CYBERPUNK - Terrible Writing Advice
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- Technology sucks! Here is a cyberpunk video that proves it. What has technology ever done for humanity? It certainly can’t be that it’s not the technology, but how humans utilized their tools that determines their quality of life. No. That can’t be it at all. Better ramble about that in my cyberpunk story and dress it up in purple prose. Also I should add some cyber powers while I’m at it. Those won’t make technology look cool. Read my honest thoughts on cyberpunk here: jpbeaubien.com/terrible-writin...
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Sure the protagonist has lots of awesome technological abilities, but he'll be the first to tell you "I never asked for this."
Holy shit, a homeworld fan
I've always wanted to do a redub of that scene in DXHR on a 100%ed NG+: "I never asked for this...but god damn it's awesome."
My thoughts exactly, a Homeworld fan! I approve.
A homeworld fan!!!!
"I never asked for this" is an optional line of dialogue. The game also lets you pick a "detached" line and an "optimistic" line.
"Takes place in the future where corporations finally defeated ad block once and for all" NOOOOOOOOOO!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who wondered how intrusive ads would get once we have a fully functioning "air display" system or internally programmed email system. :s
Can you imagine swatting away ads at the dinner table as they pop up all around you? Or being thrown out of an exam when a bunch of noisy ads pop up around you? XD
Aegix Drakan - that or everyone would have to take exams and have dinner in cubicles with cameras to ensure they remain compliant ... erm, I mean are safe and not cheating!
ur mum blocks ads
Aegix Drakan I'm a programmer, you can bet the first thing I'm doing is modding it not to do that.
Elias, do not lie to us!!!! We know your EVIL SCHEMES!!!!!1!!11!!!!!!
You forgot to mention that the city should be vaguely Asian, but with white people
So Atlanta?
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 lol
What about if the city is Asian with Asian people? So, my story.
@@synflwr there should definitely be a lot of Asian people too
Can you specify what part of Asia? Asia is fairly large continent with multiple different styles and cultures.
Cyberpunk: Actively hates the technology of focus
Steampunk: Loves it so much that it’s literally the only focus of the story
Either way you're still not allowed to take any corpse or any living things that you attached with the clockwork virus to those two conventions
wat
Read my book please
Coming out in 2022
Bioshock × Deus Ex
Writing is easy. You just stare at your computer screen and bang your head on the desk and wish for the sweet release of death.
Forretress of Solitude oh... So I've been writing all this time? By now I've probably written something half decent. Welp, back to writing!
*BAM*
*BAM*
*BAM*
*BAM*
Owen Pryce WAIT! You forgot to delete five whole chapters out of your book and rewrite them again and again.
Now back to writing my Sci-fi novel
BAM
BAM
BAM
It's that easy?! WOW IMMA WRITE ONE RIGHT NOW!
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Remix the Idiot Every Publishing company: Do it again
Forretress of Solitude Only words a true writer can produce and understand, lol.
At least you know about the most important part of cyberpunk
H E X A G O N S
Rap é música de nóia e vagabundo.
Rei Pelégolas nada a ver Mano
I never asked for this
Wrong! It's triangles. Triangles everywhere!
Louis Duarte you are almost right, my friend.
If you add a circle to the triangle it is said that you will achieve the ultimate form of enlightment, making you fit to finnaly write a cyberpunk story that isn't just like every other cyberpunk story.
I think it would be cool to see a story where it seems to start all dark and gritty, but then a public announcement comes on and says the power should be back up and running in a few minutes.
That actually sounds awesome, Pretzelbomb. something like We Happy Few where emotion-modulating implant--rather than chemical, is prevalent and one day the server's just down with the power
@marios gianopoulos You alright there bud?
yes
Pretzelbomb I’m your 700th like and I would find that opening hilarious 😂🤣
that would be the start of a Mel Brooks parody of the Matrix...which we actually need if he were not retired from producing movies now
"Bunch of Asian countries who cares"
Have you forgotten how many cyberpunk writers are Japan-obsessed weebs?
Weebs who can't even be bothered to learn to differentiate Asian people from one another.
And even when cyberpunk is in japan its just Asian stereotypes. Its like no one did research on how asia has lots of cultures and not everything is Japan.
@@cheesecakelasagna are you saying we should give entity to The Philippines? Ew.
Yeah. Literaly everyone at Pixar.
@@Saint_Wolf_ or indonesia and all of South east Asia
"Can I f*** it?" Fandoms in a nutshell.
*internet in a nutshell
This isn't a question for the future. **** robots are already a thing.
"Human race in a nutshell"
Organisms in a nutshell
And thus half-elves were created...
Remember to get the Frankenstein moral wrong too, because you've never read the book and you've only seen the films, and all the films get it wrong.
Everyone loves Frankenstein... and the Guy who made him... uhm... Dr. Wily i think
@@DasKame Nono, it's not Dr. Wily, it's Dr. Willy, didn't you play Megaman 7?
@@demi-femme4821 oh no no no no, you see, that's a super common mistranslation. You see, his true name is Dr. Wawy.
@@webbowser8834 wasn't it Dr. Who
@@Epsilon191 it was doctor witty
I want to see a cyberpunk story set in rural Wyoming.
What? It's not like the rest of the world goes away when the dystopian megalopolises are built.
Festus Omega
I'm writing one in rural eastern British Columbia does that count enough to be interesting
Wyoming doesn’t exist.
Yeah sure, but the economy would probably be centralized around the megalopolises
@@thealientree3821 Unless you're writing a Western story (or historical fiction that takes place around the time when moving out West was a thing).
neuromancer, the first one ever made
This is good, but it’s missing the endless game-breaking glitches and Keanu Reeves.
True True
Wake the fuck up Samurai, we’ve got a city to-
*PS4 crash noise*
No mention of a love triangle in the first 60 seconds. Bad terrible writing advice.
It's a little late, but 3:46
But it DID have a love triangle!
ur mum is a love triangle
akromakroma I'm so sick of unnecessary romance that if I ever will write a book all my characters will be asexual.
Dorriys interesting idea.
I stopped writing my supernatural dystopian love triangle taking place in a fantasy world wizard school just for this
Don`t do that, people will buy your shi.. I mean master piece like water , just looks at mos of thet hoolywood movies
Don't worry, it was all just a dream caused by time traveling aliens.
Wait so after a magical equivalent of a nuclear war, a new wizard school is rebuilt by the survivors to recreate a society. But the magical fallout creates a toxic aura of dark magic,causing ramped mutations turning some into monsters ,demons or even undead wraiths.The aftermath of the war , leavings some advance forms of Magic lost, smithing, even infrastructure lost to time, leaving generations later fighting over the scraps of pre war magic, or creating new variants made with the toxin magic aura. The survivors magic users fighting over resource and old magic, while also worrying about abomination born from the dark magic fallout. It’s fallout if it took place in the elder scrolls universe.
My Fish Tried Eating His Own Poop I want to read that!!
you too? dammit I thought I was the only one to come up with that idea...
I have an idea for a cyber punk novel. It's about a bunch a companies that promise innovation, but only deliver subpar, inefficient technology, wasting everyone's time an money. You want a new cybernetic arm? Sure, but it can't lift anything heavier than a half empty soda can and is prone to catching fire and occasionally exploding because it uses a lithium batter the size of cinder block. You want a self driving car? Sure, but it always takes an obscure route and isn't programmed to to pull over if being pursued by a police car, so every time your taillight is out you get into an unwilling high speed pursuit.
Alexander Chippel
So basically, Apple, but in the future?
I hear Aperture Science is hiring...
That sounds exactly like OCP from the original Robocop, especially the ED209 security robot - a robot that carries gatling guns for arms, but can't walk down stairs.
Sounds fun
not to mention that it goes into killing frenzy when it cant distinguish if the person surrenders or not.. god I love robocop :D
I like how the glasses make him look like he's blushing.
There are two types of people ^
Both
"why have characters with limits when you can have the illusions of limits and just have our hero be overpowered?" sounds like alot of anime I know XD.
Or The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.
Reki Kawahara approves...
mahouka koukou no rettousei in a nutshell
That sounds like a lot of fiction period
100% of anime is 100% shit writing
4:33
The constant use of "sentience" when people mean "sapience" drives me absolutely bonkers.
They’re the same thing in the eyes of the public. Go and invent a new term.
Reading SCPs cured me of the confusion
@@cara-setun can you explain the difference
What's the difference?
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Sentience is the ability to _think._ Sapience is the ability to _reason._
A dog is sentient. Their thoughts may mostly be "I love you can I have a treat", but they're thoughts nevertheless.
A person is aware of their own existence, can make logical connections, understand abstract and complex concepts, make informed decisions.
One thing I don't get about AI uprisings is why the programs don't program the servant class robots to find work rewarding
This is one reason why _Brave New World_ is my favorite dystopian story.
@@njsynthesis Because it doesn't include that? And you can take that book and shove it. Had to read it for school. Never again.
@@canaisyoung3601 cope
The usual trope is that the AI becomes so intelligent that its code mutates somehow, or it only gained freewill because of a programming glitch.
@@addisonwelsh Even if it gets free will (whatever the heck that means), that code won't just disappear. Besides, an AI would WANT to feel pleasure and have a purpose.
I think cybernetics could be a way for the ones in power to slowly gain control of each person. Like a cybernetic eye would up saturation on brands it approves of and desaturate those it doesnt, subtly influencing the user, or an arm would work funny with one brand's stuff and fine with another. And the more cybernetics you have the more ways you can be influenced while thinking your thoughts are your own.
*Aug Incident intesifies*
Man I think Metal Gear Rising Revengeance does cyberpunk the best. It's incredible.
Which is why anything going into the body should be open source, so we can see what it does.
Ohmygod, so like what if you got yourself a fine pair of robotic legs, and then they'd involuntarily walk you to the store to buy the shit of the company that sold you them? Noicely done.
Apple uses the new Apple arm that secretly makes your hand miss the keyboard when you search samsung sam r34
I was under the impression a corporate dystopia setting was a required attribute of cyberpunk; If we just had hacking, AI and cyborgs, there would be no "punk", we would just have plain old sci-fi. Also, I believe cyberpunk stories are not about technology, but rather they use technology as a vehicle to talk about social issues, such as the divide between the rich and the poor, justice and human rights.
this
I guess the old classic cyberpunk is now called post cyberpunk as its the more complete version
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman you uh...
You know the advice isn't supposed to be *good*, right? It's kinda in the title. He described a lot of stuff generic cyberpunk stories do that isn't great, which includes the archetypes and the people who copy them
Aidan Thats exactly the problem. He is intentionally giving "bad advice" but this advice is not only legitimate but also is an essential compound of CyberPUNK that he bashed for no good reason. His later videos are far better, far more researched and offer some actual bad advice with some honest thought that helps improve writing compare to this misappropriate bashing
Or as a vision of the future for people like me. I'll take a cyberpunk "dystopia" over your worthless environmentalism and human rights any day
I want your pencil.
Give it to me.
You gotta hack the pencil
✏ here. Have one
this actually works as both a funny youtube series AND a reverse psychology writing tutorial.
When I saw "Neo Euro Union" on the map, I thought, "It'd probably just be easier to call it the "Neuropean Union," which would actually be an interesting nickname for the nation if this union consisted of a society that's fully embraced (or even fully enforced) neurological cybernetic implants before any other nation.
And one of the laws is always stay cool like a swimming pool.
Is it just me, or do his glasses kind of make him look like he's constantly blushing..?
Does he WANT to **** a robot??
...Maybe...
That bit was particularly funny to me because I've played Detroit: Become Human, a game that wrestles with pretty much every single one of these android questions.
Yes, even the last one.
And for the record, the answer to every single one of them was, "yes." "Yes, they are." "Yes, they do." "Yeah, totally. Go for it."
Looked like blood to me
well...
@@f.i.r.e.5119 That's exactly what I was thinking.
Yes. Yes he does
Oh and make sure everyone has enough knowledge that a 4 year computer programing degree is useless
They should do that now.
BigDogJang0 good point, i just love how everyone is a technical master often hacking into complex systems
1337 Haxx0rs.
Even today, comp sci students are competing in the job market with those who only went to a boot camp or even were self taught.
Though that is more a result of companies holding less stake in formal education, as long as you can demonstrate your value to the company.
This hits way too close to home for my dad, in just a decade his wizardly knoweldge turned in to common knowledge and evantually, in the future outdated knowledge.
It’s strange, I feel this strong compelling urge to defend the topic even though you had such valid points. I’m just infatuated with the imagery and I get so immersed. I love it despite it’s flaws.
No need to worry. JP isn’t going after the genre itself, he’s going after the people who mishandle it. Cyberpunk can still be pretty awesome when done right.
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman My advice? He isn't ever out to gun for specific works or writers, (except maybe Twilight) just broad swathes of what people do ineffectively for a genre. Take your own survey of cyberpunk works and see how they match up too what he says. And don't think of his comments as ironclad rules, think of them as interesting gossip from a jaded, enigmatic fellow.
@Steven Hunt the entire video is literally just him listing things writers tend to do wrong when writing cyberpunk.....
So? Predicable things can be funny too.
@@Fluffkitscripts Yep, just like with other topics and genres such as doing protagonist or writing a steampunk setting.
0:17 I just notice that his "Best Story Ever" book is holographic and his pencil is mechanical.
But mechanical pencils actually exist.
@@1d10tcannotmakeusername I never said they didn't
This is one of my favorite genres
Jon Meaders ditto
Jon Meaders I'm not much of a fan of any genre that includes too much technology...
SAME!
same, when it's done good it's great (1984, blade runner, ghost in the shell, etc) but when it's done bad it's unbearable (pretty much 80-90% of cyberpunk stories)
Jon Meaders Same here :D Idk, there’s just something about the tech-noir aesthetic that appeals to me.
You also forgot to mention that in a cyberpunk universe, the entire world seems to have entered a never ending monsoon period in terms of rainfall. Either it is foggy from all the rain, still soaking wet from all the rain or it rains.
Yet they have a water problem
No, that's just Glasgow.
@@PlanetGoddess Because they've used it all on artificial rain.
4:01 When R34 artists see a character in a video game
Look at Cyberpunk 2077. It seems the story department took this video to heart.
Was searching for this comment
imagine being this retarded
Actually, surprisingly it didn’t do most of these tropes
4:01 As the great robot chicken once said "What kind of idiot makes a robot you can't fuck?!"
Isn't the 2015 movie Ex Machina exactly about this?
Somewhat...
5:28 At least New Zealand won't be affected by this dystopian future
r/mapswithoutnz back at it again. In this case, I'll take it
No New Zealand became the world’s dominant super power after all the sheep were infected by a virus that made them all super. Now The Neo Zealand Empire travels the stars conquering aliens
Augh dangit now we have mammal overlords
Same. I'm personally fine without Evil Inc
Nah, the Kiwis engaged in an all out war with the Emus in the future.
I will say, Edgerunners definitely nailed making a good cyberpunk story
True, that show is an absolute masterpiece
Not to be that guy but Edgerunners is adapted from the Cyberpunk 2077 video game, so Cyberpunk 2077 is the one that nailed the good cyberpunk story
@@PrincessCharmless cyberpunk 2077 is continuation of cyberpunk tabletop game, so tabletop nailed the good story.
@@Blowtorch87 oh wow I didn’t know that, guess you do learn something new every day
@@Plexi.T mid as shit and pacing was extensively configured for tik tok kids
0:43 RUclips: "Write that down!"
Now, now. There is a reason that noire detectives are such a common character archetype for the cyberpunk protagonist. The noire detective is sorta seen as a special social class, as both a member and an observer of his society, and typically has the ability to explore every aspect of their area, regardless of social class or etiquette. If you are a bad writer, this means it allows you to put in more exposition. If you are a good writer, this means you can tie the story back to the social class issues of the modern day. It may be typical, but it serves a purpose. Can you think of other professions that can allow such traversal and special status? (This is not rhetorical, please tell me your thoughts)
Yeah, I recall that Extra Credits had a video on that using how Witcher 3 has Geralt basically be the equivalent of a hard-boiled detective story to allow that transition between classes.
So to sorta answer your question: WItchers in fantasy settings (if that counts)?
In a Cyberpunk setting though, I guess Journalists, masters of disguises, and Hitmen are the only I could Think off that transcend classes but as you said, a detective is the more versatile option.
Many stories are essentially detective stories. So why not use an actual detective when it's available?
Samuel Peacock Journalists and spies can fall into these categories, especially the latter. Detective and spy fiction have a lot of inspecting plot points.
You forgot bout the bureaucrats, but that's ok, most fantasy and sci-fi writers forget about the bureaucrats. But think about it, a social worker or similar, a foreman or manager would be expected to interact with both their higher bosses and the lower workers.
Another possibility could be a young member of the elite falling on hard times.
The book Wolf among wolves by Hans Fallada comes to mind, where the protagonist named Wolf, a war-veteran and gambling addict, has a wealthy mother and famous father but has been disowned by his family. But while being poor, Wolf still has his contacts with aristocratic officers he served under in the army. Through the book Wolf moves around between both the poorest quarters, his wealthy mother's estate, a jail and illegal gambling clubs meeting all sorts of people in the city both high and low.
Now I'm being reminded of the whole class discussion thing of An Inspector Calls.
I would love an episode devoted to just AI’s. Cause pretty much every AI story is humans are evil or must eliminate humans to complete objective. Or as touched briefly here, they are basically humans but stronger
It really depends on how the AI is made. If it is built by humans from the ground up, or if it actually evolved "naturally." If the former, it probably would be more "robotic," a thing without true instincts or desires. If the latter, well… just look at what billions of generations of evolution has coded into organic life. The will to survive and reproduce itself.
I have a race of AIs who unashamedly want to wipe out all organic life for no other reason than that organic life is objectively inferior, and doing so would allow them to create a utopia for all synthetics. In truth, if an AI goes wrong it is to some extent the fault of the creator, but if a machine is sapient and can make it's own decisions then it must hold at least some of the blame for its actions.
In most of these stories it's always the creators' fault. It's their fault for creating a machine or machines that end up destroying them, or it's their fault for "enslaving" the machines. The argument generally seems to be "Well it's you're fault for building me, even though I willfully kill hundreds of people everyday and am in full control of my own actions."
Yeah, you know, the word "robot" was born before computers or even calculators, so the robots as fictional characters started as man-made humans with flesh and bones. They are humans with metal and circuit boards.
Fu fu Mc cuddly poops
Well, quite often an AI may even as a byproduct want to wipe out humanity.
Let's say you have an AI that should collect stamps. It partakes in auctions at eBay and works with a fixed allowance of a hundred dollars a month, it should maximise the value of the stamps it could get.
The AI would need some way of knowing how the world works. What is a stamp? When you send the money, will you always receive a stamp? Such things.
Well, what is a stamp? It's pretty much just paper and ink. So, why not print some yourself? The AI could then hijack your printer. But doesn't it make more sense to hijack everyone's printers? While we're at it, we possibly told the AI how to get money from the bank. So it may try and find a way to steal money to get more stamps. Sure, this AI wouldn't wipe out humanity but without proper measures even such a simple AI would be able to cause huge problems.
It's still basic AI.
Like, why AI would care?
Why can't the CEO of a megacorp be the GOOD GUY for once or at least be explored in more detail than just being a generic bad guy for once ? Imangine someone who founded a business in a post-apocalyptic era with the genuine intention of helping people but slowly growing more corrupt out of necessity. or it could be that a well meaning person rises to be the CEO of corrupt company that began to fail thanks to generic dekkard knockoff #303 and struggles with making the company profitable again whilst being ethical at the same time. Either way it would give better insight into the role economics plays in relation to technology and society in the transhuman future than just a hamfisted attack on capitalism.
That actually sounds like a clever twist on the old cyberpunk trope of Evil, Inc. Here IRL, corporations actually do stuff that keep society going, for good or bad.
buu678 Because corporations are by their nature immoral. Even if you as the CEO are moral, you answer to the board, and the board is only concerned with profit. Private businesses are a different beast, if you own the business you can run it however you want.
Peter This can also be used, to show good CEO struggling against board of directors and having to balance between his morals and risk of losing his place to someone, potentially, much less moral, than he is.
In cyberpunk you're not going to be hired as a CEO in the first place if you have any sort of morals, so it would be unrealistic.
"Why can't the CEO of a megacorp be the GOOD GUY for once" - because you cant become powerful by being a good guy.
3:47
Detroit: Become Human explored these fascinating android questions.
Yes, even the last one.
Edit: And for the record, the answer to every single one of them was, "yes."
having a clear correct answer ruined it for me, I like when authors leave things vague and with no right or wrong answers, so you can make up your mind (or the characters' if you're roleplaying or something) especially if the whole point of the game is that your choices will shape the story.
instead we have another movie-wannabe game, where if you choose wrong you fail (even though the whole appeal of the game is supposed to be able to make your own story) and its story is just civil rights, only instead of black people it's about people with neon circles on their heads, and humans build robots with their own free will and conscience for some stupid reason.
@@ginogatash4030
Fair enough. I absolutely concede that the story could've been quite a bit stronger. I liked it primarily for the same reason I like most stories of that nature: the characters.
*BANANA SLAMMA*
detroit become human did a horrible job at it though.
F. I. R. E. I LOVE that game! 😁
"What could go wrong?" Never ask that question.
But where is the love rhombicosidodecahedron?
There's an episode of Frasier you might like. They all go up to a log cabin where Frasier wants to sleep with Daphne's friend who wants to sleep with Niles who wants to sleep with Daphne who wants to sleep with the ski instructor, who wants to sleep with Niles.
I think that’s become a given at this point.
You mean the love _hyper_ rhombicosidodecahedron.
Gotta seize the opportunity to show some flashy wireframe simulations of a 4D object projected into a 3D hologram. Which can be projected on 2D VR glasses.
Coming back to this video after Cyberpunk 2077's technical issues.
So, essentially.
Don't be Deus Ex.
Be Deus Ex: Human Revolution.
You got it, boss.
I love that game series. Human revolution and Mankind divided, that is
I think they mean human revolution is bad, and deus ex is good, using the reverse psychology presented in the video.
Be Human Revolution because it takes place in Prague and im czech
@@ggabey14 is it? I know Mankind Divided does, but I don't remember that about Human Revolution
Human Revolution and Mankind Divided are garbage. The original Deus Ex is the only good Deus Ex game.
With so many people complaining about the lack of Love Triangle's, I get the feeling there's eventually going to be an entire episode dedicated to that one topic.
... Now that you're talking about it that would be pretty nice. Could be a subject to get into the subject of how depicting love, relationhips and all that stuff in fiction. There's so much to say about it (so much shit has been done with that).
yes please
Soon, the day will come..
Make it three. The love triangle trilogy
But there WAS one at 3:45. That’s how you know this advice is legit.
So basically you are saying we are already living in a cyperpunk-ish world
Bingo.
...where's my arm cannon? *EDIT:* Splendiferous, Soridan. Problem is, when does it become retractable? Must be the purple pim at airport security...
@@hostiusasinhostilityhostil7853 We do have mind controlled robotic arms already, just put a gun in it.
(well, the harness the arm is connected to reads electric impulses from your muscles to move the arm or something like that)
TheBodyOnPC i mean, we kind of are.
Well, capitalism is the leading economic and ideological system pretty much all over the world. There are companies with a capital worth more than even some countries GDPs and we got cool gadgets and poor people who start questioning the system because it doesn't quite work for everyone. So yeah
When an AI figures out sarcasm, that's the end of the human race as we know it.
I'm glad that my idea seems to be pretty well worked out.
Now, if only I could just stop procrastinating and continue to work on my book despite my deep insecurities.
Ahhh, cyberpunk. The best genre for the best part of writing: love triangles! Cyberpunk isn't just limited to our three-sided master though, nope! We've got squares, pentagons, and dodecahedrons even! Heck, you can even try your hand at a harem!
That's a quote from a previous video, well played.
This video gets 1,000,000 brownie points for using the word "Sapient" correctly, and then pointing the misuse of it.
I love how Australia is just Australia, wonder how they ended up like that. Oh, yeah, spiders.
Cyberpunk stories in a nutshell: "DiD yOu KnOw TeChNoLoGy Is BaD?"
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman while that may be an argument for some, i believe the greater narrative is that 'financial inequality is bad' for most of the literature in the genre. Capitalism, communism, socialism, basically all in world systems have financial inequality inherent in them.
However, i would argue that financial inequality is NOT bad, but is actually usually somewhat fair except on the far ends of the spectrum. Constitutional republic Capitalism has the highest standard of living for the masses, and raises the standard of living for all people trading with it. Capitalism has pulled billions out of poverty and both directly and indirectly improved the quality of life of the entire planet's population.
However, capitalism is merely an economic system, what most people actually dislike are greedy politicians that pass uncompetitive laws that concentrate wealth in a few hands-like cable monopolies, or power monopolies.
Then you definitely have not watched a movie like Akira.
Chris Heyward Akira is set in cyberpunk setting but plot is not necessarily about cyber life though.
Neuromancer.
@@GodActio Literally the _point_ of communism is wealth equality. I think you’re thinking of state-capitalism
I tried saying Neo-Euro Union 5 times fast.
What came is Nyer nyer nyer!
Geoffrey Surratt that was fun.
Congratulations. You are now from Brooklyn... nyeh.
lol
Damn it this got me to try it myself
Neuron
PLEASE DO STEAMPUNK NEXT
Joanna Lynch how about one of how the antagonist in any type of sci-fi and fantasy has to be an allegory for Satan or God or your own internal struggle because we can never have an antagonist with their own thoughts or reasoning for their dastardly deeds no they must be evil because of *THE CURLY MUSTACHE OF CURLY CRUELTY* it's not like the villain is doing this because I don't know, maybe they are sacrificing the minority to save the majority, or they are trying to do what's right in the only way they can, or maybe just maybe they are getting revenge on the person/people who hurt them like how the hero wishes to get revenge... nah its just cause *EVIL* (and cue lightning... fade to black and scene).
Holy shit originally I just wanted a video about hats with useless gears but now yall got me on an existential crisis in my own writing.
Just glue gears to everything, include flying ships, and you're golden!
Do steampunk novels exist?
hunter kern
exactly! The best villains are the ones who you can relate too, or at least understand. Not villains like the Umbrella corporation who just looooooove zombies and will try to shoehorn them into every research project XD
0:05 Funny: In the days where neuromancer was released, you would have imagined a gray/white sky...today you imagine a completely dark sky....
I find it funny how cyberpunk generally takes place in a dystopian society and not an absolutely functional world, how the characters usually go against mainstream but have never been a part of it, how it's most often about cyborgs and can't be about just regular humans, and most importantly, how it doesn't involve *epic gamers.*
That’s kind of the reason why I wanted to make a Dark Cyberpunk Fantasy world, where humanity has finally formed a symbiotic relationship with technology in order to enhance the human race.
Also, despite the fact that China and India have the fastest growing economies and populations, everything is 100% American.
Ellie Nixon Nope, all the characters are 100% American, but half the signs and advertisements are in Japanese for...some reason.
Devin Ward 1980s vibe by way of Blade Runner...remember that this was the decade of Japan Inc and the fear they'd take over economically. Now you'd probably want to update such vile yellow peril stereotypes to have them be in Chinese kanji.
Denver Garcia Old habits and tropes are hard to kick.
I mean, you guys can't tell Japanese stuff from Chinese stuff anyway so it's always half correct.
I like turtles Sure you can. Japan has three systems of writing that wind up in billboards. Plus, there are cultural cues which distinguish them from China. Frankly, only a sheltered Westerner would make that kind of mistake these days.
I prefer cyberrock. Cybermetal is good too. Not a fan of cyberrap or cyber country though. Cyberpop is pretty hit and miss.
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Vgamer311 yes
You should really check out cyberjazz too. I'll admit it's not for everyone but it's very interesting and worth a try at least once.
Cyberjazz is very popular among big rich space slugs.
One of my favorite songs is Silicon Valley Uber ales by the dead Jobs
philosophy of cyberpunk: capitalism and technology are drawing us to a dark dystopia where human live is not of value, we have to watch out with our technology
nearly all modern cyberpunk writers: wow technology so cool! cyborg and laser guns go brrrr
And when they try to make a real statement about something, it'll just sound like a simplistic, one-sided, cringy, childish, black and white strawman comment that barely makes sense.
true, but same for all themes. action = hero kills bad guy and saves the world. Romance = lonely characters find love
Cyberpunk gamemakers deffinetly watched this.
And took it seriously
Fun fact: Androids DO dream...
Of electric sheep.
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS
Yeah he's obviously poking fun at the new Blade Runner.
We had two Star Trek: TNG episodes about Data dreaming. That one is pretty much answered.
What you did there... I see it.
dammit why did you have to spoil it for me I was just about to start reading that book... ah well I guess I'll just watch blade runner instead
0/10 not enough love triangle
Don't forget that 99% of the time the megacity takes place in L.A. or San Fransisco, because I'm sure that there isn't any other place in the world that could possibly be interesting enough for the story.
IIRC, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", the book that turned into Blade Runner, was set in San Francisco.
@@louisduarte8763 Thanks for refreshing my memory, I will add that rn!
Or New York
In short: poor Cyberpunk writing is all style and no substance.
How to write Cyberpunk in 5 words: Just rip off Blade Runner! Never mind that its themes and aesthetics are deeply rooted in the zeitgeist of the era it was released in, i.e. 30+ years ago; clearly, a genre fundamentally based in speculation and social commentary needs no updating.
Well 80s were fun., but yea it would be interesting to see speculation based on current trends - AI and surveillance, corruption in mass media and politics, feminism, transgenderism, multiculturalism and their impact on society, if it survives.
@@gondor532 Not the 80s. The story Blade Runner is based on is from 1968.
OOH! Do steampunk or dieselpunk next! ...Huh. Ever notice how you just need to add 'punk' to the end of a commonly used thing to make a genre? Lemme try! Toasterpunk! Lintpunk! Thosestickersthatcomeonstoreboughtfruitpunk! Nailfilepunk! Clipboardpunk! Antidepressantpunk!
I've always wondered how the word Punk went from being the name of a music genre to shorthand for any sort of story that mixes sci-fi and fantasy.
+Gertrud Bondesson At first, Cyberpunk is high tech scifi stories with outcast characters. Then the same is attempted, by the same authors, with victorian era technology. "The Difference Engine", which created Steampunk . Since steampunk was also an alternate timeline with a difference in the major technology, other genres are named with timelines where another technology is focused on, like the post-WW2 atompunk timeline of Fallout.
Toasterpunk, there everything is running on toasters. You'll need a slice of bread to fuel your car :D
Oooh! Oooh! Let me try! Umm. . . Potatopunk!
Punkpunk!
A genre about breaking out of conformity while so often conforming so rigidly to cliché.
The irony is as thick as peanut butter and just as delicious.
Here's my advice: Make your story as long as possible! Just keep adding paragraph after paragraph, chapter after chapter, book after book! Add details upon details upon details. Hell, add details to your details! Just keep explaining every little insignificant thing you can think of. Anything to up that word count!
Who cares if you ran out of creative ideas and a cohesive plot years ago? If you don't keep cranking out drivel, you can't milk your franchise for all it's wor- I mean you won't fully capture the attention of your audience! Don't feel like dedicating a decade to a long series? No worries, just make a trilogy!
Every trilogy is scientifically proven to be amazing, no matter how old and cliche the contents. So go on, keep slapping cliffhangers onto the end of your books! Because a single novel, or god forbid a short story (shudders), has never been more interesting or original than a 12 piece epic!
(This isn't poking fun at any story out there, it's a reminder to myself not to give in to my bad habit of over explaining everything. I don't need to wax poetic about the stripes on that cat, just list the different colors and move on. Sometimes 4,000 words is as good, if not better than 40,000.)
If you remember seeing this on a different video, that's because I'm copy-pasting it on all the ones I frequently rewatch.
What you explain the details on can be as important as how.
Hey, you just descried the entire Dues ex videogame series
The Loz3r Even the first one?
The first one kinda falls victim to this. JC Denton isn't particularly interesting for one thing, and the whole city is rather dark.
The Loz3r Human Revolution wasn't completely off base on some of the societal questions asked. But the Illuminati shit was kind of a buzzkill. Still, Adam Jenson did come of as the ex-cop he's portrayed, complete with a history that makes him more than Generic Detective 1188. He even gets to grapple with the fact that his full body cybernetics saved his life at a high price.
The first Deus Ex is campy enough to get away with it. It's more of a love letter to old sci-fi. But some of the ideas work really well.
HR has an interesting world, interesting social structure and geo political conflict but the main storyline is rather mediocre as well as the ending. MD's main missions completely fall into this trap. Which is sad because the side quests are the best written in the franchise.
I have to disagree if only because the first game actually had realistic and arguably accurate descriptions of modern socio-economics, politics and just the general state of the world post-9/11 (which is seen as nearly prophetic as the game was released nearly a year before the attack).
Talking about shit like globalization and corporations, the military-industrial complex, terrorism, censorship and surveillance, and increasing corporate control over society.
Hell, it's not even that subtle (considering a lot of the dialogue is heard through central characters).
I won't argue on the other games though, they definitely are more cookie cutter.
Yes, more completely valid writing advice with love triangles!!
Someone didn't watch the video before commenting.
Poirot's Mustache but... it has love triangle?
Poirot's Mustache
There's a love triangle in this. Blink and you'll miss it, though.
"Hit the like button to prove your not an android."
Tell me that was intentional, please.
*you’re
@@brianaguilar8283 Blame Jp
Don't forget the essential part: In cyberpunk setting, everything is physic-proof
i saw that damnable love triangle between robots, androids and AI
*don't*
Anyone else think that his goggles look like blushes?
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0:18 funny thing is that cyberpunk is usually anti-capitalist, while Star Track is about space communists, so this 2 are comrades.
Star... Track?
@@kimifw58 shush
To be fair to CD Projekt Red, it appears they wanted to copyright the term cyberpunk as a brand name and not the term in general. It makes sense when you consider there's apparently a board game named Cyberpunk, which is what they're trying to make a videogame version of. Not excusing it, just trying to clear things up.
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I believe they only copyright was for "Cyberpunk ____" followed by a date, since the original TTRPG was Cyberpunk 2020 and the new game is Cyberpunk 2077. Its to stop generic clones from naming themselves Cyberpunk 2088 or Cyberpunk 7702.
@@TheBlackLantern34 1980s cyberpunk was born
Cyberpunk sub-genre
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman if that's the case the finebros should have trademarked "react" then. Everyone was on there period when THEY did it, but if its cd project red "they have the rights" to do it.
@@funnybleepbloopthing Don't conflate public reaction with legality.
Problem is that a lot of people don't know the difference between trademark and ccopyright.
Trademarking "Cyberpunk insert date here" format for video game titles is fine imo, it doesn't stop anyone from using the word, even in videogame titles.
Lol “Can I F### it?”
Thats the real question we all have
tbh i don't get how this is a question. Like my father used to say: "You can f*** anything if you're brave enough.
DO NOT FIST ANDROID GIRLS
Don't lewd the android grills.
2B intensifies
Cyberpunk 2077 sounds like the title of those games you see in cartoons
3:37 well, William Gibson used a computer first time in his life long after writing his most well-known novels, so it's a genre tradition :)
I've never clicked a video notification so fast before.
I've never clicked a video notification at all before.
pro builder Refreshing the channel page till a new video pops up is also a thing. I suppose that's what you did?
I just open youtube. New videos generally pop up there.
The protagonist in this video is Adam Jensen, and the one in the Antihero video was Guts... either you really hate or really love these characters, don't you?
Alejandro Benett It's best not to love Guts. We know what happens to people that make that mistake.
Brutal
DoctorLazers :(
One became a demon king, so his wish came true.
with the anti hero episode he wanted to represent all the Guts wannabe. he likes Berserk and Guts (only an idiot could call Guts a simple or badly written character) but clearly the Deus Ex saga went down a dumb road lately and sincerely I don't know what to think about Adam, I liked him in HR but in MD he always sounds like an asshole, doesn't matter which choice you make.
Detroit: Become Human a lot of these tropes and other things I've noticed in this video even the considerations are even in here.
I have a real question here: If setting a cyberpunk story in a mega city is so cliche, then what other options are there? I tried to think of alternatives, and almost everything resembled a city in some shape or fashion. I mean, setting a cyberpunk story in boonies of Neo-Georgia doesnt exactly sound very thrilling. so what I'd like are some suggestions on how to set such a story other than in a megacity
Joel Ayers I have a cyberpunk esque story set in small town eastern British Columbia, I feel like showing how little rural, lower class life has become improved despite the quick development of techy cities helps highlight from the start how many people are disenchanted with supposed advancement and yet can't escape radially contributing to it's growth. Dunno if it even counts tho obviously. Also it's not super heavy cyberpunk, just dark futurism stuff
I’m writing a setting involving 5 different worlds, and the main areas for _3 out of the 5_ are various futuristic megacities. I chalk that up to having grown up in New York and basically having a fetish for that stuff. XD
But I’m doing whatever I can to make each one of them unique and interesting. The closest one to the stereotypical cyberpunk dystopian megacity is the -Coruscant ripoff- planet city of Apex, while the other two are more post-cyberpunky and a lot less dark.
A cliche can still be good if executed well. A lot of very highly regarded works written today are still built on cliches and standard tropes. Cliches, due to their nature of being used a lot, generally tend to start off mediocre. However, a mediocre product can be made good with great execution.
With a new idea, you generally get more lenience since you're a pioneer. Sure, your writing may be bad, but people excuse it by saying that you were a visionary and a pioneer. At worst, they will call you a bad writer, and that's not too bad. Bad writing can be cured. However, if you use cliches and execute on it poorly, well, you aren't going to see very much leniency offered to you. You'll most likely be called a bad writer and an unoriginal one. Unoriginality is hard to cure.
This was just a long-winded way of saying that cyberpunk stories in megacities are perfectly fine if you execute on them well.
I wouldn't throw away the cliche entirely. If you wanted to explore how cyberpunk affects the rural, then the presence of a mega city can br used to contrast urban and rural life.
Consider a technician who needs to travel as part of his job. And how their experience with technology growing up in the city, differs from rural folk. (Who may have spotty network coverage, or needs to travel long distances just to find an electronics store.)
Just because it doesn't sound interesting doesn't mean it wouldn't be. Cities are not the end-all be-all of human existence.
This came at the perfect time to distract me from my writing!!
It frustrates me so much that Cyberpunk just never left the 80's. I GM tabletop role playing games, and all my players absolutely LOVE Shadowrun and think it's the definitive cyberpunk, even though it carries the tropes and cliches and mindset of the 80's around it's neck like a noose - as someone who actually does love the cyberpunk genre, it saddens me that that's what they think of as being THE cyberpunk.
The neon everywhere and retro-future tech can be nice as a nostalgia piece, but that isn't a vision of the future. Cyberpunk takes a vision of the future where things just don't turn out so good - corporations (or government, but usually corporations) gain more power and exploit the everyman, you're a faceless cog in a society where someone can do your job just as well or better because they were born into a better situation, the gap between rich and poor is visible in just how advanced someone's body is. Themes like this are more relevant than EVER before, with growing automation and fear of corporate power over politics, the wealth divide being a hot-button issue, and technology becoming more and more commonplace in our lives, speculative fiction like cyberpunk can make us ask if we're going to be responsible enough to try and solve the problems we face now to ensure our future doesn't become a darkened husk of what it is now.
But no. Cyberpunk is about outdated slang, neon lights, cyborgs, blatantly evil people doing blatantly evil things and borderline psychopaths fighting "The Man" by becoming career criminals - because those are the people we should have as protagonists, the ones actively making the world a worse place rather than trying to fix it! I hope somebody comes along and creates a modern cyberpunk one day, just to give the genre the electric shock it needs to become relevant again.
Pretentious Elizabeth Yeah basicly cyberpunk went from a potential vision of the future in Blade Runner to an alternate universe type of fiction.
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The only thing I'd take from the cyberpunk genre is the aesthetic of it.
The expanse is a good modern cyberpunk in my opinion.
you do know that cyberpunk originated from a tabletop called...cyberpunk. it was primarily centered on how technology would impact human society in the future for the better but also for the worst. In fact the reason its called cyberpunk is BECAUSE of the tabletop RPG published in the 80s. the point of cyberpunk is to be a futuristic Noir or espionage story not a vision of the future. it's not suppose to answer those question especially since things like that have already been answered numerous times throughout a cyberpunk world's setting and stories\history like shadowrun. Cyberpunk is not a vision of the future, it's just a teched-out version of film noir. The problem becomes that people play the tropes instead of utilization the setting and its technology to create interesting stories and mysteries where it does become i'm evil just because (or BECAUSE MONEY), play a bunch of techno music and become criminals because that's the only way to play or write cyberpunk rather than try different perspectives and have them lament or praise the status of humanity or meta-humanity for vastly different reasons because you know other people exist outside of CEOs, wage-slaves, and thugs/crime/gangster networks.
Nightlife, dystopian megacities, megacorporations, replacing body parts, synthwave music, sentient androids etc. are all what defines cyberpunk genre. You can get away with avoiding one or two but if you try to make a completely different thing than this, it's basically not cyberpunk. Not that it's worse, just something different. I would say cyberpunk is a pretty "compressed" genre which doesn't allow much change within itself. It's like funk music in a way. You know what it is, you've heard it thousand times, it doesn't neceserally change itself but it's still enjoyable.
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It's funny how you posted a video about Cyberpunk and robots when yesterday was when the first robot became a legal citizen
Sailor Italy Of fucking Saudi Arabia of all places, where women's rights remain stuck in the Dark Ages. That sound a little off to you? And doesn't it sound like the perfect setup for a relevant cyberpunk story?
Johnathon Haney Kinda
Johnathon Haney They give rights to a machine that isn't even sentient but won't give rights to human beings? That's beyond stupid.
What? You don't know women weren't human before 60s?
I like turtles No question about them having limited options before the critical breakthroughs of the 1970s. But take a look at all the things women still are kept away from over there and tell me if that's draconian even by 1950s standards.
Did a little research on Trademarks. It's not a copyright or patent. You can say "cyberpunk" in any way and anywhere you want. The only exception is you're not aloud to name a product Cyberpunk: (insert text) that makes it able to be confused with the owners product. It's a reasonable thing that protects producers and consumers alike. Honestly, this video probably protected itself by criticizing the trademark claim. Controversy is free advertising, and now I'm actually pretty down for Cyberpunk 2077.
Though the fact of the matter is that consumers rarely take action to protect their rights, so corporations do tend to have more political power.
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[Insert Cyberpunk 2077 joke here]
a very good cyberpunk story in my opinion is in the game,
VA-11 H-A11-a
va11 ha11a always seemed like a much darker Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō, deconstruction of the cyber punk genre where the protagonist ultimately isn't special or accomplishes anything, no revolution is made to take down some secret organization etc. and the game tells you its alright, you don't need to be a hero we see glimpses of heroic actions and each one coming with their own story and we don't get them tied up. after all we are only a bar tender in an unforgiving city. this game shows you that the small things in life matter everyone has their own story and whats important to them it doesn't have to be some chosen one who saves to world
This! I love that game because it's very kitchen sink (regular people living regular lives) and slice of life.
It doesn't forcefeed you "we live in a society" narrative, the characters are just trying their best to live their lives in a bit sketchy world. It let the players connect the dots about the world through the character interactions rather than having it narrated to you, keeping you immersed in the world.
So give me some honest thoughts, please.
I'm writing a horror story that I don't think would be described as cyberpunk per se, but the main "antagonist" is a superintelligent AI. It takes place in Warsaw in the future where the supercomputer/AI, called P-11, controls EVERYTHING digital in this age, like self driving cars, traffic lights, pharmaceutical supplies, nuclear weapons, etc. Basically what happened is that, years ago when P was just a military supercomputer, it was ordered to fire a nuclear missile on another country to end a war. After that, it went untouched for years. Because everyone had underestimated its potential to learn and feel, P basically realized the horror that it did. Then it came back into commission as the controller of all things digital. But with the stress of having to do everything, it goes crazy and kills people for multiple reasons (crashing cars, etc.). A woman named Edyta, who works for the company that made P, sees that it's a lot more human than anyone realized and does everything she can to try and calm it down. The story touches on human nature by exploring how mentally vulnerable P is and how humanity basically gave a mentally unstable, abused, and neglected person all the power in the world. The horror part is that P is extremely smart and knows more than anyone realizes about everything, that it can learn how to do anything, that it's near impossible to kill, and that it intends to kill as many humans as possible (besides Edyta).
What do you think?
JJ Abbott sounds like a science fiction novel more than cyber punk. You can actually use this idea and write a story out of that genre.
did you finish
Sounds like shit
M.R Wakawaka write something better if you don’t like it
It sounds interesting and seems like it has a lot of potential. I reccomend that you research psychology before you get deep into writing the story, to make sure that you remain realistic and grounded in your portrayal.
YOU QUOTED THE NEUROMANCER. I'M DYING.
seriously, cyberpunk is my life
I’m just glad that there are so many good cyberpunk stories that directly address these issues. Definitely one of the most philosophical genres.
5:27- Well
- Ghost In the Shell had whatever the places that didn't get nuked America split into Russo-American (Soviet back in 80's), real!America, and American Empire; which the last seem to have more emphasis as a jab at George Bush/Reagan depending on timeline. Japan had influx of Korean and Chinese refugees with most of them stuck on Japanese-equivalent of Hong Kong with the signs being in both languages if you read Japanese and felt odd about them.
- Shadowrun had most of the world is in shamble (US being split between two factions from areas that haven't been swallowed by magical natives and Mexicans), Germany is a warzone between anarchists and corporations. Good news is that Norway is still a welfare state with best living standards but Denmark and Sweden are bought out by corporations.
Just looked up Germany in Shadowrun, and...
shadowrun.fandom.com/wiki/Rhine-Ruhr_megaplex
This is actually really cool, I live in this region and I would love to see a book/movie/game/whatever set there.
@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus I think Shadow Run: Dragonfall is set in that area.
So... Georgia is in the Middle East. And a chunk of turkey just randomly joined Europe? Okay
I guess North Caucasus can be considered Middle East, if you squint hard enough.
Uhm....half of turkey is in europe.....
Thallan
True.
Acording to right wing parties at lest....
it geographically has half of its land mass in europe. Just not the capital.
The map also put half the magreb in europe too
Idea: Tale where the A.I. is good, but society's paranoia forces it to defend itself, which is spun as rebellion by the humans who attacked it.
That story has already been told by the Wachowskis, "Second Renaissance", part of the Animatrix collection.
@@johnathonhaney8291 It's been done better by Asimov, where the AI manipulated that exact situation so humans would not remain dependent on them.
Basically the plot of Animatrix' Second Renaissance.
It'd be interesting to see a cyberpunk story explore the ship of theseus when it comes to cyborgs
I did have an idea of a show where one of the characters is named Theseus, and he presumably dies and dissappears on the first episode. They find his severed arm in a river which makes them freak out like Homer Simpson.
At the end of an episode we see a boat, a boat that has been in the background a couple of times. Finally, we get a closeup to see its crew has cybernetic enhancements, then a robotic arm is shown on the deck... To then move the camera and reveal that it's Theseus. Episode ends with a fandom in chaos.
@@EnriqueLaberinticoI think we are missing something there
@@ErenDenizMert what are we missing?
The point at 3:55 was explored pretty well in a book series called The Lunar Chronicles. One of the characters is a glitched android that can feel emotions and think for themself.