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Tesla needs to also start putting in pull thru stalls at least one on each end that would accommodate TRAILERS. With a charge stand on either side. I see a lot of Model Y owners towing trailers in my area, and that is guaranteed to increase with electric pickups now on the market.
Absolutely. I was on a road trip last month and a Tesla with a trailer was blocking 3 chargers since there was no pull thru. Luckily there were a couple of free spots when I got there.
@@SirBalageG American right side? Funny, I have seen the opposite and I own one legacy american truck. What are you talking about? My wife had an american ice vehicle before (chevy sonic); left rear. Growing up, we had a chevy impala wagon, left rear. Father had a dodge dart, left rear, then a ford taurus, left rear. Are you visiting from another planet?
?? From what I have seen yes they have. As exampled below with the american cars, and now my family has had or has many camry and I know every person with other asian cars and they are all on the back left. Hyundai, toyota, honda and volvos I have seen, bmw, mercedes, etc. ??
They’re not the cheapest option In America. We get free charging or discounted charging with other providers. A lot of the time without those benefits they are some of the cheaper options though..
I totally agree that there should be a standard position for the port but for me the logical position would be the centre of the front of the car. It’s easier and quicker to drive forward into a bay and more accurate too, which is important when positioning between vulnerable units. In my own case with using a CCS2 adapter in my S it’s almost impossible to stop first time in a position where the charger doesn’t stop the adapter being plugged in, which means getting in and out of the car several times and each time having to enter the PIN to move again! I know I’m in the minority but front centre makes sense on several counts. Stay well, folks.
All of us Tesla owners paid for the superchargers with higher prices for our vehicles. I am happy to have other brands use the superchargers but since they didn’t pay a surcharge for their vehicles it is fair that they pay more.
All us Google phone owners helped pay for RUclips with higher prices on our phones. I am happy to have other brands use RUclips but since they didn’t pay a surcharge for their phones they should have to pay more
Not sure we'll ever standardize the location of the charging plug. If we end up with a lot of street-side charging, it would presumably be different in countries based on the side of the car facing the curb.
Have a MG zs ev and find the charging port at front very convenient. Have never had any issues with cable length as shortest distance is straight line so face the charger
I'm fortunate to live quite near a Tesla Supercharger that is always busy but seldom full. And most of the time, especially on trips, I am seldom in a big hurry (perhaps quite different from everybody else). Honestly, it gets complicated worrying about whether stations are full or busy. However, the one thing I do wish Tesla would plan for and manage is a place where cars can wait in a queue (or even pick up numbered card to put on their dashboards) for the next available charger. Too often, when you roll in, you see one or two (or many) cars waiting, so you wait too, but then other cars come to wait as well. Pretty soon nobody can get in or out. A car that came in last is right next to (and pulls into) the next charger that comes open, while you are sitting over on the other side behind the car that actually should go next.
Alex on Autos made a great point why it's better to put the charging port on the passenger's (right) side in the US instead of the driver's (left) side. When we finally have EV chargers installed on streets then it's better to have the port on the curb side which will be the passenger's (right) side. If you have the charging cable sticking out of the driver's side, then it might get knocked off by a passing car.
EV Superchargers on streets won’t happen in large numbers because of the cost and complexity of installing the large back-side power conversion/control boxes that have to be accessible for large power conductor routing via the shortest distance (especially DC fast charging) and firefighting. Plus, there are significant real estate and paving costs involved in installation, with street parking real estate being some of the highest cost anywhere. Putting chargers in the lowest-cost locations is extremely important for widespread adoption, especially as EV prices (and profits) decline.
On driver side , cyclists more than motorists will hit it . On passenger side , Walkers , drunks and bum's are likely to hit it New Solutions are needed .
@jimmanley2796 Excellent points. I guess I've seen renderings of how the street chargers would look but I never put a lot of thought into the effort or cost involved.
Thanks for the update. First of all I appreciate the work You do . second of all front middle charging parts are the best location ever in my opinion and I pull trailers so that may be why the difference if you look at it from vehicle only perspective then front middle May not be any better than front right hand side but if you have it in the middle you could use a cable that’s fairly short on either side of your parking location. This just gives you more versatility. Makes it very easy to see exactly how close you are to the cable Also is in the easiest spot. I understand your thoughts on having everything the same, but I strongly lean towards having it in the middle of the front.
ask the people that have to deal with norwegian winters or the thai or spanish hot summer mosquitos. Middle front is not the best. When I drive with my white Tesla from Switzerland to Portugal (2000km) I then have a black front, since all mosquitos of all the world are there. I don't want to touch that every time I want to charge. Also Björn Nyland has shown, that Kias and others that had the charge port in the front, had problems opening it, because it was to snowy, icy. Even if it's heated, it stays there after having driven for hours in -10 degrees. Do you want to touch that?
Having the charge port on the front causes no problems at all at Superchargers. 😅 I’ve had no trouble at any charging stations in six years with my Kona E .😮
If one goes into a gas station virtually all pumps are drive through. Cars put their fill spouts in different locations, but every pump is available depending on which way someone enters the pump lane. Why haven't we changed over to this modality with EV charging stations?
They should make a recommendation for which stall to use, so stalls that are more easily accessible for trailers remain free. Also for V2 chargers so people don't share the same charger when there are other alternatives.
I own a Renault Zoe. It has the charge port at the front. It is wonderful, my charger is attached to the front of my house, I pull up and plug it in. I would HATE to have a rear left charge port, the cable would have to be far longer to reach the car and it would get in the way of people walking up to the house. By the way I NEVER back into places unless there is no alternative, I hate reversing, I do not have stereoscopic vision, I never have. This one of the very few things Tesla have ever got wrong.
Yep. Front center port. Backing into parking is slow and difficult. Backing out into empty space is much easier. Moreover, If you place the CHARGER in front center of a parking space, it's cord could reach cars with ports basically anywhere, while having a still relatively short cord. Also no confusion about which charger goes to which parking space. In many cases, you could change existing stations to center position chargers by just repainting the stall lines.
For several technical and practical reasons, a charge port in the front is a bad idea. Having also a deficient stereoscopic vision (but never troubled me to reverse...), I sympathise with your predicament... but the chances of the standard for the location of the charging port being the front of the vehicle is precisely nil!
Many businesses require their employees to back company-owned vehicles into parking spaces due to much lower vehicle repair, and therefore, insurance costs, as well as lost availability time opportunity costs.
@@jimmanley2796 Armed services also require to always park so as to be able to move out as easily and quickly as possible. One of the little peculiarities I had to learn when passing my military driver's license.
Rear left and front right charging ports might make sense but at the end of the day optimising for short charging cables - cost and efficient resource use - rightly trumps everything else.
I was at the supercharger in Jackson, Ca a while ago, and 3 superchargers were iced by pickups on purpose because the locals hate Tesla. They were there for the whole time I charged ( 45 min) they tried to fake charging by putting the naps into their pickup rack holes, I think we need some solution for this.
In the Netherlands BP just announced that it wants to sell all of its 310 gas stations and it’s 25 charge hubs as ‘ It doesn’t see any growth potential anymore’. In the announcement BP also claims that the decision is also taken because of the issues on the capacity of the electricity grid. In reality they are already so far behind players like Tesla’ s super chargers and Fastned that they can’t compete anymore with their 25 charging hubs For context an ING study shows that it expects that the number of gas stations in the coming years will fall from the current 4000 to 2000. And there are currently 152.000 public chargers in the Netherlands out of which 5000 are fast chargers
I think Tesla has done a lot of things right... but the charge plug location is not one of them. In the US, whether they are near the front or back, they should be on the right/passenger side. We drive on the right, park on the right. When it's common for EV chargers to be integrated into street lighting, it will make it super easy to simply plug in right next to the sidewalk. I think a wise location for non-Teslas is the front right fender area. It'll be reachable from the sidewalk AND people can charge nose-first in Tesla stalls.
So: 1. better status for non-tesla vehicles on how busy a supercharger is, 2. longer cables to make it easier for non-tesla cars with plugs in other spots to charge, 3. Telsa will use "AI" and other data to figure out why people are blocking charging spots (aka why are people ICE-ing?). 4. encouraging manufacturers to put their charge ports in the same place as tesla.
Never had a problem finding a charger for my BMW. There are plenty of non Tesla chargers near me . Actually no Tesla super chargers near me at all so I don’t understand why people keep going on about how good the supercharger network is. Closet is 10km away. Not many Tesla superchargers in the Melbourne metropolitan area so I couldn’t rely on the Tesla super charger system anyway.
Once charging speed improvements are included in new models and at charging stations the charging experience will be similar to the wait at a busy petrol station.
Except that I was stopping around 70 times per year at a petrol station with my previous (ICE) car, and now only 10-12 times a year at a supercharger with my Tesla! Actually, I spend LESS time per year charging, than I spent filling up before! Another myth killed!
Street charging reason is just an excuse. Putting longer cables on dc fast is more of an issue because of the power levels. Street charging is level 1 or 2 ac so long cables is much easier and most street charging already has longer cables anyway so it is not an issue if the port is on the other side. Like you said, front right makes more sense and solves the plug exposed to traffic issue. Fuel ports ARE mostly on the rear left for a reason, driver access and visibility for safety and convenience. If it was on the right the cars would have to pull in the other way or the hose would be exposed to impact in the station.
I have a Ford F150 Lighting. I have had it since February 2023 and managed to put 38000 miles on it. At first I was Leary to even leave town with it. Since then I have crossed the country several times. From home in Southern New Mexico to Vermont is long adventure and I have done it three times. Indirectly my I have traveled to San Antonio Texas, then to near Montgomery Alabama, and finished in Myrtle Beach and returned the same route. Obviously I am no stranger to EV chargers. In my early experience I did block some sites by parking in the wrong stall. But, have learned from my experiences and have found 99% of the sites don’t require me to block any parking site but the one I am using. Most of the time and easiest way is to choose the stall farthest to the right. If that stall is not available I will look for a stall adjacent to crosswalk. There is plenty of room to angle park my truck if let my rear bumper encroach into the crosswalk. (Because of the length Tesla’s and my truck there always plenty of room for pedestrians) Your story concerns me because I could be putting my truck through angle manipulations or even wait periods so as not to be a stall hog and still be labeled one because the algorithm assumes I am a stall hog.
The charging port is what actually concerns me about purchasing the g6 given that it's charge port to the right rear, not very friendly for Melbourne street charging or Melbourne to Sydney also not fair to other owners if I am taking up 2 bays while trying to charge my car
A bit out of date on access news. Access to Superchargers by non Tesla EVs started in Jan 2023 and by Aug 2023, half of Superchargers in Oz was accessible.
Putting a charge port in the back of the vehicle means the driver must back into the stall - a more difficult maneuver than just pulling in straight - not to mention the traffic jam that can happen if there are many vehicles waiting to charge and everyone jockeying for position going backwards. Putting it dead center at the very front of the vehicle means that, if you got in a front fender bender, your car could now be unusable because you may have damaged the charging port. The best location is at the front of the car on the side. Which side? The driver's side of course. Why would you make someone walk around to the other side of the car if they don't have to?
Tesla's prices for level 3 charging is nuts(Here in Canada). i've never seen any level 3 as high as Tesla. Even if i owned a Tesla id use other charging instead of Tesla.
I don't see most people paying to subscribe for cheaper supercharging. Super charging is rare for most people so it's not worth it for occasional. Tesla positioned their car charge ports on the driver's rear corner so they are easy for the driver to get to and so a short cable is needed for superchargers. Most other EVs have a different spot so it means they have to park across two spots to plug in. Problem is that a longer supercharger cable will lay on the ground so it's easier to be damaged. The adaptors should have long enough cables for the particular car's charge port location and Tesla should require other manufacturers to position the charge port in a compatible location as they install NACS port on the cars.
Tesla received indeed some subsidies to build their charging network... to the tune of less than 10% of the total they invested.... basically irrelevant. And who actually paid for this second-to-none network? Those who bought Tesla cars! So, no! Non-Tesla owners must pay for they fair usage of the network!
Agree that Tesla should be making money however some of those supercharges were installed via government subsidies and therefore everyone is entitled to get the same rate.
I disagree with the optimal place for the charging port. It’s not universal. In USA and Australia street charging may not be that common because of different city planning. In Europe the driver side charging port is not as functional as the opposite side because denser cities and thus more street charging.
As standards emerge in a new industry, they are often guided by the industry leader of the time the standards are set. So, in the case of EVs, Tesla seems the natural choice!
Rivian has confirmed that the R2's port location will be on the driver's side rear after scores of customers and possible customers let them know how unhappy when they saw the port on the wrong side.
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@paulcrosa9834 if it's a small bump then the charger will be unaffected. It would need to be a fair old shunt taking out the front bumper and lights before it hits the charger. IF it happens, then you'd still have charge in the car (assuming it's drivable) to either get home OR you'd call you insurance/breakdown recovery for it to be repaired. It's such a non issue made up by people who believe the FUD. Show me a list/study of all the EVs that have been left unable to drive after a minor accident where the only damage has been to the charge port because it's located at the front of the car out of the millions of EVs that have them at the front. If it were a real problem, then car manufacturers would relocate the port, but it's not an issue so best to get over it. It's more reasonable that the better location is where Tesla put them purely because they operate the best charging network on the planet and that they have designed their cars and chargers to work as one, so they have a bit of weight on the topic.
The location of the charge port is usually in relation to where the on board charger is located for packaging. Saying all manufacturers should have it in the same spot is ridicules. not all vehicles are cookie cutter the same like Tesla. usually it doesn't matter where it is on the vehicle you can drive in or back in and make it work. Personally id say bet location would be front left 99% of the time, but my Ioniq is back left and it works fine, unless im towing
From what I understand, tesla version 2 superchargers, 150kw, will never be available to other cars because of the communication standard they use versus the 250kw and newer. Unless tesla changes the hardware at each location used for the communication protocol.
Tesla should be prohibited by law from charging a different rate for different vehicles. If that's not the case in some regions it should be. The EU already has a requirement that all public chargers, including Tesla's should offer non-discriminatory pricing. And no BS like a "subscription" that happens to come with being a Tesla car or whatever. And for that matter, no requirement to use some app either - chargers should have a tap to pay system and a screen to control charging. Simply put it should be as simple to charge a car as it is to fill it with petrol.
Most DC charging providers in Europe offer discounts when you subscribe to their networks with a monthly or yearly subscription payment; Fastned, Ionity, EnBW, BP/ Aral Pulse, etc. Tesla are no different in this respect.
As far as I am aware, Aptera were the first to say they'd build to Tesla fitting making Tesla"open". That enabled the charger grants from the government in America to come to Tesla like the other open networks. Then Ford followed
No, Aptera adopted NACS, which Tesla had previously designed, implemented in now seven million of its EVs, and presented for adoption as a standard. Aptera hasn’t really done anything with NACS as they have yet to produce a single vehicle for any customer.
The charging ports Should be standard left or right quarter panel, just like gass vehicles. Putting the charging port in front of a vehicle does not make sense. More accidents are in the front of vehicles .
And not very long ago, many had the fill cap behind the rear license plate or above it, so the fill was always in the middle of the rear. I think the Ford Pinto fires ended that?
You will never get manufacturers to agree on charging socket location. LHD vs RHD was a thing in ICE cars. No reason to think this will get fixed. Tesla ownership does not guarantee access to a Tesla Supercharger. For instance Dublin, the capital of Ireland with over 1.2mn population has four stalls in one location ... and that's it!
I believe Federal law requires all brands and models of ICE cars to have the gas port in the same location. It is a no brainer. Same as universal chargers for cell phones.
Wrong. The only requirement is that an indicator triangle be provided on the fuel gauge that shows which side the filler port is located (which most drivers don’t know about). Requiring all vehicles to have the port on one side would result in long lines for pumps on that side because most people don’t know how to park so that the hose will reach a far side port without rubbing on the paint finish. This is especially true where hoses are shorter and don’t have slack removal reels built in as a cost-saving measure. Some stations only allow driving up to pumps in one direction for traffic control and accident reduction (e.g., Costco, Sam’s Club, etc.), further degrading ease of use of pumps from either side.
One of the reasons I bought a tesla was because of the supercharger network so not to happy that the once exclusive to tesla chargers could be blocked up with non tesla vehicles. I get it from a business point of view but still not a happy bunny.
Inductive charging with coils underneath every parking space will be the next big thing, especially at big supermarkets and malls. People will do their shopping while their car is wirelessly charging. 🤔
Wireless charging is inefficient, especially for short-duration charging, with efficiency dropping exponentially with the size of the gap between the charger and vehicle coils. Vehicle coils also add cost and dead mass that doesn’t contribute anything to vehicle performance, including reducing range measurably.
I don't think it can be free indefinitely but I do think it's a great incentive for local authorities who need and want to encourage rapid adoption of EVs of any format. Build solar over your car park, provide charging spots for bikes, cars, vans and mopeds, give the power away for a few years and it's a public benefit to pollution which will reduce lung disease quite rapidly and reduce costs. But yeah, not sustainable for businesses to do unless someone is subsidising it. I could see there being people campaigning for either or both, but those looking to reduce pollution faster would be 100% correct.
Nothing in life is free. It takes energy just to breathe clean air and obtain clean water to drink, let alone the cost of producing, distributing, and consuming food, plus waste collection, recycling, and treatment costs. History shows that people need to appreciate the actual costs of living, or they will waste everything.
I've got 250,000 electric miles driven visited 750 charge stations. Met Out of Spec Kyle Conner while charging up one day. I've always loved the in use info that Tesla provides, so they are improving an existing feature, very nice.... but so far no Kyle Conner alerts!!! 😂😂 FYI I've always been able to charge with Tesla Superchargers. 100% And to be fair EA (Electrify America) I've been to 4 of them and they all were full of very pissed-off EV drivers. The gear looked beat up and crappy quality, and drivers on the phone with these complete idiot tech support know nothings..... So, EA 100% not working.... Thank You Tesla. ❤
Yep. Several reasons, but one of the reasons I traded in my 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 for a 2024 model Y. Loved the Ioniq, but EA was always a roll of the dice.
I think anybody that is taking up more than one location at a supercharger should have to pay triple the amount of what is charged and the people that were denied access get a free charge
Charging port in center of front of the car is how the Nissan Leaf did it. Center of the car, front or back, would mean equidistant from either side and most flexible for dealing with shorter cable lengths. Cable lengths could be set to charger to middle of space and be done with it. Front or back is just head in or back in parking. A standard would be awesome.
It's quite ironic that something we take for granted in the ICE world (convenience while filling up) is touted as a luxury by EVangelists like Sam. It's quite breathtaking how one of the biggest disadvantages of EV's is somehow being promoted as being an advantage of Tesla, because it's less inconvenient than other EV's, although it's still way more inconvenient that driving an ICE car, where you can pull into a servo, fill up at any pump, because strangely they have bowsers on either side, so it doesn't matter where your filler point is. Why on earth doesn't Tesla arrange their chargers like at a typical gas station, so you just pull up on whatever side is convenient for you, and so does everybody else.
Actually, Sam, after Musk had his little tissy fit and fired most of the super charge team, big delays and confusion impacted the roll-out. Musk was forced to eat humble pie and had to hire back many of the workers he had sacked. Even now the speed of the charger roll-out is still much reduced compared to the past.
The Tossers with Non Tesla’s will still take the lead from the wrong side and debunk the number of Chargers available. Some even park across Two Bays in Romford in Essex U.K.
charging port location is a HUGE issue... front is a terribly stupid place, sadly some really good cars like Kona, Soul or MG5 suffer from this.... besides the fact that it is sometimes very difficult to charge due to location of charger there is another huge show stopper... snow and ice sometimes completely closes and blocks the charge port, you have no chance whatsoever to get this port open as long you are outside in the freezing cold, definitely not funny on a long range trip, that basically means you need road assistence or even towing if there is no mobile heater with a fan available. Whoever invented this terrible port location should be forced to use it a year long in cold weather conditions as a brutal punishment.
Shows ya how bad and slow the legacy bs ice is and how they take it foe granted that they can do what they want and put a fill point where ever they like and not have it be standardised... absolutely crazy
How come there's no EV charging at traditional service stations? I don't understand because as you say, all new cars we will be electric. Eventually that is, sometime in the future, perhaps by 2029.
EV charging infrastructure installation is a several hundred thousand to multi-million dollar up-front cost … PER SITE. All standalone fuel stations make far more profit from “inconvenience” store sales than from fuel. Many fuel stations are owned and operated by small businesses that pay franchise fees to fuel suppliers. Costco, Sam’s Club, etc., break even on fuel sales as a marketing advantage and make all of their profits from their store sales.
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Tesla has all the info to know about supercharger availability, and they show it when selecting a site to navigate to. But I've found it extremely wrong more than 50% of the time, like it's a placebo. I've been to superchargers that say there are 2 free stalls, but 8 cars are waiting. (Tesla knows when cars are waiting) Ive been to superchargers that say 0 available but 50% are free Good idea, but Tesla needs to dedicate a programmer to fix the bugs. The availably is likely to be bogus. Fortunately, superchargers are usually available, so bogus reports don't matter.
I do wonder how much public/taxpayer money Tesla have taken for their supercharger network. Here in the UK, there is a huge fund made available by government for charge-point networks to use to expand the rapid charge-point network. I’m in no way against that, but let’s not think that Musk is being in any way altruistic.
@ To infer that Tesla hasn’t taken any money from either the US Government (Inflation Reduction Act) or the UK Government (Rapid Charging Fund) would be inaccurate to say the least. I’m sure that superchargers were initially built from Tesla’s own funds initially, but if there’s public money available, Musk will grab it and I’m sure it’s played a part in Tesla opening up the network to non-Tesla’s. Mr Musk is not that philanthropic.
Very little funding has been provided for Tesla Superchargers, and since states determine which companies receive it, the Dumbocrap-run states/counties/municipalities have refused to provide funding to Tesla for purely political/ideological purposes. Lawsuits, that needlessly increase costs to taxpayers, most of whom can’t afford EVs, and severely delay infrastructure roll-out, have all been won by Tesla. They are yet-another reason for the recent U.S. election results, and there are many more in court dockets around the U.S., awaiting adjudication.
@ I thought the UK was messed up, but the US really does excel in this. Here in the UK, I understand that the UK Government (both red and blue) have been providing money to providers to the tune of £m’s (I’m fairly certain the fund is around £200m). Musk is a businessman and would certainly not baulk at the idea of ‘free money’ from taxpayers. So whilst there may be problems in the US, the same problems don’t exist in the UK. Where Musk is concerned, there are no ‘pork-barrel politics’.
Yes, the SAE screwed up in the J1772 standards. They didn't restrict the location of the charge ports. This is already causing problems I won't go into now. In a gas car the fueling port had to be where there's a gravity feed to the tank. Electricity can go uphill and around corners so there's no limit. News flash: you can put more than one on a car through a simple interlock.
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Tesla needs to also start putting in pull thru stalls at least one on each end that would accommodate TRAILERS. With a charge stand on either side. I see a lot of Model Y owners towing trailers in my area, and that is guaranteed to increase with electric pickups now on the market.
Absolutely. I was on a road trip last month and a Tesla with a trailer was blocking 3 chargers since there was no pull thru. Luckily there were a couple of free spots when I got there.
They do/are
Even gas cars haven't standardized the location of the gas cap, and it's been a century.
European and American: right side
Japanese and Korean: left side
There ya go
@@SirBalageG American right side? Funny, I have seen the opposite and I own one legacy american truck. What are you talking about? My wife had an american ice vehicle before (chevy sonic); left rear. Growing up, we had a chevy impala wagon, left rear. Father had a dodge dart, left rear, then a ford taurus, left rear. Are you visiting from another planet?
@@SirBalageG Should you be flagged for lying or providing false information?
?? From what I have seen yes they have. As exampled below with the american cars, and now my family has had or has many camry and I know every person with other asian cars and they are all on the back left. Hyundai, toyota, honda and volvos I have seen, bmw, mercedes, etc. ??
@@SirBalageGmy jeep made in Toledo Ohio left side
Some Superchargers have been open for anyone in the UK for ages and for non-Tesla owners they are cheaper than pretty much any other provider.
They’re not the cheapest option In America.
We get free charging or discounted charging with other providers.
A lot of the time without those benefits they are some of the cheaper options though..
I totally agree that there should be a standard position for the port but for me the logical position would be the centre of the front of the car.
It’s easier and quicker to drive forward into a bay and more accurate too, which is important when positioning between vulnerable units. In my own case with using a CCS2 adapter in my S it’s almost impossible to stop first time in a position where the charger doesn’t stop the adapter being plugged in, which means getting in and out of the car several times and each time having to enter the PIN to move again!
I know I’m in the minority but front centre makes sense on several counts.
Stay well, folks.
All of us Tesla owners paid for the superchargers with higher prices for our vehicles. I am happy to have other brands use the superchargers but since they didn’t pay a surcharge for their vehicles it is fair that they pay more.
All us Google phone owners helped pay for RUclips with higher prices on our phones. I am happy to have other brands use RUclips but since they didn’t pay a surcharge for their phones they should have to pay more
It is fair that non- Tesla owners pay more but pure supposition that Teslas cost more to pay for chargers, it may be to pay for SpaceX.
1. Pull through chargers on main routes
2. Pull through chargers on main routes
3. Pull through chargers on main routes
What’s number 4? 😂
2024 winter patch is said to have super charger info regarding pull through charger stations. Hopefully, this will integrate well with "towing" mode.
@ 😂 Ban non pull through chargers on main routes 😂
Not sure we'll ever standardize the location of the charging plug. If we end up with a lot of street-side charging, it would presumably be different in countries based on the side of the car facing the curb.
That extra income goes back to investing in new superchargers, so everyone wins.
Nissan Leaf charging port is in the front of the car as are quite a few others, Kia Niro and the Kona spring to mind
Have a MG zs ev and find the charging port at front very convenient. Have never had any issues with cable length as shortest distance is straight line so face the charger
I'm fortunate to live quite near a Tesla Supercharger that is always busy but seldom full. And most of the time, especially on trips, I am seldom in a big hurry (perhaps quite different from everybody else). Honestly, it gets complicated worrying about whether stations are full or busy. However, the one thing I do wish Tesla would plan for and manage is a place where cars can wait in a queue (or even pick up numbered card to put on their dashboards) for the next available charger. Too often, when you roll in, you see one or two (or many) cars waiting, so you wait too, but then other cars come to wait as well. Pretty soon nobody can get in or out. A car that came in last is right next to (and pulls into) the next charger that comes open, while you are sitting over on the other side behind the car that actually should go next.
I would be a good move for Tesla to extend the length of the charge cable and help reduce congestion at the stations.
Alex on Autos made a great point why it's better to put the charging port on the passenger's (right) side in the US instead of the driver's (left) side. When we finally have EV chargers installed on streets then it's better to have the port on the curb side which will be the passenger's (right) side. If you have the charging cable sticking out of the driver's side, then it might get knocked off by a passing car.
EV Superchargers on streets won’t happen in large numbers because of the cost and complexity of installing the large back-side power conversion/control boxes that have to be accessible for large power conductor routing via the shortest distance (especially DC fast charging) and firefighting. Plus, there are significant real estate and paving costs involved in installation, with street parking real estate being some of the highest cost anywhere. Putting chargers in the lowest-cost locations is extremely important for widespread adoption, especially as EV prices (and profits) decline.
On driver side , cyclists more than motorists will hit it .
On passenger side ,
Walkers , drunks and bum's are likely to hit it
New Solutions are needed .
@jimmanley2796 Excellent points. I guess I've seen renderings of how the street chargers would look but I never put a lot of thought into the effort or cost involved.
Alex on Autos isn’t straight.
Sam, another solid video. Thank you.
Thanks for the update. First of all I appreciate the work You do . second of all front middle charging parts are the best location ever in my opinion and I pull trailers so that may be why the difference if you look at it from vehicle only perspective then front middle May not be any better than front right hand side but if you have it in the middle you could use a cable that’s fairly short on either side of your parking location. This just gives you more versatility. Makes it very easy to see exactly how close you are to the cable Also is in the easiest spot. I understand your thoughts on having everything the same, but I strongly lean towards having it in the middle of the front.
ask the people that have to deal with norwegian winters or the thai or spanish hot summer mosquitos. Middle front is not the best. When I drive with my white Tesla from Switzerland to Portugal (2000km) I then have a black front, since all mosquitos of all the world are there. I don't want to touch that every time I want to charge. Also Björn Nyland has shown, that Kias and others that had the charge port in the front, had problems opening it, because it was to snowy, icy. Even if it's heated, it stays there after having driven for hours in -10 degrees. Do you want to touch that?
Having the charge port on the front causes no problems at all at Superchargers. 😅 I’ve had no trouble at any charging stations in six years with my Kona E .😮
If one goes into a gas station virtually all pumps are drive through. Cars put their fill spouts in different locations, but every pump is available depending on which way someone enters the pump lane. Why haven't we changed over to this modality with EV charging stations?
How about putting the charger plug up the exhaust pipe, 😜
Yup, This is why I got a Tesla. Tesla supercharging is also less expensive per kWh than other CSS1 chargers which I've used for my Tesla.
They should make a recommendation for which stall to use, so stalls that are more easily accessible for trailers remain free. Also for V2 chargers so people don't share the same charger when there are other alternatives.
It’s 1.2Megawatts for the new high speed HGV rig chargers bro.
These details matter.
I own a Renault Zoe. It has the charge port at the front. It is wonderful, my charger is attached to the front of my house, I pull up and plug it in. I would HATE to have a rear left charge port, the cable would have to be far longer to reach the car and it would get in the way of people walking up to the house. By the way I NEVER back into places unless there is no alternative, I hate reversing, I do not have stereoscopic vision, I never have. This one of the very few things Tesla have ever got wrong.
Yep. Front center port. Backing into parking is slow and difficult. Backing out into empty space is much easier. Moreover, If you place the CHARGER in front center of a parking space, it's cord could reach cars with ports basically anywhere, while having a still relatively short cord. Also no confusion about which charger goes to which parking space. In many cases, you could change existing stations to center position chargers by just repainting the stall lines.
For several technical and practical reasons, a charge port in the front is a bad idea. Having also a deficient stereoscopic vision (but never troubled me to reverse...), I sympathise with your predicament... but the chances of the standard for the location of the charging port being the front of the vehicle is precisely nil!
Id rather back into a parking spot than back out into a busy lane, road etc. Its safer
Many businesses require their employees to back company-owned vehicles into parking spaces due to much lower vehicle repair, and therefore, insurance costs, as well as lost availability time opportunity costs.
@@jimmanley2796 Armed services also require to always park so as to be able to move out as easily and quickly as possible. One of the little peculiarities I had to learn when passing my military driver's license.
Rear left and front right charging ports might make sense but at the end of the day optimising for short charging cables - cost and efficient resource use - rightly trumps everything else.
High speed induction charging then it doesn’t matter where the socket is :-))
OK if you are happy to lose 70% of the charging power. Learn some physics.
@ get an iPhone and maybe a life
No such thing exists
@ how little you know , search for : “North America's First Wireless Charging Road Debuts in Detroit” one the many examples
Good stuff, thanks.
I was at the supercharger in Jackson, Ca a while ago, and 3 superchargers were iced by pickups on purpose because the locals hate Tesla. They were there for the whole time I charged ( 45 min) they tried to fake charging by putting the naps into their pickup rack holes, I think we need some solution for this.
In the Netherlands BP just announced that it wants to sell all of its 310 gas stations and it’s 25 charge hubs as ‘ It doesn’t see any growth potential anymore’. In the announcement BP also claims that the decision is also taken because of the issues on the capacity of the electricity grid. In reality they are already so far behind players like Tesla’ s super chargers and Fastned that they can’t compete anymore with their 25 charging hubs
For context an ING study shows that it expects that the number of gas stations in the coming years will fall from the current 4000 to 2000. And there are currently 152.000 public chargers in the Netherlands out of which 5000 are fast chargers
Sam your take on "luxury" is spot on.
I disagree
Put the charger plug behind the license plate
Let the auto industry adapt design instead of Tesla spending on longer cables.
7:00 Wow, Viking went off the rails at minute 7:00
I think Tesla has done a lot of things right... but the charge plug location is not one of them. In the US, whether they are near the front or back, they should be on the right/passenger side. We drive on the right, park on the right. When it's common for EV chargers to be integrated into street lighting, it will make it super easy to simply plug in right next to the sidewalk.
I think a wise location for non-Teslas is the front right fender area. It'll be reachable from the sidewalk AND people can charge nose-first in Tesla stalls.
So: 1. better status for non-tesla vehicles on how busy a supercharger is, 2. longer cables to make it easier for non-tesla cars with plugs in other spots to charge, 3. Telsa will use "AI" and other data to figure out why people are blocking charging spots (aka why are people ICE-ing?). 4. encouraging manufacturers to put their charge ports in the same place as tesla.
Never had a problem finding a charger for my BMW. There are plenty of non Tesla chargers near me . Actually no Tesla super chargers near me at all so I don’t understand why people keep going on about how good the supercharger network is. Closet is 10km away. Not many Tesla superchargers in the Melbourne metropolitan area so I couldn’t rely on the Tesla super charger system anyway.
Charge port location, front right is good for curb side charging and towing. back left is great for garage charging since the driver exits near there.
Depends if you have a RHD or LHD vehicle.
The Leaf has and has always had its charging point in front. Note that it allows a shorter cable.
My 2015 Tesla S90D has shown me on the center screen how many empty chargers there are Supercharging stations for some time.
The Tesla network is amazing. I'm curious how did you find the non Tesla charging networks in China, Sam?
Thankfully We own a Tesla and that they make charging easy.
Shout out to Mr Sam (true champ) for showing respect to OUT OF SPEC
Once charging speed improvements are included in new models and at charging stations the charging experience will be similar to the wait at a busy petrol station.
Except that I was stopping around 70 times per year at a petrol station with my previous (ICE) car, and now only 10-12 times a year at a supercharger with my Tesla! Actually, I spend LESS time per year charging, than I spent filling up before!
Another myth killed!
Street charging reason is just an excuse. Putting longer cables on dc fast is more of an issue because of the power levels. Street charging is level 1 or 2 ac so long cables is much easier and most street charging already has longer cables anyway so it is not an issue if the port is on the other side. Like you said, front right makes more sense and solves the plug exposed to traffic issue. Fuel ports ARE mostly on the rear left for a reason, driver access and visibility for safety and convenience. If it was on the right the cars would have to pull in the other way or the hose would be exposed to impact in the station.
5:00 'charge socket in the back' - the front is the cheapest space available to designers.
I think these 4 big changes make total sense as they are the biggest and best charging provider and these are welcome!
I have a Ford F150 Lighting. I have had it since February 2023 and managed to put 38000 miles on it. At first I was Leary to even leave town with it. Since then I have crossed the country several times. From home in Southern New Mexico to Vermont is long adventure and I have done it three times. Indirectly my I have traveled to San Antonio Texas, then to near Montgomery Alabama, and finished in Myrtle Beach and returned the same route. Obviously I am no stranger to EV chargers. In my early experience I did block some sites by parking in the wrong stall. But, have learned from my experiences and have found 99% of the sites don’t require me to block any parking site but the one I am using. Most of the time and easiest way is to choose the stall farthest to the right. If that stall is not available I will look for a stall adjacent to crosswalk. There is plenty of room to angle park my truck if let my rear bumper encroach into the crosswalk. (Because of the length Tesla’s and my truck there always plenty of room for pedestrians)
Your story concerns me because I could be putting my truck through angle manipulations or even wait periods so as not to be a stall hog and still be labeled one because the algorithm assumes I am a stall hog.
The charging port is what actually concerns me about purchasing the g6 given that it's charge port to the right rear, not very friendly for Melbourne street charging or Melbourne to Sydney also not fair to other owners if I am taking up 2 bays while trying to charge my car
A bit out of date on access news. Access to Superchargers by non Tesla EVs started in Jan 2023 and by Aug 2023, half of Superchargers in Oz was accessible.
OOS I-90 Surge actual results: Acura ICE won, Porsche Taycan, Model 3, then Ioniq6.
My Hy😁undai Charge port front right - never blocked or used 2 stations!
Rivian already said they are using nacs and put it in the right position for tesla.
Or, instead of urging simply, "if your port location is incompatible with our network, you will not get a charge".
Putting a charge port in the back of the vehicle means the driver must back into the stall - a more difficult maneuver than just pulling in straight - not to mention the traffic jam that can happen if there are many vehicles waiting to charge and everyone jockeying for position going backwards. Putting it dead center at the very front of the vehicle means that, if you got in a front fender bender, your car could now be unusable because you may have damaged the charging port. The best location is at the front of the car on the side. Which side? The driver's side of course. Why would you make someone walk around to the other side of the car if they don't have to?
Tesla's prices for level 3 charging is nuts(Here in Canada). i've never seen any level 3 as high as Tesla. Even if i owned a Tesla id use other charging instead of Tesla.
I don't see most people paying to subscribe for cheaper supercharging. Super charging is rare for most people so it's not worth it for occasional.
Tesla positioned their car charge ports on the driver's rear corner so they are easy for the driver to get to and so a short cable is needed for superchargers. Most other EVs have a different spot so it means they have to park across two spots to plug in. Problem is that a longer supercharger cable will lay on the ground so it's easier to be damaged. The adaptors should have long enough cables for the particular car's charge port location and Tesla should require other manufacturers to position the charge port in a compatible location as they install NACS port on the cars.
I believe Tesla received subsidies to build the Network so there should be no difference in price if you have a different car
Yes after Aptera joined network, it became "open" then qualifying for grants like the other ones
Tesla received indeed some subsidies to build their charging network... to the tune of less than 10% of the total they invested.... basically irrelevant. And who actually paid for this second-to-none network? Those who bought Tesla cars! So, no! Non-Tesla owners must pay for they fair usage of the network!
Right, so you know that you will wait 2 hrs until other brand EV's are in line to charge up at the Tesla S C.
Agree that Tesla should be making money however some of those supercharges were installed via government subsidies and therefore everyone is entitled to get the same rate.
I disagree with the optimal place for the charging port.
It’s not universal. In USA and Australia street charging may not be that common because of different city planning. In Europe the driver side charging port is not as functional as the opposite side because denser cities and thus more street charging.
The Renault Zoe has the charging port at the front, too.
My MG ZS is the same as well.
Nissan LEAF also!
@@DavidWilliams-DSW558 oh, and the Kona
"Lets all agree on where the charging port is for EV cars" ...... Yes I'm sure Elon is fine with this as long as it is where Tesla want it.
😂👍😂
The vast majority of EVs in the USA have it on the left rear.
Sounds like it's standard
As standards emerge in a new industry, they are often guided by the industry leader of the time the standards are set. So, in the case of EVs, Tesla seems the natural choice!
Right front is good for me BYD Dolphin
Rivian has confirmed that the R2's port location will be on the driver's side rear after scores of customers and possible customers let them know how unhappy when they saw the port on the wrong side.
front charging ports.... what happens in case of front crash.... no car able to move
How would you crash if you had no charge? If you have a front on impact, chances are you are being towed away.
@@steve_787
قد يكون الاصطدام بسيط هذا يعني عليك ان تصلحها رغم ان الاصطدام بسيط جدا
وايضا أغلب حوادث السيارات تكون من الامام
وهذا مكلف جدا للتصليح و غير أمن
وضع مدخل شحن في الإمام مباشرة أو في احد جوانب الأمامية هذا غباء
السيارات من القديم يتم وضع الوقود الديزل او البنزين في مكان واحد
لماذا السيارات الكهربائية لا تفعل مثلها
Ice and snow accumulates at the front of the car.
@@steve_787 but if it's a small bump you break the charger but the car could still run..... so it doesn't make sens to place it in the front
@paulcrosa9834 if it's a small bump then the charger will be unaffected. It would need to be a fair old shunt taking out the front bumper and lights before it hits the charger. IF it happens, then you'd still have charge in the car (assuming it's drivable) to either get home OR you'd call you insurance/breakdown recovery for it to be repaired. It's such a non issue made up by people who believe the FUD. Show me a list/study of all the EVs that have been left unable to drive after a minor accident where the only damage has been to the charge port because it's located at the front of the car out of the millions of EVs that have them at the front. If it were a real problem, then car manufacturers would relocate the port, but it's not an issue so best to get over it. It's more reasonable that the better location is where Tesla put them purely because they operate the best charging network on the planet and that they have designed their cars and chargers to work as one, so they have a bit of weight on the topic.
Our mobi-e in Portugal we always know if someone is on the chargers.
Wish the cords were longer. It is such a pain if your not perfectly oarked
The location of the charge port is usually in relation to where the on board charger is located for packaging. Saying all manufacturers should have it in the same spot is ridicules. not all vehicles are cookie cutter the same like Tesla. usually it doesn't matter where it is on the vehicle you can drive in or back in and make it work. Personally id say bet location would be front left 99% of the time, but my Ioniq is back left and it works fine, unless im towing
From what I understand, tesla version 2 superchargers, 150kw, will never be available to other cars because of the communication standard they use versus the 250kw and newer. Unless tesla changes the hardware at each location used for the communication protocol.
Tesla should be prohibited by law from charging a different rate for different vehicles. If that's not the case in some regions it should be. The EU already has a requirement that all public chargers, including Tesla's should offer non-discriminatory pricing. And no BS like a "subscription" that happens to come with being a Tesla car or whatever. And for that matter, no requirement to use some app either - chargers should have a tap to pay system and a screen to control charging. Simply put it should be as simple to charge a car as it is to fill it with petrol.
Businesses should be free to make their own decisions.
Most DC charging providers in Europe offer discounts when you subscribe to their networks with a monthly or yearly subscription payment; Fastned, Ionity, EnBW, BP/ Aral Pulse, etc. Tesla are no different in this respect.
A law like that would discourage Tesla from making those investments to accommodate other users.
Didn't Aptera propose NACS not Tesla? They just made their socket and plug, and Aptera said everyone should use it.
As far as I am aware, Aptera were the first to say they'd build to Tesla fitting making Tesla"open".
That enabled the charger grants from the government in America to come to Tesla like the other open networks.
Then Ford followed
What difference does it make? Obviously Tesla was the only company to pick a standard and actually implement it in mass.
No, Aptera adopted NACS, which Tesla had previously designed, implemented in now seven million of its EVs, and presented for adoption as a standard.
Aptera hasn’t really done anything with NACS as they have yet to produce a single vehicle for any customer.
The charging ports
Should be standard left or right quarter panel, just like gass vehicles. Putting the charging port in front of a vehicle does not make sense. More accidents are in the front of vehicles .
After hundreds of years, even ice cars have different sides for filling …
And not very long ago, many had the fill cap behind the rear license plate or above it, so the fill was always in the middle of the rear.
I think the Ford Pinto fires ended that?
@ Japanese cars on the left, European cars on the right.
( well, most of them)
the front is better for 95% of the time as most will charge at home, or am I missing something?
You’re wrong. Rear is better.
You will never get manufacturers to agree on charging socket location. LHD vs RHD was a thing in ICE cars. No reason to think this will get fixed.
Tesla ownership does not guarantee access to a Tesla Supercharger. For instance Dublin, the capital of Ireland with over 1.2mn population has four stalls in one location ... and that's it!
There are many apps out there that let you know if non-Tesla chargers are in use. With EA I can always get that info.
Agree, chargefox does this.
I'm one of the unlucky ones that can only use V1 or V2 chargers, a fix might be on the horizon.
Don’t bet on it
They shouldn't be allowed to block period.
What about pull through EV charging with Tesla?
Pulling a trailer more than 200 miles is the largest downside of the Cybertruck.
I believe Federal law requires all brands and models of ICE cars to have the gas port in the same location. It is a no brainer. Same as universal chargers for cell phones.
Wrong. The only requirement is that an indicator triangle be provided on the fuel gauge that shows which side the filler port is located (which most drivers don’t know about). Requiring all vehicles to have the port on one side would result in long lines for pumps on that side because most people don’t know how to park so that the hose will reach a far side port without rubbing on the paint finish.
This is especially true where hoses are shorter and don’t have slack removal reels built in as a cost-saving measure. Some stations only allow driving up to pumps in one direction for traffic control and accident reduction (e.g., Costco, Sam’s Club, etc.), further degrading ease of use of pumps from either side.
One of the reasons I bought a tesla was because of the supercharger network so not to happy that the once exclusive to tesla chargers could be blocked up with non tesla vehicles. I get it from a business point of view but still not a happy bunny.
Inductive charging with coils underneath every parking space will be the next big thing, especially at big supermarkets and malls. People will do their shopping while their car is wirelessly charging. 🤔
Wireless charging is inefficient, especially for short-duration charging, with efficiency dropping exponentially with the size of the gap between the charger and vehicle coils. Vehicle coils also add cost and dead mass that doesn’t contribute anything to vehicle performance, including reducing range measurably.
Same like some EV groups in Malaysia that wants free charging.
I don't think it can be free indefinitely but I do think it's a great incentive for local authorities who need and want to encourage rapid adoption of EVs of any format. Build solar over your car park, provide charging spots for bikes, cars, vans and mopeds, give the power away for a few years and it's a public benefit to pollution which will reduce lung disease quite rapidly and reduce costs.
But yeah, not sustainable for businesses to do unless someone is subsidising it. I could see there being people campaigning for either or both, but those looking to reduce pollution faster would be 100% correct.
Why? Is petrol free?
Nothing in life is free. It takes energy just to breathe clean air and obtain clean water to drink, let alone the cost of producing, distributing, and consuming food, plus waste collection, recycling, and treatment costs. History shows that people need to appreciate the actual costs of living, or they will waste everything.
I agree with all here, they just have this silly entitlement mentality which gives BEV owners a bad name.
I've got 250,000 electric miles driven visited 750 charge stations. Met Out of Spec Kyle Conner while charging up one day. I've always loved the in use info that Tesla provides, so they are improving an existing feature, very nice.... but so far no Kyle Conner alerts!!! 😂😂 FYI I've always been able to charge with Tesla Superchargers. 100% And to be fair EA (Electrify America) I've been to 4 of them and they all were full of very pissed-off EV drivers. The gear looked beat up and crappy quality, and drivers on the phone with these complete idiot tech support know nothings..... So, EA 100% not working....
Thank You Tesla. ❤
Yep. Several reasons, but one of the reasons I traded in my 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 for a 2024 model Y. Loved the Ioniq, but EA was always a roll of the dice.
WoW! Goooood news.
I think anybody that is taking up more than one location at a supercharger should have to pay triple the amount of what is charged and the people that were denied access get a free charge
Bang has gone the biggest advantage of owning a Tesla.
Charging port in center of front of the car is how the Nissan Leaf did it. Center of the car, front or back, would mean equidistant from either side and most flexible for dealing with shorter cable lengths. Cable lengths could be set to charger to middle of space and be done with it. Front or back is just head in or back in parking. A standard would be awesome.
It's quite ironic that something we take for granted in the ICE world (convenience while filling up) is touted as a luxury by EVangelists like Sam. It's quite breathtaking how one of the biggest disadvantages of EV's is somehow being promoted as being an advantage of Tesla, because it's less inconvenient than other EV's, although it's still way more inconvenient that driving an ICE car, where you can pull into a servo, fill up at any pump, because strangely they have bowsers on either side, so it doesn't matter where your filler point is. Why on earth doesn't Tesla arrange their chargers like at a typical gas station, so you just pull up on whatever side is convenient for you, and so does everybody else.
Actually, Sam, after Musk had his little tissy fit and fired most of the super charge team, big delays and confusion impacted the roll-out. Musk was forced to eat humble pie and had to hire back many of the workers he had sacked. Even now the speed of the charger roll-out is still much reduced compared to the past.
My MG4 is already plug compatible with Tesla Chargers.
Your MG4 is junk
@ your response certainly is…
The Tossers with Non Tesla’s will still take the lead from the wrong side and debunk the number of Chargers available. Some even park across Two Bays in Romford in Essex U.K.
@TheDripSpotter aren't the new gen 4 chargers in the center and have longer cables
@@ericevans6382No!
charging port location is a HUGE issue... front is a terribly stupid place, sadly some really good cars like Kona, Soul or MG5 suffer from this.... besides the fact that it is sometimes very difficult to charge due to location of charger there is another huge show stopper... snow and ice sometimes completely closes and blocks the charge port, you have no chance whatsoever to get this port open as long you are outside in the freezing cold, definitely not funny on a long range trip, that basically means you need road assistence or even towing if there is no mobile heater with a fan available.
Whoever invented this terrible port location should be forced to use it a year long in cold weather conditions as a brutal punishment.
Shows ya how bad and slow the legacy bs ice is and how they take it foe granted that they can do what they want and put a fill point where ever they like and not have it be standardised... absolutely crazy
Need to lower the price is what they need to do
How come there's no EV charging at traditional service stations? I don't understand because as you say, all new cars we will be electric. Eventually that is, sometime in the future, perhaps by 2029.
EV charging infrastructure installation is a several hundred thousand to multi-million dollar up-front cost … PER SITE. All standalone fuel stations make far more profit from “inconvenience” store sales than from fuel. Many fuel stations are owned and operated by small businesses that pay franchise fees to fuel suppliers. Costco, Sam’s Club, etc., break even on fuel sales as a marketing advantage and make all of their profits from their store sales.
Oh! I see.
I guess if these EV sites have a big commercial size battery that's probably a million dollars at least.
Trailer owners need drive through just like old Servo's. Then who cares where you cable plugs in.
4:58
أتفق 💯
وضع مدخل شحن في الإمام مباشرة أو في احد جوانب الأمامية هذا غباء
لان اغلب حوادث السيارات تكون من الامام
وهذا مكلف جدا للتصليح و غير أمن
الافضل ان تكون في المكان القديم الذي يتم وضع فيه الوقود من الديزل او البنزين
Tesla has all the info to know about supercharger availability, and they show it when selecting a site to navigate to. But I've found it extremely wrong more than 50% of the time, like it's a placebo.
I've been to superchargers that say there are 2 free stalls, but 8 cars are waiting. (Tesla knows when cars are waiting) Ive been to superchargers that say 0 available but 50% are free
Good idea, but Tesla needs to dedicate a programmer to fix the bugs. The availably is likely to be bogus.
Fortunately, superchargers are usually available, so bogus reports don't matter.
I do wonder how much public/taxpayer money Tesla have taken for their supercharger network. Here in the UK, there is a huge fund made available by government for charge-point networks to use to expand the rapid charge-point network. I’m in no way against that, but let’s not think that Musk is being in any way altruistic.
For very long time Tesla has built and paid for their superchargers.
@ To infer that Tesla hasn’t taken any money from either the US Government (Inflation Reduction Act) or the UK Government (Rapid Charging Fund) would be inaccurate to say the least. I’m sure that superchargers were initially built from Tesla’s own funds initially, but if there’s public money available, Musk will grab it and I’m sure it’s played a part in Tesla opening up the network to non-Tesla’s. Mr Musk is not that philanthropic.
In the US, no money was given until the IRA, which I don’t think has been distributed to Tesla yet. Not that facts probably matter, though.
Very little funding has been provided for Tesla Superchargers, and since states determine which companies receive it, the Dumbocrap-run states/counties/municipalities have refused to provide funding to Tesla for purely political/ideological purposes.
Lawsuits, that needlessly increase costs to taxpayers, most of whom can’t afford EVs, and severely delay infrastructure roll-out, have all been won by Tesla. They are yet-another reason for the recent U.S. election results, and there are many more in court dockets around the U.S., awaiting adjudication.
@ I thought the UK was messed up, but the US really does excel in this. Here in the UK, I understand that the UK Government (both red and blue) have been providing money to providers to the tune of £m’s (I’m fairly certain the fund is around £200m). Musk is a businessman and would certainly not baulk at the idea of ‘free money’ from taxpayers. So whilst there may be problems in the US, the same problems don’t exist in the UK. Where Musk is concerned, there are no ‘pork-barrel politics’.
I think 1 Mwh will be the norm by 2035
1 MW, not MWh. The former is a charging rate, and the latter is battery pack charge capacity.
Yes, the SAE screwed up in the J1772 standards. They didn't restrict the location of the charge ports. This is already causing problems I won't go into now. In a gas car the fueling port had to be where there's a gravity feed to the tank. Electricity can go uphill and around corners so there's no limit. News flash: you can put more than one on a car through a simple interlock.
Tesla is keeping 3 mos free super charging for new purchases (so far)
Duh