I wonder how this may affect some of things we usually do in PHP like user authentication/authorization for example. also, what about memory optimization, It's always a tradeoff between make things faster and make it less resource hungry. One must think twice before using Octane or similar tech. Thanks Aaron!
Aaron, I watched your planetscale MySql videos and I don't use MySql. Now I watch your Laravel videos and I think I only wrote a couple of php lines for Uni like 7 years ago. Looking forward to all your content!
@@GalaxyGazer929 Aaron did videos for PlanetScale's RUclips channel - they are a company that host MySQL databases in the cloud for you. Aaron has a fantastic ability to explain a problem with both its motivation and beautiful solution. Genuinely found it so helpful for my own MySQL work, even though we don't use PlanetScale. Go look up their RUclips channel for the vids. 😊
I know you may hear this a lot, but I watch your content gracefully and am not a PHP developer. Great work! And by the way, I must say that the PHP community has many cool people.
I've always wondered something about PHP - since it has to "boot" the application on each request, does it actually load all the PHP files that are included/required each time or does it cache them somehow with file watching so it recognizes changes to files? PHP seems to run so fast, but I/O operations are expensive.
I'd really really like to use this but only for a new green field project ... There's a lot of hidden gotchas that I don't fully understand how it will impact the system and also a third party ecosystem. Octane breaks the default shared nothing architecture imo and it's a bit scary for me. I think the only way is to bite the bullet it and try to fix the issues as they appear in production ...
Yup you can use it in production quite easily! Especially with Forge. You just need to make sure you reload your workers on deploy as mentioned (just like your queue workers)
it's because of you Mr Francis... now I'm here trying to understand why I've made the choice that I've made... re-learn laravel and watch mad max's high octanes. One person enters, a wiser one leaves
Thanks Aaron! I watched this video with great pleasure. The way you introduce Octane, as well as other arguments, is as always so easy to understand. Well done
This series has way too much internal jargon. Thins are referred to using insider knowledge that new users will know nothing about. That's super unhelpful.
Everyone just shows the default localhost tutorial. I found that it's stupidly obscure to configure in a prod server environment. The default address and port doesn't seem to work, when it set to to https it doesn't like the certificates and so on. After many variations I still couldn't get it to work in prod.
Nah, not for me. What makes Laravel great is it has a lot of first party package and that's the same reason that it makes the worst framework - it's just selfish, I like Symfony more
Everyone's saying "you should approach writing your code differently with Octane" and I couldn't agree more... But how different exactly? Maybe, a screencast of turning some legacy app into an Octane-grade one with all the nuances explained? 😅
Very nice video, and great explanation, looking forward to see more videos about octane, especially the process of installing and configuring it on server
How to use it in production?. I am using VPS. I need to do php artisan octane:start, then what. How so i point my domain to this ?. Or do i still needs nginx/apache to catch the request and forward it ?.
Been using octane on a project since August, and gotta say, it's surprisingly easy to get up and running. Haven't felt the performance yet but I imagine that'll come in handy once it goes live. Also, Octane tables with Swoole rocks!
It's so cool that Laravel has this now! Magento/Adobe Commerce just released their new application server that is based on OpenSwoole and has the same idea.
As always great content, appreciate all the content you do. We all would love to see some series on databases from basis to becoming expert on databases.
Me at 6:50 : Why is it not on by default ? Aaron at 7:00 : the question is going to be why would you not use Octane? Moral of the story, wait for the end before asking any question on Aaron videos 😂
@@aarondfrancis thanks for the reply but I mean more like measurable catches like minimum RAM is increased or something like that and if it's not at all, well, with all due respect the "code slightly different" might be just a micro catch for a higher purpose. again, thanks in advance.
Sure, with what on it? Sweet summertime jams or something else? If you want a "what is Laravel" playlist you need only to look at my channel, as that already exists 🤝
Best explainer of Octane. You're a really good educator. I have a project that I'm working on that will benefit from this greatly. Best to do it now while it's just getting started. Also, sqlite when? ;)
@aarondfrancis It's tedious to get dark mode right in the browser for simple examples. Matching the IDE theme to the browser background just seems smoother. Maybe I'm just nitpicking, though. Anyway, I love your phoenix moment-it's truly inspirational for all of us grinding away! Your attention to detail, even down to matching themes, showcases your resilience. Keep up the great work; there are many of us rooting for you!
You're one of the best tech content creators out there. I don't even write PHP but I still watch your videos.
That makes me so happy. Thank you!
I second this. Still got no interest in PHP but Aaron is always worth listening to - who knows when one of these gems of knowledge will pay off.
Yall are too kind. I appreciate it!
Aaron++
Same here 😅
I wonder how this may affect some of things we usually do in PHP like user authentication/authorization for example.
also, what about memory optimization, It's always a tradeoff between make things faster and make it less resource hungry.
One must think twice before using Octane or similar tech.
Thanks Aaron!
Lets gooooo!
I click like before I watch, and I don't even use PHP
You're a good egg 🫡
Aaron, I watched your planetscale MySql videos and I don't use MySql.
Now I watch your Laravel videos and I think I only wrote a couple of php lines for Uni like 7 years ago.
Looking forward to all your content!
You're the best. Thank you for stopping by!
@@aarondfrancis what are planetscale MySql videos? I'm unable to find them on your channel?
@@GalaxyGazer929 They're on planetscale's channel. He used to be a host there.
@@GalaxyGazer929 Aaron did videos for PlanetScale's RUclips channel - they are a company that host MySQL databases in the cloud for you. Aaron has a fantastic ability to explain a problem with both its motivation and beautiful solution. Genuinely found it so helpful for my own MySQL work, even though we don't use PlanetScale. Go look up their RUclips channel for the vids. 😊
@@GalaxyGazer929 Aaron used to work for Planetscale, so he has a lot of videos over on their channel.
our boy is back
It's our time baby
I know you may hear this a lot, but I watch your content gracefully and am not a PHP developer. Great work! And by the way, I must say that the PHP community has many cool people.
Thank you!
1. Got recommended
2. watched your video
3. subscribed
😮💨😮💨 thank you
same here
laravel octane is great until client asks you to put on shared hosting
Ha that does sound painful
dudeeeeee no wayyyy I was searching for laravel octane just 5 min before this video
I gotchu
barryvdh debugbar is very buggy with swoole, because it doesnt clear memory
So good content man, I really wonder why not yet hit 500K, under rated channel, deservesss sooo sooo moree!
with octane frankenphp (or any other) multinenancy (subdomain) becomes a nightmare, curiosly it doesn't happen with frankenphp+caddy.
Ah interesting, I haven't tried that.
how can i test this in local porject the "wrk" command not working...is their any package required for installation??
I've always wondered something about PHP - since it has to "boot" the application on each request, does it actually load all the PHP files that are included/required each time or does it cache them somehow with file watching so it recognizes changes to files? PHP seems to run so fast, but I/O operations are expensive.
There is a thing called the OPcache that prevents IO thrashing www.php.net/manual/en/book.opcache.php
per non fare bloccare php o mysql bisogna settare ulimit, sia del sistema operativo che di mysql
I'd really really like to use this but only for a new green field project ... There's a lot of hidden gotchas that I don't fully understand how it will impact the system and also a third party ecosystem. Octane breaks the default shared nothing architecture imo and it's a bit scary for me. I think the only way is to bite the bullet it and try to fix the issues as they appear in production ...
"wrk" alternative for windows?
No clue!
What about using it in production? and BTW, what package/tool are you using for this `wrk` mock fake requests load stuff?
Yup you can use it in production quite easily! Especially with Forge. You just need to make sure you reload your workers on deploy as mentioned (just like your queue workers)
What is that chrome extension you are using?
Thanks a lot Aaron. I just wanted to ask: "How do I host My Laravel app using Octane with FrankenPHP in a production Linux VPS server."
I haven't ever worked with FrankenPHP so I'm not sure. I bet the docs are great
it's because of you Mr Francis... now I'm here trying to understand why I've made the choice that I've made... re-learn laravel and watch mad max's high octanes. One person enters, a wiser one leaves
lol, the official Laravel Channel is currently doing the same kind of series
But anyway, great video! Finally someone who explains this system :]
Haha yeah, I saw that! 🙊
Thanks Aaron! I watched this video with great pleasure. The way you introduce Octane, as well as other arguments, is as always so easy to understand. Well done
This series has way too much internal jargon. Thins are referred to using insider knowledge that new users will know nothing about. That's super unhelpful.
This was the first video in the series. Thanks for the feedback
Wake up babe, Aaron’s back
"babe you gotta stop waking me up to tell me about your internet friends" - alec's partner (probably)
Missing Swoole Extension.
When i do php artisan octane:start
How to fix it
You'll have to check the docs
Thanks!
Love Octane, especially in containers for reasons more related to logging than anything else 😂
Hey Chris, how does octane in containers help with logging? Do you know if Log::withContext() works with octane?
I had to watch your video on Nginx + php-fpm to make sure I understood it before I recorded this video
Hey Chris, how does octane in containers help with logging? Do you know if Log::withContext() works with octane?
Video intro…until that scribble. 🤢
Hey that's my handwriting
Does Octane and/or its driver provide synchronization mechanisms to properly mutate shared state?
So happy you're back!!! 🎉
Hi Aaron, how to run Octane in standalone ?
Not sure I understand the question. Sorry!
Everyone just shows the default localhost tutorial. I found that it's stupidly obscure to configure in a prod server environment. The default address and port doesn't seem to work, when it set to to https it doesn't like the certificates and so on. After many variations I still couldn't get it to work in prod.
Does that mean there's no need for redis for caching?
Octane cache is strictly stored in memory and is cleared when you roll the worker, which you would on every deploy. So there are some tradeoffs!
Hey Mr. Dunphy, glad to see you back ❤
At your service 🫡
Nah, not for me. What makes Laravel great is it has a lot of first party package and that's the same reason that it makes the worst framework - it's just selfish, I like Symfony more
I don't understand that logic at all but I'm happy you found something you like
@@aarondfrancis don’t worry about the logic, keep posting Laravel vids, that’s where the money is, that’s where market is, great job!
I code with python and C# and i'm here watching a video about Laravel, kkkkk
Everyone's saying "you should approach writing your code differently with Octane" and I couldn't agree more... But how different exactly? Maybe, a screencast of turning some legacy app into an Octane-grade one with all the nuances explained? 😅
Very nice video, and great explanation, looking forward to see more videos about octane, especially the process of installing and configuring it on server
How to use it in production?. I am using VPS. I need to do php artisan octane:start, then what. How so i point my domain to this ?. Or do i still needs nginx/apache to catch the request and forward it ?.
All this time, I was taught that php-fpm was made to resolve the issue of creating and killing the PHP process with every request.
love it! never used php but this is pretty cool considering laravel is being bootstraped on-request
Been using octane on a project since August, and gotta say, it's surprisingly easy to get up and running. Haven't felt the performance yet but I imagine that'll come in handy once it goes live.
Also, Octane tables with Swoole rocks!
basically no real impact on low user apps like mine? sadge :((
Do not be sadge! Rejoice that you're smart enough to not prematurely optimize. That puts you way ahead of your peers
@@aarondfrancis agree! love your content. gonna wait for more!
First time I understood what this was doing 👍
Now you've made me not to learn Python FastAPI
It's so cool that Laravel has this now! Magento/Adobe Commerce just released their new application server that is based on OpenSwoole and has the same idea.
super nice! love the way to explain things :D I'll love to see the future of this playlist :D
It's always a treat watching your educational videos, Aaron. You guys rock!
Crash the thumbs up button guys, the man is back!
High quality video! thanks
That intro animation is on point! Amazing quality as always 😎
Honey, wake up, the new Aaron Francis content is here
*aaron fan club long applause* great video!
6000 requests, very insane....
great fucking video
So great to have your excellent videos back in my feed!
Thank you for sharing Sir, i drink your words !
Finally - a concise and clear explanation!
I’ll follow you anywhere boss!
Love your content man
good to see you again! looking forward to more
Amazing content. By the way, I might have missed it but why did most of the requests fail on the wrk test for Octane again?
I think they're just 500 errors from load!
Great content, Aaron!
As always great content, appreciate all the content you do. We all would love to see some series on databases from basis to becoming expert on databases.
Will do!
Me at 6:50 : Why is it not on by default ?
Aaron at 7:00 : the question is going to be why would you not use Octane?
Moral of the story, wait for the end before asking any question on Aaron videos 😂
Haha whew, glad I answered it!
Love it Aaron, congrats!
hey Aaron you look like the adult version of George Little (from the Stuart Little movie)
Haha is this good or bad
so what's the catch?
I think I cover the catch at the end? You have to code in a slightly different way w.r.t. statics
@@aarondfrancis thanks for the reply but I mean more like measurable catches like minimum RAM is increased or something like that and if it's not at all, well, with all due respect the "code slightly different" might be just a micro catch for a higher purpose. again, thanks in advance.
i love you Aaron Francis
love you Aaron ❤️!
wow you are back though I expected a sqlite course. Keep going
Soon!
Love it! Is there a way we could support you directly? Like Patreon?
You're kind to ask. Nope, just tell your friends!
Make a playlist
Sure, with what on it? Sweet summertime jams or something else? If you want a "what is Laravel" playlist you need only to look at my channel, as that already exists 🤝
@@aarondfrancis something like get started with Laravel here. a playlist of getting started as a Laravel dev
This is awesome.
love your videos ♥
Wow! Thank you Aaron 🙏
This is 🔥
Aaron delivers.
thank you,
I love your videos: well balanced between intuition and technicality
Thank you! I appreciate that a lot
Just join the laravel core team already would ya!!
Haha! I just started my own company 🙊
first.
Oh wow php was doing cold starts before it was cool
We've had it all, for forever!
Best explainer of Octane. You're a really good educator. I have a project that I'm working on that will benefit from this greatly. Best to do it now while it's just getting started. Also, sqlite when? ;)
Soon 🤐🤐
@@aarondfrancis I had a feeling you were cooking something up. Looking forward to it. (not actually in a hurry ).🤣
Laravel Is stateless , With Octane laravel became statefull
Great explanation, Thanks you Aaron
and this is bad stateless is always better as prevent lots of bugs
@@wonderful-p7z it’s about the use-case, we cannot say that in general a lot of frameworks like rails or node are statefull
Aaron, thank you for keeping it bright and consistent! Finally, a video that doesn't feel like a strobe light test.
2024 is the year of light mode for me!
@aarondfrancis It's tedious to get dark mode right in the browser for simple examples. Matching the IDE theme to the browser background just seems smoother. Maybe I'm just nitpicking, though. Anyway, I love your phoenix moment-it's truly inspirational for all of us grinding away! Your attention to detail, even down to matching themes, showcases your resilience. Keep up the great work; there are many of us rooting for you!
But let's not forget that the real magic is being done by Swoole, RoadRunner and ...
Of course
@@aarondfrancis btw, great video 💪
Good video, I had a question, with octane, what PHP should be used? TS or NTS?
Sorry I'm not sure what you mean TS or NTS
@@aarondfrancis oh, i mean php thread safe or non thread safe
Curious to know if you can run different octane applications on the same server. Has anyone tried that? Great video keep them coming
That's interesting! I'm sure it's possible but I haven't tried it
Yeah I have a couple of bare metal servers with forge and I have a couple customers on each I am curious how octane would behave. Might need tweaking.
Totally unrelated, but what's that font in your terminal? It looks a bit narrower than your regular JetBrains Mono
I think it is just jetbrains mono!
@@aarondfrancis Fair, Macs just render fonts better 😄
missed you dude❤
is Laravel a thing in 2024?
You have no idea how much of a thing it is in 2024
Now with octane, do we even need nginx?
In production yeah, you'll want nginx for static assets I think
Miss your PlanetScale videos! What happened?
I got laid off!
@@aarondfrancis Better for you Aaron, keep going and never lookback
@@aarondfrancis Damn. Sorry to hear that. Best wishes!
Miss the SQL content! I only followed Planetscale because of your great work! If you're not part of Planetscale I'll be Unsubscribing 😢
I'll be doing SQL content here!