Sure don't rush it but at the same time there is nothing better than real game time, we know they're not going to be playoff bound, so why not let him play and learn. Take this as his growth year. If he sits the most or the whole year, then he won't learn as much. Josh Allen got tossed into the fire year 1 and sure it was ugly at times, but we saw flashes. It just boils down to if the ownership, management, coaching, team, and fans can have patience, like they did with the guy in Buffalo.
@@sirblazing22 Of course, Mac Jones was absolutely horrible. Maye so far has been far ahead of Brissett in both preseason games. Brissett has been lousy which isn't very surprising.
If brockman is predicting hall of fame and multiple titles we can now start mentally preparing for the patriots drafting the next QB of the future in 2028
Great opening chat. Maye's footwork on the incompletion was awesome. What we were waiting to see More work to do but..... I never thought Mac was that great
I agree. There is no reason to rush. Drake may out there. Doesn’t mean sit them for multiple years. It just means take time so that he has the best chance to succeed.
Your post is literally the Same thing. We all know from experience they have nothing to talk about until the real games start so they make everything a story.
@@SunniMerlot the original plan and scouting consensus was to let him marinate. It's definitely not the same kind of reaction to maintain that course lol
We don't know yet. All Coach said was that Maye made some promising progression. He didn't finalize anything yet. There's still a long way to go before week 1
13:04 Jordan Love, Lamar Jackson, Pat Mahomes, Jared Goff, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Mike Vick, and Drew Brees all sat at least half a season, and some sat multiple years. I think the opposite of this argument is true; you're much more likely to permanently ruin a promising young QB if you throw him out there without the coaching, line, and skill guys to allow him to succeed, rather than letting him observe the game and see what he can learn from the sidelines. QBs like Payton Manning are actually the exception to the rule, rather than the expectation (since he was terrible year 1, but turned it around rather than developing terrible habits.)
❗KIRK & TJ PLEASE CREATE A PODCAST TOGETHER❗Kirk's the best. The guy's positive energy is refreshing to have on this show. He should be the full time replacement whenever Rich's out. I hate that big ear guy.
The greatest incomplete pass in the history of the NFL was Patrick Mahomes 30 yard incomplete pass in the Superbowl vs the Bucs. HE WAS PARALLEL TO THE GROUND AND THREW IT ACCURATELY TO THE FACEMASK AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT FOR A TOUCHDOWN!!!!!
Maye played absolutely mid against second and third string Eagles defensive players (I'm a diehard Eagles fan, so I know how rough some of these guys are). Pats fans need to chill, big time
Yeah I’m. Pats fan, and I have absolutely no faith in May, he isn’t good, but a lot of pats fans thinks he’s amazing, yet the eagles qbs all looked way way better
Bull. He threw 2 perfect downfield passes. One not caught along the sideline and the other just dropped over the middle. He had poor protection, but had no problem moving away from it. He was never shaken and handled everything well. No doubt for people who know what they're watching, that he will be good. How good remains to be seen, but anyone thinking he'll bomb are wrong. I doubt you could tell from watching, but I already know he'll be good.
@@BaronVonMunch That is all speculative and depends on his development. There’s no doubt he’s talented. You can see it watching him, but throwing him out to the wolves before he corrects his footwork and learns to handle an NFL offense is stupidity. Most of his throws were checkdowns. You can tell the game is a little too fast for him. You don’t want him out there for a while unless you want another Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson.
My opinion about drake maye is to start week 1 with him. The best experience he could get is by play not in the sideline looking at other. For example CJ stroud. Times that with living now is gold. God bless all.
Lets get this Offensive line together first off lol. Maye's gonna NEED protection. Honestly, I want him to develop, learn the right way! But as we all know with any job there's nothing like live action.
Jordan Love sat for 4 years and still had to go through growing pains last year. I like what the Pats are doing, sit Maye to start the year and let him see what game prep looks like, mid season once the playoffs are out of reach, let him play and start the development process. No one thought Herbert was ready either until they botched Tyrod's pain shot and Herbert balled out rookie year
That's an argument _against_ sitting the QBs down. It's like this: if you built a car for an 8-year-old, no 8-year-old would have the ability to multi-task, look out for traffic, pedestrians, hover over the brake while signalling. When does any individual naturally develop the ability to multi-task enough to be a QB? Around their 23rd birthday for men. Purdy is the same age as Fields & Lawrence who yes, did benefit from not being put in too early. Lawrence is an unknown because of Urban Meyer & Fields was undermined by his coaches & roster but looked The Most NFL-ready coming out of college. Simply put, your mind reacts to being surrounded by NFL linemen trying to sack you by going completely in to Fight or Flight panic. Zach Wilson. The very time the individual becomes capable of registering this panic but *setting it aside until the pass is off* is when they need to get in there. & we don't know where that is until it happens. Peyton Manning had this inner switch flip mid-way in his rookie season. Once it did his INTs reduced greatly. Why? He wasn't flinging the ball in a panic like Zach Wilson anymore. If Maye is at that point, no amount of sitting on the bench will do him any good. Stroud didn't need it.
@@5percent_95isLost Mac Jones made the playoffs as a rookie. And then Bill got triggered! We don’t have to worry about Mayo getting triggered over Maye, and Brisset proved why he’s a journeyman to begin with! Maye is literally the best option now, it only makes sense to start him and let him learn from REAL GAME EXPERIENCE!!!
@@ChewsCarefully if he is ready to go week one then you start him, if not you wait until he is, it depends on the guy.he Also the pats o-line is not good so he may develop bad habits if rushed on the field too early, you can't make a franchise qb in a couple games but you can ruin one.
@@Nightlingbolt makes sense if he's in a Caleb Williams situation but maye has one of the worst skill position groups in the league and a below average o-line, so if he is not really ready the experience you're talking about will be him running for his life and developing poor habits
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, & Pat Mahomes have all had games where their first 7 passes were bad but balled out the rest of the game. They’ve also all had games where their first 7 passes were great then they lost the game. We can’t judge either of these two QBs off a handful of plays like come on
Why do you people that know nothing waste your time. Mac Jones was always lousy. In the first year there was some hope that he would be smart enough to overcome is obvious lack of talent. By the end the that season, it was a big question as he did nothing in Dec and in the playoffs. The guy couldn't run and had a weak arm. Maye is 6'4", has a great arm and can run. Very athletic with very good downfield accuracy. Has so far shown great poise and has been able to easily avoid rushes to make positive plays. They want to work on his consistency and have him gain experience. At this point, it is amazing to think that people out there wanted to doubt him. He's almost a perfect young qb to have. He has shown no personality disorders like some qbs have. Couldn't ask for anything more. I just hope he doesn't killed behind a horrible O line. Only reason to be cautious.
I cannot take much more of this lol. Even Maye's biggest fans have admitted his arm and his athletic talent were not his flaws. His flaws were his ability to run an NFL level offense, which is what AVP runs and wants Maye to run. Both Maye and Milton have discussed with reporters how little they have worked in an NFL style system since Pop Warner. With that context I ask you all, why are we freaking out when he makes a pass? We should be freaking out when he starts recognizing schemes and play calling his receivers open. That's what the Bradys and Mahomes of the league do at a high level to ensure success.
Will only say, it's hard to start Maye and then pull him Have guard all camp how he want ready, up and down The knock coming in was his footwork I will let the coaches who see him day to day decide I have faith in AVP The entire coaching staff starts with technique Oline, WR and QB all are being developed
I don't think he should start but I thought he looked pretty good last night. His receivers had a couple drops on almost perfect deep throws that would've changed the whole narrative
He moved very well, he handled the rush very well and most of his passes were accurate including his deep ones. Maybe a couple of passes were off, other than that it was all very good. Brissett was horrible like he was last week and most of his career.
It's not about "winning the job," I don't care if he's suddenly Josh Allen; it's about being able to protect him so that he isn't injured or set back. It's not difficult to understand. The current O-line is not capable of that.
The people who know what they're talking about are saying this. The main question here is the O line. Brissett may be the worst of all qbs they have. Zappe has shown more in his brief career. Milton has more talent, but will make a lot of mistakes. Maye is far more talented and looks very poised. Main question is his consistency. But we will need to make sure he will have some time to operate.
Before the draft as a huge patriots fan, I was saying I really hope we get Drake. Or Jaden. I believe both of them will be much better than Caleb. I was hoping Drake only because I think Jaden will be plagued by injuries. He got taken out of college games for getting hit hard. He’s very skinny. Potential to be phenomenal though. Seeing Drake make a few of those throws last night was amazing. Joel klatt had him at 2 for a reason. He’s only 21 and he can make throws that some veteran QBs can’t. Oh yeah, and he can run. Lol. When he’s 24, he won’t even be in his prime. He’s very accurate and he can run. That’s a nightmare for defenses. Patriots have something very special with him. Three years from now I think they will be making a run in the playoffs.
I said all this BEFORE the draft. Had Maye as the top QB coming out Pats need to sit out Maye as much as possible and then draft the top o lineman coming out and get the best free agent o lineman they can . And a # 1 receiver .They can compete for a super bowl in 2 to 3 years
The question is not who is a better QB, the question is how good is the OL. IMHO, until the Pats can field a decent OL, Maye shouldn't see the field. Yeah, that's making Jacobi the sacrificial lamb , but the simple fact of the matter is that the NFL has countless examples of highly drafted QB's crashing and burning because their OL sucked and they got hammered too many times. Which meant they started feeling pressure when it wasn't there. This in part, was what happened to Mac Jones. Yeah, the coaching after McDaniels left was bad, but that doesn't explain why he had the same problems under Bill O'Brian. The hits made the difference.
As a RAVENS fan who endured about 15 years of PATRIOTS dominance, it's good to see them (PATRIOTS) rebuilding and not a guarantee roadblock for my favorite NFL TEAM. Salute 🫡 to a long, miserable rebuild all you PATRIOTS fans, you all can get ready for the 2025 NFL DRAFT, this season is already over. 😂😂😂
Brockman when talking about the Pats is "almost" worst than listening to Nick Wright talking about the Chiefs. I have to mute them both. Just hyperbole, biased & nonsense!
@@RichEisenShow I personally LOVE IT! Keep it up, was SUPER funny about TJs eye's being bad😂😂 anyways you might be on to something. You called that Celtics run last year 🤷🏾♂️
If you watch the show consistently you’d know he is just messing around. I’m with you on Nick Wright tho, he is most definitely not just messing around. I already hated the Chiefs but he puts the cherry on top. Screw the Chiefs and screw Nick Wright.
@@mr.t3782 We did, most of those yards were YAC on the screen pass. He showed he can call plays, snap the ball, and deliver it. Anyone who has been paying attentions knows Maye himself confirmed he hasn't run an NFL style offense. Think Milton even said to reporters he hadn't since Pop Warner. People have to relax, we knew he had a good arm and legs that was never the reason to start or sit him.
Yes the Pats are winning the next ten super bowls...Maye will be the greatest individual in the known universe not alone a great QB. Let's make all the bust now...
Common Brock, Milton was so much more dynamic and entertaining the Drake. It sucks we wasted a first round pick on Maye but I'll take the junior Cam Newton in Milton any day, He's the TRUTH.
Drake Maye may be the real deal. The defense is legit. But no RBs and mediocre WRs means the Pats will still struggle. Start Maye maybe in the second half.
If you think those second stringers arnt giving it all, you don’t understand being competitive or loving the game you play. A guy who gives 10% gets cut. I do agree it’s just a preseason game though and it’s going to take more than even 1 season to really start to judge Maye.
I guarantee you every backup player is giving 100% the coaches are keeping things vanilla but the backups are all trying their hardest 😂 what an asinine take
Ya so was Herbert. How do I have a feeling drake will come in a couple weeks in a dominate, you can’t keep huge athletic qbs with a cannon on the sidelines for very long
I could not care less about this team and their QB situation but here are my $0.02. It's ok to play your rookie QB as long as the fans and ownership understand the situation. If it's about him getting reps, real game experience, against NFL players, that's fine. The problem is that it rarely goes that way. The media and fans would criticize him for every mistake he makes. There is no real answer to the sit him or play him question. Jordan Love sat for way too long, Stroud was great as a rookie, Mahomes got one year to learn the ropes from Alex Smith before taking over, Purdy took over mid season because of injuries and never looked back. To me, that looks like there was no real benefit in sitting these players and they just delayed the inevitable (which could be a bust or a franchise QB)
I think it's the Josh Allen comparison effect. Josh Allen is more athletic than Cam Newton and people are hoping Maye is going to be like Josh Allen. But ya, massive reach at this point. I loved watching Cam during his hey day.
Cam was broken down and not good with the Pats. He was kind of a power runner, but he was an absolute horrible passing qb. That isn't very athletic. Maye is able to handle pressure and athletically make a good pass to pick up yards. He is a far better athlete right now that Cam was when he was with the Patriots. You need to smarten up.
So let me get this straight brockman was upset Milton was looking so good last week and he won the game but Maye was looking so average but he's happy??
Milton is clearly very raw. I like his talent, but he will need time. He has made some very bad throws that should have been picked. Maye has looked very good, your average comment is asinine. And Maye hasn't done anything stupid at all as opposed to Brissett that makes dumb mistakes constantly. The only complaint anyone could have about Maye is that a few of his passes have been slightly off. Every qb has those, but the only thing Maye needs to keep improving on is his consistency.
No No No - Strategically it's (1) Jacoby and if/when it goes south insert Maye. This way it's less pressure for the rookie. Remember this is pre-season. Good luck Pats
Be patient. Sit Maye. Unless an injury occurs to Brissette. Build the Oline first. They Got promising young WR pcs and a young stud at RB to build around. This will be a slow process. Something Pats fans not used to. Fugg this win now mentality, do it right the first time and win for a long time!
I love celebrating preseason incomplete passes. Patriots didn't do enough with all their cap space to shore up the O-Line and get a WR to help the offense.
Those are all overreactions by Brockman. You have to hope that Jerod Mayo, the coaching staff and the front office don't ruin his career before year 3.
That's the only question. Maye has proven he's a great prospect. People with football brains that have followed this already know that. The question is whether the Pats have the people running the show that can make it happen or will they screw it up.
Hammer time. Lol Tj might be my favorite person. Unfortunately im a giants fan and his cowbows have been kicking our teeth down out throat for the last several 6ears
offensive line is offensive. Let Jacoby get mauled for first 5 weeks until you can pick up guy on waivers and make O-line ok. Then put in Drake and actually have a chance to win some games.
If you didn't know where they were drafted, you would have walked out of that game thinking the Eagles Tanner McKee was the number 3 pick and Maye was drafted in the middle rounds.
Jones was kind of a Brady clone without the Brady mind. Maye is at least a QB that suits the current NFL. He's got the talent. Now we find out of he's got the mind too. he needs a coach like Reid, who walks up to Mahomes after throwing an INT, in the Superbowl, and just says, "keep firing." Maybe Jarod is that guy. Bill definitely wasn't that guy. When you see QBs regress as much as Jones did, that's on the coach not the player, in my opinion. That's a coach giving him some rope in the first year, but pulling it back in the 2nd year. I mean, you rarely see a qb have a great rookie season and then turn into a 3rd string QB. They may regress because the league has more film to study, but not as much as Jones regressed.
@@markosekulic119 You are out of touch nor are you staying in the present. It didn't ruin Tom Brady now did it? No, Mac Jones is with a different team right now. Drake Maye is not Mac Jones, so please stop with the past story and stay on the present. Thank you.
@@AndrewAddisonUniqueDrewski980 buddy if Tom Brady had in his second year Patricia and that other guy for offensive coordinator he would be ruined. You dont want to admit. 1st year Mack in playoff second year disaster and disfunction
Yes, he thew 2 perfect bombs that weren't caught. That is a good sign. The sideline pass was amazing, but the receiver couldn't catch it because he probably isn't very good. The 50 yard bomb down the middle is an easy catch for a good wr, but again the kid dropped it. Yes, people who understand football know they were great passes. Both thrown with a soft touch making it easy to catch. Doing everything else good helps.
Wtf? Maye has an OBVIOUS hitch in his throwing motion. 😅 Dude is going to get picked with that delivery. Cbs will jump those routes all day. I never noticed it at UNC. Drake BETTER fix that motion or he'll be a pick machine in the NFL. This isn't the ACC. WATCH the tape. That hitch is BAD!!! WATCH!!
The whole Patriots organization needs to be fired if they start Maye week 1. All he has is a solid running back, a weak to terrible OL, and receivers who can’t get separation. As has been said he should not see the field until at least week 10 even if there’s an injury to Brissett.
Drake will eventually get his shot to start. But the team is so bad, there is no reason to rush him.
Sure don't rush it but at the same time there is nothing better than real game time, we know they're not going to be playoff bound, so why not let him play and learn. Take this as his growth year. If he sits the most or the whole year, then he won't learn as much. Josh Allen got tossed into the fire year 1 and sure it was ugly at times, but we saw flashes. It just boils down to if the ownership, management, coaching, team, and fans can have patience, like they did with the guy in Buffalo.
We’re still better than we were this time last year, simply by virtue of Counterfeit Bill Belichick not being there anymore.
Their defense had them in literally every game last year except for two. Not bad when their offense sucked so bad.
If they had a decent O line then Drake should probably be in there. The only reason to wait is because of the fear he will get killed.
Yes but I don't want to see him get hurt like burrow. Hope they try and balance game time and protecting your guy @@ShimmyD-u7g
Overreaction friday
He is better than Mac jones. I think looked pretty good.
Saw this comment before watching and thought, "this isn't really an overreaction." Then Brockman opened his mouth 🤦🏾♀️😂
But wanted to chill on Milton??? Ok now u see what’s up
Boring,...again....but the " simple" thing to do is watch something else!!!😮
I just thought it might be better today 😢
@@sirblazing22 Of course, Mac Jones was absolutely horrible. Maye so far has been far ahead of Brissett in both preseason games. Brissett has been lousy which isn't very surprising.
Pats receivers dropped a couple nearly perfect deep balls from Maye, one probably wouldve been a TD.
It was an overthrow by a yard
@@nnjjee1the throw to baker went right through his hands…
@@nnjjee1 You need to watch that play again - if you are a WR in the NFL you need to catch that ball. That was a dime.
I’m a Patriots fan… Brockman RELAX
If brockman is predicting hall of fame and multiple titles we can now start mentally preparing for the patriots drafting the next QB of the future in 2028
Bahahahaha!
And Milton.. he us an unreal athlete
Great opening chat. Maye's footwork on the incompletion was awesome.
What we were waiting to see
More work to do but.....
I never thought Mac was that great
GoD...when is Rich coming back???
Overreactions based on pre-season games is hilarious. SIT MAYE .
and yet that pre season game showed that Kenny's career is COMPLETELY OVER - not an overreaction
I agree. There is no reason to rush. Drake may out there. Doesn’t mean sit them for multiple years. It just means take time so that he has the best chance to succeed.
It's harder to be bad in the pre season than it is to be good@@KineBuds
Your post is literally the Same thing. We all know from experience they have nothing to talk about until the real games start so they make everything a story.
@@SunniMerlot the original plan and scouting consensus was to let him marinate. It's definitely not the same kind of reaction to maintain that course lol
We don't know yet. All Coach said was that Maye made some promising progression. He didn't finalize anything yet. There's still a long way to go before week 1
I miss bill 😢
13:04 Jordan Love, Lamar Jackson, Pat Mahomes, Jared Goff, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Mike Vick, and Drew Brees all sat at least half a season, and some sat multiple years. I think the opposite of this argument is true; you're much more likely to permanently ruin a promising young QB if you throw him out there without the coaching, line, and skill guys to allow him to succeed, rather than letting him observe the game and see what he can learn from the sidelines. QBs like Payton Manning are actually the exception to the rule, rather than the expectation (since he was terrible year 1, but turned it around rather than developing terrible habits.)
❗KIRK & TJ PLEASE CREATE A PODCAST TOGETHER❗Kirk's the best. The guy's positive energy is refreshing to have on this show. He should be the full time replacement whenever Rich's out. I hate that big ear guy.
I really like this host. Dude is fun. Good one here.
God they need Rich around, he's the only one who would point out this was the PRESEASON.
We're talking about PRESEASON?
The mentioned preseason many times
He did point out that out even though I have no idea who he is.
The greatest incomplete pass in the history of the NFL was Patrick Mahomes 30 yard incomplete pass in the Superbowl vs the Bucs. HE WAS PARALLEL TO THE GROUND AND THREW IT ACCURATELY TO THE FACEMASK AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT FOR A TOUCHDOWN!!!!!
Agreed. That was astonishing.
MHEH!? I've seen better lol jk
That’s the only play I think of when I think of that Super Bowl. He was super human.
Maye played absolutely mid against second and third string Eagles defensive players (I'm a diehard Eagles fan, so I know how rough some of these guys are). Pats fans need to chill, big time
Yeah I’m. Pats fan, and I have absolutely no faith in May, he isn’t good, but a lot of pats fans thinks he’s amazing, yet the eagles qbs all looked way way better
How did two checkdowns and a designed run solidify anything? He’s still extremely raw and needs a lot of work.
200 percent true.
@@Chunkyb514 And as we just saw, Brisset can’t even handle that much!
Bull. He threw 2 perfect downfield passes. One not caught along the sideline and the other just dropped over the middle. He had poor protection, but had no problem moving away from it. He was never shaken and handled everything well. No doubt for people who know what they're watching, that he will be good. How good remains to be seen, but anyone thinking he'll bomb are wrong. I doubt you could tell from watching, but I already know he'll be good.
@@Nightlingbolt Brisset has proved to be a solid bridge/backup. You don’t want to throw Maye out there before he’s ready.
@@BaronVonMunch That is all speculative and depends on his development. There’s no doubt he’s talented. You can see it watching him, but throwing him out to the wolves before he corrects his footwork and learns to handle an NFL offense is stupidity. Most of his throws were checkdowns. You can tell the game is a little too fast for him. You don’t want him out there for a while unless you want another Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson.
I like how TJ opened up today 👍
As a Jets fan. Yea give Maye the job
Does Rodgers get more than 3 snaps this year?
Lol I pray they play that fool week 3 so we can get our lick back for Darnold and Wilson
@@michaelweeden3529 if that’s your only argument against a jets fan then that means we’re doing something right. Go cope 🤡🤡 0-17 incoming
Great job Kirk
My opinion about drake maye is to start week 1 with him. The best experience he could get is by play not in the sideline looking at other. For example CJ stroud. Times that with living now is gold. God bless all.
Lets get this Offensive line together first off lol. Maye's gonna NEED protection. Honestly, I want him to develop, learn the right way! But as we all know with any job there's nothing like live action.
Football is so good. Thank you universe for having football.
Drake maye or Joe Milton for starter so much sense!!! 👍👍💪💪
Maye has a very good chance to be the best QB in this class. People are making the same mistakes with him that they did with Herbert.
3rd at best
@@bobbykingcaffeine5010 LOL nah his floor is 2
This was a great class. Maye reminds me of favre
Laughing….🤣
cool, so he's good enough to win a lot of regular season games but no chance of anything beyond that. good to know. bright future and all that.
I feel Joe Milton deserves a shot to start as well. The best quarterback should be the starter, no matter who it is. I am more confident in Milton.
Jordan Love sat for 4 years and still had to go through growing pains last year. I like what the Pats are doing, sit Maye to start the year and let him see what game prep looks like, mid season once the playoffs are out of reach, let him play and start the development process. No one thought Herbert was ready either until they botched Tyrod's pain shot and Herbert balled out rookie year
That's an argument _against_ sitting the QBs down. It's like this: if you built a car for an 8-year-old, no 8-year-old would have the ability to multi-task, look out for traffic, pedestrians, hover over the brake while signalling. When does any individual naturally develop the ability to multi-task enough to be a QB? Around their 23rd birthday for men.
Purdy is the same age as Fields & Lawrence who yes, did benefit from not being put in too early. Lawrence is an unknown because of Urban Meyer & Fields was undermined by his coaches & roster but looked The Most NFL-ready coming out of college.
Simply put, your mind reacts to being surrounded by NFL linemen trying to sack you by going completely in to Fight or Flight panic. Zach Wilson. The very time the individual becomes capable of registering this panic but *setting it aside until the pass is off* is when they need to get in there. & we don't know where that is until it happens.
Peyton Manning had this inner switch flip mid-way in his rookie season. Once it did his INTs reduced greatly. Why? He wasn't flinging the ball in a panic like Zach Wilson anymore. If Maye is at that point, no amount of sitting on the bench will do him any good. Stroud didn't need it.
@@5percent_95isLost Mac Jones made the playoffs as a rookie. And then Bill got triggered! We don’t have to worry about Mayo getting triggered over Maye, and Brisset proved why he’s a journeyman to begin with! Maye is literally the best option now, it only makes sense to start him and let him learn from REAL GAME EXPERIENCE!!!
@@ChewsCarefully if he is ready to go week one then you start him, if not you wait until he is, it depends on the guy.he Also the pats o-line is not good so he may develop bad habits if rushed on the field too early, you can't make a franchise qb in a couple games but you can ruin one.
@@Nightlingbolt makes sense if he's in a Caleb Williams situation but maye has one of the worst skill position groups in the league and a below average o-line, so if he is not really ready the experience you're talking about will be him running for his life and developing poor habits
Maye is more talented than Love.
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, & Pat Mahomes have all had games where their first 7 passes were bad but balled out the rest of the game. They’ve also all had games where their first 7 passes were great then they lost the game.
We can’t judge either of these two QBs off a handful of plays like come on
"It's Week 2 of Pre-Season, let's not overreact."
Proceeds to gas up Maye after watching a Week2 PreSeason Game.
Reaction just like when Mac jones had a good game. True fandom gotta love it
Why do you people that know nothing waste your time. Mac Jones was always lousy. In the first year there was some hope that he would be smart enough to overcome is obvious lack of talent. By the end the that season, it was a big question as he did nothing in Dec and in the playoffs. The guy couldn't run and had a weak arm.
Maye is 6'4", has a great arm and can run. Very athletic with very good downfield accuracy. Has so far shown great poise and has been able to easily avoid rushes to make positive plays. They want to work on his consistency and have him gain experience. At this point, it is amazing to think that people out there wanted to doubt him. He's almost a perfect young qb to have. He has shown no personality disorders like some qbs have. Couldn't ask for anything more. I just hope he doesn't killed behind a horrible O line. Only reason to be cautious.
I cannot take much more of this lol.
Even Maye's biggest fans have admitted his arm and his athletic talent were not his flaws. His flaws were his ability to run an NFL level offense, which is what AVP runs and wants Maye to run. Both Maye and Milton have discussed with reporters how little they have worked in an NFL style system since Pop Warner.
With that context I ask you all, why are we freaking out when he makes a pass? We should be freaking out when he starts recognizing schemes and play calling his receivers open. That's what the Bradys and Mahomes of the league do at a high level to ensure success.
Will only say, it's hard to start Maye and then pull him
Have guard all camp how he want ready, up and down
The knock coming in was his footwork
I will let the coaches who see him day to day decide
I have faith in AVP
The entire coaching staff starts with technique
Oline, WR and QB all are being developed
Nothing beats hands-on training 🏈 🙌
Wow..... must have been watching a different game then me
As a Pats fan I agree with ur message
I don't think he should start but I thought he looked pretty good last night. His receivers had a couple drops on almost perfect deep throws that would've changed the whole narrative
He did move pretty well. The touchdown run did remind me of the guy in Buffalo
He moved very well, he handled the rush very well and most of his passes were accurate including his deep ones. Maybe a couple of passes were off, other than that it was all very good. Brissett was horrible like he was last week and most of his career.
@@BaronVonMunch BOT
Many are comparing Maye's ceiling directly to Josh Allen in Buffalo.
People don't understand Allen is 1 of 1
Chris jumping in at 5:33 just sent me 😆He and TJ are the best part of this show.
I wish I would’ve seen this comment before viewing. Was gonna say the same thing 😂
It's not about "winning the job," I don't care if he's suddenly Josh Allen; it's about being able to protect him so that he isn't injured or set back. It's not difficult to understand. The current O-line is not capable of that.
The people who know what they're talking about are saying this. The main question here is the O line. Brissett may be the worst of all qbs they have. Zappe has shown more in his brief career. Milton has more talent, but will make a lot of mistakes. Maye is far more talented and looks very poised. Main question is his consistency. But we will need to make sure he will have some time to operate.
Before the draft as a huge patriots fan, I was saying I really hope we get Drake. Or Jaden. I believe both of them will be much better than Caleb. I was hoping Drake only because I think Jaden will be plagued by injuries. He got taken out of college games for getting hit hard. He’s very skinny. Potential to be phenomenal though. Seeing Drake make a few of those throws last night was amazing. Joel klatt had him at 2 for a reason. He’s only 21 and he can make throws that some veteran QBs can’t. Oh yeah, and he can run. Lol. When he’s 24, he won’t even be in his prime. He’s very accurate and he can run. That’s a nightmare for defenses. Patriots have something very special with him. Three years from now I think they will be making a run in the playoffs.
I said all this BEFORE the draft. Had Maye as the top QB coming out Pats need to sit out Maye as much as possible and then draft the top o lineman coming out and get the best free agent o lineman they can . And a # 1 receiver .They can compete for a super bowl in 2 to 3 years
The question is not who is a better QB, the question is how good is the OL.
IMHO, until the Pats can field a decent OL, Maye shouldn't see the field.
Yeah, that's making Jacobi the sacrificial lamb , but the simple fact of the matter is that the NFL has countless examples of highly drafted QB's crashing and burning because their OL sucked and they got hammered too many times. Which meant they started feeling pressure when it wasn't there.
This in part, was what happened to Mac Jones. Yeah, the coaching after McDaniels left was bad, but that doesn't explain why he had the same problems under Bill O'Brian. The hits made the difference.
As a RAVENS fan who endured about 15 years of PATRIOTS dominance, it's good to see them (PATRIOTS) rebuilding and not a guarantee roadblock for my favorite NFL TEAM. Salute 🫡 to a long, miserable rebuild all you PATRIOTS fans, you all can get ready for the 2025 NFL DRAFT, this season is already over. 😂😂😂
Brockman when talking about the Pats is "almost" worst than listening to Nick Wright talking about the Chiefs. I have to mute them both. Just hyperbole, biased & nonsense!
it's pretty obviously I'm just having fun. I literally said yesterday to sit Maye all year! -Brockman
@@RichEisenShow I personally LOVE IT! Keep it up, was SUPER funny about TJs eye's being bad😂😂 anyways you might be on to something. You called that Celtics run last year 🤷🏾♂️
@@RichEisenShow I like that being compared to Wright prompts a response, Homers stand up!
If you watch the show consistently you’d know he is just messing around. I’m with you on Nick Wright tho, he is most definitely not just messing around. I already hated the Chiefs but he puts the cherry on top. Screw the Chiefs and screw Nick Wright.
Pains me to say it, but that's probably what multiple SBs will do to a fan base
Any young QB could have run it in on that read option. There was no one in position to make a rackle. Could have trotted in.
47 yds vs with the 1s vs the 2s....wow how the standard has fallen
Watch the games.
The Patriot 1s are like 3s on other teams. Brissett also went 3-7 with an INT with those same starters
@@mr.t3782 We did, most of those yards were YAC on the screen pass. He showed he can call plays, snap the ball, and deliver it. Anyone who has been paying attentions knows Maye himself confirmed he hasn't run an NFL style offense. Think Milton even said to reporters he hadn't since Pop Warner. People have to relax, we knew he had a good arm and legs that was never the reason to start or sit him.
Yes the Pats are winning the next ten super bowls...Maye will be the greatest individual in the known universe not alone a great QB. Let's make all the bust now...
Common Brock, Milton was so much more dynamic and entertaining the Drake. It sucks we wasted a first round pick on Maye but I'll take the junior Cam Newton in Milton any day, He's the TRUTH.
Drake Maye may be the real deal. The defense is legit. But no RBs and mediocre WRs means the Pats will still struggle. Start Maye maybe in the second half.
everyone knew Maye could be good later. he was always the "Needs work" QB. this is ridiculous off of a preseason game where people are giving like 10%
Not just the effort level but also over a third of the players will be out of the league or on practice squads in 2 weeks.
If you think those second stringers arnt giving it all, you don’t understand being competitive or loving the game you play. A guy who gives 10% gets cut.
I do agree it’s just a preseason game though and it’s going to take more than even 1 season to really start to judge Maye.
I guarantee you every backup player is giving 100% the coaches are keeping things vanilla but the backups are all trying their hardest 😂 what an asinine take
Ya so was Herbert. How do I have a feeling drake will come in a couple weeks in a dominate, you can’t keep huge athletic qbs with a cannon on the sidelines for very long
Yes players in jeopardy of being cut and out of jobs are giving 10%😂
WE'RE BACK BABY!!! HAHAHA PATS NATION 👏
That pass deep to baker was a dime
I always root for young QB’s to succeed. Then Brockman opened his mouth..
Fix the O line.
I could not care less about this team and their QB situation but here are my $0.02.
It's ok to play your rookie QB as long as the fans and ownership understand the situation. If it's about him getting reps, real game experience, against NFL players, that's fine.
The problem is that it rarely goes that way. The media and fans would criticize him for every mistake he makes.
There is no real answer to the sit him or play him question. Jordan Love sat for way too long, Stroud was great as a rookie, Mahomes got one year to learn the ropes from Alex Smith before taking over, Purdy took over mid season because of injuries and never looked back. To me, that looks like there was no real benefit in sitting these players and they just delayed the inevitable (which could be a bust or a franchise QB)
it's 1 pre-season game...
Im happy that maye did well and the potiental is there but simmer down chris
Short answer, no. Long answer, Hell No!
Your job as a coach is to be more
Belichick-like when dealing with
the media.
The spin on Drake's ball sure could use some work!
This dude said drake maye was more athletic than cam newton lol
I think it's the Josh Allen comparison effect. Josh Allen is more athletic than Cam Newton and people are hoping Maye is going to be like Josh Allen. But ya, massive reach at this point. I loved watching Cam during his hey day.
Cam was broken down and not good with the Pats. He was kind of a power runner, but he was an absolute horrible passing qb. That isn't very athletic. Maye is able to handle pressure and athletically make a good pass to pick up yards. He is a far better athlete right now that Cam was when he was with the Patriots. You need to smarten up.
@@ShimmyD-u7g Cam wasn't close to his hey day when he was with the Pats which is why the original comment was ridiculously stupid.
Please please wait until that OL is decent. Look what happened in Cincinnati.
Bill cut Cam because Cam was posting on Social Media that he was the #1. Bill does not tolerate that level of ego. So, it was bye bye Cam!
So let me get this straight brockman was upset Milton was looking so good last week and he won the game but Maye was looking so average but he's happy??
Milton is clearly very raw. I like his talent, but he will need time. He has made some very bad throws that should have been picked. Maye has looked very good, your average comment is asinine. And Maye hasn't done anything stupid at all as opposed to Brissett that makes dumb mistakes constantly. The only complaint anyone could have about Maye is that a few of his passes have been slightly off. Every qb has those, but the only thing Maye needs to keep improving on is his consistency.
Maye looks like a steal at #3 pick🎉
Meaning he should've been 2nd or 1st?
How is it a steal? Lol he was the 3rd pick😂
Maye is going to play. Jacoby isnt going to make it the entire season
PLEASE..PLEASE!.....PLEASE!!! DO NOT START DRAKE PLEEAASE!!!!
No No No - Strategically it's (1) Jacoby and if/when it goes south insert Maye. This way it's less pressure for the rookie. Remember this is pre-season. Good luck Pats
Be patient. Sit Maye. Unless an injury occurs to Brissette. Build the Oline first. They Got promising young WR pcs and a young stud at RB to build around. This will be a slow process. Something Pats fans not used to. Fugg this win now mentality, do it right the first time and win for a long time!
What happen to rich
Brockman literally JUST said he doesn’t wanna see DM this season. Now he’s a HOF ? 😂😂 cmon brockman
"Win" lmao wow such tough competition 😂
I love celebrating preseason incomplete passes. Patriots didn't do enough with all their cap space to shore up the O-Line and get a WR to help the offense.
Mac never had half the talent Drake has
I hated the Mac pick from the moment it was made
I nominate Steve Grogan. ;pD
Patriot's offense will be unwatchable again
Those are all overreactions by Brockman. You have to hope that Jerod Mayo, the coaching staff and the front office don't ruin his career before year 3.
That's the only question. Maye has proven he's a great prospect. People with football brains that have followed this already know that. The question is whether the Pats have the people running the show that can make it happen or will they screw it up.
Hammer time. Lol Tj might be my favorite person. Unfortunately im a giants fan and his cowbows have been kicking our teeth down out throat for the last several 6ears
offensive line is offensive. Let Jacoby get mauled for first 5 weeks until you can pick up guy on waivers and make O-line ok. Then put in Drake and actually have a chance to win some games.
Why don't you guy ever turn on the lights?
Prisoner of the moment? You are saying this guy is better in his feet than Cam Newton? Think about your words before you say them
When cam played for the pats he was far from his prime
He needs to sit and develop behind a vet. So sick of rookies being thrown to the wolves.
If you didn't know where they were drafted, you would have walked out of that game thinking the Eagles Tanner McKee was the number 3 pick and Maye was drafted in the middle rounds.
No…
Jones was kind of a Brady clone without the Brady mind. Maye is at least a QB that suits the current NFL. He's got the talent. Now we find out of he's got the mind too. he needs a coach like Reid, who walks up to Mahomes after throwing an INT, in the Superbowl, and just says, "keep firing." Maybe Jarod is that guy. Bill definitely wasn't that guy. When you see QBs regress as much as Jones did, that's on the coach not the player, in my opinion. That's a coach giving him some rope in the first year, but pulling it back in the 2nd year. I mean, you rarely see a qb have a great rookie season and then turn into a 3rd string QB. They may regress because the league has more film to study, but not as much as Jones regressed.
If Maye is the QB1 in that offense. He’ll be ruined.
Possibly, depends on the O line. They should have done more in free agency there because it could slow everything down.
Negativity won't get you anywhere. He won't be ruined.
@@AndrewAddisonUniqueDrewski980Patriots ruined Mack Jones, soo they dont know how coach young qb or let them succeed
@@markosekulic119 You are out of touch nor are you staying in the present. It didn't ruin Tom Brady now did it? No, Mac Jones is with a different team right now. Drake Maye is not Mac Jones, so please stop with the past story and stay on the present. Thank you.
@@AndrewAddisonUniqueDrewski980 buddy if Tom Brady had in his second year Patricia and that other guy for offensive coordinator he would be ruined. You dont want to admit. 1st year Mack in playoff second year disaster and disfunction
The best QB out there last night was from the IVY League 😂
Drake Maye throws a "pretty" incompletion in a preseason game.
Brockman: Plan the parade route. 🤣
Yes, he thew 2 perfect bombs that weren't caught. That is a good sign. The sideline pass was amazing, but the receiver couldn't catch it because he probably isn't very good. The 50 yard bomb down the middle is an easy catch for a good wr, but again the kid dropped it. Yes, people who understand football know they were great passes. Both thrown with a soft touch making it easy to catch. Doing everything else good helps.
"most athletic qb in ne history" as if cam didn't play there. cmon now
Nobody believes in patience anymore smh. Preseason still tricking people
Every single Patriots QB got outplayed by Kenny Pickett lmfao.
Wtf? Maye has an OBVIOUS hitch in his throwing motion. 😅 Dude is going to get picked with that delivery. Cbs will jump those routes all day. I never noticed it at UNC. Drake BETTER fix that motion or he'll be a pick machine in the NFL. This isn't the ACC. WATCH the tape. That hitch is BAD!!! WATCH!!
And this is what we call a huge overreaction and hot take garbage.
I guess he was impressive...against guys that'll be sitting on the couch in a couple weeks...
Do not rush Maye to play because Mac was in the same situation with Cam Newton… and Mac became the most hated in NFL nation
The whole Patriots organization needs to be fired if they start Maye week 1. All he has is a solid running back, a weak to terrible OL, and receivers who can’t get separation. As has been said he should not see the field until at least week 10 even if there’s an injury to Brissett.
I agree. Sit and develop him. The fact that he looks like he has the tools for the job just makes me more excited for the future.
Overreaction Friday!!!
Mac Jones got broken by a horrible coaching staff. Hopefully he can recover.
Brockman the 🤡
Drake Maye is the ''most athletic'' QB the patriots have ever had??? Joe Milton days hello!!!
Fun to watch. But gzzz. Relax Lol. Maye played a preseason game/half-ish LOL
Is this a parody? Celebrating 6-11 and a walk in TD?