Thommo Turner collide at Adelaide Oval 1976 Australia v Pakistan
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Footage that was through to be lost - but I have found it!!
Jeff Thomson bowls to Zaheer Abbas who miscues a Pull-Shot, Thommo runs over to catch it and collides with team mate Alan Turner. Thommo injures his shoulder and is out for the rest of the 1976-77 Summer
Real piece of cricket history there. Thommo, aside from a few patches here and there, was never the same. Thanks for the upload. Would love to see some from Australia and WSC Australia's tours to the West Indies in 1978 and 1979, but that footage probably doesn't exist. Apparently Thommo got back to his best, briefly, in Barbados on that 78 tour.
He had one of his best series not long before he retired, The 1982/83 Ashes test series in Australia...22 wickets @ 18.68. Still could bowl, Shoulder injury just lost him some yards in pace!
@@beano1eye many many yards
I don't think that he was quite the same after the injury - his run up was both longer and faster and the load up not as dynamic. He was still sharp but not as effective - the well known exception is Barbados 1978 where he felt that everything clicked. The before and after averages and strike rates should bear this out. On Australian wickets (The wickets in England in 1975 were deliberately slowed to negate both his and Lillee's pace) from the opening of the 1974/75 Ashes series to the test here in Adelaide where he injured his shoulder he took 64 wickets at 22.76 with an economy rate of 3.26 and a phenomenal strike rate of 41.7. Those are serious figures. What the figures don't show is his ability to make the ball lift frighteningly from a length as well as the fact that he could be, to quite D K Lillee "A real mixed bag". All of this was done from a run up that barely broke out of a jog and an action that allied a long sweep of the bowling arm with quick shoulder rotation. When you look at him there is barely any follow through. Thomson was immensely strong and could bowl flat out for long spells. We can argue about whether he was the fastest of all time and so on - you could go back to Spofforth, Ted McDonald, Ray Lindwall and Jack Gregory. What matters is that to the generation with which he played he was without doubt the fastest bowler and if it were possible to measure properly across eras he would certainly be challenging for the title. I will say that having watched a lot of cricket in the 1970s he was, pre-injury, the fastest of the crop of very good quick bowlers by a distance. What is more his bowling in 1974/75 and 1975/76 was the key difference - the Poms never recovered from Brisbane and Perth in 1974/75: while his 5/62 in Melbourne and 6/50 in Sydney ensured that the West Indies, on the crest of a wave after an innings victory in Perth, went 3-1 down and not 2-2.
He was not able to replicate the success he had on the hard,fast bouncy pitches of Australia,to the same level of success in England.England's pitches being much slower made him less effective. The point I'm making is,that being able to produce the goods in all conditions will determine how great the bowler becomes.
You mention Barbados, in 1978.It was one of Thommo's fastest ever spells,but he was still flayed alive by Desmond Haynes,who scored 148 runs in his innings.In 1975,at Perth,Roy Fredericks mauled Thomson and Co, by scoring 169 in his innings.This was the same match in which Thommo set the then world record speed of 99.68mph.
You say Thommo was way quicker than his contemporaries, but in the same match at Perth,Andy Roberts was clocked at 99.1mph.This means that Thommo was less than half a foot quicker than Roberts, who in turn would be exceeded for pace by Michael Holding and Sylvester Clark.
I should also add,just in case you consider that my comment might be propped up with bias ,it is possible that,given how new the tech was,that Thommo may have actually bowled faster than the recorded speed of 99.68mph on the day of that match.
This was it - the fastest bowler that ever lived - no more. Of yes, after this he was occasionally lightening (Barbados 78) but never again. Because for three extraordinary years, he was the most exciting bowler I have seen in. more than 50 years of watching test cricket. And undoubtedly the fastest.
Did u see that Barbados spell ? On TV ... ? Cause it was in West Indies
@James Jonathan i notice that most from that era are like that - living in the past type of thing. I just hope I am objective when i get up there in age lol. The speed measurements from the 1970s are at best very inconsistent anyway - I can literally go on forever on this topic
@James Jonathan I am convinced that people like Akhtar , Brett , Tate were quicker than the Holding and Thommo types. Might be a sin to say - but I dont think Thommo was even 100 mph . If he was than Brett and Akthar were 105 or so. The Holding and Lille or Imran etc might have been BETTER bowlers, that I do admit is a possibility.
@James Jonathan ok so you seem to know about these things - than tell me this. Andy Roberts , atleast according to Lille book on fast bowling which featured these speeds, was said to have bowled 158 (not 150), like 98 mph - in the same match that Thommo was 99 - 100 or so . SO that means they were about the same speed. too close for a difference. PLUS this was PERTH WICKET. Fastest in the world. Now Holding was universally believed to be quicker than Roberts at his quickest. And yet in 79 - Holding was so much slower than the 98 mph mark (yet he was at his quickest) . thommo was also a lot slower than 100 mph, (u can argue that he was not at his quickest but that is debatable, he was young enough). So what happened.. why such a big difference ?
@James Jonathan I agree with most of what you said but you did not really answer my questons ? lol. Never mind... (I never bought up the issue about out of hand or not (I personally only have heard Thommo make that claim so I never really took it that seriously). My only issue is that the measurements where very different just 2-3 years apart 76-79 and that is weird.
Wow only read about this - never seen this before - thank you
Tragic to see. What a shame.
Thanks for this! I found an obscure PS on a letter my dad wrote to his brother in 1976 and wanted to try and see what happened. He was working in Australia at the time.
"PS. We saw Thompson & Turner clash in the match, Thompson has badly injured his shoulder & the test match I saw him in might be his last".
I was in the George Giffen Stand as a kid wondering why Lillee (who took 1/100) and Thommo werent blasting the opposition out like the previous two seasons. That was an early introduction for me on the flat Adelaide Oval wickets on Day 1 cutting even the best of them down to size. Then when Thomson got injured, it was even harder work from thereon in. Nice find Lawrie
Can you upload Kerry O’Keefe’s 3 wickets from the first innings of this same match? I want to see the one that supposedly “hits a pigeon”. 😄
YES PLEASE, I JUST HEARD THE STORY.
That's exactly why I looked up this video lol
It was a duck not a pidgeon 😁😁
This is awesome - the sort of stuff you only read (and hear) about, but never see the footage...well, for someone who wasn't around back then anyway!
Seeing we've had the Mankad mode of dismissal in the news lately (again!), I would love to see footage of that Hurst/Bakht instance in Perth a couple of years later
I have been searching this since I saw it as a 13 year old on TV in 1976. Loved Thommo, but remember thinking some sort of karma at the time, as he was bound to kill or injure someone one day with that pace and no helmets. I was always under the impression it was Turner's fault for going for the catch, but he actually had more right to go for it than Thommo. (I think if you put shoulder injury in the title, you would be surprised the number of people looking for this).
Incredible footage. I believe Andrew that the reason Thommo went for it was that he had Zaheer dropped by Turner just a few balls before and quite literally decided "I'll do it myself". What a shame, he was electrifying and had gone to another level that short summer...
@@frankcoletta Yes that's true. Thommo said he was annoyed that Turner dropped a catch just prior to this incident.
Thommo had dislocated his collar bone at just 26 years of age....his pace bowling got affected when he returned...very sad for him but batsmen should have bene happy....Pakistan was lucky here as he could notolay after that ball ..he missed the remaining 2 tests as well.
Mr lawrie would u please upload some more videos of that series
like Sydney test imran bowling
The selectors caused him more grief than the shoulder after the injury. Watched him at the Gabba for many years and he was great to watch. he id become the greatest Shield wicket taker which I assume would be surpassed by now.
Never as quick after this accident I think-perhaps occasional deliveries reached similar speeds as of pre-Thommo/Turner.
Poor Thommo was never quite the same bowler after this incident.
Mr Lawri can u upload some more clips of this series.
There is the moment that the west indies overtook Australia as the best side in the world. What would Think i have accomplished without this injury?
I meant to type, what would Thommo have accomplished without this injury?
@@evanaskew6652 hew would have shut these young big mouthed gimps up if nothing else
Looking back, considering standard of wickets especially, and pure speed, I don´t think Thomson was the absolute fastest - but - at consistently 90+mph and that insane action which allowed the ball to really lift steeply off a length...I really think you´d much rather face guys like Holding, Roberts, Marshall, Ambrose, Patterson, Malcolm, Lee, Tait, Akhtar, Starc, Archer, etc
Imran Khan said it was a toss-up between Thomson and Holding with regards to whom was fastest back in the 70s - but it all depended on the condition of the wicket.