Being a public figure on the internet, you kinda have to expect people to kinda just make up lies about you. Not saying its right, but its the nature of being in the public eye. Not adjusting well to this is how lolcows are born.
My wife has a small TikTok account and even her gets hate comments. People create multiple accounts to avoid bans and keep hating on her. They even create accounts impersonating her and comment shit on her friends' streams trying to stir up drama. It's crazy!
@@kevinnio Must be a sad existence that the only thing you can get any pleasure or satisfaction out of in life is being as big of a nuisance as you possibly can to other people, on or offline doesn't matter, because you'll see both types everywhere. What happened to having hobbies?
Since about 2018 much of the internet has been moderated into being a "positive vibes only" sounding room where any bit of disagreement or negativity resulted in removal and branding. So you can imagine their horror when someone like Kirsche holds one of their public posts up to the camera and asks "Ayo chat, isn't this a little weird?"
The hogwarts thing with silvervale is the first time I had ever heard about tubers. I immediately watched her to see who she was and I've been a fan every since. Then I found you and Pippa. Overall I'd say it backfired for the haters.😂😂😂
@@MonicAchannel22 So you don't know the person you're replying to exists? And they're so unimportant that you're trying to put them down? 😆 You weren't accused of being smart, huh?
I gained so much respect for Silvervale for her actually standing up to the mob during the Hogwarts debacle. Creators may desire as much as they want to cultivate a happy, positive escape for viewers, but Silvervale showed how a shepherd's job is to not only cultivate the flock, but at times fend off the wolves.
As E:R once said, "I'll be delighted to be your boogeyman." These people are going to hate you and lie about you regardless, so might as well enjoy being the reason why they lose sleep, and as a bonus, make content about them. Keep exposing their bullshit.
1:55 the person in the bottom post "I would really like it if you just admitted youre as evil as I believe you to be but since you keep doing things which dont prove i'm right in my assumptions it's starting to piss me off."
The instant you capitulate to the terminally-online after they beat you again and again to wear you down, they rip you apart and feel smugly self-righteous about it. So many words, terms and descriptors have lost all meaning due to how flippantly these mentally-ill zealots throw them around like it's a get of of dialogue/responsibility/consequences free card. I'm glad people are telling them to go kick rocks.
I don't know or care too much about politics. I just like to see regular people applying critical thinking skills and giving reasonable takes that aren't tainted by some ideological groupthink.
The issue nowadays is that politics is getting quite serious, enough that you can't simply ignore them if you are of voting age... Otherwise you end up with like what happens with Canada and 9 years of a PM that wrecks your country.
As much as I’m glad Silver didn’t cave, I will say the hate she got for Hogwarts legacy was karma for the shit she, Ironmouse, Hime, Zen, and Melody did to Nux. Yes, Nux is a POS but he was innocent during that whole shit show with the fake Vshoujo employee scammer. That company can not be trusted and they really got off easy after all that. Asmond has been skating by a fucked up drama that he didn’t get enough hate for, hell he didn’t get any backlash at all. This guy justified Pokimane sending her fans to attack Itsagundam and go after his sponsors just because he called her fans simps! Then there’s good guy Asmond gold justifying it all. Just memory hole!
"And the world will be your enemy, prince with a thousand enemies, and when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you." -Watership Down.
Kinda unavoidable given quite a fair share of her content is commentary on social issues and politics. If the squeaky clean Hololive girls still have their antis, what more a vtuber who gets into the kind of cesspit that a lot of other streamers do? Does she deserve the hate? Of course not. Nobody does, frankly. Even folks with weird takes. But there's no getting away from the fact that this stuff is always gonna be heated and contentious.
I swear, people go after others for the stupidest reasons nowadays, and the most ridiculous thing is they're serious, it's not even just trolling campaigns like with the 4chins back in the day. And it's pretty much always the usual suspects invading everywhere and trying to police people's entertainment. Can relate to the whole "need to correct", got into plenty of internet debates and verbal shit-slinging contests on the internet before i learned to manage that...to some degree anyway. At times like these i'm glad i'm not a content creator, dealing with all that probably sucks, not to mention the whole mental toll thing.
And the dumbest thing is that they go searching and looking for reasons to hate on people. They’ll just make up stuff if they can’t find anything either. They 100% create problems for themselves to insert some excuse to hate on other people
Tim Pool has gone to the MAGA side to much thus why people think he isn't a centrist. Now is he a centrist? idk i never watched his content outside of the clips taken by the RUclips news to say he is or isn't' on their side.
There are no centrists. Centrist imply disagreeing with both left and right in equal measure, but that's not possible. Tim is better described as a left-leaning classical liberal.
@@kevinnio Centrists do tend to lean slightly in one direction or the other, it is impossible not to. You can hold a handful of left wing or right wing views while disagreeing with both sides on different issues, it is just called thinking for yourself rather than being tribalististic.
@@yumri4 He's a "moderate" who is pandering to conservatives. He's actually fairly liberal on a lot of issues, but he mostly covers topics conservatives are interested in.
Tim has a side. Profiting via pandering to everyone. He's the type of dude who sold Hilary for President bumper stickers, I'm With Bernie bumper stickers, and MAGA hats in 2016.
"You are all wrong." -Man, standing in front of the horde. Honestly, I'm the type of person who would have been relishing in the reaction that Kirche's Papers, Please stream got. I would swing a weeks worth of content either playing games with similar mechanics. That, or play games the vocal ones like, while praising it. These type of people automatically hate the thongs we like. So, make them hate the things they enjoy, by finding the joy in it yourself.
I've always had faith in what I like to call the self evident thing. If people are too lazy to do any level of basic research on allegations. Their opinions don't matter because they're working with allegation and no confirmed facts. Now if everyone practiced this. No one would ever give these idiots a platform. They would go off into obscurity and nothing will happen. Because all parties that can be taken seriously are all working with confirmed facts and sharing information and shifting stances and opinions as fits their beliefs and reality. But for the most part people will WAIT and fence sit and investigate before coming to any kind of conclusion. And exposed liars would be the ones cancelled not the alleged/slandered.
Its a quantity over quality thing with these people though and that's the problem. I agree that you don't research things you should not even interact but that doesn't seem to be the way things work.
That's all well and good unless the facts are being censored as hate speech or misinformation by the state or megacorporations and what's being fed to the masses is propaganda. The CDC just updated their guidelines on the coof and it doesn't have any of the fearporn we heard for years from the MSM. It basicly says treat it the same as the Flu. Never let a crisis go to waste right.
I'm reminded of a couple of examples that actually did change, and did complete 180s to what they had been known for: Malcolm X, and former Governor of Arkansas George Wallace. Malcolm X was an avowed black supremacist that was also Muslim. He changed his views after realizing Dr. Martin Luther King was right -- and said as much in interviews before his death. Governor George Wallace was racist at a time in the South when racism was not nearly as scorned as it is now. He was the governor, who, in the 1950s, rejected the Supreme Court ruling in Brown v Board of Education and would not allow the "Little Rock Nine" to be integrated into an all-white school. George Wallace even blocked the doors to the school as the National Guard escorted those children into the school. Later, George Wallace realized what he believed was wrong, and attended a black Arkansas Southern Baptist church until his death. He was later recorded as saying, "I was wrong for what I believed" in an interview. The point is, people who make up lies and hate for no reason, can change. I just pointed out two famous examples of that happening. But at the same time, it, like addiction, alcoholism, or any other mental illness or struggle, will only change when people who suffer from hate and lie about people want to change. The second part is that people who do those things have to be genuine and sincere when they do change. Otherwise, it shows even more their true colors, and at the same time, destroys trust. The problem we have is that way too many people believe things that just aren't so. And as a result, lose whatever tenuous grasp on reality they may have had at one time.
0:40 I remember a friend in college showing me a version of the political scale thing that looked like a cube. And despite that being mildly funny (it's poles were something like conservative, liberal, communist, libertarian, something like that), I do think it's more accurate than the right-left thing. It seems like most people are neither.
im late to this but kirsche is the epitome of "you cannot do to me what i have already done to myself." especially considering her upbringing. shes made of steel and gold
@@Knight-Bishop ew fake fan. You don't know. Also, get better at reading comprehension. I said she's getting the shoeonhead treatment, not that her situation and actions are exactly like hers.
@@rndmcreater I thought the folks here could take a joke. Y'all are unironically sounding as sensitive as the people you're complaining about all over this comments section. 🤣
Those people don't live in the real world. If they did experience the world, they'd learn some things about the stuff they claim to "know". They don't know actual discrimination, just their own definition of things.
I actually follow them on RUclips and this is the first time I’ve seen them act like this with really flimsy evidence cause usually there arguments are pretty rock solid
A point about Silvervale standing up against the Twitter brainrot during the Hogwart's Legacy debacle; It kinda bugged me that even when she was calling out Twitter idiots and standing up for herself, she still had to be vague and virtue signal that she was LGBT friendly. Yes, it's a very vocal minority of an overall movement but most of the harassment was from LGBT or Pro LGBT people and she's was still trying to play nice with people who had their boots squarely on her back. Personally I think she shouldn't have said anything except screw the twitter idiots and went on with her day.
@@dibberz-v1z To specify further, the LGBT movement is a minority of the LGBT community that those not part of the 'movement' have pretty rapidly grown to dislke/hate, depending on how 'aware' they are of the extent of the movement's ideology and extremist acts.
Remember that Silvervale was part of the hate mob that bullied Nux. Her problem was that people who she associated with politically attacked her for not adhering to the "new doctrine" properly.
If they can't get you to bend the knee, they will try everything they can to socially destroy you. They are every bit the Austrian Painter they accuse everyone else of being.
@@ZachX888 One is more famous than the rest. So famous I'm sure you've heard of him. Hint: he's known more for his cooking skills than his art. _I still don't know how he baked so many cookies._
It's hardly a battle of Right vs Left vs Center now. It's devolved into a battle of Lunacy vs Common sense. The fact that they're witch-hunting kirsche for speaking common sense will never cease to amaze me.
I appreciate that Kirsche has embraced the Jiggle Physics on this model. Makes it enjoyable to watch. As for the abuse, it's garbage and shouldn't happen but we are living in 2024 and people suck.
I'm glad Silver had a somewhat positive outcome. As someone who is on the side of a loss that got me thrown out of a community due to slander, character assassination, and twisting of the truth I'm glad to hear someone was able to beat the system, as it were.
13:40 Waiting for the day someone that person likes ends up getting blacklisted from a convention then maybe they'll suddenly start caring about people being banned for "controversial views."
I never even watched Pikamee or SilverVale, but seeing them get attacked for simply liking a game set in the Harry Potter universe pissed me off back then. I'm glad Silvervale stood her ground and told the haters to shove it, but I won't forgive what they did to Pikamee over a series that the leftists used to love and praise at every turn.
I watched Pikamee often and Silvervale only watched a few times but she never struck me as a hateful person. She seemed extremely "inclusive" which was wild because part of the crowd she was open to were the same ones that turned on her.
@@AzeharaCh Silver was one of the people involved in trying to cancel some dude named Nux over him outing some scammers. I had a hard time finding sympathy for her when the same cancel crowd came after her.
You are an independent free thinker. And as a fellow free thinker, just know that your very existence scares the shit out of the establishment, conformists, non-conformists, and everyone in between.
What is crazy is GOD FORBID someone have different think then you. GODFORBID you can still have a normal conversation with them. people that are 100000000000% online need help. Id love to start streaming but I see shit like this and I am like nah NOT WORTH!
My exact fear with my series is exactly this because they are the very dangerous elements they claim to be railing against. People who have no value for human life and would absolutely become dictators if given an ounce of power.
the hard truth about fame is that no matter what you do there will always be someone out there that hates you for simply existing. no point in trying appease them
Technically speaking, yes. However - it can be said to be proof of malintent, at least, if the accusers say "You're just talking about a baseless conspiracy theory" in order to discredit your valid arguments against the theory (regardless if what you're arguing against is real or false), and then go on to speak about how the theory is actually good. After all, if it being a conspiracy theory alone is enough reason not to argue against it, it must also be enough reason not to argue for it.
Ignoring the harassers may sound altruistic and wholesome, but in practice it's a mistake waiting to happen; especially now with how powerful and accessible editing ai has become, sure it's silly to see past presidents playing video games, but it can just as easily be used to put words in your mouth. However I also agree you shouldn't apologize when you have sensible hate, the masses just tend towards the ignorance is bliss mentality despite willingly overlooking the consequences. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.
Ah I felt that part about the Aut need to correct people especially if they misrepresent me personally bit in my soul. It's why I hate kafkaesque traps so much, it preys on that compulsion.
@@rampantsarcasm2220 Kafka's trap or Kafkaesque trap is something where denial is treated as a sign of guilt, it's a particularly vindictive form of a catch 22.
@@rampantsarcasm2220 The kind of trap found in Thailand ;D Actually though, a kafka trap is, as far as I understand it, when your denial of an accusation is taken as proof that the accusation is true - as in the easily understood case of "'I'm not a witch' is what a witch would say." It's a bad argument because it doesn't actually care for or help determine the truth - in this case, "I'm not a witch" is also what someone who's not a witch would say.
@@AzeharaCh I remember when I tried an AC game once (Got it for free off Epic, it was the London one) and it opened up with "Made by a wide diversity of people" or some shit and I just rolled my eyes. Man, the gameplay and plot was so fucking basic it shouldn't have been a surprise given that intro text.
Why would you be weird for noticing her milkshakes when they're right there? I think Kirsche mentioned she wanted them prominent, but someone with a better memory than mine correct me if I'm wrong.
Armored Armadillo's stage theme. I'll always recognize that one! It's literally the best one! And one of the best MMX stages of all time for that matter. It's where you get the Hadoken! And fight the original Mega Man Bat enemy that always drops extra lives!
@okairo honestly, I don't watch her very often. She's just kinda gross to me. Don't find her cute at all. She also acts in a way that just annoys tf outta me.
Wait, Bionicle writer? Which one? I am aware of two, one I can see, the other I hope is not the case. Is this the writer of Masks of power or is it the writer of Bionicle Revised?
Masks of power. Ugh..... I so need to make my own bionicle game. Almost got banned from that server because told a dude in a dress to not insert his ideology into bionicle. Ew.. The grossest thing I ever saw was him saying "trans goals" to Roodaka.
Mikeneko/Rushia also was hated for made-up things. I say if she is guilty of a crime, report her. And when she is not charged with anything, then haters were spreading lies.
@@Elbon-the-Lolinator Fair enough. Nothing has been proven legally true. However, I’m pretty damn sure that both parties made statements confirmed certain rumors.
Social media has convinced normies that they MUST assert some kind of position on every single topic IMMEDIATELY, regardless of whether or not they actually KNOW enough to have a firm position. It reminds me of what Denzel Washington once said about the news media when an interviewer tried pressing for a take on the "Fake news" trend: "If you DON'T read the newspaper, you're UNinformed. If you DO read it, you're MISinformed." We ironically live in a period where there should be no shortage of information nor access to it, yet the average person will almost unequivocally fail to perform even the most cursory level of research before they rush to assert their uninformed opinions as truth. And as a result, we see the world constantly flooded in "truth" without honesty... and that the Patriot AI may have had a point.
Lead writer says on there twitter plus I think they where already done writing at this point cause they’re focusing on RUclips now. Also from what I’ve seen this is the first time they heard about her
I know it's just speculation but I think just the lack of support might be the reason why pickamee and silvervail both left their organizations and became Independence
@@jacobcordova3825 Bro, that's a Gundam flag. Your inability to do a basic reverse image search and calling him a Yahtzee because of it says more about you than it does about him.
@@the1necromancer Was gonna say, that's the flag of Zeon, I think Neo Zeon specifically. I could be wrong on the exact flag in the UC timeline, but either way, it's not a flag that was flown by germany in the 1940s.
@@the1necromancerNeo Zeon are literally space Nazis. Their leader got compared to Hitler in it's very own show. I am not saying that someone who has that profile pic is a nazi, but the flag is supposed to evoke the image of nazis
Kirsche is becoming the Bill O'Reilly of Vtubers. She has so much integrity and humor that if she comments on something being bad it almost always is. She'll even defend people she personally disagrees with but are being unjustly persecuted.
Being a public figure on the internet, you kinda have to expect people to kinda just make up lies about you. Not saying its right, but its the nature of being in the public eye.
Not adjusting well to this is how lolcows are born.
Yup. People just want someone to hate and they will do, say and believe anything as long as they get the satisfaction of hating you.
My wife has a small TikTok account and even her gets hate comments. People create multiple accounts to avoid bans and keep hating on her. They even create accounts impersonating her and comment shit on her friends' streams trying to stir up drama. It's crazy!
@@kevinnio Must be a sad existence that the only thing you can get any pleasure or satisfaction out of in life is being as big of a nuisance as you possibly can to other people, on or offline doesn't matter, because you'll see both types everywhere. What happened to having hobbies?
@@kevinnioYou don't exist until you have enemies.
Just because she doesn't agree with every position they have doesn't mean she's a grifter.
"Grifter" gets thrown around alot and most of the time people dont even know what it means.
I don't think ketchup foxu needs to worry about character deletion. She didn't build her audience on soft people.
"You're literaly H*tler"
"I don't think I could operate that many ovens"
The amount of layers on this joke is insane... xD
"You can please some people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
And some people are impossible to please because they're just rotten.
Agreed
"I don't even know what I am anymore."
A menace to society
Sometimes it feels like that when the political goalposts keep moving.
Since about 2018 much of the internet has been moderated into being a "positive vibes only" sounding room where any bit of disagreement or negativity resulted in removal and branding. So you can imagine their horror when someone like Kirsche holds one of their public posts up to the camera and asks "Ayo chat, isn't this a little weird?"
"sounding room"
I've had enough Kirsche for a while...
The hogwarts thing with silvervale is the first time I had ever heard about tubers. I immediately watched her to see who she was and I've been a fan every since. Then I found you and Pippa. Overall I'd say it backfired for the haters.😂😂😂
All I have to say is welcome to the vtubing community brother we are glad to have you here
The haters don't even know you exist. You're not that important, lil broski🤣
@MonicAchannel22 doesn't matter to me . I found entertainment I never knew existed and I love it. I'm happy.
@@MonicAchannel22And you're less than important. In fact, leaving the server would be doing the human race a service.
Chop chop!
@@MonicAchannel22 So you don't know the person you're replying to exists? And they're so unimportant that you're trying to put them down? 😆
You weren't accused of being smart, huh?
I legitimately did a spit take when she said "I don't think I could operate that many ovens" after being called Hitler.
she's great
If you have been called far left, communist, and far right, all at the same time, you're probably libertarian.
I gained so much respect for Silvervale for her actually standing up to the mob during the Hogwarts debacle. Creators may desire as much as they want to cultivate a happy, positive escape for viewers, but Silvervale showed how a shepherd's job is to not only cultivate the flock, but at times fend off the wolves.
As E:R once said, "I'll be delighted to be your boogeyman."
These people are going to hate you and lie about you regardless, so might as well enjoy being the reason why they lose sleep, and as a bonus, make content about them. Keep exposing their bullshit.
True
That Papers Please stream was pure kino.
1:55 the person in the bottom post "I would really like it if you just admitted youre as evil as I believe you to be but since you keep doing things which dont prove i'm right in my assumptions it's starting to piss me off."
"I don't even know what I am at this point."
Good. Accepting labels just puts you in a box and jails your thinking. We're more than a direction lol.
The instant you capitulate to the terminally-online after they beat you again and again to wear you down, they rip you apart and feel smugly self-righteous about it. So many words, terms and descriptors have lost all meaning due to how flippantly these mentally-ill zealots throw them around like it's a get of of dialogue/responsibility/consequences free card.
I'm glad people are telling them to go kick rocks.
I'm SO GLAD Kirsche isn't a terminally online Twitter user tbh
Kirsche: *Says something really important.*
Me: "Boooobaaaaa."
I don't know or care too much about politics. I just like to see regular people applying critical thinking skills and giving reasonable takes that aren't tainted by some ideological groupthink.
The issue nowadays is that politics is getting quite serious, enough that you can't simply ignore them if you are of voting age...
Otherwise you end up with like what happens with Canada and 9 years of a PM that wrecks your country.
The "ideological groupthink," as you call it, is literally Marxist politics
As much as I’m glad Silver didn’t cave, I will say the hate she got for Hogwarts legacy was karma for the shit she, Ironmouse, Hime, Zen, and Melody did to Nux. Yes, Nux is a POS but he was innocent during that whole shit show with the fake Vshoujo employee scammer. That company can not be trusted and they really got off easy after all that.
Asmond has been skating by a fucked up drama that he didn’t get enough hate for, hell he didn’t get any backlash at all. This guy justified Pokimane sending her fans to attack Itsagundam and go after his sponsors just because he called her fans simps! Then there’s good guy Asmond gold justifying it all. Just memory hole!
I have to ask - when you say "Asmond", do you mean Asmongold or someone else?
I'm entirely out of the loop here, so I do mean this genuinely.
@@obviouslykaleb7998 Asmongold, yes.
Nux deserved it. Silver didn’t it’s a game vs some serious and fcked up stuff
@@NickN56 Nux didn’t deserve to be attacked back then, he was helping his friends then got thrown under the bus.
@@NickN56 what did nux do vshojo approve the video before he released it and i still think nux is a bad person
A lot of these people would be some sort of dangerous psychopath even without social media. Stalkers and the like.
I wouldn't call it a theory. Its just the consequences of people who want to push down salaries no matter what.
Based BAAAAAAASED
"And the world will be your enemy, prince with a thousand enemies, and when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you." -Watership Down.
Kudos for the Richard Adams reference. Truly a man of culture.
Kinda unavoidable given quite a fair share of her content is commentary on social issues and politics. If the squeaky clean Hololive girls still have their antis, what more a vtuber who gets into the kind of cesspit that a lot of other streamers do? Does she deserve the hate? Of course not. Nobody does, frankly. Even folks with weird takes. But there's no getting away from the fact that this stuff is always gonna be heated and contentious.
Straight forward dark humor? Right on, always appreciate that
I mean, if they're gonna hate you. Might as well get paid for it.
Kirsche is a normal human being, except when it comes to ketchup its there where she gets weird
😳 The reaction face of a first time collaborator when Kirsche shakes The Desk Ketchup. "What kind of stream have I gotten myself into?"
@@andressierra457 a good one
@@yumri4 😂
I swear, people go after others for the stupidest reasons nowadays, and the most ridiculous thing is they're serious, it's not even just trolling campaigns like with the 4chins back in the day. And it's pretty much always the usual suspects invading everywhere and trying to police people's entertainment.
Can relate to the whole "need to correct", got into plenty of internet debates and verbal shit-slinging contests on the internet before i learned to manage that...to some degree anyway. At times like these i'm glad i'm not a content creator, dealing with all that probably sucks, not to mention the whole mental toll thing.
I love how that dude mentioned the whole BROWN thing and it was just her calling eveyrone by their passport color.
And the dumbest thing is that they go searching and looking for reasons to hate on people. They’ll just make up stuff if they can’t find anything either. They 100% create problems for themselves to insert some excuse to hate on other people
What blows my mind is people still think Tim isn't a centrist.
Tim Pool has gone to the MAGA side to much thus why people think he isn't a centrist. Now is he a centrist? idk i never watched his content outside of the clips taken by the RUclips news to say he is or isn't' on their side.
There are no centrists. Centrist imply disagreeing with both left and right in equal measure, but that's not possible. Tim is better described as a left-leaning classical liberal.
@@kevinnio Centrists do tend to lean slightly in one direction or the other, it is impossible not to. You can hold a handful of left wing or right wing views while disagreeing with both sides on different issues, it is just called thinking for yourself rather than being tribalististic.
@@yumri4 He's a "moderate" who is pandering to conservatives. He's actually fairly liberal on a lot of issues, but he mostly covers topics conservatives are interested in.
Tim has a side. Profiting via pandering to everyone. He's the type of dude who sold Hilary for President bumper stickers, I'm With Bernie bumper stickers, and MAGA hats in 2016.
"You are all wrong." -Man, standing in front of the horde.
Honestly, I'm the type of person who would have been relishing in the reaction that Kirche's Papers, Please stream got. I would swing a weeks worth of content either playing games with similar mechanics.
That, or play games the vocal ones like, while praising it. These type of people automatically hate the thongs we like. So, make them hate the things they enjoy, by finding the joy in it yourself.
I've always had faith in what I like to call the self evident thing.
If people are too lazy to do any level of basic research on allegations. Their opinions don't matter because they're working with allegation and no confirmed facts.
Now if everyone practiced this. No one would ever give these idiots a platform. They would go off into obscurity and nothing will happen. Because all parties that can be taken seriously are all working with confirmed facts and sharing information and shifting stances and opinions as fits their beliefs and reality.
But for the most part people will WAIT and fence sit and investigate before coming to any kind of conclusion. And exposed liars would be the ones cancelled not the alleged/slandered.
Its a quantity over quality thing with these people though and that's the problem. I agree that you don't research things you should not even interact but that doesn't seem to be the way things work.
That's all well and good unless the facts are being censored as hate speech or misinformation by the state or megacorporations and what's being fed to the masses is propaganda. The CDC just updated their guidelines on the coof and it doesn't have any of the fearporn we heard for years from the MSM. It basicly says treat it the same as the Flu. Never let a crisis go to waste right.
I'm reminded of a couple of examples that actually did change, and did complete 180s to what they had been known for: Malcolm X, and former Governor of Arkansas George Wallace.
Malcolm X was an avowed black supremacist that was also Muslim. He changed his views after realizing Dr. Martin Luther King was right -- and said as much in interviews before his death.
Governor George Wallace was racist at a time in the South when racism was not nearly as scorned as it is now. He was the governor, who, in the 1950s, rejected the Supreme Court ruling in Brown v Board of Education and would not allow the "Little Rock Nine" to be integrated into an all-white school. George Wallace even blocked the doors to the school as the National Guard escorted those children into the school. Later, George Wallace realized what he believed was wrong, and attended a black Arkansas Southern Baptist church until his death. He was later recorded as saying, "I was wrong for what I believed" in an interview.
The point is, people who make up lies and hate for no reason, can change. I just pointed out two famous examples of that happening. But at the same time, it, like addiction, alcoholism, or any other mental illness or struggle, will only change when people who suffer from hate and lie about people want to change. The second part is that people who do those things have to be genuine and sincere when they do change. Otherwise, it shows even more their true colors, and at the same time, destroys trust.
The problem we have is that way too many people believe things that just aren't so. And as a result, lose whatever tenuous grasp on reality they may have had at one time.
Even the worst of us can change for the better. It's rare, but it does happen, and that fact at least gives me hope...
@@OutsiderAus10 The problem is, there's people who believe no one is able to change. That once you believe something you're doomed to be that person.
0:40 I remember a friend in college showing me a version of the political scale thing that looked like a cube. And despite that being mildly funny (it's poles were something like conservative, liberal, communist, libertarian, something like that), I do think it's more accurate than the right-left thing. It seems like most people are neither.
im late to this but kirsche is the epitome of "you cannot do to me what i have already done to myself." especially considering her upbringing. shes made of steel and gold
SHE JUST WANTED TO LET HER HIMBO GRILL, DAMMIT!
Kirsche's getting the shoeonhead treatment
Kirsche's not a spineless grifter tho
Huh? When did Kirsche hang out with a neonazi? 😂
Lmao, either you're spineless or a neo-Nazi no in-between
@@Knight-Bishop ew fake fan. You don't know. Also, get better at reading comprehension. I said she's getting the shoeonhead treatment, not that her situation and actions are exactly like hers.
@@rndmcreater I thought the folks here could take a joke. Y'all are unironically sounding as sensitive as the people you're complaining about all over this comments section. 🤣
Your telling me that the thumbnail got you demonetized? That’s crazy
Those people don't live in the real world. If they did experience the world, they'd learn some things about the stuff they claim to "know". They don't know actual discrimination, just their own definition of things.
5:34
kirsche wants to correct someone💢😭
I actually follow them on RUclips and this is the first time I’ve seen them act like this with really flimsy evidence cause usually there arguments are pretty rock solid
💢💢💢
A point about Silvervale standing up against the Twitter brainrot during the Hogwart's Legacy debacle; It kinda bugged me that even when she was calling out Twitter idiots and standing up for herself, she still had to be vague and virtue signal that she was LGBT friendly. Yes, it's a very vocal minority of an overall movement but most of the harassment was from LGBT or Pro LGBT people and she's was still trying to play nice with people who had their boots squarely on her back. Personally I think she shouldn't have said anything except screw the twitter idiots and went on with her day.
>a modern day liberal white woman
>understanding the concept of purity test via ''struggle sessions"
You expect too much thinking from her.
It was the LGBT movement, not a small minority of the movement
@@dibberz-v1z To specify further, the LGBT movement is a minority of the LGBT community that those not part of the 'movement' have pretty rapidly grown to dislke/hate, depending on how 'aware' they are of the extent of the movement's ideology and extremist acts.
Remember that Silvervale was part of the hate mob that bullied Nux. Her problem was that people who she associated with politically attacked her for not adhering to the "new doctrine" properly.
@@jtnachos16 with gays and lesbians I agree, trans people however....
When they can't beat you, they lie about you.
That or they attack your appearance.
If they can't get you to bend the knee, they will try everything they can to socially destroy you. They are every bit the Austrian Painter they accuse everyone else of being.
@@Deadsnake989 What does that even mean? I just googled it and only saw a bunch of famous artists.
@@ZachX888
One is more famous than the rest. So famous I'm sure you've heard of him.
Hint: he's known more for his cooking skills than his art.
_I still don't know how he baked so many cookies._
@@the1necromancer Sorry man I don't know anything about Austria, or cooking related incidents with artists.
Never let anyone silence you
If they are lying, then no. If you are truly a horrible person, then you should probably stay silenced for your own good.
You can be many worse things Kirsche and these twitter freaks are that thing.
I just got tired of everyone altogether and wanna just focus on my content.
It's hardly a battle of Right vs Left vs Center now. It's devolved into a battle of Lunacy vs Common sense. The fact that they're witch-hunting kirsche for speaking common sense will never cease to amaze me.
And there are lunatics on the Left, Right and every other dumb ideological club out there.
@@williansnobrecentrists.
Same conclusion I got to a decade ago.
True.
We should call it FellOffkai. 😂
Let's take a moment to appreciate the Mega Man X bgm.
Armored armadillo
I appreciate that Kirsche has embraced the Jiggle Physics on this model. Makes it enjoyable to watch. As for the abuse, it's garbage and shouldn't happen but we are living in 2024 and people suck.
I'm glad Silver had a somewhat positive outcome. As someone who is on the side of a loss that got me thrown out of a community due to slander, character assassination, and twisting of the truth I'm glad to hear someone was able to beat the system, as it were.
Solid upload Azehara, thank you for sharing this, I really needed it.
Leave it to normies to try and put a label on the Spicy Cat, lol. Occom's Razor; Kirsche is just Kirsche, lmao
Hold on… Normies?
@@BasicSub Well yes that would make more sense… However. Look ☝🏻 at the original post.
I wouldn't worry too much, it's all a blur. People put labels on everything when it's all a spectrum of ideals. Were all different.
13:40 Waiting for the day someone that person likes ends up getting blacklisted from a convention then maybe they'll suddenly start caring about people being banned for "controversial views."
Not to be *that* guy, but who is the person she’s talking bout?
Basically people like that only understand things once it happens to them. They have no critical thinking skills nor do they have any empathy.
I never even watched Pikamee or SilverVale, but seeing them get attacked for simply liking a game set in the Harry Potter universe pissed me off back then. I'm glad Silvervale stood her ground and told the haters to shove it, but I won't forgive what they did to Pikamee over a series that the leftists used to love and praise at every turn.
dont forget: silvervale was kicked from the company, but a person she thought as a good friend who threw her under the bus, wasnt.
I watched Pikamee often and Silvervale only watched a few times but she never struck me as a hateful person. She seemed extremely "inclusive" which was wild because part of the crowd she was open to were the same ones that turned on her.
@@AzeharaCh Silver was one of the people involved in trying to cancel some dude named Nux over him outing some scammers. I had a hard time finding sympathy for her when the same cancel crowd came after her.
@@Deadsnake989 Nux is a bit of a clown tho
@@20tigerpaw20 ah yes, Froot or whoever she was
You are an independent free thinker. And as a fellow free thinker, just know that your very existence scares the shit out of the establishment, conformists, non-conformists, and everyone in between.
I'm right of center, but piss off both sides.
how I know I do it right.
doing god's work
I'm left of center. People hate me for not agreeing, or agreeing for the "wrong" reasons
13:00 wait she closes tabs? now that is surprising
At this point if you believe in objective truth you're "right wing".
I hate anyone who is different from me.
Including you.
Yes, you.
[Bruh, I'm a mirror.]
@@TuberMad I stand by my words
@@WalkingCorpse736 Based
Good, I hate you for not being a literal carbon copy of me opinion-wise
Joke's on you, you have to get in line.
What is crazy is GOD FORBID someone have different think then you. GODFORBID you can still have a normal conversation with them. people that are 100000000000% online need help. Id love to start streaming but I see shit like this and I am like nah NOT WORTH!
True i also feel the need to correct people
Its human nature.
Yoo i actually caught this stream
Kirsche is Kirsche!
we need a kirsche beanie model it's be hilarious
The 9000 Defense Beanie. :o
My exact fear with my series is exactly this because they are the very dangerous elements they claim to be railing against.
People who have no value for human life and would absolutely become dictators if given an ounce of power.
We just got to fix that model and then she will be perfect, well maybe that asmonafliction but she’s still
And then some people decided to tell their audience to "just move on" after being reminded of what yabs they did in the past
>Kirsche dealing with online Hat
>wearing big floopy hat in thumbnail
hmmmm
Huh, never expected to be a part of a Vtuber clip.
Welcome to Kirsche's Clip's and Chips. Where everyone is a part of the action.
THEY ARE MAKING UP LIES ABOUT ME ❤
I hope the haters finally fizzle out and get a real job
It's cause she is a wolf and wild.
*YOU CAN'T CAGE THE RAGING WOLF GIRL* _AWWWWWOOOOOOOO_ 😆🤣😆
the hard truth about fame is that no matter what you do there will always be someone out there that hates you for simply existing. no point in trying appease them
Just remember "they hate us because they ain't us"
But is it really a theory, when journalists far and wide are asking if it's such a bad thing if it were true?
Technically speaking, yes. However - it can be said to be proof of malintent, at least, if the accusers say "You're just talking about a baseless conspiracy theory" in order to discredit your valid arguments against the theory (regardless if what you're arguing against is real or false), and then go on to speak about how the theory is actually good.
After all, if it being a conspiracy theory alone is enough reason not to argue against it, it must also be enough reason not to argue for it.
Ignoring the harassers may sound altruistic and wholesome, but in practice it's a mistake waiting to happen; especially now with how powerful and accessible editing ai has become, sure it's silly to see past presidents playing video games, but it can just as easily be used to put words in your mouth. However I also agree you shouldn't apologize when you have sensible hate, the masses just tend towards the ignorance is bliss mentality despite willingly overlooking the consequences.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.
Based Armored Armadillo bgm though
She might as well have that armor along with immunity to Spark Mandrill with how resilient she is.
Kirsche is politically a Foxu, clearly
Ah I felt that part about the Aut need to correct people especially if they misrepresent me personally bit in my soul. It's why I hate kafkaesque traps so much, it preys on that compulsion.
what traps lol
@@rampantsarcasm2220 Kafka's trap or Kafkaesque trap is something where denial is treated as a sign of guilt, it's a particularly vindictive form of a catch 22.
@@rampantsarcasm2220
The kind of trap found in Thailand ;D
Actually though, a kafka trap is, as far as I understand it, when your denial of an accusation is taken as proof that the accusation is true - as in the easily understood case of "'I'm not a witch' is what a witch would say." It's a bad argument because it doesn't actually care for or help determine the truth - in this case, "I'm not a witch" is also what someone who's not a witch would say.
bring back insane asylums.
Bro I agree.
It'll benefit abusers more then victims like it did in the past
What the stance on the new assassin's creed game out of curiosity
Pretty sure she probably doesn't care for it and knows they are adding a ton of random DEI crap to it.
@@AzeharaCh I remember when I tried an AC game once (Got it for free off Epic, it was the London one) and it opened up with "Made by a wide diversity of people" or some shit and I just rolled my eyes. Man, the gameplay and plot was so fucking basic it shouldn't have been a surprise given that intro text.
I couldn't help but notice her booba were shaking the entire time she was talking. Am I weird for noticing that?
She does shake like A LOT when she talks.
Why would you be weird for noticing her milkshakes when they're right there? I think Kirsche mentioned she wanted them prominent, but someone with a better memory than mine correct me if I'm wrong.
I’m too distracted by her ears to look at her chest
That's kinda the point, the jiggles are there for fun.
this be what just happened to wendigoon
KIRSCHE HATE!! SHE PISSED ON MY CROPS!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAH
#CancelKirsche
Is that megaman x music in the background?
Yup
Armored Armadillo's stage theme. I'll always recognize that one! It's literally the best one! And one of the best MMX stages of all time for that matter. It's where you get the Hadoken! And fight the original Mega Man Bat enemy that always drops extra lives!
Kirsche is adorable. Who can hate the Kirsche?
Me, well not really but I dont really like her. Not because her political views tho
@@KickTwo That's usually what makes people hate her.
So what made you dislike her?
@okairo honestly, I don't watch her very often. She's just kinda gross to me. Don't find her cute at all. She also acts in a way that just annoys tf outta me.
@@KickTwo Fair and more honest than what most people would say.
@okairo yeah I appreciate her honesty and realness, but she just isn't my cup of tea
Wait, Bionicle writer? Which one? I am aware of two, one I can see, the other I hope is not the case.
Is this the writer of Masks of power or is it the writer of Bionicle Revised?
Masks of power. Ugh..... I so need to make my own bionicle game. Almost got banned from that server because told a dude in a dress to not insert his ideology into bionicle. Ew.. The grossest thing I ever saw was him saying "trans goals" to Roodaka.
Them Yahtzis are everywhere
Most based fox.
Mikeneko/Rushia also was hated for made-up things. I say if she is guilty of a crime, report her. And when she is not charged with anything, then haters were spreading lies.
You sure about that?
Mikeneko/Rushia was hated for stupid things, but most (if not all) of the widespread accusations were proven to be true.
@@jakeplaysyt8000It's still going through court. Nothing was actually proven true
@@Elbon-the-Lolinator Fair enough. Nothing has been proven legally true. However, I’m pretty damn sure that both parties made statements confirmed certain rumors.
Wait the developer for Mask of Power? Why are you getting involved in something not related to your game?
Social media has convinced normies that they MUST assert some kind of position on every single topic IMMEDIATELY, regardless of whether or not they actually KNOW enough to have a firm position.
It reminds me of what Denzel Washington once said about the news media when an interviewer tried pressing for a take on the "Fake news" trend: "If you DON'T read the newspaper, you're UNinformed. If you DO read it, you're MISinformed." We ironically live in a period where there should be no shortage of information nor access to it, yet the average person will almost unequivocally fail to perform even the most cursory level of research before they rush to assert their uninformed opinions as truth. And as a result, we see the world constantly flooded in "truth" without honesty... and that the Patriot AI may have had a point.
Not surprising. Unfortunately, the Bionicle fandom has been infiltrated by activists and ideologues, especially those belonging to the "T" crowd.
Lead writer says on there twitter plus I think they where already done writing at this point cause they’re focusing on RUclips now. Also from what I’ve seen this is the first time they heard about her
@@susanliptak6595 I just hope he kept his opinions out of the writing.
I know it's just speculation but I think just the lack of support might be the reason why pickamee and silvervail both left their organizations and became Independence
I like your kind just having the Nazi profile pic don't have to guess or anything
@@jacobcordova3825
Bro, that's a Gundam flag.
Your inability to do a basic reverse image search and calling him a Yahtzee because of it says more about you than it does about him.
@@the1necromancer Was gonna say, that's the flag of Zeon, I think Neo Zeon specifically. I could be wrong on the exact flag in the UC timeline, but either way, it's not a flag that was flown by germany in the 1940s.
@@the1necromancer sure looks like Nazi stuff but if it's not my bad
Edit* ok I looked it up fantasy Nazi flag are you kidding me
@@the1necromancerNeo Zeon are literally space Nazis. Their leader got compared to Hitler in it's very own show. I am not saying that someone who has that profile pic is a nazi, but the flag is supposed to evoke the image of nazis
I know your eyes are up there but ohhhhhh myyyyy godddddd
Radical gigler
I love your sarcasm and your energy
She’s pissing off enough people, must be doing something right 👍
Not a "literal who" anymore.
Martyred like nuxtaku, unfortunately, despite just being based.
Kirsche is becoming the Bill O'Reilly of Vtubers. She has so much integrity and humor that if she comments on something being bad it almost always is. She'll even defend people she personally disagrees with but are being unjustly persecuted.
We are all Yahtzees!
Great clip.