Pete Townshend | Broken Record
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2023
- Pete Townshend, the legendary guitarist and songwriter for The Who, is one of the most decorated rock stars alive. He’s been inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame, received Kennedy Center Honors, and lifetime-achievement awards from both the Brit Awards and the Grammys. Pete's iconic power chord-guitar style and early use of synthesizers established him as a musical innovator in the '60s and '70s.
After a string of chart-topping singles in the early '60s, Pete set to work writing the first-ever rock opera, a project that became the double album Tommy. Tommy is widely recognized as The Who’s breakout record, and is considered a masterpiece by many critics.
Following its release, Pete started writing songs and a script for a sci-fi epic called Life House. After that project was scrapped, the songs wound up on different releases from the band over the next decade including their 1971 classic, Who’s Next.
Last month The Who released an epic box set called Who's Next/Life House that contains 155 tracks, 89 of which are unreleased. The set also includes a graphic novel, unheard demos, complete live concerts, posters and collectable pins.
On today’s episode Justin Richmond talks to Pete Townshend about how some of the ill-fated effects of technology that he predicted on Life House have come to pass. Pete also explains why he decided to target a specifically male audience when writing music for The Who. And he gives an unexpected take on the Grateful Dead and San Francisco’s music scene in the '60s.
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Pete is a genius and the Who is the greatest live band ever
Tottaly 100%true genius with out know doubts 100%all the way
I SeCoNd that motion!
Gotta love Pete for not just writing some of the greatest rock songs of all time but also for being an exceptionally insightful and articulate storyteller!
you know who tells great story? Randy Bachman
Didn't mention research caught as peado up thare with Garry glitter cliff Richard. A career died million mansion
P E D O P E T E
I was at a concert in Chicago to United Center several years ago second row dead center. During a break between songs, I yelled out north country girl, he heard me, looked at me and smiled. His solo stuff is absolutely beautiful.
I'd be honored if some P.T. & Who fans would give a quick listen to my acoustic piano & vocal YT performances of SLIT SKIRTS and A LITTLE IS ENOUGH in tribute to the master of lyricism & composition. Live acoustic with no autotune or digital enhancements. Peace and stay safe.
pete wrote great stuff ... i'm so addicted to the Who
Greatest live band ever.
#Keith and #John are #Grateful to be #Dead. Pete and Roger forgot to die before getting #OLD. Who can shave the Queen?
amen and amen...BEST ROCK BAND EVER...I love Keith but even he would concede to Pete, and Roger is just as good as Mick...drummers? Charlie was good...but not in Keith Moon's universe...and name a Bass player...who did what OX did? no one...I saw them live..
1970 isle if wight festival video is the best live performance I have ever seen live or video.
@@davesmithwick8012 I think the Leeds '70 show was them really at the first peak.
Townshend is always, without fail, good value.
Pete has always been in my top five. You can tell he has a temper and he is nobody’s fool. Would not want to be on his bad side. A genius for sure. He is like McCartney as far as writing music. Who can write like that? I love you Pete. Thank you…
I always love listening to interviews with Pete because listening to him is like listening to a story. His stories of dynamics of the band are so great to hear. Long Live Rock!
Its not an overstatement to say that Pete has greatly impacted my life. He is the greatest OVERALL pop/rock songwriter/musician of the rock era.
He also helped to impact the lives of countless children. But not in a good way.
Ah, yes… Pete, the great Crosby, Stills, Nash & YOUNG. Ohio was his song. As always, Townshend never phones an interview in, and he’s always so insightful and engaging. Love the bloke!
Great interview! A rock icon , genius. He and roger have given back to so many charitable causes dear to my heart. The greatest live concert I ever attended was the Who
Effing love you, Pete!!! 💜💜💜 I've been a fangirl since the beginning in the 60s!
The best townshend interview I have ever heard! Lots of new topics and insights. Wish it could have been 3-4 hours long!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw him every year. He played solo at the House of blues in Chicago for Maryville Academy. Who ended up playing the House of blues twice in Chicago and I saw both shows. One with Entwhistle, and one after he died. The 80 shows I’ve seen of The Who and Pete Townsend that had to be the greatest I’ve ever seen.
Great interview! Pete is always fascinating. The only downside of listening to him is that you always want to hear a lot more.
Yes!!! 3-4 hours
Interesting to hear how Pete liked doing interviews about the band back in the day partially because he got a lot of positive feedback from journalists. He became very thorough and loquacious when interacting with the music press and I think that really helped the concepts behind albums like Quadrophenia get across.
" Are you a Mod or a Rocker"?
Ringo : " I'm a Mocker"
So I'm sitting here and having a chuckle listening to Pete, and remembering witnessing them play live twice, and by witness I mean being pelted by Maximum R & B...Ha! They were a tour de force, and yes, They Were Very Loud! And I still stand by my assessment that Live at Leeds is the best live recording by a band.
And Pete... I still love ya, you Ole Bastard.
Saw them at the Oakland stadium with the Dead opening. My jaw dropped on their first song. MOON blew me away as did they all. Energy all the way through. Thanks Pete!
What a way to go for John E, I pray I go out like that! 🎉
The two people in rock music I admire the most are Pete Townshend and Jerry Garcia. They wrote, were guitar virtuosos, great singers, and innovators.
Admire Pedo Pete????
pete's quadrophenia shone a much needed spotlight on the societally stiffled issue of mental health. gave it the showcase it needed to be considered more carefully not just by policymakers but in the hearts and minds of his audience. bold, defiant and emotive has always been the work of townshend.
Wow! What a super interesting and engaging conversation with Pete! Pete always brings something new to each interview. And of course, you did a great job of interviewing Pete as well!🎶💯👍
An exceptional interview. Pete focuses on other performers and groups more than any other Townsend interview l have heard. Enjoyable and informative beginning to end. Didn’t know he was a fan of GreatfulmDead and Jerry Garcia. Upbeat and sober interview. Rick Rubin you really got Pete to open up. XLT.
It wasn't Rick interviewing him.
rock audiences were pretty much 70% guys 30% girls, anyway. but Pete's music, when it's understood by a woman, is very appealing to them .the OMAHA INTROVERT is a site mostly about collecting vinyl LP's, but it's hosted by a lovely woman named Hanna, who adores Pete's music, more than anyone's. I concur, especially when it comes to QUADROPHENIA.
Nice to hear something new.
I have listened to so many townshend interviews, and this one was refreshing, and the interviewer actually elaborated!!! And understood instead of... next question!
Nice work dude
Such a great interview.
Working in a record store in the 70's and 80's I never saw any women buy any of The Who records. Glad to hear Pete mention this.
I bought all The Who LPs and Pete’s solos and I’m a female Actually a who freak👍😎❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️😁
I love Pete, thanks for this great interview Justin
Loved the interview Rick.
Incredible perspectives from Pete on so many different subjects. Wow just a fantastic conversation through and through
One of the best who ever lived. Period. Full stop.
Very well done, thanks for your work on this interview!
Great interview
wonderful interview
brilliant perspective
pete is always accessible, great story telling, making names come alive and relatable.
fascinating interview, so wide-ranging and off-the-cuff!
Thanx ... 💓 it!
So much wisdom here
I was a fan before I saw them for the first time in 1967. I never get tried of them.
I remember when PT did an interview which was eventually included in paperbacks, 'Rolling Stone' the interviews, around '68, the time when he was already into the deaf, dumb, and blind boy idea, trying to explain it ,where he puts down the GRATEFUL DEAD, when they're brought up. before he apparently got 'hip' to them. one thing about Pete is he can put aside old attitudes, and be open to things. like, the Abbie Hoffman incident at Woodstock. he's explained plenty of times that it wasn't the content of what Abbie tried to say, but the way he did it. he agrees that John Sinclair was screwed. nobody before or since, tried to interrupt a WHO show.
just the fireman at the fillmore a few years later, kicked him in balls i recall.
@@guybaker7162 excellent point, Guy. I spoke before really thinking. the Fire Marshal who was only trying to alert everyone to clear out, due to the building next door being on fire..Pete lived to regret that, in court, on the way to court, and home to London, after court, in NY. the guy was there in an offical capacity. PT got off easy, as you can't just kick anyone, w/ out thinking. but my Dad was a local Firefighter ,and I remember in '76, going home and telling him that someone at Boston Garden had the balls to set a row of wooden folding chairs on fire, before a WHO show. I think it was the same nite Moon passed out, loaded. so, Firefighters are people I hold in high regard. sitting in the balcony, while local idiots set fire to wood,...well that fire can't be put out soon enough. MERRY CHRISTMAS/HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
Pete was so ahead of his time. He had the idea of the Matrix way back then with Life House
Small correction: Pino Palladino is not on The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, but on other crucial albums of that period, especially D'Angelo's Voodoo and Erykah Badu's Mama's Gun.
Him moving comfortable between The Who and Soul, Funk and Hip Hop stars, proves what an amazing bass player he is.
I love Pete. Ive been a WHO fan for 45 years now. Fantastic interview. One thing I never understood is how someone with such a talent and music sensibility could like and support rap music. I know Pete gets the rebellion side of it, but it boggles the mind he actually hears some sort of quality in what is comparatively to rock music - garbage. I know music is subjective and Im no where near as intelligent as Pete and Im not a hater. I just cant understand it. It's like a gifted heart surgeon who thinks someone who puts a bandaid on a cut is somehow a genius.
Didn't hear Quadrophenia mentioned, huh. Thanks for the interview.
It's a common misconception about The Band, but Big Pink wasn't recorded at the house it's named for. It was done at A&R which was one of NYC's prominent recording studios. Only the Basement Tapes was actually recorded by them in the house.
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He left me to meher baba. Avatar of our age
.tommy is about silent master baba !
Pete kept me confident .
supported me in curing my spine and hence staying alive in Gods Love rather than in fear
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Next I has to be about his fanatasti solo career! Almost better than the WHO material and he is a beautiful vocalist
I named my champion blood dog Pete.
I suppose that was about the most direct and unambiguous way to describe John Entwistle's death 🤔
Great interview. Pete was thinking of Shostakovich being persecuted by Stalin, not Schoenberg.
more Saints Go Marching In Pete
Pete’s very optimistic on AI. Doesn’t consider fake communication that manipulates politically, which is what Noah Yuval Harari talks about.
Pete is definitely one of the best interviews in the music biz... I'd be honored if some P.T. & Who fans would give a quick listen to my acoustic piano & vocal YT performances of SLIT SKIRTS and A LITTLE IS ENOUGH in tribute to the master of lyricism & composition. Live acoustic with no autotune or digital enhancements. Peace and stay safe.
Where is the part about the grateful dead
Rick Rubin skips the ones with artists he doesn't care about. Surprised, but I guess not really, that he delegated Pete to Justin.
I doubt that Rick, being the music lover and historian he is, doesn't care for such a crucial figure in the history of Rock and popular music.
Yeah, he pawned off that obscure bar band nobody Pete Townshend on someone else to interview. Lol, I'm laughing with you not at you. Chucklehead.
I became a Who/Pete fan when my cousins took me to see Tommy..I got my first boner watching Tina Turner and I told my mom I want that album and she got me the Who’s Tommy..and I heard Pete as Acid Queen..been a fan of In The Attic and he sent me an old Who Satchel which I have stored away..he sent me a beautiful comment on my new Gretsch and told me about the volume pedal..my life was and is complete..I’ve been a quadropheniac for 45 years
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Although, at 51, I’m several years younger than mr. Townsend, I totally get his personal history (as far as we know it) and his vast music catalogue.
Parents did not get any better after the war. My ‘post War’ just started in the mid eighties. You get what I mean?
His work deepened me understanding myself en for a large part formed me as a musician first and than as a person.
The most important therapeutic advise I ever got was: ‘You’re in love with music; listen to The Who. Listen very close.’
The hits, but very much more Tommy (as a whole, in the 1989 ‘Join Together’ live version) and Quadrophenia gave me a lot of understanding me, together with beautiful music and musicianship.
For me it was The Who and Queen when I was in puberty.
Than came bands like Pearl Jam and Radiohead... They took over.
Now, several Lifehouse songs became available. Shear beauty.
There’s no two Townsends! Perhaps Marvin Gaye and Radiohead come close. Some songs U2, maybe? Queen? For me all a big yes!
Townsend? We’re just starting to get him, a little.
Great humanoïd!
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A musician I forget about! I guess he has kept it low key since the Who
As a female Who fan of 5 decades -- crikey I'm old -- I find myself resenting Pete's statement that female fans aren't "loyal enough'.
King Crimson had the same theory. In the famous Berkeley show, Adrian Belew introduced the show by saying, "And now, an evening of music for boys."
i resent him for the child porn he downloaded on his credit card and got caught by the uk police, expensive .
Guitarist Townshend, 67, was cautioned by police and put on the sex offenders' register for five years in 2003 after he used his credit card to pay to enter a website advertising child porn 'to see what was there'.
@@Lonely_Goat None of that is true. Pete is very transparent about what happened in his biography.
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I take it you've never watched the operation ore documentary... where townshend admits his guilt
@@GeorgieFlintlock @GeorgieFlintlock I take it you've never read Pete's autobiography, where he states that despite seizing and searching all his properties and possessions, the authorities found one photo of 2 children, both of whom were his own.
Wonderful interview with a wonderful musician ❤
You probably didn't listen to the whole interview but if you had, you would have heard that Pete was abused when he was a kid. That doesn't excuse anything, but it's a common theme that sometimes causes that kind of behavior.
He was never abused though.
Find me an interview where he clarifies he was.
It's a concept he routinely plays with, to justify what he did.
Does Rick know the level of censorship that is being applied to the comments on this podcast?
Stravinsky had left Russia already before the bolshevik revolution. By "Schönberg" Townshend must mean Shostakovich.
Those moving bars are distracting.
pretty much the same since about Live gb Leeds..
Smashing up those nice guitars was totally Stupid.
Yet how many hundreds of bands copied it, from Jimi Hendrix to The Clash, Nirvana, the list is too long to cite. Townshend is a creative genius. Fact.
The Who is a Pete Townshend cover band.
Je n'ai jamais vu les choses sous cet angle mais vous avez raison.😊 Mais alors, quel génial cover band !!! 👍👍👍
@@hoelt Oui, c'est vraiment un super groupe de reprises.
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4 best rock lyricists ever in no particular order: Townshend, Waters, Young (Neil) and Dylan. If a song writer was going to win the Nobel in literature, it should have been either Townshend, Waters or Neil Young, with a slight edge to Roger Waters imho.
Nice. Hard to disagree with that list. Those four are my favorites.
Waters once said in an interview, "I'm one of the five greatest rock lyricists." The interviewer took the bait: "Who are the other four?" Waters replied: "John Lennon."
I'm sorry townshend has the
lyrical skills of someone more suited to amateur musicals.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 Well we are going to have to disagree on that.
"Behind Blue Eyes", "Won't Get Fooled Again" say otherwise.@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504
I wonder if Pete meant Prokofiev instead of Schoenberg? Schoenberg ended up teaching at UCLA. Or maybe he meant Shostakovich?
I’m sure he meant Shostakovich.
The Dead only used the Wall of Sound for one tour because it was too expensive to mount.
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does he get into 'operation ore' on here?
Neil Young wrote and recorded “Ohio” with Crosby, Stills & Nash. It’s Neil’s song. Unfortunate that Pete didn’t recognize or acknowledge that.
Why is that unfortunate?
Terrible graphic - obnoxious
Aman up thare with Garry glitter still leaflets from florida Superbowl 5 thousand people can't be wrong.lost London now o.be mbe waiting old skool peado
Pete Townsend wasn't he arrested sometime ago ..!!
Yeah, do the research.
No video? This is lame.
Unless you're a blind person
Should’ve asked Pete for his favorite website.
OMG if he was any more full of himself, he'd explode.....
That's what it takes to lead a super-group. Roger Waters is far, far worse, and has lost it completely, actually.
Self absorbed boomers innit?
With the body of work he has given to the world he has every right to be full of himself, and actually if you met the man and knew him as a person you’d realize the he, himself has discussed publicly and in songs, such as However Much I Booze and liner notes from Quadrophenia, where he claims to be a hypocrite. Despite what you feel is his arrogance and belligerence is only part of the character that makes him the best man on this planet and if you don’t realize that I feel sorry for you. A genius has the right.
So, we are just going to pretend this guy isn't a chomo? Hollywood is so damn twisted.
@@adamsapple7193 Didn't know you could live and work in a language. Music industry is cut from the same cloth, ya twat
@@adamsapple7193 lol "He lives and works in English". Derp.
What does Townshend or this interview have to do with "Hollywood?" How is whatever narrative you're flogging about Townshend involve "Hollywood?"
You poor, misguided, and misinformed individual. We don’t have to pretend, he was cleared and it is well known that he was falsely accused.
@@elizabethandersen4511
You never watched the operation ore documentary on youtube then?
“For research” sure buddy
Yeah! When’s that book/film he’s been working on coming out?
What time does he talk about it?
@@Gcssdvnkloiutesci dunno. I didnt listen
@@Ottophil Oh good. So you're just here for kicks huh asshole??
Fun fact: Pete's favourite chord is A MINOR.
Pete's favourite chord = A MINOR
He also like sus4 chords
If you really seriously did believe that Pete was a pedophile and your concern was for the children, that joke wouldn’t be so funny now would it? Maybe you should take a good look at yourself before you accuse others.
@@hdjorf Wasn't making a joke. Pete was famous for playing sus4 chords. There was no hidden joke of message in my comment. If you knew music and Townshend guitar playing you'd know I was stating a fact. Maybe you should have replied to the A minor comment, not mine. By-the-way, Townshend did use the Am chord in a number of his songs. I'm sure he wasn't thinking child porn when he did.
I know. But my reply wasn't to you but to "pleasepermitmetospeak", and his comment was not about Townshend's music.@@Peter7966
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Or any sus chords for that matter.
So defensive! The only reason he was not in possession of “a single illicit image” is because his credit card didn’t go through. Maybe you should just “get over” your hero worship.
Now THERE'S an interesting fabrication, from someone who likely can't get a credit card. Just imagine what Pete's limit is on his cards...
@@4orrcountry It’s not about “a limit on his cards”. You seem determined to miss the point. Rather, he was flagged by the police for using his card to access child porn. And that’s not “fabrication”, the courts convicted him. Sounds like you have a bad case of hero worship. Sure, Townsend is a great musician, when he’s not searching child porn.
NO- My God you people are SO uninformed!
He was trying to expose the credit card companies who took money from people who wanted access. The SECOND he did it, he disengaged but it was too late. He immediately rang up his lawyer.
The police confiscated no less than TWELVE computers between his home and his offices.
After a massive search all they found on his computers was MUSIC. If you did your homework you’d know that when a REAL pedophile is exposed; they literally have hundreds of photos on their PC.
The sad thing is that people hear this about Pete, yer have no idea of the time and money he has put out for the victims of this atrocity.
Imagine an innocent philanthropist being accused of something he was not only a victim of but who lost friends who took their own lives
He ABHORRED this and woke up as the poster boy for it. He nearly took his own life. Would that have made you feel better?
ALL of you accusers should know the HELL this beautiful man went through. I hope YOU are never accused of something you are innocent of because yobs like you will assume it’s true and like Pete, you’ll have to deal with it for the rest of your life.
God Bless Pete Townshend. 🌿
@@elizabethandersen4511
The credit card excuse was the second hastily put together alibi to try to ease the damage limitation with his fans. The first excuse was 'research', for a book that never materialised.
Another point worth noting is he was given notice by the police that he was to be arrested and his equipment seized.
Thirdly it is a common tactic for paedos to donate to children's charities as a gaslighting technique. Look at Jimmy Saville for instance.
There are so many holes in your defence of him I suggest you watch the operation ore documentary, as Townshend himself explains the bad things he done.
I thought better of you, Rick Rubin. This man belongs behind bars.
B.S proven innocent not charged !
@@howiewarhurst1058 You are a fool if you think money and power won't get someone out of being held accountable. Case in point - Prince Andrew.
He accepted a caution which is an admission of guilt
whoever runs this channel keeps deleting all the negative comments on this ick
Rick didn't conduct the interview.
A bit too heady and phillisophical for me. Maybe that makes sense. But also boring.
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