The long range and Performance have a bit of a edge when it comes to the out of sight sound system, to me anyway one of the most important parts of the car.
I think one MAJOR difference you forgot to mention is the audio system as well… the M3P have a premium Audi system while the regular M3s don’t have the same system. And if I’m not mistaken the 2023 models also have a different system layout as well
Well done video. I think the car cost is CHEAP - when you factor in it doesn’t run on gas, amazing tech and UI. Holds 5 adults and like you said does 0-60 in 3.1, 1/4 in 11.6 and 162 top speed. No other car can do that for the $
Yes! Having the speed & acceleration at your disposal is much safer, but I don't hear it talked about enough. Even just getting through something like a roundabout, having that acceleration makes it much safer.
There's a significant difference between 3 seconds and 4+ seconds as it's very noticeable when talking how fast a car is. The M3P can clock in 2.98-3.00 seconds with a good launch and conditions. Slap on lighter wheels on the M3P and it'll yield better range on paper and in the real world, while improving on performance.
But only if you really, truly care. What %age of the population would notice that difference? And that’s OK, right? We all buy things for different reasons.
@@jeffpicken5057 , That's true; however, my point is that for someone buying a performance model, it's logical to assume that they are in it for performance + being able to get better efficiency with lighter 18s or 19s = best of both worlds. (Better range + performance.) To your point, the majority should just buy the rwd, charge to 100% daily and call it a day. All three models have its place.
To add, the Uber 20s are terrible, heavy and a bad choice by tesla. I swapped mine out to forged 19s that weight 10lbs less and it's a night and day difference. I avg. 220-250 kw even with a heavy foot/pulls to 45-60 at times.
So I take it you've driven both? Thanks, that's the kind of insight I'm looking for (Tesla here didn't have Performance models for test driving). I see a lot of people say acceleration on all Tesla models is plenty fast enough, but it's never clear whether those people have actually tried both or are just happy with what they ended up with.
If you've never owned a performance ICE car the Model Y is an easy choice - if however you're a car enthusiast there is a big trade off when going to electric although there are perks as well. A simple breakdown: Pros to going Electric: - No more gas - Less maintenance and less time spent at dealers - Wake up every morning with a full tank (if you're able to charge at home) - Instant acceleration - Won't kill yourself if you leave the car running in the garage Cons: - Not as fun - though the instant acceleration is great to have, the loss of a visceral feeling whether provided by the sound or shifting will leave you somewhat bored. This is real, hence why Porsche is trying very hard to inject some sort of emotion into the Taycan and advertises it with the tag "Soul, electrified". Not to mention the old adage "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car", and the reality is acceleration is really great to have just to get you to a turn faster because that's where the fun lies. - Handling - you feel the full weight of the Model Y - it's a porker - the Model 3 is what you want if handling and steering is something you value. - Still not as easy to just hit the road and go on a long trip - Cost/time spent supercharging when traveling - Regarding the Long Range vs the Performance - the fact that they still share the same interior is a let down - make if feel special on the inside - seats, trim, steering wheel, SOMETHING. My brief .02 cents on the matter after owning both Tesla's and performance vehicles for years.
@@jeffpicken5057 thanks, although a lot of my points have been made before I'm sure, thought it may help someone. I currently own both Y and a performance car so I hope I have a somewhat fair perspective.
I've had my Model 3 Performance for almost 2 years now, and living in NY, I IMMEDIATELY removed the 20s and put 18s on. Potholes are a bitch here. I also went with the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 tires since the 20s were summers. I don't drive in snow all that much but the summers aren't good in the cold. You can actually see the red Brembos a lot easier with the design of my 18s.
Having ordered a MYP 6 months ago and probably still 3 months away, I'm continuously watching reviews of performance versions as i dont have much else to do, this was likely the most relevant review in terms of valuable and useful information from a review of living with the car not only its features for someone who really enjoys driving
Quick question. I just bought 2020 model 3 performance with FSD for $20k(after $4k used ev credit) at my local tesla dealership. Obviously, it has pretty high miles on it. About 90k miles. 1 private owner. No accident. I'm kinda scared of high mileage Ev, but I wanted to give it a try since it has FSD. What do you think about this deal?
Originally had Standard RWD on order about 6 months ago when I wanted to trade up my Corolla, but the wait was 6 months. I sprung for the Perf and took delivery the same week. Didn't think I'd fall in love, but it's such a great car. If you can charge at home or work without hassle, these are fantastic daily drivers. I downsized wheels to Titan7 TS-5 18" and that helped with the rough ride. I think a used 2020 LR at low 40s is the best deal you can get right now. If you drive hundreds of miles at a time regularly and you don't have access to L2 charging, would probably get a M340i xDrive instead in this price point.
I love how people are saying the long range is a better buy.. buddy we aren’t buying the performance for a “bang for buck” LOL well worth it IMO. I love mine and would never change!
I was going to get a new truck but their just crazy expensive, I already have 2 trucks. I just stumbled upon a 2019 M3P and fell in love, I haven’t even test drove it yet 😂
Agree with every word! Starting in 2018 the M3P (no, not the BMW) is hands-down top performance for lowest $! And mom will def aprove taking her to the ball in this beast. Tire shredder!
I wanted to like the Model 3 performance but just couldn’t move from an ice vehicle just yet. I loved your M2 but the one I wanted the CS I could not get for a fair price. So I pivoted to a Cayman GTS manual and love it. If your ever in Northern California hit me up for a test drive. Congrats on hitting 60k subs!
For the used market the long range vs performance is around $2-4k difference. So if you’re factoring in acceleration boost it’s pretty even on price. Once the performance hits sub $25k they’re even closer because of the $4k used ev tax credit. I’d say a performance with lightweight 18s will handle much better then a Long range due to having thicker sway bars/different dampeners lighter aftermarket wheels and slightly lower. Being able to accelerate quicker and to stop quicker/more consistently is a huge plus. I’d say it’s 100% worth the upgrade price on the used market for how much more you’re getting vs what you’re paying.
Quick question. I just bought 2020 model 3 performance with FSD for $20k(after $4k used ev credit) at my local tesla dealership. Obviously, it has pretty high miles on it. About 90k miles. 1 private owner. No accident. I'm kinda scared of high mileage Ev, but I wanted to give it a try since it has FSD. What do you think about this deal?
All excellent points. I have a '22 3P in blue /white and if they had offered the car with 18's at that time I most likely would've optioned mine that way. That said, I love the look of the uberturbine wheels. They are rather heavy though. I may "downgrade" to 18's later on.
I have the 2020 Model 3 performance and I love it. Although I do not plan to go to the track with it, I love the power, and look of it, the spoiler with smoke out 20 inch rims with the red Tesla brake. It makes the car different than most of the regular model 3 on the street. The best feeling is that I can pretty much beat any car on the street if I want to (except the plaid). Hellcats and Mustangs are my regular victims 😂
Hahaha I have a SR+ and I still piss off Mustang 5.0's with their 10 speeds, I can buy a ingenext and cuts 1.2 seconds off the 0-60 which I will be getting this week hopefully
There's been something proven on youtube that 60% of Tesla race videos against other cars are rigged or faked. If you ever see a Tesla lose to something that is slower then it, It has a good chance of being rigged as there's so many EV haters out there.
@@Superman-xr1oh Ingenext is actually a tune for the SR+ and LR (RWD) to shave off a second to the 0-100 Previously my 0-100km/h in my SR+ I was doing 5.4 now I’m doing 4.4 sec 0-100km/h, which is almost Long Range 0-100s LOL It’s awesome if you have an sr+ look up ingenext
I would love the performance or the long range. But realistically I can comfortably afford the RWD base model. 267 or 213(80%) range isn’t horrible. If they can bump the range so it’s 267 at 80% then it would be a no brainer imo. But as it stands now the price gap is just too big. Like I could buy a base model and a nice used ice vehicle with the price difference.
As a retired school teacher, I went with the “poor man’s” Tesla, the 2021 SR+. I saved myself $10 large over the LR. $10,000.00. Two years later, I still haven’t come close to spending that ten grand on travel and trips. Even my cross country trip from CA to KY (5,500 miles) put just a dent in that. What did I give up? Nothing I’d complain about. I still get access to all the tech and the amazing supercharger system. I still get the same build quality (which for my car has been solid and reliable). I get all the OTA updates. AND I get to save the same turtles, dolphins, and elephants as the rest of the Tesla cult. Biggest difference I’ve found so far: I saved myself ten thousand dollars!
I bought the SR+ and made the mistake to go on a test drive in the Performance. BIG MISTAKE! I was able to sell my SR+ with a very healthy profit and now I'm waiting for my Performance. If you are happy don't do a test drive! Hahaha....
@@JohnSmith-oh9iv I had a week with a Performance when my SR+ was in the Tesla shop last December getting service and repair (the horn). I didn’t see $15,000+ difference. You do you and I’m happy you’re happy. For me, I’ll keep the $15 grand, all the same features of the Tesla environment that really matter, and stay happy. Safe drives!
For your info dual motor does not signify that it’s performance because long rage model 3 also indicates dual motor With performance in the back should say performance
I love my 3 LR but I definitely have envy of the performance 0-60. However, my new hubcaps makes mine look like a performance. Shoutout to you for that recommendation
Just a reminder: Model 3 RWD gets more miles/kwh than LR, and with LFP pack chargeable to 100%, everyday range is comparable to LR limited to 80%. RWD is a little slower, but 5.8s to 60 beats some Corvettes of the past…
The consensus from reviewers and owners always seems to be to go for range when choosing, but I go >270 miles in a day extremely rarely, while I accelerate fast and turn corners nearly every single day. Am I missing anything?
I just bought a 2019 Model 3 Performance for $41k with only 18k miles with no accidents. Prices have dropped a lot for Model 3 P’s ! Definitely worth it
My 2023 M3P is very smooth and quiet. Zero rattles or creaks while driving on any type of surface. I just recently rode in a 2022 Model S Plaid and it was rattling and creaking like crazy even at low speed on good roads so my M3P felt more premium than that, believe it or not. I also noticed when looking at a 2021 M3P at carmax the spoiler had that issue of not sitting right by mine was absolutely perfect. I even pushed on it to try to get it to move and it wouldn’t. The interior fit and finish is flawless too. No wide panel gaps whatsoever, even the taillights were aligned perfectly. So I believe Tesla has improved immensely with their quality. People are going to be running out of things to joke about based on what I’m seeing with their newer models.
As far as road noise is concerned, is there a tire with a compound to help with a quieter cabin? I'm so used to road noise in my Grand Caravan, that I probably wouldn't notice the difference, maybe even improve with a car like this.
I went for a LR due to the more comfortable tire/suspension (crappy roads here) however the car is too fast to be controllable with absolute confidence. Wishing I had gotten the Performance for stopping and turning. With the limitations of control, I would not consider buying the software “Boost” on my LR.
Had mine since June. I’ve just past 20000km. I damaged 2 of the rims on a pothole like the 4th or 5th day I had the car. I’ve since put 18s on and the ride is so much better. I would honestly say it is too fast there is almost nowhere I can fully send it without risking a license suspension in a couple of seconds. My only real complaint is how bad the build is. So many rattles/creeks and now I’m getting wind noise from the passenger doors/seals. There are loose trim bits in the interior. I’d definitely get another Ev but it won’t be another Tesla. Anyhow unless you are going to race or something I’d say save your money and buy the Standard or Long range.
Personally I won’t ever buy the “sport” trim of a car again, not worth the increased tire cost and replacement, ride harshness, or clearance issues getting into Atlanta driveways. Been there and done that already with an A4 and C350.
What suspension do you recommend for a 2022 model 3 rwd? The ride quality for the front is fine, but in the back it turns into a roller coaster. In the back it’s bumpy, firm, and not comfortable. I saw you put the luxury suspension on your model y. Is that good?
Subtle changes = more profit for shareholders Invest in shares of TSLA, not the vehicles. YoY returns prove this out. Buy a used Tesla with your returns.
Great and honest review. I do wish Tesla would evolve their shapes a bit more. The Model Y in particularly is looking very dated, and the rear lights on both the 3 and the Y look dated. Small adjustments to both could still keep the value but also improve how they look.
It just seems kind of odd to test a 2021 and say that Tesla needs to improve fit and finish and noise when, from what I’ve seen, they already have. 2023 models are out now and they are definitely much improved. 2021’s were being built in 2020-2021 which was during the pandemic. Lots of manufactures were having quality control issues. Tesla seems to have sorted most of these at this point tho.
For me the matrix led headlights, slightly lower, bigger brakes, and most of all track mode was worth it in mid 21 when I bought it. I put 18 inch wheels with 4s tires. Its as efficient and comfortable as a LR.
I have been wanting to get a Tesla. My lease for my Acura ends in about a year but I’ve already started shopping around. Is the build quality on Tesla as bad as I’ve read from Car and Driver?
The subtle/lack of differences in the performance isn't interesting, it's shitty. The fact that they don't even give you some performance seats is ridiculous.
Quick question. I just bought 2020 model 3 performance with FSD for $20k(after $4k used ev credit) at my local tesla dealership. Obviously, it has pretty high miles on it. About 90k miles. 1 private owner. No accident. I'm kinda scared of high mileage Ev, but I wanted to give it a try since it has FSD. What do you think about this deal?
I regret not getting the Y performance, it was only 4,000 more expensive when I got my Long Range Y, bro! You should get paid by Tesla because I bought 2 Teslas because of your videos!! 😂
range shmange. i've had the M3P since late 2020 (early 2021 model). why even use that term 'range'? I mean you get into a car with 1/4 tank and you need 1/2 tank to get to dest, you need gas. Same with Tesla except the "gas station" may be 10-20 miles away. range anxiety will disappear as a concept once every gas station has high-speed charging.
@@yogimaster2654 it is a joke for the price of the vehicle i agree but im just merely notating that there are after market products that will significantly improve performance and ride comfort given if u are willing to spend that pretty penny
The Tesla service experience is a nightmare....I didn't believe it at first until my 2022 Model X Plaid has been out of service in the SC for 9 weeks now...
A model 3 performance is WAY faster than a 340i, or even an m3. Maybe the other features, yes, but the battery weight being at the lowest point in the vehicle really does make it handle a lot better than youd expect
But I find its looks to be really boring and of course the build quality is very low compared to other manufacturers. Couldn't they make the styling a little (a lot) more attractive? Maybe faster than an ICE but it is not as cool as a Supra or an M2
You've clearly never been in one. There's nothing better at it's price point. I had zero interest in Teslas prior to looking for something in it's market/price point.
Quick question. I just bought 2020 model 3 performance with FSD for $20k(after $4k used ev credit) at my local tesla dealership. Obviously, it has pretty high miles on it. About 90k miles. 1 private owner. No accident. I'm kinda scared of high mileage Ev, but I wanted to give it a try since it has FSD. What do you think about this deal?
The long range and Performance have a bit of a edge when it comes to the out of sight sound system, to me anyway one of the most important parts of the car.
Thank you for talking about handling! Everyone always talks about the amazing straight line acceleration but no one mentions how these cars handle!
I think one MAJOR difference you forgot to mention is the audio system as well… the M3P have a premium Audi system while the regular M3s don’t have the same system. And if I’m not mistaken the 2023 models also have a different system layout as well
Just picked up a 2020 from Tesla last week and can’t stop driving this thing!!
The M3P is unreal!! My 718 is now collecting dust 😅
Well done video. I think the car cost is CHEAP - when you factor in it doesn’t run on gas, amazing tech and UI. Holds 5 adults and like you said does 0-60 in 3.1, 1/4 in 11.6 and 162 top speed. No other car can do that for the $
Yes! Having the speed & acceleration at your disposal is much safer, but I don't hear it talked about enough. Even just getting through something like a roundabout, having that acceleration makes it much safer.
There's a significant difference between 3 seconds and 4+ seconds as it's very noticeable when talking how fast a car is. The M3P can clock in 2.98-3.00 seconds with a good launch and conditions. Slap on lighter wheels on the M3P and it'll yield better range on paper and in the real world, while improving on performance.
But only if you really, truly care. What %age of the population would notice that difference? And that’s OK, right? We all buy things for different reasons.
@@jeffpicken5057 , That's true; however, my point is that for someone buying a performance model, it's logical to assume that they are in it for performance + being able to get better efficiency with lighter 18s or 19s = best of both worlds. (Better range + performance.)
To your point, the majority should just buy the rwd, charge to 100% daily and call it a day. All three models have its place.
To add, the Uber 20s are terrible, heavy and a bad choice by tesla. I swapped mine out to forged 19s that weight 10lbs less and it's a night and day difference. I avg. 220-250 kw even with a heavy foot/pulls to 45-60 at times.
So I take it you've driven both? Thanks, that's the kind of insight I'm looking for (Tesla here didn't have Performance models for test driving). I see a lot of people say acceleration on all Tesla models is plenty fast enough, but it's never clear whether those people have actually tried both or are just happy with what they ended up with.
If you've never owned a performance ICE car the Model Y is an easy choice - if however you're a car enthusiast there is a big trade off when going to electric although there are perks as well. A simple breakdown:
Pros to going Electric:
- No more gas
- Less maintenance and less time spent at dealers
- Wake up every morning with a full tank (if you're able to charge at home)
- Instant acceleration
- Won't kill yourself if you leave the car running in the garage
Cons:
- Not as fun - though the instant acceleration is great to have, the loss of a visceral feeling whether provided by the sound or shifting will leave you somewhat bored. This is real, hence why Porsche is trying very hard to inject some sort of emotion into the Taycan and advertises it with the tag "Soul, electrified". Not to mention the old adage "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car", and the reality is acceleration is really great to have just to get you to a turn faster because that's where the fun lies.
- Handling - you feel the full weight of the Model Y - it's a porker - the Model 3 is what you want if handling and steering is something you value.
- Still not as easy to just hit the road and go on a long trip
- Cost/time spent supercharging when traveling
- Regarding the Long Range vs the Performance - the fact that they still share the same interior is a let down - make if feel special on the inside - seats, trim, steering wheel, SOMETHING.
My brief .02 cents on the matter after owning both Tesla's and performance vehicles for years.
Nice overview without being ICE haughty. Thanks.
@@jeffpicken5057 thanks, although a lot of my points have been made before I'm sure, thought it may help someone. I currently own both Y and a performance car so I hope I have a somewhat fair perspective.
This review is spot on. Nicely done man!
Thank you!
I've had my Model 3 Performance for almost 2 years now, and living in NY, I IMMEDIATELY removed the 20s and put 18s on. Potholes are a bitch here. I also went with the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 tires since the 20s were summers. I don't drive in snow all that much but the summers aren't good in the cold. You can actually see the red Brembos a lot easier with the design of my 18s.
didnt realize 18'' fits the P?
@@ZekeMagnumYes, of course they fit. But not from Tesla itself. Only specially made for Perf. Usually it is forged.
Having ordered a MYP 6 months ago and probably still 3 months away, I'm continuously watching reviews of performance versions as i dont have much else to do, this was likely the most relevant review in terms of valuable and useful information from a review of living with the car not only its features for someone who really enjoys driving
Glad you enjoyed it!
It's worth it , outstanding, great range and will beat just about anything on the road, love it
Yes! This is exactly why I love my M3P!!! For the turtles and dolphins... I smile for them every time I hit 60 in 3.1! 😅🤣
Very good review, I picked up my Model 3 performance three weeks ago and I love it
Quick question. I just bought 2020 model 3 performance with FSD for $20k(after $4k used ev credit) at my local tesla dealership. Obviously, it has pretty high miles on it. About 90k miles. 1 private owner. No accident. I'm kinda scared of high mileage Ev, but I wanted to give it a try since it has FSD. What do you think about this deal?
Originally had Standard RWD on order about 6 months ago when I wanted to trade up my Corolla, but the wait was 6 months. I sprung for the Perf and took delivery the same week. Didn't think I'd fall in love, but it's such a great car. If you can charge at home or work without hassle, these are fantastic daily drivers. I downsized wheels to Titan7 TS-5 18" and that helped with the rough ride. I think a used 2020 LR at low 40s is the best deal you can get right now. If you drive hundreds of miles at a time regularly and you don't have access to L2 charging, would probably get a M340i xDrive instead in this price point.
I love how people are saying the long range is a better buy.. buddy we aren’t buying the performance for a “bang for buck” LOL well worth it IMO. I love mine and would never change!
Congrats on 60K subscribers!
Thank you!
I was going to get a new truck but their just crazy expensive, I already have 2 trucks. I just stumbled upon a 2019 M3P and fell in love, I haven’t even test drove it yet 😂
Agree with every word! Starting in 2018 the M3P (no, not the BMW) is hands-down top performance for lowest $! And mom will def aprove taking her to the ball in this beast. Tire shredder!
I wanted to like the Model 3 performance but just couldn’t move from an ice vehicle just yet. I loved your M2 but the one I wanted the CS I could not get for a fair price. So I pivoted to a Cayman GTS manual and love it. If your ever in Northern California hit me up for a test drive. Congrats on hitting 60k subs!
My uncle live up there so I may take you up on that! Cayman GTS is an incredible choice!
For the used market the long range vs performance is around $2-4k difference. So if you’re factoring in acceleration boost it’s pretty even on price. Once the performance hits sub $25k they’re even closer because of the $4k used ev tax credit.
I’d say a performance with lightweight 18s will handle much better then a Long range due to having thicker sway bars/different dampeners lighter aftermarket wheels and slightly lower. Being able to accelerate quicker and to stop quicker/more consistently is a huge plus. I’d say it’s 100% worth the upgrade price on the used market for how much more you’re getting vs what you’re paying.
Quick question. I just bought 2020 model 3 performance with FSD for $20k(after $4k used ev credit) at my local tesla dealership. Obviously, it has pretty high miles on it. About 90k miles. 1 private owner. No accident. I'm kinda scared of high mileage Ev, but I wanted to give it a try since it has FSD. What do you think about this deal?
All excellent points. I have a '22 3P in blue /white and if they had offered the car with 18's at that time I most likely would've optioned mine that way. That said, I love the look of the uberturbine wheels. They are rather heavy though. I may "downgrade" to 18's later on.
I have the 2020 Model 3 performance and I love it. Although I do not plan to go to the track with it, I love the power, and look of it, the spoiler with smoke out 20 inch rims with the red Tesla brake. It makes the car different than most of the regular model 3 on the street. The best feeling is that I can pretty much beat any car on the street if I want to (except the plaid). Hellcats and Mustangs are my regular victims 😂
Even in my Model Y I love beating Mustangs off the line.
Hahaha I have a SR+ and I still piss off Mustang 5.0's with their 10 speeds, I can buy a ingenext and cuts 1.2 seconds off the 0-60 which I will be getting this week hopefully
There's been something proven on youtube that 60% of Tesla race videos against other cars are rigged or faked. If you ever see a Tesla lose to something that is slower then it, It has a good chance of being rigged as there's so many EV haters out there.
@@bslothed3211 What's an ingenext?
@@Superman-xr1oh Ingenext is actually a tune for the SR+ and LR (RWD) to shave off a second to the 0-100
Previously my 0-100km/h in my SR+ I was doing 5.4 now I’m doing 4.4 sec 0-100km/h, which is almost Long Range 0-100s LOL
It’s awesome if you have an sr+ look up ingenext
I would love the performance or the long range. But realistically I can comfortably afford the RWD base model. 267 or 213(80%) range isn’t horrible. If they can bump the range so it’s 267 at 80% then it would be a no brainer imo. But as it stands now the price gap is just too big. Like I could buy a base model and a nice used ice vehicle with the price difference.
As a retired school teacher, I went with the “poor man’s” Tesla, the 2021 SR+. I saved myself $10 large over the LR. $10,000.00.
Two years later, I still haven’t come close to spending that ten grand on travel and trips. Even my cross country trip from CA to KY (5,500 miles) put just a dent in that.
What did I give up? Nothing I’d complain about. I still get access to all the tech and the amazing supercharger system. I still get the same build quality (which for my car has been solid and reliable). I get all the OTA updates. AND I get to save the same turtles, dolphins, and elephants as the rest of the Tesla cult.
Biggest difference I’ve found so far: I saved myself ten thousand dollars!
I bought the SR+ and made the mistake to go on a test drive in the Performance. BIG MISTAKE! I was able to sell my SR+ with a very healthy profit and now I'm waiting for my Performance.
If you are happy don't do a test drive! Hahaha....
@@JohnSmith-oh9iv I had a week with a Performance when my SR+ was in the Tesla shop last December getting service and repair (the horn). I didn’t see $15,000+ difference. You do you and I’m happy you’re happy. For me, I’ll keep the $15 grand, all the same features of the Tesla environment that really matter, and stay happy.
Safe drives!
At the end of the day, no matter which Tesla you can’t go wrong!
Nice
@@ezpoppy55 Not sure if this happened to you, but the Tesla loaners I’ve been given have been performance limited.
For your info dual motor does not signify that it’s performance because long rage model 3 also indicates dual motor
With performance in the back should say performance
I love my 3 LR but I definitely have envy of the performance 0-60. However, my new hubcaps makes mine look like a performance. Shoutout to you for that recommendation
Just a reminder: Model 3 RWD gets more miles/kwh than LR, and with LFP pack chargeable to 100%, everyday range is comparable to LR limited to 80%. RWD is a little slower, but 5.8s to 60 beats some Corvettes of the past…
which hubcaps?
@@NMEofdaST8 Uberturbines from Aroham
@@bowie4418Big deal, all he needs to do is add the uberturbines and the wing 😂
The consensus from reviewers and owners always seems to be to go for range when choosing, but I go >270 miles in a day extremely rarely, while I accelerate fast and turn corners nearly every single day. Am I missing anything?
Here in Europe and also in some other places, there are competitions also on gravel roads. it can be called a rally
I'll skip a happy hour this Thursday and save that $10 so that I can instead donate to this good cause! Thank you Gjeebs for inspiring!
I hate overstyled “performance” cars. Love the performance 3’s look just the way it is.
Hi what do you prefer your model y or the model 3. I can’t decide what I like better ??
I am planning to get a 2020 Model 3 performance with 51000 miles for about $21,000，sounds like a good deal？
sounds solid!
I just bought a 2019 Model 3 Performance for $41k with only 18k miles with no accidents. Prices have dropped a lot for Model 3 P’s ! Definitely worth it
Yea prices are falling hard on cars right now and that's such a good value for the model 3 performance
There are problems with the rims being damaged, for example when people have driven over potholes. I've heard that from others on RUclips
Get lightweight 18s and you’re on par with a LR with better acceleration on braking power/consistency.
love my m3p! highly recommend! looks sexy, drives amazing.
I own the 2022 MYP in Red. Stands me up fully at attention every time I drive it. If you get my drift. ;)
Haha - track mode. Nice
Now sitting way too high - my 22 came like a 4x4 / I lowered and added spacers immediately
I believe the newer MP3 no longer have a lower stance/suspension.
Hey, don't forget that in a recent endurance run on a snowy mountain road, the Chevy Bolt (costing $20,000 less) beat out the Tesla!
Don’t forget a better sound system.
I have the 2021 M3 long range (and love it ) however wish I had those red calipers and extra acceleration
acceleration boost for 2k, paint calipers for 200 bucks or diy.
My 2023 M3P is very smooth and quiet. Zero rattles or creaks while driving on any type of surface. I just recently rode in a 2022 Model S Plaid and it was rattling and creaking like crazy even at low speed on good roads so my M3P felt more premium than that, believe it or not. I also noticed when looking at a 2021 M3P at carmax the spoiler had that issue of not sitting right by mine was absolutely perfect. I even pushed on it to try to get it to move and it wouldn’t. The interior fit and finish is flawless too. No wide panel gaps whatsoever, even the taillights were aligned perfectly. So I believe Tesla has improved immensely with their quality. People are going to be running out of things to joke about based on what I’m seeing with their newer models.
Well said
How much stiffer is the M3P suspension itself? I plan to buy an M3P and fit 18" wheels.
If you put 18’s on it you will be a lot better off
The screens are updated. They are brighter for example.
As far as road noise is concerned, is there a tire with a compound to help with a quieter cabin? I'm so used to road noise in my Grand Caravan, that I probably wouldn't notice the difference, maybe even improve with a car like this.
I went for a LR due to the more comfortable tire/suspension (crappy roads here) however the car is too fast to be controllable with absolute confidence. Wishing I had gotten the Performance for stopping and turning. With the limitations of control, I would not consider buying the software “Boost” on my LR.
Had mine since June. I’ve just past 20000km. I damaged 2 of the rims on a pothole like the 4th or 5th day I had the car. I’ve since put 18s on and the ride is so much better. I would honestly say it is too fast there is almost nowhere I can fully send it without risking a license suspension in a couple of seconds. My only real complaint is how bad the build is. So many rattles/creeks and now I’m getting wind noise from the passenger doors/seals. There are loose trim bits in the interior. I’d definitely get another Ev but it won’t be another Tesla. Anyhow unless you are going to race or something I’d say save your money and buy the Standard or Long range.
Why do people want a stiffer/lower suspension and lower profile wheels for the street. It makes no sense to me. Less grip and a less comfortable ride.
hei great video whats the comfort really like against your model y thanks
Personally I won’t ever buy the “sport” trim of a car again, not worth the increased tire cost and replacement, ride harshness, or clearance issues getting into Atlanta driveways. Been there and done that already with an A4 and C350.
So I agree with gjeebs on getting the AWD Long Range version of the Model 3 or any other EV.
Crazy they r 53k now. Might order one.
I know and for that performance you can't beat it
What suspension do you recommend for a 2022 model 3 rwd? The ride quality for the front is fine, but in the back it turns into a roller coaster. In the back it’s bumpy, firm, and not comfortable. I saw you put the luxury suspension on your model y. Is that good?
Unplugged, ohlins, mountain pass performance
@@Gjeebs These suspension are they comfortable in the back?
you are a funny guy, thanks for the video!
$60k? More like $70k, with destination, sales tax, and any paint color upgrade or white interior!
Indeed
Right but an RS3 starts now at $62k. To get the same tech it’s $72k before TT&L. That’s true of any car..
Get a used M3P for under $45k . They are a bargain now
Ryan Reynolds of car reviews
Subtle changes = more profit for shareholders
Invest in shares of TSLA, not the vehicles. YoY returns prove this out.
Buy a used Tesla with your returns.
Great and honest review. I do wish Tesla would evolve their shapes a bit more. The Model Y in particularly is looking very dated, and the rear lights on both the 3 and the Y look dated. Small adjustments to both could still keep the value but also improve how they look.
It just seems kind of odd to test a 2021 and say that Tesla needs to improve fit and finish and noise when, from what I’ve seen, they already have. 2023 models are out now and they are definitely much improved. 2021’s were being built in 2020-2021 which was during the pandemic. Lots of manufactures were having quality control issues. Tesla seems to have sorted most of these at this point tho.
Perfect video. I’ve been having this internal debate lately.
For me the matrix led headlights, slightly lower, bigger brakes, and most of all track mode was worth it in mid 21 when I bought it. I put 18 inch wheels with 4s tires. Its as efficient and comfortable as a LR.
I think the 2023 model 3 perf suspension is too squishy. I would like it to be a lot stiffer. its a performance car not made for comfort tbh.
I have been wanting to get a Tesla. My lease for my Acura ends in about a year but I’ve already started shopping around. Is the build quality on Tesla as bad as I’ve read from Car and Driver?
It's worth it now with the huge price cut! Thank you Elon! We love you!
buy the long range with boost. they did a comparison on carwow, it actually beats the performance in a roll race
carwow just does stuff like that for views and comments. It is not faster than an M3P
The subtle/lack of differences in the performance isn't interesting, it's shitty. The fact that they don't even give you some performance seats is ridiculous.
Performance seats ? 🤣
@@Johnny2Feathers and premium air.
@@Johnny2Feathers yes, like Recaro seats
I agree it would be cool if those were options
@@megamorph77 unnecessary.
If you don't go to the track it's not worth it. The long range has always been a much better buy.
And just get the acceleration boost and you’re practically even with a performance from a roll
@@Johnny2Feathers getting the boost soon.
People aren't buying performance cause it's a good buy
Right. We aren’t looking for a better buy…we just want the faster and quicker one with the better wheels and breaks. We aren’t looking for budget ev
@@Joeblk10 what? Lol
Entered the drawing. Thanks!
Lol… somehow Gjeebs I think you and I did not buy it to save the turtles, the dolphins, and the elephants. No back to that 0-60 in 3.1 seconds thing…
lol yea im concerned about speed
With the latest price cut and the federal credit I'm about to trade my 2018 MR for a 2023 Performance.
Quick question. I just bought 2020 model 3 performance with FSD for $20k(after $4k used ev credit) at my local tesla dealership. Obviously, it has pretty high miles on it. About 90k miles. 1 private owner. No accident. I'm kinda scared of high mileage Ev, but I wanted to give it a try since it has FSD. What do you think about this deal?
When this goes to giga casting and 4680, I'm trading my 2018
the 3 series analogy is wrong, the base does not look like that
Saving the planet excuse is what you say when people ask why you spent so much.. but everyone knows the real reason.
I regret not getting the Y performance, it was only 4,000 more expensive when I got my Long Range Y, bro! You should get paid by Tesla because I bought 2 Teslas because of your videos!! 😂
hahaha I'm sorry!
range shmange. i've had the M3P since late 2020 (early 2021 model). why even use that term 'range'? I mean you get into a car with 1/4 tank and you need 1/2 tank to get to dest, you need gas. Same with Tesla except the "gas station" may be 10-20 miles away. range anxiety will disappear as a concept once every gas station has high-speed charging.
Hair looks great again❤
To have M3P able to have 18" wheels is like BMW M3 offer a 330i wheels 18" wheels.
Loved how he compared McLaren with Tesla *Build quality
Nice
2:08 oof curbrash
put some 275s in the back. (save on curb rash)
Or just don't hit curbs
@@Gjeebs say that to your rear wheel😂😂😂
@@patrickbrunet3155 It's a rental it's not mine
WOW
It’d be worth it with an active suspension and a two speed tranny.
Tesla suspension sucks, for a car that cost $63,000 you think the suspension would be like or similar to a bmw M2 or audi RS3.
Unplugged performance has the solution to fix that suspension. FYI its better then M3's suspension
I like Mountain pass better but UP FUCAs are untouchable
No tesla needs to put a better suspension, what they have right now is a joke.
@@yogimaster2654 it is a joke for the price of the vehicle i agree but im just merely notating that there are after market products that will significantly improve performance and ride comfort given if u are willing to spend that pretty penny
Yeah KW suspension would be nice🙂
The Tesla service experience is a nightmare....I didn't believe it at first until my 2022 Model X Plaid has been out of service in the SC for 9 weeks now...
How about for the model y
Like is a model y worth it?
@@Gjeebs performance vs lr
I would say the performance version is more comparable to the m340i and the regular 3 series, not the m3.
A model 3 performance is WAY faster than a 340i, or even an m3. Maybe the other features, yes, but the battery weight being at the lowest point in the vehicle really does make it handle a lot better than youd expect
Y’all see his curb rash on those rims? 😅
It's not my car lol
Tell us what the sign said😂
It’s 2023 almost just get 2023
But I find its looks to be really boring and of course the build quality is very low compared to other manufacturers. Couldn't they make the styling a little (a lot) more attractive? Maybe faster than an ICE but it is not as cool as a Supra or an M2
I like the model 3 but I won’t buy one until they change the body style. Ridiculous to me that a 2016 looks just like a 2023.
they didn't even make 2016's.
Tesla you’re paying for a battery and the software. The car is cheap as hell and quality sucks. Not a luxury car. Still cool though
You've clearly never been in one. There's nothing better at it's price point. I had zero interest in Teslas prior to looking for something in it's market/price point.
😮😮😮
60k!
Imagine not getting the performance… 😂😂😂😂😂
Today these cars are dirt cheap just for a year old..
Quick question. I just bought 2020 model 3 performance with FSD for $20k(after $4k used ev credit) at my local tesla dealership. Obviously, it has pretty high miles on it. About 90k miles. 1 private owner. No accident. I'm kinda scared of high mileage Ev, but I wanted to give it a try since it has FSD. What do you think about this deal?
Prices are dropping like a rock because there are so many better options, with real interiors.
BEWARE, I think his channel has been hijacked. He sent me a message asking me to message him on telegram to win a prize. The “prize” was … a Kia.
It's not my account it's a duplicate. Just report them
wow the owner destroyed that thing, LOL
my first thought as well lol