It’s not like it’s a new thing. City didn’t start this whole thing . Chelsea didn’t even start it. Money has always played a part in success. Man Utd struck gold when they pulled through scholes/neville/beckham etc back in the 90’s. Don’t be naive thinking that was their model. They broke the British transfer record multiple times and spent money which contributed to their success. Every team throughout history has done it. These so called ‘legacy’ clubs have their knickers in a twist that other clubs are trying to compete and the only way to do so is to spend money
There is a difference in a club spending money and a club monopolizing football. They dont just are able to spend an unlimited amount of cash to buy first team players, the also splash the cash to try to buy all talented players across the world using their satellite clubs. With 12-15 clubs that can outspend the majority of the clubs in Europe which results in a declining level there and are able to transfer them between those satellite clubs as a 'transfer'. If no rules are needed to be followed it doesnt just impact the pl but all the competition around the world to different degrees.
Feeder clubs have been around for decades - contracts and payments to lesser clubs in order to get first dibs on talented players, buy up talented players across the globe to prevent rivals getting them, send them to feeders on loan to assess whether they're actually going to make it, or in order to get a work permit. The only difference is that many parent clubs also own their feeders now. Arsenal got bought by wealthy owners and then splashed the cash throughout the 20s in order to turn them from perennial 2nd tier relegation fighters into the most dominant team in the 30s (with the help of a dodgy promotion to boot 💰) Copy, paste, find, replace the last paragraph with United and James Gibson in the 30s. Almost on the brink of bankruptcy at the bottom of Division 2, Gibson came in, splashed the cash, and they were fighting for the First Division title within a handful of seasons before WW2 hit. Once WW2 was over, the Busby era started with an all-star squad. The only difference with Chelsea and City is time and the fact people weren't there to see it with Arsenal and United. But it's the same story.
Not wrong though is he. Football is not played on a fair level playing field. All those complaining about city are not realising all they have done is ignore the rules to get themselves to a point they are able to compete for titles. All clubs should be able to compete and the rules are there to stop them. I want a league where every club has a chance to compete and currently that is not the case. I want a league where it's about who has the best team and tactics and who is managed the best not just the clubs that earn the most money win everything which is what we currently have.the problem is not city it's football and how we have let it get to a point where money wins you titles. The fact they put these rules in after Newcastle were bought shows you how corrupt it is. As soon as there was an owner that could finance a club to compete at the top the other clubs voted rules in to stop it. That's not level and fair is it.
TBF it's always been about money. Look around the other leagues. It's always been the richer teams in major metropolitan area that have been succesful. In Germany it's always been the west German clubs that are successful because that's where the money is. In Italy it's always been the northern clubs because that's where the money is. This isn't something new. For me there's only 2 fair choices. Either a hard salary cap like America where every club can spend the same amount regardless of revenue or no rules at all.
@@russellward4624 the difference is back in day if you got a rich owner you had the chance to compete with the other rich clubs now with the new rules it stops that from happening. Every had a dream and new owner would come in and win trophies now no matter how much money you have you cannot compete with the top teams. It's appalling when you think about it. And you are right they need make it some each club has a limit they can spend not % terms and actual limit so it's fair for all
@@russellward4624correct BUT the EPL even with wealthy clubs like City are competing with other very wealthy clubs who all are in the shop window for the same profile of players, managers and staff! So the EPL will never likely have for example a Bayern or PSG situation
Its all a joke, Newcastle are being held back with new rules creeping up to hold them down even more. Meanwhile the big 6 teams who have historically benefitted from there being no rules are complaining and crying and moaning because they don't want to risk another European competitor. Sick of seeing "Pundits" in favour of Chelsea's billion dollar spend or City making 80m of subs saying it woudnt be fair for Newcastle to spend the money it now has What an utter joke
Unfortunately, Newcastle voted for FFP to be introduced in the PL in the first place - probably through some jealous rage that City won the lottery. What clubs like them are finding out now is that they shot themselves in the foot. And it's City who have been the one constant in trying to stop the regulations.
Chelsea sold 500m worth of players. The big spend is spread over lengh of Contracts. Chelsea wage bill has gone down 80m a season. That saved 80m helps pay for the players. Palmer 42m. Kovacic 30m to Man City. So a 12m difference. What is Palmer worth now 100m.
It's old money vs new money. The likes of Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal will argue they earned their spot through sporting successes and over decades, not over night.
The original rules were fit for purpose when it was all about the football and competitive sport. Now they dont suit the game as new owners can’t make as much money as they want to through the veichle of whatever team they choose to buy. 🤮
This is what the initial appeal was with Simon Jordan, passionate, a broad lexicon of vocabulary with punch, he's back! Just in time for the Aussie Summer when I need some polarising football chat as pre season moves nearer.
I tend to find Simon a bit of a contrarian at times.. But having someone in the room to introduce an oposite argument as well as he does, is so important! I think he's totally right on this one.. And he's got the ownership experience to back it
Yes, the majority of revenue goes to the biggest clubs. We allowed it to happen when we allowed non-UK owners who do not understand, nor care about the history of football here.
Agreed sportwashing and covering wealth is what has taken it to another level! No smoke without fire with that many breaches never seen in the football pyramid 😂
I'm sorry what? They didn't defend themselves. They didn't say we broke the rules because... They claimed the rules were unlawful. They are guilty of cheating the rules that everyone else signed off on.
The Red Cartel love these unfair rules... Now their naive fans have come together in their hatred of City, which is no more than a symptom of their frustration from a lack of trophies.
@@yt.personal.identificationhe voted for what he thought was to the benefit of his own club but it was wrapped up falsely and now even he realises he was sold a pup on the rules that it is well known, were initiated by Arsenal, Man Utd, spurs and Liverpool and which were supported by the premier league
@@liamclarke5275 The tops off the bottle as Simon says if you do not allow these clubs to use their financial muscle they will run to the super league . We have aloud hedge funds Nation states to run our clubs you cannot then turn round and say you can’t spend what you want that is restricted practice which no business will accept
@yt.personal.identification Some of those democratic rules have been found to be against the law. The premier league are not exempt from the law of the land.
So Simon Jordan has decided Manchester City are right, only took him a decade plus. Still cant help himself with the put downs and biased waffle though, priceless.
He said that City may be right that the new rules drafted are unlawful. He wasn’t complimentary about them. But they have a strong legal team (they need it) and the Premier League is run by muppets. The arguments are nuanced, and he argued his points with appropriate nuance. You may think he’s being smug, but your comment indicates to me you didn’t listen through the whole thing, because he is not at all complimentary about City.
APT rules were introduced to stop owners using clubs to subsidise others. Except the FA allowed these clubs to be used to lend money at favourable interest rates which is a form of subsidy. So what we need to know is why did the FA decide to allow this paricular form of subsidy and who benifited? I assume the answer to both these questions are linked, someone in the FA board clearly didn't want these rules voted on for some reason.
As a Newcastle fan I hate the idea of a European super league, but if these rules have been made to stop teams like Newcastle ,villa and forest or any other team of having any chance of competing for the league or even winning it we should go to this super league if we got invited in as want is the point in just making up the numbers in the premier league as it is always going to be the top cartel six
Nah man, rules say we have to say the rules are always good even if they're not, which is why they constantly change them but still.....of course a select few aren't trying to control things for their benefit, i mean it would be so obvious and people would be outraged.....and....er.......oh.
If city get away with it then the premier league should reverse all the decisions they’ve done on other clubs and give them their money back and compensate them further.
Newcastle rules ah yes they are anti competitive against one club and that was Newcastle United while the ink was drying on the contracts of the sale. The Man City challenge added spice to what we already knew which was why possibly Ashley took them to the competition appeals tribunal when it was adjourned
Bring in a luxury tax like M.L.B & N.B.A. that wouldn't be the best way forward in my view. A salary floor & cap would be impossible to enforce globally in football. So logically, a luxury tax is the only possible way forward. how a luxury tax works is if you spend over an agreed amount the amount you over spend buy you would pay the same amount to the league then the league distributes that between all Premier League clubs in that given season.
"my assumption"... Lol. Jordan tying himself in knots again. Flip flopping his way along""I've changed my position" "new clubs can't assume the opportunity, the last club off the rank were Man City". Which is precisely what City have been saying for fifteen years. The rules are protectionist and have been shown to be illegal. Crossing out the odd line with a crayon doesn't fix that. The premier league is run by amateurs out of their depth. They are not fit to run a global multi billion pound industry.
Too many rules ,let the big seven go and play in Europe ,the remaining clubs should have a pay structure that everyone can afford and adhere to . The championship is a far more competitive league ,if some players go that's fine as more young British talent will come through .
Man City cooperated in the first investigation. Why should they then cooperate a second time? After already being investigated...and serving a 'punishment' from said first investigation?
engerlish football sold out, foreign owners with foreign managers and foreign mercenaries with an average of 9 Foreign players from 11,the only thing engerlish is the name on the door and even if the money is right that's negotiable.
Jordan says owners should be allowed to plough unlimited riches into their club even if they are state owned, should they be allowed to drain the club dry like the Glazers did? Surely that's not good for football.
Fact! Majority of the people discrediting Man City are emotional and not thinking. What City is doing is not wrong, you have the right to challenge a rule that is not legal. Let the court decide, PERIOD!
For Simon to say city should not challenge the league! Law is law he should know better, fact is the owners of the old firm clubs don’t like new money! Why ? Because they lost money! People talk of this perfectly run league! Utter nonsense all ok if the rich stay rich! As soon as city they Newcastle, Chelsea they don’t agree! Yet before it was just fine
PL before this City clown circus: We need a profiled scapegoat, let's go for Everton. PL after this City clown circus: We really really really really really really need a scapegoat now. We did not manage last so we MUST destroy Everton this time just to show the world we are serious about the rules.
Well finally there's another conversation going on. American owners are about profit. Sooo...is YOUR club far behind City because you can't compete or the main objective of your BILLIONAIRE owners is to make a profit instead of winning?!
Football is inherently anti-competitive….hence why a pyramid exists Man Utd’s commercial revenue alone is significantly higher than the total turnover of the 14 clubs outside the top 6. Is that fair?? You could argue it isnt based upon the disgraceful sponsorship rules which have been brought in. I mean Newcastle have caused the Premier League to literally sh*t the bed. Since October 2021 the rule changes introduced to prevent them growing has killed future investment in the league dead. Literally blown their own foot off
So in other words… all that chest thumping and definitive language when this all started was stupid and childish now that that you’ve had time and thought about it… At least some things still work 🤷♂️
How can you complain about the majority of the revenue going to the prem when they are the top league in the pyramid? Of course they get the most because they have attracted the best players from around the world. Every sport is the same there is one top league or competition that gets the most money.
Simons so wrong on this , these clubs are using there owners countries unlimited wealth to make far more money than the sponsors are actually worth if you let them do it no one else will ever be competitive again. Abu Dhabi and Saudi would pump every penny into City and Newcastle how would anyone be able to compete with them? The only teams who'd have a chance would need to be state funded and before you know it half the league will be owned by States then you can kiss goodbye the Premier League and say hello to Super League 2.0 there would be no stopping it.
I would rather the rich clubs spend what they want than what is happening now, and that is the FA and PGMOL and SkyBet and therefore Sky and the broadcasters are giving tremendous bias towards the Cartel 6 that were threatening to leave the Premier League. I think it has gone so far we should let the system (Capitalism) take its course. Let the big clubs go, trust me when I say they will be replaced and other clubs will progress without them.
PL need to show some metal and show leadership, it’s clear as water - City are trying to bully them now and it’s getting ridiculous. Also why Villa getting involved here when no other club in the PL (there are 20 other clubs) is calling for this, City are just playing a game to bully PL.
CITY AINT ONE OF THEM AS THEY LOVE INFLATING THEIR REVENUE WHEN IN REALITY SPURS GENERATE DOUBLE THE CITY MATCHDAY REVENUE AND SELL WAY MORE MERCHANDISE FACT
This "cartel" thing makes me laugh when you got City suiting and booting lawyers and laundering money left and right to try own everything (very cartel like) 😅
No they didn’t. They opposed them and told the premier league at the time that if they try to enforce them they will litigate…. Why comment on something you clearly don’t understand?
@Launchedparsnips and what is the other option. We don’t agree with the rule so we will damage our own club by refusing to play in the league and go play in the championship instead. Why should they have to or be expected to do that. Instead, they got on with it, dominated on the pitch and are now letting the premier league know what’s up in the court rooms. The red cartel is on its knees!
Man City went sly mode in recent transfer window. As a neutral, they brought Savio from sister club, Doku, Akanji and Akanji are player that cost less then but had insane potential. Sold Alvarez for the most inflated price. Bought Nunes for a reduced prize compared to what Liverpool had planned. Have an academy with huge money in and out especially to clubs like Chelsea, Southampton, Ajax. It sponsors are all good in stocks Asahi, OKX, Midea, e& and Etihad all Asian investors. Plus the list of clubs they invest in which are all second team in a big city to rival the main team and usurp them. These conglomerate is not joking. So the FA should know who they’re fighting
No it won't because they are chasing money. The plan isn't to leave the Premier League! It's to stop the opportunity for other clubs to get the European money. No opportunity so they won't try. It's not rocket science but it amazes me how many of you can't figure this one out.
Because these rules don’t stop clubs from going bust or into financial difficulty like they’re supposed to do, they keep the established bigger clubs at the top. Are Newcastles trillion dollar ownership at risk of financial issues? I don’t think so.
The cartel existed before city and Newcastle had any opportunity. All of this has come about because of that. City got through the door before they could bring it in to effect. But that’s exactly why Newcastle and villa can’t follow suit.
“90% of all revenue goes to 20 clubs”. So it effin should, they are the clubs who actually generate the revenue ffs. So don’t tell me we have to give the lower clubs more money else the player pool will run dry….. cos all I’ll tell you is boll*x.
He’s right about how revenue is distributed. It’s destroying football as a competitive sport. Compare who’s won the Premier League since 2000s with decades like 60s, 70s, 80s when clubs like Burnley, Derby, Forest, Ipswich etc could get promoted and quickly challenge for the title on the basis of good management.
Clubs will say...Who creates such vast revenue for the league and its clubs and the wider economy? The people 😂 It's time for a FAIR DEAL. No1 WAGES. No2 WAGES. No3 WAGES. No4 PRICES. No5 PRICES. That'll do. Has to come from uefa and fifa though...wage cap (including reducing wages as of now) in the Premier league will send players to Spain and Italy. FIFA are all about greed though...Good luck with that.
The confrontational attitude is solely the responsibility of Man City. The PL represents the democratic vote of the clubs and is doing so against one belligerent.
@@GaryMills-ku3rv No. I didn't say that. The illegal rule needs to be made legal with a vote. Why is Man City still demanding they be in charge of an autocracy?
It’s not like it’s a new thing. City didn’t start this whole thing . Chelsea didn’t even start it. Money has always played a part in success. Man Utd struck gold when they pulled through scholes/neville/beckham etc back in the 90’s. Don’t be naive thinking that was their model. They broke the British transfer record multiple times and spent money which contributed to their success. Every team throughout history has done it. These so called ‘legacy’ clubs have their knickers in a twist that other clubs are trying to compete and the only way to do so is to spend money
There is a difference in a club spending money and a club monopolizing football. They dont just are able to spend an unlimited amount of cash to buy first team players, the also splash the cash to try to buy all talented players across the world using their satellite clubs.
With 12-15 clubs that can outspend the majority of the clubs in Europe which results in a declining level there and are able to transfer them between those satellite clubs as a 'transfer'.
If no rules are needed to be followed it doesnt just impact the pl but all the competition around the world to different degrees.
Feeder clubs have been around for decades - contracts and payments to lesser clubs in order to get first dibs on talented players, buy up talented players across the globe to prevent rivals getting them, send them to feeders on loan to assess whether they're actually going to make it, or in order to get a work permit. The only difference is that many parent clubs also own their feeders now.
Arsenal got bought by wealthy owners and then splashed the cash throughout the 20s in order to turn them from perennial 2nd tier relegation fighters into the most dominant team in the 30s (with the help of a dodgy promotion to boot 💰)
Copy, paste, find, replace the last paragraph with United and James Gibson in the 30s. Almost on the brink of bankruptcy at the bottom of Division 2, Gibson came in, splashed the cash, and they were fighting for the First Division title within a handful of seasons before WW2 hit. Once WW2 was over, the Busby era started with an all-star squad.
The only difference with Chelsea and City is time and the fact people weren't there to see it with Arsenal and United. But it's the same story.
It probably goes back to Blackburn buying the league title
@@dan19752008 Started wayyyy before that, you could go back to Arsenal in the 1920/1930s. Let's not mention 1919...
even my club forest had first million pound player and half mil keeper which was considered crazy when bought Shilton :)
Not wrong though is he. Football is not played on a fair level playing field. All those complaining about city are not realising all they have done is ignore the rules to get themselves to a point they are able to compete for titles. All clubs should be able to compete and the rules are there to stop them. I want a league where every club has a chance to compete and currently that is not the case. I want a league where it's about who has the best team and tactics and who is managed the best not just the clubs that earn the most money win everything which is what we currently have.the problem is not city it's football and how we have let it get to a point where money wins you titles. The fact they put these rules in after Newcastle were bought shows you how corrupt it is. As soon as there was an owner that could finance a club to compete at the top the other clubs voted rules in to stop it. That's not level and fair is it.
Spot on
TBF it's always been about money. Look around the other leagues. It's always been the richer teams in major metropolitan area that have been succesful. In Germany it's always been the west German clubs that are successful because that's where the money is. In Italy it's always been the northern clubs because that's where the money is. This isn't something new. For me there's only 2 fair choices. Either a hard salary cap like America where every club can spend the same amount regardless of revenue or no rules at all.
Football hasn't been fair since the Premier League was instigated... and the very reason it was created and when the Cartel took over football.
@@russellward4624 the difference is back in day if you got a rich owner you had the chance to compete with the other rich clubs now with the new rules it stops that from happening. Every had a dream and new owner would come in and win trophies now no matter how much money you have you cannot compete with the top teams. It's appalling when you think about it. And you are right they need make it some each club has a limit they can spend not % terms and actual limit so it's fair for all
@@russellward4624correct BUT the EPL even with wealthy clubs like City are competing with other very wealthy clubs who all are in the shop window for the same profile of players, managers and staff! So the EPL will never likely have for example a Bayern or PSG situation
Its all a joke, Newcastle are being held back with new rules creeping up to hold them down even more. Meanwhile the big 6 teams who have historically benefitted from there being no rules are complaining and crying and moaning because they don't want to risk another European competitor. Sick of seeing "Pundits" in favour of Chelsea's billion dollar spend or City making 80m of subs saying it woudnt be fair for Newcastle to spend the money it now has
What an utter joke
Unfortunately, Newcastle voted for FFP to be introduced in the PL in the first place - probably through some jealous rage that City won the lottery. What clubs like them are finding out now is that they shot themselves in the foot. And it's City who have been the one constant in trying to stop the regulations.
cant have one rule for nufc and another rule for clubs yet to be bought out mate
Newcastle dont win anything no matter what they do. Mid 90s. Shearer 15m won nothing. Vialli free transfer won Cups.
Chelsea sold 500m worth of players. The big spend is spread over lengh of Contracts. Chelsea wage bill has gone down 80m a season. That saved 80m helps pay for the players. Palmer 42m. Kovacic 30m to Man City. So a 12m difference. What is Palmer worth now 100m.
It's old money vs new money. The likes of Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal will argue they earned their spot through sporting successes and over decades, not over night.
The original rules were fit for purpose when it was all about the football and competitive sport.
Now they dont suit the game as new owners can’t make as much money as they want to through the veichle of whatever team they choose to buy. 🤮
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When was it all about football and competitive sport? Was it when state supported Real Madrid were sweeping all before them.
91% of the time they go away with the money EVERY time. Stats mate.
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This is what the initial appeal was with Simon Jordan, passionate, a broad lexicon of vocabulary with punch, he's back! Just in time for the Aussie Summer when I need some polarising football chat as pre season moves nearer.
I tend to find Simon a bit of a contrarian at times.. But having someone in the room to introduce an oposite argument as well as he does, is so important!
I think he's totally right on this one.. And he's got the ownership experience to back it
Yes, the majority of revenue goes to the biggest clubs. We allowed it to happen when we allowed non-UK owners who do not understand, nor care about the history of football here.
No, that happened before foreign owners were the norm. The launching of the Premier League changed it all
Agreed sportwashing and covering wealth is what has taken it to another level! No smoke without fire with that many breaches never seen in the football pyramid 😂
they sell a million shirts compared to our 50k. therefore its fair
City is right in this case, PL is breaking their own rules and is being unfair to the majority of the clubs.
But clearly not unfair to majority of billionaire owners who's main objective is to protect their money
▪︎PL - City broke 115 Rules
▪︎Court - PL,your Rules are Unlawful
▪︎Guilty/Cheats - City or PL?😂
I'm sorry what? They didn't defend themselves. They didn't say we broke the rules because... They claimed the rules were unlawful. They are guilty of cheating the rules that everyone else signed off on.
▪︎PL - City broke 115 Rules
▪︎Court - PL,your Rules are Unlawful
▪︎Majority PL Clubs - Vote for PL
▪︎Cheats - City or Majority of PL Clubs?🤣
Never a comment about the Glaziers and ManUtd and their debt whilst clubs like Man City and Newcastle have NO DEBT !!!
United made $600m last year.
@@footballbeforecluborcountry And City made 700+ mn. What's your point?
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get a life you sad man defo a birkenheader you
The Red Cartel love these unfair rules... Now their naive fans have come together in their hatred of City, which is no more than a symptom of their frustration from a lack of trophies.
The rules are voted in by all clubs.
Your "cartel" claim is ridiculous.
@Launchedparsnips Genius retort.
@Launchedparsnips When Simin owned Palace, did he vote to please the "red cartel" or vote to support his own interests?
@@yt.personal.identificationhe voted for what he thought was to the benefit of his own club but it was wrapped up falsely and now even he realises he was sold a pup on the rules that it is well known, were initiated by Arsenal, Man Utd, spurs and Liverpool and which were supported by the premier league
@@leighhudson9279 So he was just naive in business
Got it
Might aswell just let city do whatever they like at this point...
Like every other club does utd have been doing it for 35 years chelsea porsmouth newcastle Leeds etc etc
About time others can do the same things that united, liverpool etc have been doing for decades
@bluemoon1716 to right spot on
@@dalebrennan7615at least your not a plastic fella
7:38, why? that's the attitude that drives rich people into believing they're above the law.
To become rich, the law is something that restricts and rich people loves freedom
An independent regulator cannot come soon enough.
These clubs prove over and over they can't be trusted to run themselves
Please tell me what has the Government ever regulated properly Water Energy?
It is only one club that refuses to accept democratic rules.
@@liamclarke5275 The tops off the bottle as Simon says if you do not allow these clubs to use their financial muscle they will run to the super league . We have aloud hedge funds Nation states to run our clubs you cannot then turn round and say you can’t spend what you want that is restricted practice which no business will accept
@yt.personal.identification Some of those democratic rules have been found to be against the law. The premier league are not exempt from the law of the land.
@@WarrenPeace-n8w Yes.
So they vote on new ones.
Why is Man City scared of the democratic vote?
So Simon Jordan has decided Manchester City are right, only took him a decade plus. Still cant help himself with the put downs and biased waffle though, priceless.
He said that City may be right that the new rules drafted are unlawful. He wasn’t complimentary about them. But they have a strong legal team (they need it) and the Premier League is run by muppets. The arguments are nuanced, and he argued his points with appropriate nuance. You may think he’s being smug, but your comment indicates to me you didn’t listen through the whole thing, because he is not at all complimentary about City.
APT rules were introduced to stop owners using clubs to subsidise others. Except the FA allowed these clubs to be used to lend money at favourable interest rates which is a form of subsidy.
So what we need to know is why did the FA decide to allow this paricular form of subsidy and who benifited? I assume the answer to both these questions are linked, someone in the FA board clearly didn't want these rules voted on for some reason.
As a Newcastle fan I hate the idea of a European super league, but if these rules have been made to stop teams like Newcastle ,villa and forest or any other team of having any chance of competing for the league or even winning it we should go to this super league if we got invited in as want is the point in just making up the numbers in the premier league as it is always going to be the top cartel six
Nah man, rules say we have to say the rules are always good even if they're not, which is why they constantly change them but still.....of course a select few aren't trying to control things for their benefit, i mean it would be so obvious and people would be outraged.....and....er.......oh.
The points comparing cooperative ownership and competitive ownership were interesting.
Just like everything else in this country its a mess & stupid
If city get away with it then the premier league should reverse all the decisions they’ve done on other clubs and give them their money back and compensate them further.
I think I just caught a contact sports talk high from that CS Lewis reference.
As long as clubs have unlimited spending on players and transfers we can't have a level playing field.
The premier league leaked about Everton’s tribunal and 10 point deduction so it wouldn’t surprise me.
Newcastle rules ah yes they are anti competitive against one club and that was Newcastle United while the ink was drying on the contracts of the sale. The Man City challenge added spice to what we already knew which was why possibly Ashley took them to the competition appeals tribunal when it was adjourned
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🤣cope.
leagues like the cfl, unlike the epl, own the teams, and the team 'owners' run franchises. there are rules.
Always a good listen guys.
Bring in a luxury tax
like M.L.B & N.B.A. that wouldn't be the best way forward in my view.
A salary floor & cap would be impossible to enforce globally in football.
So logically, a luxury tax is the only possible way forward.
how a luxury tax works is if you spend over an agreed amount the amount you over spend buy you would pay the same amount to the league then the league distributes that between
all Premier League clubs in that given season.
If only a certain club was telling you this the whole time…
"my assumption"... Lol.
Jordan tying himself in knots again. Flip flopping his way along""I've changed my position" "new clubs can't assume the opportunity, the last club off the rank were Man City". Which is precisely what City have been saying for fifteen years.
The rules are protectionist and have been shown to be illegal. Crossing out the odd line with a crayon doesn't fix that.
The premier league is run by amateurs out of their depth. They are not fit to run a global multi billion pound industry.
It will go to court again ciry are right the pl are just not allowing any competitiveness at all
Simon has opinions . I like this show . White is excellent too. 😊
Rules are there to be broken - Man City
Especially unlawful “ rules “
Maybe if the premier league didn't break their own rules first
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Too many rules ,let the big seven go and play in Europe ,the remaining clubs should have a pay structure that everyone can afford and adhere to . The championship is a far more competitive league ,if some players go that's fine as more young British talent will come through .
Europe Super League seems to b good idea. Every teams r making money, every teams can spend whatever they want
Man City cooperated in the first investigation. Why should they then cooperate a second time? After already being investigated...and serving a 'punishment' from said first investigation?
Well the 20 teams in the premier league generate most of that revenue! If that's not the case then that's wrong.
engerlish football sold out, foreign owners with foreign managers and foreign mercenaries with an average of 9 Foreign players from 11,the only thing engerlish is the name on the door and even if the money is right that's negotiable.
91% of fans support these 20 clubs ….. what’s ya point Simon !
Jordan says owners should be allowed to plough unlimited riches into their club even if they are state owned, should they be allowed to drain the club dry like the Glazers did? Surely that's not good for football.
I hope City go after he PL again and Newcastle along with Villa join them in fighting this unjust rule which is corrupt
Fact! Majority of the people discrediting Man City are emotional and not thinking. What City is doing is not wrong, you have the right to challenge a rule that is not legal. Let the court decide, PERIOD!
That is obviously not based on emotion.
There are so many facts.
... oh, wait.
@Launchedparsnips More emotions were triggered.
Is it irony or just boring hypocrisy?
@@yt.personal.identification 😂
@Launchedparsnips Huh?
For Simon to say city should not challenge the league! Law is law he should know better, fact is the owners of the old firm clubs don’t like new money! Why ? Because they lost money! People talk of this perfectly run league! Utter nonsense all ok if the rich stay rich! As soon as city they Newcastle, Chelsea they don’t agree! Yet before it was just fine
PL before this City clown circus: We need a profiled scapegoat, let's go for Everton.
PL after this City clown circus: We really really really really really really need a scapegoat now. We did not manage last so we MUST destroy Everton this time just to show the world we are serious about the rules.
Watch Ch4 despatches, “footballs biggest scandal”
Well finally there's another conversation going on. American owners are about profit. Sooo...is YOUR club far behind City because you can't compete or the main objective of your BILLIONAIRE owners is to make a profit instead of winning?!
Football is inherently anti-competitive….hence why a pyramid exists
Man Utd’s commercial revenue alone is significantly higher than the total turnover of the 14 clubs outside the top 6. Is that fair?? You could argue it isnt based upon the disgraceful sponsorship rules which have been brought in.
I mean Newcastle have caused the Premier League to literally sh*t the bed. Since October 2021 the rule changes introduced to prevent them growing has killed future investment in the league dead. Literally blown their own foot off
So in other words… all that chest thumping and definitive language when this all started was stupid and childish now that that you’ve had time and thought about it…
At least some things still work 🤷♂️
How can you complain about the majority of the revenue going to the prem when they are the top league in the pyramid? Of course they get the most because they have attracted the best players from around the world. Every sport is the same there is one top league or competition that gets the most money.
"He's living in Narnia"😂
Next to the lion and the witch probably😂
Simons so wrong on this , these clubs are using there owners countries unlimited wealth to make far more money than the sponsors are actually worth if you let them do it no one else will ever be competitive again. Abu Dhabi and Saudi would pump every penny into City and Newcastle how would anyone be able to compete with them? The only teams who'd have a chance would need to be state funded and before you know it half the league will be owned by States then you can kiss goodbye the Premier League and say hello to Super League 2.0 there would be no stopping it.
I would rather the rich clubs spend what they want than what is happening now, and that is the FA and PGMOL and SkyBet and therefore Sky and the broadcasters are giving tremendous bias towards the Cartel 6 that were threatening to leave the Premier League. I think it has gone so far we should let the system (Capitalism) take its course. Let the big clubs go, trust me when I say they will be replaced and other clubs will progress without them.
PL need to show some metal and show leadership, it’s clear as water - City are trying to bully them now and it’s getting ridiculous.
Also why Villa getting involved here when no other club in the PL (there are 20 other clubs) is calling for this, City are just playing a game to bully PL.
Man tity just need to close shop and move to Duabi no rules and can bribe cheat in peace all they want
2 maybe 3 clubs generate most of the revenue
CITY AINT ONE OF THEM AS THEY LOVE INFLATING THEIR REVENUE WHEN IN REALITY SPURS GENERATE DOUBLE THE CITY MATCHDAY REVENUE AND SELL WAY MORE MERCHANDISE FACT
Man `u, Arsenal, Chelea, Liverpool and Spurs........ All this is down to those 5 teams.. better known as a Cartel.
And palace for some reason, sure they are being paid off
All of them substantially more loyal fans and popular than man city will ever be in Britain fact
This "cartel" thing makes me laugh when you got City suiting and booting lawyers and laundering money left and right to try own everything (very cartel like) 😅
Simon has changed his tune. I suspect brown envelopes are going his way now.
Please get Jim to stop licking his lips creepy
Lol have the red cartel stopped paying Simon?
hard salary cap. Hard transfer spending cap. First violation is relegation. Level the playing field. No state owned clubs. Period.
so same wage london as in ipswich? lol ok
Simon homeless people of Croydon need he Lp
Man City agreed to them as a PL club. they aren't the victims.
No they didn’t. They opposed them and told the premier league at the time that if they try to enforce them they will litigate…. Why comment on something you clearly don’t understand?
@Launchedparsnips and what is the other option. We don’t agree with the rule so we will damage our own club by refusing to play in the league and go play in the championship instead. Why should they have to or be expected to do that. Instead, they got on with it, dominated on the pitch and are now letting the premier league know what’s up in the court rooms. The red cartel is on its knees!
They didn't.
Why are people like you so woefully misinformed?
Man City went sly mode in recent transfer window. As a neutral, they brought Savio from sister club, Doku, Akanji and Akanji are player that cost less then but had insane potential. Sold Alvarez for the most inflated price. Bought Nunes for a reduced prize compared to what Liverpool had planned. Have an academy with huge money in and out especially to clubs like Chelsea, Southampton, Ajax. It sponsors are all good in stocks Asahi, OKX, Midea, e& and Etihad all Asian investors. Plus the list of clubs they invest in which are all second team in a big city to rival the main team and usurp them. These conglomerate is not joking. So the FA should know who they’re fighting
throw city and villa out. they wouldnt be missed, they were never important anyway
Agreed just boot them out and let them go to a super league, football will carry on regardless.
No it won't because they are chasing money. The plan isn't to leave the Premier League! It's to stop the opportunity for other clubs to get the European money. No opportunity so they won't try. It's not rocket science but it amazes me how many of you can't figure this one out.
You could throw Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal out too
how is there a cartel when city have won the league more than anybody else in the last 10 years, city and Newcastle just want their own cartel to rule
Because these rules don’t stop clubs from going bust or into financial difficulty like they’re supposed to do, they keep the established bigger clubs at the top. Are Newcastles trillion dollar ownership at risk of financial issues? I don’t think so.
The cartel existed before city and Newcastle had any opportunity. All of this has come about because of that. City got through the door before they could bring it in to effect. But that’s exactly why Newcastle and villa can’t follow suit.
Tell me which team in red you support?
@@leighhudson9279true hence that many charges and an independent panel sharpening their knives currently with a wealth of breaches
“90% of all revenue goes to 20 clubs”. So it effin should, they are the clubs who actually generate the revenue ffs. So don’t tell me we have to give the lower clubs more money else the player pool will run dry….. cos all I’ll tell you is boll*x.
He’s right about how revenue is distributed. It’s destroying football as a competitive sport. Compare who’s won the Premier League since 2000s with decades like 60s, 70s, 80s when clubs like Burnley, Derby, Forest, Ipswich etc could get promoted and quickly challenge for the title on the basis of good management.
In the 1970's there were 5 different League champions. In the 2010's there were 5 different League Champions.
Can't wait for Newcastle to FINALLY be allowed to spend big
As a Newcastle fan, it’ll never happen, sadly.
Sorry to say city ruined by overstepping the mark and will get charged soon 💯
BNP NOW
Clubs will say...Who creates such vast revenue for the league and its clubs and the wider economy? The people 😂
It's time for a FAIR DEAL.
No1 WAGES.
No2 WAGES.
No3 WAGES.
No4 PRICES.
No5 PRICES.
That'll do.
Has to come from uefa and fifa though...wage cap (including reducing wages as of now) in the Premier league will send players to Spain and Italy. FIFA are all about greed though...Good luck with that.
The confrontational attitude is solely the responsibility of Man City.
The PL represents the democratic vote of the clubs and is doing so against one belligerent.
@Launchedparsnips Seems like a completely logical unemotional response.
Is there anything else you want to tell us about yourself?
So you agree that illegal rules ? Because it suits you
@@GaryMills-ku3rv No. I didn't say that.
The illegal rule needs to be made legal with a vote.
Why is Man City still demanding they be in charge of an autocracy?
@yt.personal.identification because the new rules aren't legal
@@yt.personal.identificationget that 95% plastic social media following club out they are an embarrassment
The premier league will look like a clown college by the end of this, even more than they already do.