It would be great to see a video of a map of the HSR Route and information of the current status. As an I-5 road warrior veteran (and sick of it), I'm looking forward to using it. I've ridden HSR all over the world, China, Korea, Japan, France, Germany, etc. Those that oppose this progress have never used this sort of service. FYI, I feel the KTX in Korea can provide the best comparison to the benefits for California. For them, about 15 years ago it was a GDP escalation of about $100 Billion per year.
I agree but what the South Koreans did was ask the French for their High Speed Line and what California actually needs it's a Japanese system because it actually goes over the San Andreas Fault which would have required the high-speed line to have Japanese style sensors to stop the train in an earthquake
@@LucidStew That is typical of all sorts of transportation infrastructure construction. Once bridges and tunnels are done, the actual track and grading goes at a pretty reasonable pace.
Serious questions: Will any of us live long enough to be able to travel high speed rail between Los Angeles and San Francisco? Is there enough money to complete this, or will we just end up with an unlinked segment to nowhere in the Central Valley before the money runs out? I'm also not for giving high speed rail funds to BART, Caltrain and Los Angeles Metro for their rail projects. They have their own funds. Last I checked 2% of Los Angeles County's sales tax goes toward transit. Limited high speed rail funds shouldn't be used up on local transit needs.
Currently they have something like $12.6 billion secured, which is probably just enough to finish the section from Madera to Shafter. They also have about $4 billion that they're due to collect from cap and trade through 2030. They also expect to be able to finance future cap and trade receipts through 2050 for an additional $4 to 11 billion. Assuming the high end, this may be enough to complete the line from 4th st. & King in S.F. to the Bakersfield station. However, that assumes no delays or cost overruns, which is the direct opposite of how the project has been progressing. The most expensive section is from Bakersfield to Anaheim, which should cost in the range of $50-60 billion, and they currently have no money for that. The most likely scenario at the moment is that there will be a truly high speed train running from Madera(possibly Merced) to Bakersfield, and then a higher speed train(~110-125mph) from Gilroy to San Francisco, and that the two will not connect due to the expense of the required tunnels under the Pacheco Pass. Assuming the proposition to defund the whole thing doesnt make the ballot or gets defeated, that fairly likely scenario is supposed to be operational by 2027 or so. There is also the issue that a federal audit may end up pulling $3 billion in funding, which would pretty much kill a completed Silicon Valley to Central Valley line dead. Of course with an ultra-liberal legislature and governor, it could end up being funded directly by the state, who knows?
I would expect to see risers or anchor points for all of the poles/frames that will hold the overhead wires. Does this mean a ton of additional, costly, "re-work" to add them later?
They're taking oversight and control back into the authority instead of subcontracting it out, so there should be some more direct action in 2019. It would be nice to be able to cut down on excess bureaucracy.
Getting chewed out by the bipartisan Assembly Transportation Committee and having the committee chair call for the CA HSR Authority CEO's resignation didn't make the highlights?
Millions of Californians living in tents and cars and Jerry decides it's more important to build a train that very few will ride and will ride very infrequently.
High speed = speed abyss I live in Europe and of course the high speed is very fast as transport, but it costs extremely expensive to maintain, ticket prices have never stopped increasing to only pay the service and maintenance for rails, trains, high-speed network etc... , they require a lot of investment to guarantee the safety of the passengers
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For those of you saying that this high speed rail project has gone off the rails, or anything like that, at least be grateful that the government is undertaking this project AT ALL. Look at the rest of this nation (except for the NE). Republicans will likely not take on these kinds of project because they are “too expensive”. If there seems to be a need or want for regular or high speed rail, go through with it.
Lucid Stew Costs per mi for projects in CA: SF Central Subway: $920m/mi LA Regional connector: $920m/mi LA purple line phase 1-2: $800m/mi Your est. for this hsr proj: $250m/mi Doesn’t seem so bad now, does it?
13 times cheaper actually. France: $15 million per mile. California: 200 million per mile. Really pathetic. And now they spend of money and say "hey look at how much we already have built and how much money we have used, it would be a shame if it wasn't completed" getting them more money to build their overpriced railway.
Well the federal gas tax hasn't been raised in almost a quarter century... and it's not adjusted for inflation. That's why the Federal Reserve rainy day fund was raided to keep the highway trust fund funded. Do *you* think the highway subsidy should be even larger?
All this effort just so a pitifully small # of worker bees can commute to SF or LA from the central valley. Brilliant. Housing prices at extortion levels will compel every seat to be occupied by a commuter who min/maxes a home in B.F.E. Fresno with a job in downtown.
I believe NYC Transit commuter trains are mostly Electric all of Chicago CTA rail is electric and 20% of Metra commuter lines are electric also the rest diesel train passenger transport is the most efficient and economical an environmental friendly transport even diesel too
Why is it that this country sucks when it comes to building projects like this while other countries go full speed ahead with seemingly no funding issues
Cause they typically plan those projects on a federal level and are running a longterm strategy with investment in high speed train being a priority across parties.
How many miles so far how much. This looks like total bs to me. Nothing of real value. I see disaster ahead! Why was it started in the middle instaed of the two ends so that raisl could be used for material delivery? Tangier to Casablanca has been completed. East Africa has been completed, Should we have French and Chnese join us on ths one? Who is Brian Smith and what is in his resume? Del Mar double tracking just reported 50 million for one mile! This is intolerable!
Kirk Linn-DeGrassi that and some national security insecurities with the politicians. The CRRC is making new subway cars for Boston and Chicago. So they are somewhat involved.
You can cut a factor of 10 off the cost of high speed rail if you reduce material consumption by that amount or greater. It can be achieved by utilizing the String Rail Transport system developed by SkyWay Technologies Co. which enables high-speed rail overpasses which can carry several times their own weight. The same lightweight, affordable technology can also be applied to cover the needs of local urban area transit, providing a low-cost alternative to light rail with the same or greater passenger capacity.
You ask why start it in the middle? Because you don't go 220mph out of the station. Unless you want to try and kill everyone on board. At least in the centre your already moving. Hence Cal train. It's to improve the train speed out of San Francisco. So that they can go from a decent blended system to the already built high speed, then back to blended as they enter Los Angeles. Once that's in place a dedicated line for high speed to both main cities can be built. This is how the rest of the world has done it. If we flip it on its head I could ask why don't we all just build motorways to our front doors? You just don't. It's silly.
Very few people here seem to know that the man who pushed this project into actual construction is now saying the whole enterprise is near criminal. When the creator of an idea hates it, that should give some gears turning!
He wanted a fully separated shinkansen, but the budget only allowed a blended TGV. Like most people in politics these days he wants everything up front and no back-talk from this "reality" thing. And even with all the propaganda and attacks since the vote was taken it still has more than 50% support form the voters.
Um...it's a lot more complicated than that. Europe is simply better suited for high speed rail in every way...China is not bound by the rules of capitalism (yet) and can run these at a loss. Australia isn't suited to high speed rail (flying is much cheaper overall) just like the US. Virgin rail USA will end up being psuedo high speed rail (90 mph) and California's project won't be able to compete with Southwest Airlines and will either have wildly expensive tickets, or be subsidized by taxpayers. High speed rail is economically unviable in Canada as well.
@@mrlopez5009 American Aviation and roads are highly subsidised oh my God American military subsidizes oil countries with hundreds of billions of dollars a year ...the northeast of America has the same density as Europe
@@mikelehman590 "the northeast has the same density as Europe"... not exactly...Amsterdam and it's suburbs END...there are gaps between Amsterdam and Brussels and Rotterdam... between Trenton and the middle of Connecticut there are no gaps. Between Southwest Maine and Rhode Island there are no gaps. And super high density peters out between Newark and West Orange. In Europe London is as dense as Paris or Liverpool or Nice and none can be described as a mega region in the same sense as Boston New York Philadelphia Baltimore Washington...or Los Angels San Bernardino Orange County are... the separation between cities makes rail rights much easier to acquire. As far as your claim of US government subsidies of oil and airlines, it doesn't happen. US aviation is paid for by the airlines, private plane owners, passengers, people who ship using services like FedEx. In Las Vegas the department of aviation runs casinos in the airport and fund with gambling losses. The passengers are taxed for air traffic control and security most major capital improvements are financed with bonds and paid off with airline leases of the facilities. As far as the US military enforcement of the US Petro dollar goes, that is something we have to do. As far as the military making other countries "business friendly", well that's not just oil (think, bananas, timber, coffee, drugs)
@@mrlopez5009 75% of oil use is Transportation mostly Aviation trucks and cars... And Aviation is completely oil dependent and always will be and is the biggest polluter of all these three
All I got to say is move over farmers, we are seeing California at it's best in educateing the nation of the United States. This will bring up the cost of living, but also educated job's..... California is moving in the future.
I think reality might have a bit more to say about that... "75% of black California boys don’t meet state reading standards" www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/05/75-of-black-california-boys-dont-meet-state-reading-standards/
The continued spiral of costs related to this project are troubling. The project is now slated to cost more than twice what was sold to the taxpayers in 2008, has been scaled back to something smaller than was originally proposed, is WAY behind schedule, has not been able to show projected ridership that would cover it's M and O costs, and is likely going to get more expensive as the "difficult" parts of the system are designed. Use the money for regional rail and highway repair and construction. This continues to look like a government project gone "off the rails".
Maybe if opponents of the project didn't sue, obstruct, and nerf various stages of the project it wouldn't be increasingly expensive. Majority of cost overruns are attributed to frivolous CEQA lawsuits and nuisanced eminent domain proceedings.
@Mike Babbich still a waste money something that no body wanted and now that it's gone except for the central valley some we dont have to worry about for a while
If anyone can name me more than 3 high speed railway lines in the world that covers the construction costs, operating costs and maintanance costs, I will pay you 100 dollars. I will give you the first 3 lines to start with: Paris Lyon, Tokkaido Shinkansen (Tokyo Osaka) and Sinyo Shinkansen (actually, they break even.).
Railways administered by governments are not required to make profits. Privately held railroads in the US like CSX are beholden to their shareholders, but it is relatively easy for them to make money as they are hauling freight, not people. The intent of rail service being sponsored by governments is to guarantee a service to the public, as left to the free market there would be no service and the airlines(who are HEAVILY subsidized in the US-taxpayers give money to their shareholders basically) would be incentivized to screw the public as hard as possible. I get where you are coming from in your question, but I would recommend you examine countries that don't subsidize anything for the public to use and see what their lives are like first. It's not good.
@@starventure If it does not make money, it does not make sense to build it. Now the tax payer has to pay large sums of money each year, which could also have been spend on education or healthcare. If there would be no market without the government, this means that people do not want this service given the costs associated with it and hence wise you should not build it. You should only build HSR when there is an economic case for it. The airlines are not heavily subsidized, a very marginal percentage of their costs is subsidized (probably less than 3%), unlike railway companies, where often more than 50 or 60% of the costs is subsidized. Countries that do not subsidize anything for the public (or at least, try to minimize the amount of subsidies they spend) often have the highest standards of living. I live in the Netherlands, where massive subsidies are provided by the government. Our houses are twice as small as in the USA. Our purchasing power is significantly smaller than purchasing power in the USA. Our cars are much smaller. Yes we have more public transport, but it is heavily subsidized and most people use the car anyways...
Roads and airports are a big waste of money check out all their costs all the costs plus all the expensive Uber expensive oil wars for cars and airplanes
@@mikelehman590 Eh, roads and airports actually pay for their costs. People are willing to pay for using roads and airports. People are not willing to pay for the full costs of high speed rail. High speed rail is therefore a waste of money. p.s. the construction of high speed rail consumes incredible amounts of fossile fuels.
Building a bullet train line 500 miles or so does not use any more energy than a big fancy Super Highway that America built 50,000 miles of or probably more of
It would be great to see a video of a map of the HSR Route and information of the current status. As an I-5 road warrior veteran (and sick of it), I'm looking forward to using it. I've ridden HSR all over the world, China, Korea, Japan, France, Germany, etc. Those that oppose this progress have never used this sort of service. FYI, I feel the KTX in Korea can provide the best comparison to the benefits for California. For them, about 15 years ago it was a GDP escalation of about $100 Billion per year.
I agree but what the South Koreans did was ask the French for their High Speed Line and what California actually needs it's a Japanese system because it actually goes over the San Andreas Fault which would have required the high-speed line to have Japanese style sensors to stop the train in an earthquake
They're basically working on grade separation structures in the Fresno area. They haven't done much else.
@@LucidStew That is typical of all sorts of transportation infrastructure construction. Once bridges and tunnels are done, the actual track and grading goes at a pretty reasonable pace.
@@LoydChampion I didn't intimate that it was atypical. You said it would be great to see a map with status. That's the map, and the status.
Did u check the HSR website? I'm sure they have route proposals there
BigUps for guts G Brown. We have been "bout about it" for almost 30 years now! Love to see: Makes me think about "Sea to Shinning Sea."
So excited to see this amazing project being built! I travel on CA-99 a lot and have seen the progress.
Zephyr Tiger It’s never going to happen.
1 year later. A lot of progress made! #Iwillride
me as well!
Serious questions: Will any of us live long enough to be able to travel high speed rail between Los Angeles and San Francisco? Is there enough money to complete this, or will we just end up with an unlinked segment to nowhere in the Central Valley before the money runs out? I'm also not for giving high speed rail funds to BART, Caltrain and Los Angeles Metro for their rail projects. They have their own funds. Last I checked 2% of Los Angeles County's sales tax goes toward transit. Limited high speed rail funds shouldn't be used up on local transit needs.
Currently they have something like $12.6 billion secured, which is probably just enough to finish the section from Madera to Shafter. They also have about $4 billion that they're due to collect from cap and trade through 2030. They also expect to be able to finance future cap and trade receipts through 2050 for an additional $4 to 11 billion. Assuming the high end, this may be enough to complete the line from 4th st. & King in S.F. to the Bakersfield station. However, that assumes no delays or cost overruns, which is the direct opposite of how the project has been progressing. The most expensive section is from Bakersfield to Anaheim, which should cost in the range of $50-60 billion, and they currently have no money for that. The most likely scenario at the moment is that there will be a truly high speed train running from Madera(possibly Merced) to Bakersfield, and then a higher speed train(~110-125mph) from Gilroy to San Francisco, and that the two will not connect due to the expense of the required tunnels under the Pacheco Pass. Assuming the proposition to defund the whole thing doesnt make the ballot or gets defeated, that fairly likely scenario is supposed to be operational by 2027 or so. There is also the issue that a federal audit may end up pulling $3 billion in funding, which would pretty much kill a completed Silicon Valley to Central Valley line dead. Of course with an ultra-liberal legislature and governor, it could end up being funded directly by the state, who knows?
Lucid Stew Cap and Trade? Are you serious?
That’s just legalized theft from hard working taxpayers.
You must be a liberal.
I live in Washington state and I feel jealous!
It's not finished yet. Anything can happen while in process. Feel Jealous when it's done.
I would expect to see risers or anchor points for all of the poles/frames that will hold the overhead wires. Does this mean a ton of additional, costly, "re-work" to add them later?
Congratulations from China!
Oh that's JUST what we need lol
Yea we're freaking thrilled you approve.
Thank you! China knows how important HSR is. Congratulations on your system too!
Congratulations from Italy...
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fantastic.
Mfbsmd sifsai as a person watching this take shape from the Midwest, I am a bit jealous.
Now, if they could just pick up the pace!
Julian Siminski and cut down on what? Quality assurance? I don’t think a lot of ppl would feel safe if this thing was rushed and something went wrong.
They're taking oversight and control back into the authority instead of subcontracting it out, so there should be some more direct action in 2019. It would be nice to be able to cut down on excess bureaucracy.
@@JustClaude13 I agree. It's all this red tape that is delaying a rail line we should have completed already.
Getting chewed out by the bipartisan Assembly Transportation Committee and having the committee chair call for the CA HSR Authority CEO's resignation didn't make the highlights?
Millions of Californians living in tents and cars and Jerry decides it's more important to build a train that very few will ride and will ride very infrequently.
High speed = speed abyss
I live in Europe and of course the high speed is very fast as transport, but it costs extremely expensive to maintain, ticket prices have never stopped increasing to only pay the service and maintenance for rails, trains, high-speed network etc...
, they require a lot of investment to guarantee the safety of the passengers
@@ismaeltomoki8302 And airports do not?
Let's get hyped for this product by singing a comment chain song (This is for those who know this play) EVERYONE!:
It's mommas and poppas!
Sustainable electric bullet trains are simply great and it gets us off our oil addictions and pollutions problems
Where's all the money CA?!?!?!?!
U all know the project was canceled right?
No wonder California should run as a special administrative country to US. Just like Hong Kong to China.
Interesting, I never really looked at it that way, I think California is really similar to Hong Kong.
hurry up, guys.
I just wanted to say to Jesus loves you very much and died on the cross of Calvary for you. You can accept Jesus as your savior anytime you want. As the old saying goes he is only a prayer away. God bless you.
Build the ncbt Chicago New York bullet train
For those of you saying that this high speed rail project has gone off the rails, or anything like that, at least be grateful that the government is undertaking this project AT ALL. Look at the rest of this nation (except for the NE). Republicans will likely not take on these kinds of project because they are “too expensive”. If there seems to be a need or want for regular or high speed rail, go through with it.
Does $100 billion seem like a bargain to you for 400 miles of sometimes high speed rail?
Lucid Stew
Costs per mi for projects in CA:
SF Central Subway: $920m/mi
LA Regional connector: $920m/mi
LA purple line phase 1-2: $800m/mi
Your est. for this hsr proj: $250m/mi
Doesn’t seem so bad now, does it?
@@yaric2274 Yeah, sounds terrible since you're comparing it to subways.
Other countries like France build high speed rail at higher quality than California at 4.5x less cost
13 times cheaper actually. France: $15 million per mile. California: 200 million per mile.
Really pathetic. And now they spend of money and say "hey look at how much we already have built and how much money we have used, it would be a shame if it wasn't completed" getting them more money to build their overpriced railway.
I really wish that private enterprise would get involved in this!
They know a bad investment when they see one.....
hm electric trains no polute
Depend where ELECTRICITY comes from. It can be mixture of power plants- coal, oil gas, atomic, wind and solar.
when is the next gas tax going to come about
Well the federal gas tax hasn't been raised in almost a quarter century... and it's not adjusted for inflation. That's why the Federal Reserve rainy day fund was raided to keep the highway trust fund funded. Do *you* think the highway subsidy should be even larger?
All this effort just so a pitifully small # of worker bees can commute to SF or LA from the central valley. Brilliant. Housing prices at extortion levels will compel every seat to be occupied by a commuter who min/maxes a home in B.F.E. Fresno with a job in downtown.
it's just a way to grab the land for now and grease many pockets.
It's the gold beneath it all which make an appearance some day.
I believe NYC Transit commuter trains are mostly Electric all of Chicago CTA rail is electric and 20% of Metra commuter lines are electric also the rest diesel train passenger transport is the most efficient and economical an environmental friendly transport even diesel too
We can do without the annoying background music. We want to listen to the narrator.
Why is it that this country sucks when it comes to building projects like this while other countries go full speed ahead with seemingly no funding issues
Cause they typically plan those projects on a federal level and are running a longterm strategy with investment in high speed train being a priority across parties.
How many miles so far how much. This looks like total bs to me. Nothing of real value. I see disaster ahead! Why was it started in the middle instaed of the two ends so that raisl could be used for material delivery? Tangier to Casablanca has been completed. East Africa has been completed, Should we have French and Chnese join us on ths one? Who is Brian Smith and what is in his resume? Del Mar double tracking just reported 50 million for one mile! This is intolerable!
I don't think they're planning to lay track until 2022. Everything that has been constructed can be seen on this channel.
And as for why the Chinese have not been involved is simple. Federal law prohibits it.
Kirk Linn-DeGrassi that and some national security insecurities with the politicians. The CRRC is making new subway cars for Boston and Chicago. So they are somewhat involved.
You can cut a factor of 10 off the cost of high speed rail if you reduce material consumption by that amount or greater. It can be achieved by utilizing the String Rail Transport system developed by SkyWay Technologies Co. which enables high-speed rail overpasses which can carry several times their own weight. The same lightweight, affordable technology can also be applied to cover the needs of local urban area transit, providing a low-cost alternative to light rail with the same or greater passenger capacity.
You ask why start it in the middle?
Because you don't go 220mph out of the station. Unless you want to try and kill everyone on board. At least in the centre your already moving. Hence Cal train. It's to improve the train speed out of San Francisco. So that they can go from a decent blended system to the already built high speed, then back to blended as they enter Los Angeles. Once that's in place a dedicated line for high speed to both main cities can be built. This is how the rest of the world has done it. If we flip it on its head I could ask why don't we all just build motorways to our front doors? You just don't. It's silly.
Conservatards. If you remove ALL subsidies, including road and air, rail is cheaper.
myphonyaccount Liberals are mentally ill. You all hate this country with a passion.
Always love spending other people’s money.
@@whiteclifffl No, we are not the people that try to overturn a democratically held election
@@Sedna063 Do you mean like what you have been doing for the past FOUR years?
@@whiteclifffl Excuse me, did we ask all courts to overturn elections, did we call state legislators to ignore the vote?
Waste
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Money
Very few people here seem to know that the man who pushed this project into actual construction is now saying the whole enterprise is near criminal. When the creator of an idea hates it, that should give some gears turning!
He wanted a fully separated shinkansen, but the budget only allowed a blended TGV. Like most people in politics these days he wants everything up front and no back-talk from this "reality" thing.
And even with all the propaganda and attacks since the vote was taken it still has more than 50% support form the voters.
Its about time to remove the wooden layers with iron nails. see Europe how modern.laern from us in Europe.
All great modern cities and countries have bullet train systems around the world America is bound to its oil jet fuel and gasoline addictions
Um...it's a lot more complicated than that. Europe is simply better suited for high speed rail in every way...China is not bound by the rules of capitalism (yet) and can run these at a loss.
Australia isn't suited to high speed rail (flying is much cheaper overall) just like the US. Virgin rail USA will end up being psuedo high speed rail (90 mph) and California's project won't be able to compete with Southwest
Airlines and will either have wildly expensive tickets, or be subsidized by taxpayers. High speed rail is economically unviable in Canada as well.
@@mrlopez5009 American Aviation and roads are highly subsidised oh my God American military subsidizes oil countries with hundreds of billions of dollars a year ...the northeast of America has the same density as Europe
@@mikelehman590 "the northeast has the same density as Europe"... not exactly...Amsterdam and it's suburbs END...there are gaps between Amsterdam and Brussels and Rotterdam... between Trenton and the middle of Connecticut there are no gaps. Between Southwest Maine and Rhode Island there are no gaps. And super high density peters out between Newark and West Orange. In Europe London is as dense as Paris or Liverpool or Nice and none can be described as a mega region in the same sense as Boston New York Philadelphia Baltimore Washington...or Los Angels San Bernardino Orange County are... the separation between cities makes rail rights much easier to acquire.
As far as your claim of US government subsidies of oil and airlines, it doesn't happen. US aviation is paid for by the airlines, private plane owners, passengers, people who ship using services like FedEx. In Las Vegas the department of aviation runs casinos in the airport and fund with gambling losses.
The passengers are taxed for air traffic control and security most major capital improvements are financed with bonds and paid off with airline leases of the facilities.
As far as the US military enforcement of the US Petro dollar goes, that is something we have to do. As far as the military making other countries "business friendly", well that's not just oil (think, bananas, timber, coffee, drugs)
@@mrlopez5009 what are you talkin about roads aviation and airports are highly subsidised an aviation is a huge polluter
@@mrlopez5009 75% of oil use is Transportation mostly Aviation trucks and cars... And Aviation is completely oil dependent and always will be and is the biggest polluter of all these three
All I got to say is move over farmers, we are seeing California at it's best in educateing the nation of the United States. This will bring up the cost of living, but also educated job's..... California is moving in the future.
I think reality might have a bit more to say about that...
"75% of black California boys don’t meet state reading standards"
www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/05/75-of-black-california-boys-dont-meet-state-reading-standards/
Can NYC get a high speed subway system?
Propaganda for an idiotic boondoggle
The continued spiral of costs related to this project are troubling. The project is now slated to cost more than twice what was sold to the taxpayers in 2008, has been scaled back to something smaller than was originally proposed, is WAY behind schedule, has not been able to show projected ridership that would cover it's M and O costs, and is likely going to get more expensive as the "difficult" parts of the system are designed. Use the money for regional rail and highway repair and construction. This continues to look like a government project gone "off the rails".
Maybe if opponents of the project didn't sue, obstruct, and nerf various stages of the project it wouldn't be increasingly expensive. Majority of cost overruns are attributed to frivolous CEQA lawsuits and nuisanced eminent domain proceedings.
Don’t forget that the Shinkansen was twice its budget when it was completed. And they were recovering from a war.
Try three times as much, although it's actually larger in scope than originally planned, which is a big part of the explosion in expense.
Lucid Stew but hey look at the payoff for Japan.
Lucid Stew I was referring to the initial Tokyo - Osaka route.
I want HSR as envisioned by Gov. Brown. Gavin Newsom is screwing it up.
journey mann Jerry Brown WAS a screwup.
This project will never happen. It was designed to separate taxpayers from their hard earned dollars.
Waste of money. Stop it now.
What a waste...
Waste of money
@Mike Babbich still a waste money something that no body wanted and now that it's gone except for the central valley some we dont have to worry about for a while
If anyone can name me more than 3 high speed railway lines in the world that covers the construction costs, operating costs and maintanance costs, I will pay you 100 dollars. I will give you the first 3 lines to start with: Paris Lyon, Tokkaido Shinkansen (Tokyo Osaka) and Sinyo Shinkansen (actually, they break even.).
Railways administered by governments are not required to make profits. Privately held railroads in the US like CSX are beholden to their shareholders, but it is relatively easy for them to make money as they are hauling freight, not people. The intent of rail service being sponsored by governments is to guarantee a service to the public, as left to the free market there would be no service and the airlines(who are HEAVILY subsidized in the US-taxpayers give money to their shareholders basically) would be incentivized to screw the public as hard as possible. I get where you are coming from in your question, but I would recommend you examine countries that don't subsidize anything for the public to use and see what their lives are like first. It's not good.
@@starventure If it does not make money, it does not make sense to build it. Now the tax payer has to pay large sums of money each year, which could also have been spend on education or healthcare.
If there would be no market without the government, this means that people do not want this service given the costs associated with it and hence wise you should not build it. You should only build HSR when there is an economic case for it.
The airlines are not heavily subsidized, a very marginal percentage of their costs is subsidized (probably less than 3%), unlike railway companies, where often more than 50 or 60% of the costs is subsidized.
Countries that do not subsidize anything for the public (or at least, try to minimize the amount of subsidies they spend) often have the highest standards of living. I live in the Netherlands, where massive subsidies are provided by the government. Our houses are twice as small as in the USA. Our purchasing power is significantly smaller than purchasing power in the USA. Our cars are much smaller. Yes we have more public transport, but it is heavily subsidized and most people use the car anyways...
Roads and airports are a big waste of money check out all their costs all the costs plus all the expensive Uber expensive oil wars for cars and airplanes
@@mikelehman590 Eh, roads and airports actually pay for their costs. People are willing to pay for using roads and airports. People are not willing to pay for the full costs of high speed rail. High speed rail is therefore a waste of money.
p.s. the construction of high speed rail consumes incredible amounts of fossile fuels.
Building a bullet train line 500 miles or so does not use any more energy than a big fancy Super Highway that America built 50,000 miles of or probably more of