Truly amazing that when you search this topic, even the videos that purport to care about men's mental health, they throw in a cheap shot and manage to blame it all on men. So very typical. A few men at the end of their rope who are looking for empathetic videos will probably hurt themselves because they saw the title of this video and just nodded, because we just know ahead of time it's all our fault. Congratulations WOOD TV8. You didn't fool anyone by pretending to care about this subject, and you have blood on your hands.
Wow. I was just going to say that this "toxic masculinity" narrative is part of the problem. There are countless reasons why men don't seek help, but they only tell the ones that intersect with their "toxic masculinity" narrative. This makes it obvious that they don't care about men, but have alterior motive. It'll go away, its not important, it'll take help from other more deserving people, talking doesn't help; are all reason men generally give. Are we to be called toxic for them, especially when most of them are benevolent? Actually do men a favour and listen to men to hate that disgusting terminology.
Wow. I was just going to say that this "toxic masculinity" narrative is part of the problem. There are countless reasons why men don't seek help, but they only tell the ones that intersect with their "toxic masculinity" narrative. This makes it obvious that they don't care about men, but have alterior motive. It'll go away, its not important, it'll take help from other more deserving people, talking doesn't help; are all reason men generally give. Are we to be called toxic for them, especially when most of them are benevolent? Actually do men a favour and listen to men who hate that disgusting terminology.
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. The traits described are toxic but not exclusive to men. This warping of language to fit societal views is anti-intellectual at its core.
it exists its just not often explained well. The idea of this term is not toxic men but the toxicicity of this standard of masculinity. a lot of people dont know this but the term was actually coined by men during a mens protest in the 1980s against those who put men down for showing any "feminine" traits. its quite incredible when you look into the history.
@@quality_trash8485 The standard of masculinity is pretty simple, protect women and children, provide for women and children, control your emotions when making decisions, be ready to take charge when s*** hits the fan, be tough and confident against any of life's challenges. That's not toxicity to me, what standard are you referring to specifically?
@@quality_trash8485 1. Aren't patrol guards people as well. 2. Being ready to protect someone doesn't mean you are a patrol guard. Does tightening a screw make you a mechanic? Does changing a bulb make u an electrician or an electrical engineer? Men are biologically stronger than women..so when some bad shi happens they will have more responsibility on them. And also remember we are talking about the past...when such things were very very relevant. Both males and females had to do their part to keep the devil outside the home and family safe. Life was tough for majority. 3. I doesn't matter whether men put forward or woman put forward or cat put forward or dog put forward. The term as a term and idea is still debunkable. If some people are against men wearing feminine things then that doesn't make it toxic masculinity. It's just some people having a "toxic" opinion. If you want to drink orange juice and me and my friends wants you to drink apple juice....toxic apple juice???? Or just toxic opinion and expectation. There's a difference between opinion/views and actual masculinity. 4. This term really doesn't mean anything now other than a mean to shame and victim blame men. 5. Who decides what's "toxic" and what's not. Aren't some subjective? It's not what decides...it's who decides??...you????
When a man tells his son "boys don't cry", I'm pretty sure they are talking about not crying from physical pain from falling while playing or something like that. Not oh if someone dies or your brother commits suicide don't cry because "boys don't cry". The child interprets it as boys never cry from emotional or physical pain. I know that what i interpreted it as. The boys don't cry statement helped me a lot growing up and i will tell my son the same. And i will explain emotional pain to him when his old enough.
The quality and effectiveness of public mental health efforts should really be called into question at this point to, men are killing themselves at an alarming rate and we aren't doing nearly enough.
My culture does not teach that mean are weak for sharing feeling or not counseling, in fact its the opposite, it is considered weak if you lose control of your emotions. Being a strong man in my culture is about taking care of your family and your emotions.
Love to hear this! Do most men in your culture adhere to this? Would love to know what your country's depression and suicide rates are then. Certainly something all cultures need to work towards. 👏
im sorry for his loss, but im so glad he came out of it trying to be healthier and happier. Being a man is such a broad concept and youre not less of one for being human, and you dont need to feel like theres a standard men need to uphold. Youre responsible for yourself so dont let dumb social standards stop you from getting help you need.
The delusion in this video is quite spectacular. The fact that women seek therapy at such a higher rate doesn't mean men are hiding their problems due to toxic masculinity, it just means women are having more mental issues than men. That's something they should actually be concerned about.
Darling, most of the suicides are committed by men, which is absolutely contrary to the fact that most of the cases of mental health issues are females. Which means that most people that suppress their emotions/mental health issues are men.
@@humanbeing483 so what do you suggest, that men become emotional? we are the pillars of human civilization, supressing emotional pain is just men being stoic and marching foward through the pain, you wouldnt get it..
men have always had more mental issues than women. its toxic in that they dont see it and even LIKE their issues. womens mental issues are like "oh I think about how i look too much I want to stop buying too many clothes" mens mental health issues are "I think about and actually do kill people" youre an example of whats wrong by your comment. you might LIKE how men are...even though you dont want to be alone at night in a dark alley due to men..... you just by your nature accept thats what men are.. women dont accept it.. they birth sons so they want change.
ive never seen anyone more wrong than you lol. you proved toxic masculinity to be true. if it bothers you to be useless or even to FEEL useless to women you just need a new hobby or purpose.
It's not toxic masculinity its the fact that men are ridiculed in western society for seeking therapy or even trying to express emotions. Masculinity is not inherently toxic just like femininity isn't inherently toxic but there are toxic traits in all people and not just men so stop using that bs term. Maybe if it weren't for toxic femininity making men feel like they can't show their emotions because women will ridicule them then maybe we wouldn't have so many men committing suicide and instead we'd have healthier relationships overall and more men in therapy.
Toxic muscularity doesn’t exist. If anything not enough muscularity exist in the west. Soft. It’s a west problem of keeping quiet when you’re not doing soo well. In my culture we’re taught to talk and that emotions don’t make you weak. You’re only weak if you don’t know how to control them. I mean most of y’all don’t have strong bond with your family so you don’t have a support network. Took me 26yrs on earth to learn that I can’t do everything by myself as a man. It’s ok to ask for help.
Its not toxic masculinity thats a barrier, thats just how society is. People, especially women, find it repulsive if a man is crying and emotional. But if a woman is feeling the same, everyone will want to console her and ask if shes ok.
It’s actually the opposite in my relationship my fiancée needs help I’ve tried and continue to try to get her to go to therapy but she won’t even though I know she’s struggling right now
Unfortunetly simple therapy doesn't work for everyone. A lot of the time these people really need to be seeing professionals with the ability to apply specific treatments like CBT, assertiveness training, and learning how to safely use outlets like weight lifting. After all, it's really not a big surprise that this one size fits all approach to mental health issues is failing a lot of people.
Truly amazing that when you search this topic, even the videos that purport to care about men's mental health, they throw in a cheap shot and manage to blame it all on men. So very typical. A few men at the end of their rope who are looking for empathetic videos will probably hurt themselves because they saw the title of this video and just nodded, because we just know ahead of time it's all our fault. Congratulations WOOD TV8. You didn't fool anyone by pretending to care about this subject, and you have blood on your hands.
And, thats why men truly struggle. Society blames everything on men
Wow. I was just going to say that this "toxic masculinity" narrative is part of the problem.
There are countless reasons why men don't seek help, but they only tell the ones that intersect with their "toxic masculinity" narrative. This makes it obvious that they don't care about men, but have alterior motive. It'll go away, its not important, it'll take help from other more deserving people, talking doesn't help; are all reason men generally give. Are we to be called toxic for them, especially when most of them are benevolent?
Actually do men a favour and listen to men to hate that disgusting terminology.
Wow. I was just going to say that this "toxic masculinity" narrative is part of the problem.
There are countless reasons why men don't seek help, but they only tell the ones that intersect with their "toxic masculinity" narrative. This makes it obvious that they don't care about men, but have alterior motive. It'll go away, its not important, it'll take help from other more deserving people, talking doesn't help; are all reason men generally give. Are we to be called toxic for them, especially when most of them are benevolent?
Actually do men a favour and listen to men who hate that disgusting terminology.
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. The traits described are toxic but not exclusive to men. This warping of language to fit societal views is anti-intellectual at its core.
it exists its just not often explained well. The idea of this term is not toxic men but the toxicicity of this standard of masculinity. a lot of people dont know this but the term was actually coined by men during a mens protest in the 1980s against those who put men down for showing any "feminine" traits. its quite incredible when you look into the history.
@@quality_trash8485 The standard of masculinity is pretty simple, protect women and children, provide for women and children, control your emotions when making decisions, be ready to take charge when s*** hits the fan, be tough and confident against any of life's challenges. That's not toxicity to me, what standard are you referring to specifically?
@@mike90027 thank you for giving me an example. men are people, not patrol gaurds
@@quality_trash8485 Men are people, but patrol guards are also people, so in a way men are patrol guards no?
@@quality_trash8485 1. Aren't patrol guards people as well.
2. Being ready to protect someone doesn't mean you are a patrol guard.
Does tightening a screw make you a mechanic?
Does changing a bulb make u an electrician or an electrical engineer?
Men are biologically stronger than women..so when some bad shi happens they will have more responsibility on them.
And also remember we are talking about the past...when such things were very very relevant. Both males and females had to do their part to keep the devil outside the home and family safe. Life was tough for majority.
3. I doesn't matter whether men put forward or woman put forward or cat put forward or dog put forward. The term as a term and idea is still debunkable.
If some people are against men wearing feminine things then that doesn't make it toxic masculinity. It's just some people having a "toxic" opinion.
If you want to drink orange juice and me and my friends wants you to drink apple juice....toxic apple juice???? Or just toxic opinion and expectation. There's a difference between opinion/views and actual masculinity.
4. This term really doesn't mean anything now other than a mean to shame and victim blame men.
5. Who decides what's "toxic" and what's not.
Aren't some subjective?
It's not what decides...it's who decides??...you????
When a man tells his son "boys don't cry", I'm pretty sure they are talking about not crying from physical pain from falling while playing or something like that. Not oh if someone dies or your brother commits suicide don't cry because "boys don't cry". The child interprets it as boys never cry from emotional or physical pain. I know that what i interpreted it as. The boys don't cry statement helped me a lot growing up and i will tell my son the same. And i will explain emotional pain to him when his old enough.
The quality and effectiveness of public mental health efforts should really be called into question at this point to, men are killing themselves at an alarming rate and we aren't doing nearly enough.
My culture does not teach that mean are weak for sharing feeling or not counseling, in fact its the opposite, it is considered weak if you lose control of your emotions. Being a strong man in my culture is about taking care of your family and your emotions.
Love to hear this! Do most men in your culture adhere to this? Would love to know what your country's depression and suicide rates are then. Certainly something all cultures need to work towards. 👏
im sorry for his loss, but im so glad he came out of it trying to be healthier and happier. Being a man is such a broad concept and youre not less of one for being human, and you dont need to feel like theres a standard men need to uphold. Youre responsible for yourself so dont let dumb social standards stop you from getting help you need.
The delusion in this video is quite spectacular. The fact that women seek therapy at such a higher rate doesn't mean men are hiding their problems due to toxic masculinity, it just means women are having more mental issues than men. That's something they should actually be concerned about.
Darling, most of the suicides are committed by men, which is absolutely contrary to the fact that most of the cases of mental health issues are females.
Which means that most people that suppress their emotions/mental health issues are men.
@@humanbeing483 so what do you suggest, that men become emotional? we are the pillars of human civilization, supressing emotional pain is just men being stoic and marching foward through the pain, you wouldnt get it..
men have always had more mental issues than women. its toxic in that they dont see it and even LIKE their issues. womens mental issues are like "oh I think about how i look too much I want to stop buying too many clothes" mens mental health issues are "I think about and actually do kill people" youre an example of whats wrong by your comment. you might LIKE how men are...even though you dont want to be alone at night in a dark alley due to men..... you just by your nature accept thats what men are.. women dont accept it.. they birth sons so they want change.
@@GloomGenetics the pillar is broke and civilization is falling
ive never seen anyone more wrong than you lol. you proved toxic masculinity to be true. if it bothers you to be useless or even to FEEL useless to women you just need a new hobby or purpose.
Somehow, we find a way to blame men for everything. Even with their mental health. Thats why men struggle. Not because of "toxic masculinity"
It's not toxic masculinity its the fact that men are ridiculed in western society for seeking therapy or even trying to express emotions. Masculinity is not inherently toxic just like femininity isn't inherently toxic but there are toxic traits in all people and not just men so stop using that bs term. Maybe if it weren't for toxic femininity making men feel like they can't show their emotions because women will ridicule them then maybe we wouldn't have so many men committing suicide and instead we'd have healthier relationships overall and more men in therapy.
THIS!
And who is ridiculing men? Other men. Let’s not act stupid.
Toxic muscularity doesn’t exist. If anything not enough muscularity exist in the west. Soft.
It’s a west problem of keeping quiet when you’re not doing soo well. In my culture we’re taught to talk and that emotions don’t make you weak. You’re only weak if you don’t know how to control them. I mean most of y’all don’t have strong bond with your family so you don’t have a support network.
Took me 26yrs on earth to learn that I can’t do everything by myself as a man. It’s ok to ask for help.
Its not toxic masculinity thats a barrier, thats just how society is. People, especially women, find it repulsive if a man is crying and emotional. But if a woman is feeling the same, everyone will want to console her and ask if shes ok.
If A Man's Dharma Is Built On Emotion Rather Than The Love Of Himself, Family, And Commitment To Duty He Is Shaky Man.
Gonna pay someone to talk about my feelings? Ya I don't think so.
It’s actually the opposite in my relationship my fiancée needs help I’ve tried and continue to try to get her to go to therapy but she won’t even though I know she’s struggling right now
Unfortunetly simple therapy doesn't work for everyone. A lot of the time these people really need to be seeing professionals with the ability to apply specific treatments like CBT, assertiveness training, and learning how to safely use outlets like weight lifting. After all, it's really not a big surprise that this one size fits all approach to mental health issues is failing a lot of people.
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