Look at you. And then you go and peak up a feminist to talk about Incels. But Jordan Peterson who literally cries every time he talks about encouraging people... he is Racist & Sexist. Honestly how many Feminists have you seen crying? Watch Jordan Peterson. And that literally one of the best Psychology Professors is Racist & Sexist & Homophobic.
Got to say, I love Owens work, first got to see this, on an interview with Mary Lou McDonald, impressed with his attitude and interest in what he’s doing. A big fan!
6:34 This doesn't only apply to incels. It's also true for "motivational speakers", who will at times offer a correct analysis of the current conditions under capitalism, but instead of working on ways to change these conditions, they're advocating for ways to benefit from the things, that they often correctly identify as problems.
Great interview. I particularly liked the way you didn't take it over, as so many interviewers do, but asked Amia intelligent questions that stimulated such infomrative responses.
@@bestdjaf7499 A professional journalist asking Oxford's Chichele Professor of Social and Political Theory about a social phenomenon relevant to her published work. Ftfy.
She misusing her power to tell lies. Numerous studies show that men are disadvantged in dating resp. that a lot of individuals are not experiecing the dose of romanc intimiacacy the are craving.
21:27 The last part of Emmett Till’s story was the worst; on her death bed the woman admitted she made the whole thing up. Anyways, wonderful conversation and I'm pleased to see that the shooter's or gun men's names are being used less when we discuss incels.
That vile woman! What they did to that poor child was horrendous. And she wimped out by admitting to her lie as she was dying, so she would face no consequences. If there was a hell….I’d hope she was in it.
The identities of these peoples' families should be made public, they should pay reparations. They stood alongside murders, and protected these people.
I don't approve of any kind of violence but as long as you have this inequity in life where a group of men monopolize all the joy and all the rest of the men live these empty lives the natural responsible to be chaos...... You cannot have the majority of male population living empty lonely thankless lives.........
That's not true. At my admin workplace we a few controversial moments happened, and more of a tightening on what kind of behaviours are allowed. I have friends who are builders who experienced something similar.
Many thanks for this Owen, wonderful guest. Ordered Amia's book on the strength of the interview, devoured it in a day, have been recommending it to friends all week.
She misusing her power to tell lies. Numerous studies show that men are disadvantged in dating resp. that a lot of individuals are not experiecing the dose of romanc intimiacacy the are craving.
Fantastic interview; thanks for giving Amia time to speak, because she speaks so well and packs so much nuance into each response. I enjoyed the not-so-subtle allusions you two made to that recent Guardian write-up also!
Thank you Both!! I got to read the book via my public library! It was phenomenal!!! Also the library has 3 copies but it took about 3 months before a copy became available, so hopefully the word is getting out about this book
A disproportionately high number of incels are ethnic minority males, usually of Indian or Chinese descent. Check out Colin Wilson's theory of 'sexual disenfranchisement' by race and class, he was discussing this 30 years ago.
Excellent content as usual. (Also could we have a talk about the brilliant way that the genius of drug prohibition has not only given rise to powerful and blood thirsty cartels across the planet, but has also now recreated the Taliban?)
Fantastic discussion. Re the experience of POC being either excluded or fetischised on dating apps, very similar to the experiences of disabled people in the same contexts. Thanks to Amia for mentioning the role of ableism in determining who get to have desire and who gets to be desirable.
Conflating the term incel with a political ideology is problematic in that you're creating a gateway or political classification of potential militants based purely on what a woman finds attractive enough to date or have sex with. This will ultimately create a cultural feedback loop of inceldom.
@@taraswertelecki3786 Chernobyl's true disaster was the abandonment of nuclear power, resulting in exasperation of the climate crisis. Both dilemmas are disasters.
"Like Staceys... white, blonde, like stereotypically attractive skinny women, those are the women they want." Really? So not just someone who can't attract any girlfriend? Also, does this apply to non-white incels too?
This is fairly accurate. Non-white incels do often also have a particular complex around women of their own race and their alleged cravings for white d*ck. But it's not like they don't subscribe to wider social standards and pursue white women.
Mmm.....read an incel forum, it’s a little more involved, nuanced and variable than what’s being said here. I’m not sure if you can still do this, they may have been taken down. I must stress, having two teenage daughters, I wanted to clue myself up on what, in some cases, can be at the extremities of misogyny and ignorance of the issues women have to deal with in our society.
Honestly a great interview with an EXCELLENT interviewee. However there were WAY too many ads insterted at really irritating intervals. I am aware you don't pick the ads or where they go, but if you have any say in the amount of as breaks RUclips insert, it would make your future interviews much more watchable if they had both fewer, and less frequent ad breaks. Maybe opening with a double, unskippable Ad is annoying, but it's nothing like as annoying as having to skip an ad every 5-10 minutes
No offense, Owen, but I'm pretty sure the majority of women would not appreciate men speaking on behalf of women's issues, so can you please get real incels or former incels on to explain how they view the world?
Please forgive my lack of understanding, are “INCELS” trying to get women? And failing, or are they sat in a basement sending angry messages, and therefore never getting the chance to meet women? And getting angry about it? I’m 50 years old, and I struggle with some of these modern concepts, makes me feel v old 😂
Me Too was started by Tarana Burke--a black woman activist. It really ticks me off when people presume it's a movement of otherwise privileged white women. And Tarana is still a leader in the movement--still is made up of mostly working and middle-class women of color.
She misusing her power to tell lies. Numerous studies show that men are disadvantged in dating resp. that a lot of individuals are not experiecing the dose of romanc intimiacacy the are craving.
The discussion of incels was awful and frankly inaccurate. Natalie from ContraPoints did a much better video on the topic, it's long but you gotta watch the whole video to fully understand their POV. Or you could watch actual black pill channels like WheatWaffles or Incel TV.
I cannot believe that she think mums on Mumsnet, who may be angry about high child care costs, are blaming the trans movement for lack of government support. That really tells you she's not a mum herself. It's all theorising for her. Such BS. I know a mum who is very angry re childcare costs and who also thinks her kid is trans. Blows this theory out of the water. Such gaslighting of mums who are worried about this ideology impacting their kids.
I would love to hear Owen interview an incel but what incel is going to show their face on camera. Healthy Gamer has been trying to talk to a real incel but the guys who would be willing to talk on camera, if he asked, are generally pleasant guys who are shy in social situations and can’t get sex or guys who constantly get friend zoned. I highly doubt a violent incel would come on camera.
Because your average incel, not the ones on forums all day, but the ones who are just regular guys that just don't experience interest from women aren't dumb enough or attention seeking enough to talk about it publicly. Most incels probably also don't have friends either and so it's not just about women but feeling rejected by society. Nevermind female interest, but bthey are likely being rejected by male peers too and that's a very embarrassing, very
@Tich Ennis I think that was the problem. She is a philosopher by trade that is selling a book, but she chimed in on sociological/anthropological issues without any evidence or research just so she could tap into a current event to sell books. So whether you like her or not is down to belief and faith in her argument, but not based on any kind of research or evidence. Some egregious examples was the idea that incels are primarily motivated by status seemed especially unfounded. Or the idea that transphobes are intimidated by the fear of how free trans people are.
@@TwistyThreeFifty maybe read her book before getting overly critical. This discussion is never going to get anywhere near the meat of her argument. If after analysing her book you feel the same, then fair enough.
the only way this was going to be interesting and constructive was if you were willing to empathise with these subjects. it doesn't seem like you want to do that. if you're only talking about the very extreme portion of these people then you need to make that very clear.
Brilliant interview, both the questions and the considered answers. Fascinating the amount of comments from (male) people who betray that they didn't make it past the title.
Then it is about the right to sex when women have sex. If sex is not supposed to be a right, then the same rule should apply in general when it comes to sex, for example it should not be considered wrong if a man in high years has not had sex. Or women's orgasms during sex should not be distributed fairly.
I'm 27 never even kissed anyone I've felt depressed for most of my 20s hate it. I want a relationship so much dont know how to go about it hate life am in noway blaming women for my failings its my fault I hate my life feel like l've wasted my life what most people experience as teens I've won't experience until my 30s
How much of that is expectations of modern western culture? Being single and not promiscuous is seen as being inadequate. I was single pretty much until i was 28
What makes you think you will experience it in your 30's? If women hated you in your prime, why will that ever change? This realisation is where massacres start.
I find that your ideal of living 'what most people experience as teens' is not worth pursuing at all. You can ofc live your best life without romance, you just think its great because of one sided and self harming ideals, life is much more than that. I've never kissed anyone too with 23yo and its a totally morally irrelevant fact of my life, your depression will go away as soon as you dedicate your life to something meaningful
Not what she's saying at all. That's an incel ideology she is challenging. Everyone gets lonely. If you want compassion you have to be willing to offer it yourself.
@@johnmilius3031 it's all about being realistic and understanding the landscape. Capitalist culture encourages a lookbased outlook. It's not how people can truly operate in the human intimacy of a relationship.
Very sad to see Western Academics not been very effective but instead choosing political alignment point scoring rather than a thorough investigations and correctly identifying issues and solutions. When the problem with all this divisions stems from the Academics of Humanities and Social Science.
@ 2:01 Notice when giving the definition of INCELS and whom it typically applies to , Amia was about to say young, WHITE and then caught herself and changed it to MEN. 😂🤣🤣😂😅😭
I’d just like to point out that Jordan Peterson was trying to deal with this problem years ago but the woke media decided to attempt to smear and destroy him. Now you’re all acting like no one saw this coming. 🤦♂️
Which problem are you talking about? If you're talking about young men not having sex then JP certainly was a part of that narrative, he was on Joe Rogan and raised the idea of forced monogamy. This is feeding into the ideology of the incels and not at all helpful! If anything it adds to the justification for these acts of terror.
@@henrybamford5253 The problem of young, weak, directionless, young men. What is causing it and how to deal with it. There are countless cases of him taking men out of the self-pitying incel ideology. He was totally misrepresented in regards to enforced monogamy. All he did was point out that enforced monogamy is a thing that happens in society for various reasons. He has stated many times that no one is entitled to another person and that you need to make yourself attractive if you want to attract women.
she's not actually very smart. and her dis. is lame. I read as much as I could take -- and in it she defends the (lame) thesis (much attacked) of her director - which seems a conflict of interest, actually. I suspect a hidden hand behind her. lol
Mischaracterizing the Jordan Peterson world view. Not appreciated. Very lame. Jordan Peterson speech with a lot of nuance and intentionality. so it's super easy to mischaracterize him.
Obviously him thinking the universe was against him and his life sucked because some women dont want to have romance with him was one of the causes. Total lack of morals helped too
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no.
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Look at you.
And then you go and peak up a feminist to talk about Incels.
But Jordan Peterson who literally cries every time he talks about encouraging people... he is Racist & Sexist.
Honestly how many Feminists have you seen crying?
Watch Jordan Peterson.
And that literally one of the best Psychology Professors is Racist & Sexist & Homophobic.
Got to say, I love Owens work, first got to see this, on an interview with Mary Lou McDonald, impressed with his attitude and interest in what he’s doing. A big fan!
No need to demonize the opposition. Polarization is dangerous.
6:34 This doesn't only apply to incels.
It's also true for "motivational speakers", who will at times offer a correct analysis of the current conditions under capitalism, but instead of working on ways to change these conditions, they're advocating for ways to benefit from the things, that they often correctly identify as problems.
Great interview. I particularly liked the way you didn't take it over, as so many interviewers do, but asked Amia intelligent questions that stimulated such infomrative responses.
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A gay man asking a woman about Incels?
Brilliant!!
That's Owen's style. Love his interviews for that. Amia was incredibly eloquent and knowledgeable though, blow away.
@@bestdjaf7499 A professional journalist asking Oxford's Chichele Professor of Social and Political Theory about a social phenomenon relevant to her published work. Ftfy.
This interview gives me life. It is so great to hear these complex issues articulated clearly! Thank you both.
She misusing her power to tell lies.
Numerous studies show that men are disadvantged in dating resp. that a lot of individuals are not experiecing the dose of romanc intimiacacy the are craving.
21:27 The last part of Emmett Till’s story was the worst; on her death bed the woman admitted she made the whole thing up. Anyways, wonderful conversation and I'm pleased to see that the shooter's or gun men's names are being used less when we discuss incels.
That vile woman! What they did to that poor child was horrendous. And she wimped out by admitting to her lie as she was dying, so she would face no consequences. If there was a hell….I’d hope she was in it.
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The identities of these peoples' families should be made public, they should pay reparations. They stood alongside murders, and protected these people.
I don't approve of any kind of violence but as long as you have this inequity in life where a group of men monopolize all the joy and all the rest of the men live these empty lives the natural responsible to be chaos...... You cannot have the majority of male population living empty lonely thankless lives.........
MeToo was limited to taking down millionaires with brand sponsorships. So glad she pointed that out.
That's not true. At my admin workplace we a few controversial moments happened, and more of a tightening on what kind of behaviours are allowed.
I have friends who are builders who experienced something similar.
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Maybe affecting more salaried employees but certainly more widely affecting than a few millionaires
@@nemo9248 That’s not got anything to do with incels?
Me too = Revenge of the Groupie
Many thanks for this Owen, wonderful guest. Ordered Amia's book on the strength of the interview, devoured it in a day, have been recommending it to friends all week.
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She misusing her power to tell lies.
Numerous studies show that men are disadvantged in dating resp. that a lot of individuals are not experiecing the dose of romanc intimiacacy the are craving.
I recommend you provide bookmarks within this interview because you cover a wide range of issues and content
agreed!
Very insightful! I could have easily listened to a separate hour on each of those topics from Amia.
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@Tich Ennis Hi Tich , just saying knife crime in London is out of control . Lawless London
Totally agree.
Fantastic interview; thanks for giving Amia time to speak, because she speaks so well and packs so much nuance into each response. I enjoyed the not-so-subtle allusions you two made to that recent Guardian write-up also!
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@@nemo9248
Its nothing to do with religion!!
💯👍🏻👍🏻
I can barely listen, her vocal fry is painful, I have mysophonia so certain sounds feel painful
I loved this owen. I wanna hear from a former incel too to understand that perspective but great interview
Feel free to check out "INC3LMATICS BlackPill Documentary" on youtube and BlackPillScience on reddit
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@@nemo9248 so what are you trying to infer??
@@noahreddie6580 He just keeps posting the same comment. Hes just a broken record.
No way! No air time for pieces of sh@t when you can have people of Amias calibre/quality instead
The "trans panic" defence is absolutely disgusting and horrific, but is legitimately used to justify murder. What a horrific disgrace
What is the trans panic defence?
maybe you should be interviewing men about this issue?
I would like to know about any men who talk about this issue from a reconstructed position.
Thank you Both!! I got to read the book via my public library! It was phenomenal!!! Also the library has 3 copies but it took about 3 months before a copy became available, so hopefully the word is getting out about this book
A disproportionately high number of incels are ethnic minority males, usually of Indian or Chinese descent. Check out Colin Wilson's theory of 'sexual disenfranchisement' by race and class, he was discussing this 30 years ago.
Seems Colin Wilson is not cool enough for the left.
Excellent content as usual. (Also could we have a talk about the brilliant way that the genius of drug prohibition has not only given rise to powerful and blood thirsty cartels across the planet, but has also now recreated the Taliban?)
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Fantastic discussion. Re the experience of POC being either excluded or fetischised on dating apps, very similar to the experiences of disabled people in the same contexts. Thanks to Amia for mentioning the role of ableism in determining who get to have desire and who gets to be desirable.
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Or maybe people don’t like you
Conflating the term incel with a political ideology is problematic in that you're creating a gateway or political classification of potential militants based purely on what a woman finds attractive enough to date or have sex with. This will ultimately create a cultural feedback loop of inceldom.
This is a feedback loop to destruction, much like the one that destroyed a nuclear reactor at Chernobyl.
@@taraswertelecki3786 Chernobyl's true disaster was the abandonment of nuclear power, resulting in exasperation of the climate crisis. Both dilemmas are disasters.
"Like Staceys... white, blonde, like stereotypically attractive skinny women, those are the women they want." Really? So not just someone who can't attract any girlfriend? Also, does this apply to non-white incels too?
She really has no idea tbh.
This is fairly accurate. Non-white incels do often also have a particular complex around women of their own race and their alleged cravings for white d*ck. But it's not like they don't subscribe to wider social standards and pursue white women.
It's pretty obvious she is politely saying "most incels desire women out of their league".
The feminist narrative can't accept men being victims as well.
@@RG-sv4qb So she's made a league in her head where "blondes" outrank her? That's some kind of self-hate there.
You always have amazing guests but she is just something else! Loved it.
Mmm.....read an incel forum, it’s a little more involved, nuanced and variable than what’s being said here. I’m not sure if you can still do this, they may have been taken down. I must stress, having two teenage daughters, I wanted to clue myself up on what, in some cases, can be at the extremities of misogyny and ignorance of the issues women have to deal with in our society.
I couldn't agree more.
I didn't think her ideas were at all accurate.
I like how you act as if incels are the problem
Will be saving up for your book Amia. Thanks for a wonderful show Owen
Once again Owen, I have no doubt she is fantastic. But you really should have spoken to former incels.
Why not just incels. There are youtubers who have channels.
@@rossleeson8626 because they are insane?
@@poisondamage2182 Whatever your opinion, they too have a right to be heard.
@@poisondamage2182 they’re 4chan trolls
@@rossleeson8626 who?
Honestly a great interview with an EXCELLENT interviewee.
However there were WAY too many ads insterted at really irritating intervals.
I am aware you don't pick the ads or where they go, but if you have any say in the amount of as breaks RUclips insert, it would make your future interviews much more watchable if they had both fewer, and less frequent ad breaks. Maybe opening with a double, unskippable Ad is annoying, but it's nothing like as annoying as having to skip an ad every 5-10 minutes
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@@nemo9248 which has anything to do with what I said because?
@@wolfgangbailey3730 he has posted this under every comment. Best ignored.
I think she's supposed to be the designated replacement for Catherine MacKinnon, who perhaps is nearing the end of her shelf life.
Brilliant interview. Thank you.
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No offense, Owen, but I'm pretty sure the majority of women would not appreciate men speaking on behalf of women's issues, so can you please get real incels or former incels on to explain how they view the world?
Not giving a platform to incels to spread their misogynist ideology. Next you'll ask Owen to start platforming flat earthers and anti vaxxers.
@@asparagus5428 Incels are young men who see themselves as victims of cerain societal structures.
The actual victims are the women assaulted and murdered so a female guest is appropriate
@@whydidthetilda Except that half the victims in this case were men...
@@whydidthetilda all these attack have male vicims though.
Yes men do not have a right to sex. By the same token, I have the right to treat women with the contempt that they have always treated me.
Hmmm how exactly do you demonstrate your "contempt"
Raging milkcel
@@xx-my5vh How would that change anything?
She says it more just to benefit herself. Many women themselves can talk about their sex life being a right.
Please forgive my lack of understanding, are “INCELS” trying to get women? And failing, or are they sat in a basement sending angry messages, and therefore never getting the chance to meet women? And getting angry about it? I’m 50 years old, and I struggle with some of these modern concepts, makes me feel v old 😂
Agepill.
Okay, Boomer.
Me Too was started by Tarana Burke--a black woman activist. It really ticks me off when people presume it's a movement of otherwise privileged white women. And Tarana is still a leader in the movement--still is made up of mostly working and middle-class women of color.
She misusing her power to tell lies.
Numerous studies show that men are disadvantged in dating resp. that a lot of individuals are not experiecing the dose of romanc intimiacacy the are craving.
I'm finding I have LOADS of ads for this (like every 5mins) - is anyone else getting this?
It's frustrating as I'm interested in hearing it all!
Great discussion
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Dudes have the right to WANT sex, women have the right to REFUSE you!
Two genius-level intellects.
The discussion of incels was awful and frankly inaccurate. Natalie from ContraPoints did a much better video on the topic, it's long but you gotta watch the whole video to fully understand their POV.
Or you could watch actual black pill channels like WheatWaffles or Incel TV.
Everyone deserves to be loved.
Not deserves, after a certain age, but needs, I'd say.
Just saying.
@@edricaldones9639 Even sociopaths like the Tory leadership?
@@frankshailes3205 They weren't born like that, I suppose.
@@frankshailes3205 lolz .
@@edricaldones9639 i can save you boris 😘😘
Plantation fetish??! 😳🤭😮..Big morality questions!
Incredible that you managed to touch on so much while saying so little
Yes, everything is so convoluted and no straight answers given.
Incredible you can live with yourself whilst being a paid employee for your right wing masters and so low on their heirarchy
@@DanielleA2023 That's far too harsh on Owen.
I cannot believe that she think mums on Mumsnet, who may be angry about high child care costs, are blaming the trans movement for lack of government support. That really tells you she's not a mum herself. It's all theorising for her. Such BS. I know a mum who is very angry re childcare costs and who also thinks her kid is trans. Blows this theory out of the water. Such gaslighting of mums who are worried about this ideology impacting their kids.
So excited to read her book. She's great!
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I bet you wax your chest hair don't you Felix?
online dating actually creates more cross cultural relationships as ssocial groups are otherwise very race specific
I would love to hear Owen interview an incel but what incel is going to show their face on camera. Healthy Gamer has been trying to talk to a real incel but the guys who would be willing to talk on camera, if he asked, are generally pleasant guys who are shy in social situations and can’t get sex or guys who constantly get friend zoned. I highly doubt a violent incel would come on camera.
Have you seen the Jubilee video? He doesn't seem violent necessarily but clearly has extremely sexist views of women
Because your average incel, not the ones on forums all day, but the ones who are just regular guys that just don't experience interest from women aren't dumb enough or attention seeking enough to talk about it publicly. Most incels probably also don't have friends either and so it's not just about women but feeling rejected by society. Nevermind female interest, but bthey are likely being rejected by male peers too and that's a very embarrassing, very
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great, nuanced convo
This conversation is just a series of bad takes tacked together for an hour straight.
you mean like your life but shorter?
@@tcritt no not at all. More like your mother without chlamydia.
@Tich Ennis I think that was the problem. She is a philosopher by trade that is selling a book, but she chimed in on sociological/anthropological issues without any evidence or research just so she could tap into a current event to sell books. So whether you like her or not is down to belief and faith in her argument, but not based on any kind of research or evidence.
Some egregious examples was the idea that incels are primarily motivated by status seemed especially unfounded. Or the idea that transphobes are intimidated by the fear of how free trans people are.
@@TwistyThreeFifty maybe read her book before getting overly critical. This discussion is never going to get anywhere near the meat of her argument. If after analysing her book you feel the same, then fair enough.
the only way this was going to be interesting and constructive was if you were willing to empathise with these subjects. it doesn't seem like you want to do that. if you're only talking about the very extreme portion of these people then you need to make that very clear.
At least have a guest that knows the subject matter
Brilliant interview, both the questions and the considered answers. Fascinating the amount of comments from (male) people who betray that they didn't make it past the title.
“But she’s a FEMOID!! She can’t speak for US!”
@@tabbymoonshine5986 Let's flip that around; So you'd be okay with men talking about women's issues without any women present?
Many women can say that their sex life is a right, so it is wrong to talk about these men thinking sex is a right, because women do too
Young conservative urban middle-class Western men.
05:29 that's an utterly wrong statement, but yeah you know how everyone and everything in labelled nowadays!
Fantastic all! I learned a lot
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rip jake
intolerable -- where they ever got this bimb idk but they missed
All I can say is nobody's ever me too'ed a guy who is a fast food worker......
$$$$
Bahrain? ????
Then it is about the right to sex when women have sex. If sex is not supposed to be a right, then the same rule should apply in general when it comes to sex, for example it should not be considered wrong if a man in high years has not had sex. Or women's orgasms during sex should not be distributed fairly.
She manages to speak entirely in either up-speak or vocal fry. Truly a cultured and intelligent woman.
And while not rally giving any concrete answers. Nice!
Rofl ... true, how depressing.
She speaks so eloquently yet the amount of bs she's spitting is just incredible
I'm 27 never even kissed anyone I've felt depressed for most of my 20s hate it. I want a relationship so much dont know how to go about it hate life am in noway blaming women for my failings its my fault I hate my life feel like l've wasted my life what most people experience as teens I've won't experience until my 30s
How much of that is expectations of modern western culture? Being single and not promiscuous is seen as being inadequate. I was single pretty much until i was 28
What makes you think you will experience it in your 30's? If women hated you in your prime, why will that ever change? This realisation is where massacres start.
When you reach your 30s you stop caring about dating. Its great
@@RookhKshatriya Yeah why is that
I find that your ideal of living 'what most people experience as teens' is not worth pursuing at all. You can ofc live your best life without romance, you just think its great because of one sided and self harming ideals, life is much more than that. I've never kissed anyone too with 23yo and its a totally morally irrelevant fact of my life, your depression will go away as soon as you dedicate your life to something meaningful
Already looking forward to her next book; "Lonely men are worthless to women and should be shamed for merely existing".
Not what she's saying at all. That's an incel ideology she is challenging. Everyone gets lonely. If you want compassion you have to be willing to offer it yourself.
@@RickieLeach Nonsense. The worst criminals get women, Incels are only rejected because of their looks.
@@RickieLeach that’s so true, if you don’t like and respect yourself, it’s less likely other people will
Life isn't fair. I haven't got one genuine friend outside of family but I'm not being bitter about it.
@@johnmilius3031 it's all about being realistic and understanding the landscape. Capitalist culture encourages a lookbased outlook. It's not how people can truly operate in the human intimacy of a relationship.
Men have the right to their own hand... and their imagination rofl. I mean.... they need to take a look and read a book apparently.
Very sad to see Western Academics not been very effective but instead choosing political alignment point scoring rather than a thorough investigations and correctly identifying issues and solutions. When the problem with all this divisions stems from the Academics of Humanities and Social Science.
A big nothing burger.
You do the same. Thomas.
@ 2:01 Notice when giving the definition of INCELS and whom it typically applies to , Amia was about to say young, WHITE and then caught herself and changed it to MEN. 😂🤣🤣😂😅😭
I peeped that too😂😂😂😂
very very bad vocal fry, creaky voice, half of words almost swallowed whole lol creaky creak croak croak LOL
vocal fry, very bad case
is that REALLY your accent????
She has a British accent on some videos. Here she seems to be American. 🤔
women are oppressed etc etc. ok sure...not the reality of society i’m afraid.
'ats whot'
to say that incels dont want companionship is pretty insensitive
I’d just like to point out that Jordan Peterson was trying to deal with this problem years ago but the woke media decided to attempt to smear and destroy him.
Now you’re all acting like no one saw this coming. 🤦♂️
Which problem are you talking about? If you're talking about young men not having sex then JP certainly was a part of that narrative, he was on Joe Rogan and raised the idea of forced monogamy. This is feeding into the ideology of the incels and not at all helpful! If anything it adds to the justification for these acts of terror.
@@henrybamford5253 The problem of young, weak, directionless, young men. What is causing it and how to deal with it.
There are countless cases of him taking men out of the self-pitying incel ideology.
He was totally misrepresented in regards to enforced monogamy. All he did was point out that enforced monogamy is a thing that happens in society for various reasons. He has stated many times that no one is entitled to another person and that you need to make yourself attractive if you want to attract women.
Colin Wilson coined the term Sexual Disenfranchisement 40 years ago.
Sex is overrated
she's not actually very smart. and her dis. is lame. I read as much as I could take -- and in it she defends the (lame) thesis (much attacked) of her director - which seems a conflict of interest, actually. I suspect a hidden hand behind her. lol
😂😂😂 Why on earth would you choose to interview some who hasn't a clue
lmao all the triggered incels down here
Owen Jones: 178K RUclips subscribers. GB News: 217K subscribers. Poor Owen I warned him, he wouldn't listen.
Nobody listens to people named 'Larry'.
Haha, you can buy subscribers mate, means nothing, are you new?
Mischaracterizing the Jordan Peterson world view. Not appreciated. Very lame. Jordan Peterson speech with a lot of nuance and intentionality. so it's super easy to mischaracterize him.
He was incel. That doesn't mean his murders were BECAUSE he was an incel.
Obviously him thinking the universe was against him and his life sucked because some women dont want to have romance with him was one of the causes. Total lack of morals helped too
She’s super attractive, exactly my type ...
I second that emotion 😊
Are you a basement dwelling whyte incel?
@@kwolf2145 nope. I live on the second floor of a 1980s apartment block in the most beautiful city in Europe.