**MASTERPIECE** The Fellowship of the Ring Reaction: FIRST TIME WATCHING Lord of the Rings Extended
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React to Scooby Doo meets courage the cowardly dog movie next please 🥺🥺❤️❤️ Eustace has a rap song in it and I want you guys to see
@@seanwilliams7716 I did, it's already on the channel along with Beetlejuice..
Is your friend who is reacting Brazilian? I am pretty sure she cursed in Br Portuguese there
I’m a simple man. I see someone watching LOTR for the first time on RUclips, I drop everything and watch 🙂
Right!
It's glorious. We Tolkien nerds are winning the battle to convert everybody into LotR nerds one reactor at a time.
Same. 😊😂
Same😫
Me too . It's like watching again with someone else who hasn't seen it yet.
Nobody ever comments on it, but I love how when Bilbo leaves the ring behind in the beginning, when he drops it, it doesn't bounce when it hits the ground. It falls, and it stays put. This just proves without a doubt that this is not something you want to be messing with. There's something not right here.
And how much calmer and lighter on his feet he seems after letting it go! Like a weight has been lifted from his shoulders.
Every time I watch a reaction to this movie, I always hope somebody will notice that the ring is *so heavy* in that scene. If they ever notice, they don't mention it. But it's a great subtle visual metaphor for how heavily it weights on the bearer.
They supposedly used a magnet under the floor to help make that effect happen. Definitely gives it an unnatural feel in a great and effective way.
They used a very big ring. It is a great shot.
It's supposed to represent the weight of the ring and the burden of carrying it. It wears on you physically and mentally. Great representation without a single word said. Going to watch the extended version again with my kids soon, it's an incredible testament to sticking to source material even if not completely faithful.
I think, because Boromir lives in a realm that is literally at the doorsteps of Mordor, he actually is fighting Sauron nonstop. To him, his people have been the only ones shedding their own blood to fight evil. You kinda understand his frustrations every now and then.
Exactly! His people are the ones fighting and giving their lives, you can really see why using the Ring as a weapon of war would be a temptation (not to mention the wholesome influence of his father..)
@@nickreacts6394 I'm super happy you recognize this. I remember when the movies first came out, so many people back then completely missed the point of Boromir, and disregarded him as weak, cowardly, selfish or just plain evil. They failed to realize that he comes from the one place that's been at a constant war of attrition with Mordor for several hundred years, and that it's at the brink of collapse. Not only does Boromir have the constant pressure of pleasing his father hanging over him, but he's also incredibly desperate to find a way to save his people. The One Ring takes one of his greatest strengths, his loyalty to the men, women and children of Gondor, and turns it into his greatest weakness.
@@tehdipstick But in the end, Boromir proved he was of the blood of Numenor. He repented, and gave his life to save others.
@@paulwagner688 boromir had Numenorean qualities but as bloodlines went denethor and faramir were written as being almost of pure Numenorean blood while boromir was less so which was why faramir was able to let frodo go like aragorn and boromir was not
@@nickreacts6394 yes - his movie version loses a lot but that's basically it. In the book Elrond and Aragorn explain there are many forces aligned against Mordor, in various forms and places, but Boromir ( a Warrior, strength and weapons are his expertise and focus) is strongly influenced by his Father's vision of a single conflict between the Lords of Minas Tirith and the Barad Dur. All others Denethor mistrusts unless they report to/serve him direct.
Tolkien actually described how the Hobbits live as his ideal life. He enjoyed good food, well brewed ale, smoking tobacco, being close to nature, waking up late and in general just enjoy the small pleasures in life
My greatest desire is to live out my days in a literal Hobbit hole in the woods.
@@WolfHreda *Same.* I might even have a chance. Though I live on a farm in the Great Plains, there's a little hill at the edge of the wood my great-great grandfather planted as his timber claim. One idea my family has is to build a little house against the back of that hill for me.
@@brigidtheirish so lucky bro i would love to live in a little hobbit village.
@@derth9230 Thanks. May take quite a while, but I'm saving up.
Well, he enjoyed English food.
17:32 The Ring doesn't clatter or bounce---it _slams_ onto the floor like a cinderblock. I love that.
I know! The continuous quality details such as this really make this trilogy that much better
Don't know for certain, but I've heard that the scene was filmed with an iron Ring and a powerful magnet under the floor tile.
I also love the show of Bilbo's strength... he possessed the ring for 60 years.... and was the first one in history to let it go... (physically at least)
Don’t misunderstand Boromir. He’s not a spoiled brat. He’s literally a man fighting for the survival of his city and his people, and a man overburdened by a domineering father. That’s all I’ll say so as to not spoil the rest of the films as they unfold. Just know that Boromir argues and fights from a place of good and a desire to save all he can.
Movies also take away one of his awesome moments. When Balrog shows up in Moria everyone in the fellowship is terrified of it except for Boromir who blows his warhorn in defiance and Balrog halts his advance for a moment allowing fellowship to escape.
"How many years must the steward wait to become king if the king should not return?" Boromir asked his father.
"Few indeed, in houses of less renown. In Gondor 10,000 would not suffice," answered Denethor.
Only he didn't mean it. And Aragorn had been to Gondor before, and served Denethor's father Ecthelion. Denethor had recognized him then.
@@Artanis99 Wow that's so dope!
@@cassu6 Boromir is much cooler in the books, in the movies he's practically an Aragorn wannabe, in the books he's basically a mountain of strength
@@Artanis99 yeah it’s cool but it doesn’t make any sense, why would he care if he blows that horn? It’s not like it has some mystical proportions
I'm loving the contrast between the "worried new fan" look and the "excited old fan" look in each and every scene, it's so heartwarming xD great reaction!
The feeling that Bilbo was describing was indeed because of the Ring. When its power begins sustaining a person beyond their natural lifespan, they begin to feel drained and weak. This carries on into a miserable existence of constantly feeling exhausted and withered. Bilbo was lucky to have let it go when he did.
Exactly! Always makes me think of someone beating a serious addiction
Exactly. And the addiction trope becomes important going forward, especially with respect to the Frodo-Gollum relationship. And the Ring being a character itself too. It's like it's a drug/drug pusher that actively tries to addict you, but only so it can control you for its own ends.
It goes even further than that. Bilbo would eventually have turned into a wraith, much like the Nine.
@@nickreacts6394 that's exactly spot on. I thought it was brilliantly shown in the Rivendell scene where Bilbo saw it for the first time in years. Having battled addiction myself for years I was struck by that scene. Bilbo had the strength to finally walk away from the ring, but as soon as he saw it again the old desire/need inside suddenly flared out in a scary way. I almost gasped when that happened as I totally related to it. Brilliant move.
Rings of Power were never designed for a mortal being to bear. Sauron gave the Nine Rings for mortal Men only after he failed to seduce the Elves on his side. Dwarves were created incredible sturdy and resilient to dominance of any other being, so the Rings given to them failed to do what they were designed to do; bringing the bearers under the will of Sauron through One Ring. It worked incredibly well with the Men who received the Nine Rings; at first the Rings enhances their power, might, will and magical abilities greatly, but inevidably one by one they fell under the power of One Ring, eventually their physical bodies fading into the Unseen World. Thus becoming Wringwraiths, neither living or neither dead. In Tolkiens mythos Men are meant do die, mortality being a gift from Eru, the sole creator and God in Tolkiens universe. So mortals passing into Unseen World without being able to move on, is inherently against their nature. Its a perpetual torture for Wringwraiths to exist beyond their natural lifespand.
THANK GOD that is the extended edition !
Domi, there are a few things you need to understand :
1) As Gandalf says "there are many magical rings in this world. When Gandalf leaves and let the Ring to Frodo, at this point he has no idea that is THE ring. He knows it's magic and after he touched he felt a glimpse of Evil. Also, he knows Bilbo had te ring for 50 years and nothing bad ever happend to him because of it. That's why he thought it was safe to let Frodo have it, as long as he does not puts it on.
2) About Saruman's pit where he grows his army : Tolkien fought in WWI. He was at the Battle of the Somme. This hellish experience had, off course, a major impact on him. You can see a glimpse of it here : These pits are clearly inspired by WWI trenches
3) About Boromir : Hes the son of the actual ruler of Gondor (a kingdom that lays right next to Mordor). All his life he had to lead in his people in a war he knows they can't win 'cause if as Mordor is only displaying a fraction of their forces Gondor is slowly pushed them back Because of that, he has no more hope. But when he sees the Rings, he immediately thinks it can be the one thing that could give them a chance. Also, being the son of the Stewart and Aragorn being the heir to the throne, they are set on collision courses with each-other
4) The song Aragorn is singing in the swamp is The Song of Beren and Luthien. To make it shorrt, Beren was a man, Luthin was an elf, they were in love but Elves can only love one person in their lives os after Beren had died, Luthien was left with her sorrow for Eternity. Basically, Aragorn thiink Arwen's fate will be the same as Luthien's if they marry each other, that's why he is so conflicted about this relationship
Of course! :)
@@nickreacts6394 The theatrical cut is only useful for anybody who is totally unfamiliar with Tolkien's work. It's easier to be overwhelmed by the extended cuts. Anybody who has read the books needs to just go right to the extended versions.
@@Shadowman4710 I beg to disagree. In the FotR, theres not much to miss in the Extended Edition. It just more of the history of the hobbits and the parting gifts of Galadriel to the fellowship. While in TTT, the important component is the House of Stewards if you want the back story of Boromir, if you think his character is important enough in the story. Also the age of Aragorn, where most of the first time reactors found curiously intriguing. 😁🙃
[Tolkien geek mode: engage] Lúthien wasn't 'left with her sorrow for eternity': she gave up immortality (which ought to have been impossible, but she managed it anyway) and died a mortal death alongside Beren. So it was her _parents_ who were left with eternal sorrow, because wherever the souls of humans (and Lúthien) go after death, it's not with other immortal elves.
Arwen, if she decides to go with Aragorn, will face the same choice as Lúthien.
Slight correction: Gandalf didn't actually touch the Ring in that scene. If you watch carefully, he came within a millimeter of touching it, but his fingers never actually did.
In fact, in the movie (although not in the books), no one other than a Ringbearer (Isildur, Gollum, Bilbo and Frodo) ever touches the Ring itself. Others handle it only by its chain.
In the book, Merry and Pippin were Frodo's best friends and relatives among his own "class" and Sam is a servant whose family has been at Bag End for generations, so entirely trustworthy. Merry is a very down-to-Earth guy in the book and guesses that Frodo is up to something. He sends Sam to spy on Frodo and try to get more information. He also gathers all the supplies they will need for their journey. The raiding of Farmer Maggot's crops is something they often did in childhood. Wish they could have left Farmer Maggot's part in - he did a lot to help them sneak out of the Shire.
Ahh yes the "conspiracy" with Fatty, Folco, Merry, Pippin and Sam. That was such a nice surprise for Frodo in the book!
I loved Farmer Maggot in the book! He was considerate of the Hobbits even though they frequently raided his crops, because he undertood that they were just being dumb kids back then, and he and his wife (with her great cooking) was a very gracious host to them. He had a big impact even though he had a very small part in the story. Remember when they mistook Merry for a black rider because of how thick the fog was, and regardless of his obvious fear, Farmer Maggot stood his ground and even threatened the perceived threat? I love him 🥰
@@joseabito-on442 You don't mess with an old farmer on his own land.
@@joseabito-on442 "There's earth under his old feet and clay on his fingers; wisdom in his bones, and both his eyes are open," said Tom.
In the book Frodo is their sole "cool uncle/cousin". You forgot to mention that nearly 20 years pass between Bilbo leaving and Frodo leaving in the book and by the time he leaves Frodo is 50 years old (equivalent to late 30s for hobbits) while Sam is 38, Merry 36 (barely adults think 19-25 for human) and Pipin is 28 (5 years from being considered adult think 16-17 for human). As for a hobbit lifespan they usually start to decline at around 100 years of age and oldest hobbit before the story begins was 130 when he died.
Christopher Lee, who played Saruman, was the only member of the cast to ever personally meet Tolkien.
In fact, the author was known to state that if there was ever a live film made, that Lee should be Gandalf. After seeing McKellan's audition, Lee chose to step aside, and be Saruman instead.
Christopher Lee also read The Lord of the Rings once a year for years before he got his role in the movie, he will be missed 😍😥
what a wonderful man :)
I really like how as soon as Bilbo lets go of the Ring, he comes up with "and he lived happily ever after..."
Really hints at the evil, corrupting nature of the Ring!
Great point!
Yeah, while the ring is in his pocket, corrupting his soul, the idea of living happily ever after is something he can't believe/imagine. Instead all he can feel is being tire & uneasy with his life, planning to run away from his home to the mountains, never to return (a bit like Gollum did). As soon as he decides to leave it behind & literally lets go of it, suddenly the fog in his mind clears up. He is free, the burden of the ring is lifted. THAT is when he believes that his retirement will be a happy one.
Hands down my favourite trilogy of films, I’ve always loved the Lord of the Rings. I remember being a kid and my dad who also loves the Lord of the Rings read the books to me.
Same! The quality is unmatched
There are books? I didn't know that
Don’t know if you’re joking or not lol…JRR Tolkien was in the trenches of WW1 and a lot of the inspiration for the series came from his experiences in the war…He pretty much created fantasy, so when ever you hear about dwarves, elf’s, goblins, orcs etc it all started with Tolkien.
@@ryanhampson673 that's pretty cool
@@ryanhampson673 so if JRR Tolkien didn't make this does this mean no elder scrolls, d&d or Warhammer vermintide that's pretty cool brotha
One explanation for why the Ringwraiths hated water is that one of the Valar, a high angel named Ulmo, still holds dominion over all waters. Ulmo hated Sauron and the evil he served, so it is likely the Wraiths feared Ulmo intervening against them if they touched the water.
I had never considered that hypothesis; very plausible. Thanks.
(For non-Tolkien geeks: Ulmo is often called "The Lord of Waters". I consider him the third most powerful of the Valar. He is also the first (and almost only) one of the Valar to reveal themselves to mortal men.)
however isn't Osse the Maia of the rivers? While all water is Ulmos domain he has delegates for specific water regions.
Uh, they must smell horrible 😂
Her: Oh no! That is not a good person!
Me: Not all that glitters is gold, not all who wander are lost.
The old that is strong does not wither,
deep roots are not reached by the frost,
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring,
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be King.
@@TamadorStoneskinA throw-forward to one of my favourite bits of film-ROTK...
I love how small she’s thinking about the scale of the story when trying to pick which hobbit is the big baddy 😂
I stumbled on your reaction.
You are the first ones to deeply analyse nearly every scene, the light vs dark, the exquisite music & themes, the specific carefully created sounds, the stunning visuals, gorgeous NZ cinematography and the creative decisions. Details I truly appreciate.
Thank you.
I thoroughly enjoyed your review/reaction and I look forward to the journey into the masterpiece of this deserved Oscar winning Best Trilogy of All Time. 💛
Wow, I can’t say how meaningful this is to hear, thank you so much!
@@nickreacts6394 I hope you enjoy the books, they are quite different, more characters and tbh very challenging. Once you get used to the amazingly detailed JRR Tolkien style, you should be sucked in. I read the books before the theatrical movies were released.
Apart from The Color Purple 💜 which is the best book adaptation into MY All Time Favourite Movie, the LOTR is the next best book adaptation. What an intriguing & masterful world building epic Tolkien created. Clearly a genius. 💛
@@nickreacts6394 you and your brother are probably my favorite reactors.
You clearly care so much about the art that is movie making just as much as you care about the movie/storyline itself.
I hope you keep doing this for maaaaany years.
31:34 Yes but not so well when wearing armour and carrying a person wearing armour on their back.
41:41 No it isn't, it's a moth. Moths fly at night and have feathery antennae. They are also fatter than butterflies, usually have less decorative wings and rest with their wings to the side, rather then vertically up over their backs.
50:05 'Watch us drop the mike, psych' - PJ and Duncan AKA, Let's get ready to Rhumble
53:05 Not all Elves can choose, Elrond is 'Half-Elven', he chose to be an Elf, his brother Elros chose to become a Man. Elrond's family still have the choice. Elros' family, of whom Aragorn is one, have longer lives than most men, but are a long way from their Elvish ancestors and cannot choose to be Elves.
t's an Emporor Gum Moth. They are big and fluffy. Not so good to Eucayptus trees though.
"What a great setting for a final battle."
"Well, yeah, Mount Doom..."
Happytime Bar & Grill was already taken...
Fun fact. Gandalf hitting his head in Bilbo's house was not in the script. They kept it as it fit perfectly. So his surprise and his shout of pain was genuine.
"That looks like that took a lot of self control".
Many people think that Bilbo letting the ring go willingly is the most impressive feat in all of the Tolkien's stories. Only Sam gave up the ring willingly and he only had it for a few hours. Boromir almost went mad for it and never actually possessed it (in books... I know he had for a few seconds in the movie). Isildur had it for two years before the ring left him. Bilbo gave it up willingly.
Bombadil, who's not in this version, also gave it up willingly, but, then, it had no power over him, or even held much interest for him. :-)
@@williamivey5296 Well, Bombadil was not a regular person\being :D.
@@Francesco-fo9oo True, but neither were Gandalf and Saruman. Though maybe not in Bombadil's league :-)
@@Gnossiene369 Such a weird thing to question. "Many people" could mean many people he's personally spoken to who have said it, many people on LotR forums, many people in comments sections on youtube, many people who saw the movies, many people who read the books... Hell, he could post the question "what do you think is the most impressive feat in all of Tolkien's stories?" on fucking facebook and have a dozen people answer "Bilbo giving up the ring" and that would still qualify as "many". Why did you find the need to question him and cast judgement on his statement before waiting for an answer?
@@williamivey5296 I kind of understand why Jackson didn't put it in the movie. Imagine, few minutes in the movie. We have been introduced to the one ring, an incredible dangerous item and then we meet this weird and silly character that basically play with the ring and kind of mock it... a bit weird and anticlimactic :D.
During the First Age of Middle Earth, a Dwarven smith forged the sword “Narsil”. The sword is very magical which felts explain how it could chop out Sauron’s fingers and why it is so sharp that it’s still potent thousands of years later. Great job.
That was the one thing the dwarves surpassed the Noldor at, the forging and tempering of steel. This includes Celebrimbor, the elf who aided Sauron in making the 9 and 7 rings before making the 3 by himself. The dwarf who made Narsil, Telchar, was arguably the greatest weapon and armorsmith to have ever lived.
The lord of the rings is just so damn good and aging like wine.
Great way to put it!
Fingers crossed that the Amazon series is going to be good too and won't feel like butter scraped over too much bread 💀 LOTR really is a masterpiece and I love seeing people getting into it even now. Better late than never!
@@flatstheflounder2884 don't hope too much, so you won't be disappointed. I won't even watch it, check out the videos on RUclips that are talking about the teasers and trailers.
@@TrangDB9 I'm definitely not setting the bar very high, but I think I'll still watch out of pure curiosity. I've seen the trailers and teasers, as well as the videos reacting to them and breaking them down, or at least some of those videos. It definitely isn't looking too good, but a lot can change during the course of production, so we'll have to see what happens 😅 I'm sure I'll still watch regardless (again out of pure curiosity), but I'm hoping they can pull through and deliver something that'll be enjoyable at the least. Peter Jackson set the bar VERY high with the LOTR trilogy and the world that Tolkien created is just so rich, so they definitely have some big shoes to fill in any case.
Really enjoying your reactions! In the book, Tolkien describes Frodo's first meeting with Merry and Pippin in Rivendell after recovering from his wound: "Hurray," cried Pippin, springing up. "Here is our noble cousin! Make way for Frodo, Lord of the Ring!" "Hush," said Gandalf from the shadows at the back of the porch. "Evil things do not come into this valley, but all the same we should not name them. The Lord of the Ring is not Frodo, but the Master of the Dark Tower of Mordor, whose power is again stretching out over the world! We are sitting in a fortress. Outside it is getting dark."
"Dude," replied Pippin, "way to harsh my vibe." 😂
Well I suppose you could say the title has a double meaning. The Lord of the Rings is Sauron, the one who created them all & uses the ring of power to control all who wear them, like the riders/ring wraiths. He is the "dark lord" of the rings. Yet on the other hand, the ring of power has come into the possession of Frodo, a mere hobbit with no powers or combat experience, who is woefully unprepared for the job of being the "ring bearer". He is the unlikely new "lord" of the ring.
The song Strider was singing in the wilderness was the Lay of Luthien, about an elvish princess who gave up her immortality for her love of Beren, a man. On the gravestones of Tolkien and his wife, Edith, are the names Luthien and Beren.
What I love about all this is that as things progress, we see all these amazing things that Gandalf can do, and most people in Middle Earth view him as this great authority and savior. And it must be hard when he goes somewhere and people are both happy to see him, but also a little like, "Oh Gandalf's here, something REALLY bad must be about to happen, he tends to bring calamity wherever he goes." So that must be rough for the guy.
But then he goes to Hobbiton and he doesn't have to be the all-powerful wizard. He can remove that mantle and just be the super tall, weird-looking dude who knows how to party and always has good fireworks. All the kids are happy to see him, he gets to dance and smoke and just relax for once.
"May you bring good counsel to Denethor in his need, and to us all, Mithrandir!" Ingold cried. "But you come with tidings of grief and danger, as is your wont, they say."
"Because I come seldom but when my help is needed," answered Gandalf.
Lathspell, Grima named him, ill-news. Because when did he come with good news? Only this was defamation. He came to Theoden with good news when he led Erkbrand(not Eomer)to the relief of Helm's Deep. And later he rescued Faramir from the Nazgul during the retreat from Osgiliath.
55:35 legit got me laughing. I can just imagine Frodo being like "yeah it's not too bad carrying this ring, the worst part is that it won't shut the fuck up".
One of the sound effects when they are fleeing from the ring wraiths, at 31:38 is actually an elk bugling, if I am not mistaken. It's an eerie sound, and they used it as a call from one Nazgul to the others. But yeah, that's an elk.
I see a LotR reaction, I click! And so happy to see this is the extended edition! Not labeled in your vid, but certain scenes immediately reveal that fact to me. SO GOOD!
Extended edition is just the way to go!
"...for none now live who remember it" INSTA-CHILLS EVERY TIME, even though I've been watching this movie every year since I was ten years old. What a masterpiece, and so fun to see somebody react for the first time!
...wait a minute. Elrond remembers it. Galadriel you liar lol
Gandalf's face when Frodo volunteers. He knew the whole time it would have to be him, but he did not want Frodo to have to take this on. The look of both relief and complete devastation that washes over his face in that instant is so heartbreaking.
Yeah he's like oh Frodo, you have no idea how awful this job will be. I wish it was someone else, but perhaps there is nobody else. You're the only one willing to do what must be done
Haha people always think the Riders are afraid of water or whatever when the one doesn't jump onto the ferry, but it's really just that the horse would have IMMEDIATELY sunk that tiny little raft, which risks losing the Ring again.
Also Thor's poker faces are fantastic, lol.
Good point, Sauron would be pretty frustrated looking through the river for his Precious haha. And thanks, I do my best to not give anything away!
Technically most of evil creatures in Middle-Earth do no like water, but yeah a horse isn't an ideal way of boarding a tiny raft.
I'll never understand why people think they "cant" go into water just cause the horse stopped at the dock. Like what was the horse suppose to do?
I always figured that their armor simply wouldn’t be helpful in that situation. Sure they could jump in the water, but then what? They’d likely sink or move too slowly to catch up anyhow. They won’t die, but they couldn’t give chase either way.
@@SubterrelProspector I'm not sure why you think the horses that are frothing and bleeding and carrying damned souls should be expected to display normal behaviour.
Hugo Weaving was also the face under the mask in V For Vendetta.
I studied in Hamilton, New Zealand during high school, and I had visit the Hobbiton. It is very amazing. The guide told us that most hobbits in the movie are actually the filming crew.
The filming crew? That’s so wholesome!
@@artsysabs Yes, during Bilbo's birthday party, they are afraid that the crew would become too drunk due to the ale.
Ps. my English isn't good at that time + the Kiwi accent of the guide so this information might be wrong :)
I had a physical reaction when she called Boromir a spoiled brat lol. Especially after he just explained that his people were sacrificing their lives to prevent the evil of Mordor from spreading to other lands. 😆
I wanted to draw your attention to a very nifty detail. Howard Shore, a true musical treasure of our time, sets an exciting music cue whenever the orcs are present. The music is presented in a leitmotif of a dance, but with a bizarre meter of 5 instead of the traditional 3. It can be compared to what Gustav Holst did with the Mars movement of The Planets (can you tell I was a music major?)
it is cool how those of us who are not educated about music or even aware of the composer's techniques can immediately FEEL danger/unease before we see anything scary, just by a simple musical cue. It is like sensing danger in the air "something bad is coming." Music is cool haha
The editing music and cut scenes had me rolling. Happy she's asking all the big questions but proud you don't say nothing. Thanks for not giving any spoilers, best poker face I swear.
Thanks so much I had fun editing, and I love these films I really didn’t want to give anything away!
"I need this ring to stop emitting sound"
I don't know why that made me laugh as much as it did. But also I 100% agree
such a fun experience!! ❤️❤️thanks for watching with me!!
Will be following your patreon as soon as I can afford it. If you have ANT LotR questions you can message me. I've read all of Tolkiens work many times.
♡ queen, nice to see you in this journey
"I need this ring to stop emitting sounds" I love your brain. Looking forward to seeing your further reactions to this trilogy. It is a true masterpiece.
The random CARALHO was funny as hell kkkkkk
@@fodinski1 eu não sabia que ela era brasileira. Também ri na hora "Caramba, o susto foi tão grande que a gringa soltou um palavrão em português" 😂😂😂
The screaming sounds for the Nazgul were made by Fran Walsh, aka Peter Jackson's partner, script writer and mother of their kids.
The sound department were trying all kinds of animal cries but nothing felt creepy enough. One day PJ was having a catch-up and they commented that they couldn't find a scream chilling enough.. Peter nonchalantly replied "Oh, Fran can scream like that, I'll get her to pop over in the next few days."
Fran stepped into the recording booth, and.. well, nailed it. The question no-one dared ask was "how did Peter know Fran could scream like that?"
Saw this in theater back in 01 . Perfection
I met Viggo in 05. Genuinely the nicest man ever. Super chill
Christopher Lee projected his voice so well from the top of Isengard, he easily made it into multiple metal albums with the band Rhapsody. (he did his own at the age of 90)
I believe the famous quote you are referring to is when Boromir says "onedoes not simply walk into Mordor"
The bit I always really loved about Bilbo leaving the ring, letting go of it, is how when he drops it, it doesn't drop like a regular ring would. It drops like a boulder. That heavy thud, no bounce, no clink, no spin. The weight of it is so concrete.
Nominated for 10 Oscars including Best Picture but won for
Best Visual Effects
Best Original Score
Best Makeup
Best Cinematography.
Honestly should’ve won best picture too…
on the Hobbits loving Gandalf so much: To the hobbits G is like legendary, he populates thier oldest stories. Bilbo had known of G from childhood so when G approached him with the buisness in The Hobbit he just kinda got overwhelmed into doing it. FYI Frodo is 33 when he inherits both The Ring and Bag-End, and its another 17 years before G throws it in the fire and reveals it to be The One. Frodo is 50 when he sets out for Rivendell, Sam is late 30s, Meriadoc is mid 30s and Pippin is just a "Tween" at 29. Bilbo had the Ring for 60 years as he found it at age 49 (he celebrates his 50th late in the journey of the Hobbit.) and he dropped it on the floor at 111. That struggle is arguably the most telling point of the rightness of the choice of a Hobbit as Ringbearer. The abandonment of the ring by Bilbo was the single biggest thing in the history of the ring.
46:00 They couldn't go into the water earlier because the water was too deep. That's why there was a ferry there. Horses don't just blindly jump into unfamiliar water. The reason they initially balk here in this scene has to do with elvish/wizardish magic protection stuff that's not really explained in the film.
Yeah. Especially if it's dark.
So a detail from the books is that not all elves can choose between immortality and being human, only those descended from Lord Elrond can. Great reaction!
I never knew this, thank you for explaining!
@@nickreacts6394 Yep, Elrond and his twin brother Elros were given that choice. Elrond chose to be an elf, and Elros chose to be a man, and became the first king of Numenor. And Aragorn's ancestor. So Aragorn and Arwen marrying reunites that bloodline after thousands of years.
@@nickreacts6394 it's because they are descendends from Beren and Luthien. I dont remember the full story, but Beren was a mortal man, while Luthien Tinuviel was the daughter of Thingol, the High King of the Sindar Elves.
She fell in love with the mortal man Beren and after a series of events which are to complicated to explain here(read The Silmarillion 😉) she was granted a second chance by the Valar(gods of Tolkiens world) and returned to Middle earth to live out the rest of her days with Beren, but as a mortal.
Because of this, all elven descendents of Beren and Luthien are given the same choice.
Their great grandson Elrond chose immortality, while his twin brother Elros chose to be a mortal man and became the first king of Numenor, from witch Aragorn is a descendent.
Because of this, Arwen also has the same choice, and can choose to give up her immortality.
This is a choice that only elven decendents of Beren and Luthien have, and is not granted elves in general.
I love the LOTR, and I love watching reactions to it! The young lady on the left had such genuine facial expressions during her reactions as she watched. It was great to see someone actually experiencing the different emotions these films can make you feel. Good stuff.
Interesting thing you mention about Bilbo telling stories to the children.
Sir Ian Holm did actually do that for real.
Between takes, the crew would take hours to set cameras and lights and stuff, and the kids on set were getting bored... so Holm took it upon himself to recite from memory the Hobbit book to keep them entertained.
Peter Jackson saw this, and grabbed a couple cameras and set them up to record Holm and record the kids' reactions.
Holm sat for hours on end telling the kids stories keeping them happy.
The special effects in the opening scene are baller. That was a huge leap forward in VFX technology and one of the keys to making this story even filmable. And they hold up darn well, IMHO.
Normally voice overs for exposition is terrible, but I think what makes it work in this movie is how while it's being spoken, you can see it happening on screen. It really helps get the info across while entertaining at the same time.
On the Elves and Rivendell: Not all Elves can chose their mortality. In a past age Half-Elves were gifted a choice by what are the equivalent of demigods, the choice to be Men or Elves, Elrond chose to be Elf. This choice also applies to all of his descendants. Since Elves are completely immortal and have a place in The Undying Lands(basically like the afterlife) there’s extra weight to Arwen’s decision; when she dies her spirit leaves the world and she won’t be reunited with her loved ones, this also applies to all of her descendants who will be mortal.
The Ringwraiths aren’t scared of water in general, more of the river near Rivendell. Water is an element that the Elves have an affinity for as a very pure element, and the River Bruinen still has some of the power of the spirit who created the element of water. Elrond having one of the 3 Elven rings can detect when anyone enters the river, and in the books it’s actually Elrond and Gandalf that summon the river to wash away the Ringwraiths
Specifically it was only the twin "Half-Elves" Elrond and Elros (and by extension Elrond's descendants) who were given that choice with regards to their "mortality" as a reward for their services and sufferings during the War of the Wrath.
@@senpainoticeme9675 not true, Eärendil and Elwing were also given the choice, and there were possibly other unnamed Half-Elves given the choice
@@Dan-B true I made the mistake stating the Twin half elves were only given the choice, what I meant is that for a half-elf to choose their mortality, they need to perform extra-ordinary feats that aided the forces the good or the Valar themselves.
At the very least on the information given by Tolkien in his extended lore.
correction their spirit doesn't leave the world. its that they don't know what will happen to them in death.
@@houseofaction It is known that Men’s spirits leave the world (Arda), what isn’t known is where they go to
16:00 No, Gandalf probably just walked there, because we all know the real answer. An invisible Hobbit in a place with ALL the food and ale. There’s not a chance even Bilbo could resist.
21:34 this is the most brilliant, unique, and underrated edit ever 😂
48:57 "Bilbo Baggins! Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks. I'm not going to hurt you. I'm just going to bash your brains in." -- Gandalf, _The Fellowship of the Ring_ (Stanley Kubrick's cut)
21:34 I just want to say, I love this edit. I've been thinking about this happening ever since I first saw the movies lol
I couldn’t resist haha
Omg, that "It's quite cool" and then Frodo screaming was hilarious! I was so confused for half a second and then just started laughing.
Trivia: Elrond is Aragorn's great- X a bunch - uncle. Which makes Arwen his cousin. Just one of the fascinating bits in the insanely large and complex background material Tolkien created just to get to this story.
Regarding the calligraphy in the book, Tolkien wrote it, as well as drawing the maps. He was quite a talented fellow.
So this is what it has come to lol. I have forced every person I know to watch these movies and now I will watch strangers react to them online for the first time. Great job engaging with her and her questions while not giving anything away during the watch!
Omfg, the Shining gag 🤣🤣 your editing this video has just been top-top-tier my dude!
Thanks!! I tried to make it fun 😊
Love the intellectual interplay between the two of you. So nice to see two young people be so eloquent and totally understanding the beauty of these films in detail. You make me hopeful for the future.
You are too kind, thank you so much!!
I doubt a movie trilogy will ever top Lord of the Rings. Of course it does help that the film makers made good use of the amazing source material.
Looking forward to the rest of the trilogy!
53:03 most elves can’t choose to forsake their immortality, but Arwen comes from a lineage that includes humans. One of her ancestors was human and as a result those born to the line were permitted a choice to live as elves or as men. For example her father Elrond and his brother both had that same choice. Elrond obviously chose to be as an elf but his brother chose the life of Man and is actually the very distant ancestor or Aragorn.
It also means that Elrond will never see his brother again as humans have a different afterlife. He does *not* like the idea that his daughter might make that same choice.
@@brigidtheirish technically the elves don’t have an “after” life, if killed their spirits travel to the halls of Mandos in Valinor (the land to the west of the sea for which the elves are currently leaving middle earth) as a temporary way point while the Valar remake the elf’s body. What happens to Men when they die is largely unknown even to the greatest powers of the world. But that’s more detailed than is really needed to understand the weight of the films
@@tomsamper4345 True. It's more of a... between lives? Then there's the Undying Lands, which also aren't an afterlife since they go there while still alive.
@@brigidtheirish it’s not quite comparable. The Elves are a part of the world in a way that men just aren’t . And it has been strongly suggested by Tolkein (though not quite confirmed and still a subject of conjecture and debate among fans and literary scholars) that when the final days of Arda (the name given for the world in the legendarium) at last come it will be the final day of the elves as well because of how they are tied to it. But because of the gift of Men (death as it was originally known before humans came to resent it) that after the world is destroyed in the final day, the souls of Men will join with Eru Illuvatar (God) and the Ainur (angels) in singing the second song of creation.
@@tomsamper4345 Granted. I think the way it was put in the legendarium (not sure which book) is that the elves are only immortal "within the circles of this world."
First things first - pipeweed IS tobacco.
35:18 The innkeeper Butterbur dying of terror behind a corner praying the wraiths won't notice him is one of the most human and easily relatable moments in the trilogy. Much more relatable than seeing a huge ass spider on your shoulder and being able not to screech.
This is such a good point about Butterbur, it’s such a normal human reaction to the terror of the Nazgûl
If pipeweed were entirely meant to be tobacco, it would have been easy to, like, just say that.
@@michaelccozens it was explicitly called so in the books but for some reason Peter Jackson decided to add a nod to stoners
@@foolofatook9867 Not so much a nod to stoners but to the changes in regard to the position of tobacco in society.
@@michaelmclachlan1650 Because Progress forbid we should acknowledge and respect the past.
Also! Thor, if you wanna listen to the audio books, the narration by Andy Serkis is fantastic. Hes the actor who portrays gollumn. I highly recommend it
Thank you! Andy Serkis is just too talented
@@nickreacts6394 he really is. I have all of his readings of the books
@@philiphamel8504 Just tell me you aren't dissing Rob Inglis. His reading is amazing.
@@josiahferrell5022 of course I'm not. I have his versions too.
Andy is not just great at reading Gollum’s lines. He’s incredible at all the other voices in the books too. His take on Beorn in The Hobbit is so full of the mystery and grave seriousness of the character, and his singing of Misty Mountains is awesome too.
Just going to say, Peter Jackson is a next level director. He uses visuals combined with words, or by themselves, color changes, cuts, etc, so flawlessly to tell the story. The amount of footage they had to go through and had to cut down is hard to think about .Hundreds of hours of footage. To put this together from all of that, to capture it in the first place. truly one of the most epic film undertakings of all time And it shows in ever single frame. That they can sell an inanimate object as not only evil, but living, so quickly is nothing short of incredible.
57:53, Arwen's descended from several Elf/Human couples, including the girl in the song Aragorn was singing earlier! The gods basically just shrugged and told her father and uncle that they could pick I *guess*, and their children inherited that if they choose Elf (humans CHANGE the world, while elves preserve it and are bound to live on in it.)
Elven wedding customs involve the mother of the bride giving the groom a jewel. Arwen's mother is no longer there, and Arwen is willing to get married whenever! It's probably blessed...
Lord of the rings genuinely is my favorite thing about living, so far in my maybe 80 or so years that I will spend on this tiny globe it is the thing that has brought me the most joy, nothing else ever impacted me to the same extent, nothing else has defined my life or shaped me as a person as much as these movies and books have.
I believe the famous quote about a ring Domi was thinking of is…
“Cause if you liked it then you should have put a ring on it” 😆
😂😂😂
26:19 Gotta love Saruman's diegetic narration! It's unusual, but it works perfectly! (For those unfamiliar with what "diegetic" means, it refers to whether a narration or song is occurring in-universe [diegetic] or whether it's added outside of the actual story, for the benefit of the audience [non-diegetic].)
Thor, I appreciate the restraint you show in not giving Domi any spoilers when she throws outs some of her guesses - some she hits right on the head and others are just the opposite. Hang in there. It's going to be a long ride.
When Gandalf uses the Black Speech in Rivendell he's reciting the first part of the Ring Verse, which is what's actually engraved on the One Ring, while you can hear Sauron in the background reciting the second part along with him, with Sauron chuckling at the end
This is one of my favorite parts of the first movie
That was one of the best reactions to lotr that I have seen so far! Thank u! I'm pretty excited for the two towers and return of the king now
Thank you!!
There won't be another film series at this level of vision, respect for the previous lore, and pure awesomeness in my lifetime. The extended edition of the LOTR trilogy truly is a 'once in a generation' film event.
I also love how protagonist-focused the story is, and how just _good_ they are.
Domi gets it on the first go-through--Tolkien said that the novel was very much about trees. :D He was great nature lover. (If you want to read something interesting about the way Tolkien thought, try his essay "On Fairy Stories."
Random quote for a taste:
"The notion that motor-cars are more 'alive' than, say, centaurs or dragons is curious; that they are more 'real' than, say, horses is pathetically absurd. How real, how startlingly alive is a factory chimney compared with an elm-tree: poor obsolete thing,insubstantial dream of an escapist!
For my part, I cannot convince myself that the roof of Bletchley station is more 'real' than the clouds. And as an artefact I find it less inspiring than the legendary dome of heaven. The bridge to platform 4 is to me less interesting than Bifröst guarded by Heimdall with the Gjallarhorn. From the wildness of my heart I cannot exclude the question whether railway-engineers, if they had been brought up on more fantasy, might not have done better with all their abundant means than they commonly do. Fairy-stories might be, I guess, better Masters of Arts than the academic person I have referred to.
Much that he (I must suppose) and others (certainly) would call 'serious' literature is no more than play under a glass roof by the side of a municipal swimming-bath. Fairy-stories may invent monsters that fly the air or dwell in the deep, but at least they do not try to escape from heaven or the sea."
I really like the way you 2 do this review. There are so many videos of people reacting to this movie on youtube but you manage to bring something unique to this reaction that i have not seen before. Keep doing it this way.
Wow, that is so nice of you to say, thank you!!
I'm so glad you two continue to collab, these are so fun to watch. And Domi's total lotr innocence, awwww! I'm down for this ride!
By the way, whenever they do a close up shot of kids in any of the 3 movies, thats Peter Jackson's kids. The little girl with the really big eyes is the easiest to spot. Jackson is also in all 3 movies very quickly. The actor that plays Bilbo is Ash from the first Alien movie. He just died last year. :( Strider has been in several movies before and after these movies. Your going to meet a character in the second movie who has a major role in the tv show "The Boys" Karl Urban. The actor that plays Gimli was in Indianan Jones and the Lost Arc. He was the heavy set Iraqi? dude that was helping Indy find the arc. Oh and John Noble is in the second and 3rd movie. Sam is played by Sean Astin. He played Rudy in the movie Rudy. His mom was Patty Duke from the Paddy Duke show back in the 60's. The man who raised him and who he thought was his birth father is John Astin. He played Gomez Addams on the tv show The Addams family. Sean found out when he was about 20 that Astin wasn't his real dad. Frodo is Elijah Wood. Gandalf was in the X-men movies. Saruman was in one or two of the later Star Wars movies as Count Duku. But more importantly he is Christopher Lee. Lee played Dracula in the 60's and is the actor that played Dracula more than any other Dracula. I think like 32 times. Lets not forget Sean Bean as Boromir. Dam, forgot Orlando Bloom as Legolas. Before his Pirate of the Caribbean movies and a few other big budget movies.
It’s almost like she forgot the intro. They showed Gollum and you heard his voice, and it also showed Isildur go invisible by putting on the ring haha.
Woohoo! Domi and Thor duo! Yeehaw!
Dammit, I was gonna go to sleep but I guess I gotta watch this now.
Domi's total lack of knowledge is surprising, but it means she's in for huge surprises!
This trilogy is one of the few examples of an adaptation which makes changes from the book, but which are (almost) all justified and are good in and of themselves. I love the books more than the films, but the films are just exceptional. I'm perfectly happy for the film to be its own thing, it doesn't diminish Tolkien's original work whilst also managing to have its own identity. Given how often such attempts fail, its practically a miracle.
The extended footage of the journey from Bree to Weather top was one of the highlights and as you say really conveyed the distance they were having to travel
Fantastic reaction but the editor of this reaction did a fantastic job. I enjoy it even more with all the inserts.
Thank you so much!
Great reaction ! The Shining and Poker Face inserts were hilarious
So glad you liked them, I tried to make the edit fun for this trilogy
Tolkien compared the effect of the Ring on its bearer to the Our Father -- Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil. It draws evil out from within a person and it attracts evil from without toward the bearer. Notice how the bad guys, like trolls and krackens, go after Frodo, for instance.
Thor and Domi together is always a good time! Love Lord of The Rings, and hope Thor is enjoying the audiobooks.
Something I appreciated in the movies that’s not in the books is the involvement of Arwen. She kind of symbolized the attitude with Elves with the departure vs helping the race of men. And she adds a bit to movie Aragorn’s character. I know not everyone will agree but I just thought that was neat personally.
*edit: also holy shit, how did I just now realize you’re WhiteNoise’s brother lol
As I said before, I prefer the action Arwen rather the weaving Arwen in the book. 😉🙃 And not only added a bit to movie Aragorn but she keep him prodding into his legacy, even the reforging of the broken sword. 😂🥰
@@sturat5166 Lol. 👍🤣🤣
@@evenstar1608 Tolkien put a ton of actual medieval lore into these books. In the lore of those times, magical weaving women were quite important - helping bind together the past, present and future - helping to shape destiny. Also, in medieval times people would never have survived without the creative crafts of real women. The man waving a sword around was far more expendable than those with a lifetime of crafting skill under their belt.
@@LadyIarConnacht What I mean is, in the book, Arwen had been written in a narrative form. No dialogue at all as she is the princess of Rivendell. You only remember her weaving the banners or flags of Gondor. While in the movie, her intro is great, woven her into Aragorn's destiny.
As a book fan I'm sad we didn't get to see Glorfindel, but as a movie fan I completely understand them expanding Arwen's role, and agree that having her be more directly involved was the right thing to do for her character.
I can´t believe I was watching it for an hour, all your comments (and funny editions) were so entertaining, you girl made so spontanneous and at the same time smart comments, I didn´t know you could make a reaction with only one person watching it for first time, congrats.
I have to say, it was absolutely great seeing you trying not to give anything away. I admire your control over your facial expressions, because I would definitely accidentally spoil something by smiling or something xD
8:43, it's been done before in Whoniverse, for a guest actor to be cast later as The Doctor. McKellen for 14th!!
Masterpiece indeed! I know the temptation must be strong, perhaps as strong as the Ring, but fight the temptation to explain everything to Domi. Fight it, I say!
Great job!
Yay! No excuses for not doing the extended editions. Y’all are great!
It really says how much of a nerd of the franchise I am that whenever the reactors hear "weed," I know that it refers to tobacco, not pot, as most first time viewers seem to think. Tolkien, the creator of this incredible world, was a first and foremost a linguist and he very deliberately chose words that were native to the English language. This was, after all, his attempt at writing a purely English mythology. Tobacco didn't exist in the original language, but weed did, hence the choice for its use in describing smoking.
100% true about Tolkien and his intentions but ever since the huge boom in popularity of the series in the 60's and 70's it really seems like pipe weed has re-contextualized among many fans lol. I like that Jackson acknowledges this while still not blatantly saying what it is or isn't.
Peter Jackson & Co. were having a little fun with the modern conflation of "weed" with "cannabis." Tolkien certainly never intended the connection, and he probably would have been horrified at the notion. In his earlier book "The Hobbit" he refers only to tobacco, and in the introduction to the book FOTR, he specifically defines "pipe-weed" or "leaf" as "a variety probably of Nicotiana," the botanical name of tobacco.
Don’t be a dweeb in the future. Let it be weed ;)
@@johnwalters1341 Tolkien was horrified by a lot of things, particularly how popular his books became with hippies and the larger counter-culture. I think it's a bit funny, since tobacco and cannabis are both smoked to help on relax. Which is kinda funny, since tobacco is a stimulant.
Technically, from a historical point of view, certain types of plants that we now use as tobacco, were often considered weeds in the sense that they were wild plants growing in places where they were considered a nuisance, so referring to it as 'pipe weed' works in that way as well. It very literally just means pipe tobacco.
I love how Domi’s immediate reaction to the One Ring was, “Ooh, I want that!”
I love seeing new people fall in love with this trilogy! I read the books multiple times ( I lost track at 7 when I was getting close to 20, I think) as a pre-teen and teen, and while there are a few changes between the two that I didn't like, I still loved the movies! Most of the changes they make to the books are necessary for a movie adaption, and there's a few that I actually agree with more now, as an adult. But then, the best quotes in the movies tend to be directly from the books. I'll have to check out the book reviews as it'll be interesting to hear about them (and those few changes that I don't like) from the perspective of someone who saw the movies first!
It's also always so hard to not mention every single bit of trivia I know. hahaha
I love the scene of the riders walking into the tavern. Their uniform, militant strides with swords drawn is chilling.
God the sound design, the music.
And the loyalty of the Hobbits ToT. They dont know war and power, they just love each other completely.
This entire series is nothing but praiseworthy.
Lord of the Rings has inspired fan art and professional fantasy illustrations since it appeared. In the 1970s onward there was a monthly Tolkien Calendar with each month illustrated by a famous illustrator of the time. Over the decades they came out with painting after painting illustrating key scenes and moments all across Middle Earth and all throughout every moment of the Lord of the Rings plot and action. The Brothers Hilldebrandt, Michael Whelan, Frazetta, Brom... some world famous illustrators all did iconic illustrations of various scenes throughout the decades in those calendars, which have long enjoyed a wide audience among Tolkien fans, and are still going.
I bring it up because for those of us who had those Calendars and were inspired by month after month of iconic artwork, when we got a chance to see Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy in the movies, we were immediately in love. Jackson paid homage to the best and most striking illustrations by those old masters by taking the pains to recreate each painting for a moment on screen in order within the films. When he pulls focus and composes a shot in a really unique and artistic manner, there's a really good chance that he's doing so to match the perspective and composition of those illustrations of the old Masters.
I wish I had access to all of the old paintings and calendars still, because it would be a phenomenal RUclips video to go through the movies and put up the screenshots next to the original paintings from the calendars in order. :) But some of us old fogeys remember, and we tip our hat to Jackson for creating all of the shots that fandom has been raised on, to keep the vision going.
Also... Elrond is a Half Elf. So Arwen is a Three-quarters Elf. She must choose between her mortal heritage and her immortal heritage, the same way that Elrond did. (He choose the elf side).
The soundtrack was composed meticulously. They made the decision to only use certain instruments for individual themes(wood vs brass wind for example) so everything felt unique. It made the process longer but the results speak for themselves.
27:20 Not *good guy behavior* at all 😂😈
I love the Saruman’s introduction + sudden heel turn! Christopher Lee was absolutely perfect in this role.
Yeah, they do a good job. Sarumon is a wizard like Gandalf, but of a higher rank, someone Gandalf looks up to & respects. He isn't a mustache twirling villain, but he's a smart man who realizes how much trouble they are all in. Sauron is no joke. He almost took over the world once & he's back. Saurumon knows there is a good chance he will win this time & anybody who opposes him is doomed. He is just assumes that resistance is futile. If they want to survive, their only option is to surrender & be Sauron's servants. There is a certain logic to his betrayal. As far as he is concerned everyone is doomed either way, even Frodo, whether he joins Sauron or not. Gandalf knows the truth tho: there is onle one LORD of the rings (Sauron) & he does not SHARE power. Sarumon is naive to think that he can survive by making a deal with the Devil, so to speak. If Sauron wins, he will no longer have a use for Sarumon's services, & can easily turn on him. The only hope for any of them is to fight back, now, while they still can.