I think there is too much focus on the HP (not in the review, just in general). This bike comes with bargain bin suspension and brakes and only costs $1k less than a zx6r which comes with showa BPFs and legit brakes. Cool bike but not great value.
Yeah, seems like a "cash grab" for riders that don't know better. At least the insurance would be less (I think). Upgrade the suspension and brakes and you get... a more expensive/slower bike 9.9
@@rrazote2279Insurance is a good point, I am not sure what they come in at. I would just rather ride the faster bike in a low power mode and enjoy the plush suspension. Although, maybe I am biased because I live in PA and our roads look like downtown Fallujah.
@@chriskratz7075 Insurance is the only reason I "settled" for a z900rs instead of getting a CB1000R. When I had Progressive, they quoted me about $379/mo for the Honda, and $300/mo for the Kawi - monthly payments if I was to finance was $250 for either bike. I told them off and moved to allstate for $70/mo. I couldn't even imagine what it would cost to insure a 600cc sportbike. Here's the irony... I bought a Monkey this spring and modded it up so that it's putting out all of around 13HP, and of the two bikes, it's what I ride more often. Insurance for it is $30/mo. Trying to sell the 900 now, as it's collecting dust in the garage. "Fast on a slow bike" - I honestly, couldn't be happier =P
OC: The gearing that you pointed out is why I upgraded from my R3 to an SV650S. Sure it's not going to be the fastest bike, but I'm more concerned in being able to use more of the bike's power in the twisties and to accelerate than to be able to go 140mph in a straight line down the highway
@@PabloM5 I was referring to the SV. It's got a lot of down low torque but not a huge top speed. But I'm not interested in a bike with a huge top speed because I'm not interested in doing freeway pulls. I want that usable power for the twisties and to get out of iffy situations
You can have two bikes that are identical in weight, but one has that weight up high in the frame and the other has it down low in the frame and the first bike will feel twice as heavy. Weight distribution is what Chase is feeling when he says the R7 feels lighter than a R6.
OC: My dream would be to own a R7 for the mountains/morning rides and a R6 for commuting purposes. Love your videos man you always have the coolest music, camera angles, and choice of scenery spots to ride! Peace and love brother. 🙂🙏
@@tormado I think because this bike will appeal to a much wider market. Everyone in the US aswell as for people in Europe. The engine is this bike will also meet the A2 license power figures and there’s very few high CC sport bikes on the A2 license.
Im considering the R7 as well as R9. I had MT09SP but sold it when moved from CA to TN. I loved the power & electronics, especially the wheelie control!
OC Beautiful footage of you riding, Chase! I’m kind of a Suzuki guy but if i were starting now, this would probably be the bike. There are a million great bike to ride through those magnificent mountains - that has more to do with rider skill and common sense/ self-control. Fun! Thank you!
The only possible reason to have the R6 over the R7 is for the track or of you prefer the sound of the inline 4 engine, which can be so intoxicating. However, for Twisties and general use on the public road, then the practical twin engine advantage of the R7 shines through over the R6 at the end of the day.
I just wanna say, the R7 from 2022 is NOT the R7 from 1999. The 2022 R7 wasn't even made to be anything similar to the 1999 R7. The R7 now is a beginner bike for people who don't want to be slow, but don't want to have R6 speeds. The 2022 R7 is equivalent of a sv650, cbr650r, z650, ninja 650, MT-07, etc. It hurts me inside when people try comparing bikes that don't have any similarity except maybe the looks. I'm still a new rider, only being on the saddle for 3 months, and yet I still understand which types of bikes can't be compared to others, engine layout and gearing can drastically change how 2 bikes are looked at when being compared. R7 is a low power, high torque, parallel twin. R6 is a high power, low torque, inline 4. Both of these are relative to each other. The term "there is no replacement for displacement" holds no meaning when comparing 650s to 600s. So let's stop treating it like it does.
Sold my Ninja 400 a few months ago put over 13k miles in 2 years. I am down to 2 bikes, brand new 2021 ZX6R white/gray or 2022 R7 for practically the same price. The ZX6R has always been my dream bike, but Im loving this R7.
The R7 is just gonna feel like a 400 with a a bit more power….Zx-6r is going to be heavier, thicker, and a whole lot faster … R7 is gonna easier to handle… just depends on what u tryna spend honestly
Well done. I have an original 98 R1, I've worn it out, options are a new (used) engine, or an R7, I think I'll stay with the R1. I rode a lot in Vermont, mountains, very similar to those depicted.
I Just think that we are diminishing the r6 when we compare it with the r7, bikes like the r7 change the mindset in the market, it pushes the manufacturers to charge premium for HP, they can get away with it because 600cc supersports are dying, now all we have are 2 Japanese, the Daytona and I can't see many more, I get that people want more friendly daily riders, but to compare or deny the option to choose will not be good for the market, guess now I have to like naked bikes with fairings...
@@O.World_RR Exactly, I'm from Europe aswell, maybe on the US it makes more sense although I dont get it, more options is always better for everyone. I started on a 250 dirtbike, then I got my R6, if I can do it, everyone can as well, the idea that 600cc are killer bikes that are impossible to manage and have fun with, that are encumberesome to ride, I dont agree and shouldn't dictate the market and people's choices. It's a sad time and even sadder it's fact nobody gives a damn. ^#%@* PC culture
@@O.World_RR Exactly mate, I agree 100% with you. And if you check chase's new video where he tests the R7 for street use, it has the same problems that the R6 has but in my opinion none and absolutely none of the r6 advantages. The bike heats up like a supersport, it causes back pain and sore wrists. So honestly what's the !#$@ing point??? Miles per gallon? You re absolutely right, it's a bike for people that only care about looks, and not to ride an incredible machine that was the R6
Do you even hear yourself talking? "The market" is what makes these things, people don´t want stupid supersports that only make like 30 HP below 10k RPM, they want broad torque curves that are actually usable. Besides only a tiny percentage of people can use the R6´s components, so pls stop only simping about specsheets
@@redo1dr if that is your opinion I respect it, but not everyone thinks like you, that's why we have different opinions, now they took that option from us. Just because you dont enjoy riding supersports doesn't mean everyone else doesn't
@@TheBRUNY1998 Yes that's right, though i stated what we observe happening right now and how the market changes, not really my opinion. More of an explanation i guess...
For those who are thinking Chase is wrong or a sell out...He has A LOT of R6 Experience and he made some darn good points. Im intrigued, I wanna test one. This was a great video. Nice work! -FZ 09 owner
It does not matter how fast you can go or how cool you and your bike looks. All that matters is that you have fun riding. That’s what a true rider cares about , not having the most shiny bike or the fastest . I love my 600 its so much fun, 1000cc bikes are fun and go 180 instead of 160mph. 20mph difference with more power comes more rear wheel spin, the r6 and r7 are great bikes.
OC: The R7 seems like a great bike to have in the mountains. If I had to choose another new bike it be the Aprilia RS660. The Aprilia will cost more but for what you're getting I think the price is more than worth it.
Probably, personally i think less is better I'd take the R7 Also the rs660's got 100hp, I'm riding 48hp at the moment and can hardly wring out the motor. Meaning 72hp would technically be contraproductive. But I'd also only take the R7 for looks and engine sound.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I'm a fan of a raw no rider aids bike like the R7. Reminds me when I started on a Ninja 250. I say I'd take the RS660 because I've been riding for over 11 years so 100bhp isn't a big deal for me. I'm saying that the R7 is over 8k and is bare bones with abs. While the RS660 is just over 10k and comes with tons of tech and features an what I like most the dash and the looks of the bike.
I dont understand how can people justify paying 9k to a new bike which comes with basically nothing compared to rs660 and not paying 11k for the aprilia which has everything. if the bike made more power like r6 then maybe but it make 30 less hp and costs almost as much as the rs660. idk seems so wrong.
@@abyedrikn I imagine people buying the R7 over the Aprilia maybe a cost thing. They may not have over 10k to spend or say your credit is shit may not be able to finance the Aprilia. Or people are getting the R7 for the reliability that Yamaha provides. Plus Yamaha did deliver a great commuter bike that has sportbike styling for a good price.
@@abyedrikn 30hp is not worth 2k imo, you could get a flash for the r7 and probably also get 100hp for no where near that money. If hp is all you care about. Personally, I couldn't care less if the bike has a quickshifter, wheelie control, a colorful screen, a fancy brand name. Especially if none of that actually looks nice, most companies tend to make their tft screens look like ass.
@@opmike343 Aside from that captain obvious, I specified the “RS” aka the variant specifically optimized for track and technical riding while maintaining streetability.
The weight differential is related to inline 4s being top heavy and parallel twins having more of the weight down low. I just ordered the R7 60th Anniversary World GP version. I am a little concerned with the difference because now my 05 ZX6R 636 is going to be converted to a track day bike. I feel like the difference in weight distribution may cause some issues going on track with the 636 after riding the R7 on the street on a regular basis.
@@reubendouds the difference is even bigger than I originally thought. I learned to ride nearly 20 years ago on a ZX6 inline 4. And the guy the taught me had significant track time. So I guess when riding sport bikes I had been using modified track techniques even on the street. So on the 636 I typically shift my butt over to the inside of a turn. Then I brake and learn my upper body until I hit tip-in speed. At that point I use the throttle to hold the line. Then I hit the throttle a little bit and the bike pops straight up. No real muscle at all, other than shifting my weight. All made possible by the top heavy inline 4. So contrast that with the R7. The weight is even lower than I had thought. It is very "flickable" for weaving in and out of traffic. But even slight shifts in my weight (shifting my butt to the inside) can cause a bobble in stability. And relying on the throttle to maintain your lean, or adjust your lean, is not as effective. And it has to be more muscled out of the lean. I can't just blip the throttle and pop it up. All related to the fact that it doesn't have that high center of gravity wanting to get into a straight upright position. I have found on the R7, on the street, that maintaining the best speed through turns doesn't involve the outside inside outside technique. It's more picking the correct line with much less braking and not getting near a knee dragging lean. It's hard to explain, but I do have a RUclips channel launching soon that will explain all that I'm talking about with video. As far as being a fan of the R7, contrary to what you might think from the above paragraphs, I do love it. It serves the purpose of why I brought it. I am abnormally tall above the waist. 6'2" with a 30" inseam. On a naked bike, with no wind screen, I act like a parachute and all my weight ends up distributed towards the back. The wind screen and fairings of the R7 keep that from happening. Start and stop downtown riding is just as brutal on the hands and wrists as the ZX6. But I rode from Panama City Beach to Destin nonstop with no pain. That was more than I had expected and exactly what I was looking for. So, yes, I am a big fan of the R7. But riding it on the street, and riding a ZX6 at the track is not a good idea. So that is a little disappointing.
OC: If I was younger, the R7 would be a prime choice. But at my age, I want a little more upright position and not so much leg tuck. My R1200RT would be my choice now. Now if we can just get this pandemic beat down, I'll come down there and ride those mountains also.
OC: if were gonna be talking about the price i would go for the new zx6r that has the same price point and has the same powerplant as the R6 if were going to be price practical. Hahaha. But i would go for the R7 because it’s a street bike you can track not the other way around. Haha
@@Daniel-dj7fh yes its “supposedly” a street bike but the power plant is the same as the r6 a high revving inline four we both can agree that it’s not practical for the road. So R7 it is! Hahah
Sure going balls to the wall is fun as hell but I would rather get up to speed to stop light to stop light again tho the bike you buy should be inviting to the ride you wanna do oboviousoy wouldn't buy a street to go city during the week and trail over the weekend.
I am Six ft four, would i feel comfortable on this bike as my first? im considering either this or the mt-07, or Ninja 400. I'm still unsure what to go for as I've never ridden any bike yet
OC in this 700 class id take the xsr700(hard to find) but then i would want to change some stuff and for the price of entry plus mods Im better off with a mt-09
OC: I believe my fiancé wants to get the R7 as her next bike. She is 5'2" and not ready for her dream R1. She said the R7 was probably the best bike for her and I agree
Nothing can convince me to buy a bike 50hp lesser than what its supposed to be replacing. I love your videos btw I personally just don't like the R7😂. People better off getting a R3 bc that seems to be the crowd that its really marketed towards anyways. I think it was so dumb of yamaha to kill off a great bike for this bs, bc they was honestly better off killing the R3 bc price wise its really not much of a difference & bike wise they both really beginner friendly bikes.
First bike after a long pause in riding was the FZ-07. The bike was super fun at first, but after the first month I was already looking for more power. Before I sunk the money into it, I laid her down due to my misunderstanding of how I should take corners. I bought an R6 in 2020 (not knowing she’d be the last street model) and I’ve got to ride it as my daily for 3 months now. For me personally, my biggest gripe of the R6 is the FZ-07 was more comfy and the torque on it was better street oriented. The R6 is an absolute blast when you wind her up BUT I rarely have somewhere on busy Streets to get up to 10k rpm where she sings because I have to be going around 50+. Any thoughts on if they had squeezed the MT-09 motor on there and smoothed out the power delivery?
yea bike with better lowend forgive more in some circumstances if you do gear misteake cos they dont looose so much at to high gear as if they wpuld have less hp dow low etc however in rain cold it can be worse 🤭 👍🏻 amatuer on r6 vs r7 out of corner in rain cold weatherbpth from 5 k rpm and on r7 he go down waaaay more easier cos r7 at 5 k rpm make 40 hp around at back wheel where r6 newest model only 25 😂🫣 r6 at this rpm is hilariously weaker than r7 👌🏻and thanks this on r6 he may comfortable go out of this corner without crash 🤷🏻♂️😁 so like ypu seee its not so easy thers plenty diffrent scenario each characterisitic have its advantage you have to get used to it 👌🏻 whatever what do driver on both bike asf one is 100% obvious push both bike really hard so ride on both power band and r6 give 0 chance r7 👌🏻 stil though as daily commuter as me only one bike in garage assuming i couldnt change in r6 handlebars placement etc im 100% would choice r7 👌🏻 stronger lowend and lil more comfortable position for me is enough to choice it and not r6 which is better only when you start ride like you stole it or on track well better is to big word i quees cos you can have more fun on slower bike depend on your preferention so not better butdefenitely faster 👍🏻
A parallel twin just doesn't put a smile on your face and make you grip the handlebars like the rocket known as the inline 4.. Yamaha knows this, that's why they've decided to meet in the middle with the soon to be released 3 cylinder R9.. People that would have bought an R6 will not buy an R7. I don't care how brand loyal they are.. Because they want something with balls and Yamaha castrated their loyal R6 owners that buy the new R6 every couple of years and they'll switch to 1 of the other 3 Japanese companies for those balls, unless you move up to an R1.. You don't see people acting like the Ninja 650 is almost as good as the 636 in some and better in other ways because it's bullshit... Come-on dude you're influencing new-ish riders to purchase something that 90% of them aren't going to like or be happy with 2 months after owning one
Why are we still comparing one of the most legendary I4s to a CP2💀💀💀 basically the r7 is for guys who think they want an r6 as a beginner and if you have good enough experience learning the technicalities of sport riding then the r6 is your friend and you’ll be kinda bored on the r7 but low rpm wheelies will be much easier to achieve
Also if being better for a commute is also the main point of this bike again why not just make it your entry level bike & kill the R3. I just want companies to stop trying to make sportbikes into bitch bikes😂.
I mean yeah but that's kinda apples and oranges, the 675 is putting down near r6 power and they don't make it anymore. That being said I love the 675 in my Street Triple
I find the naming from Yamaha so confusing, before the r7 got released i thought it would be a better R6, but the R6 is miles ahead of the r7 in every possible category
@@TheEryk03 nah the 1 is for 1000cc that's obvious, but what i mean is that the 6 in R6 means that it has 600cc and the 7 in R7 that it has 700cc, therefore I thought with more cc comes more HP (that was before i first read the article about the r7, after that i got what they did)
What doesnt make sense is how is the R1 one of the fastest but the R3 is one of the slowest, but then the R6 is considered a high standard for the 600 class
I'm not a professional rider, i do own a R series, but in any situation, with all respect i would go for the Legendary Yamaha YZF-R6. Sad they discontinued R6 for a Twin!😢
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LOVE my R7 . I feel like it does everything well . Engine is brilliant for city riding as well as country
I think there is too much focus on the HP (not in the review, just in general). This bike comes with bargain bin suspension and brakes and only costs $1k less than a zx6r which comes with showa BPFs and legit brakes. Cool bike but not great value.
100% agree
Yeah, seems like a "cash grab" for riders that don't know better. At least the insurance would be less (I think). Upgrade the suspension and brakes and you get... a more expensive/slower bike 9.9
@@rrazote2279Insurance is a good point, I am not sure what they come in at. I would just rather ride the faster bike in a low power mode and enjoy the plush suspension. Although, maybe I am biased because I live in PA and our roads look like downtown Fallujah.
@@chriskratz7075 Insurance is the only reason I "settled" for a z900rs instead of getting a CB1000R. When I had Progressive, they quoted me about $379/mo for the Honda, and $300/mo for the Kawi - monthly payments if I was to finance was $250 for either bike. I told them off and moved to allstate for $70/mo. I couldn't even imagine what it would cost to insure a 600cc sportbike. Here's the irony... I bought a Monkey this spring and modded it up so that it's putting out all of around 13HP, and of the two bikes, it's what I ride more often. Insurance for it is $30/mo. Trying to sell the 900 now, as it's collecting dust in the garage. "Fast on a slow bike" - I honestly, couldn't be happier =P
@@rrazote2279 what kind of mods do you have on the monkey? I have a Grom that I ride the shit out of and I’m wanting more power to it
that camera car tho. Production value always on point
OC: The gearing that you pointed out is why I upgraded from my R3 to an SV650S. Sure it's not going to be the fastest bike, but I'm more concerned in being able to use more of the bike's power in the twisties and to accelerate than to be able to go 140mph in a straight line down the highway
Yeah idk if ur r3 would go 140mph down a highway bro my ninja 400 doesn’t even 🤣🤣
@@PabloM5 I was referring to the SV. It's got a lot of down low torque but not a huge top speed. But I'm not interested in a bike with a huge top speed because I'm not interested in doing freeway pulls. I want that usable power for the twisties and to get out of iffy situations
Sv650 owner my track bike and it’s still my favorite bike!
I’m back in New Zealand now but loved seeing the blood mountain run. Used to run my R1 and Monster S4RS up there most weekends
Kia ora!
That's awesome man. Would love the experience to ride a bike in another country. Getting pretty bored of the flat plains in Australia haha
You can have two bikes that are identical in weight, but one has that weight up high in the frame and the other has it down low in the frame and the first bike will feel twice as heavy. Weight distribution is what Chase is feeling when he says the R7 feels lighter than a R6.
Aprilia wow'd people with the RS 660, while the R7 seems like a budget parts bin creation. I just expected more from Yamaha.
Yea an additional $2,300 will get ya a lot.
@@chaseontwowheels I will say the R7 might be an interesting used option in a could years. I suspect they will sell for 4-6K used.
@@chaseontwowheels An R7 with $2,300 dumped into it still wont compete with RS660.
@@dancarlos1216 I am pretty sure he meant you get a lot more for your money with the RS660.
OC: My dream would be to own a R7 for the mountains/morning rides and a R6 for commuting purposes. Love your videos man you always have the coolest music, camera angles, and choice of scenery spots to ride! Peace and love brother. 🙂🙏
Also sorry for using your name Chase. I thought it was really creative and original (all credit to you my friend).
an R9 with the triple would sell me on that platform.
No idea why Yamaha didn't do that instead
@@tormado I think because this bike will appeal to a much wider market. Everyone in the US aswell as for people in Europe. The engine is this bike will also meet the A2 license power figures and there’s very few high CC sport bikes on the A2 license.
boy are you happy now...
@@brianpogasic9872 Better late than never!
Speed Triple RS. The 1050 and not the new 1200. Because I don’t have one yet. OC baby!!!
Im considering the R7 as well as R9. I had MT09SP but sold it when moved from CA to TN. I loved the power & electronics, especially the wheelie control!
OC Beautiful footage of you riding, Chase! I’m kind of a Suzuki guy but if i were starting now, this would probably be the bike. There are a million great bike to ride through those magnificent mountains - that has more to do with rider skill and common sense/ self-control. Fun! Thank you!
I'm just here for your sweet, sweet camera car B Roll.... I was not disappointed. :-)
It isn’t as much about weight but how the weight is distributed throughout the motorcycle
Totally agree.
How is it that the GoPro cam shows nothing in front of you but you have an angle of the front of your bike?? I'm so confused 😂😂
They do multiple runs...
Twin cylinder provide more torque on lower rpm than the 4 cylinder. Thats why feels lighter. I still love the 4 cylinder sounds.
Twin cylinder engine bikes are just so much more practical and useful for the street than an inline four engine bike.
That light in the middle just really really bugs me.
me too
Same
The only possible reason to have the R6 over the R7 is for the track or of you prefer the sound of the inline 4 engine, which can be so intoxicating. However, for Twisties and general use on the public road, then the practical twin engine advantage of the R7 shines through over the R6 at the end of the day.
I just wanna say, the R7 from 2022 is NOT the R7 from 1999. The 2022 R7 wasn't even made to be anything similar to the 1999 R7. The R7 now is a beginner bike for people who don't want to be slow, but don't want to have R6 speeds. The 2022 R7 is equivalent of a sv650, cbr650r, z650, ninja 650, MT-07, etc. It hurts me inside when people try comparing bikes that don't have any similarity except maybe the looks. I'm still a new rider, only being on the saddle for 3 months, and yet I still understand which types of bikes can't be compared to others, engine layout and gearing can drastically change how 2 bikes are looked at when being compared. R7 is a low power, high torque, parallel twin. R6 is a high power, low torque, inline 4. Both of these are relative to each other. The term "there is no replacement for displacement" holds no meaning when comparing 650s to 600s. So let's stop treating it like it does.
It looks like it would be better too commute on the r7 then the r6
It is
Depends on your style! I have no issues commuting on my r6 😁
Swiss here: Mountains? What mountains?😳
It's the eastern US. Our mountains are a bit older, but still fun. That said, I've seen a few places three I am looking forward to riding through.
Sold my Ninja 400 a few months ago put over 13k miles in 2 years. I am down to 2 bikes, brand new 2021 ZX6R white/gray or 2022 R7 for practically the same price. The ZX6R has always been my dream bike, but Im loving this R7.
definitely ZX6R
The R7 is just gonna feel like a 400 with a a bit more power….Zx-6r is going to be heavier, thicker, and a whole lot faster … R7 is gonna easier to handle… just depends on what u tryna spend honestly
If u buy an r7 over any inline 4 600 you're going to regret it.
That shit will never keep up with any supersports in its cc class.
It's like watching a movie, the filming is professional
Nice review! i love the way it looks and the cp2 but that top yoke looooks soooooooo cheap
If it had the sound of an inline 4 i'd be all for it. my ears are betraying me
Well done. I have an original 98 R1, I've worn it out, options are a new (used) engine, or an R7, I think I'll stay with the R1. I rode a lot in Vermont, mountains, very similar to those depicted.
OC great, now I want an r7, and Mt 07, and a t7.
Right tool for the job right?
I Just think that we are diminishing the r6 when we compare it with the r7, bikes like the r7 change the mindset in the market, it pushes the manufacturers to charge premium for HP, they can get away with it because 600cc supersports are dying, now all we have are 2 Japanese, the Daytona and I can't see many more, I get that people want more friendly daily riders, but to compare or deny the option to choose will not be good for the market, guess now I have to like naked bikes with fairings...
@@O.World_RR Exactly, I'm from Europe aswell, maybe on the US it makes more sense although I dont get it, more options is always better for everyone.
I started on a 250 dirtbike, then I got my R6, if I can do it, everyone can as well, the idea that 600cc are killer bikes that are impossible to manage and have fun with, that are encumberesome to ride, I dont agree and shouldn't dictate the market and people's choices.
It's a sad time and even sadder it's fact nobody gives a damn.
^#%@* PC culture
@@O.World_RR Exactly mate, I agree 100% with you.
And if you check chase's new video where he tests the R7 for street use, it has the same problems that the R6 has but in my opinion none and absolutely none of the r6 advantages.
The bike heats up like a supersport, it causes back pain and sore wrists.
So honestly what's the !#$@ing point???
Miles per gallon?
You re absolutely right, it's a bike for people that only care about looks, and not to ride an incredible machine that was the R6
Do you even hear yourself talking?
"The market" is what makes these things, people don´t want stupid supersports that only make like 30 HP below 10k RPM, they want broad torque curves that are actually usable.
Besides only a tiny percentage of people can use the R6´s components, so pls stop only simping about specsheets
@@redo1dr if that is your opinion I respect it, but not everyone thinks like you, that's why we have different opinions, now they took that option from us.
Just because you dont enjoy riding supersports doesn't mean everyone else doesn't
@@TheBRUNY1998 Yes that's right, though i stated what we observe happening right now and how the market changes, not really my opinion. More of an explanation i guess...
For those who are thinking Chase is wrong or a sell out...He has A LOT of R6 Experience and he made some darn good points. Im intrigued, I wanna test one. This was a great video. Nice work!
-FZ 09 owner
It does not matter how fast you can go or how cool you and your bike looks. All that matters is that you have fun riding. That’s what a true rider cares about , not having the most shiny bike or the fastest . I love my 600 its so much fun, 1000cc bikes are fun and go 180 instead of 160mph. 20mph difference with more power comes more rear wheel spin, the r6 and r7 are great bikes.
Only thing I don’t like about the bike is the gsxr headlight , the last R6 IMO had the cleanest looking head lights
OC: The R7 seems like a great bike to have in the mountains. If I had to choose another new bike it be the Aprilia RS660. The Aprilia will cost more but for what you're getting I think the price is more than worth it.
Probably, personally i think less is better I'd take the R7
Also the rs660's got 100hp, I'm riding 48hp at the moment and can hardly wring out the motor. Meaning 72hp would technically be contraproductive. But I'd also only take the R7 for looks and engine sound.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I'm a fan of a raw no rider aids bike like the R7. Reminds me when I started on a Ninja 250. I say I'd take the RS660 because I've been riding for over 11 years so 100bhp isn't a big deal for me. I'm saying that the R7 is over 8k and is bare bones with abs. While the RS660 is just over 10k and comes with tons of tech and features an what I like most the dash and the looks of the bike.
I dont understand how can people justify paying 9k to a new bike which comes with basically nothing compared to rs660 and not paying 11k for the aprilia which has everything. if the bike made more power like r6 then maybe but it make 30 less hp and costs almost as much as the rs660. idk seems so wrong.
@@abyedrikn I imagine people buying the R7 over the Aprilia maybe a cost thing. They may not have over 10k to spend or say your credit is shit may not be able to finance the Aprilia. Or people are getting the R7 for the reliability that Yamaha provides. Plus Yamaha did deliver a great commuter bike that has sportbike styling for a good price.
@@abyedrikn 30hp is not worth 2k imo, you could get a flash for the r7 and probably also get 100hp for no where near that money.
If hp is all you care about.
Personally, I couldn't care less if the bike has a quickshifter, wheelie control, a colorful screen, a fancy brand name. Especially if none of that actually looks nice, most companies tend to make their tft screens look like ass.
Just my opinion so each to there own but this bike is a big step backwards for yamaha
OC: I think the street triple rs would be better for technical/track riding.
Umm, yeah. It costs 4K more, so obviously it's going to be an improvement.
@@opmike343 Aside from that captain obvious, I specified the “RS” aka the variant specifically optimized for track and technical riding while maintaining streetability.
"Mountains" *laughs in 11,000 ft elevation* aka * laughs in Coloradoan*
And the Himalayan mountains in Nepal and China laughs at you at an elevation of 28,000ft+
We will wait the R9 or R4 that have four cylinders
The weight differential is related to inline 4s being top heavy and parallel twins having more of the weight down low. I just ordered the R7 60th Anniversary World GP version. I am a little concerned with the difference because now my 05 ZX6R 636 is going to be converted to a track day bike. I feel like the difference in weight distribution may cause some issues going on track with the 636 after riding the R7 on the street on a regular basis.
How have you found the difference? Are you a fan of the R7?
@@reubendouds the difference is even bigger than I originally thought. I learned to ride nearly 20 years ago on a ZX6 inline 4. And the guy the taught me had significant track time. So I guess when riding sport bikes I had been using modified track techniques even on the street.
So on the 636 I typically shift my butt over to the inside of a turn. Then I brake and learn my upper body until I hit tip-in speed. At that point I use the throttle to hold the line. Then I hit the throttle a little bit and the bike pops straight up. No real muscle at all, other than shifting my weight. All made possible by the top heavy inline 4.
So contrast that with the R7. The weight is even lower than I had thought. It is very "flickable" for weaving in and out of traffic. But even slight shifts in my weight (shifting my butt to the inside) can cause a bobble in stability. And relying on the throttle to maintain your lean, or adjust your lean, is not as effective. And it has to be more muscled out of the lean. I can't just blip the throttle and pop it up. All related to the fact that it doesn't have that high center of gravity wanting to get into a straight upright position.
I have found on the R7, on the street, that maintaining the best speed through turns doesn't involve the outside inside outside technique. It's more picking the correct line with much less braking and not getting near a knee dragging lean. It's hard to explain, but I do have a RUclips channel launching soon that will explain all that I'm talking about with video.
As far as being a fan of the R7, contrary to what you might think from the above paragraphs, I do love it. It serves the purpose of why I brought it. I am abnormally tall above the waist. 6'2" with a 30" inseam. On a naked bike, with no wind screen, I act like a parachute and all my weight ends up distributed towards the back. The wind screen and fairings of the R7 keep that from happening. Start and stop downtown riding is just as brutal on the hands and wrists as the ZX6. But I rode from Panama City Beach to Destin nonstop with no pain. That was more than I had expected and exactly what I was looking for.
So, yes, I am a big fan of the R7. But riding it on the street, and riding a ZX6 at the track is not a good idea. So that is a little disappointing.
I love my R 7
OC: If I was younger, the R7 would be a prime choice. But at my age, I want a little more upright position and not so much leg tuck. My R1200RT would be my choice now. Now if we can just get this pandemic beat down, I'll come down there and ride those mountains also.
RS660 vs R7!!! that be huge vid!
Spoiler alert. Yes the R7 is slower, and its by a lot.....
OC: if were gonna be talking about the price i would go for the new zx6r that has the same price point and has the same powerplant as the R6 if were going to be price practical. Hahaha. But i would go for the R7 because it’s a street bike you can track not the other way around. Haha
The zx6r is also a street bike you can track.
The engine is just concepted for track, and not very practical for the road
@@Daniel-dj7fh yes its “supposedly” a street bike but the power plant is the same as the r6 a high revving inline four we both can agree that it’s not practical for the road. So R7 it is! Hahah
@@eddverdillo2589 I mean, I'd personally go R7, because it's more useable. But if you want a zx6r, go get it.
@@Daniel-dj7fh i just like the sound of the engine. Hahahaha. Usable torque is better than horse power and top speed.
@@eddverdillo2589 Yea, I wish I could get my hands on a kawasaki zx25r. Also has an Inline4, would be an amazing bike
Looks like a sweet bike
Sure going balls to the wall is fun as hell but I would rather get up to speed to stop light to stop light
again tho the bike you buy should be inviting to the ride you wanna do oboviousoy wouldn't buy a street to go city during the week and trail over the weekend.
Yes.
Buying one cash in December, got 3K saved already 😁
Just buy it now with credit...dont waste 2months of riding left in 2021....
I am Six ft four, would i feel comfortable on this bike as my first? im considering either this or the mt-07, or Ninja 400. I'm still unsure what to go for as I've never ridden any bike yet
Is this the area where you crashed? It looks familiar.
OC in this 700 class id take the xsr700(hard to find) but then i would want to change some stuff and for the price of entry plus mods Im better off with a mt-09
Not sure if you have mentioned or have model in the US but are you riding learner approved version or HO full version. Or that just AUS market
simple yes
OC: I believe my fiancé wants to get the R7 as her next bike. She is 5'2" and not ready for her dream R1. She said the R7 was probably the best bike for her and I agree
You might want to check it’s seat height, it’s taller than the R1 and a few inches higher than the MT07.
@@richardroberts3416 she sat on it. It's thinner so it works better than the r1
dam Im 5'9 and i cant stand flat footed on my R7..She might have a tuff time..Unless she can get it lowered
@@brianalan4436 I mean, im 5'9" and I'm not flat foot on either my 636 or 899
I just can't stand to look at that triple clamp. It looks like something off a Coleman mini bike.
To everyone at the gas station it looks like you are lecturing the motorcycle.
R6 vs R7 : one look like the other BUT a R7 will never be a wonderfull (and powerfull ! ) R6 !
What part of north Georgia you go to dawsonville?
Can it handle the mountains?? See Torque.
Yeah Man it's Slower, it has a Parallel Twin making like 70hp. They should have made an R9 with Their Transverse 3...
OC rather have the r7. But y'all meant r7 review right?
Nothing can convince me to buy a bike 50hp lesser than what its supposed to be replacing. I love your videos btw I personally just don't like the R7😂. People better off getting a R3 bc that seems to be the crowd that its really marketed towards anyways. I think it was so dumb of yamaha to kill off a great bike for this bs, bc they was honestly better off killing the R3 bc price wise its really not much of a difference & bike wise they both really beginner friendly bikes.
Which part of GA were you riding in?
Like a 4 stroke TZR250!
Imagine the weight you would savewith a full system. Would be even lighter
Super 👌
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Yamaha must be crazy... this shit the entire R line.
R6
Turbo the R7!
oc ..I love my R7
OC 💙
890 duke or 1290 super duke r.
First bike after a long pause in riding was the FZ-07. The bike was super fun at first, but after the first month I was already looking for more power. Before I sunk the money into it, I laid her down due to my misunderstanding of how I should take corners. I bought an R6 in 2020 (not knowing she’d be the last street model) and I’ve got to ride it as my daily for 3 months now. For me personally, my biggest gripe of the R6 is the FZ-07 was more comfy and the torque on it was better street oriented. The R6 is an absolute blast when you wind her up BUT I rarely have somewhere on busy Streets to get up to 10k rpm where she sings because I have to be going around 50+. Any thoughts on if they had squeezed the MT-09 motor on there and smoothed out the power delivery?
"It wasn't fun after a month because I want power. And I crashed."
k bud
Hey chase! R7 vs scrambler cafe.....? How do you think they compare to each other? Love the content by the way! Keep it up!
It's all objective, but I like riding Supersport bikes more.
This bike only have 2 cylinder, meanwhile R6 had 4 cylinder... even cbr650r can smoke this bike out bruh.
R7 2 cilynder and R6 4 cilynder
Soooo, this is not a video comparing the two bikes….? Just Chase thinking out loud… *sigh*
OC R7 is not even comparable to R6 in my opinion. R7 is more like the CBR500R if anything.
That thumbnail made lol.
yea bike with better lowend forgive more in some circumstances if you do gear misteake cos they dont looose so much at to high gear as if they wpuld have less hp dow low etc however in rain cold it can be worse 🤭 👍🏻 amatuer on r6 vs r7 out of corner in rain cold weatherbpth from 5 k rpm and on r7 he go down waaaay more easier cos r7 at 5 k rpm make 40 hp around at back wheel where r6 newest model only 25 😂🫣 r6 at this rpm is hilariously weaker than r7 👌🏻and thanks this on r6 he may comfortable go out of this corner without crash 🤷🏻♂️😁 so like ypu seee its not so easy thers plenty diffrent scenario each characterisitic have its advantage you have to get used to it 👌🏻 whatever what do driver on both bike asf one is 100% obvious push both bike really hard so ride on both power band and r6 give 0 chance r7 👌🏻 stil though as daily commuter as me only one bike in garage assuming i couldnt change in r6 handlebars placement etc im 100% would choice r7 👌🏻 stronger lowend and lil more comfortable position for me is enough to choice it and not r6 which is better only when you start ride like you stole it or on track well better is to big word i quees cos you can have more fun on slower bike depend on your preferention so not better butdefenitely faster 👍🏻
You know that’s Mexico not blood man!!!! 😂😂
I've got about 3k miles on my R7. It's vanilla AF.
That's 5 min from my house
A parallel twin just doesn't put a smile on your face and make you grip the handlebars like the rocket known as the inline 4.. Yamaha knows this, that's why they've decided to meet in the middle with the soon to be released 3 cylinder R9.. People that would have bought an R6 will not buy an R7. I don't care how brand loyal they are.. Because they want something with balls and Yamaha castrated their loyal R6 owners that buy the new R6 every couple of years and they'll switch to 1 of the other 3 Japanese companies for those balls, unless you move up to an R1.. You don't see people acting like the Ninja 650 is almost as good as the 636 in some and better in other ways because it's bullshit... Come-on dude you're influencing new-ish riders to purchase something that 90% of them aren't going to like or be happy with 2 months after owning one
This only means 1 thing for me gsxr750 is better
sometime it looks like gsx
Great motorcycle bro
Twin engine? I Don’t like the sound of that.. Seinfeld
Why are we still comparing one of the most legendary I4s to a CP2💀💀💀 basically the r7 is for guys who think they want an r6 as a beginner and if you have good enough experience learning the technicalities of sport riding then the r6 is your friend and you’ll be kinda bored on the r7 but low rpm wheelies will be much easier to achieve
“the r7 is for guys who think they want an r6 as a beginner” that was literally me bruh 😭
@@RubyXIII it was me too and I have the X-ray to prove it lol.
Also if being better for a commute is also the main point of this bike again why not just make it your entry level bike & kill the R3. I just want companies to stop trying to make sportbikes into bitch bikes😂.
So u don't have to watch the entire video
Yes the R7 is somehow faster when it comes to top speed
OC
OC: Daytona 675R > R7
I mean yeah but that's kinda apples and oranges, the 675 is putting down near r6 power and they don't make it anymore. That being said I love the 675 in my Street Triple
@@gandr10 765 😉
This was just one big commercial for the r7. 🤮
I find the naming from Yamaha so confusing, before the r7 got released i thought it would be a better R6, but the R6 is miles ahead of the r7 in every possible category
People who don’t know anything about motorcycles would think that.
So in your "logic" R6 is 6x better than R1 lol
@@hellfire08 and you obviously knew everything from the beginning Mr i know everything
@@TheEryk03 nah the 1 is for 1000cc that's obvious, but what i mean is that the 6 in R6 means that it has 600cc and the 7 in R7 that it has 700cc, therefore I thought with more cc comes more HP (that was before i first read the article about the r7, after that i got what they did)
yamaha also calls the r3 a supersport. take it with a grain of salt.
Nay. I wouldn't want one of them.
What doesnt make sense is how is the R1 one of the fastest but the R3 is one of the slowest, but then the R6 is considered a high standard for the 600 class
r7 is gangster untill the r9 comes out.
Bike sounds like trash. No for me.
I think you meant to say Yamaha R7 mountain review!
I'm not a professional rider, i do own a R series, but in any situation, with all respect i would go for the Legendary Yamaha YZF-R6. Sad they discontinued R6 for a Twin!😢