Caterpillar D2 Undercarriage Carnage!!! The Worst Track Component Wear I've Ever Seen...
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Grease is expensive!!! Seriously, this is what happens to old machines when people decide they're not worth maintaining anymore and just run them to destruction.
That beer can cat is a testament to how well they were built. A pissed off operator took 40 plus years to beat it to death
The “grease is expensive” got me rollin 😂😂
There use to be welding shops that did nothing but build up crawler rollers, idlers, sprockets, chains back in the day. Now just throwaway and buy a cheap replacement or take off. Those undercarriage gauges were used for inspection and weld build up templates. Operators carried grease guns and used them. The world went from sensible to senseless in two generations lol.
I idolized my father back in the sixties and seventies. I followed his every move when it came time to servicing machinery on the farm. While my dad would tackle most jobs he would hire an old cantankerous blacksmith from a local village to come do the welding that needed to be done. I learned a whole new vocabulary from George but learned a lot of common sense also. One of George's pet peeves was lack of lubrication. He would ask his customers "You know those grease zerks on your farm machinery aren't Christmas tree ornaments, right?"
See personally, I would keep a few pieces of those old track parts just for display. Really shows how even with all that wear those machines were built to work no matter what.
I bet hours and hours of laying down weld rod goes down smooth with an ample supply of Blatz Light!
As they say "one man's trash is another man's treasure". They created their own treasure as more Blatz was consumed!
My thoughts exactly! Those sprockets wouldn't have seemed too bad to take on if you turned enough full beer cans into empty ones.
A few times iv welded up the ground drive wheel on my bredal spreader
Takes a few hours but you get in a groove amd keep going
At least iv got a mig these days so I can just weld non stop for 15mins at a time
As they say time.flies when your having fun
Found out the hard way the first time if your going to weld for 4 hrs straight then wear pants and a long sleeve shirt, lol
Rick Bork using a psudonym?! Nah! Even RB knows when to reject a job! 8-))
@@fowletm1992
If you weld long enough, even the long sleeve shirt and pants will not be enough protection.
I wear long sleeve 100% cotton work shirts from Red Kap, after 12 plus hours of burning rods like that I’ve gone home and stripped down to shower and found my chest and belly were slightly burned through the shirt - and I had lighter patches on my chest where the shirt pockets and button strip down the middle gave more protection from the ultraviolet welding radiation than the thinner parts of the shirt did.
There was lots of rode hard and put away wet hours on the beer can machine. But one needs to take the time to appreciate the time someone put into building those sprockets up and using a beer can for internal engine parts. Thanks for the update squatch253
I have built up drive sprocket/track tumbler assemblies on a Northwest 190-D series II dragline two different times using that very method. It took me over 60 hours working 12+ hrs a day per side using 5/32” build up rods. Also did the fair lead rollers the same way. Then I’d get to use the old worn out cutting edges from the Cat 988A to add material to the bottom of the 6 yard dragline bucket, welding all of that on with 5/32” 7018 electrodes. After that was done, I got to run hard surfacing beads on every leading edge of that bucket. There was about 2 months time invested in those projects every time we went that far with the backwoods rehab on that thing. The best part is that it actually worked, and held up for quite a while, seems like 4-5 years between the two times I did that machine. The bottom of the bucket wore faster than the rest because we were digging sand and gravel for a wash plant with the machine. All I can say is it was miserable doing that work during the summer in North Texas.
Since you have personal experience with hard facing rod,question please.
At about 1:30,he positions the gauge on that roller. Would it be possible to save that roller by hard facing both sides then perhaps putting it on a lathe to turn it down to spec ? Any idea how long such a thing would last ?
No idea how much effort that would take,but would it be possible? A wintertime project for someone ? Something I will never do,but personal curiosity. Cheers.
paul manson
While he did say "hard facing", I believe what he really meant was the heat treated face of the roller was worn off. The hard surfacing electrodes I was using way back when were intended to add a harder surface to an existing surface to slow down the wear in an abrasive environment like digging in sand, clay, and river rock. That's why when you look at a bucket on a piece of equipment and see those almost chrome looking welds with gaps between the beads that are about the same width, the gaps are intended to fill up with the material being dug up and it actually causes the material being removed to wear against itself instead of the sides of the bucket thereby extending it's useful life.
I don't believe those hard surface rods are intended to or even possible to be used as a build up material for a project such as you're suggesting. I really think that if you could build the roller up with such material, it would be very brittle and probably split itself right down the middle and fall out of the track frame, and that's if it could be machined into a round working surface again. It would probably be too hard to turn on a lathe, so a precision grinder would most likely be needed. I just don't believe the rollers would hold up to everyday use if they were rebuilt that way.
We tried something similar with the manganese jaws out of a jaw crusher for rock. The first time we turned the machine on and fed some rocks through it after rebuilding the jaws, within just a couple of minutes, both of the jaws broke in several pieces and fell out of the crusher onto the conveyer belt. All of the welding changed the molecular structure of the parent metal and the whole thing turned into a brittle mess.
@@ralfie8801 Aha. I imagine with the large variety of rod material, there just might be something that might serve,but as you say,the heat would change the underlying metal. Thanks for the reply.
I have 45 years in Operating Engineers Union I have never seen undercarriage that bad. Like you stated it must have been horrible to operate. I spent many weeks welding building up rollers and idlers. When the sprockets came in segments it did not pay to build them up. We used a hard surface rod that was impact resistant to build up and the last pass was with a harder rod. We used those gauges you have from Cat. We also used to make our own gauges off of new parts. Thanks
When my dad bought his property from a farmer, the last thing the farmer left on the land, and then forgot, was a 30 lb. can of welding rods:)
Uh, wait a sec... A 10+ minute video, posted 8 minutes ago, and some f-ing jack-wang gave it a thumbs down?
So Mr. Jack-Wang, please post links to your amazing videos so we can leave some well-deserved reviews for you.
So much Jack-Wang, they call him Mister.
4 Jack-Wangs now, the whole family’s dropping by...
I wonder if someone is watching on a phone and hitting the wrong button by mistake. I sure have trouble sometimes on my phone hitting keys and buttons correctly
At 16 now, peeps don't know a good thing when they see it.
Squatch has best like/dislike rates ive ever seen on yt, and i bet those are missclicks :D
Got home from work right on time, clicked on the video 9 seconds or whatever after it was posted and there was already 50 likes, that’s awesome!
What I can't understand is how there are three dislikes! Squatches videos are great from beginning to end!
Patreon supporters get to watch before the rest of the viewing public.
That track frame reminds me of my dad's D4 back in the '70s. Blade too heavy and machine walked on front idler and first roller. Dad solved prob by stretching frames and put in a 5th roller. Only D4 with 5 rollers on the frames
Clicked the wrong one again and jumped way ahead. have to go and watch up to this point now,
At 13 years old I learnt to weld, building up the hard facing on CAT rollers. With a third of an oil drum full of water and 2 bars to hang the rollers in. By the end of that summer I had the best suntan ever. The UV light from the finger size rods was enough to get through a boiler suit . The rollers I worked on went on to last for years and never looked like the pigeon "poop" (M dad would have said it differently) you seem to have found. My dad would say "You can't weld stick properly until the slag just drops off". Thanks for sharing so much.
Guage tool looks like a Duck :-) Sorry about the old rollers. Chin up and best of luck with the rest of the build back. :-) Love the series~!
Oh the humanity! Looks like someone was trying to reinvent the wheel with that poor idler .
In defence of the beer can maintenance guy , I once used a beer can piston ring compressor, just add zip ties , when I was stuck though I didn't consider using it for spare parts.
I'm constantly astounded by the amount of abuse that machinery endures!
I've never seen anything like the abuse that the Beer Can Cat was subjected to though! :-O
Thank you for sharing Toby! :-)
When you said Grease is Expensive, my cat looked at me like WHAT???
I was born in Cuba. I've seen CATs "rebuilt" that way, using whatever you can find (well, not beer cans because that didn't exist there) Every kind of welding, completely made-up parts, taken out of old Russian equipment, you name it. Mostly because those old CATs ran better than the Russian ones even when everything was repaired just enough to keep them running. Those things are TOUGH.
Squatch, I hope those old drive gears are being turned into some nice end tables :)
Your Local subscribers should win those wheels for grinder stands in their shops.. Just an idea to let those old parts live on!! If i was close i would buy one from you!
me too
Just how in the world can you dislike something like this? I think it was great, look at the history of these machines and try to invision just what they went through. In my world that is a GREAT video. Thank you.
No doubt...grease is not only expensive, but it’s dirty and messy too!!
I wonder if the sprockets were still on the tractor and whoever did the welding had to lay on the ground to weld then move it slightly ahead then do the next part, and so on and so on. Wow, I hope it was warm out. Like the guy said, "It took 40 years." Those thing were made tough.
Had a chance to buy a crawler many moons ago. Had to pass, because the sprockets were more like 80%-90% wear and somebody had transplanted a Chevy small block 350 into it. Yep, no matter the application or configuration, whatever the original engine was you can replace it with a small block 350. ;-)
You had me worried there for a moment. Though the downside of 5J1113's undercarriage being in much better condition is that there's less scope for rebuild/repair videos.
Jesus! Who ever had that machine neglected the hell out of it! Amazing how they just kept on operating that d2 without any maintenance at all! That's a shame, Mind boggling! I hope you have the required parts to finish them undercarriage tracks! We'll be looking forward for the next chapter! Definitely!😎👍
Beer Can Undercarnage!
Well you have all of my attention. Are you tossing those bearing caps? I haven't broken my D2 down that far yet, but I suspect I have some pretty clapped out bottom rollers. Still working on my project though. I'm one of the guys who, everyone here (including myself sometimes) would hate for changing up an original machine. But my D2 is now 1990 12v Cummins powered. I know, it's a shame. I worked with what I had. Was 19 when I bought her, and couldn't afford to rehab the mag for the pony, let alone the completely froze up engine. So I made what I had work, well kinda. I'm still working on it. I'm almost 29 now haha! But someday I'll have it done. Anyway just wanted to share a little. And say thanks for all of the education you've been giving me along the way. If I ever happen across another D2, the older me would keep it original. Until then I have my "Cummin-at-apillar" haha. Please don't kick me off the channel for my beige repower lol. Take care.
@@squatch253 That honestly could be chiseled in stone. Man I appreciate that alot. Great advice! Cool coincidence haha. Guess we had different stuff on our minds at 19 then most lol! Also a mechanic, except for a construction company. Run a service truck for 'em. Couldn't do your job. New vehicles, customers. Yikes. Well I appreciate it again. Take care, looking forward to the next one.
"Grease is expensive" Squatch253 anno 2021. Loving that sentence. This is some serious school lessons on what can happen with old crawlers under carriage.
6:55 Beercan was taken for some sweet jumps. :))
Thank you for the video.
Sprockets weld buildup, wow! I particularly like the roller shaft that "milled" it's way through the frame rail ... :-)
I can understand not putting replacement parts into a machine, but come on, no grease at all? Some people...
There are probably some folks out here in viewer land that would pay good money to have an old piece of the Beer Can Cat! Hmmmm, A new Squatch253 Store Coming up! LoL....
For sure I wouldn't mine to hang one of those gears on my shop's wall of shame even though shipment for something that heavy will be expensive from the states to Europe
exactly! Can you imagine the shipping cost??? I'd love some old cat to hang in the shop as well, along with my 1693 and 3408 parts ...
There's a construction company not too far from me that has a pair of D6 (?) frame/track assemblies as parking barriers in front of their offices. Just because it's worn out, doesn't mean it can't still be useful.
It breaks my heart to see good machines ruined, time and again due to lack of periodic lubrication.
Money must be easy!
That’s crazy they definitely spent some time on the welder lol thanks for sharing
After watching this, I feel much better about the undercarriage on our farm's 6U D4. I mean, it's not like, great or anything, but it's not as bad as what you just showed. Great video, as always. Looking forward to the next one!
Pretty powerful motivation to aquire a full bucket of grease before you start with summer chores,I should think. Quite a difference in the idler alone.
Hi Squatch great video I found it very Interesting. Just goes to show what damage can be caused by a lack of basic maintenance. Keep up the good work. Mick 👍🍻
Whomever had that worn machine before you sure did get their money’s worth out of it. 1113 will be as close to new as any on the planet if I’m not mistaken. Thanks for sharing.
Lions and tigers and bears oh my
THANKS FOR all
the video's and information
for real thanks
To restore anything that beat up you have to enjoy the build. Not as much fun driving as the build. Glad your liking it.
always looking for the new videos and the progress of the project
Thanks again Toby @Squatch253 for your videos! Very informative and helpful and I look forward to every instalment. Can you tell me if that cool little D2 measuring gauge is still available? And, if so, what is the part number?
A lot can be said for grease and oil, you don't need the best or the most expensive, what matters most is that you get fresh oil/grease in there on regular intervals.
I have vague memory's of the roller bearing in my bike's transmission had a min oil flow requirement of ~25 drops an hour, I don't think its ever dry beyond the time from startup till the spray bar over the transmission gears receives oil. Is it coincidence that those bearings are never a primary failure point, I think not.
That said, on some models, the counterbalance would work its locating pin out, and it would violently impact the crank shaft, general result was you needed a new everything from the jug or head down engine wise.
One has to take into account the fact that machines were back in the depression (not exactly the correct word), days as well. It was cheaper to put in cheap welds than to purchase a new sprocket. Now, today, in my opinion, you should be able to take those sprockets into a machine shop and they should be able to resurface them. Tooling today and machine shops today have come a long ways compared to back then.
You should see our PC800 undercarriage.
Wow, that was really something to see! Thanks for the episode
That's a LOT of weld! Man, it reminds me of some of the carnage I saw on the H when tearing into the rear end.
That was a good education for me. Thanks.
Defiantly got their moneys worth out of them, but then again, that's how it was back in the day
I mean, you can argue that, but in reality, they didn't. Here's my thinking.
First of all, you never stop counting the price of a (let's say car in this case) car until your name is no longer on the owner's papers. So a decent second hand car you don't plan on investing in past purchase is what, 3k, let's say 3k. Well, gas is a price part of the system, so with each successive no-repair, no-maintenance cycle, you increase your bill, because of course that car's gonna run rougher and rougher, gobble up more and more fuel.
Secondly, there's the personal physical cost, we're talking dealing with a cold, because the heater broke last winter, a shoddy back, because rear spring is shot from when a mate asked you to move, then there's the constant pain of having to deal with that steering rack hang up, hopefully it's not gonna come back to bite us later, right?
But back to Beercan, figure that the wear there was so severe it must've put a ton of strain on that engine, so an already tired, hacked out engine, having to deal with all that mechanical drag? That's gonna cost you.
So at the end of the day, whomever owned Beercan, thought, they were getting their money's worth out of it, but in reality, their commitment to be a cheapskate, got them even bigger bills with each successive element that just didn't work right anymore. Fuel costs, and fuel cost a lot in the industry, because of big, umphy engines. Beercan got its revenge.
And this is from personal experience, because we had to wait three months for an entire right side roller assembly, but we seriously needed the digger having broken it right in the middle of a timed job, and so the mechanic fabricobbled a wear plate so the tracks didn't eat into the frame (like it happened here) and let me tell you, the fuel expenses went considerably higher, and that was just a single 20 cm long wear pad which kept tension on the track, specifically constructed to wear as little from the tracks as possible. Our mechanic did an excellent job sculpting it out with the grinder. And it still dragged, I can't imagine how much more dealing with an entire assembly worth of drag must've strained that engine.
Tracked vehicles are incredibly complex creatures, you don't make sure the system is well oiled and well running, you're in for a paddlin'.
This sorts thing still happens I'm multi billion dollar mines
Sometimes it's cheaper to replace a whole track frame than stop production
If gold prices are high (the industry I worked in) they run machines to trash ,we had a pc2000 komatsu digger that spat tracks every 3 days but fuck it run it till fold goes down and we'll walk it back to the wotkshop for over hall
Ran a D10t drive sprockets so bad it wouldn't move anymore it was round
Lol
Then of course you have the broke company's that just can't afford to repair it
Nicely designed
Not the only D2 that's been abused. Mine came equipped with pony motor oil that was too thick to drain, tranny and air cleaner oil that was white with water.
Imagine how much time it would have taken to add that weld to the sprockets.
a couple of beers would fix that track frame!
I repair lifting equipment used in steel mills and steel suppliers and it makes you wonder if they even have maintenance people or know what maintenance is. All you can say sometimes is get out your cheque book and this is gonna hurt !! Crazy dangerous too.
Guy that built up those sprockets. Must have built battle ships. In his past. I spent enough time behind a hood to know. It's very hot, dirty, hard work!!! God bless those guys!!
Looks to me like Borkster was catching air with that old dozer.
Run it till it won't go anymore then bring it to my shop for me to get everything back in spec. That is pretty typical. lol Probably cheaper to make new parts from billet than to bring those back from the dead.
another thought.. are you going to look at installing felt washers in the track roller bearing supports to keep as much dirt out and grease in. perhaps with a modified grade 8 or thrust washer around the felt to protect it. think Ford C4, C6 thrust washers that should be available cheap to perform this duty..
Looks like that front idler there was WAY TOO MANY BEER CANS....LMAO....LOL
Gotta remember these weren't always an antique collectors tractor
Once they were just a small old worm out peice of crap that needed to be traded on something new
It's hard to image but that Hyundai exel you just sent to the scrap yard, one day someone will be obsessing over parts for it
OK maybe not
But there's alot of things today we look at junk that one day people will be begging for
I know the way I treat some of the older gear on the farm I sprta wonder if it'll be worth a fortune one day
Currently we have a few bits of gear that are unsellable because transport off farm is more than they're worth so they get parked in the bush to rust away
He says "Grease is EXPENSIVE"!🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣HILARIOUS🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Woah. That’s an insane amount of wear. We run turf equipment pretty hard at work, but rarely do we ever end up with that kind of wear
The new equipment is too thin, it would never take a quarter of the wear.
Best wishes.
@@carlthor91 yeah no doubt!
I don't know what is the bigger crime, using a Blatz beer can in a bearing cap OR actually drinking a Blatz beer... YUCK! There is a reason that nasty stuff is gone. Lol
Hello squatch, what's up with the pony motors that are at the shop???? Do tell. Awaiting your next video. Robin Jo from PA.
Like an Undercarriage Carnage Ninja!
Thanks for the laugh ! “Grease is expensive “ lessons from my dad from his dad they never ran equipment with out checking oil and greasing first and so the trend continues with me.
Excellent video! You got a part number for the measurement tool?
Very similar to my '98 Ford F150 that finally just died at 390,000 km. Knew it was going, so just gave up on the maintenance. It was in pretty sad shape the day it actually did up and die. Bought a shiny new one the same day! Yes, I will be doing the maintenance on it, but this one is going to get beaten on the backroads too. Be interesting to see how the new truck stacks up to the old one.
Maybe like how the new Cats compare to the old ones?
That's amazing to think that instead of maintaining the parts, or replacing them they did all that welding. It'd like putting a bandaid on a leaky transmission, when they could replace the seals or lines and save it. DOHHHH!!!!!
very well I am in france I have a d4 the
problem I anderstand no things
I wouldn't scrap any of that just yet. It might come in handy for something someday, I'd put it storage down at one of my "resource centers".
It would make a good mail box stand or a yard light post!
@@ralfie8801 Exactly, even those pins could be turned down into something. I always find as soon as I throw something out I need it the next week. I only take rubbish to the tip & swap it for something good even though that's getting hard nowdays with the tip nazi's not letting me re-use & recycle. Luckily I've got enough "stuff" to keep me going, still can't help getting more if I see it though.
Granddad used to say "The bane of human existence is stuff that's not good for anything, but too good to throw away."
@@ostlandr Granddad was a wise man. I reckon it's better to have it & not need it than not have it & need it.
You need to use one of those sprockets to make a wall clock out of !
Wow wow wow that machine wet through hell looking at that
those sprokets i would not scrap , may take to a swap neat some one may need them.
I can think of a few people I have worked for over the past fifty years that could benefit from you doing a video on what grease is, and the benefits it provides if it is actually used.
That's pretty rough! Side note, is there anywhere you can still but that track gauge from?
Amazing how that heavy iron can wear away with no lubrication....
Scrap is up now !!!
But sort it to steel and cast major difference in price..
Copper and brass and aluminum !!
Are at a good price to.!!!!
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So literally...
The Good.
The Bad.
And The Ugly.
Excellent video it's amazing how much some one actually took the time to weld on the sprockets. Do you have any idea what a fair price for a 1956 d4 caterpillar with a straight hydraulic lift blade may be worth with just over 2000 hours on it i think it's a 7u model
@@squatch253 your absolutely right about that I know what you mean I have been down that road my entire life with buying and selling equipment. The guy has it sitting in a garage I will want to see it running and driving and check the tracks so the rollers and track chain is good. I am more of a John Deere industrial machinery type of guy that is what I grew up with. But I don't have a crawler it would be handy on my farm but I already have a tractor backhoe and a payloader and log skidder and forwarder so I don't really need a crawler but I am a sucker for the right price
I'm suprised that all those welds didn't crack the castings
You can't crack what's not even there!
It’s cast steel, you’re not gonna hurt it welding on it like that.
I’m one of those poor saps that got to spend 6-8 weeks all in one sitting welding sprockets, track tumblers, fairlead rollers, and replating a big portion of the bottom on a 6 yard Hendrix dragline bucket with worn out caterpillar bucket cutting edges 2 different times while I worked at a sand and gravel plant.
@@ralfie8801 I must of missed that when he said it was cast steel. I thought it was cast iron. Still was interesting to see how they built that up. Definitely sounds like you got experience in this kinda stuff
@@DS-Turbo
He didn’t say what they’re made from, but coming from a heavy equipment/machinery type background, I have a very good idea. Cast iron would last zero time in the abrasive environment these machines operate in. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that these are really a manganese steel alloy.
Think was not a hitting , but something got between the roller and the track and smashed in the roller! Wish I had The foundry and molds would cast new parts! Just for the rebuild/ restore of older cats also other parts. Also the lathes & mills and grinders for all the machining. Cast new starter engine blocks. Know not a real big money maker to do so but would keep them old stuff alive!
i look at the track rollers and think.. hmm. Fireball tools cuts 2" plate like butter.. maybe thicker. have him knock out some blanks.. spin them up to the proper shape and make up a spacer to press onto and axles to press thru.. might not be that hard to come up with new track rollers.. perhaps sending them to shops that build up front idlers to hard face them.. if not induction heating loops are not hard to create in odd sizes..
there are lots of companies that have Submerged arc welders to redo front idler wheels..
All that stuff is better than any thing my dad had, after a few years. When I learned to drive it was without the benefit of brakes because nothing we owned had brakes. It didn't matter because I was too little to reach a brake pedal anyway.
My dad always told me 'grease is cheap'.
The long awaited under carriage.
A little JB Weld and Flex Tape and it'll be good as new. :-)
It looks like someone that worked for my grandfather was operating that d2.
The difference in extreme wear is likely based on if they were owner operated or not. If you paid for it your more likely to care for it.
Wow, just wow.
Consider the need they had for it. The only way for them to go, apparently.
Hey Squatch! Do you have any pictures you can share of your buildup of the iron mistress?
They ran it off a cliff to bend that idler wheel. Tough old tractors!!! Thanks!
Grease is so expensive. Lol Makes me think of the pioneers who used fat on their wagon wheels. Everyone had a bucket of fat or seep oil mixed with flower, hanging on their wagons.
Makes you wonder why someone would ruin a perfectly good tractor by not greasing it.
Poor folks getting by with what they had???
I can't blame them for not greasing. The boss doesn't necessarily want you to spend time on anything else than pushing dirt and if you mention maintenance you may become a nuisance. Also where are the zerks?