a valley cover as they are open plane manifolds, ie the manifold did not seal the lifter valley, also the heads and rocker covers had a pronounced curve around each of the spark plugs
they were truck engines but also appeared in cars I had 1 in a 67 Monaco very mild sled. often wondered why more wasn't done with these because as you point out that's forged steel in there holding an elephant wanting to get out.
Well me the proud owner as are others of a 1956 354 Fire Power Hemi, a 1960 318 poly, a 1965 383 magnum, a 1971 318, and few 79 360's and a '85 360. Yep Chrysler was and still is an innovator not only in power but many first safety features.
The bad thing about the Poly 318 is it was built like a brick shit house and was a over weight pig that weighed a little less then a 440 if it weighed as much as a LA engine I think it would not of got such a bad rep but that thing is heavy
Did it have a steel crank?
Was it internally balanced..
But heavy engines are DURABLE.
These engines were very powerful. My uncle had one in a 1962 Plymouth Fury! It could lay down a lot of rubber!
I'm actually currently working on a poly 318, found a dual quad intake, and I'm gonna run a dual quad efi system
The 3.7 and 4.7 SOHC "next gen magnum" have the same twisted hemi head design from the polysphere.
The new Ford 7.3 push rod gasoline V8 **may** have also this valve layout. The intake valve is 2.20-inch - that's huge! It must be a canted valve arrangement. Ford is building the 7.3 as a lower cost option to the Powerstroke diesel with less maintenance with torque output somewhere between the diesel and largest current gasoline V8.
They did but that engine was actually a AMC motor when Chrysler bought AMC the engine was already being developed.
@@MichaelSmith-kr9qw Yes, few people know it was one of AMC's last projects.
@@timothykeith1367 Just looked at a cutaway image, looks like the heads are a straight valve arrangement.
@@xc8487 The new 7.3 Ford will be a bruiser. I'd read that the intake valves are 2.20-inch but its bore is 4.220-inch which goes against the smaller bore trend that was thought necessary for emissions. Its a real big block. There **could** be a limited run of Mustangs with this motor for the collector market - Ford hasn't discussed that possibility.
I put a 318 in a 53 austin healy. 3 spd std w/ od. drive shaft about 6" long. it was QUICK.
I read in one of my vintage car magazines around the time that the hemi design was developed that Chrysler was banking on gas becoming expensive after the Korean war finally ended so they wanted to develop a low compression engine that could offer somewhat decent performance on low grade fuel.
My moms '62 plymouth had a 318 poly with a 4 bbl. carter and dual exhaust.. with a push button auto. trans
It was fast!.. regularly beat engines much bigger.
G.M. years before on the overhead valve design which ALL done afterwards....Where,s all these engines at now,nice to know about the Poly head though.Thanks Uncle Tony.
When Darrell Alderman and Scott Geffrion we’re tearing up pro stock, Mr. Sour Grapes, Warren Johnson who I had had respect for said that Mopar never had a canted valve engine. Hell Warren, they invented them!!!
The engine they should have pursued? Absolutely. Better ports, lighter casting, better intake manifolds and port windows for exhaust engines. They have recently seen competition in the Engine Masters a challenge and have done ok for themselves. Now the big question, Uncle Tony, can you put the Poly 318 heads on an LA block? Like a 360 with poly heads? This would save a little weight.
My Cousin had a '56 Chevy with the dual 4 barrel Vette Motor .. he pretty much ate all those BB for lunch .. I like the Rocker shafts.. Chrysler used a lot of cast iron .. I have heard Chrysler always had quality control issues too ..
How about the 4 HP air cooled Industrial motor.. I think Chrysler simply bought a design and tooling from West Bend and sold that motor for many years.. The only place I have seen it is in the 2 wheel drive Rokon off road trail bike . I think some aftermarket still makes them today .. but the hot swap is to install a Honda 3 speed with centrifugal clutch ..
There was also a 277 CI version in 56. I did have one with a broken crank and I don't know if this was common or not. For some vid on building the 55 Plymouth , look for Wishes on Wheels - Chrysler Forward Look on King Rose Archives . Note how the bell housing is bolted to the engine then the trans registration bored.
I had a friend who had a 66 Plymouth Belvedere that had the orange block 318 that thing ran like a scalded dog it would top out about 140 pretty impressive for a pretty much stock small bock mopar !!!
Yes!!!! My Dad, who owned garages from 1955 to 1994, swore if you buy a Dodge Truck or large car, the 318 was the most reliable, trouble free, and cheap replacement part engine Chrysler produced. But for me, my first car had a 440.... And, well, you know.
Tony, I'm not a Mopar guy and missed this completely, even though I've owned two Dodge trucks with 318s- and torque was right! But I always thought the 340 was an expansion of the 318- the 360 was a performance disaster; an anti smog motor- it was pretty bad. You are spot on about the "good metal" as a young sprout in some oil fields in the late 60s, I was forever seeing 318, 383, 440 and even occasionally a 392 rigged out for stationary work and run on natural gas- many older than I was! Thanks for the eye opener for a Chevy head! FR
my old motor home has a 318 polyshere in it and its a jewel
Polys gave me many years of Happy Motoring. Thanks for the overview.
Great video again. I wait for your comments on these engines. I love the Mopar and am always ready to gain insight. You must be living in Kansas....your weather looks about as good as mine here in Garden City.....but it'll change in 5 minutes. Too bad they did not develop a "tunnel port" head for that engine. I know on the Can Am Mopars they moved the pushrods way over to gain port volume/flow.
wow I learned something new today and as always thanks for the close-ups
sometimes it seems the chrysler engineers had to be brothers or cousins or at least drank beer and chased women together......or something.
The Dodge brothers basically invented and supplied new engine and suspension tech for Olds and Ford for 15 years . When they decided to go on their own. Henry Ford was so threatened by them that instead of allowing them to cash out their Ford shares he made them sue him, lost. Then put his son at the helm and spread rumors he was starting his own company. The Ford companies shares tanked and he was able to buy them out for pennies on the dollar. Yet in 1914 they still managed to establish their company.
Mopar fans are weird so there you go
@@SophiaAphrodite A bit off topic sir.
@Jr ALEXANDER definitely keep & build it but look around on Facebook marketplace for a Mopar V8 to have for backup. Any engine can get an second chance, it's just how far you'll go to see your achievement.
@Jr ALEXANDER Facebook is a major butthole but $400 you can't beat that price, even if you don't get to use it. Sell it on CL for profit. Folks always looking for a 318
That old 318 wide block. Was a tough. Sumbitch
I know of 2 of these engine types from 1960. The 318 and 360 poly. The 360 had them big goofy over the fender 4bbl intakes on each side. Mopar should have built what they never did. A true factory high performance version of the 318 and 360. Thing about them poly engines is the bell housing are different from '61 & up. Powerful engines in their own rights.
Uncle tony what i sent last night great video.i have a 325 poly out of a 58 fury in my 1957 d100 the polys were a very well built motor. Stock out of the factory the 325 poly i have 325 horse 335 ft lbs of torque. Just impressed based on the fact 2bolt main single barrel carb.its the kd-500 block.also be cool if you did somthing on the 413 426 wedge stuff.
Thanks for the knowledge tony. And I feel you on the bonding with engines. There my only tru friends. I would love a garage just full of all different engines I’ve built. Working towards it now. All makes and models
Ardun overhead conversion for the Flathead was built before Chrysler built a hemi. Duntov was the father of the Small Block Chevy.
Interesting engine! Overbuilt like a Ford Y-Block but appears to offer more performance potential. Of course the inexpensive SBC paved the way for small block engines, although both the Mopar A Series and SBF have advantages over the SBC IMO.
Wow....really cool.i honestly didnt know they wer the first to do that arrangement....i wonder what the ports wer like for that 1958 plymouth furys super commando 350 dual quad engine option
Hey Tony, how about creating a series covering the different MoPar series of engines? I’m a Ford guy at heart, but I really dig Mopars too and would love to learn more about them.
Mid 1960's my dad went to a vehicle auction and bought two Dodge or Plymouth cars that he said were ex-FBI cars. One had a gold air cleaner on the engine and it said "365 Golden Ram." And that car ran like a bat out of hell. Dad said don't drive these cars as they have no insurance. I ignored dad because this thing ran awesome and sounded awesome. It ran so good that on a Saturday morning, I took it down to my High School and did a huge 120 foot long burnout right on the sidewalk in front of the principles office. That was so much fun I went back to do it again, but this time the principle ran out from behind some bushes and grabbed the radio antenna and yelled "Turn off the car or I'll break this off!" So I was busted. The principle called me all kinds of names, then he told me to drive home at 20 mph, and tell my dad to expect the police to come talk to him. So I drove home slowly and fessed up to dad that I drove the car and did burnouts in front of the principles office and the cops would be here soon to arrest me. Well no cops ever showed up, the principle never called them, that slimey sob just had a good laugh knowing I had to tell my dad and get my butt kicked.
Oh my goodness the a block Chrysler polysphere or Polly. Didn't they put cross Rams on them? So cool the crankshaft interchange with LA
*When you sneeze Tony, you lose my car knowledge then I ever have had...*
Tony was that the 318 that would have been in the 60 and 66 Furys, that was the first two cars I owned in the 70s. I know they were a lower angle v then the 318 in the 80 Dodge Marada. Thanks for the info.
You are awesome man! Thanks you for sharing the knowledge you have ! Cheers 🍻
Ford built the 1100 DOHC Hemi's in the 40's. I like all the old Dinosaur engines. 354 spit fire, uncle owned one. It would spit fire too.
I don't suppose you could discuss the heads in the American Motors 327? The Vigilante V8 according to Jeep. The placement of the valves was different than what I was expecting.
Just today I got my poly all striped down today!