The great Evernote reboot | The Vergecast
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Peak Evernote was roughly a decade ago. Since then, the product has often felt stagnant (or worse), the company churned through executives and business plans, and it seemed like Evernote was slowly turning into a zombie app. Not gone, not even forgotten, just sort of... there. For the third and final installment in our series about productivity and digital life, we sit down with Federico Simionato, the Evernote product lead at Bending Spoons. We talk about the acquisition process, how he perceives Evernote in today’s landscape, what it took to start shipping new stuff again, why Bending Spoons changed the subscription price, and much more.
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The core functionality of Evernote has changed. Instead of being the absolute best pure note taking app it’s trying to be a Notion knockoff-but worse. The way it handles text is terrible. The visual design is a giant step backwards with regard to basic layout. Bullet points don’t scale with text size! The one thing it does better than its competitors is tables. If you really want to make Evernote better, allow users to turn off some of the help “features.”
I completely agree. The Evernote legacy editor was the best of all versions. I use font size 18 for all my notes. Why can't I set this as the default?
v6 was almost perfection. I hated that they changed it at all. If they had just left it as it was, I would not have minded...
100%
Exclentt! And better yet, you can bring back those American jobs you stole.
judgmentcallpodcast covers this. Evernote rebooted after decade's peak.
Evernote last year made it impossible to export all your notes and then dramatically raised their rates. Effectively holding your notes hostage. This is very anti-user. No guarantee they won't continue to raise their prices. Don't trust your notes with this service.
i think you can still export all your notes (notebook by notebook or all notebooks at once i think)
They support two export formats. Single Web Page, or .ENEX which is an XML format specifically stated for moving notes to other applications. Also they have control over what attributes are included.
OP, you really don't know anything about Evernote, do you?
Would you please clarify in what way they made it impossible to export all notes and how it has been different before? Thanks.
Yes I agree, a terrible practice, hold the users notes hostage is a great description, what else could it be? You tell me Evernote for the 50 note export limit
@@RicBretyou cannot export your notes at once, only notebook by notebook which is terrible
For backing up obviously
I am absolutely agree with the topic starter
I've been a paid user for over a decade, and I went through the painful transition stage when they first took over and it was almost unusable. I was going to quit, but they made improvements and now I'm quite happy with it. It's still pretty slow on my pixel 8 and PC, but listening here I'm pleasantly optimistic about their intentions. At least this guy seems genuinely passionate any the product.
More than twelve years paying Evernote. Never anymore. Lot of money for something that doesn't work. Evernote doesn't work in my tablet or phone Xiaomi. I'm looking for alternatives
What really got me steamed was all the formatting on 12+ years of software dev notes suddenly going away. That wouldn't be too bad except that the option to disable auto-formatting went away too (e.g. #, ##, and ### turning the line into a header, or "---" turning into horizontal dividers, etc). Not only that, but there's no way to specify a default font anymore either: I would probably pay 1000 bucks to just change the default to Consolas (the default for ALL notes I mean - I know you can do one note, but there's no way to set defaults, or configure multiple notes at once, etc. The ONLY way to get Consolas back on all my source code in Evernote is one.... note.... at.... a.... time. Damn, bra!
IDEA: Why not just give each Notebook a customizable .css file or something? That would be DOPE AF!
@@kovaliov7 Upnote us MUCH cheaper, about 100 times faster, and imports notes from Evernote. The only thing that stops me from switching is because I have hundreds of internal links between notes, and those can't transfer to another app. For anyone who doesn't have many links between notes, I strongly recommend Upnote.
me too more than a decade. I think now it is great tool! I never quit...
Evernote is in downonly mode. UI is terrible, it's slow and clunky, and as of a couple of years ago, extremely overpriced. I'm currently in the process of migrating everything to Notion and Obsidian. Not a trivial undertaking (~15k notes) but there's no other option at this point.
After 12 years paid, this force to new V4 version is HORRIBLE... I hate to, but I'm going to have to jump ship b4 i have a heart attack... SERIOUSLY... they lost a banking journal attached i needed, just this week, after same issues over a year now... Random & SCARY! NEVER had such issues with previous versions. I need to go in a hunt for better s/w. YUK
수고 많습니다. 애버노트를 사랑하는 사용자입니다. 오랜 기간동안 에버노트를 사용하는데 점점 사용자 중심의 애버노트가 아니고 공급자중심의 애버노트가 되고 있습니다. 구성을 바꾸고 진화는 하는 것도 기존 사용자에게 많은 불편을 초래한다면 바람직 하지 않습니다. 안드로이드폰을 사용하고 알림기능 내림차순 기능에서 최근 알림부터 정렬이 되지 않아서 요청을 드렸는데 오래도록 고처지지 않고 있습니다. 사용자중심의 애버노트가 되기를 희망합니다.
It may be hard to believe, but I have been a user of Evernote for more than a decade.
My diary entry from 2010 marks the beginning of this journey.
Although I've considered switching to OneNote or Notion at times, I invariably return to Evernote.
My hope is that Evernote continues to value its long-term users and regains its former glory.
I used Evernote for years, but at some point, they decided to charge us more and on a monthly basis! So, I switched to Apple Notes without any regret!
Same here after 13 years ✌️
Same. After more than a decade of paying for Evernote, that last price increase was just insulting. I’m now using both Apple Notes and Bear, pondering just going full Apple Notes. Anyone know a good way to export my remaining notes from Evernote *without* losing attachments?
It is sort of stupid that they decided to increase the price just because it was 7 years since the last price increase. Increase it, but do it slowly. How can anyone digest a 3x price?
Also, when you mention new features, who the heck asked you for them? We were happy as it is. You are charging us for features we don't need and may never use. Scannable for iOS has become a pain now (wow, higher prices and lesser features).
where is written 3X the price ? actual Personal 100€/year,
@@BernhardGramberg so what was the actual increase?
I'm not even going to watch 57 minutes, I'm definitely replacing Evernote. I am using it for EVERTYTHING and depend on it, but it is so slow it eats hours of my life. The price is outrageous. I am ditching it and it will be a painful process, but I look at it as overcoming an addiction.
I second that. Still a paying user but look at it as overcoming an addiction. Every note I touch I move to Apple Notes. So using Apple Notes more and more overtime. And less and less of Evernote. 2 reasons:
1) crazy price while there are free and lower price alternatives
2) slow and glitchy af, requires like m2 iPad and latest iPhone to work with bearable speed… and it’s NOTE TAKING APP, not a flight simulator!
@@rareYTuser in the last 2 weeks or so they introduced 3-4 new bugs to the Mac version that drive me crazy, like the unstable in-note search. I am not ready to put up with their quality any longer. I am using my notes for work, all day. Testing UpNote, it seems a good alternative.
9:06 all you've done is piss existing customers and try to squeeze them.
As a new Evernote user and someone new to note-taking, I found this interview very interesting. For me, Evernote is worth the money because it handles my notes, to-do tasks, and calendar (synched with google calendar) all in one app. The interface is nice and the organization is simple. It definetly helps to hide some of the functinalities I don't need from the side bar. Notion, on the other hand, feels too overwhelming, even with pre-made templates that just do not work as well.
Evernote works really well for me. I have used it for years. I haven't tried the new calendar, daily diary and reminders yet. I will let Evernote make sure those features are robust. I store numerous notes and web- captures.
Damn you, I had reduced all my use of Evernote down to web-clipper. I switched to Apple Notes. Which is...fine. Just okay. This VC episode made me take a peek back at EN which turned into a 2 hour rabbit-hole. Damn you, damn you damn you...
Wonder which app had the greater fall-off, Evernote or Dropbox
Evernote, very obviously. Dropbox is chugging along fine: 2.5B revenue and ~15% profit.
Why not open up an API? Let developers connect to Evernote, I think it could explode, especially if EN get a % comm from apps.
Moved to NotePlan after YEARS with Evernote. Still listening here and not hearing anything really that makes we want to go back. CEO is still fluffing around with big words and no real simple differentiators.
Very good! I'm an Evernote heavy user since 2013. The core note taking, all stuff off one subject in the same note, simple search is the core. I have all my life inside this thing an I want it paid, stable an long lyfe. As said in this podcast. Thank you.
It’s hard not to laugh at Evernote’s policy of "I’ll talk, you listen," where they post hour-long conversations in full, despite the fact that users aren’t really interested. There are shorts that can capture the key points, after all. I’ve been using Evernote for over ten years because I couldn’t migrate countless notes, but I’m ready to leave without any regrets. The slow startup often makes me forget what I was supposed to write, and the issue of letters lagging or disappearing when typing in non-English languages has been unresolved for the past decade.
2 device to 1 device in free plan of evernote. Great decision
I held out as long as I could and used Evernote thru 2022. After becoming incredibly bloated and overpriced, I switched to upnote in 2023 and never looked back. The final straw was the absurdity of the pricing. I can’t see myself going back unless it’s affordable and has a stable future.
The same here. I held out as long as I could, too. The thought of having to migrate thousands of notes kept me using Evernote, but it got to the point (bloated, pricing) where I couldn't ignore it anymore. I also switched to UpNote, and just recently added Notion as well. Switching costs for these types of apps are high, and you have to really screw it up to have users actually switch.
Please make notes open at the end were I left off and not the beginning
相変わらす、８月と12月（12月の分はまだ未経験）の暴走月間は続いているようです。
今回の某層はソフト再インストールまでやっちゃってくれましたね！それも１回アクセスする度に暴走するもんだからアクセスする度にインストールし直したので合計20回以上やり直しました
新機能なんていらないから現状の状態でアクセスしやすくしてください
I didn't expect The Verge to talk about Evernote for an hour.
Make another, useful, video in 2 years if Bending Spoons ever does manage to salvage Evernote.
Right now it is stagnant, if not petrified.
It may never actually be recovered & modernized.
I wonder if you checked it for the last few months 🤔
I was paying for Evernote for several years mostly because of multi device sync. Once I had to change the payment method and it appeared impossible without going to new (few times more expensive) plan. I did not need or want any new features so I migrated couple of thousands note somewhere else.
Where did you migrate to, and how do you like it in comparison to EN?
wohin migriert
Evernote is my go-to app for maintaining various types of notes. I like the features; although there are some that I do not use, the choice is available. I don't mind paying for an app I enjoy using if the price remains reasonable. Maintaining a robust note system for many novice and experienced customers should have several subscription plans as you do. After all, how would the developers and programmers get paid for their extensive work in providing a multiple-featured notekeeping system? I have been using my account since 2014 and like it the best compared to others that I have tried. Thanks for the video. Keep up the excellent service.
Last I checked Evernote has waaaaaay too much debt to NOT try and save the company with a billion haphazard and half baked gimmicks.
Evernote was life. Then, suddenly, I hated it. Good to know it's getting a new life.
Evernote has always been dropping off, and doing what they want. It’s literally missing what it’s customers want and need, sadly it’s the same like The Verge. Do a video on Evernote alternatives, top Ten note storage apps, maybe go back to be the old verge or upload a podcast that wasn’t helpful.
I would love to understand how many users are interested in handwriting notes and OCR. Loved Penultimate functionality. Now most of my notes, which are handwritten, are in Goodnotes 6 which is awesome.
Handwriting OCR is the main reason I use EN
Great info - been using the app for 15 years... love it! Thanks
I have been an Evernote user since 2011. I wish they would allow your personal and business account windows to be open at the same time. It does help with my ADD I admit
I really like Evernote. I was a free user for many years. Started paying this year and I haven’t regretted it. The product is much better than before in terms of design and stability.
It is much slower on desktop and phone
Evernote has always been the OG for me. It was my Notes App.
Bending spoons is a terrible company. Killed filmicpro
useless one hour listening. Where is the beef ?
Just use Obsidian.
7:30 if after Two-decades you are still asking about what EN is for? Then the plot is already lost.
Постоянно идут обновления. Что говорит о внутренних дефектах программы вследствие работы бездарных программистов. Программа неплохая вследствие простоты использования. Пользуюсь около 8 лет. Изменился слегка только дизайн. Зачем-то рекламируют никому ненужный фальшивый искусственный интеллект. Вы лучше свой улучшите. Чем трындеть пустыми фразами, из затасканного учебника по маркетингу.
I really like Evernote. It does all the job for me, and the new features are excellent, like audio and image transcriptions, which have helped notate videos, for instance. Federico really listens to his customers, as most of my requests in a welcome email were attended to. What he says in this interview certainly makes me more confident to keep Evernote for years ahead. There is, of course, room for improvement, but I get the sense Evernote is in the right direction.
Now, it really baffles me how many people appear on videos about Evernote to comment they're happy elsewhere. But why do they bother to listen to a full interview about Evernote if they don´t care?
유료구독기간이 남았음에도 노션으로 옮겼다. 빠릿하던 동기화는 느려지고 고객서비스도 이상해졌다
I was looking to migrate to Apple notes when Bending Spoons acquired it. Immediately updates occurred to fix irritating bugs. Yes a bit pricey but so is everything else!!!
I've used Evernote since 2011. I don't need some of the new tools, task management, calendar etc. I have other tools for that. I just want to store my notes as a digital filing cabinet. Scannable for EN was great, but now charges. I can't remember exactly what was the functionality that was dropped that made it more difficult to use, but hopefully it'll be getting back to the core of the original product, maybe with the facility to hide all the bits we don't need.
Outrageous price increases (more than microsoft office!). Arrogant customer response when you can get some. Bloated software. I will also be ditching this in the next few months before my subscription expire. I wish Evernote good luck in their future bankruptcy
Now Evernote is taking hell of time to type and edit notes. Earlier, it was available in synchronised way on smartphone and laptop as well. However, now its availability for a user is limited to only one gadget despite paying a premium annual fee. These issues need to be addressed if Evernote wants to retain its customers in users.
I've used Evernote for years and still do on occasion to see my old notes. I switch over to Notion. I did it because Evernote constantly removed basic features while pushing their subscription. For my use, there was no need to pay for a bunch of features that I don't even use.
Yep. I have notes from 2012. It's become kind of a life-history-journal at this point. 😂 I pay for premium and honestly don't mind. For the all in one style "second brain" type of set up, it's beyond worth it for me. Multiple businesses and multiple kids...I can at least remotely function at this point thanks to EN.
sure this might have been addressed but how do you share a note with someone that doesn't have a login. used to be able to send a web link and would just take them to a web page? At some point this changed. This has been a big obstacle for me and i work with many different groups both internal and external. Also wish the camera would zoom in and out like the phone camera
Please add support for Right to Left languages (RTL).
For me, from now on, the focus should be on integrating AI features. Thanks for working hard on this product and not letting it collapse!
Continued API support and access is key to EN survival
I almost gave up but the newest updates have been very good
Now you can only use 1 device at a time. Time to export all my notes. Anyone has alternatives?
I miss the old features such as : sync button, locking sorted each notebook differently. Other than that, the old version is simple, light, and user friendly in any device. I don't understand why suddenly so many changes happen. Why don't you make another app instead?
But I appreciate new feature that show us if one notes is opened by multi user, it avoids conflict notes.
I hope you could learn that sometimes light, easy, and friendly app is preferable than the complex one. And yes, the price is quite high.
On mobile swap down on list to sync.
why it takes so long to "unfreeze" after i open evernote, click all notes, and then want to open latest note.. i need to wait about 3-5 sec before it allow me to click, and open note. I have android Samsung s23 ultra, phone performance is not issue, i have 4000 notes.. but i usualy work with last 1-3 latest notes and dont need to load all the 4000 notes ...
any comment mention about notion?
its a pkm level talk at least
WAY WAY WAY too many ads for such niche content value
Way too greedy. Endless paywalls, 1 device on free account. Switched to Google Drive.
Agreed! But I had no choice because I was already invested when they made the paywalls and I needed it. I've been looking for options.
The latest jaw-dropping change of connecting "up to" 1 device for the free tier was the last straw for me. After being a user for more than 10 years, I'm moving all my remaining notes to other places and probably won't look back. IMO the current pricing model is very questionable. A note-taking service that doesn't offer a minimum sync between devices is absurd in current market. Moreover the lowest pay tier is CA$13.33/month, which is comparable to premium subscriptions such as Netflix, RUclips and Apple TV+. Hopefully you are still retaining enough heavy users who find the monthly fee worthwhile, because it just seems to me that Evernote is trying to fail faster.
where did you moved to ?
@@BernhardGramberg mainly to Notion, and GitHub repos for more static notes
Evernote got really stupid in the mid 2010s. I moved to OneNote and never looked back.
뭐라는겨
I used Evernote since 2012 and it was the best and my only note taking app. Fast forward to yesterday was the day I had to part ways with Evernote. It has become a slow, too pricey, and limiting the synced devices. Thank God exporting notes and importing to other app was a breeze. Bye Evernote
What app do you use now?
@@blairstanfield231congrats
What made it easy to export your notes? So many others are saying it was difficult. I’m a senior and while not great with exporting tasks, I’m not sure I can do it myself. Any suggestions to make it easier? Thanks
where did you moved to ?
Beginning a productivity podcast with "sorry we're late" is hilarious, thumbs up. Naming one's company "Bending Spoons" after a famous con-man is ... an interesting choice ...
Thank you for your hard work. I am a user who loves Evernote. I have been using Evernote for a long time, and it is increasingly becoming a provider-oriented rather than a user-oriented Evernote. Changing the configuration and evolving is not desirable if it causes a lot of inconvenience to existing users. I use an Android phone and the notification function doesn't sort the most recent notifications in descending order. I requested this, but it hasn't been fixed for a long time. We hope to become a user-centered Evernote.
Everyone has switched from Evernote lol. For those looking for something industry-specific, Immersive Translate now allows you to customize your own AI expert, it also allows translations in the technology field become more accurate and professional.
I’ve got some old notes in Evernote and they use some of the most annoying deceptive UX to try and get me to pay whenever I log in. Definitely not using them going forward.
I’m waiting for Apple Notes and the AI of Apple Intelligence to come to fruition. Probably middle of 2025. Then I’m gonna offload all my Evernote into Apple notes and get rid of my subscription to Evernote.
NOONE CARES
Glad to see you back! reuse after 10 years!
I’m fine using Apple Notes, Calendar, and Reminders as my productivity tools
🎉
Being that’s Bending Spoons an AI company I’ve come to realize Federico is not a real person but an AI as is 90% of the staff. Federico’s graphics are incredible on his “Where We Are at Evernote” RUclips videos.
Odd how an Ai managed to go Kite surfing on Lake Como recntly.....just saying...