Ermes, such a nice guy. It isn't easy dealing with such nonsense in a second language, and also with such a combative person (Devon) who is meant to be a friend, meant to be reasonable, and meant to be aware of his significant global influence. Unfortunately, Devon isn't a capable or diplomatic leader.
I was literally watching him answer same question 10 times without answering it and was thinking "bro, answer the fucking question already". Even I could answer where devon fouls.
Ermes was unable to express it in a proper way. But here is what he meant. Everyone makes fouls. Be it foul starts, moving shoulder, rising, etc. Referees are professionals and they make sure that the rules are adhered to. When they point out the fouls, athletes should respect the referees' calls, follow the rules and play. However, when referees point out fouls on Devon, he starts to complain a lot and screams with too much of entitlement. Even other athletes do complain sometimes, but they do not cross the line. They are respectful of the professional referees. When it comes to Devon, he tends to cross the line every single time. His body language becomes intimidating as well. In the process, his loud speaker wife would join him as well and starts screaming at the referees. It frustrates the referees and opponents a lot and some referees allegedly get intimidated. That's how the match goes on for a longer span. If you look at Devon's supermatches, more than half of the span is wasted on unnecessary tantrums, complaints, dramas, which affects the very decorum and ethics of the sport. Even Engin agrees with it. It drains the physical and mental energy of the opponents and referees. Eventually, they get frustrated and lose focus. That's the dirty tactics Devon plays. I think as an organiser, Engin needs to give full power and authority to the referees to handle any misconduct, disrespect and undoings by the athletes. Because nobody is bigger than the rules and sport.
Your last paragraph is the most important. And I would add that Engin has handled this issue very unprofessionally & unfairly. Bringing all this up and targeting Devon just 2 weeks before a title match is ridiculous... These discussions with athletes should have been done, in the presence of referees, at the end of one of the previous EvW events so that Devon & all the other athletes could make the necessary adjustments & practise under those conditions properly in their prep for the next event. The timing of all this shows Engin in a very poor light.
@@H____R Personally I'm a hard believer in rules and conditions that provide a lot of freedom but after that the floor is lava. For example make pads big and squishy so athletes actually have space to arm wrestle (squishy pads allow even some limited vertical movement). But after that you can go all out in strictness all the way through to PAL levels. Slight bumps on those pads now can be called out without hesitation cause we know that a small bump on a squishy pad is actually not so small. Same goes with fouls. Introduce 3-foul system (instead of 2) and running fouls but then abolish warnings and don't hesitate to foul people. Et cetera. The weird and beautiful amalgamation of strictness and lenience in a single package. People can actually arm wrestle but it's also fair.
It took like 2 years to finally start calling him on his cheating. The sad thing is he probably doesnt even need to do that to win He excuses himself on bad refereeing but how about the times he goes early, pushes his oponent arm towards him, climbs, tightens the strap while distracting the referee, that is just absolute cheating. He says their matches take so long because if he feels he is getting cheat he wont start, but if his opponent feels he is getting cheat he forces the start A lot of stuff that will never make him great
Devon is a cunt of a person. That refereeing against PRUDNICK WAS A JOKE. ENGIN N DEVON BOTH RUIN THIS SPORT. ENGIN RIGGED THE ERMES DEVON MATCH AND DEVON WILL HAVE A TANTRUM IF HE HAS TO PULL FAIR. SIMPLE. DEVON N ENGIN HAVE BEEN IN BED TOO LONG.
Anyone you have seen elbow foul to get a restart is the biggest cheater in the world. If you haven't noticed this... it's because your confirmation bias has you on tilt.
Devon's childish relationship with referees is the only example I can think of in professional sport where a competitor can curse at and abuse a referee/umpire without any repercussions. Such behaviour in football, American football, basketball, ice hockey, tennis, cricket, baseball etc... immediately results in warnings, followed by being sent off/disqualified. (Not to mention the utter rubbish he spouts towards the arm wrestling opponent, constantly trying to distract them mentally from an objective measurement of skill. This does not happen in professional sport without punishment. The refs should punish this too, but are too afraid.) Armwrestling must catch up. If Devon wants armwrestling to be a big, international, professional sport, welcome--this is what it looks like.
Alot of people, myself and my friends included started watching the sport as a gimmick, entertained by the outlandish antics of Matt Mask and Devon. I think the sport is too small to put those stringent rules and survive. However recent behaviour by Devon turns people away from the sport I feel so maybe there is a middle ground of rules that could work
@@adam_nykalimy mates i tried so hard to get them to follow this sport, but Devon put them off. How Dare Devon say that HE DOESNT CHEAT. DEVONS CAREER IS A JOKE. JOHN NEVER CHEATED N LOST CENTRE. DEVON HAD TO CHEAT HIS WHOLE CAREER.
The rules at EvW were set by Engin, not by Devon. Engin chose to have loose rules (not strict Waf rules) because he didn't want boring matches that very few would watch. If you're not gonna place accountability on the promoter & his referees, you won't get a solution.
@@michaelseacer no he’s trying to tell engin the way they should be in some of the conversations the last few streams. He’s actually acting surprised people can’t stand the way he cheats and bullies the refs
Anybody with half a brain and two working eyes knows Devon cheats from the get go. At first it was cool to watch , but over time when you see other athletes be fair, respect the refs rules, and don't try to cheat in the setup. It becomes more and more HARD to watch. It's refreshing to see two athletes just arm wrestle to determine who the stronger guy is on the table and not try to verbally attack them and the refs while cheating in the setup.
The solution is someone needs to convince Devon that he is making an ass of himself and displaying poor sportsmanship which can ultimately be damaging to the sport by scaring new viewers away. I used to love Devon, but he changed over the last 5 years. Or at least his persona in matches has changed. There is a difference between being aggressive and confrontational, which is good match hype, and being outright disrespectful by demeaning and insulting your opponent. Engin needs to have a sit down with Devon and lay down the law. No more degrading opponents. These europeans simply won't put up with it either. You saw how Levan and Denis reacted to Devons crap talking. They were legit pissed. Foul him out of the match if he is going to act like that, but better not put it on TV because he will throw a tantrum like you have never seen. Honestly, its better to remove Devon from any matches until he comes back down to earth. He can't be controlled.
Man everyone is pissed with him, but when they talk in front of him they act like chickens. Maybe they are afraid because of his fame. Devon lately publicly implies bad things about engin, and he for sure has seen it, but nothing happens.
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience. You can bring a horse to a river but you can't make it drink.
Devon is not the only one who moves on the grip,shoulders,wrist etc. But Devon is public figure that everyone is picking on him. Discussion should be whole arm wrestling community,other arm wrestlers.
Its part of the game nothing personal, boxers do the same but often become all good after their fights, if you watch mma and boxing youd know devons trashtalk is so, so, so, light.
@@benolson272 John and Travis are not Devon’s countrymen. Devon has consistently built both athletes up whenever he is not competing against either of them. You’re trying to diagnose a celebrity with a personality disorder based on a disagreement over what is cheating in armwrestling. I’m starting to see why Devon thinks his haters have low IQs.
@@provingastrology4471 man, in the vid he referred to countrymen and people from the west. And the low IQ ppl are his fans that don’t know shit. And I’m deriving his behaviour from personal experience not a dumb cheating vid. He slams his country men (the west) all the time and is now crying wolf when they call him out.
So the referees are that soft that they are intimidated when somebody bitches at them? Then it’s time to get new referees because even NBA referees aren’t that soft and they get bitched at every time they call a foul. One thing engin McMahon hasn’t explained is how Devon “cheats”. Is it he commits fouls that aren’t called? If that’s cheating then why have referees if they are going to stand there and not call fouls
Good topic, highlights the need to flush out these rules. Devon hasn't done anything wrong regards to cheating, but regarding the starts, if viewed as unfair in that he (and others!) start early, the rules should be looked at and like you said, maybe fouls instead of warnings for false starts
This is the best comment I've seen. It's all about making strict rules before the go. It's weird how in conversations like this people forget how common guys will false start(i.e. Kamil Jablonski who false starts every other go). Devon is just the lightning rod for criticism because he's popular and actually argues against refs. I think calling Devon a disgrace and a cheater is just butthurt Euro prattle and doesn't paint the full picture. He clearly fights for every inch he thinks he has within the rules, which I think is fine. When he loses he always takes it on the chin.
Devon cheats where ever possible and bullies the referees to get the advantage, that is a fact. This is the only written down rule in arm wrestling. All of his opponents can confirm it.
Anytime I see Devon loading and moving backwards he wins (relatively) easily, anytime he is forced to not move a muscle except for bracing and loading and he has to stay as still as possible he has a harder time. For example look at all the times in matches when a ref is saying “ready” and look at Devon’s movement backwards and watch the result as opposed to when Devon has 1 or two fouls and he’s standing straight up and he doesn’t move backwards when they are saying “ready”. It’s just a pattern I’ve seen. It’s probably technically not cheating as per rules as how they are specified. However, I think if all the pullers knew they could load and remain squared and hands in the center but slight positioning of their bodies during the “ready” phase is acceptable and might negate some of Devon’s advantages he takes. When Devon’s small movement of his upper torso goes away from the table it creates a leverage that accentuates his rise in the palms capacity to negate hand power of his opponents before the word “go” is even said.
Agreed. But yeah it’s not cheating…it’s hard to call, he’s never not going to do it lol. I notice every time as well. But it’s not his fault either, any armwrestler is going to do what they can to get the advantage
Devon asked what's the difference between a false start and pre loading ..... But that is the point. Where will you draw a line for an acceptable preload? so you shouldn't. Brace yourself as hard as you can but do not make any physical movement. AND he also mentioned that he is right because refrees don't foul him out. Refrees (especially hristo) play very professional. They know how much to stretch. And if you are involved in an argument with them, that means you are already pushing the boundaries. That is why his matches are almost hour long and still no fouls.
That ref Christo did allow Devon to do some weird things in the Prudnick match but my man Pradeep in the genadi match Christo was letting Genadi get away with a lot of cheating
@@goldtaker95 they shouldn’t let anyone cheat im just responding to « christo is afraid of Devon » which I don’t believe he is . They should just apply stricter rules
Engin should just say in a refs grip any movement above the table. it's a warning for sure or even a foul. The refs should be instructed to do this regardless of who's pulling. The pullers will figure it out, and than we got a solid rule
Couple of rules Id install: 1. At the start, yozur shoulders must be not just squared to table, but BEHIND the table line 2. NO risers for short guys. Yes, you will be in a dissadvantage, but arent you in advantage for being short and stocky, i.e. being able to put a LOT more muscle naturally, and also on certain weight cap than taller guy? So, you want the advantages of being short (bulk, muscles, and even shorter forearm is advantake in certain styles) but you dont want the tall and leany guy to have his advantage for his body type?
Arm Wrestling cannot probably become a (financially) successful mainstream sport as it is now. The most important rules in armwrestling should be: (1) testing in conjunction with (2) weight caps. 1. Testing: all athletes should be tested against juices etc. Rino said that Levan is juiced in an amount "that could kill an elephant". Most (if not all) super heavy weights, and a lot others are probably in a similar situation. This is not good for them and not appealing for people like myself, who are 100% natural and want to stay like that. Perhaps a lot of potential viewers cannot empathize with juiced people. 2. Weight caps considering natural biological limitations of the human body (without juices), taking into account (i) height and (ii) body constitution (athletic, robust etc). The kidneys and livers of the athletes will say a big thank you to such rules. For instance, perhaps a robust Levan should be capped at 130kg at most, while a tall Devon at 110kg and a taller Vitaly at 115kg. MMT and Dave should be around 105kg and a robust but not so tall Denis should be at some 110kg. Let me know your thoughts.
Let the arm wrestlers choose the rules they want, if they wanna start loaded let them or unloaded. Let them decide what kind of fouls they want and make them agree to it.
... and this is why armwrestling will never become mainstream. I mean if you lot haven't even written the rules on paper yet then you simply don't have the mentality to become mainstream.
thats actually a very valid point. one of the best boxing referees of hw fights was a tall black guy (forgot his name), as tall as lennox lewis, he would break every shitty clinch tactics from the taller fighters weighing on their shorter opponents, and was able to do it quickly because he was as big as the tall boxers
Iam wondering, if this Organization is so big, why there is no committee who decides, if there is ANY problem. Athletes are Athletes and Devon is one of them. So why talk with the Athlete? This will always give the intention that someone is higher then the other. It has to be a Neutral decision from professional people in the background. No Drama, no talking. Just decide with intelligence, fair and square!
The only rational discussion I've seen is on this channel. Europeans and Americans simply avoid speaking the hard truth directly, preferring to smooth the edges instead.
As far as EvW goes, this is ALL Engins fault. As an organizer he should NEVER have had ANY rule discussions on podcasts or pre-event live streams. Bringing in active athletes into a live discussion over rules that are not yet set in stone was a really really stupid move.
You can't blame an athlete for trying to get an advantage to win, it's up to the refs to keep things fair. I'm not taking anything away from any athlete given what I just said, however, the refs have been sub-par, to say the least in these events.
Engin has handled this issue very unprofessionally & unfairly. Bringing all this up and targeting Devon just 2 weeks before a title match is ridiculous... These discussions with athletes should have been done, in the presence of referees, at the end of one of the previous EvW events so that Devon & all the other athletes could make the necessary adjustments & practise under those conditions properly in their prep for the next event. The timing of all this shows Engin in a very poor light.
Genadi was so on point while talking about Ermes how mentally weak he is... It was a poor sight when he could not call out Devon how exactly he cheated out the set up against him.
The problem is they are all under "contract" now... Now, they all have to consider losing big $$ or violating their contract terms if they speak out. We all know, Engin and Devon are running the show. EvW is just WAL rebrand.
@@datbunneh3671 yeah but its was scripted and staged... We all know cuz of the Juji/Mike matchup where he publicly released its script for all the matches(which is why they took him to court)
Well Hristo did call a imaginary foul on devon. Made some vad calls in the jerry vs Genadi match and a couple other imaginary fouls that always favor the east guys.
We dont know that for certain as the camera angle doesnt show it unfortunately. Thats a fact. But if it was a foul it has got to be a microfoul and a definately a very strict call. But there are also calls that favored the western athletes. But they were just mistakes just like the ones that favor the easterners. Not intenional. Its just you dont see those because it helps your guy
@@te-tg4ip yea 💯 imaginary elbow foul that did cost Devon that round. But I think on that day Genadi was ready and wouldn't have made much of a difference if they hadn't called the imaginary elbow foul. But Hristo also was calling fouls on Jerry and genadi had to start calling his own elbow fouls cause Hristo wouldn't call them, was hilarious 😂. Also the Paul Linn sasho match and a couple others that favored the east. Refs gonna make mistakes cause they just human, but when they favor one team more often than not, then it becomes a problem. But to Hristo defense, he hasn't screwed the west in awhile. Since western refs showed up it's evened it out a lot better
Dude devon got away with murder that day, he does every match. Simple. This SPORT IS LAWLESS N DEVON N TODD MADE A CAREER OUT OF CHEATING. EVERYTHING DEVON SAYS IS ALWAYS WRONG N BIASED N JESUS HE HAS HAD A CAREER OF CHEATING N SPECIAL TREATMENT
Yea. Travis was also before Devon and devon copied travis and not the other way. Seems like people forget this as well. Basically Devon hasn't even been original from the start lmao. He just copied Travis and made it worse.
@@topijarvinen5374 "people forget I'm the reason Devon stayed on a diet for 15 years" "Hammer? They only ever made 6 hammers and 5 of them are at my house 'cause I took a year off" "If it's Devon Larratt vs Al-Qaeda, I'm gonna have to go with the Al-Qaeda" 😂 Travis might take advantage in a set up and talk some trash, but at least he's a naturally funny guy. The best Larratt can come up with is "you're gay, you gonna cry?" smh
@@ChrisDesh Yea i'm not a Travis fan either but he is way more likeable and funny out of the two. He basically just makes one-liners and mom jokes and leaves it at that. Devon on the other hand is not funny and actually becomes a scumbag of a person who after the fact goes "haha i was just pretending to be rtarded" That's not how that works buddy. Devon is like a perfect mixture of that said meme and the saying of "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company" that sounds true about this community too sadly. Also the whole if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you kind of thing. Devon at this point is way beyond "pretending" and just having a "role" even if in his twisted mind thinks so the outcomes and results are from it. You just can't really in practice act like a complete sleezeball and then try to "return to normal" after the fact.
Devon also can't take himself what he dishes out. It's hilarious how he and his fans thinks of him like some master tier brainiac when he gets extremely butthurt every single time someone give it back to him. Chance shaw played him like a fool.
@@topijarvinen5374 all good points. (Disclaimer - I am a Travis fan. Got exposed to professional armwrestling from seeing Pulling John. The dude with a hairlip, receding hairline and lazy eye from nowhere West Virginia saying "I'm a triple threat - big, fast, and handsome" had me dying. Then he beats Voevoda! Fan for life.)
Engin hates Devon. Always has. Only acts like he likes him because he needs Devon. Devon has literally catapulted armwrestling into where it is. Has been for like 7 years ish. As soon as engin feels as if h doesn’t need Devon. He will turn on him hard.
Engin doesn't give af about solutions because Larratt is his cash cow. All this useless ramble and semantics from Terzi is complete posturing and pretending to care to manipulate the fan base into thinking that he "cares" about the problem. News flash, HE DOESN'T. He talks like a corrupt politician, who isn't interested in addressing the problems with Larratt and the referees PRACTICALLY. The fool Terzi doesn't even know his own rules 😂😂😂 "Sometimes maybe even the promoter should be blamed." - You worded this extremely lightly. Terzi is the biggest authority who makes the changes under the promotion, so what are you talking about? Devon pushes (exploits) the rule system because he can, because Terzi ALLOWS it and HASN'T ADDRESSED THE PROBLEMS with the referees and Larratt!!
Don't let this distract from Ryan Bowen posting sus oucture with indian female armwrestler. "I gonna miss you" and confirmation he is divorced in comments🤔 I wonder why you not touched that subject yet
I think the issue is that changing the rules is better for armwrestling but the drama that this creates may be good from a promotional standpoint. This is why Engin allows Devon to be this way and tolerates him, he brings in the money
Let me tell you something bro the only reason that east vs west is even a thing is because Devon is a part of it if he would leave e v w it as a promotion would dwindle down to nothing trust me so engin better watch what he says to and about Devon because it will just hurt his promotion in the long run !
First concerning Ermes, it is clear that it is difficult for him to talk correctly in English, i am sure he will explain his point of view a lot easier in italian. Second thing, thanks for this video it is good for armwrestling to clarify things for all of us. I would like you to give your opinion about what rules should be concerning start position and fouls.
Devon moves and he gets called. someone else moves when trying to deal with Devon’s riser oh it’s hard let’s not call him. The refs have to call the rules consistently! Devon doesn’t foul more than his opponents.
We all have a God-shaped void, that we try to fill with counterfeits that only Jesus Christ can fill.. he wants a relationship and fellowship with us. He loves us and wants to spend eternity in heaven with us. We need to be sorry to God for what the Bible says is sin. Only once we realize we're lost can we be saved by trusting and the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He shed his blood for us taking our sins upon him, and he gives us his righteousness when we put our trust in his finished work on the cross, asking him to forgive us and save our souls from hell.
Pradeep .. is there still some beef between you and Engin/Neil ? .. They really need to get you involved a lot more as their livestreams are increasingly populated by 'yes' men who are scared to upset the apple cart or have any opposing opinion .. especially when Devon is on !
With Engin being the Enigma of Rage and his childish behaviour at this old age, it would not be far fetched to assume Engin still hates Pradeep and also Ryan Bowen.
For me thats so crazy like how the hell are you intimidated by someone like cmon man..is he gonna eat him or what ? Just fight maan . Organization and refferis allow that stuff so why thay complain. Devon this devon that ... Same time ermes says im not complain but it was unfair.. dude what!? what does that mean !? This talk is getting very childish .
The funniest part about it is he’s playing the victim!! He actively tries to change the rules to suit his exact style and he acts like he’s in the right!! He’s arguing with the promoter about how his rules need to be!! It’s insane!!
Engin has changed he started by early on saying he was doing it for the love of the sport, NOW? Devon shot him down in the podcast with John, it is time for Engin to handover the mantle to someone who can take it to the next stage!
Like who? The only people I trust now in Arm Wrestling is the Georgians and the Russians. They are the only people that still have Integrity left in the sport.
@@JonHop1 I would not confuse moral principal with what Devon does or what Igor did or what Engin now does, there is a love for the sport but some have a greater love for money than others, then say they love the sport but put restrictions on athletes once they've made their name, so Engin is the new Igor, it all starts out so well, you have to have a collaboration with the sponsors, so what countries are neutral and get on? I would start with considering people like Neil Pickup, Devon for his understanding and manipulation of the rules, Denis for his ethical demeanor, Moral principals and one man and money don't mix well.. you end up getting hair transplants and going against your own principles, with an unmoving opinion that no one will ever be greater than your Idol, when Devon has the potential to be the greatest.... Now wait I am. Denis Fan!
@@JonHop1 my comment was deleted? Edited: after reading comments further down referring to a beef with Engin and Neil.... Sorry Pradeep if I missed that and my comment was in some way out of order!
@@JonHop1 thank you, I had an email about a Reply below, when I looked for it on YT that persons reply was also gone.... Not good, thank you for the update! .........now I'm not a fan of ungentlemanly conduct, but we must be Clear on what Devon does, he explains it very clearly on one of his videos, ITS A WAR and he's in it to win it, if people in the war are not up to the task including Engin, how is that Devon's fault, so why blame him, just like war if someone for whatever reason is affected is that the dominant sides problem? Is Devon being disrespectful? Why is he allowed to do it, who lets him off with it, is he their cash cow, Devon isn't doing anything wrong he is playing a game of how he sees it life and death, it's simple to him LIVE as the alternative is beyond contemplation, as if you succumb to the converse the fight is already lost, ask Ermes, he was beaten before he got to the table, remember war a fight is only as fair as the people involved, so keep your focus on the big picture and fix it not on a one to one basis but the root of the problem, Devon, John and co expressed a wish for more comprehensive rules, just like the rings of power one to rule them all, go figure....
Just write the rules already and follow them. Jesus. Make copies, give to everyone to have it like the bible. Thats the first step. Everyone will know them like prayers. Now no one knows anything.
Ermes complains about Devon beating him in cheating when Ermes himself loves cheating on the table. The issue 95% of pullers have with Devon is him being better at cheating than they are and they dont like being outplayed. Ermes for example loves starting with a bent wrist before the go, watch any of his matches and you see him pulling out any trick while calling the opponent cheater. About Hristo being scared of Devon, he surely wasnt in the Genadi match were he was riding Devon's ass and letting Genadi get away with almost everything.
Solution....don't invite or allow him to compete anymore until he falls in line...OR...get referees that stop his ridiculous behavior. Every grip is ref grip...don't move...1 warning, 1 foul, DQ and no $$$.
victimizing himself, going to extreme emotions and ending friendships because of irrelevant stuff, thats textbook borderline personality, something more common in girls, but he has it too
@@chipferguson5129 that wouldnt work cuz they need him more than he needs them. East vs West would go out of business without Devon's PPV sales before Devon gets broke enough to where he needs them. They also dont want to risk him going to another promotion cuz hes a big enough PPV draw that it could become legitimate competition to East vs West, it would be like letting Conor Mcgregor go to a diff company
Your contend is really great❤ but i guess they dont invited you for that interview cuz sometimes you are just not that humble😅❤maybe thats the wrong word but you seem bit serious and arrogant even so im pretty sure you are not arrogant and you are very nicw guy..but maybe i get your vibes wrong❤
Only insecure/jealous people, can consider Pradeep as a threat. Nobody likes open minded people nowadays, anywhrere in the world. They need followers. Cult like.
Well imagine if a NFL linebacker didnt fight within the rules to tackle the quarterback, imagine if a MMA fighter didnt fight for everything within the rules.. they probably wouldn't be in their sports long. Just because pullers have 0 setup skills shouldn't mean that devon is cheating lol
In most sports if you argue with the referee you can be disqualified straight up. Devon is not cheating but extremely annoying and unprofessional. Respect the rules and referees. Bend the rules but don't cross the limit.
@@limo-swine6537It's a different culture in North America. All the major sports (basketball, NFL, baseball) don't disqualify you for questioning or arguing with a referee's call. And all those sports have the largest viewership & revenues.
@@limo-swine6537 he doesn't cross or he would be fouled out but never gets fouled out. The whole point of any sport is fighting for everything within the rules to win. That's literally the definition of sports. Exactly what Devon does. Its on the refs if they don't foul it's not Devons fauit
@@tallpaulhutchensjr. It's in the refs, yes. But this doesn't make Devon's unprofessional behaviour acceptable. Wasting time, verbally arguing with refs and not listening to the refs is unacceptable. If anyone else other than Devon does this then they would be fouled out and humiliated. But Devon enjoys immunity because of his image. That is differential treatment and called cheating If Devon behaves properly it won't reduce his value. Why does he have to cry so much for every match? Does any other athlete do it? Does it mean the other athletes don't want to win as much as Devon? No. It means Devon's behaviour is inappropriate and unacceptable. Don't support such behaviour saying "it is legal and needed to win."
@@limo-swine6537 the only ones that don't like Devons behavior are probably the same ones that like the humble nice brown nosing stuff that doesn't sell PPV's. We call those people woke liberals here in southern US lol. There's nothing wrong with trash talking or fighting in the setup. Devon has almost single handedly took arm wrestling to another level and wasn't cause he was being a sweet humble opponent lol. Imagine if Connor McGregor was a sweetie pie to his opponents and didn't fight for anything.. he probably wouldn't be anywhere close to the sport
Pradeep, why aren't you also calling out the coordinated public attack (led by Engin) against Devon JUST BEFORE he's on the verge of creating EvW history by winning a 3rd belt... Devon has competed at EvW for 2 years, but Engin is now suddenly bringing up this issue just days before the match! What was he doing for 2 years?? Or why didn't he raise this issue when he announced the match with Oleg 3 months ago??
Finally Someone Who Speaks The Truth About Devon's Cheats Devon Himself Admitted All These Setup Tactics, No Hate At All But It Ain't Fair For Anyone Though
The arm wrestling it's one of the ugliest and borning sports on earth to watch. Devon understood that without entertainment, the arm wrestling is of no interest to anyone. 99% of people want to assist the Devon's enterrtainment show and consequently the arm wrestling match.
What the hell do you expect? Devon was raping his hand in the setup. The least he could do was regripping but even the referee was giving him fouls. He couldn't do anything to prevent devon from getting advantages
I think armwrestling table pads should have inbuilt scales, and if those scales show zero - meaning the athlete gets his elbow up the pad (usually to readjust to a more convenient position) - sometimes not noticed by a referee - that’s should definitely be a foul. Scales in pads would also help against kingsmovers, who are having those pads touched by their elbows only from side and not from the top. @Pradeep, your thoughts on that?
Ermes looked like he is in court and his answers can legitimately send him to jail 😂
True, thats the engin effect 😂😂
Devon effect
Podcast Effect
Ermes, such a nice guy. It isn't easy dealing with such nonsense in a second language, and also with such a combative person (Devon) who is meant to be a friend, meant to be reasonable, and meant to be aware of his significant global influence. Unfortunately, Devon isn't a capable or diplomatic leader.
I was literally watching him answer same question 10 times without answering it and was thinking "bro, answer the fucking question already". Even I could answer where devon fouls.
Ermes was unable to express it in a proper way. But here is what he meant. Everyone makes fouls. Be it foul starts, moving shoulder, rising, etc. Referees are professionals and they make sure that the rules are adhered to. When they point out the fouls, athletes should respect the referees' calls, follow the rules and play. However, when referees point out fouls on Devon, he starts to complain a lot and screams with too much of entitlement. Even other athletes do complain sometimes, but they do not cross the line. They are respectful of the professional referees. When it comes to Devon, he tends to cross the line every single time. His body language becomes intimidating as well. In the process, his loud speaker wife would join him as well and starts screaming at the referees. It frustrates the referees and opponents a lot and some referees allegedly get intimidated. That's how the match goes on for a longer span. If you look at Devon's supermatches, more than half of the span is wasted on unnecessary tantrums, complaints, dramas, which affects the very decorum and ethics of the sport. Even Engin agrees with it. It drains the physical and mental energy of the opponents and referees. Eventually, they get frustrated and lose focus. That's the dirty tactics Devon plays.
I think as an organiser, Engin needs to give full power and authority to the referees to handle any misconduct, disrespect and undoings by the athletes. Because nobody is bigger than the rules and sport.
Imagine seeing a comment which makes a lot of sense and doesn't get into a pitfall of mockery.
this is the best explanation ive seen. Im still a huge fan of Devon, always have been, but what you said here is true.
Your last paragraph is the most important. And I would add that Engin has handled this issue very unprofessionally & unfairly. Bringing all this up and targeting Devon just 2 weeks before a title match is ridiculous... These discussions with athletes should have been done, in the presence of referees, at the end of one of the previous EvW events so that Devon & all the other athletes could make the necessary adjustments & practise under those conditions properly in their prep for the next event. The timing of all this shows Engin in a very poor light.
Man you put that so well ❤❤❤
@@H____R Personally I'm a hard believer in rules and conditions that provide a lot of freedom but after that the floor is lava. For example make pads big and squishy so athletes actually have space to arm wrestle (squishy pads allow even some limited vertical movement). But after that you can go all out in strictness all the way through to PAL levels. Slight bumps on those pads now can be called out without hesitation cause we know that a small bump on a squishy pad is actually not so small. Same goes with fouls. Introduce 3-foul system (instead of 2) and running fouls but then abolish warnings and don't hesitate to foul people. Et cetera. The weird and beautiful amalgamation of strictness and lenience in a single package. People can actually arm wrestle but it's also fair.
It took like 2 years to finally start calling him on his cheating. The sad thing is he probably doesnt even need to do that to win
He excuses himself on bad refereeing but how about the times he goes early, pushes his oponent arm towards him, climbs, tightens the strap while distracting the referee, that is just absolute cheating.
He says their matches take so long because if he feels he is getting cheat he wont start, but if his opponent feels he is getting cheat he forces the start
A lot of stuff that will never make him great
Absolutely wrong. Ermes was calling him a cheater during the match, perhaps you didnt see it?
@@porkypile that was taken as banter. Now ppl are starting to talk about it publicly
Devon is a cunt of a person. That refereeing against PRUDNICK WAS A JOKE.
ENGIN N DEVON BOTH RUIN THIS SPORT.
ENGIN RIGGED THE ERMES DEVON MATCH AND DEVON WILL HAVE A TANTRUM IF HE HAS TO PULL FAIR. SIMPLE.
DEVON N ENGIN HAVE BEEN IN BED TOO LONG.
Liked the vid cause I agree they should have invited you to the discussion! You seem to have a rational, unbiased perspective on the matter.
Unfortunately he burnt too many bridges in the aw community.
Engin said that they would have a discussion with all the athletes and also consult older / retired armwrestlers. That is the correct approach.
Yeah Pradeep says it like it is,I have more respect for his approach towards matters in arm wrestling.
Who is the best cheater in current armwrestling world? I think nobody has to answer the question. We all know the answer. Case closed.
When the GOAT called him out on that, no further questions.
Anyone you have seen elbow foul to get a restart is the biggest cheater in the world. If you haven't noticed this... it's because your confirmation bias has you on tilt.
you like ermes said nothing with your comment,, how is he cheating ? ? brainless monkeys putting these retarded comments on a retarded channel
Devon's childish relationship with referees is the only example I can think of in professional sport where a competitor can curse at and abuse a referee/umpire without any repercussions. Such behaviour in football, American football, basketball, ice hockey, tennis, cricket, baseball etc... immediately results in warnings, followed by being sent off/disqualified. (Not to mention the utter rubbish he spouts towards the arm wrestling opponent, constantly trying to distract them mentally from an objective measurement of skill. This does not happen in professional sport without punishment. The refs should punish this too, but are too afraid.) Armwrestling must catch up. If Devon wants armwrestling to be a big, international, professional sport, welcome--this is what it looks like.
Alot of people, myself and my friends included started watching the sport as a gimmick, entertained by the outlandish antics of Matt Mask and Devon. I think the sport is too small to put those stringent rules and survive. However recent behaviour by Devon turns people away from the sport I feel so maybe there is a middle ground of rules that could work
@@adam_nykalimy mates i tried so hard to get them to follow this sport, but Devon put them off.
How Dare Devon say that HE DOESNT CHEAT. DEVONS CAREER IS A JOKE. JOHN NEVER CHEATED N LOST CENTRE.
DEVON HAD TO CHEAT HIS WHOLE CAREER.
It’s so crazy Devon wants the rules to be exactly how he likes to arm wrestle. It’s mind blowing he can’t see how ridiculous that is
He must be related to lebrawny james
That’s not true. He exploits unclear rules and everyone is complaining. He already said numerous times he’s fine with why rules.
The rules at EvW were set by Engin, not by Devon. Engin chose to have loose rules (not strict Waf rules) because he didn't want boring matches that very few would watch.
If you're not gonna place accountability on the promoter & his referees, you won't get a solution.
The substances he uses infuse a massiv god complex in him...
@@michaelseacer no he’s trying to tell engin the way they should be in some of the conversations the last few streams. He’s actually acting surprised people can’t stand the way he cheats and bullies the refs
Pradeep pulled devons entire body, mind,soul etc without the table
😂
In 2024!!
Yeah sure
Anybody with half a brain and two working eyes knows Devon cheats from the get go. At first it was cool to watch , but over time when you see other athletes be fair, respect the refs rules, and don't try to cheat in the setup. It becomes more and more HARD to watch. It's refreshing to see two athletes just arm wrestle to determine who the stronger guy is on the table and not try to verbally attack them and the refs while cheating in the setup.
you like ermes said nothing with your comment,, how is he cheating ? ? brainless monkeys putting these retarded comments on a retarded channel
The solution is someone needs to convince Devon that he is making an ass of himself and displaying poor sportsmanship which can ultimately be damaging to the sport by scaring new viewers away. I used to love Devon, but he changed over the last 5 years. Or at least his persona in matches has changed. There is a difference between being aggressive and confrontational, which is good match hype, and being outright disrespectful by demeaning and insulting your opponent. Engin needs to have a sit down with Devon and lay down the law. No more degrading opponents. These europeans simply won't put up with it either. You saw how Levan and Denis reacted to Devons crap talking. They were legit pissed. Foul him out of the match if he is going to act like that, but better not put it on TV because he will throw a tantrum like you have never seen. Honestly, its better to remove Devon from any matches until he comes back down to earth. He can't be controlled.
Man everyone is pissed with him, but when they talk in front of him they act like chickens. Maybe they are afraid because of his fame. Devon lately publicly implies bad things about engin, and he for sure has seen it, but nothing happens.
Agreed 💯❤
@Armfan17 yup dev called Dennis a 'f4gg%t' in one of the recent training vids captured by fans at the training
@@Armfan17Truth!
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience.
You can bring a horse to a river but you can't make it drink.
Devon is not the only one who moves on the grip,shoulders,wrist etc. But Devon is public figure that everyone is picking on him. Discussion should be whole arm wrestling community,other arm wrestlers.
He wants support from his country men after he verbally assaults all of them before during and after they pull. What a guy.
What’s this mean?
devon pulled chance shaw. thats the only american hes pulled in years.
Its part of the game nothing personal, boxers do the same but often become all good after their fights, if you watch mma and boxing youd know devons trashtalk is so, so, so, light.
The ego 😂, now he thinks there is a crusade against him. Also John didnt say "dont take any advantage", he said allow both competitors to be happy
slowly but surely people are seeing devon’s true colors
and i love it !
Cries that countrymen aren’t supporting him after he treats them all like absolute shit. Narcissist behaviour
@@benolson272 John and Travis are not Devon’s countrymen. Devon has consistently built both athletes up whenever he is not competing against either of them. You’re trying to diagnose a celebrity with a personality disorder based on a disagreement over what is cheating in armwrestling. I’m starting to see why Devon thinks his haters have low IQs.
@@provingastrology4471 man, in the vid he referred to countrymen and people from the west. And the low IQ ppl are his fans that don’t know shit. And I’m deriving his behaviour from personal experience not a dumb cheating vid. He slams his country men (the west) all the time and is now crying wolf when they call him out.
I always appreciate your communication. Clear, concise, honest. Way to go! I agree with everything you said.
I agree I watched the two-hour podcast and nothing was solved
So the referees are that soft that they are intimidated when somebody bitches at them? Then it’s time to get new referees because even NBA referees aren’t that soft and they get bitched at every time they call a foul. One thing engin McMahon hasn’t explained is how Devon “cheats”. Is it he commits fouls that aren’t called? If that’s cheating then why have referees if they are going to stand there and not call fouls
Facts
Good topic, highlights the need to flush out these rules. Devon hasn't done anything wrong regards to cheating, but regarding the starts, if viewed as unfair in that he (and others!) start early, the rules should be looked at and like you said, maybe fouls instead of warnings for false starts
This is the best comment I've seen. It's all about making strict rules before the go. It's weird how in conversations like this people forget how common guys will false start(i.e. Kamil Jablonski who false starts every other go). Devon is just the lightning rod for criticism because he's popular and actually argues against refs.
I think calling Devon a disgrace and a cheater is just butthurt Euro prattle and doesn't paint the full picture. He clearly fights for every inch he thinks he has within the rules, which I think is fine. When he loses he always takes it on the chin.
love it no bias just objectively speaking
RUclips algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... clearly written PUBLIC rules, plz!!
Devon cheats where ever possible and bullies the referees to get the advantage, that is a fact. This is the only written down rule in arm wrestling. All of his opponents can confirm it.
and whoever denies it is a fangirl on her period
Anytime I see Devon loading and moving backwards he wins (relatively) easily, anytime he is forced to not move a muscle except for bracing and loading and he has to stay as still as possible he has a harder time. For example look at all the times in matches when a ref is saying “ready” and look at Devon’s movement backwards and watch the result as opposed to when Devon has 1 or two fouls and he’s standing straight up and he doesn’t move backwards when they are saying “ready”.
It’s just a pattern I’ve seen. It’s probably technically not cheating as per rules as how they are specified. However, I think if all the pullers knew they could load and remain squared and hands in the center but slight positioning of their bodies during the “ready” phase is acceptable and might negate some of Devon’s advantages he takes. When Devon’s small movement of his upper torso goes away from the table it creates a leverage that accentuates his rise in the palms capacity to negate hand power of his opponents before the word “go” is even said.
Agreed. But yeah it’s not cheating…it’s hard to call, he’s never not going to do it lol. I notice every time as well. But it’s not his fault either, any armwrestler is going to do what they can to get the advantage
I re watched ermes vs devon. he easily pins him without moving his shoulders in the 3rd round
Devon asked what's the difference between a false start and pre loading ..... But that is the point.
Where will you draw a line for an acceptable preload? so you shouldn't.
Brace yourself as hard as you can but do not make any physical movement.
AND he also mentioned that he is right because refrees don't foul him out. Refrees (especially hristo) play very professional. They know how much to stretch. And if you are involved in an argument with them, that means you are already pushing the boundaries. That is why his matches are almost hour long and still no fouls.
That's definetly an issue. Loading yes or no. How to refee it if it is strictly prohibited?!
I find it ironic how these people talk about courage, but you are the only one who actually has enough to call these things out.
Pradeep you are a clever man
That ref Christo did allow Devon to do some weird things in the Prudnick match but my man Pradeep in the genadi match Christo was letting Genadi get away with a lot of cheating
if they let devon cheat all the time, why they shouldnt let his opponents do it too?
@@goldtaker95 they shouldn’t let anyone cheat im just responding to « christo is afraid of Devon » which I don’t believe he is . They should just apply stricter rules
Ermes loves cheating himself, talk about throwing rocks in a house of glass.
Engin should just say in a refs grip any movement above the table. it's a warning for sure or even a foul. The refs should be instructed to do this regardless of who's pulling. The pullers will figure it out, and than we got a solid rule
Couple of rules Id install:
1. At the start, yozur shoulders must be not just squared to table, but BEHIND the table line
2. NO risers for short guys.
Yes, you will be in a dissadvantage, but arent you in advantage for being short and stocky, i.e. being able to put a LOT more muscle naturally, and also on certain weight cap than taller guy? So, you want the advantages of being short (bulk, muscles, and even shorter forearm is advantake in certain styles) but you dont want the tall and leany guy to have his advantage for his body type?
It's cool u changed ur opinions of niel he is so much more than a announcer he was a elite armwrestler in his prime him and monster had a awsome match
He ripped people off with lies, in tandem with dev and sandris
Arm Wrestling cannot probably become a (financially) successful mainstream sport as it is now. The most important rules in armwrestling should be: (1) testing in conjunction with (2) weight caps.
1. Testing: all athletes should be tested against juices etc. Rino said that Levan is juiced in an amount "that could kill an elephant". Most (if not all) super heavy weights, and a lot others are probably in a similar situation. This is not good for them and not appealing for people like myself, who are 100% natural and want to stay like that. Perhaps a lot of potential viewers cannot empathize with juiced people.
2. Weight caps considering natural biological limitations of the human body (without juices), taking into account (i) height and (ii) body constitution (athletic, robust etc). The kidneys and livers of the athletes will say a big thank you to such rules. For instance, perhaps a robust Levan should be capped at 130kg at most, while a tall Devon at 110kg and a taller Vitaly at 115kg. MMT and Dave should be around 105kg and a robust but not so tall Denis should be at some 110kg.
Let me know your thoughts.
Let the arm wrestlers choose the rules they want, if they wanna start loaded let them or unloaded. Let them decide what kind of fouls they want and make them agree to it.
... and this is why armwrestling will never become mainstream. I mean if you lot haven't even written the rules on paper yet then you simply don't have the mentality to become mainstream.
Devon 'The Bully Clown' Larratt 🤡🤡🤡
Excuse, there were some questions my Math teacher did not know the answer to?
These are Arm wrestlers 😅
Referees
Well said 👏
Maybe refs should be heavyweight MMA fighters or Ex marines so they dont get intimmidated.
thats actually a very valid point. one of the best boxing referees of hw fights was a tall black guy (forgot his name), as tall as lennox lewis, he would break every shitty clinch tactics from the taller fighters weighing on their shorter opponents, and was able to do it quickly because he was as big as the tall boxers
Nah ref should get more power ,
A ex Marine, who cant punch a easy one and two. 😂
Iam wondering, if this Organization is so big, why there is no committee who decides, if there is ANY problem. Athletes are Athletes and Devon is one of them. So why talk with the Athlete? This will always give the intention that someone is higher then the other. It has to be a Neutral decision from professional people in the background. No Drama, no talking. Just decide with intelligence, fair and square!
Yes!
The only rational discussion I've seen is on this channel.
Europeans and Americans simply avoid speaking the hard truth directly, preferring to smooth the edges instead.
This was definitely a low blow from john and engin. To me it definitely seemed like they were trying to diminish devons accomplishments.
What if they were just pointing out (finally I'd say) what Devon has been doing forever?
All these guys are competitors with each other
devon was the one who promoted armwrestling in corona times and took it too whole another level.
So?
Keep suckin his pp girl... 😂
iv been said this for YEARS!
As far as EvW goes, this is ALL Engins fault. As an organizer he should NEVER have had ANY rule discussions on podcasts or pre-event live streams. Bringing in active athletes into a live discussion over rules that are not yet set in stone was a really really stupid move.
You can't blame an athlete for trying to get an advantage to win, it's up to the refs to keep things fair. I'm not taking anything away from any athlete given what I just said, however, the refs have been sub-par, to say the least in these events.
Ermes again emasculated by Devon…Ma freeen, what’s going on? Remember your Gladiator roots!
Language barrier.
@@papakush420-gg just like when they fought?
@@papakush420-gg Somehow, Demon`s mind games don`t work vs Gena.
Opana doesn`t giva a shait.
Engin has handled this issue very unprofessionally & unfairly. Bringing all this up and targeting Devon just 2 weeks before a title match is ridiculous... These discussions with athletes should have been done, in the presence of referees, at the end of one of the previous EvW events so that Devon & all the other athletes could make the necessary adjustments & practise under those conditions properly in their prep for the next event. The timing of all this shows Engin in a very poor light.
Genadi was so on point while talking about Ermes how mentally weak he is... It was a poor sight when he could not call out Devon how exactly he cheated out the set up against him.
The problem is they are all under "contract" now... Now, they all have to consider losing big $$ or violating their contract terms if they speak out. We all know, Engin and Devon are running the show. EvW is just WAL rebrand.
@@JonHop1 Language barrier doesn't help. But WAL as flawed as it was, it was still the best IMO.
🎉 agree
@@datbunneh3671 WAL was scripted and staged tho... They are still suing Mike Ayello for releasing the Scripted matches on his IG...
@@datbunneh3671 yeah but its was scripted and staged... We all know cuz of the Juji/Mike matchup where he publicly released its script for all the matches(which is why they took him to court)
Well Hristo did call a imaginary foul on devon. Made some vad calls in the jerry vs Genadi match and a couple other imaginary fouls that always favor the east guys.
We dont know that for certain as the camera angle doesnt show it unfortunately. Thats a fact. But if it was a foul it has got to be a microfoul and a definately a very strict call. But there are also calls that favored the western athletes. But they were just mistakes just like the ones that favor the easterners. Not intenional. Its just you dont see those because it helps your guy
@@te-tg4ip yea 💯 imaginary elbow foul that did cost Devon that round. But I think on that day Genadi was ready and wouldn't have made much of a difference if they hadn't called the imaginary elbow foul. But Hristo also was calling fouls on Jerry and genadi had to start calling his own elbow fouls cause Hristo wouldn't call them, was hilarious 😂. Also the Paul Linn sasho match and a couple others that favored the east. Refs gonna make mistakes cause they just human, but when they favor one team more often than not, then it becomes a problem. But to Hristo defense, he hasn't screwed the west in awhile. Since western refs showed up it's evened it out a lot better
Dude devon got away with murder that day, he does every match. Simple.
This SPORT IS LAWLESS N DEVON N TODD MADE A CAREER OUT OF CHEATING.
EVERYTHING DEVON SAYS IS ALWAYS WRONG N BIASED N JESUS HE HAS HAD A CAREER OF CHEATING N SPECIAL TREATMENT
I would also love to discuss rules. I’m all about the nitty gritty details and will analyze as many pov’s i can
Devon saying Travis is jealous of him is wild lmao the Larratts are straight up tweakers
Yea. Travis was also before Devon and devon copied travis and not the other way. Seems like people forget this as well. Basically Devon hasn't even been original from the start lmao. He just copied Travis and made it worse.
@@topijarvinen5374 "people forget I'm the reason Devon stayed on a diet for 15 years"
"Hammer? They only ever made 6 hammers and 5 of them are at my house 'cause I took a year off"
"If it's Devon Larratt vs Al-Qaeda, I'm gonna have to go with the Al-Qaeda"
😂 Travis might take advantage in a set up and talk some trash, but at least he's a naturally funny guy. The best Larratt can come up with is "you're gay, you gonna cry?" smh
@@ChrisDesh Yea i'm not a Travis fan either but he is way more likeable and funny out of the two. He basically just makes one-liners and mom jokes and leaves it at that. Devon on the other hand is not funny and actually becomes a scumbag of a person who after the fact goes "haha i was just pretending to be rtarded" That's not how that works buddy. Devon is like a perfect mixture of that said meme and the saying of "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company" that sounds true about this community too sadly. Also the whole if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you kind of thing. Devon at this point is way beyond "pretending" and just having a "role" even if in his twisted mind thinks so the outcomes and results are from it. You just can't really in practice act like a complete sleezeball and then try to "return to normal" after the fact.
Devon also can't take himself what he dishes out. It's hilarious how he and his fans thinks of him like some master tier brainiac when he gets extremely butthurt every single time someone give it back to him. Chance shaw played him like a fool.
@@topijarvinen5374 all good points. (Disclaimer - I am a Travis fan. Got exposed to professional armwrestling from seeing Pulling John. The dude with a hairlip, receding hairline and lazy eye from nowhere West Virginia saying "I'm a triple threat - big, fast, and handsome" had me dying. Then he beats Voevoda! Fan for life.)
Engin hates Devon. Always has. Only acts like he likes him because he needs Devon. Devon has literally catapulted armwrestling into where it is. Has been for like 7 years ish. As soon as engin feels as if h doesn’t need Devon. He will turn on him hard.
Engin doesn't give af about solutions because Larratt is his cash cow. All this useless ramble and semantics from Terzi is complete posturing and pretending to care to manipulate the fan base into thinking that he "cares" about the problem. News flash, HE DOESN'T. He talks like a corrupt politician, who isn't interested in addressing the problems with Larratt and the referees PRACTICALLY. The fool Terzi doesn't even know his own rules 😂😂😂 "Sometimes maybe even the promoter should be blamed." - You worded this extremely lightly. Terzi is the biggest authority who makes the changes under the promotion, so what are you talking about? Devon pushes (exploits) the rule system because he can, because Terzi ALLOWS it and HASN'T ADDRESSED THE PROBLEMS with the referees and Larratt!!
Don't let this distract from Ryan Bowen posting sus oucture with indian female armwrestler. "I gonna miss you" and confirmation he is divorced in comments🤔
I wonder why you not touched that subject yet
I think the issue is that changing the rules is better for armwrestling but the drama that this creates may be good from a promotional standpoint. This is why Engin allows Devon to be this way and tolerates him, he brings in the money
Let me tell you something bro the only reason that east vs west is even a thing is because Devon is a part of it if he would leave e v w it as a promotion would dwindle down to nothing trust me so engin better watch what he says to and about Devon because it will just hurt his promotion in the long run !
Did UFC collapsed, when Ngannou left? Nope.
Then let him cheat, do whatever he wants, and disrespect whoever he wants, right? Beta male
Keep suckin devon's pp girl... 😂what a loser thinking that Devon is backbone???
First concerning Ermes, it is clear that it is difficult for him to talk correctly in English, i am sure he will explain his point of view a lot easier in italian.
Second thing, thanks for this video it is good for armwrestling to clarify things for all of us.
I would like you to give your opinion about what rules should be concerning start position and fouls.
I like aw and I’m new to the sport but I have to admit tht a sport that has no clear and written rules can’t even be considers a sport
Devon moves and he gets called. someone else moves when trying to deal with Devon’s riser oh it’s hard let’s not call him.
The refs have to call the rules consistently! Devon doesn’t foul more than his opponents.
😂😂😂😂
Devon fouls all the time, even before the match and during the match.
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What happened to the AW Whisperer? That guy went off grid, after interacting with Larrats?
and what is about dmirtry silaev, vitaly has competitions etc. but what is with him ?
Devon pushes the refs for what ever he can get, which is fine, but the refs should be granted more power to foul him for some of his antics.
You have good points ma man !👌
Pradeep .. is there still some beef between you and Engin/Neil ? .. They really need to get you involved a lot more as their livestreams are increasingly populated by 'yes' men who are scared to upset the apple cart or have any opposing opinion .. especially when Devon is on !
With Engin being the Enigma of Rage and his childish behaviour at this old age, it would not be far fetched to assume Engin still hates Pradeep and also Ryan Bowen.
Engine is the one who messing up between these athletes. Emers was very embarrassed on that live streem.
For me thats so crazy like how the hell are you intimidated by someone like cmon man..is he gonna eat him or what ? Just fight maan . Organization and refferis allow that stuff so why thay complain. Devon this devon that ... Same time ermes says im not complain but it was unfair.. dude what!? what does that mean !? This talk is getting very childish .
And I don't think there is anything to solve devon is not cheatin
I always thought Hristo was intimidated that day, I just heard that in the podcast today and I was like “yeah ofcourse he was intimidated devon” 🤣
2:00 some organizers/rulers prefer secret/backroom deals and operation in the shadows
A puppeteer does not want you to see their hands or the strings they pull
Pradeep, will you review the 2nd season of Jujutsu Kaisen?
yea you need to be a channel member tho
Devon is a big bully
Yes he is, on the stage and behind the camera.
Womp womp
The funniest part about it is he’s playing the victim!! He actively tries to change the rules to suit his exact style and he acts like he’s in the right!! He’s arguing with the promoter about how his rules need to be!! It’s insane!!
You make content off others content just be happy there giving you something
All these sore losers
Engin has changed he started by early on saying he was doing it for the love of the sport, NOW? Devon shot him down in the podcast with John, it is time for Engin to handover the mantle to someone who can take it to the next stage!
Like who? The only people I trust now in Arm Wrestling is the Georgians and the Russians. They are the only people that still have Integrity left in the sport.
@@JonHop1 I would not confuse moral principal with what Devon does or what Igor did or what Engin now does, there is a love for the sport but some have a greater love for money than others, then say they love the sport but put restrictions on athletes once they've made their name, so Engin is the new Igor, it all starts out so well, you have to have a collaboration with the sponsors, so what countries are neutral and get on? I would start with considering people like Neil Pickup, Devon for his understanding and manipulation of the rules, Denis for his ethical demeanor, Moral principals and one man and money don't mix well.. you end up getting hair transplants and going against your own principles, with an unmoving opinion that no one will ever be greater than your Idol, when Devon has the potential to be the greatest.... Now wait I am. Denis Fan!
@@JonHop1 my comment was deleted? Edited: after reading comments further down referring to a beef with Engin and Neil.... Sorry Pradeep if I missed that and my comment was in some way out of order!
@stuartmackay9270 it's not u or Pradeep. It's yt moderation. They are super heavy handed these days
@@JonHop1 thank you, I had an email about a Reply below, when I looked for it on YT that persons reply was also gone.... Not good, thank you for the update!
.........now I'm not a fan of ungentlemanly conduct, but we must be Clear on what Devon does, he explains it very clearly on one of his videos, ITS A WAR and he's in it to win it, if people in the war are not up to the task including Engin, how is that Devon's fault, so why blame him, just like war if someone for whatever reason is affected is that the dominant sides problem? Is Devon being disrespectful? Why is he allowed to do it, who lets him off with it, is he their cash cow, Devon isn't doing anything wrong he is playing a game of how he sees it life and death, it's simple to him LIVE as the alternative is beyond contemplation, as if you succumb to the converse the fight is already lost, ask Ermes, he was beaten before he got to the table, remember war a fight is only as fair as the people involved, so keep your focus on the big picture and fix it not on a one to one basis but the root of the problem, Devon, John and co expressed a wish for more comprehensive rules, just like the rings of power one to rule them all, go figure....
Devin manipulates situations. Not just the setup, but situations around him. He's turning into a loser.
Time limit on match starts is the solution imo
Just write the rules already and follow them. Jesus. Make copies, give to everyone to have it like the bible. Thats the first step. Everyone will know them like prayers. Now no one knows anything.
if devon loses then he accept the loss and appreciate the opponents and when he wins he is a cheater wth🤦♂️🤦♂️
Ermes complains about Devon beating him in cheating when Ermes himself loves cheating on the table. The issue 95% of pullers have with Devon is him being better at cheating than they are and they dont like being outplayed. Ermes for example loves starting with a bent wrist before the go, watch any of his matches and you see him pulling out any trick while calling the opponent cheater. About Hristo being scared of Devon, he surely wasnt in the Genadi match were he was riding Devon's ass and letting Genadi get away with almost everything.
Really seems like you have a problem with devon.
Because all the main players don't like him
The video meeting was for Devon to clarify his statements about bravery, not to discuss rules. Hermes just popped in.
But that was the minority discussion
Devon playing victim. People have been complaining about him for many years. He is so difficult before and during a match
Solution....don't invite or allow him to compete anymore until he falls in line...OR...get referees that stop his ridiculous behavior. Every grip is ref grip...don't move...1 warning, 1 foul, DQ and no $$$.
victimizing himself, going to extreme emotions and ending friendships because of irrelevant stuff, thats textbook borderline personality, something more common in girls, but he has it too
He definetly has massiv narcistics tendencies...
@@chipferguson5129 that wouldnt work cuz they need him more than he needs them. East vs West would go out of business without Devon's PPV sales before Devon gets broke enough to where he needs them. They also dont want to risk him going to another promotion cuz hes a big enough PPV draw that it could become legitimate competition to East vs West, it would be like letting Conor Mcgregor go to a diff company
@@inspired1639 Let's him go...I buy PPV and turn it when the clown comes on.
Your contend is really great❤ but i guess they dont invited you for that interview cuz sometimes you are just not that humble😅❤maybe thats the wrong word but you seem bit serious and arrogant even so im pretty sure you are not arrogant and you are very nicw guy..but maybe i get your vibes wrong❤
Only insecure/jealous people, can consider Pradeep as a threat.
Nobody likes open minded people nowadays, anywhrere in the world.
They need followers. Cult like.
Laddu Mutya Swami = Devon
Are you saying a guy well under 6 feet is intimidated by a 270 pound six foot five special forces wolverine lookalike!!
I`d say homeless lookalike.
Well imagine if a NFL linebacker didnt fight within the rules to tackle the quarterback, imagine if a MMA fighter didnt fight for everything within the rules.. they probably wouldn't be in their sports long. Just because pullers have 0 setup skills shouldn't mean that devon is cheating lol
In most sports if you argue with the referee you can be disqualified straight up. Devon is not cheating but extremely annoying and unprofessional. Respect the rules and referees. Bend the rules but don't cross the limit.
@@limo-swine6537It's a different culture in North America. All the major sports (basketball, NFL, baseball) don't disqualify you for questioning or arguing with a referee's call. And all those sports have the largest viewership & revenues.
@@limo-swine6537 he doesn't cross or he would be fouled out but never gets fouled out. The whole point of any sport is fighting for everything within the rules to win. That's literally the definition of sports. Exactly what Devon does. Its on the refs if they don't foul it's not Devons fauit
@@tallpaulhutchensjr. It's in the refs, yes. But this doesn't make Devon's unprofessional behaviour acceptable. Wasting time, verbally arguing with refs and not listening to the refs is unacceptable. If anyone else other than Devon does this then they would be fouled out and humiliated. But Devon enjoys immunity because of his image. That is differential treatment and called cheating
If Devon behaves properly it won't reduce his value. Why does he have to cry so much for every match? Does any other athlete do it? Does it mean the other athletes don't want to win as much as Devon? No. It means Devon's behaviour is inappropriate and unacceptable. Don't support such behaviour saying "it is legal and needed to win."
@@limo-swine6537 the only ones that don't like Devons behavior are probably the same ones that like the humble nice brown nosing stuff that doesn't sell PPV's. We call those people woke liberals here in southern US lol. There's nothing wrong with trash talking or fighting in the setup. Devon has almost single handedly took arm wrestling to another level and wasn't cause he was being a sweet humble opponent lol. Imagine if Connor McGregor was a sweetie pie to his opponents and didn't fight for anything.. he probably wouldn't be anywhere close to the sport
Pradeep, why aren't you also calling out the coordinated public attack (led by Engin) against Devon JUST BEFORE he's on the verge of creating EvW history by winning a 3rd belt... Devon has competed at EvW for 2 years, but Engin is now suddenly bringing up this issue just days before the match! What was he doing for 2 years?? Or why didn't he raise this issue when he announced the match with Oleg 3 months ago??
I long stopped watching, let alone buying, anything with Devon in it. I think he brings only toxicity
Dude your commenting on a video about him
@@aquamegalodon45 Yes, I read an AI summary of this video. What's your problem?
yeah. it's not easy to control ego. especially when you are on gear.
The rules aren't written down? What? lol, yikes.
Finally Someone Who Speaks The Truth About Devon's Cheats
Devon Himself Admitted All These Setup Tactics, No Hate At All But It Ain't Fair For Anyone Though
PAL rules
The arm wrestling it's one of the ugliest and borning sports on earth to watch. Devon understood that without entertainment, the arm wrestling is of no interest to anyone. 99% of people want to assist the Devon's enterrtainment show and consequently the arm wrestling match.
If so, he should move to WWE.
@@djomlatebra
It would be the end of current arm wrestling and the money that goes around the sport today.
@@Fran830 No it won`t. Do you have an idea how many top notch, present and future armwrestlers are out there?
Check out WAF, AMC tournaments.
Nothing in writing? haha Armwerestling is a real sport...
I mean, it’s not like Engin is actually going to agree to anything official in a RUclips livestream. It’s a place for entertainment.
Bro you also have to make video on Indian refrees and rules
Khulli cheanting karte hain 😂😂😂😂
😂😂 hnn , khulli toh nhi pr thoda sa adv jrur dete h. National tk me hua tha , Benjamin called out sid as well for that.
@@Noob.Anonymous national to chodo Ryan wale me kya haal Kiya tha inhone .
Ermes literally fouled the entire time him and devon when they had referees grip😂😂😂😂 yall delusional
No Devon and his wife made it where he had to foul. He was getting cheated so much...
@rollinupeverest5042 dude did you watch the match???? Jody wasn't there dumb ass lol
What the hell do you expect? Devon was raping his hand in the setup. The least he could do was regripping but even the referee was giving him fouls. He couldn't do anything to prevent devon from getting advantages
@amporg1285 in referees grib he was literally not moving! When the refs closed ermes hand he regripped and got fouled
What rule needs to be changed
so devon paid the refs at KOTT while competing against john? John Did say he won the toss but still got the buckle side
You guys are so delusional 😂
@@provingastrology4471 u sound triggered
Angry that he dared say John Cheats like Devon button >>>>
I think armwrestling table pads should have inbuilt scales, and if those scales show zero - meaning the athlete gets his elbow up the pad (usually to readjust to a more convenient position) - sometimes not noticed by a referee - that’s should definitely be a foul.
Scales in pads would also help against kingsmovers, who are having those pads touched by their elbows only from side and not from the top.
@Pradeep, your thoughts on that?
Too unrealistic for now.