I agree with most of what you're saying but also think you're neglecting that some people just want to run Linux (on the desktop) for the fun and challenging aspects of it, not as a stance against windows or telemetry.
Majority of Linux users switched from Windows because they hate Windows. And they have found solution with Linux. Pretending like everyone has similar needs, calling them "sheeps" is not smart.
As you spread the Windows brainwashing yourself. Common sense blows holes all through your arguments against common sense in this video, as outlined in my comment below.
I am running my 13 years old MacBook Pro with Linux Mint for many years. The Macbook is no longer supported by Apple anymore, it should be in the landfill according to Apple. But Linux kept it working, I am still using it as daily drive. I learnt and use GIMP, Inkscape, Blender, MySQL, Python, Birdfont on this machine, I use Libreoffice, Filezilla, Remmina, Thunderbird, Firefox, Joplin daily. Unfortunately the screen developed some hardware issue, which is common among Macbook this age, other than that I am happy, having a lot of fun using Linux. Currently, I have 3 desktop running Linux in my office, and that saves me a lot of money. Some people may have bad experience using Linux, So far my experience had been very positive.
To be honest, much of my time spent with software is spent in Linux. I love messing around with different distros, desktop environments, window managers etc. All I really need is a web-browser, Steam, Emulators and VIM; Linux fulfils that purpose. Windows just doesn't really have the advantage it used to have for such long time any more, especially with gaming.
i wish you are right when it comes to gaming, the fact is that most games don't work under linux, most of the top played online games don't work, and most 3rd party software gamers use like LED integration and so on don't work. Most of the games i play don't work or don't run as well as under windows.
@@KentsTechWorld Then use Windows. For those of us playing games from the 80%+ of games on steam that run in Linux, it is fine for us. (Statistic is from 2021 and is higher now.) It's not most games. It's the most of the particular selection of games YOU play that have anti-player policies. But who knows? Maybe you play Roblox, the developers of which are intentionally blocking Linux in their newest update. That's right. Blame Linux when it is the developers making a conscious choice to block Linux users.
@Kent's Tech World Yeah I don't really care about RGB, I know some people do. Generally I stick to buying hardware which is designed for Linux when I go out shopping; I even replaced my Nvidia GPU with AMD so I can use Wayland without any issues.
Thanks for the insight. I agree with all of the points in your video. There was another Linux RUclipsr that I frequently watch as well that also brings up a critical point: One of the biggest problems in the Linux user community that often happens in promoting Linux is that it is often overpromised with claims and then is under-delivered when the new user actually goes to use Linux and it can’t perform a certain task or doesn’t work at all in the same way that user expected it to. The key of presenting Linux to someone is by presenting it as an alternative to Windows and macOS, rather than as a direct replacement for either OS, and also just being honest about what Linux can and can’t quite do yet depending on the actual needs of the user in question. That way then it’ll help to tamper the new user’s expectations if they are legitimately still interested in trying Linux. Once again, thanks for the insights on your video. You have some excellent points and I have learned a lot so far in watching your channel. I hope you have a good one.
I use GNU/Linux as my daily driver in lectures, class, video editing, picture layouts and research. The best decision that I ever had. Why? No ads, no malware, no spyware, no lockouts and the list goes on. Gadgets. No problem too. It functions the way it should be. I have the reviews in my channels in odysee and youtube. Smart board, no problem. Air USB mouse, it works like is should be. Bluetooth headphones, no problem too. Printers at school and cafe or hotel, got no problems with connectivity. Lectures on-line and on-site, no interruption with ads popping up. In Windows, a lot. And I need to add extensions to stop interrupting me. That's why I've moved from Windows out to GNU/Linux only in 2019. Until now, I don't delete my Windows because I still needs comparison for my lectures in computer and science. I may not be an expect but it made my life much enjoyable compare to Windows. That's my take as my reality of running in Linux. ☮
The only way you would get malware or spyware on windows is only due to skill issues and being not good with technology or downloading pirated programs.
@@rdg665 so if skill issue is to only way to blame. I brought my windows laptop in a computer shop that is well-known thought out the country and still not yet modified it and still got infected with malware and spyware. that leads that it is all original state. what would be the cause of this discover of this issue? this is way computer shops suggest that don't modify anything for two weeks before do real changes in the software and hardware to secure if any issues may occur. And at the same time, we are not perfect in any ways.
used linux in the late 90s myself started off red hat and i do remember blue curve and i have the gnome version of it too...i have also used other OSes like Openstep in the late 90s that introduce me to FreeBSD and other bsd and also Debian in 2000 like knoppix and also had issues like sound work, but only playing out the left speaker in the 09 times i would use linux mint as it had good hardware support.. i also used fedora core from the start like in 2004 and tried every release up to 38 and also every release of ubuntu in 2003 and use every release up to 23.04... i also try slackware, gentoo, arch linux, crux linux LFS kali linux, a bunch of arch based distro .. mx linux .. antiX etc u name it.... i still use linux, but i use windows 11 for everything and just run Win-KeX kali linux desktop inside WSL2 and its freaking amazing, but yes i use macOS on my mac m1 mini and i use fedora 38 on one of my desktop .. windows 11 on 2 of my pc and macOS on mac hardware i use a lot of different systems and honestly each has its good purpose of me having them all or if i need a certain OS to get a task / job done.
you not a good linux user, you should be angry over i did not say linux is better than life. and would make it's users more handsome, and get all them girls lol
i have tried to switch to linux, but all the customizability also leaves alot of room to ruin the system. And dual booting if you forget to use it for awhile, you just dont get an easy upgrade path other then clean install which is frustrating. I erased my dual boot
Linux desktop is for private use. You don’t get the industry standard tools that you must use most of the time. But that’s commercial software and the community doesn’t want to support that. So it’s going to stay a hobby OS.
exactly.... agreed, but also i can't dual boot. i install only fedora on my main laptop 😆, i don't want it in VM "as alternative". i mean i have windows machine and, and hopefully try to own macbook haha. i think that's a sweetspot for me, at least for now.
I switched to Linux almost 2 months ago after using Windows as long as I've used computers (21 years old and I started with XP) and I'm mostly satisfied. My Bluetooth headphones and Xbox controller (the latter requiring an additional driver for Bluetooth that was easy to install) both work fine but I can only connect one at a time on Pop!_OS. Also, the Brother printer administration software, which is Windows-exclusive, doesn't run under Wine. All of the games I play on PC run very well under Proton, sometimes better than natively on Windows.
I got a new rig recently, mixed-use for gaming and development, 7950X3D with 64GB RAM and a 4080. And I put Linux on it, while being fully prepared to do a dual-boot and/or set up a dedicated Windows gaming VM with PCIe passthrough. But well, I so far I just haven't had to. I've been playing dozens of games from my steam library without checking on protondb first and have only encountered one that didn't work (some random game called Unravel Two that I thought might be fun in local co-op, nothing I can't live without). I also got stable diffusion going and have been generating images on my GPU, which is one of the reasons I went Nvidia. Runs great (with the proprietary drivers). To be fair, the only competitive online games I play are fighting games, no FPS of any kind, so I don't know much about the experience you'd have there. But anecdotally, for me, it's been great. Other than some minor issues with the OS itself that I think are mostly because my hardware is very new. Debian stable won't boot at all, Nobara Linux has been doing great with only very minor problems, and I'm considering switching to CachyOS which I'm hoping will run even better.
Also sidenote, there's plenty of open-source software that is not just a knock-off of a proprietary product but can stand on its own as a great choice which is also used outside the Linux ecosystem. For example: Blender, Krita and Inkscape.
There is alot of great open source programs, the problem is that if someone wants,need or desire one program that's not any of those, they don't care. People need those other programs for the ecosystem, the name, it's what they know, it's what just works for them etc, why should we tell them they can't use their favourite software, when they should be able to as the can on the other two operating systems. Well we should not. It would nbe like me telling you to buy a new pc as Intel is better today and won't blow up your cpu and motherboard 😛😛
@@KentsTechWorld Haha, yeah the whole CPU blowing up stuff came out days after I got this stuff, and I have an ASUS motherboard too xD But well, I left EXPO off for a while until a non-beta BIOS came out and have since carefully turned it on, hopefully gonna be fine. As for the main point, yeah I agree, nobody should be forced to do anything. Although personally if I had to run Photoshop or whatever I'd go try the passthrough VM after all, cause Windows just can't give me the same daily desktop experience as something like KDE.
After years of prevaricating, a couple of months ago I made the switch to Linux Mint 21.1 from W.10. The main thing that had kept me on Windows for so long was my dependency on Outlook and the 10GB+ .pst file that I constantly used as a reference. So when my W.10 laptop started to deteriorate, rather than wait for it to fail I bought a replacement 2022 model Asus running W.11. I made sure everything was OK hardware wise, then blatted over W.11 with LM. All seemed OK except that there was no sound - which had worked fine under Windows. Using Linux I get sound through Bluetooth or wired to the audio jack, so not a terrible problem. The LM forums had posts relating to my exact h/w and sound problem, and it seems to be related to the Pulse Audio s/w but also to the Asus BIOS. As one post suggested, I changed the Linux kernel from 5.x to 6.x OEM. I still need to see if a BIOS update is available. I won't however be manually updating or otherwise adding lines of code to various system files as some of the forum posts suggest. I need this machine to be stable. Oh, the other thing that I did was to install VirtualBox and I can, if needed, run W.11 and Outlook just for reference. I now run Thunderbird on Linux as my email client. Two months in and I really like running Linux. No telemetry, updates applied when I want them to be, reasonably light-weight (well, compared to Windows). Not so good: the sound issue, battery management, load dependant CPU ramp up/down (despite running auto-cpufreq - now I might play with that a bit...) to name a few. Great video, thanks for posting.
There's a lot of BS over certain Linux Distros, but again, I would reiterate that anyone should just use the OS that suits the task at hand. I use Linux and Windows but don't use a Mac (purely for cost considerations). It's the "I use Arch BTW" brigade (see comment below)and the like that get up my nose. Snobs for no reason, who are their own worst enemy.
Oh. You run Arch? That's cute. Want to see my Gentoo laptop? Excuse me one moment. I just have to update my NixOS server. (BTW, my laptop is currently running Arch because I decided the processor is too slow to be compiling everything, even though I loved every minute on Gentoo.) I only ran into this stupid Arch meme when I rejoined the Linux world in January. I honestly do not understand it at all. I installed Arch on a netbook in 2012. It wasn't hard. There was a tutorial on their website. It's no harder than following a recipe for cupcakes with delicious cream cheese icing.
I use Arch because I enjoy pacman, makepkg, AUR, rolling release. Arch provides me stable base, by comparison Ubuntu was destroyed with my experiments. It is not hard to install but I recommend it only to experienced users. Probably there are other distros that solves my needs. I am really surprised by "snobism", always red it as harmless funboy comment, not different from "I use Ubuntu".
Spying: Running Linux on its own won't stop it. But, you can get browsers like Librewolf and implement smart habits to avoid it. You also don't get ads in your start menu and you can change your wallpaper without paying another $50 (which is what MS wanted to charge me on Windows 10 to get that function). Software: More software doesn't matter. What matters is the functionality. You have a lot of incredibly functional software that works as well or better, but it depends upon what you are doing. Hardware: Yep. Lots of manufacturers domt provide drivers for Linux. That's a hardware problem. You wouldn't buy Windows-only hardware for a Mac and expect it to work. Why would you for Linux? My Windows-only webcam is somehow plug n play in Linux, despite the closed drivers. So... Who knows? Do research. Specialty Software: If you use PS and Adobe software for a living and rely upon features in that software, use Windows or Mac. If you are an average user, GIMP/Krita is fine. Crashes and Issues: My Windows install had a virus after 30 minutes of use and all I did was install official drivers from Lenovo. The last time my Linux had a virus was never. The last time my Windows, which only has Microsoft software installed, crashed was 2 hours after running it. The last time my Linux crashed was when I personally screwed up a config file in Gentoo. My Ubuntu server has been running for weeks. My Arch laptop has yet to crash after several months. Virus scanner: No. I don't need one. If i share a file with a Windows user, it makes more sense for them to have the virus scanner. You made a very incorrect analogy. It's more like I'm a server in a cafeteria and someone with small pox infected the area around my cash register. Then an immunocompromised person came up, took a dozen deep breaths, licked the cash register, and kissed the person with small pox. I didn't infect that person and I don't infect Windows users. Also, when am i ever sharing files to Windows users that aren't files I created or trust? Oh! Here's a copy of the latest Marvel movie. Filename: RealMarvelMoviexXxXx_0002.exe Support: No. Supper is better with Linux, but it's also dependent upon your distribution. Ubuntu, Arch, Gentoo, and Fedora have great support. RHEL has fantastic support. So does SLED. With Windows, I upgraded my RAM and video card and they told me i had to buy a new license because that was a new computer. Sod off, Microsoft. Games: Yeah. Anti cheat screws over Windows users, too. You know not everyone uses computers for games, right? The average computer user just uses their comouter as a means of accessing a browser. Even still, why would you expect software coded for use on a different OS to work on your OS? The fact that Linux runs any Windows games is a major feat of programming. The games it will run are a boon to the OS. If you want to cherry pick examples that dont work, I can do the same for Mac software and Linux software that will not work in Windows outside virtualization, too. Why not talk about the extremely awesome use cases for Linux in addition to your opinion of the shortxomings? Your video made it sound like there is nothing good about Linux OSes. Ive been using it as long as you have. I've used Windows and Mac, like you have. I came to the opposite conclusion, which is that Linux is far superior to the other operating systems in almost every way. One of my favourite ways is my fully functioning hardware will be supported for the foreseeable future. I cant say that for Windows or MacOS.
I was about to make similar points, you’ve just saved me from the trouble. The video’s pure gold but misleading and plainly wrong in some areas: I’m running the three OSs for different purposes. Regarding Windows, I just don’t wanna be (key)logged o forced to use certain browser or suite every time I use my PERSONAL computer. Linux on the other hand is a relief when I’m managing my personal stuff, of course is more private and secure, miles ahead from Windows 10/11 Home at least.
@@jimmyneutron129 Yeah. But why make it worse if you don't have to? I should rewatch this video with the softened view I have on this video, having now come to more of an understanding of Kent's POV. I will likely still disagree a great deal.
I'm not an educated person in computing at all but since the first time I tried linux (ubuntu 4.10) in 2004, when installing stuff in windows through usb was a pain in the back, my canon eos350 camera and printer pixma 2000 were detected and working 100% both hardware and software things changed completely in my mind. I have been out of windows for almost 4 years and no regrets..that's it..
16:00 About the WIndows Server vs Linux example: i dont agree to this point at all. there are also a dozen of different versions of ubuntu, for example. normal ubuntu for the user, then theres Ubuntu Core, Ubuntu IoT, and others. if we want to apply this logic: Windows Server also runs on the NT Kernel, which also runs on Home Versions of Windows, and also have a graphical interface - just additional features to manage servers, so in essence: isnt that the same? that Windows is a System made for the desktop, retrofitted into the server space, so it isnt made for that on first sight. see the issue in that logic? Windows, and Linux, can run both on Servers and Desktops, depending for their usecase, they can be better or worse than each other. As you said for Windows Server and Windows Home/Pro, they are different targets, which can also be handled in the linux and macOS space. thats why there are so many different distributions (or, in windows called SKUs) to handle different parts of workflows. please dont see that as hate, as its a good idea to discuss those thoughts, but most of the points made in the video are kinda... how can i say this - missing the mark or point to "wrong" people and not the OS itself that got discussed here. For Example: 11:00 - User goes into config files - this can also happen on windows, people brick their systems all the time with "debloating windows" while they dont know what they do. 4:40 - you also had to purposefully buy hardware for windows "back in the day" (remember the time when gaming advanced to 3d and everybody had to buy voodoo cards, or audio chips specific for certain games like FF7 to let them sound properly?) - and the continued development on all sides (windows, linux) makes it easier to not give any thought about it for the general consumer another timestamp i cant find right now (sorry) would be the linux user putting something on a thumbdrive and give it to bob in accounting: that also can happen by a windows user, as i bet the linux user didnt execute it in your example, so blaming the OS for that is kinda off-limits at this point.
He also gave a stupid example of being infected with an actual disease and giving it to someone then blaming them for not being immune or some nonsense. Sorry, but a better example to running Windows without anti malware would be an immunocompromised person licking a bunch of plague victims then blaming the nursing staff for letting them lick the plague victims. It's 2023. At this point, anyone running Windows should know it is immunocompromised and take precautions like running, at the very least, Windows Defender. I think he also made the point that Linux gets viruses but they aren't as common because people aren't using Linux. Excuse me, but banks, governments, and organizations like NASA run Linux. Linux runs 75% or more of all devices on the planet. Those are all much bigger and more valuable targets than grandma and her collection of family photos. The fact of the matter is it is harder to exploit and harder to run viruses in Linux. That's why all of the most critical work is done with Linux and BSD, not Windows.
@@davidturcotte831 while I do understand what you want to say, the way you wrote it sounds rather passive-aggressive and doesn’t really help in this discussion. This is the kind of behaviour (no front, just kinda unlucky) which is mentioned in many discussion about W10/11 vs linux vs macOS, that won’t really give it a unbiased view.
@@TVPInterpolation I was pissed off at a terrible video that looks like it could have been written by Microsoft. What doesn't help the discussion is the fact that every point he made in the video is incorrect in 2023 and his virus analogy is insulting bullshit.
I like your train of thought about Linux and you're spot on. I've been trying Linux since the mid 90s and never felt it was up to snuff until a few years ago. Back then, it was "Oh this is novel". It sort of works but at the same time it was a lot of stuffing around to get some things working right. A few years back I tried Zorin OS which changed my perception on the Linux desktop. I swapped over full time to Linux for about 6 months, but realised I can't do without Windows as well. Just for the fact that some hardware won't run in Linux or there's no equivalent program for that hardware. So I'm still stuck with dual booting or having a dedicated Windows machine hanging around (which is what I do). As for reliability, as much as I want to love Linux I get more crashes on Linux than I ever did one Windows. And as you said, it can be very random. I find every time I'm trying to encode a video on Linux using Handbrake, I leave it going only to find when I come back the machines rebooted sometimes. Yet running handbrake in windows on the same machine I have no issues. I also find when I'm at motels and using their wifi, that the wifi won't let me connect if I'm running Linux. Again, same machine running windows and it connects. Weird stuff indeed. But overall, I still try and use Linux where I can. Although I've never had Unicorns shitting all over my screen LOL
I didn't get the point, people who stick to linux are those who decided to use it completely knowing and accepting its cons, they were able to find some value to do so .... something like they might be Intrested in new technology like immutable os, distrobox, kernel live patching...etc or by people trying to enhance their technical skill by contributing something like that Anyone who don't like it, they just going to move on. What's the point to dedicate a channel just to rant on pointless ... If you are trying to say that due to some sick psychology you wasted your precious time by using linux simply by believing some nonsense things which is completely only in your head... I just like to warn you that you repeating the same mistake again. You are experienced wise man instead of pointless rant on linux pls use your time to enlighten us with something useful
The point is to not lie or BS people about linux. And pretend it's this best OS ever to be made. And i did not say anything bad about linux i just said some things that people should be aware of when using linux that not enough people talk about. I did not say they should not use it or it was pointless to use it, just that here are some points to be ware of My channel is far from what you are saying. I have many videos about how to do things in linux and learning about linux and windows. I do many livestreams where i mostly talk about linux and help people with linux. The archive is just members only, but the stream when it's live is for everyone :) A second point of the video is to get people like you to comment like this, to show how sensitive linux people are, and how every time someone is not massively positive about it, and telling everyone they should use it. People like you will come out and white knight for it, instead of just saying "i don't care if others don't like it or use it". This is not a anti linux video, you people are making it in to one. Say more about you than me. I just pointed out some things people should think about like i said before. the thumbnail is a bit click baity tho
In the end I don't care about any os. And my indentation is not to argue or hurt you. I am just trying to point you that the majority of viewers (non member) will feel like your channel theme is to rant about linux atleast I feel like that, that's how RUclips algorithms suggest and I am assuming that's how you too structured your channel. Nothing wrong in stating facts, just my suggestion is to focus more on using the right tool, show better way, your niche trick. Make click bait by luring towards creating expectation for viewers that they are going to gain some knowledge on saving their time by learning something from you. Whatever, it's your channel and it's your decision to drive it. I just stated my opinion because I feel the potential that you can deliver good content, so I did my job by expressing my opinion. Anything more than this is none of my business.
@@laminathith2530 look at my videos and you will see i only do videos like this once and a while. Why you see youtube pushing it is that, people can't help themselves and have to throw in their two cents on a comment cos i was not talking about linux like the best OS ever, so youtube see it as a highly active videos and recommend it more to people. Not my doing but youtube and people commenting. IF i do a video about how to set up opensuse or configure the kernel. people don't comment so much and so on and youtube don't recommend it so much. So blame youtube for recommending it :P And if you see i almost stopped talking about linux, as i don't want to deal with the drama from linux users. I just like trolling linux people sometimes as i know they can't help them self lol
I recently switched to Atlas OS recently. Im happy ngl. My 7 year old system performs much better than before. Before i did the switch i had installed Antix just to see whether i couuld make the switch to it. It was truly complicated for me but it was a spectacular os due to its low ram usage. Soo i decided ill just stick to a Windows preference and yeah i decided ill take the gamble on Atlas OS. Now win defender doesn't consume 3-4gb(out of 8gb) of my ram, and the windows update doesnt end fking something like it did 2 weeks ago(desktop got deleted and notification tab glitches) Atleast now i can game in peace
I don’t want to be rude, but using systems like antix makes it harder by default to run stuff on it, and doesn’t necessarily have a better compatibility like the typical arch install. For low ram usage, there are quite a few ways to get it without needing to work on it for a long time (a few examples are endevourOS with many preconfigured window managers, like i3, bspwm, and so on). But glad that you found your way to handle things! I just want to make sure that you know the consequences of using windows versions like atlasOS, as they are much less „safe“ than the original alternative, and can break compatibility for a couple of things (not much, but could bite you later on) My general recommendation, when going with windows, is just using a fresh install and remove what you don’t need *and actually can remove from the graphical interface*, no debloat scripts, no nothing. just so it doesn’t break anything internally.
Yes. Wonderful. Is your computer connected to the internet? I ask because that definitely matters when using Atlas. Why did you try antiX instead of a more mainstream distro like Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, or Pop? If it's because of the RAM usage, why not lubuntu or one of the other more lightweight but full feature distros? AntiX is an odd choice. I'm genuinely just wondering how and why you chose that distribution. It's one that a lot of long-term Linux users haven't even heard of.
@@davidturcotte831 Oh i installed Antix on on old system of mine which had win 7 running on it previously. It had only 2gb ram on it. The system was running poorly on win 7 soo i was like why not just give it a try. Maybe i could actually use that system as a daily driver for watching yt vids on it I had downloaded it based on a yt recommendations for a light os. Soo yeah. While Antix ran very spectacularly on that system even on hdd, i felt that the cpu itself was still struggling even though the os was very light. Soo yeah i just stopped using that system in general coz i could not see any use of it apart from maybe making it a file server, which i dont think i need. Im confused by your first statement, but yeah Atlas does connect to the internet. Soo far no problems yet. That 3 to 4 gb extra free ram space due to win defender being stripped down, definitely gave my system a boost.
@@astrojade4802 Atlas has basically all security features stripped out. That's why it matters whether or not you are connected to the internet. In the Windows 7 days there was a virus that spread by looking at a JPEG. Today, we have similar exploits in bad JavaScript, pdfs, and a bunch different image exploits. Atlas is something you don't really want to rely upon full time, but it also isn't something you want to do anything important on, since you wouldn't know whether or not you have a virus on the system.
@@davidturcotte831 I completely understand what you mean to say and at the same time i also understand the consequences of my actions. But at the same my laptop is 7 years old. I wish Win 10 was optimized for older systems but sadly it was behaving absolute shit lately. My desktop got deleted, several things went wrong. The only answer online was do a full format. Like this is win10 in 2023. I did a windows restore, it restored it luckily but it was still screwed up and the problems just didnt end there.. After restoring the notification tab was also glitching for no reason. Soo i was like prepared to do a full format soo i was like why not just give Atlas a try. Yes security is compromised but what is the point of security if my system cannot handle the situation due to the various security mechanisms in place which further slows the system down. And in any case something does happen, i will just directly format
Interesting take. I do think the only valid point these days is the software compatibility with large vendors and the occational game. Other than that everyhing runs or there are perfectly acceptable alternatives. Maybe some niche software cases too. All good though, to each their own. Been using it daily since 99 and couldnt imagine Linux and OSS not being a part of my daily life. If it never catches on with the main stream it doesnt really matter to me and what im doing.
linux couldn't even run a dual monitor set up without terrible screen tearing. On intel graphics. Any distro or DE. The screen tears when I set the second monitor to portrait mode. Wayland fixes this but the cursor always has noticeably higher input latency. KDE wayland has terrible performance. Also cursor gets blurry in many programs like the browser when running at 2x scaling. In gnome wayland the apps themselves are blurry. KDE cursor has this stupid bug at 2x scaling where it flashes the cursor when the cursor changes pointer modes. Mouse acceleration is bad, especially on touchpads. Tried fiddling with it but there is no easy way of configuring it past the paltry libinput settings. Have to do some heavy configuring. List goes on and on... but these were just issues I had when checking linux out recently. This is bs, I'm not dealing with this nonsense in 2023. When did windows sort this out?
been using arch (wsl) and kali(vm) for more than 3 years, and i wanted to switch cause of the terminal and how windows is so damn slow sometimes but honestly as a dev who draws and play games i came to the conclusion that windows is the daily driver no contest ; - you have wsl which runs linux giving u the ultimate choice of language and tool. - gaming on win as u said is just less hassle, i can either buy a game or download it and it'll just work 100% of the time, no need to added to lutris then mess with the config cause it doesn't mesh with wine or something else entirely, i like to leave debugging limited to my work thank you very much xD. - for art kritta is not competing with either clip studio or photoshop, sure u can run them on linux but u loose access to the plugins and community. and lastly the reason why i can't run linux is: monitor support ; i use my tab s8 as a 3rd monitor/graphics tablet via super display, which is something not doable on linux, weylus laggs and is not a native screen, u run it thru a web browser, that and every time i try to natively install either pop, endevour or ubuntu, i find that either my main 4k monitor is not working, or it sleeps and never comes back (like me ), or there's a wired issue where it tears, it's just a headache. now windows is not without faults, like it gets laggy or takes too long to update but a restart is all it takes to get u in a working order. btw, the privacy concerns about microsoft data collection can be turned off so, meh never thought i'd leave a comment but i wrote an essay, who ever gets to here i wish u the most awesome blissful day/night!
How long has it been since you actually used Linux? You are mischaracterizing it as still being the obsolete Red Hat desktop you showed. Is Windows still infamously unstable like Windows 95? I've never considered Linux compatibility when building my ATX towers, and for over a decade before Windows 10 came out, I had been toying around with Linux, usually Ubuntu, on dual-boot configurations. Never had a problem with Linux not working on it. Just the usual efforts to make sure that the motherboard, CPU and memory boards are compatible with each other. I also have an old, refurbished laptop that was too old for Windows to allow me to run the compatible video driver for its integrated Intel Core CPU with built-in GPU. Windows 10, with which it shipped as refurbished, would never allow the proper video driver downloaded from Intel. I know because I went through that with a previous ATX build with the same generation of Core i5 it has. I would re-install the proper Intel driver and Windows 10 would immediately force an update back to the incompatible one. That incident was the last straw that drove me to complete my migration to Linux. However, that old laptop runs Debian just fine and dandy with no issues at all. First thing I did was to replace the internal SSD with a brand new one and install Debian on that bare metal drive. So what if Arch, which powers my current Windows11 compatible ATX tower, won't install on my old emergency laptop and Debian won't install on my tower? They're both Linux. I run Linux on both machines just fine and dandy. And I use the same desktop environment on both, so the GUI is the same. As for your "Everyone else is spying on you so why can't Microsoft?" argument, nothing online is capable of coming even remotely close to the level of malware behavior Windows 10, and presumable 11 and all future versions, inflict on one's hardware. Basically, Windows exercises a proprietary level of control over the hardware you bought and paid for and if it's beyond a certain age, Microsoft wants you to buy them a newer and more powerful computer to run their code but not yours, as whatever system resources you may have WILL be hogged up by Windows' built-in malware. Sooner or later, it bogs down anything you want to do with your computer rather than just what Microsoft wants to do with "your" computer, and with any hardware they make. Absolutely no respect at all for your personal property rights.
i am responding to you right now from linux good sir lmao. I use Linux every day, some day's more than Windows lol. But thanks for showing your big brain and put me in my place ;)
you are amazing for writing an essay. There is no privacy. Do you use a smart phone. Oh right you use a google account which spies on you hence you typed this youtube comment. I use windows because I want to play games without manually installing linux drivers and compatibility patches taking precious free time.
Regarding hardware support, I disagree. Yes, some drivers can be a hassle on Linux, but controllers and printers have a lot less painful experience than on ios or Windows. And do u think Windows always work out of the box with no problem? I wish but that is not true. I have an AMD GPU and amount of times that Windows was deleting GPU drivers is insane. To fix it I was required to go to the registry, which is not a simple task for the common user. Before I tried to turn off driver update in the setting, but most Win setting are either hidden or doesn't do shit. And the amount of control that users have in Windows from year to year is reduced. The problem is not spyware, I agree that if u scared of data leaks just changing the system is not enough. The problem is that u can't do a lot in modern Windows without the command line, like on Linux, because Microsoft locks all control. And a lot of Windows software worked better on Linux for me than on Windows itself, for some reason, oversimplification of the system, and lack of user control. I agree that Linux is more complicated to drive than Windows. But is it worse? No, because both systems have a lot of issues at least with Linux u have a choice with the distro, but in Windows well good luck. In my case I just dual boot or use a virtual machine. Because sometimes I can't rely on both of them. To everybody i would recommend to try linux, at least to know how is it on another side.
But at the same time is Linux all that great, oh I would love it to be true, but if we talk about popular distros - no way, they are awful. It's always Russian roulette. I never had a good experience with Ubuntu, Arch breaks on me every month. Fedoras driver sucks, etc. Only Debian is very outdated or Gentoo is too complex for sane people but gives a lot of control. And Control over the system is what saves Linux for me. But yes don't listen to people who say that Linux is perfect, that is far from true. But it's the same for IOS and Windows.
@@KentsTechWorld Yes, I mean all systems suck in their ways and it's just a matter of personal preference or field of work. And I agree with a lot of things that u said
I don't think it's necessarily more complicated. Most people have grown up in a Windows or Mac environment, so it seems more complicated. Once you are used to your operating system, another won't be as easy for you to use. I knew a guy who grew up with BSD who got super frustrated with the Windows laptop the school provided. At the end of the year, we had to return it in perfectly working order with their install of Windows intact and booting. He took out the hard drive and used Damn Small Linux (an old and lightweight distro) for literally everything that school year until he got his own drive and installed FreeBSD on it. He couldn't use Windows because it just didn't work for him. Everything he wanted to do was harder because he was acclimatized to BSD.
so we go back to the same thing. By that logic there should be no bears as i have never seen them only heard people talking about it lol. I have not had to deal with some of those things myself. but i have talked to 100's of people that have to deal with them, and a small search on the internet will back that up. I have not had a virus on windows for 10 years. but we all know a lot of other people have. So your logic is that they are all lying lol
@@KentsTechWorld You didn't try to challenge his opinion that you are describing a Linux world he doesn't recognize. Instead, you bullied him about how he is wrong and you are right because "hundreds of people" had the issues you described but admit you didn't have yourself. Make an actual argument rather than an appeal to popular opinion based on a strawman and then maybe you will have challenged his opinion.
Thank you for this! It has been the video I needed. I need to buy a new computer soon and I took a deep dive into Linux content to see if it's a better alternative to Win11. Customization out of the box and a curated app store with drivers is amazing as well as the interface designs. And I've seen a lot of positive content about it and I'm certain I could easily run and learn something like Mint or Pop. My main work softwares are Blender and Krita which are native, with blender clearly having better performance on Linux. Lightweight and easy installing! So no reason to even look at Windows! However, I've also seen a lot of tribalism going on, a lot of context and nuance loss and a lot of advanced linux users who get surprised pikachu faces when someone doesn't know what they consider basic knowledge. Can count on one hand the content creators that didn't go "now we open a terminal" when showcasing how easy a distro is. My work content revolves a lot around gaming. I'm getting new gen processors. My friends enjoy multiplayers. The linux apps I need work very well on Win. And UI customization isn't impossible. So why try and make Linux work with the added fear that my changes might break with a new update? I do feel desktop Linux is finally going somewhere (thanks to a corporation and a small vendor) and I hope it improves in 2-3 years. But unless Linux sticks to a maximum of 2 main OS distributions to focus on for the majority of desktop users all this goodwill and development will be forgotten the second the next good Windows version comes out.
i look at it differently. a few apps i run on a daily basis broke when Windows 11 came out, and it still continues to not work (legacy software) where as in wine, they do work as they should. no system is safe when it comes to compatibility, or if you break something yourself, and thats why devs try to get immutable systems in the hands of the average customer - which does make it quite a bit more secure. you cant stop such an amount of people who make distributions in... well... making their distribution, how they like it. most "professional" applications in the linux space only try on ubuntu and fedora (most of the time) which makes your last statement kinda obsolete before it even began existing (no hate for that, though) EDIT: correction, 3 systems, but 2 of them are similar. Ubuntu RHEL Fedora where fedora and RHEL are relatively similar in their software stack and packaging format.
Distributions are communities - people gathered around different ideas, values. Request to destroy communities for your convenience is extremely selfish. Thankfully there is no authority able to do that. Like in real life destruction of communities does not benefit those that survived but makes everyone poorer.
@@KentsTechWorld i dont think its the mentality of linux people alone, but a design philosophy that people also combine with good memories of their youth, maybe? atleast thats what i think of it.
Good analogy with the Air Jordans. There may legitimately be people who, if asked "Do you want Air Jordans or a more comfortable, cheap knock-off", would honestly go for the knock-offs. It provides a good Litmus test for whether someone is looking for function and may be open to adapt or whether they've been brainwashed by a brand or their peers and you should bail.
It is an interesting analogy, and one thing that actually makes sense in the video for a lot of reasons, and can be used for anything, quite literally. The only problem, is that most issues mentioned in this video are more user focused, not the OS itself. Take bob from accounting as the example, where a Linux user copied something on a usb, gave bob the usb and he just ran it. - could also happen through literally any user, ever, on every os - bob and the user could’ve both check the file through virustotal, or through their preferred antivirus (yes, clamav still exists on Linux, and virustotal is browser based anyway) Does that sound like a Linux problem, or more the problem of the users? I generally tend to use Linux, as I don’t have anything that works better on windows, and some things that don’t work quite well when I’m on windows and want to run them through WSL2. On the other side of the coin, whenever someone asks me if Linux is an alternative for them, I always ask for the list of applications the person uses the most, then I list whatever works or doesn’t work, so they can just decide themselves if they want to do the jump - and I explicitly also tell them that dualbooting is possible if they feel like using both. When I set up a games room for conventions, there’s just one device where I actively said „yo guys, there Linux isn’t a good idea“ as it’s some very obscure arcade dump running bad on windows already, and wine has no fighting chance against it. It’s no black and white, and that’s what I dislike about the video, as it sounds like *everyone from camp Linux is a shill and brainwashed*, which is only the vocal minority most of the time.
@@TVPInterpolation Either that or it's a problem with the vendors. No sh*t Linux takes longer for hardware to be compatible when the community can't reimplement the drivers before they're released. Said reimplementation also frequently works off of very limited information, often requiring large reverse-engineering efforts. All of this could be avoided if vendors actually cared enough about Linux to either build the drivers themselves or at least publish their specs early on so that the community can do it for them. But that's where I see a problem with Linux evangelism too, as I don't think that popularity alone will make vendors magically care. If you think it does, you don't understand the industry. Linux doesn't need users, Linux needs vendors. The users will follow.
GUI Linux is not there yet for average user, it is way better than in the past, but not there yet. I agree that lack of software alternatives is a major problem, would be awesome to have IT giants start providing Linux versions of their free and paid software, but until Linux desktop will have some significant amount of Desktop users there is no money and interest in that, unfortunately. Probably at 5-10% of global PC users will have to use Desktop Linux to start some movement in big companies towards Linux, now it is somewhere below 3%, and maybe in this year will cross 3%.
I recently switched back to Linux. I am much happier with Linux. However, the exact same hardware runs faster and smoother in Windows. I hated the forced Windows updates. It is my computer not Microsoft. I play almost all the same games as I did in Windows. But my preference of games tend to be really old. Never the AAA's. I love Linux. I prefer Linux. For me Linux is almost always easier to deal with. Yet, I think the rest of the world probably should just stick to Windows. They have already been brainwashed to that environment so the hardware, software, assistance, spyware, viruses, ransomware and any other forms of malware are just easier to get on Windows. Good luck out there, and stay safe.
Crying about updating and then being concerned about viruses and malware is just a hilarious idea... Yes the rest of the world wants an actual working os while you fight the good fight with outdated software 😂
@@kolz4ever1980 I do update. I just prefer to choose rather than be forced and lose my working environment. Often I will have multiple browser tabs, file browsing windows, and various files open for edit across 2 or 3 virtual desktops. And be accustom to where I currently have them placed. A forced reboot or even relog of my Desktop can set me back at least an hour. Sometimes I don't relog or reboot for months at a time. Anytime I consider shutting down or rebooting, I strongly consider updates.
@@lucius_hilley3 You might enjoy an immutable OS like Fedora Silverblue. Since the software that updates is usually a flatpak, it doesn't often require a reboot. Even if you do install an update that does require a reboot, you won't be forced to reboot. And, since none of your working software has actually been changed until the reboot you can just keep working without any issues.
Tech is simultaneously a good set of cuffs and good set of chain cutters. Sure makes it easy for people to reinforce their beliefs, especially when talking about a tool they use in a way it was never intended to be used in such as U*NIX in the desktop. Then again, what are these companies supposed to do, come together to create the best OS possible for desktop computers and another OS for servers/dev environments while eliminating the cruft (outside device support) they justify every year because sizzlers fit for commercials and "poggers so amaze" 4/10 UI we've been stuck with for 30 years? They'd lose so much $$$ actually making computers "personal" just by encouraging people to reenact Terry A Davis with offline computing and not mindlessly indulging in distractions courtesy of the one of 5-10 platforms on "the internet" that get 95% of our online attention. That's why the web would be the last "operating system" ever if they really wanted to just to maximize profits, but they enjoy watching the OS discourse from afar while taking our freedoms because that just makes the big four (Google, Microsoft, Apple, IBM) so much $$$.
I personally prefer to use Windows 10 on my gaming PC and Fedora Mate on my HTPC. I use my gaming PC exclusively for gaming and my HTPC for everything else and it's perfect for me although the way things are going with Windows i'm seriously considering installing Arch on my gaming PC. I've experimented with gaming on Arch in the past and found the experience to be really great although not perfect.
There are brainwashed and biased people on all sides. There are pros and cons to pretty much anything. In some ways, Linux is better than Windows and MacOS, in some ways, Windows is better, in some ways MacOS is better... If someone tells you : "This OS/distro is the best." It may be for them. But people have different use cases. What may be beneficial for them may not bother you at all, things that may be drawbacks for you may not bother them. We should always consider use cases and acknowledge the existence of alternatives. Similar thing can be said about smartphone wars. Some people prefer iPhones and that's okay, but they shouldn't spread misinformation and biased prejudices about Android devices. Same thing can be said about Android users. Either side should be aware that their prefered device/eco system is not flawless. Some people seem unable to take constructive criticism, but it's necessary if we want things to improve. And there is pretty much always room for improvement.
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I run Linux as my main daily driver everyday. You talk about "sacrifice", however this is a function of Microsoft's campaign of embrace, extend and extinguish. You make the same sacrifices running Macs as the software selection is limited too. Quite simply, I find that most of your arguments is that Windows is better due to having more software and therefore is more convenient. While this is true, I think Linux is better despite the lack of software. By the way, I'm proof that careers do not suffer due to knowing Linux. Developing on Linux makes it infinitely easier to deploy on Linux.
Where am I saying your career suffer from learning linux?? I got a job from this channel talking linux. I have said that only focusing on linux, or only want to work on linux can limit you and or not get you the jobs you want.
I think this video was more to say why most people don't use Linux. I like it a lot too, but we gotta be honest to ourselves and admit we're nerds who don't mind the kinks and difficulties. Linux is far from perfect, even if it's the best for our uses.
I think the comparison is really apples and oranges here. On one hand you have one of the biggest tech corporations in the world engaging in everything they can muster to get as many people as possible stuck on their OS, and on the other you have what's largely a community volunteer effort to recreate that entire software stack to make desktop use viable and to provide user support. Linux on the desktop is doing an incredible job given the circumstances. I'm not going to deny that there are inconveniences on Linux but it seems a bit gauche to complain about it considering that it's free and anyone is welcome to help make it better. Also, if you care about FOSS and privacy, Linux is still the better choice even if you end up using a bunch of non-free and non-secure websites/apps, because other applications/utilities that you use (that integrate well with the underlying system) are more likely to be non-free and abuse telemetry on Windows than on Linux. This proprietary, antisocial philosophy tends to infect developers who have spent their entire lives steeped in a proprietary ecosystem. Whereas developers on Linux who have an appreciation for the FOSS work that others have done are more likely to feel compelled to give back.
linux is made possible by those same companies. If you care about privacy, go off the internet, burn you credit care, never use healthcare. A software license don't mean something is bad or not, it's the people using it. there are sooooo many great privacy friendly closed sourced software out there, and they are working with their users and let them help and so on. Also the users of a FOSS software alsmot never give give back, that is mostly the devs that do that. All you are saying it propaganda said by FOSS with no real evidence of it being real, but a lot that it's not. Most open source projects biggest contributors are big companies and most of those are big proprietary companies. Only small projects are still relying on it's users.
@@KentsTechWorld Proprietary security/privacy focused apps are much too "just trust me bro" for me. It does not inspire confidence. You might be familiar with the cryptographic concept of a "nothing up my sleeve number" and I think at the very least open-sourcing your security app (even if it's not FOSS licensed) is a "nothing up my sleeve" gesture. This doesn't prevent vulnerabilities, but it makes it harder to hide intentional backdoors/telemetry. You are right though, completely disconnecting from the internet and ideally going totally off-grid is the most private/secure way to go through life, but let's not pretend like this is feasible in the way that running Linux is feasible. "Totally ignore privacy" vs. "live off-grid" is a false dichotomy. In reality it's almost always a compromise for anyone who is remotely privacy-conscious, and choosing to use an OS that isn't going to spy on you is a totally reasonable choice to make here. Note that I only said that FOSS users are *more* likely to give back, whether it's to the software they use or open sourcing their own projects. With closed-source stuff, it's impossible to give back beyond submitting bug reports unless you're lucky enough to be brought on as a developer and granted access to the code. With FOSS, usually the only thing that can really prevent you from contributing actual code is your skill level. Whether or not the project is sponsored or worked on by corporations doesn't change this. I think it's also irrelevant whether these companies who contribute to FOSS are also making money off of proprietary software. Like IBM apparently contributes to GNOME, despite them also releasing the proprietary AIX, but I'm not talking about using AIX. Likewise with Microsoft and (FOSS builds of) VS Code or Roslyn. What matters to me is A) "is this software going to respect my freedom and privacy?" and B) "am I monetarily contributing to the development of proprietary software?".
@@KentsTechWorld oh boy. just because big companies also contribute to it, doesnt mean they carry the entirety of those projects. that would be hugely disregarding the people who worked to get it even to the point of interest of big companies.
@@TVPInterpolation if someone do 60% or most of the work, they carry the work ;) and big companies do a lot if not most of the work on linux besides Linus. and it's like that with a lot of open source projects, it's the main devs, then companies/paid devs from them and then everyone else.
I agree with you. I have been involved with Windows,Mac, ChromeOS, IOS, Android and Linux. Linux does not compare with the mainstream OSs. Its a niche place and will remain that way. All the software Devs will be focused on Win, Mac, Android and IOS. Linux does not have enough users for the Devs to care about. The software available on Linux compares poorly to the mainstream OS. This is the sad reality. Linux is simply an IT playground for the Devs.
If ure online ure being tracked and stuff even if u are on linux thats true. But the point abt telemetry is not that. If ure on windows using proprietary softwre with built in telemetry all the softwere on your machine is communicating with its own server to send data and it slows down your machine. And do not have any doubt, all the proprietary garbage does that including your image viewer, your music player, your image manipulation softwer, your pdf viewer, even your operating system (!windows!) itself, everything which has built in telemetry. Isnt it anoying when you cant wait your computer to boot up and be ready use? Its all because telemetry. On the other hand if ure on linux using free software NOT including telemetry, quess wht? Your machine is fast like lighting bb ;)
the boot time is not telemetry, but slow hardware. My windows boot as fast as linux sometimes even faster, the same at work. I don't know what you do to your windows install. but if a boot time under 10 sek is slow, something is wrong with your math
@@KentsTechWorld yes, ure right actually. I was not clear enough. What i really meant is that i have to wait a lot once the machine is booted. I assume its because of the bunch of proprietary software starting to communicate with its server, and therefore i have to wait to be able to launch a browser forexample. I really think that the real problem with telemetry is that once u reach the critical number of proprietary softwer installed with built in telemetry, it is those softwer using your machine instead of you, and this prevent you to get ur job done smoothly. Thats the problem,and this problem does not exist if ure on linux using FOSS. Other then that i dont give a crap if someone spying on me, we re living in a world like that like it or not, and its not going to be any good. Just as you said no matter wht OS u use, once ure online, ure being tracked.
@@kovacsalbert3950 your bot time is slow mostly for hardware reasons, or a corrupted install, or bad drivers, or not proper instaled/uninstalled drivers. Windows boot up the bear system first, then drivers, then UI, then apps. So if you have a hardware problem(like RAM, windows really don't like bad RAM) it ca nbe slow as it's trying to "fix" it during boot. or if it's trying to load a drive that is bad or only part of it is there or not there. You get the idea. Your boot up time is not a FOSS vs this or that issue, it's a computer issue. (I had had kinda the same problem where linux would boot fine and windows not, and it was down to one bad RAM stick)
you can not be a gamer and care about privacy, as almost every game or AAA games are way worse that windows about everything, you don't even own your games anymore, and if you use steam, you have yet another party that prob you. And you don't own anything on steam.
@@KentsTechWorld that... is kinda wrong imo. not every linux user or someone who prefers FOSS is calling it the second coming of christ or something. there are a ton of people just running linux without even mentioning they run linux, and go on with their days, same as users of windows and macOS. i could also point the entire discussion towards "windows sheeps" who lie to people about how nice the newest version of windows must be. i believe its all a matter of preference. Many many AAA games are getting worse by the day (not only because of rootkit Anti Cheats, i mean in general), so i also expect that gamer who are privacy-minded would rather go with Indie Games (or dualboot, with no important data on the windows drive) to still have their fun. its not black and white, theres always an in-between.
@@TVPInterpolation 1 i was being openly sarcastic. But if the majority of people are like that then it's more the norm than not. and in my 25 years of running linux, and talking to 100's of linux users over the years and non linux users. that is more the norm then not. So if you want to change that picture linux users have in non linux users mind, you as a community go and change it, and don't just look a way and excuse it. as you all have been doing for to long. There are great linux users out there, you just almost never hear from them or they are not that many. So instead of saying i am wrong, why not take it to heart and say "oh if this is how people look at us, we need to change that for the better"
Linux only grows and grows. Open-source is quite simply the only possible future. Existing solutions can surely be improved, but the only possible future is named open-source. You, of all, should know this.
Linux has been hovering between 2 and 3% for years and years and years, it is not growing by any means. AMD keeps getting kicked in the teeth every other generation in the CPU market and still has yet to ever take the performance crown for their GPUs, despite their open source drivers. Photoshop is still the biggest image editor, FL Studio the biggest DAW, etc. Gaming is still years behind, as Kent said. If anything, FOSS is shrinking as computers keep getting more widely distributed to people who don't care. It has always been and will always be a fringe design philosophy for tech nerds and Stallman fanatics.
@@plebisMaximus Since we're Stallman stans, it is also worth pointing that Open Source is no better than Proprietary Crap and Open Source is not Free Software. Literally nothing is gained if "Open Source" becomes mainstream, no one cares about looking into the code if the Freedoms arent possible. AOSP is "Open Source" but what freedoms does it grant to the Joe and Josephine? So if Open Source is the future, I would rather stay with proprietary crap, since atleast proprietary would be more optimised 🤣
Much like Linux, Open Source has grown and seems to be slowly taking over... ...in the back end. It's reliable and cheap for the people that work with it and the work produced using Open Source software is largely not eligible to it's licenses. But whenever it comes to the front end/the consumer market, the narrative suddenly changes such that the tightest of lockdowns are applied and the user is milked for as much money and data as possible. I additionally believe that desktop Linux has also remained stagnant for years because no large enough industry entity has successfully marketed it to the consumer yet. Add to that clichés both old and new of Linux and it's community (as somewhat fostered by community enthusiasts over the years) and you have a label with a 30 years of bad reputation that's hard to get rid of. As such, most who do try to widely install Linux-based systems in consumer space mention it's relation to Linux in passing at best (e.g. Valve) or distance themselves from it at worst (e.g. Google, Huawei). Linux and Open Source are only the future in so far as they can be exploited as a nameless tool for the proprietary industry.
this comment just show how right i am lmao. It's like saying "i am right cos you are stupid" If you really thing i am getting paid you have no idea how paid sponsorship works and how the youtube rules are :D i would get kicked off if is don't openly tell youtube and the viewers that it's a sponsored video lmao. Never change, show the world how crazy linux people are lmao. BTW proud linux user of 25+ years lol
@@KentsTechWorld Yeah. We do know how promotions, paid sponsors, and ads work. We also know that RUclips was banning people for using the word "Linux" too much not that long ago. I think it was 2021. There are videos about it happening. There are also documents from Microsoft describing their intentional use of FUD and propaganda that sound exactly like your video. In this context, it is reasonable to ask how much Microsoft is paying you. They actually pay people to make videos like this one.
@@KentsTechWorld Insulting me by calling me stupid just goes to show how childish and immature you are. I really don't see how you and your inflated ego can fit into the same room.
its horrible. its awesome. hmmm. im trying to get my cnc mill going again. at least five years since my xp machine died. why xp? something about firewalls and the software being rather nasty kernelwise... xp was the last easy one to use. and parallel ports are getting real hard to find. usb to parallel dont work in this case. unless you pay lots. and i still have the issue of a system that will actually run the software. whatever. i was running zorin7 back then, as XP died and win& took over already, and imagine my surprise when i found linux multimedia studio wouldnt run on linux. without resorting to jack... and all i really wound up doing was corrupting my system with sudo aptgets and autopurges, blah blah... format the hard drive and reinstall was the only way i got it to run again... minus any attempt to run LMMS on it this time. so, as time goes by...windows is hostile, and linux is a mess. i feel i cant use either. and im not touching mac. ever. i no longer do much on a computer besides read emails, watch youtube, and buy things. its too frustrating. all my old programs so well loved, obsolete, unrunnable. anything new involves hours, days, weeks of scouring forums boards, endless attempts to get something to happen in terminal... back to the cnc mill... trying to install linuxcnc... from making the first choice, as they talk about kernels and how one option works but dont use it but the other option doesnt work but use it unless you want to try the other otpion in which case dont try either... wtf? and theres only one download anyway? then somewhere i came across a random comment on a forum board, about python 2.7 being obsolete, 20.04 LTS using 3.**, and it wont run it... anyway... created a bootable disk, ended up getting a linuxcnc screen...and that was it. a screen, with a black square obscuring it, and after half an hour, powered down. so the flash drive becomes unrecognisable, had to do a mkfs.vfat on it to even get it to register. um... fdisk -l shows all these loops that have appeared from nowhere. forum boards say theyre form "snaps", but mine dont list as being created by anything, or belonging to anything. just /dev/loop, ad nauseuem. annnd, finally, i now have 2 new directories or drives that were never there before, 66 and 77mb... cant seem to delete them, format them, access them... so yeah. instead of using my cnc mill to MAKE something, im back to spending weeks in a depressing psychotic spiral of hair pulling and crying myself to sleep... just give up, go back to watching youtube, as theres only so many times you can turn a PC on and off again without losing it and finding a hammer to "fix" it with... i already "fixed" a pc with my foot last night... but it was the old XP machine, already known as dead...
it does, provided you select your hardware appropriately and start playing with your computer day and night (not play on it) like its a toy and not an instrument to get work done. lol
@@Marko-pg8ms That's not really how modern advertising works. I can ignore them, but they will work on other people. Also, ignoring the ads is still data sent back to Microsoft, used to give me better ads. Heck, sometimes the ads take up usable screen real estate and get in the way. Do I really want my default browser changing back to edge all the time? Why would I want to use an operating system that doesn't respect which software I want to use and shoves ads in my face wherever it can?
Man, you went typical linux-noob route and now you're trying to cure people's brains? Wow...I wonder if you ever typed "man xrandr" in the terminal....The screenschot to your left has the wrong resolution :)
OMG you really have no idea do you lmao. It's a img from google lmao. everyone knows it. also i don't have a distro running from 1997 lol. Man can't you tell the world you are a noob more with out saying you a noob. BTW that would make me a 25+ years linux user lol. and i have installed more distros and compiled more software than you have ate food lol.
I see a lot of Linux sheep and brainwashed people. I used to be one of you till I took common sense to the knee lmao
A lot of Apple brainwashed people as well lol.
@@tonywise198 That sounds like a civil war waiting to happen
I agree with most of what you're saying but also think you're neglecting that some people just want to run Linux (on the desktop) for the fun and challenging aspects of it, not as a stance against windows or telemetry.
Majority of Linux users switched from Windows because they hate Windows. And they have found solution with Linux.
Pretending like everyone has similar needs, calling them "sheeps" is not smart.
As you spread the Windows brainwashing yourself. Common sense blows holes all through your arguments against common sense in this video, as outlined in my comment below.
I am running my 13 years old MacBook Pro with Linux Mint for many years. The Macbook is no longer supported by Apple anymore, it should be in the landfill according to Apple.
But Linux kept it working, I am still using it as daily drive. I learnt and use GIMP, Inkscape, Blender, MySQL, Python, Birdfont on this machine, I use Libreoffice, Filezilla, Remmina, Thunderbird, Firefox, Joplin daily.
Unfortunately the screen developed some hardware issue, which is common among Macbook this age, other than that I am happy, having a lot of fun using Linux.
Currently, I have 3 desktop running Linux in my office, and that saves me a lot of money.
Some people may have bad experience using Linux, So far my experience had been very positive.
To be honest, much of my time spent with software is spent in Linux. I love messing around with different distros, desktop environments, window managers etc. All I really need is a web-browser, Steam, Emulators and VIM; Linux fulfils that purpose. Windows just doesn't really have the advantage it used to have for such long time any more, especially with gaming.
i wish you are right when it comes to gaming, the fact is that most games don't work under linux, most of the top played online games don't work, and most 3rd party software gamers use like LED integration and so on don't work.
Most of the games i play don't work or don't run as well as under windows.
@@KentsTechWorld
Then use Windows.
For those of us playing games from the 80%+ of games on steam that run in Linux, it is fine for us. (Statistic is from 2021 and is higher now.)
It's not most games. It's the most of the particular selection of games YOU play that have anti-player policies. But who knows? Maybe you play Roblox, the developers of which are intentionally blocking Linux in their newest update. That's right. Blame Linux when it is the developers making a conscious choice to block Linux users.
@Kent's Tech World Yeah I don't really care about RGB, I know some people do. Generally I stick to buying hardware which is designed for Linux when I go out shopping; I even replaced my Nvidia GPU with AMD so I can use Wayland without any issues.
Thanks for the insight. I agree with all of the points in your video. There was another Linux RUclipsr that I frequently watch as well that also brings up a critical point: One of the biggest problems in the Linux user community that often happens in promoting Linux is that it is often overpromised with claims and then is under-delivered when the new user actually goes to use Linux and it can’t perform a certain task or doesn’t work at all in the same way that user expected it to. The key of presenting Linux to someone is by presenting it as an alternative to Windows and macOS, rather than as a direct replacement for either OS, and also just being honest about what Linux can and can’t quite do yet depending on the actual needs of the user in question. That way then it’ll help to tamper the new user’s expectations if they are legitimately still interested in trying Linux.
Once again, thanks for the insights on your video. You have some excellent points and I have learned a lot so far in watching your channel. I hope you have a good one.
I use GNU/Linux as my daily driver in lectures, class, video editing, picture layouts and research. The best decision that I ever had. Why? No ads, no malware, no spyware, no lockouts and the list goes on. Gadgets. No problem too. It functions the way it should be. I have the reviews in my channels in odysee and youtube. Smart board, no problem. Air USB mouse, it works like is should be. Bluetooth headphones, no problem too. Printers at school and cafe or hotel, got no problems with connectivity. Lectures on-line and on-site, no interruption with ads popping up. In Windows, a lot. And I need to add extensions to stop interrupting me. That's why I've moved from Windows out to GNU/Linux only in 2019. Until now, I don't delete my Windows because I still needs comparison for my lectures in computer and science. I may not be an expect but it made my life much enjoyable compare to Windows. That's my take as my reality of running in Linux. ☮
what are you using as a video editor to be curious?
@@jimmyneutron129 KDEnLive in all my video editing.
The only way you would get malware or spyware on windows is only due to skill issues and being not good with technology or downloading pirated programs.
@@rdg665 so if skill issue is to only way to blame. I brought my windows laptop in a computer shop that is well-known thought out the country and still not yet modified it and still got infected with malware and spyware. that leads that it is all original state. what would be the cause of this discover of this issue? this is way computer shops suggest that don't modify anything for two weeks before do real changes in the software and hardware to secure if any issues may occur. And at the same time, we are not perfect in any ways.
used linux in the late 90s myself started off red hat and i do remember blue curve and i have the gnome version of it too...i have also used other OSes like Openstep in the late 90s that introduce me to FreeBSD and other bsd and also Debian in 2000 like knoppix and also had issues like sound work, but only playing out the left speaker in the 09 times i would use linux mint as it had good hardware support.. i also used fedora core from the start like in 2004 and tried every release up to 38 and also every release of ubuntu in 2003 and use every release up to 23.04... i also try slackware, gentoo, arch linux, crux linux LFS kali linux, a bunch of arch based distro .. mx linux .. antiX etc u name it.... i still use linux, but i use windows 11 for everything and just run Win-KeX kali linux desktop inside WSL2 and its freaking amazing, but yes i use macOS on my mac m1 mini and i use fedora 38 on one of my desktop .. windows 11 on 2 of my pc and macOS on mac hardware i use a lot of different systems and honestly each has its good purpose of me having them all or if i need a certain OS to get a task / job done.
Good video. Well thought out and presented. Thanks. 🙂
you not a good linux user, you should be angry over i did not say linux is better than life. and would make it's users more handsome, and get all them girls lol
@@KentsTechWorld You appear to be profiling Linux users. We are not all the same. 😛
So do linux user to Windows user. We are not the same 👽
i have tried to switch to linux, but all the customizability also leaves alot of room to ruin the system. And dual booting if you forget to use it for awhile, you just dont get an easy upgrade path other then clean install which is frustrating. I erased my dual boot
Linux desktop is for private use. You don’t get the industry standard tools that you must use most of the time. But that’s commercial software and the community doesn’t want to support that. So it’s going to stay a hobby OS.
exactly....
agreed,
but also i can't dual boot.
i install only fedora on my main laptop 😆, i don't want it in VM "as alternative".
i mean i have windows machine and, and hopefully try to own macbook haha.
i think that's a sweetspot for me, at least for now.
IBM was so correct in its statement years ago. Its belief that in the future there is going to be one pc is so true.
I switched to Linux almost 2 months ago after using Windows as long as I've used computers (21 years old and I started with XP) and I'm mostly satisfied. My Bluetooth headphones and Xbox controller (the latter requiring an additional driver for Bluetooth that was easy to install) both work fine but I can only connect one at a time on Pop!_OS. Also, the Brother printer administration software, which is Windows-exclusive, doesn't run under Wine. All of the games I play on PC run very well under Proton, sometimes better than natively on Windows.
Give it time lol. I remember my first few years, was so amazing.
@@KentsTechWorld I've switched to Linux in 2008, it is getting even better.
@@sergeykish linux is getting better, so is any other OS, so it's not a good point :)
While just switching to linux reduces spying only so much, it can be combined with using privacy oriented browser/preset.
still will only get you 10% of where you wan to go
I got a new rig recently, mixed-use for gaming and development, 7950X3D with 64GB RAM and a 4080. And I put Linux on it, while being fully prepared to do a dual-boot and/or set up a dedicated Windows gaming VM with PCIe passthrough.
But well, I so far I just haven't had to. I've been playing dozens of games from my steam library without checking on protondb first and have only encountered one that didn't work (some random game called Unravel Two that I thought might be fun in local co-op, nothing I can't live without). I also got stable diffusion going and have been generating images on my GPU, which is one of the reasons I went Nvidia. Runs great (with the proprietary drivers).
To be fair, the only competitive online games I play are fighting games, no FPS of any kind, so I don't know much about the experience you'd have there. But anecdotally, for me, it's been great. Other than some minor issues with the OS itself that I think are mostly because my hardware is very new. Debian stable won't boot at all, Nobara Linux has been doing great with only very minor problems, and I'm considering switching to CachyOS which I'm hoping will run even better.
Also sidenote, there's plenty of open-source software that is not just a knock-off of a proprietary product but can stand on its own as a great choice which is also used outside the Linux ecosystem. For example: Blender, Krita and Inkscape.
There is alot of great open source programs, the problem is that if someone wants,need or desire one program that's not any of those, they don't care. People need those other programs for the ecosystem, the name, it's what they know, it's what just works for them etc, why should we tell them they can't use their favourite software, when they should be able to as the can on the other two operating systems. Well we should not.
It would nbe like me telling you to buy a new pc as Intel is better today and won't blow up your cpu and motherboard 😛😛
@@KentsTechWorld Haha, yeah the whole CPU blowing up stuff came out days after I got this stuff, and I have an ASUS motherboard too xD But well, I left EXPO off for a while until a non-beta BIOS came out and have since carefully turned it on, hopefully gonna be fine.
As for the main point, yeah I agree, nobody should be forced to do anything. Although personally if I had to run Photoshop or whatever I'd go try the passthrough VM after all, cause Windows just can't give me the same daily desktop experience as something like KDE.
I tried Linux on my three year old laptop and it won't even shut down all the way. Might try this virtual machine route.
After years of prevaricating, a couple of months ago I made the switch to Linux Mint 21.1 from W.10. The main thing that had kept me on Windows for so long was my dependency on Outlook and the 10GB+ .pst file that I constantly used as a reference. So when my W.10 laptop started to deteriorate, rather than wait for it to fail I bought a replacement 2022 model Asus running W.11. I made sure everything was OK hardware wise, then blatted over W.11 with LM. All seemed OK except that there was no sound - which had worked fine under Windows. Using Linux I get sound through Bluetooth or wired to the audio jack, so not a terrible problem. The LM forums had posts relating to my exact h/w and sound problem, and it seems to be related to the Pulse Audio s/w but also to the Asus BIOS. As one post suggested, I changed the Linux kernel from 5.x to 6.x OEM. I still need to see if a BIOS update is available. I won't however be manually updating or otherwise adding lines of code to various system files as some of the forum posts suggest. I need this machine to be stable. Oh, the other thing that I did was to install VirtualBox and I can, if needed, run W.11 and Outlook just for reference. I now run Thunderbird on Linux as my email client.
Two months in and I really like running Linux. No telemetry, updates applied when I want them to be, reasonably light-weight (well, compared to Windows). Not so good: the sound issue, battery management, load dependant CPU ramp up/down (despite running auto-cpufreq - now I might play with that a bit...) to name a few.
Great video, thanks for posting.
There's a lot of BS over certain Linux Distros, but again, I would reiterate that anyone should just use the OS that suits the task at hand. I use Linux and Windows but don't use a Mac (purely for cost considerations). It's the "I use Arch BTW" brigade (see comment below)and the like that get up my nose. Snobs for no reason, who are their own worst enemy.
Oh. You run Arch? That's cute. Want to see my Gentoo laptop? Excuse me one moment. I just have to update my NixOS server.
(BTW, my laptop is currently running Arch because I decided the processor is too slow to be compiling everything, even though I loved every minute on Gentoo.)
I only ran into this stupid Arch meme when I rejoined the Linux world in January. I honestly do not understand it at all. I installed Arch on a netbook in 2012. It wasn't hard. There was a tutorial on their website. It's no harder than following a recipe for cupcakes with delicious cream cheese icing.
I use Arch because I enjoy pacman, makepkg, AUR, rolling release. Arch provides me stable base, by comparison Ubuntu was destroyed with my experiments.
It is not hard to install but I recommend it only to experienced users. Probably there are other distros that solves my needs.
I am really surprised by "snobism", always red it as harmless funboy comment, not different from "I use Ubuntu".
@@sergeykish
Have you tried Nix? It's actually a fantastic containerized repo. I was surprised it wasn't just hype.
Spying: Running Linux on its own won't stop it. But, you can get browsers like Librewolf and implement smart habits to avoid it. You also don't get ads in your start menu and you can change your wallpaper without paying another $50 (which is what MS wanted to charge me on Windows 10 to get that function).
Software: More software doesn't matter. What matters is the functionality. You have a lot of incredibly functional software that works as well or better, but it depends upon what you are doing.
Hardware: Yep. Lots of manufacturers domt provide drivers for Linux. That's a hardware problem. You wouldn't buy Windows-only hardware for a Mac and expect it to work. Why would you for Linux? My Windows-only webcam is somehow plug n play in Linux, despite the closed drivers. So... Who knows? Do research.
Specialty Software: If you use PS and Adobe software for a living and rely upon features in that software, use Windows or Mac. If you are an average user, GIMP/Krita is fine.
Crashes and Issues: My Windows install had a virus after 30 minutes of use and all I did was install official drivers from Lenovo. The last time my Linux had a virus was never. The last time my Windows, which only has Microsoft software installed, crashed was 2 hours after running it. The last time my Linux crashed was when I personally screwed up a config file in Gentoo. My Ubuntu server has been running for weeks. My Arch laptop has yet to crash after several months.
Virus scanner: No. I don't need one. If i share a file with a Windows user, it makes more sense for them to have the virus scanner. You made a very incorrect analogy. It's more like I'm a server in a cafeteria and someone with small pox infected the area around my cash register. Then an immunocompromised person came up, took a dozen deep breaths, licked the cash register, and kissed the person with small pox. I didn't infect that person and I don't infect Windows users. Also, when am i ever sharing files to Windows users that aren't files I created or trust? Oh! Here's a copy of the latest Marvel movie. Filename: RealMarvelMoviexXxXx_0002.exe
Support: No. Supper is better with Linux, but it's also dependent upon your distribution. Ubuntu, Arch, Gentoo, and Fedora have great support. RHEL has fantastic support. So does SLED. With Windows, I upgraded my RAM and video card and they told me i had to buy a new license because that was a new computer. Sod off, Microsoft.
Games: Yeah. Anti cheat screws over Windows users, too. You know not everyone uses computers for games, right? The average computer user just uses their comouter as a means of accessing a browser. Even still, why would you expect software coded for use on a different OS to work on your OS? The fact that Linux runs any Windows games is a major feat of programming. The games it will run are a boon to the OS. If you want to cherry pick examples that dont work, I can do the same for Mac software and Linux software that will not work in Windows outside virtualization, too.
Why not talk about the extremely awesome use cases for Linux in addition to your opinion of the shortxomings? Your video made it sound like there is nothing good about Linux OSes. Ive been using it as long as you have. I've used Windows and Mac, like you have. I came to the opposite conclusion, which is that Linux is far superior to the other operating systems in almost every way. One of my favourite ways is my fully functioning hardware will be supported for the foreseeable future. I cant say that for Windows or MacOS.
I was about to make similar points, you’ve just saved me from the trouble. The video’s pure gold but misleading and plainly wrong in some areas: I’m running the three OSs for different purposes. Regarding Windows, I just don’t wanna be (key)logged o forced to use certain browser or suite every time I use my PERSONAL computer. Linux on the other hand is a relief when I’m managing my personal stuff, of course is more private and secure, miles ahead from Windows 10/11 Home at least.
Thing is fingerprinting is almost today unavoidable
@@jimmyneutron129
Yeah. But why make it worse if you don't have to?
I should rewatch this video with the softened view I have on this video, having now come to more of an understanding of Kent's POV. I will likely still disagree a great deal.
I'm not an educated person in computing at all but since the first time I tried linux (ubuntu 4.10) in 2004, when installing stuff in windows through usb was a pain in the back, my canon eos350 camera and printer pixma 2000 were detected and working 100% both hardware and software things changed completely in my mind. I have been out of windows for almost 4 years and no regrets..that's it..
16:00 About the WIndows Server vs Linux example:
i dont agree to this point at all. there are also a dozen of different versions of ubuntu, for example.
normal ubuntu for the user, then theres Ubuntu Core, Ubuntu IoT, and others.
if we want to apply this logic:
Windows Server also runs on the NT Kernel, which also runs on Home Versions of Windows, and also have a graphical interface - just additional features to manage servers, so in essence: isnt that the same? that Windows is a System made for the desktop, retrofitted into the server space, so it isnt made for that on first sight.
see the issue in that logic?
Windows, and Linux, can run both on Servers and Desktops, depending for their usecase, they can be better or worse than each other.
As you said for Windows Server and Windows Home/Pro, they are different targets, which can also be handled in the linux and macOS space. thats why there are so many different distributions (or, in windows called SKUs) to handle different parts of workflows.
please dont see that as hate, as its a good idea to discuss those thoughts, but most of the points made in the video are kinda... how can i say this - missing the mark or point to "wrong" people and not the OS itself that got discussed here.
For Example:
11:00 - User goes into config files - this can also happen on windows, people brick their systems all the time with "debloating windows" while they dont know what they do.
4:40 - you also had to purposefully buy hardware for windows "back in the day" (remember the time when gaming advanced to 3d and everybody had to buy voodoo cards, or audio chips specific for certain games like FF7 to let them sound properly?) - and the continued development on all sides (windows, linux) makes it easier to not give any thought about it for the general consumer
another timestamp i cant find right now (sorry) would be the linux user putting something on a thumbdrive and give it to bob in accounting: that also can happen by a windows user, as i bet the linux user didnt execute it in your example, so blaming the OS for that is kinda off-limits at this point.
He also gave a stupid example of being infected with an actual disease and giving it to someone then blaming them for not being immune or some nonsense. Sorry, but a better example to running Windows without anti malware would be an immunocompromised person licking a bunch of plague victims then blaming the nursing staff for letting them lick the plague victims. It's 2023. At this point, anyone running Windows should know it is immunocompromised and take precautions like running, at the very least, Windows Defender.
I think he also made the point that Linux gets viruses but they aren't as common because people aren't using Linux. Excuse me, but banks, governments, and organizations like NASA run Linux. Linux runs 75% or more of all devices on the planet. Those are all much bigger and more valuable targets than grandma and her collection of family photos. The fact of the matter is it is harder to exploit and harder to run viruses in Linux. That's why all of the most critical work is done with Linux and BSD, not Windows.
@@davidturcotte831 while I do understand what you want to say, the way you wrote it sounds rather passive-aggressive and doesn’t really help in this discussion. This is the kind of behaviour (no front, just kinda unlucky) which is mentioned in many discussion about W10/11 vs linux vs macOS, that won’t really give it a unbiased view.
@@TVPInterpolation
I was pissed off at a terrible video that looks like it could have been written by Microsoft. What doesn't help the discussion is the fact that every point he made in the video is incorrect in 2023 and his virus analogy is insulting bullshit.
I like your train of thought about Linux and you're spot on.
I've been trying Linux since the mid 90s and never felt it was up to snuff until a few years ago. Back then, it was "Oh this is novel". It sort of works but at the same time it was a lot of stuffing around to get some things working right. A few years back I tried Zorin OS which changed my perception on the Linux desktop. I swapped over full time to Linux for about 6 months, but realised I can't do without Windows as well. Just for the fact that some hardware won't run in Linux or there's no equivalent program for that hardware. So I'm still stuck with dual booting or having a dedicated Windows machine hanging around (which is what I do).
As for reliability, as much as I want to love Linux I get more crashes on Linux than I ever did one Windows. And as you said, it can be very random. I find every time I'm trying to encode a video on Linux using Handbrake, I leave it going only to find when I come back the machines rebooted sometimes. Yet running handbrake in windows on the same machine I have no issues.
I also find when I'm at motels and using their wifi, that the wifi won't let me connect if I'm running Linux. Again, same machine running windows and it connects. Weird stuff indeed.
But overall, I still try and use Linux where I can. Although I've never had Unicorns shitting all over my screen LOL
I didn't get the point, people who stick to linux are those who decided to use it completely knowing and accepting its cons, they were able to find some value to do so .... something like they might be Intrested in new technology like immutable os, distrobox, kernel live patching...etc or by people trying to enhance their technical skill by contributing something like that
Anyone who don't like it, they just going to move on.
What's the point to dedicate a channel just to rant on pointless ... If you are trying to say that due to some sick psychology you wasted your precious time by using linux simply by believing some nonsense things which is completely only in your head... I just like to warn you that you repeating the same mistake again.
You are experienced wise man instead of pointless rant on linux pls use your time to enlighten us with something useful
The point is to not lie or BS people about linux. And pretend it's this best OS ever to be made.
And i did not say anything bad about linux i just said some things that people should be aware of when using linux that not enough people talk about. I did not say they should not use it or it was pointless to use it, just that here are some points to be ware of
My channel is far from what you are saying. I have many videos about how to do things in linux and learning about linux and windows. I do many livestreams where i mostly talk about linux and help people with linux. The archive is just members only, but the stream when it's live is for everyone :)
A second point of the video is to get people like you to comment like this, to show how sensitive linux people are, and how every time someone is not massively positive about it, and telling everyone they should use it.
People like you will come out and white knight for it, instead of just saying "i don't care if others don't like it or use it".
This is not a anti linux video, you people are making it in to one. Say more about you than me. I just pointed out some things people should think about like i said before.
the thumbnail is a bit click baity tho
In the end I don't care about any os. And my indentation is not to argue or hurt you. I am just trying to point you that the majority of viewers (non member) will feel like your channel theme is to rant about linux atleast I feel like that, that's how RUclips algorithms suggest and I am assuming that's how you too structured your channel.
Nothing wrong in stating facts, just my suggestion is to focus more on using the right tool, show better way, your niche trick. Make click bait by luring towards creating expectation for viewers that they are going to gain some knowledge on saving their time by learning something from you.
Whatever, it's your channel and it's your decision to drive it. I just stated my opinion because I feel the potential that you can deliver good content, so I did my job by expressing my opinion. Anything more than this is none of my business.
@@laminathith2530 look at my videos and you will see i only do videos like this once and a while.
Why you see youtube pushing it is that, people can't help themselves and have to throw in their two cents on a comment cos i was not talking about linux like the best OS ever, so youtube see it as a highly active videos and recommend it more to people. Not my doing but youtube and people commenting.
IF i do a video about how to set up opensuse or configure the kernel. people don't comment so much and so on and youtube don't recommend it so much.
So blame youtube for recommending it :P
And if you see i almost stopped talking about linux, as i don't want to deal with the drama from linux users.
I just like trolling linux people sometimes as i know they can't help them self lol
I recently switched to Atlas OS recently. Im happy ngl. My 7 year old system performs much better than before.
Before i did the switch i had installed Antix just to see whether i couuld make the switch to it. It was truly complicated for me but it was a spectacular os due to its low ram usage. Soo i decided ill just stick to a Windows preference and yeah i decided ill take the gamble on Atlas OS.
Now win defender doesn't consume 3-4gb(out of 8gb) of my ram, and the windows update doesnt end fking something like it did 2 weeks ago(desktop got deleted and notification tab glitches)
Atleast now i can game in peace
I don’t want to be rude, but using systems like antix makes it harder by default to run stuff on it, and doesn’t necessarily have a better compatibility like the typical arch install. For low ram usage, there are quite a few ways to get it without needing to work on it for a long time (a few examples are endevourOS with many preconfigured window managers, like i3, bspwm, and so on).
But glad that you found your way to handle things! I just want to make sure that you know the consequences of using windows versions like atlasOS, as they are much less „safe“ than the original alternative, and can break compatibility for a couple of things (not much, but could bite you later on)
My general recommendation, when going with windows, is just using a fresh install and remove what you don’t need *and actually can remove from the graphical interface*, no debloat scripts, no nothing. just so it doesn’t break anything internally.
Yes. Wonderful. Is your computer connected to the internet? I ask because that definitely matters when using Atlas.
Why did you try antiX instead of a more mainstream distro like Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, or Pop? If it's because of the RAM usage, why not lubuntu or one of the other more lightweight but full feature distros? AntiX is an odd choice. I'm genuinely just wondering how and why you chose that distribution. It's one that a lot of long-term Linux users haven't even heard of.
@@davidturcotte831 Oh i installed Antix on on old system of mine which had win 7 running on it previously. It had only 2gb ram on it. The system was running poorly on win 7 soo i was like why not just give it a try. Maybe i could actually use that system as a daily driver for watching yt vids on it
I had downloaded it based on a yt recommendations for a light os. Soo yeah. While Antix ran very spectacularly on that system even on hdd, i felt that the cpu itself was still struggling even though the os was very light. Soo yeah i just stopped using that system in general coz i could not see any use of it apart from maybe making it a file server, which i dont think i need.
Im confused by your first statement, but yeah Atlas does connect to the internet. Soo far no problems yet. That 3 to 4 gb extra free ram space due to win defender being stripped down, definitely gave my system a boost.
@@astrojade4802
Atlas has basically all security features stripped out. That's why it matters whether or not you are connected to the internet. In the Windows 7 days there was a virus that spread by looking at a JPEG. Today, we have similar exploits in bad JavaScript, pdfs, and a bunch different image exploits. Atlas is something you don't really want to rely upon full time, but it also isn't something you want to do anything important on, since you wouldn't know whether or not you have a virus on the system.
@@davidturcotte831 I completely understand what you mean to say and at the same time i also understand the consequences of my actions. But at the same my laptop is 7 years old. I wish Win 10 was optimized for older systems but sadly it was behaving absolute shit lately. My desktop got deleted, several things went wrong. The only answer online was do a full format. Like this is win10 in 2023.
I did a windows restore, it restored it luckily but it was still screwed up and the problems just didnt end there.. After restoring the notification tab was also glitching for no reason. Soo i was like prepared to do a full format soo i was like why not just give Atlas a try.
Yes security is compromised but what is the point of security if my system cannot handle the situation due to the various security mechanisms in place which further slows the system down.
And in any case something does happen, i will just directly format
Interesting take. I do think the only valid point these days is the software compatibility with large vendors and the occational game. Other than that everyhing runs or there are perfectly acceptable alternatives. Maybe some niche software cases too.
All good though, to each their own. Been using it daily since 99 and couldnt imagine Linux and OSS not being a part of my daily life. If it never catches on with the main stream it doesnt really matter to me and what im doing.
people don't want alternatives ;)
linux couldn't even run a dual monitor set up without terrible screen tearing.
On intel graphics. Any distro or DE. The screen tears when I set the second monitor to portrait mode.
Wayland fixes this but the cursor always has noticeably higher input latency. KDE wayland has terrible performance. Also cursor gets blurry in many programs like the browser when running at 2x scaling. In gnome wayland the apps themselves are blurry.
KDE cursor has this stupid bug at 2x scaling where it flashes the cursor when the cursor changes pointer modes.
Mouse acceleration is bad, especially on touchpads. Tried fiddling with it but there is no easy way of configuring it past the paltry libinput settings. Have to do some heavy configuring.
List goes on and on... but these were just issues I had when checking linux out recently.
This is bs, I'm not dealing with this nonsense in 2023.
When did windows sort this out?
Tux looks real scary in big eyes (:
my spirit animal lol
been using arch (wsl) and kali(vm) for more than 3 years, and i wanted to switch cause of the terminal and how windows is so damn slow sometimes but honestly as a dev who draws and play games i came to the conclusion that windows is the daily driver no contest ;
- you have wsl which runs linux giving u the ultimate choice of language and tool.
- gaming on win as u said is just less hassle, i can either buy a game or download it and it'll just work 100% of the time, no need to added to lutris then mess with the config cause it doesn't mesh with wine or something else entirely, i like to leave debugging limited to my work thank you very much xD.
- for art kritta is not competing with either clip studio or photoshop, sure u can run them on linux but u loose access to the plugins and community.
and lastly the reason why i can't run linux is: monitor support ; i use my tab s8 as a 3rd monitor/graphics tablet via super display, which is something not doable on linux, weylus laggs and is not a native screen, u run it thru a web browser, that and every time i try to natively install either pop, endevour or ubuntu, i find that either my main 4k monitor is not working, or it sleeps and never comes back (like me ), or there's a wired issue where it tears, it's just a headache.
now windows is not without faults, like it gets laggy or takes too long to update but a restart is all it takes to get u in a working order.
btw, the privacy concerns about microsoft data collection can be turned off so, meh
never thought i'd leave a comment but i wrote an essay, who ever gets to here i wish u the most awesome blissful day/night!
How long has it been since you actually used Linux? You are mischaracterizing it as still being the obsolete Red Hat desktop you showed. Is Windows still infamously unstable like Windows 95?
I've never considered Linux compatibility when building my ATX towers, and for over a decade before Windows 10 came out, I had been toying around with Linux, usually Ubuntu, on dual-boot configurations. Never had a problem with Linux not working on it. Just the usual efforts to make sure that the motherboard, CPU and memory boards are compatible with each other.
I also have an old, refurbished laptop that was too old for Windows to allow me to run the compatible video driver for its integrated Intel Core CPU with built-in GPU. Windows 10, with which it shipped as refurbished, would never allow the proper video driver downloaded from Intel.
I know because I went through that with a previous ATX build with the same generation of Core i5 it has. I would re-install the proper Intel driver and Windows 10 would immediately force an update back to the incompatible one.
That incident was the last straw that drove me to complete my migration to Linux.
However, that old laptop runs Debian just fine and dandy with no issues at all. First thing I did was to replace the internal SSD with a brand new one and install Debian on that bare metal drive. So what if Arch, which powers my current Windows11 compatible ATX tower, won't install on my old emergency laptop and Debian won't install on my tower? They're both Linux. I run Linux on both machines just fine and dandy. And I use the same desktop environment on both, so the GUI is the same.
As for your "Everyone else is spying on you so why can't Microsoft?" argument, nothing online is capable of coming even remotely close to the level of malware behavior Windows 10, and presumable 11 and all future versions, inflict on one's hardware.
Basically, Windows exercises a proprietary level of control over the hardware you bought and paid for and if it's beyond a certain age, Microsoft wants you to buy them a newer and more powerful computer to run their code but not yours, as whatever system resources you may have WILL be hogged up by Windows' built-in malware. Sooner or later, it bogs down anything you want to do with your computer rather than just what Microsoft wants to do with "your" computer, and with any hardware they make.
Absolutely no respect at all for your personal property rights.
i am responding to you right now from linux good sir lmao. I use Linux every day, some day's more than Windows lol.
But thanks for showing your big brain and put me in my place ;)
@@KentsTechWorld Sarcasm. The last refuge of the disingenuous.
you are amazing for writing an essay. There is no privacy. Do you use a smart phone. Oh right you use a google account which spies on you hence you typed this youtube comment. I use windows because I want to play games without manually installing linux drivers and compatibility patches taking precious free time.
he literally said "he started to use Linux when it looked like that" which implied that he used it for a long time
@@jimmyneutron129 since around 1995 ish and still run it today lol
Regarding hardware support, I disagree. Yes, some drivers can be a hassle on Linux, but controllers and printers have a lot less painful experience than on ios or Windows. And do u think Windows always work out of the box with no problem? I wish but that is not true. I have an AMD GPU and amount of times that Windows was deleting GPU drivers is insane. To fix it I was required to go to the registry, which is not a simple task for the common user. Before I tried to turn off driver update in the setting, but most Win setting are either hidden or doesn't do shit. And the amount of control that users have in Windows from year to year is reduced. The problem is not spyware, I agree that if u scared of data leaks just changing the system is not enough. The problem is that u can't do a lot in modern Windows without the command line, like on Linux, because Microsoft locks all control.
And a lot of Windows software worked better on Linux for me than on Windows itself, for some reason, oversimplification of the system, and lack of user control.
I agree that Linux is more complicated to drive than Windows. But is it worse? No, because both systems have a lot of issues at least with Linux u have a choice with the distro, but in Windows well good luck.
In my case I just dual boot or use a virtual machine. Because sometimes I can't rely on both of them. To everybody i would recommend to try linux, at least to know how is it on another side.
But at the same time is Linux all that great, oh I would love it to be true, but if we talk about popular distros - no way, they are awful. It's always Russian roulette. I never had a good experience with Ubuntu, Arch breaks on me every month. Fedoras driver sucks, etc. Only Debian is very outdated or Gentoo is too complex for sane people but gives a lot of control. And Control over the system is what saves Linux for me. But yes don't listen to people who say that Linux is perfect, that is far from true. But it's the same for IOS and Windows.
you do know you are making the argument for me here lol.
@@KentsTechWorld Yes, I mean all systems suck in their ways and it's just a matter of personal preference or field of work. And I agree with a lot of things that u said
I don't think it's necessarily more complicated. Most people have grown up in a Windows or Mac environment, so it seems more complicated. Once you are used to your operating system, another won't be as easy for you to use. I knew a guy who grew up with BSD who got super frustrated with the Windows laptop the school provided. At the end of the year, we had to return it in perfectly working order with their install of Windows intact and booting. He took out the hard drive and used Damn Small Linux (an old and lightweight distro) for literally everything that school year until he got his own drive and installed FreeBSD on it. He couldn't use Windows because it just didn't work for him. Everything he wanted to do was harder because he was acclimatized to BSD.
@@KisaJeweler Debian testing is fine
As an whatnot its nice to be appreciated :D
quite frankly, you are describing a Linux world I don't recognize.
Agreed. I think he is stuck in the early 2000s
so we go back to the same thing. By that logic there should be no bears as i have never seen them only heard people talking about it lol.
I have not had to deal with some of those things myself. but i have talked to 100's of people that have to deal with them, and a small search on the internet will back that up.
I have not had a virus on windows for 10 years. but we all know a lot of other people have. So your logic is that they are all lying lol
@@KentsTechWorld quite frankly, it's hard to have opinions in here...
@@fluca1978 nope you just can't handle people challenging you on them or don't agree.
@@KentsTechWorld
You didn't try to challenge his opinion that you are describing a Linux world he doesn't recognize. Instead, you bullied him about how he is wrong and you are right because "hundreds of people" had the issues you described but admit you didn't have yourself.
Make an actual argument rather than an appeal to popular opinion based on a strawman and then maybe you will have challenged his opinion.
Thank you for this! It has been the video I needed. I need to buy a new computer soon and I took a deep dive into Linux content to see if it's a better alternative to Win11. Customization out of the box and a curated app store with drivers is amazing as well as the interface designs.
And I've seen a lot of positive content about it and I'm certain I could easily run and learn something like Mint or Pop. My main work softwares are Blender and Krita which are native, with blender clearly having better performance on Linux.
Lightweight and easy installing! So no reason to even look at Windows!
However, I've also seen a lot of tribalism going on, a lot of context and nuance loss and a lot of advanced linux users who get surprised pikachu faces when someone doesn't know what they consider basic knowledge. Can count on one hand the content creators that didn't go "now we open a terminal" when showcasing how easy a distro is.
My work content revolves a lot around gaming. I'm getting new gen processors. My friends enjoy multiplayers. The linux apps I need work very well on Win. And UI customization isn't impossible.
So why try and make Linux work with the added fear that my changes might break with a new update?
I do feel desktop Linux is finally going somewhere (thanks to a corporation and a small vendor) and I hope it improves in 2-3 years.
But unless Linux sticks to a maximum of 2 main OS distributions to focus on for the majority of desktop users all this goodwill and development will be forgotten the second the next good Windows version comes out.
i look at it differently. a few apps i run on a daily basis broke when Windows 11 came out, and it still continues to not work (legacy software) where as in wine, they do work as they should.
no system is safe when it comes to compatibility, or if you break something yourself, and thats why devs try to get immutable systems in the hands of the average customer - which does make it quite a bit more secure.
you cant stop such an amount of people who make distributions in... well... making their distribution, how they like it.
most "professional" applications in the linux space only try on ubuntu and fedora (most of the time) which makes your last statement kinda obsolete before it even began existing (no hate for that, though)
EDIT: correction, 3 systems, but 2 of them are similar.
Ubuntu
RHEL
Fedora
where fedora and RHEL are relatively similar in their software stack and packaging format.
Distributions are communities - people gathered around different ideas, values. Request to destroy communities for your convenience is extremely selfish. Thankfully there is no authority able to do that.
Like in real life destruction of communities does not benefit those that survived but makes everyone poorer.
It kinda does. Ubuntu is half of the Linux users.
Great points, Joe and Josephine would never use Linux 😢
They Joe I know those lol
0:16 i WISH operating systems would go back to looking like that 😢
i wish linux people would never comment on my videos lmao. But we can't always get what we want in life lmao.
@@KentsTechWorld i dont think its the mentality of linux people alone, but a design philosophy that people also combine with good memories of their youth, maybe? atleast thats what i think of it.
@@TVPInterpolation you are missing that we are joking lol.
Everything is about once youth, but that don't excuse bad behavior. and people can change.
You can configure your Linux desktop to look and behave like that.
Good analogy with the Air Jordans. There may legitimately be people who, if asked "Do you want Air Jordans or a more comfortable, cheap knock-off", would honestly go for the knock-offs.
It provides a good Litmus test for whether someone is looking for function and may be open to adapt or whether they've been brainwashed by a brand or their peers and you should bail.
It is an interesting analogy, and one thing that actually makes sense in the video for a lot of reasons, and can be used for anything, quite literally.
The only problem, is that most issues mentioned in this video are more user focused, not the OS itself.
Take bob from accounting as the example, where a Linux user copied something on a usb, gave bob the usb and he just ran it.
- could also happen through literally any user, ever, on every os
- bob and the user could’ve both check the file through virustotal, or through their preferred antivirus (yes, clamav still exists on Linux, and virustotal is browser based anyway)
Does that sound like a Linux problem, or more the problem of the users?
I generally tend to use Linux, as I don’t have anything that works better on windows, and some things that don’t work quite well when I’m on windows and want to run them through WSL2. On the other side of the coin, whenever someone asks me if Linux is an alternative for them, I always ask for the list of applications the person uses the most, then I list whatever works or doesn’t work, so they can just decide themselves if they want to do the jump - and I explicitly also tell them that dualbooting is possible if they feel like using both.
When I set up a games room for conventions, there’s just one device where I actively said „yo guys, there Linux isn’t a good idea“ as it’s some very obscure arcade dump running bad on windows already, and wine has no fighting chance against it.
It’s no black and white, and that’s what I dislike about the video, as it sounds like *everyone from camp Linux is a shill and brainwashed*, which is only the vocal minority most of the time.
@@TVPInterpolation Either that or it's a problem with the vendors. No sh*t Linux takes longer for hardware to be compatible when the community can't reimplement the drivers before they're released.
Said reimplementation also frequently works off of very limited information, often requiring large reverse-engineering efforts.
All of this could be avoided if vendors actually cared enough about Linux to either build the drivers themselves or at least publish their specs early on so that the community can do it for them. But that's where I see a problem with Linux evangelism too, as I don't think that popularity alone will make vendors magically care. If you think it does, you don't understand the industry.
Linux doesn't need users, Linux needs vendors. The users will follow.
Nostalgia. 🙂
I've used Mandrake on the 90's. 🙂
GUI Linux is not there yet for average user, it is way better than in the past, but not there yet. I agree that lack of software alternatives is a major problem, would be awesome to have IT giants start providing Linux versions of their free and paid software, but until Linux desktop will have some significant amount of Desktop users there is no money and interest in that, unfortunately. Probably at 5-10% of global PC users will have to use Desktop Linux to start some movement in big companies towards Linux, now it is somewhere below 3%, and maybe in this year will cross 3%.
I recently switched back to Linux. I am much happier with Linux. However, the exact same hardware runs faster and smoother in Windows. I hated the forced Windows updates. It is my computer not Microsoft. I play almost all the same games as I did in Windows. But my preference of games tend to be really old. Never the AAA's.
I love Linux. I prefer Linux. For me Linux is almost always easier to deal with. Yet, I think the rest of the world probably should just stick to Windows.
They have already been brainwashed to that environment so the hardware, software, assistance, spyware, viruses, ransomware and any other forms of malware are just easier to get on Windows.
Good luck out there, and stay safe.
Crying about updating and then being concerned about viruses and malware is just a hilarious idea... Yes the rest of the world wants an actual working os while you fight the good fight with outdated software 😂
@@kolz4ever1980 I do update. I just prefer to choose rather than be forced and lose my working environment. Often I will have multiple browser tabs, file browsing windows, and various files open for edit across 2 or 3 virtual desktops. And be accustom to where I currently have them placed. A forced reboot or even relog of my Desktop can set me back at least an hour. Sometimes I don't relog or reboot for months at a time. Anytime I consider shutting down or rebooting, I strongly consider updates.
@@lucius_hilley3
You might enjoy an immutable OS like Fedora Silverblue. Since the software that updates is usually a flatpak, it doesn't often require a reboot. Even if you do install an update that does require a reboot, you won't be forced to reboot. And, since none of your working software has actually been changed until the reboot you can just keep working without any issues.
I am only using Windows Home on servers, and Kali Linux as my daily driver OS.
lol
you are right , basically it's not for everyone but it's very good if it suits you
Tech is simultaneously a good set of cuffs and good set of chain cutters. Sure makes it easy for people to reinforce their beliefs, especially when talking about a tool they use in a way it was never intended to be used in such as U*NIX in the desktop.
Then again, what are these companies supposed to do, come together to create the best OS possible for desktop computers and another OS for servers/dev environments while eliminating the cruft (outside device support) they justify every year because sizzlers fit for commercials and "poggers so amaze" 4/10 UI we've been stuck with for 30 years? They'd lose so much $$$ actually making computers "personal" just by encouraging people to reenact Terry A Davis with offline computing and not mindlessly indulging in distractions courtesy of the one of 5-10 platforms on "the internet" that get 95% of our online attention.
That's why the web would be the last "operating system" ever if they really wanted to just to maximize profits, but they enjoy watching the OS discourse from afar while taking our freedoms because that just makes the big four (Google, Microsoft, Apple, IBM) so much $$$.
I personally prefer to use Windows 10 on my gaming PC and Fedora Mate on my HTPC. I use my gaming PC exclusively for gaming and my HTPC for everything else and it's perfect for me although the way things are going with Windows i'm seriously considering installing Arch on my gaming PC. I've experimented with gaming on Arch in the past and found the experience to be really great although not perfect.
There are brainwashed and biased people on all sides. There are pros and cons to pretty much anything. In some ways, Linux is better than Windows and MacOS, in some ways, Windows is better, in some ways MacOS is better...
If someone tells you : "This OS/distro is the best." It may be for them. But people have different use cases. What may be beneficial for them may not bother you at all, things that may be drawbacks for you may not bother them. We should always consider use cases and acknowledge the existence of alternatives.
Similar thing can be said about smartphone wars. Some people prefer iPhones and that's okay, but they shouldn't spread misinformation and biased prejudices about Android devices. Same thing can be said about Android users.
Either side should be aware that their prefered device/eco system is not flawless. Some people seem unable to take constructive criticism, but it's necessary if we want things to improve. And there is pretty much always room for improvement.
agree
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I run Linux as my main daily driver everyday. You talk about "sacrifice", however this is a function of Microsoft's campaign of embrace, extend and extinguish. You make the same sacrifices running Macs as the software selection is limited too. Quite simply, I find that most of your arguments is that Windows is better due to having more software and therefore is more convenient. While this is true, I think Linux is better despite the lack of software. By the way, I'm proof that careers do not suffer due to knowing Linux. Developing on Linux makes it infinitely easier to deploy on Linux.
Where am I saying your career suffer from learning linux?? I got a job from this channel talking linux. I have said that only focusing on linux, or only want to work on linux can limit you and or not get you the jobs you want.
Who cares. I like linux. :)
The rest of the world 😢
I think this video was more to say why most people don't use Linux. I like it a lot too, but we gotta be honest to ourselves and admit we're nerds who don't mind the kinks and difficulties. Linux is far from perfect, even if it's the best for our uses.
no one should :)
no the video is to say that most linux users and youtubers lie to you ;)
I know how to use linux successfully. If you can't use it go back to windows. All you need to know in windows is clicking icons.
Great points, in my family I am the only one that runs linux.
Same here.
I think the comparison is really apples and oranges here. On one hand you have one of the biggest tech corporations in the world engaging in everything they can muster to get as many people as possible stuck on their OS, and on the other you have what's largely a community volunteer effort to recreate that entire software stack to make desktop use viable and to provide user support. Linux on the desktop is doing an incredible job given the circumstances. I'm not going to deny that there are inconveniences on Linux but it seems a bit gauche to complain about it considering that it's free and anyone is welcome to help make it better.
Also, if you care about FOSS and privacy, Linux is still the better choice even if you end up using a bunch of non-free and non-secure websites/apps, because other applications/utilities that you use (that integrate well with the underlying system) are more likely to be non-free and abuse telemetry on Windows than on Linux. This proprietary, antisocial philosophy tends to infect developers who have spent their entire lives steeped in a proprietary ecosystem. Whereas developers on Linux who have an appreciation for the FOSS work that others have done are more likely to feel compelled to give back.
linux is made possible by those same companies.
If you care about privacy, go off the internet, burn you credit care, never use healthcare.
A software license don't mean something is bad or not, it's the people using it. there are sooooo many great privacy friendly closed sourced software out there, and they are working with their users and let them help and so on.
Also the users of a FOSS software alsmot never give give back, that is mostly the devs that do that.
All you are saying it propaganda said by FOSS with no real evidence of it being real, but a lot that it's not. Most open source projects biggest contributors are big companies and most of those are big proprietary companies. Only small projects are still relying on it's users.
@@KentsTechWorld Proprietary security/privacy focused apps are much too "just trust me bro" for me. It does not inspire confidence. You might be familiar with the cryptographic concept of a "nothing up my sleeve number" and I think at the very least open-sourcing your security app (even if it's not FOSS licensed) is a "nothing up my sleeve" gesture. This doesn't prevent vulnerabilities, but it makes it harder to hide intentional backdoors/telemetry.
You are right though, completely disconnecting from the internet and ideally going totally off-grid is the most private/secure way to go through life, but let's not pretend like this is feasible in the way that running Linux is feasible. "Totally ignore privacy" vs. "live off-grid" is a false dichotomy. In reality it's almost always a compromise for anyone who is remotely privacy-conscious, and choosing to use an OS that isn't going to spy on you is a totally reasonable choice to make here.
Note that I only said that FOSS users are *more* likely to give back, whether it's to the software they use or open sourcing their own projects. With closed-source stuff, it's impossible to give back beyond submitting bug reports unless you're lucky enough to be brought on as a developer and granted access to the code. With FOSS, usually the only thing that can really prevent you from contributing actual code is your skill level. Whether or not the project is sponsored or worked on by corporations doesn't change this.
I think it's also irrelevant whether these companies who contribute to FOSS are also making money off of proprietary software. Like IBM apparently contributes to GNOME, despite them also releasing the proprietary AIX, but I'm not talking about using AIX. Likewise with Microsoft and (FOSS builds of) VS Code or Roslyn. What matters to me is A) "is this software going to respect my freedom and privacy?" and B) "am I monetarily contributing to the development of proprietary software?".
@@KentsTechWorld oh boy. just because big companies also contribute to it, doesnt mean they carry the entirety of those projects. that would be hugely disregarding the people who worked to get it even to the point of interest of big companies.
@@TVPInterpolation if someone do 60% or most of the work, they carry the work ;) and big companies do a lot if not most of the work on linux besides Linus.
and it's like that with a lot of open source projects, it's the main devs, then companies/paid devs from them and then everyone else.
@@KentsTechWorld
You know nothing about KDE, then?
mY rEaCtIoN: nOt tRuE
I agree with you. I have been involved with Windows,Mac, ChromeOS, IOS, Android and Linux. Linux does not compare with the mainstream OSs. Its a niche place and will remain that way. All the software Devs will be focused on Win, Mac, Android and IOS. Linux does not have enough users for the Devs to care about. The software available on Linux compares poorly to the mainstream OS. This is the sad reality. Linux is simply an IT playground for the Devs.
If ure online ure being tracked and stuff even if u are on linux thats true. But the point abt telemetry is not that. If ure on windows using proprietary softwre with built in telemetry all the softwere on your machine is communicating with its own server to send data and it slows down your machine. And do not have any doubt, all the proprietary garbage does that including your image viewer, your music player, your image manipulation softwer, your pdf viewer, even your operating system (!windows!) itself, everything which has built in telemetry. Isnt it anoying when you cant wait your computer to boot up and be ready use? Its all because telemetry. On the other hand if ure on linux using free software NOT including telemetry, quess wht? Your machine is fast like lighting bb ;)
the boot time is not telemetry, but slow hardware. My windows boot as fast as linux sometimes even faster, the same at work. I don't know what you do to your windows install. but if a boot time under 10 sek is slow, something is wrong with your math
@@KentsTechWorld yes, ure right actually. I was not clear enough. What i really meant is that i have to wait a lot once the machine is booted. I assume its because of the bunch of proprietary software starting to communicate with its server, and therefore i have to wait to be able to launch a browser forexample. I really think that the real problem with telemetry is that once u reach the critical number of proprietary softwer installed with built in telemetry, it is those softwer using your machine instead of you, and this prevent you to get ur job done smoothly. Thats the problem,and this problem does not exist if ure on linux using FOSS. Other then that i dont give a crap if someone spying on me, we re living in a world like that like it or not, and its not going to be any good. Just as you said no matter wht OS u use, once ure online, ure being tracked.
@@kovacsalbert3950 your bot time is slow mostly for hardware reasons, or a corrupted install, or bad drivers, or not proper instaled/uninstalled drivers.
Windows boot up the bear system first, then drivers, then UI, then apps.
So if you have a hardware problem(like RAM, windows really don't like bad RAM) it ca nbe slow as it's trying to "fix" it during boot. or if it's trying to load a drive that is bad or only part of it is there or not there. You get the idea.
Your boot up time is not a FOSS vs this or that issue, it's a computer issue. (I had had kinda the same problem where linux would boot fine and windows not, and it was down to one bad RAM stick)
@@KentsTechWorld Allright, thank you for the reply!
Yes, if you're a gamer that doesn't care about privacy at all and doesn't mind paying for the right to use your own hardware,, then Windows is great.
This video must be a joke right? Every point was flawed!
you can not be a gamer and care about privacy, as almost every game or AAA games are way worse that windows about everything, you don't even own your games anymore, and if you use steam, you have yet another party that prob you. And you don't own anything on steam.
nope you are just to brainwashed by Linux and the FOSS people to wake up and see they are lying to you ;)
@@KentsTechWorld that... is kinda wrong imo. not every linux user or someone who prefers FOSS is calling it the second coming of christ or something. there are a ton of people just running linux without even mentioning they run linux, and go on with their days, same as users of windows and macOS. i could also point the entire discussion towards "windows sheeps" who lie to people about how nice the newest version of windows must be. i believe its all a matter of preference. Many many AAA games are getting worse by the day (not only because of rootkit Anti Cheats, i mean in general), so i also expect that gamer who are privacy-minded would rather go with Indie Games (or dualboot, with no important data on the windows drive) to still have their fun.
its not black and white, theres always an in-between.
@@TVPInterpolation 1 i was being openly sarcastic.
But if the majority of people are like that then it's more the norm than not. and in my 25 years of running linux, and talking to 100's of linux users over the years and non linux users. that is more the norm then not.
So if you want to change that picture linux users have in non linux users mind, you as a community go and change it, and don't just look a way and excuse it. as you all have been doing for to long. There are great linux users out there, you just almost never hear from them or they are not that many. So instead of saying i am wrong, why not take it to heart and say "oh if this is how people look at us, we need to change that for the better"
Linux only grows and grows. Open-source is quite simply the only possible future. Existing solutions can surely be improved, but the only possible future is named open-source. You, of all, should know this.
Linux has been hovering between 2 and 3% for years and years and years, it is not growing by any means. AMD keeps getting kicked in the teeth every other generation in the CPU market and still has yet to ever take the performance crown for their GPUs, despite their open source drivers. Photoshop is still the biggest image editor, FL Studio the biggest DAW, etc. Gaming is still years behind, as Kent said. If anything, FOSS is shrinking as computers keep getting more widely distributed to people who don't care. It has always been and will always be a fringe design philosophy for tech nerds and Stallman fanatics.
@@plebisMaximus Since we're Stallman stans, it is also worth pointing that Open Source is no better than Proprietary Crap and Open Source is not Free Software. Literally nothing is gained if "Open Source" becomes mainstream, no one cares about looking into the code if the Freedoms arent possible.
AOSP is "Open Source" but what freedoms does it grant to the Joe and Josephine?
So if Open Source is the future, I would rather stay with proprietary crap, since atleast proprietary would be more optimised 🤣
@@plebisMaximus fl studio sucks, tho (also, it is far from the biggest, daws seem to be distributed more evenly than many other markets)
3% over 30 years is not growth.
Much like Linux, Open Source has grown and seems to be slowly taking over...
...in the back end. It's reliable and cheap for the people that work with it and the work produced using Open Source software is largely not eligible to it's licenses.
But whenever it comes to the front end/the consumer market, the narrative suddenly changes such that the tightest of lockdowns are applied and the user is milked for as much money and data as possible.
I additionally believe that desktop Linux has also remained stagnant for years because no large enough industry entity has successfully marketed it to the consumer yet. Add to that clichés both old and new of Linux and it's community (as somewhat fostered by community enthusiasts over the years) and you have a label with a 30 years of bad reputation that's hard to get rid of. As such, most who do try to widely install Linux-based systems in consumer space mention it's relation to Linux in passing at best (e.g. Valve) or distance themselves from it at worst (e.g. Google, Huawei).
Linux and Open Source are only the future in so far as they can be exploited as a nameless tool for the proprietary industry.
Hey Kent. How much is Microsoft paying you to spew all this negative misinformation about Linux?
this comment just show how right i am lmao.
It's like saying "i am right cos you are stupid"
If you really thing i am getting paid you have no idea how paid sponsorship works and how the youtube rules are :D i would get kicked off if is don't openly tell youtube and the viewers that it's a sponsored video lmao.
Never change, show the world how crazy linux people are lmao.
BTW proud linux user of 25+ years lol
@@KentsTechWorld
Yeah. We do know how promotions, paid sponsors, and ads work. We also know that RUclips was banning people for using the word "Linux" too much not that long ago. I think it was 2021. There are videos about it happening.
There are also documents from Microsoft describing their intentional use of FUD and propaganda that sound exactly like your video. In this context, it is reasonable to ask how much Microsoft is paying you. They actually pay people to make videos like this one.
@@KentsTechWorld Insulting me by calling me stupid just goes to show how childish and immature you are. I really don't see how you and your inflated ego can fit into the same room.
its horrible.
its awesome.
hmmm.
im trying to get my cnc mill going again. at least five years since my xp machine died. why xp? something about firewalls and the software being rather nasty kernelwise... xp was the last easy one to use. and parallel ports are getting real hard to find. usb to parallel dont work in this case. unless you pay lots. and i still have the issue of a system that will actually run the software.
whatever. i was running zorin7 back then, as XP died and win& took over already, and imagine my surprise when i found linux multimedia studio wouldnt run on linux. without resorting to jack... and all i really wound up doing was corrupting my system with sudo aptgets and autopurges, blah blah... format the hard drive and reinstall was the only way i got it to run again... minus any attempt to run LMMS on it this time.
so, as time goes by...windows is hostile, and linux is a mess. i feel i cant use either. and im not touching mac. ever.
i no longer do much on a computer besides read emails, watch youtube, and buy things. its too frustrating.
all my old programs so well loved, obsolete, unrunnable.
anything new involves hours, days, weeks of scouring forums boards, endless attempts to get something to happen in terminal...
back to the cnc mill... trying to install linuxcnc... from making the first choice, as they talk about kernels and how one option works but dont use it but the other option doesnt work but use it unless you want to try the other otpion in which case dont try either... wtf? and theres only one download anyway?
then somewhere i came across a random comment on a forum board, about python 2.7 being obsolete, 20.04 LTS using 3.**, and it wont run it...
anyway... created a bootable disk, ended up getting a linuxcnc screen...and that was it. a screen, with a black square obscuring it, and after half an hour, powered down.
so the flash drive becomes unrecognisable, had to do a mkfs.vfat on it to even get it to register.
um... fdisk -l shows all these loops that have appeared from nowhere. forum boards say theyre form "snaps", but mine dont list as being created by anything, or belonging to anything. just /dev/loop, ad nauseuem.
annnd, finally, i now have 2 new directories or drives that were never there before, 66 and 77mb... cant seem to delete them, format them, access them...
so yeah. instead of using my cnc mill to MAKE something, im back to spending weeks in a depressing psychotic spiral of hair pulling and crying myself to sleep...
just give up, go back to watching youtube, as theres only so many times you can turn a PC on and off again without losing it and finding a hammer to "fix" it with...
i already "fixed" a pc with my foot last night... but it was the old XP machine, already known as dead...
Pure base
why doesn't linux just work.
it does, provided you select your hardware appropriately and start playing with your computer day and night (not play on it) like its a toy and not an instrument to get work done. lol
@@akashp01 I should not have to know the ins and outs of the whole system for the software to work
@@ChickenPermissionOG You don't. If that's been your experience, you're doing something wrong.
What distro have you tried?
@@hfdcjiirjmcfi ubuntu server
Have fun with candy crush 😂
you know you could uninstall it right?
@@Marko-pg8ms
But the ads will live on forever.
@@davidturcotte831 you could just ignore them
@@Marko-pg8ms
That's not really how modern advertising works. I can ignore them, but they will work on other people. Also, ignoring the ads is still data sent back to Microsoft, used to give me better ads. Heck, sometimes the ads take up usable screen real estate and get in the way. Do I really want my default browser changing back to edge all the time? Why would I want to use an operating system that doesn't respect which software I want to use and shoves ads in my face wherever it can?
@@davidturcotte831 I mean it’s not a problem for me since I don’t really get ads
Man, you went typical linux-noob route and now you're trying to cure people's brains? Wow...I wonder if you ever typed "man xrandr" in the terminal....The screenschot to your left has the wrong resolution :)
OMG you really have no idea do you lmao.
It's a img from google lmao. everyone knows it. also i don't have a distro running from 1997 lol. Man can't you tell the world you are a noob more with out saying you a noob.
BTW that would make me a 25+ years linux user lol. and i have installed more distros and compiled more software than you have ate food lol.
I use arch btw 😂
will everyone that cares please stand up lmao.