Labor needs to stop ignoring housing as a main factor in education, especially for rural kids who can't afford to move into cities. The Uni my kids want to go to has NO student accommodation at all. They can't even organise classes so kids can have some trimesters at home, online, avoiding paying rent. They just don't seem to get how disabling and terrifying the housing crisis is. Also, FUND POOR and REGIONAL SCHOOLS! It's so hard for kids with so few opportunities to have the confidence and experience to step out into the world. Private schools have enough helipads.
Worst reporting. ABC here is an idea… ask the students what’s wrong with university, not the people whom have a vesting interest in pumping out the degrees for money.
When I went to Uni it was free, we were almost guaranteed a job at the end, the disadvantaged had assistance they could actually live on and most degree were only 3 years. My youngest is 25 and is still completing their degree whilst working 50 hours a week minimum, which most jobs are these days. They couldn't afford to live without working and are in a typical industry that also expects experience. These aren't avocado toast eating, lazy, good-for-nothings. That was our generation. No wonder these kids are burning out. Meanwhile we're educating the rest of the world, and then those international students are settling in Australia. That doesn't bother me, except when our own kids are having a hard time graduating. Same goes for TAFE and apprenticeships.
We have edged so far away from a good education system, from early education all the way through. Education should be a central pillar of society. Education should free. There should be more pathways that meet the demands of the present and future.
Australian citizens shouldn’t be paying to study. Period. It’s insane and must be stopped. The answer is simple yet too difficult to implement because there is no appetite to do anything serious.
The student debt is the issue here, trapping young people into something they can never escape from. I've worked as a tutor, courseware developer and lecturer in STEM at two prestigious universities in Australia since 2021. Creating more university places is not the answer. Why would a young person do a four year degree to get paid 50K/annum upon graduation and have a 65K debt which goes up by close to close to 6K+ each year. Compared to a trade, paid 45K for 4 years to train, go on to earn 110K and break the freedom from the corporate life. The student debt keeps poor people poor. It affects your ability to get a home loan, car loan or a business loan.... I just look at my students and think you are wasting your money. I'm teaching them and I still haven't paid my loan off....
It sounds like the seriously high levels of corruption within Australian Universities, both from an educational & financial perspective, will continue to be ignored!
When I went to College, there were 30+ students in my double major extended maths class, as well as my physics classes. My son has returned to the same college as me and wife. There are 4 students in their chemistry class for both year 11 and 12, and the number of students aiming to go onto university is 10% of what it was when I was there. Students are concerned about the degree costs, and particularly boys have lost the motivation and are falling behind. The ratio of boys to girls in universities in Australia today is 100:72. This ratio has been increasing steadily over the past few decades, and it is now at its highest level ever. Somehow this is not setting off alarm bells in the system. It's disgusting.
Why go to uni when you can go get a trade. Start earning money instantly. Then in 4 years you are earning the same money, if not more than people who have just left uni. I was pushed into uni when I left school, droped out in the first year as I didnt enjoy what I was doing. Ended up doing a trade and bought a house within 3 years of working. While all my friends were just finishing uni with 0 money saved and 50k plus of dept.
We OWE our children an education. There should be no HECS debt on any PASSED subjects. Failed subjects should have some discretion for mitigating circumstances,. The return to govt comes from increased tax revenue on the higher salaries earned by graduates, and the lower likelihood of social security payments for graduates.
Also, they could recognise Uni degrees as a Mutual Obligation activity for Jobseeker and bring JS and Austudy above the poverty line. Maybe if people on Austudy or Jobseeker had as much as the pension they could afford textbooks.
To understand universities, we need to also look at professional registration bodies to see if they are fit for purpose, or making degrees too complex, not providing enough alternatives, creating exhausting and ridiculous conditions for registration or addressing the need for more exit points. streams or upgrading/ retraining. Look at the number of Psych graduates compared to the overwhelming lack of qualified professionals, or the number of people who would make great counsellors not finishing because of statistics studies in the degrees etc.
Funding for pure research is desperately needed. Research is sadly hampered by the perceived economic benefit of the research. Pure research provides the foundation for ongoing research
I heard a lot of $$$ for uni's, rather than decreasing the cost of uni... i also find in the industry the requirement for degrees is slackening rather than growing given alternative education through other methods of learning. Id also say a uni is eroding the on the job aspect of training.
School dropouts increasing for 6 years and in particularly in rural and poorer areas, education lower, wages lower, employment lower, opportunities lower, there's your statistics right there. Come to these areas try and find a Youth Service or any community engagement centered around young people. The old people used to say there's nothing for the young people to do that's why they get in trouble, well things haven't improved and that was 30 years ago and no wonder when a lot of money goes out of the place but doesn't ever seem to come back in.
Make it FREE again like the baby boomers had FREE education Make housing the same price as baby boomer 2s had which was double the cost of 1 annunal salary......and all these issues would dissolve
@@geoffsaunders5030 thankyou for your truth. The choices baby boomers have made not to fight for the same ENTITLEMENTS for their youth as they had yet instead captilise of their youth stealing their money for more gain has caused mass depression anxiety homelessness singleness baby drought and very awful place for Millenials and below, unless they have rich parents. Most can't even afford to study why they have to get Asians in to pay the boomer uni fees. More millennials died in 2022 than in the Vietnam war.....I think from STRESS burn out, trying to get security that the baby boomers got so easily.
Professor Julius Sumner Miller had it right years ago when he noted everyone seems to have a degree. Like diamonds, it's scarcity that makes something valuable. People are waking up to the fact that the advantage of having a degree has diminished as the number of people with a degree has increased.
We have a mindset problem. We believe that sending people to university will improve their lives. Not necessarily. In a country where there is a great shortage of tradespeople, why are we continually pushing people into universities where the only guarantee is a huge government debt. It is like the government is trying to guarantee a future income stream at the expense of young students. There is nothing in the national curriculum that supports trade based careers which is why it is so hard to get houses built, and electricians, mechanics and plumbers to fix things. if education is geared only as a preparation for university then you will continue to have a high rate of dropout from those who are not suited to those professions.
Anyone who thinks our education system is “good” need to come back to reality. Our education system is terrible these days. Just look at the generation of youth being produced 🥴 we 100% need a reform but not just of the high education system but of the primary education system too. Wouldn’t be too terrible to raise the standard of teachers too. If the teachers union is going to coerce the government into paying them more, they better work for it which imo atm they aren’t doing nearly enough
When private schools are unnecessarily subsidized, funding for public schools is low, the schools and system is outdated, teachers aren't properly supported, what can we expect?
First thing out of his mouth is "the rankings"🙄 That's RESEARCH ranking mate, NOT the teaching - which is exactly the point. The sector is floundering with shockingly bloated, ridiculously paid senior ADMINISTRATION (note, NOT instructors), and shamelessly milking the foreign students primarily seeking permanent residency. While dumbing down curricula in all but externally accredited fields of study so deeply employers have been screaming for a decade Australian universities have gone to 💩
You need to provide a guaranteed job for these university degrees. Otherwise, the students will end up being stuck in low skill and low paying jobs which will eventually be overtaken by automation.
"We live in a world today where almost every single job that being created will require you to finish school"..... Well....really?? RUclipsr, tik toker, only fans, brick layers, lollipop ladies/man, tradies.... Also the rise of crypto makes a lot of people rich in the past decades.... You name it....paid well over than a degree holder... With the rise of AI will replace a lot of white-collar (degree holder) And here we have politicians still living in the 90s only thinking of scio-economic, suburban issues.... Many jobs don't require a degree and quite a lot on the job training happy to develop staffs to management level Still thinking why there are many students didn't complete school/TAFE/Uni?? Seriously?? Fix the economy, fix the housing, reform the tax system, it's not attracting companies, R&Ds etc.... which requires more graduates
Hi there. I think you might be having an 'episode'. I hope you have someone to contact for support if things get nightmarish for you. Take care of yourself. ✨️ ❤
Labor needs to stop ignoring housing as a main factor in education, especially for rural kids who can't afford to move into cities. The Uni my kids want to go to has NO student accommodation at all. They can't even organise classes so kids can have some trimesters at home, online, avoiding paying rent. They just don't seem to get how disabling and terrifying the housing crisis is. Also, FUND POOR and REGIONAL SCHOOLS! It's so hard for kids with so few opportunities to have the confidence and experience to step out into the world. Private schools have enough helipads.
What about Foreign Students, Strategically Put into Group Assignments To Make Sure They Pass.....Happening a Lot !
Worst reporting. ABC here is an idea… ask the students what’s wrong with university, not the people whom have a vesting interest in pumping out the degrees for money.
When I went to Uni it was free, we were almost guaranteed a job at the end, the disadvantaged had assistance they could actually live on and most degree were only 3 years. My youngest is 25 and is still completing their degree whilst working 50 hours a week minimum, which most jobs are these days. They couldn't afford to live without working and are in a typical industry that also expects experience. These aren't avocado toast eating, lazy, good-for-nothings. That was our generation. No wonder these kids are burning out. Meanwhile we're educating the rest of the world, and then those international students are settling in Australia. That doesn't bother me, except when our own kids are having a hard time graduating. Same goes for TAFE and apprenticeships.
We have edged so far away from a good education system, from early education all the way through. Education should be a central pillar of society. Education should free. There should be more pathways that meet the demands of the present and future.
Australian citizens shouldn’t be paying to study. Period. It’s insane and must be stopped. The answer is simple yet too difficult to implement because there is no appetite to do anything serious.
Maybe reverse the changes ScoMo made to humanities degrees that increased the price dramatically? That’s one thing people my age are hesitating about
The student debt is the issue here, trapping young people into something they can never escape from.
I've worked as a tutor, courseware developer and lecturer in STEM at two prestigious universities in Australia since 2021. Creating more university places is not the answer. Why would a young person do a four year degree to get paid 50K/annum upon graduation and have a 65K debt which goes up by close to close to 6K+ each year. Compared to a trade, paid 45K for 4 years to train, go on to earn 110K and break the freedom from the corporate life.
The student debt keeps poor people poor. It affects your ability to get a home loan, car loan or a business loan.... I just look at my students and think you are wasting your money. I'm teaching them and I still haven't paid my loan off....
HECS / HELP is a massive barrier for people from all works of life but is more so for low socio-economic areas.
It sounds like the seriously high levels of corruption within Australian Universities, both from an educational & financial perspective, will continue to be ignored!
Which are?
When I went to College, there were 30+ students in my double major extended maths class, as well as my physics classes. My son has returned to the same college as me and wife. There are 4 students in their chemistry class for both year 11 and 12, and the number of students aiming to go onto university is 10% of what it was when I was there. Students are concerned about the degree costs, and particularly boys have lost the motivation and are falling behind. The ratio of boys to girls in universities in Australia today is 100:72. This ratio has been increasing steadily over the past few decades, and it is now at its highest level ever. Somehow this is not setting off alarm bells in the system. It's disgusting.
Why go to uni when you can go get a trade. Start earning money instantly. Then in 4 years you are earning the same money, if not more than people who have just left uni. I was pushed into uni when I left school, droped out in the first year as I didnt enjoy what I was doing. Ended up doing a trade and bought a house within 3 years of working. While all my friends were just finishing uni with 0 money saved and 50k plus of dept.
We OWE our children an education. There should be no HECS debt on any PASSED subjects. Failed subjects should have some discretion for mitigating circumstances,.
The return to govt comes from increased tax revenue on the higher salaries earned by graduates, and the lower likelihood of social security payments for graduates.
Also, they could recognise Uni degrees as a Mutual Obligation activity for Jobseeker and bring JS and Austudy above the poverty line. Maybe if people on Austudy or Jobseeker had as much as the pension they could afford textbooks.
We see students coming from Uni to Tafe due to easier access for work placement and quicker employment.
Tafe in my opinion us better i attend it and graduated with skills that I still retain whereas i forgot everything I learned from university
To understand universities, we need to also look at professional registration bodies to see if they are fit for purpose, or making degrees too complex, not providing enough alternatives, creating exhausting and ridiculous conditions for registration or addressing the need for more exit points. streams or upgrading/ retraining. Look at the number of Psych graduates compared to the overwhelming lack of qualified professionals, or the number of people who would make great counsellors not finishing because of statistics studies in the degrees etc.
As a uni student. Uni is awful. I’m glad they are looking at reviewing it.
Funding for pure research is desperately needed. Research is sadly hampered by the perceived economic benefit of the research. Pure research provides the foundation for ongoing research
I heard a lot of $$$ for uni's, rather than decreasing the cost of uni... i also find in the industry the requirement for degrees is slackening rather than growing given alternative education through other methods of learning. Id also say a uni is eroding the on the job aspect of training.
School dropouts increasing for 6 years and in particularly in rural and poorer areas, education lower, wages lower, employment lower, opportunities lower, there's your statistics right there. Come to these areas try and find a Youth Service or any community engagement centered around young people.
The old people used to say there's nothing for the young people to do that's why they get in trouble, well things haven't improved and that was 30 years ago and no wonder when a lot of money goes out of the place but doesn't ever seem to come back in.
Make it FREE again like the baby boomers had FREE education
Make housing the same price as baby boomer 2s had which was double the cost of 1 annunal salary......and all these issues would dissolve
I am a baby boomer and embarrassed to be one. You are absolutely correct. Our parents fought a world war for us and we act so deplorably in return.
@@geoffsaunders5030 thankyou for your truth.
The choices baby boomers have made not to fight for the same ENTITLEMENTS for their youth as they had yet instead captilise of their youth stealing their money for more gain has caused mass depression anxiety homelessness singleness baby drought and very awful place for Millenials and below, unless they have rich parents.
Most can't even afford to study why they have to get Asians in to pay the boomer uni fees.
More millennials died in 2022 than in the Vietnam war.....I think from STRESS burn out, trying to get security that the baby boomers got so easily.
sorely needed
Meanwhile the Government has increased the FEE-HELP interest rate 😅😂
I wonder what the "needs based learning entitlement will be? Fifty dollars a week extra, or some such woefully inadequate offer? I bet.
What we really need is more trades!!!
We have a housing shortage. How about encouraging trades not stupid usless degrees (most are, not all)
Professor Julius Sumner Miller had it right years ago when he noted everyone seems to have a degree. Like diamonds, it's scarcity that makes something valuable. People are waking up to the fact that the advantage of having a degree has diminished as the number of people with a degree has increased.
We have a mindset problem. We believe that sending people to university will improve their lives. Not necessarily. In a country where there is a great shortage of tradespeople, why are we continually pushing people into universities where the only guarantee is a huge government debt. It is like the government is trying to guarantee a future income stream at the expense of young students. There is nothing in the national curriculum that supports trade based careers which is why it is so hard to get houses built, and electricians, mechanics and plumbers to fix things. if education is geared only as a preparation for university then you will continue to have a high rate of dropout from those who are not suited to those professions.
Who's pushing them?
Higher education, especially if you have to borrow for it, destroys people's lives. Read the statistics.
sorry but my degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on, and the support for transitioning any skills into the real world is an utter joke
the whole thing is making money business . what a joke.
I read that as 'monkey business'. Same - same.
Anyone who thinks our education system is “good” need to come back to reality. Our education system is terrible these days. Just look at the generation of youth being produced 🥴 we 100% need a reform but not just of the high education system but of the primary education system too. Wouldn’t be too terrible to raise the standard of teachers too. If the teachers union is going to coerce the government into paying them more, they better work for it which imo atm they aren’t doing nearly enough
When private schools are unnecessarily subsidized, funding for public schools is low, the schools and system is outdated, teachers aren't properly supported, what can we expect?
The focus on indoctrination shouldn’t be the prime goal!
@@HGCUPCAKES indoctrination? Your tinfoil hat is way to tight
They’ve raised the standards for new teachers but it’ll take 20 years to make it through all the workforce
The government should provide paid training for teachers to increase their skills.
First thing out of his mouth is "the rankings"🙄 That's RESEARCH ranking mate, NOT the teaching - which is exactly the point. The sector is floundering with shockingly bloated, ridiculously paid senior ADMINISTRATION (note, NOT instructors), and shamelessly milking the foreign students primarily seeking permanent residency. While dumbing down curricula in all but externally accredited fields of study so deeply employers have been screaming for a decade Australian universities have gone to 💩
What will the "needs-based learning entitlement" be, I wonder? 50 bucks extra every week, or some other sorely lacking offer? I bet.
Are they for real... A masters in sports writing and maybe in the history of grandmothers washing ....
We need workers not lazy uni student's
You need to provide a guaranteed job for these university degrees. Otherwise, the students will end up being stuck in low skill and low paying jobs which will eventually be overtaken by automation.
"We live in a world today where almost every single job that being created will require you to finish school".....
Well....really??
RUclipsr, tik toker, only fans, brick layers, lollipop ladies/man, tradies....
Also the rise of crypto makes a lot of people rich in the past decades....
You name it....paid well over than a degree holder...
With the rise of AI will replace a lot of white-collar (degree holder)
And here we have politicians still living in the 90s only thinking of scio-economic, suburban issues....
Many jobs don't require a degree and quite a lot on the job training happy to develop staffs to management level
Still thinking why there are many students didn't complete school/TAFE/Uni?? Seriously??
Fix the economy, fix the housing, reform the tax system, it's not attracting companies, R&Ds etc.... which requires more graduates
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