Tatania..... now there was a GIANT. It still astounds me the number of remarkable things that she saw with very little of what we have to look at today..... and got it totally, or majorly right. What a beautiful mind!
Thank you so very much for the fantastic lecture. Sure hope there are many more. I was a Peace Corp volunteer in Honduras1966-1969. Visited Copan many times during those years. Willis Martin Guanajuato, GTO , Mexico
Fantastic lecture, David. I viewed it twice! It's interesting how the Maya would dress up as Teotihuacan warriors in rememberance/respect for their power and influence.
When I heard a cat meow I thought it was my cat Rambo and I gave him his favorite kitty crunchies to keep him quiet while watching your video. Lol... Turned out it was your cat on video. He got a treat via RUclips.
Thank you for sharing your expertise online, Dr. Stuart! 🙏🙏🙏 I would love to know why the word "calumtay" (I'm sounding that out) is difficult to translate.
Stanley Guenter wrote an intriguing paper discussing the possible reason for the replacement of the Lord of Motul by Sihyah K'ak under direction of Spearthrower Owl of Teotihaucan. It was basically the placement of a grandson, previously created by a marriage between the house of Motul and the house of Teotihuacan.
What an excellent explication of your new understanding of the incredibly far-reaching effects of The Entrada. This talk was incredibly interesting, well illustrated and supported, and truly a delight for myself and my homeschooler. It is amazing how much more is known now, than when I studied precolumbian art and archaeology (UCLA '01). We knew that Teotihuacan had far reaching influence, but as I recall the interpretation was more of a cultural hegemony than an actual conquest (although there were questions about the origin of K'inich Yax K'uk Mo based on isotopic analysis of his teeth). I will be supporting Boundary End in gratitude, and sharing this resource with other long-term homeschoolers, because having access to this level of scholarship is just such an incredible gift! Thanks again, and stay healthy.
If Guenter is correct, Jasaw Chan K'awiil was a direct descendant not only of Nun Yax Ayin, but also a direct descendant of Spearthrower Owl, so he is not so much as remembering "the Siyah K'ak entrada" but also clearly stating that he descends directly from a Puh city, of 'Teotihuacan', but also from the direct line of its entrada ruler Spearthrower Owl, and his son (or grandson) Nun Yax Ayin.
Thank you for sharing the presentation of your interpretation of the "entrada". I enjoyed and benefited from it. It appears that you do not seem to read the comments attached here or respond to them, but it would be rude of me to listen to your presentation and not respond to you, or thank you for it.
I think that you cat is voicing in that there were no pet cats in Motul. This may be true, but the pillars, dress garments, and the hat you opened your talk with were made from very big kitties. (smile)
Thank you for the great presentation! I would like to note that if"m not mistaken, the later research has shown that the tomb in Copan - so-called Margarita tomb- you referred to, belongs to woman, probably wife of K'inich Yax K'uk' Mo'.
The problem with determining a Maya name for Spear-thrower Owl is that if he was a Lord of Teotihuacan, his name would have been in Teotihuacan's language, and we don't know the language. To make matters more obscure we don't even have the Teotihuacan name for Teotihuacan since that this is a later Nahuatl name applied to them by the Mixteca, and they did not even know the Teotihuacano's name for themselves, or the name that they called the city that they built. However, surely Sihyuh K'ak must have used a Maya name for Spear-thrower Owl when addressing the Maya about him, just as he clearly did for himself..... which is clear from the Maya glyphs used to write Sihyuh K'ak's name on monuments. Alej
Incredibile. Why did the Teotihuacanos start building over the war serpent platform around that same time.?. Maybe that guy got too big for his britches and they kicked him out!?
For a Maya geek like me, and a great fan of David, this was extremely informal and entertaining. Thank you.
Tatania..... now there was a GIANT. It still astounds me the number of remarkable things that she saw with very little of what we have to look at today..... and got it totally, or majorly right. What a beautiful mind!
Thank you so very much for the fantastic lecture. Sure hope there are many more. I was a Peace Corp volunteer in Honduras1966-1969. Visited Copan many times during those years.
Willis Martin Guanajuato, GTO , Mexico
Fantastic lecture, David. I viewed it twice! It's interesting how the Maya would dress up as Teotihuacan warriors in rememberance/respect for their power and influence.
Thank you David for your very interesting talk. It was nice to see you again
Thank you so much for the expansions!
Very helpful to those of us trying to understand these very complicated relationships.
Thank you for an absolutely fascinating presentation. I hope you will do more public lectures like this in the future.
Loved this lecture. Learned a lot. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Aqanoq xintatab'ej le ub'i "Kawil" xina'taj le umolaj Tzij "kowir, kowirik, kowilaj pa kiche' chab'al". Maltyox, tat David Stuart.
As always, it is a pleasure to listen to your clear explanations about the fascinating history of the Maya world...love it all!
This Western Authority is most compelling.
Fantastic. Thank you.
When I heard a cat meow I thought it was my cat Rambo and I gave him his favorite kitty crunchies to keep him quiet while watching your video. Lol... Turned out it was your cat on video. He got a treat via RUclips.
Thank you for sharing your expertise online, Dr. Stuart! 🙏🙏🙏 I would love to know why the word "calumtay" (I'm sounding that out) is difficult to translate.
Stanley Guenter wrote an intriguing paper discussing the possible reason for the replacement of the Lord of Motul by Sihyah K'ak under direction of Spearthrower Owl of Teotihaucan. It was basically the placement of a grandson, previously created by a marriage between the house of Motul and the house of Teotihuacan.
What an excellent explication of your new understanding of the incredibly far-reaching effects of The Entrada. This talk was incredibly interesting, well illustrated and supported, and truly a delight for myself and my homeschooler. It is amazing how much more is known now, than when I studied precolumbian art and archaeology (UCLA '01). We knew that Teotihuacan had far reaching influence, but as I recall the interpretation was more of a cultural hegemony than an actual conquest (although there were questions about the origin of K'inich Yax K'uk Mo based on isotopic analysis of his teeth). I will be supporting Boundary End in gratitude, and sharing this resource with other long-term homeschoolers, because having access to this level of scholarship is just such an incredible gift! Thanks again, and stay healthy.
SpearthrowerOwl/Eagle (bird and weapon themed warrior figure) also shows up in Mississippian iconography, specifically on copper plates from Etowah.
If Guenter is correct, Jasaw Chan K'awiil was a direct descendant not only of Nun Yax Ayin, but also a direct descendant of Spearthrower Owl, so he is not so much as remembering "the Siyah K'ak entrada" but also clearly stating that he descends directly from a Puh city, of 'Teotihuacan', but also from the direct line of its entrada ruler Spearthrower Owl, and his son (or grandson) Nun Yax Ayin.
Very informative, ! thank you, any suggestions on any books or online data regarding glyph/letter translations?
Nice talk thanks!
Thank you for sharing the presentation of your interpretation of the "entrada". I enjoyed and benefited from it. It appears that you do not seem to read the comments attached here or respond to them, but it would be rude of me to listen to your presentation and not respond to you, or thank you for it.
I think that you cat is voicing in that there were no pet cats in Motul. This may be true, but the pillars, dress garments, and the hat you opened your talk with were made from very big kitties. (smile)
Thank you for the great presentation! I would like to note that if"m not mistaken, the later research has shown that the tomb in Copan - so-called Margarita tomb- you referred to, belongs to woman, probably wife of K'inich Yax K'uk' Mo'.
Acceptable assertions only. Academia ... elevates the 'very knowledgeable' to control what you should know.
To an extent. But peer review is what keeps the things we do know grounded in reality and facts, not somebody's imagination.
The problem with determining a Maya name for Spear-thrower Owl is that if he was a Lord of Teotihuacan, his name would have been in Teotihuacan's language, and we don't know the language. To make matters more obscure we don't even have the Teotihuacan name for Teotihuacan since that this is a later Nahuatl name applied to them by the Mixteca, and they did not even know the Teotihuacano's name for themselves, or the name that they called the city that they built.
However, surely Sihyuh K'ak must have used a Maya name for Spear-thrower Owl when addressing the Maya about him, just as he clearly did for himself..... which is clear from the Maya glyphs used to write Sihyuh K'ak's name on monuments.
Alej
Incredibile. Why did the Teotihuacanos start building over the war serpent platform around that same time.?. Maybe that guy got too big for his britches and they kicked him out!?
A lot of similarities to Tlaloc.
Sub to eclipsed edits
"will be a problem for many years to come" simply tells me you have no solution so why watch?