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Prayge Our father who art in heaven, hear me out man plz. I beg of you. Theres this video game, mr god sir. Its called genshin impact. a lot of the times it really sucks but sometimes its really cool. and in this video game there is this character that will be release soon that i think is pretty well. pretty nifty. quite fun, very cool. like triple thumbs up. and i, it would be really nice...if she was not the anti christ... okay. thats all im saying okay. dont make her the anti-christ plz.
I cant believe most people force her to become dps after reading her skill. Is this the best people can came out with ? No wonder you need your favorite youtuber to tell you how to build and play a character 😂
@@harfi212 How about myhoyo stop trying to shove on field dmg dealing kit into support character skills. First Kokomi, now Dehya. Can't you see how bad designed their kit is? On field dmg dealing bursts, constellations and weapons on a support character, like give them a full support kit already if you want players to build them as support. At least Kokomi was saved because she's a hydro character with good application, what can Dehya offer then?
@@harfi212 but her support is strictly worse than any shielder or healer so why would you build her support? Thoma has way more reaction potential so EM build isn’t viable either
My last hope is that they are planning to massively buff her inbetween end of this beta cycle and release as a way to discourage viewing leaked scalings and maybe even kits down the road
the problem is not the multipliers(buff) it's her kit and she's going to be released in less than a month so changing her kit now is impossible...it's really sad...
The problem with doing that is that they won’t have enough time to actually properly play test her. She might release completely broken overpowered or still be broken useless lol.
But that means wasting 4 weeks worth of beta testing. Also, leakers will still leak anyway and people will still follow said leak because there's almost nothing to do in game after you've done with story and event.
@@syoonatsu8355 The thing is her kit can be improved by simply changing numbers. Like cutting the interval of her skill proc to 2 seconds, doubling her skill scaling and increasing its' duration to 20 seconds. This could make her quite a decent 5 star even if the burst remains the same, and there probably wont be newfound bugs with these changes. They could also try to change her burst to proc Xingqiu and Yelan if they are thinking potential bugs and compensations wouldnt outweight the amount of players who stop searching leaks.
they should have made her burning focused so she would have a niche she excels at but instead we are trying to compete with xinyan and aloy for worst position
Surely Hoyo will buff her or provide some type of mini rework. Maybe an artifact set that will bring power tuning for her to a new lvl compared to other sets. Or just a flat out % buff on her baseline numbers. I doubt they will release such a hyped character in a gutted state.
Her exclusive artifact set specifically made for her kit already leaked along with baizhu artifact. Her new artifact set makes her kinda usable but it should be on her base kit in the first place..
The more they hate Dehya the more i love her, I don't care about her kit and numbers, she will be my pyro dps no matter what the outcome until her release.
Info from Zajeff: "As I understand it, the testers were actually been complaining nonstop. She dies alot cuz her low HP and she cant dodge at her burst state. "
@@karashuun1083 I thought she just absorbs damage and then do something with it to reflect I didn't know she actually takes damage. Oh my what hoyoverse made with her..
I just want her E skill to proc faster, her ult duration to extend, and get of her locked c1 with that HP Ascension stat and make it a passive. That's literally it otherwise her kit is damn near unusable
Nice video!, Hope you could do an Ayato analysis I don't know why but it looks like content creator just slap him on Hyperbloom a call it a day without taking into account how other teams perform for him specially with cons ! Keep the good work, great analysis !
His release videos are no different than that they tested him like another Childe, there was no analysis on optimal rotations, sometimes when you try to do it like a normal hypercarry it's just too much time lost considering his skill has a 6sec CD sometimes your damage doubles when just using 2 like kazuha/Yunjin and then Kazuha/Mona/Bennet or w/e, but maybe is not really optimal? I test that on my account but maybe someone like him that does the math shows something different.
@@user-ue7gt6cr1v ahh i see then. you want to see the math behind it as well. this probably won’t help but i watch ayato spiral abyss runs with different teams to see how well he performs. i do this with other characters too bc i know content creators don’t show how to play them in other teams.
I think we are just stuck on the same template here: carry, burst DPS, support. Lets just theorize: WHAT IF a character can take the field only half of the time, giving another half to a similar character of the different element? I don't know if you are aware, but Kokomi + Raiden works exactly this way: they both have a "selfish burst" and its duration is kinda in the middle between Xiao and Albedo/Mona/Xinyan. So this actually already happened, we do have both DPS and support units which can share the field in order to do their thing.
It's good for both Diluc and Eula since it gives attack after skill. It's good for Diluc since his skill CD is low. For Eula it's kinda good if you don't have SoBP since people rock WGS as an alternative.
I have a very different plan for Dehya personally. I'm currently planning on using her as a pyro character for a burgeon team. Build her full em with the new event em claymore coming at the same time and just use her as an elemental skill bot for burgeon. Functionally using her in the same way as em raiden for hyperbloom. The mitigations and interuption resistance is just a nice bonus that she will provide. Full team I'm looking at is Nahida, Dehya, Xingqui/Yelan, and Kokomi. Not the best dps team build or anything, just hyper comfy as I am a casual player.
thoma applies pyro faster for burgeon, and due to his ICD he applies pyro less on actual enemies (so he triggers burning less, which can ruin burgeon) and has better defensive utility overall over dehya even when he's at c0.
maybe one of the two new artifact sets will complete her kit. it might work on hu tao too if it would work like this: 2p - %pyro/+ 20% hp 4p - using ele. skill and lose health give a xyz buff
I think so. She looks like good for coop TBH. Her kit makes her a good tank for coop as she gets the damage from her team. They purposely did her kit so they have something in mind.
@@thesheepersgame5199 exactly I find her really unique..at least new artifact or new support might make her work some characters do take time till something new comes to fix them
I REALLY doubt if it'll be better than the same team but with kazuha instead of dehya. However, if the pyro gauge from Dehya is good enough, it's totally possible to do Dehya/Kazuha/Bennett/Ganyu, which will be easier to manage than XL melt's ridiculous ER reqs, while saving Nahida on other side of abyss.
I hope Hyv has actual plans for her kit in the future where we can make use of her potential like what happened with Thoma, Kuki and Alhaitham. I saw leak on Baizhu that mentioned quite a few of possible elemental reaction in the future. So...
What do you mean alhaitham? He is completely viable right now and his teams are actually quite competitive. If you mean his nerfs, after seeing so many showcases and trying him myself I can see why they decided to lower his scalings a bit tbh 💀
@@mandyred1 What I mean is by fans early perception of his talent dmg. From his leaks alone, most of 'em look down on him until his release. Yes, as you said, now they know that Alhaitham is actually OP despite what hyv gave him. He is actually worth your Primogems.
@@prime1773 most people don’t understand how dendro works, and severely underestimate dendro reactions. Even if he has half the amount of damage he has right now, he’d still be decent because he can drive a hyperbloom team. Seperate “fans” with TC that screams “bad” or “OP”, because they only heard other people said some stuff without thinking by themself.
Well thoma and kuki got buffed by a whole new element . You're saying they release another element in the future?? Interesting tbh can't see it happening anytime soon though.
I was thinking Bennett, Kazuha, Ayaka, Dehia, for guaranteed melts on all her attacks during her burst or at least all of them within CD, cuz Ayaka cryo applications speed probably the best
the problem is its 2,5sec e skill proc and her e skill duration is not longer as Albedo which is u forced to use Dehya burst skill to reset her e skill. also i heard Dehya e skill DMG are not great
There are some new characters put there that yet to be released, who knows it might be a good support for Dehya or she might be better than expected, she's hasn't been released yet in global server so we're not entirely sure whether or not she's good or bad
Your not wrong but the thing is nearly any support that can make the current Dehya good would make Hutao, Diluc, Xiangling ect broken, and pulling for a character because we might get a future good character isn't a good mindset But you are right that this is just beta version. She can very well get buffed in the future.
@@quolpmu1232 it seems like Kuki/Yae situation or even Kokomi situation. In first case Dehya will be powered up by new mechanics (f.e. - dendro reactions, or something else), in second - Hoyoverse will give Dehya her signature artifact set + new characters to play with. I'm coping on that, at least.
@@verylazypigeon Thats high cope, too high in fact. I can think of absolutely nothing that buff dehya and doesn't buff the other pyro carries so much that its basically irrelevant for her. Make an pyro artifact that rewards on being low HP? Thats just Hu tao's new BiS. New hydro supports that buffs burst damage? Xiangling's new best friend. Hydro archon scaling with max HP and converting HP to damage? Again Hu tao's best support. This can't be another yae/kuki because fontaine won't release a new element, and dehya kit doesn't provide anything worthwhile for her "niche" to be fixed later.
What about risky comps ? Like Rosa Q Melts with Dehyas Q. Or Ayaka- Dehya. Also if picking Up Millelith and Using another shielder/supporter with Noblesse. Its partywide 40% atk buff and 30% shield buff. If taking pyro resonance into account: 65% ATK. Plus Dehya Mitigation and shield, you are almost immortal.
there are leaks of 3.5 trial event where u use dehya with raiden, yao yao and xingqiu for possibly burgeon/hyperbloom team. her new f2p claymore is considered her 2nd strongest burgeon weapon after her new 5* claymore which solidifies her role as a slow burgeon while using hyperbloom procs between dehya's skill 2.5 seconds intervals. of course that doesn't validate her kit as u are literally ditching out her burst and her skill's duration 12 seconds with 20 seconds cool down, unless u are aiming for c2 to prolong her skill by 4 seconds.
UPDATE: according to reliable grapevine scuttlebutt, her beta build just changed again. Her atk multipliers went WAY down, but it looks like she now has 2 sets of HP multipliers, 1 on her base kit, and 1 on her c1. There's other stuff too, like an extra damage source on her c2. Implications: it might mean her kit is more integrated now, but unfortunately it reduces effect of wolf's gravestone, and Bennet and other atk buffs, but makes hp twice as viable... which is a but odd with yelan and xq because her burst doesn't proc their bursts... so it's a bit if a conundrum and I'm curious of your thoughts with the NEW numbers. Is it good that she's more integrated split scaling? Or is the loss of Bennets efficacy for her an overall massive nerf?
Does mostly skipping ER, going full CD/CR and planning for bursting every other rotation help at all? Instead of a weak burst every rotation maybe you get a decent burst eventually... At the very least it should make it less of a dps loss to swap in and burst lol.
@@TheGenshinScientist Yeah that figures. A 6 second animation burst with low numbers and standard ICD just doesn't cut it. Doesn't matter what multipliers you throw at it.
what about ganyu, dehya, nahida, bennett. dendro allows for longer burning and dehyas off-field pyro will allow the continuous application of burning :o
EM EM EM on Paradise Lost with Sacrificial Greatsword might be my build for her honestly 🤔 her defensive utility might make burgeon more interesting (though Thoma + Zhongli probably still better lol)
Idk i kinda have an idea mayby she would fit in a burgeon team like deyah nahida xinqui and yelan sunce she has low pyro application she wouldnt trigger burning that often and she could take then all the burgeon damage from the explosions with nahida as the on field driver since shes so squishy but even then i dont get why u would use that team over hyperbloom and nilou bloom but for now i think that would be a good option
@@melmelkdonalds5639 she might not even be a better upgrade to thoma as burgeon trigger, since thoma has a wide frontal arc to his fiery collapses which makes triggering burgeon quite easy. If her E proc is large like raiden's then she might have a chance.
@@FreneticPotato and also she doesnt need her burst for the job unlike thoma who has 80 energy so he has to buil er and em while deyah could go full em still wouldnt recommend her for that purpose tho
I really want her even if she is disappointed with gameplay. But I’m just so confused with the Artifacts. What Artifacts do I need to farm and what Stats do I need? I may play her in a Burgeon or a Vaporize Team
what if the new artifact set enables constellations per damage taken?!.. )) It really looks like ZhongLi's scaling, but with more utility for damage dealers
That would make sense as they've already done it with Xiao but, I'm not sure if that will be good in a lot of situations. If it truly is the case, then the damage taken must be multiplied because an extra 15-20k flat damage is not that great if she can't even reliably do vapes with standard ICD. She would be like Itto but with far less DPS and a very conditional way of dealing actual damage. But, eh... We don't really know what will happen in the future. I'm still pissed about the C1 garbage they did with her.
She'll be different upon release I'm sure. They are trolling us. They want us to roll for Hu Tao and Yelan. Which is why she hasn't been updated in beta further.
that makes no sense. why waste their beta period, which is meant to test a character, just to troll leakers? they have what, a week left? that leaves them hardly any time to test her if they were to completely change her kit.
@XanderKai the values/scalings "%'s" aren't accurate. Some units have released in a different state than when the Beta was running. Yae Miko is one of them. Dehya screams this. Hoyoverse is hip to the leaks and doom posting and will use it to their advantage. Dehya will be fine.
what if dehya is like a kokomi during release, straight garbage then new artifact elevated her to s tier. maybe new artifact for dehya will do the same.
That new artifact only did a dent on her placement in Meta. She’s good because she’s a hydro character, that can apply offfield with healing, there’s no way she can be bad from the start. And S tier is an overstatement imo.
Actually yeah small mistake in the vid, it's 5 with the kick 1st hit vape 2nd hit no vape 3rd hit no vape 4th hit vape 5th hit no vape 6th hit no vape 7th hit vape 8th hit vape 9th hit no vape 10th hit no vape kick vape the two vapes in a row are due to the time rule and 3 hit rule being separate Doesn't change anything for the mona calc since I already assumed she'd vape only 4 times there
This is not a cope because I'm not pulling* With all those changes with Dehya, She's still pretty bad and I see no potential of her getting buffed significantly. That being said, it gives me an idea that future character(s) might change the way she plays or buff her so much that Hoyoverse is way too cautious with buffing her. Hear me out, Hoyoverse will not make and design a character for a bad bad sales which they will rerun for years. Dehya wanters, if you are dedicated on pulling for her, You have a great chance of having another character who's meant for her to play with.
They will realease an artifact set that allows Dehya to do more dmg based on a percentage of the dmg she absorbed for the team. A new artifact set is due on 3.6
I was thinking: Kazuha running VV C6 Bennet running Noblesse C1 Dehya (gotta get use from that HP stat somehow lol) running Emblem of Severed Fate Zhongli running Tenacity Basically trying to maximize uptime on Dehya while throwing as many buffs on her as possible lmao
She's a 5 star, if she isn't going to do a lot of damage, then what is the point of making the character? Just money purposes? Because they figured the rest of the characters still in process of making may be better? I don't understand Hoyoverse but if this to do with ego and money, then it will be pretty sad for everyone including me who will pull for Dehya on the day but who knows, she may receive buffs later on like they did with Yae Miko
Woulden't Deyha be good in Melt Ganyu tho? If the team is Ganyu-Deyha-Nahida-Zhongli, it should work wonders. Yes I know its a full 5 star team, and its a bit pathetic that she is only there to hit with pyro every 5 seconds but oh well...at least she has some purpose. As for the DPS that you stated, that Zhongli versions would provide more damage, well damage is not everything especially not for Melt Ganyu, since if you form the teams around her, she can deal a ridiculous amount of damage with Bennet+Jean+Zhongli.(I myself can reach 200k + CA shots in that scenario). The freedom she would provide by making you no longer need to stay in the circle and no longer need to switch back into a pyro unit to reapply burning would be fairly ok . She would still not be worth pulling for, but she can provide some freedom in the Melt Ganyu composition. Nahida freed Melt Ganyu of Burst reliance and Dehya could free her of needing to switch to a pyro unit when or if the pyro on the enemy gets extinguished . It surely would be an improvement even if you trade , 4k theoretical max DPS, which on its own is honestly not that indicative of much. This is something that annoys me about TC's for Genshin. They treat it like any other game where DPS is king, despite the fact that Genshin is not played like that at all and despite the fact that sheets are just data that and not conclusions....
I don't treat dps as conclusive, when a character could offer something from a practical standpoint, I keep that in mind. Let me go through what you said. First, if you bring Zhongli, is it really that necessary to use dehya compared to other pyro units? Even if you're using nahida with burning, her low frequency, low aoe app wouldn't be great for multi-target scenarios. Also, I just don't think burning is that great if you don't use somebody like kazuha on the team. Is staying within Bennett's circle really that big of a deal for Ganyu? I feel like she's one of the characters that suffers the least from that limitation. Besides, as I say in the video, Melt ganyu with dehya is not bad, but just worse than using zhongli, and then using the remaining two slots for pyro app. I truly wish Dehya provided something unique for that type of comp, since I like her as a character, but she doesn't from what I've analyzed.
@@TheGenshinScientist "First, if you bring Zhongli, is it really that necessary to use dehya compared to other pyro units?" Eh, I personally use Instructor Yanfei with TTDS in that slot, so its not hard to reaply pyro at all, however, I could imagine that the convenience of it could be attractive to some. "Even if you're using nahida with burning, her low frequency, low aoe app wouldn't be great for multi-target scenarios." W8, so her E does not work Like Albedo's or what? Burning does not need that much pyro application so I thought that it could work fine. "Also, I just don't think burning is that great if you don't use somebody like kazuha on the team." Ah, so when you are talking about melt Ganyu , you are refering to the versions that don't use Nahida? Those versions work and are pretty strong, but I feel like what holds them down is not the DPS but how frustrating they are to play. Can you imagine using those teams against bosses with invulnerability phases or like the ruin serpent? "Is staying within Bennett's circle really that big of a deal for Ganyu? I feel like she's one of the characters that suffers the least from that limitation." In theory it would not be a problem since she is the only true ranged character in the game, however, you need to apply pyro to the monsters, no? Of the pyro applicatiors that are out there, all of them need the monsters to be close to the circle to apply pyro. XL needs them to be somewhat close, Jean and Kazuha need the circle to do the pyro application and so on. "I truly wish Dehya provided something unique for that type of comp, since I like her as a character, but she doesn't from what I've analyzed" Yeah, its a sad state of affairs.
Her elemetal skill multipliers are actual crap and they only apply once every 2.5 seconds, her burst is her main source of damage. Her elemetal skill passive also does everything zhongli's shield does but worst, like stricitly objectively worst at literally everything. weaker resistance to interruption, weaker damage blocking, has 60% uptime and your stuck on a AoE field instead of the shield following you.
I love her so I'm going to pull for her. And hoping that a new artifact set will save her. But of course. I finally really like an Event Pyro 5* and she seems to perform.. not really good
I feel like Dehya was built to be used with the Hydro Archon, which would synergize with her current kit, hence the bad damage multipliers. With the current roster, Dehya only has a few notable teammates and she herself seems to be bad in every team role compared to other better characters. This would be like how when dendro element drastically made certain characters roles change and made them much better. At release she will be pretty bad, with a limited role in any team. However with the release of the Hydro Archon it will probably make her much better in a team. I really don't like this approach from Hoyoverse to sell us the solution to fix a bad character by getting another character in future patches.
I mean, her C1 is already pretty telling. They're very transparent now with what they _really want_ and dropped the act. They really went with the half-eaten pie route 👁️👄👁️
What exactly do we know of the hydro archon rn that would make her work exceptionally with dehya? Genuinely curious cuz I don’t really keep up with leaks
@@typh2630 Nothing, people are just trying to bullshit an excuse for why would Mihoyo design a character so obviously bad and give her no redeeming qualities.
Nice 👌 I like your theorycrafting videos as you don't say directly that a character is shit unlike other theorycrafters. After a few patches from their release every characters improves like yae miko after dendro. And many meta team after 3.0 has fallen off the Meta like Ganyu Morgana and Ayaka Freeze because of introduction of new boss and highly mobile enemy which cannot be freezed. Meta is temporary but playing with your favourite character is the real enjoyment.
I like your optimism, even if nothing changes she still has utility in her durability. A new character that adds damage reflect or a retribution attack could go a long ways. The most recent spiral abyss shows an uptrend in incoming damage as well, so maybe dps wont always be the only metric worth chasing. Even in the current game Bennet only heals to 75% hp so Dehya will help prevent 1 shots where he is your only healer. She remains in zhong li's shadow even in this usage at the moment though. It's like they were afraid to make her outshine him by any metric.
I feel like she's gonna be a second Zhongli. People keep saying she sucks because of her damage but her kit points to a Zhongli type damage mitigation support character so i don't know why people keep focusing on her damage instead.
Because her burst is significantly different from Zhongli. Dehya's burst does nothing but damage, not AOE, not front-loaded, takes 7s field time, and cost 80. On the other hand, Zhongli's burst has CC, has big AOE, is front-loaded, takes only 2s (which is still long), and costs only 40. With more drawbacks for Dehya, it is natural to expect high numbers from her to compensate.
@@TYR1139 Umm, that's too pessimistic though. Current Zhongli is pretty balanced in my eyes: strong-AF shield with universal shred + CC every now and then. If you use hybrid build, his burst does pretty good damage. Mine has 37k HP, 70/210 CRIT, and he does 100k without Benny.
But the issue is, she won't provide the Zhongli experience. By Zhongli experience, I mean comfort. Sure, she provides resistance to interruption, but it's not 100% uptime. Sure, she provide damage mitigation, but it's not 100%. So what does this mean? You'll need another unit to compensate for her, whether it be another battery for her ult, or healer for her E -- literally the same issue launch Zhongli had before he was buffed. She's just not good right now. I'm sure they can make content centered around her niche, but it still doesn't mean she's universally good.
dehya's main selling point is her interuption resistance, and pyro application, and the best team i can think of at the moment is ganyu burning melt with nahida+bennett, and her build would be EM focused to maximize burning, but even then i'm not so sure🥵
She is likely a burning enabler, based on her timings. This means burning melt or straight burning like Nilou. So… either there will be a new mechanic or change to her kit to buff burning, or there will be a new Nilou-like character that perfectly synergizes with Dehya.
It seems she isn't DPS to begin with. Her kit makes her a tank and support with her interruption reduction than a DPS especially with her nerf. She's probably DPS with constellations. It's weird how Hoyo made her but maybe she'll be "useful" in future updates.
@@jenr4m3fu83ensjr3 I think she will be for future content. Maybe they will introduce COOP content as her tank abilities are useful for COOP as she tanks everyone within the field while giving damage interruption. I mean, units like Kuki were said to be bad until dendro came. They won't make her kit like that unless they plan to make her viable. Her ascension stats were already weird from the start and it seems intentional.
I mean abyss is built to be speed ran so there is no need for tank as you need to clear a floor in 3 min from both sides. Tank will just make you slower and weaker as we already have dodge, heal and shield. So I don’t really know what they expected when the needed her so much.
@@spaisik3984 They would probably release a coop abyss or content? Don't know since they had been releasing more coop based events in the past and people had been complaining to give more end game content. Her kit was intentional so I think there's more that we don't know. Kuki's kit was the same but when Sumeru came, her kit became very good. As well as Yae since some said she's bad and her EM scaling didn't made any sense.
@@thesheepersgame5199 as I remember Mihoyo doesn’t want want to add new permanent content like abyss cause it gives “anxiety” - obviously it’s bullshit and they probably don’t want to do that anyways
Because as far as we can see she isn't burning focused. No em scaling passive and constellations of any kind. She can be USED for burning, but at expense of her being good at her actual role (thoma burdgeon being a good example of this, is at his best as a full em burdgeon proccer but has no em scaling in his whole kit, which makes his actual shield paper thin as a result).
No wonder mihoyo gave Dehya a makeup set in her idle animation. She is a whole clown of a character. No real identity in the game, no role were she excells and a terrible kit. GG go next!
Interruption resistance, damage mitigation and pyro application. Isn't that Thoma and Xinyan? Oh wait, Thoma and Xinyan at least give 100% damage mitigation and full interruption resistance.
@@karashuun1083 the only good about dehya e skill compare to thoma/Xinyan is dealing more DMG. but i heard Dehya E skill DMG is a joke because her DMG base of ATK meawhile she has HP accension which is SAD
Prayge Our father who art in heaven, hear me out man plz. I beg of you. Theres this video game, mr god sir. Its called genshin impact. a lot of the times it really sucks but sometimes its really cool. and in this video game there is this character that will be release soon that i think is pretty well. pretty nifty. quite fun, very cool. like triple thumbs up. and i, it would be really nice...if she was not the anti christ... okay. thats all im saying okay. dont make her the anti-christ plz.
@@stevenevetsthethirdrichir because we know her numbers and this is a theory crafting channel, theorycrafters don't necessarily need to play a character themselves to understand how good/bad they are, they just have to see things like animations/ICDs/synergies etc. So, contrary to popular belief you actually CAN analyze a unit before their release, at least in the state that they are in which often doesn't change drastically around 3 weeks before the update, so basically right now.
This is my first video about an unreleased character since the copyright strike. I've avoided every kind of leaked image, or mention of Dehya's abilities by name, so there shouldn't be any issues this time around.
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Prayge Our father who art in heaven, hear me out man plz. I beg of you. Theres this video game, mr god sir. Its called genshin impact. a lot of the times it really sucks but sometimes its really cool. and in this video game there is this character that will be release soon that i think is pretty well. pretty nifty. quite fun, very cool. like triple thumbs up. and i, it would be really nice...if she was not the anti christ... okay. thats all im saying okay. dont make her the anti-christ plz.
Dehya may be Pyro Nilou for burgeon. Apply dendro then go to town with Dehya for specialized burgeon damage.
Never would have thought i seen the day where a Klee variation team overall DPS surpassing a new pyro character.
sad indeed
I cant believe most people force her to become dps after reading her skill. Is this the best people can came out with ? No wonder you need your favorite youtuber to tell you how to build and play a character 😂
@@harfi212 How about myhoyo stop trying to shove on field dmg dealing kit into support character skills. First Kokomi, now Dehya. Can't you see how bad designed their kit is? On field dmg dealing bursts, constellations and weapons on a support character, like give them a full support kit already if you want players to build them as support. At least Kokomi was saved because she's a hydro character with good application, what can Dehya offer then?
@@harfi212 they do because her defensive capabilities are terrible
@@harfi212 but her support is strictly worse than any shielder or healer so why would you build her support? Thoma has way more reaction potential so EM build isn’t viable either
Best Dehya team :
Nahida, XQ/Yelan, Kuki, Dehya
Rotation :
Nahida E -> Kuki E -> XQ/Yelan Q E -> Nahida NA
Violation
XD
Dehya : 👁️👄👁️
This is genius, gonna copy this team and rotation when dehya is released
Its also bis team for xinyan, amber and few others
Think whales are going to use Ayaka’s burst to melt Dehya’s burst
My last hope is that they are planning to massively buff her inbetween end of this beta cycle and release as a way to discourage viewing leaked scalings and maybe even kits down the road
the problem is not the multipliers(buff) it's her kit and she's going to be released in less than a month so changing her kit now is impossible...it's really sad...
The problem with doing that is that they won’t have enough time to actually properly play test her. She might release completely broken overpowered or still be broken useless lol.
But that means wasting 4 weeks worth of beta testing. Also, leakers will still leak anyway and people will still follow said leak because there's almost nothing to do in game after you've done with story and event.
@@syoonatsu8355 The thing is her kit can be improved by simply changing numbers.
Like cutting the interval of her skill proc to 2 seconds, doubling her skill scaling and increasing its' duration to 20 seconds.
This could make her quite a decent 5 star even if the burst remains the same, and there probably wont be newfound bugs with these changes.
They could also try to change her burst to proc Xingqiu and Yelan if they are thinking potential bugs and compensations wouldnt outweight the amount of players who stop searching leaks.
@@vukkicos5688 I'm just hammering my head thinking how they could make her work with yelan/xingqui :o
they should have made her burning focused so she would have a niche she excels at but instead we are trying to compete with xinyan and aloy for worst position
Surely Hoyo will buff her or provide some type of mini rework. Maybe an artifact set that will bring power tuning for her to a new lvl compared to other sets. Or just a flat out % buff on her baseline numbers. I doubt they will release such a hyped character in a gutted state.
They need to test her tho, with beta ending in about a week, idk if thats possible
Hyped is a strong word, in china no one really cares for dehya, is more the west that likes her.
Her best artifact set is 4 pc emblem.
@@catsouplover7745 wait really?? how come chinese player not like new Charcater like dehya?
Her exclusive artifact set specifically made for her kit already leaked along with baizhu artifact. Her new artifact set makes her kinda usable but it should be on her base kit in the first place..
The more they hate Dehya the more i love her, I don't care about her kit and numbers, she will be my pyro dps no matter what the outcome until her release.
Its not the playerbase who hates Dehya, its Hoyoverse.
@@kadatheklund2904 then curse you Hoyoverse 😆
@@kadatheklund2904 dont disrespect Dehya, i love her too, blame her developer for making her kit shit as f
@@NSaysSilly i actually wanted her to be like an AOE Hu Tao or something but not even close, i like the character but hoyo actually did it this time.
And this is why Hyv never gives a sh*t for making garbage chars and get away with it
Info from Zajeff:
"As I understand it, the testers were actually been complaining nonstop. She dies alot cuz her low HP and she cant dodge at her burst state. "
but at lvl90 she has 15.6k base hp how can she die alot?
@@yurimiracle7768 Because she takes damage from your other character. So when she is on field, her HP is still low and you'll be easily clapped.
@@karashuun1083 I thought she just absorbs damage and then do something with it to reflect I didn't know she actually takes damage. Oh my what hoyoverse made with her..
@@yurimiracle7768 her passive will heal it back. When she drops to 30% she’ll regenerate 70%.
@@ivansmirnov7342 passive works once every 20 seconds or so, and I'm sure it won't be enough for her
I just want her E skill to proc faster, her ult duration to extend, and get of her locked c1 with that HP Ascension stat and make it a passive. That's literally it otherwise her kit is damn near unusable
Nice video!, Hope you could do an Ayato analysis I don't know why but it looks like content creator just slap him on Hyperbloom a call it a day without taking into account how other teams perform for him specially with cons ! Keep the good work, great analysis !
you watch the videos from his release then. he hasn’t changed much other than he can perform well in a new team.
His release videos are no different than that they tested him like another Childe, there was no analysis on optimal rotations, sometimes when you try to do it like a normal hypercarry it's just too much time lost considering his skill has a 6sec CD sometimes your damage doubles when just using 2 like kazuha/Yunjin and then Kazuha/Mona/Bennet or w/e, but maybe is not really optimal? I test that on my account but maybe someone like him that does the math shows something different.
@@user-ue7gt6cr1v ahh i see then. you want to see the math behind it as well. this probably won’t help but i watch ayato spiral abyss runs with different teams to see how well he performs. i do this with other characters too bc i know content creators don’t show how to play them in other teams.
Thanks. I know she was in a bad state but this video help me get the full picture clearly. Nice video
The only problem is that making an artifact exclusively for her isn't that of a big impact since the winners will also be hu tao ,xiao
Female desert eremites gain a 1000% damage bonus - boom, no Hu Tao powercreep
@@kirin1230 lmaooo
Considering the space between her skills procs and the character releasing with her, I’d say she was primarily made for melt teams
I think we are just stuck on the same template here: carry, burst DPS, support. Lets just theorize: WHAT IF a character can take the field only half of the time, giving another half to a similar character of the different element? I don't know if you are aware, but Kokomi + Raiden works exactly this way: they both have a "selfish burst" and its duration is kinda in the middle between Xiao and Albedo/Mona/Xinyan. So this actually already happened, we do have both DPS and support units which can share the field in order to do their thing.
hoyo try to make a dark-skinned character that is good challenge (impossible)
Eh, Kaeya still rocks
Is heartbreaking , she is such a nice character and I love her look and personality but they had to make her kit so weird
Could you PLEASE review her weapon (beacon of reed sea) in another dps chars? DILUC, Eula... ty
It's good for both Diluc and Eula since it gives attack after skill. It's good for Diluc since his skill CD is low. For Eula it's kinda good if you don't have SoBP since people rock WGS as an alternative.
@@thesheepersgame5199 well yeah, but i wanted to know a bit more with some calculations vs wgs on Diluc.
I have a very different plan for Dehya personally. I'm currently planning on using her as a pyro character for a burgeon team. Build her full em with the new event em claymore coming at the same time and just use her as an elemental skill bot for burgeon. Functionally using her in the same way as em raiden for hyperbloom. The mitigations and interuption resistance is just a nice bonus that she will provide. Full team I'm looking at is Nahida, Dehya, Xingqui/Yelan, and Kokomi. Not the best dps team build or anything, just hyper comfy as I am a casual player.
thoma applies pyro faster for burgeon, and due to his ICD he applies pyro less on actual enemies (so he triggers burning less, which can ruin burgeon) and has better defensive utility overall over dehya even when he's at c0.
What do you think about a new artifact set saving Dehya? How would you design an artifact set specifically for her?
maybe one of the two new artifact sets will complete her kit. it might work on hu tao too if it would work like this:
2p - %pyro/+ 20% hp
4p - using ele. skill and lose health give a xyz buff
I kinda refuse that a character will remain like this. Probably they will bring some new mechanic with new characters that will benefit her?
I think so. She looks like good for coop TBH. Her kit makes her a good tank for coop as she gets the damage from her team. They purposely did her kit so they have something in mind.
@@thesheepersgame5199 exactly I find her really unique..at least new artifact or new support might make her work
some characters do take time till something new comes to fix them
Have you tried out Ganyu melt team with Dehya, Nahida and bennett, compare to the standard Xiangling/zhongli/bennett?
I REALLY doubt if it'll be better than the same team but with kazuha instead of dehya. However, if the pyro gauge from Dehya is good enough, it's totally possible to do Dehya/Kazuha/Bennett/Ganyu, which will be easier to manage than XL melt's ridiculous ER reqs, while saving Nahida on other side of abyss.
Dehya is perfect as a tank. U know like when Raiden boss decide to do final calamity, that's the perfect time to put her on the field.
I hope Hyv has actual plans for her kit in the future where we can make use of her potential like what happened with Thoma, Kuki and Alhaitham.
I saw leak on Baizhu that mentioned quite a few of possible elemental reaction in the future. So...
That would be the best!
_dies of copium overdose_
What do you mean alhaitham? He is completely viable right now and his teams are actually quite competitive. If you mean his nerfs, after seeing so many showcases and trying him myself I can see why they decided to lower his scalings a bit tbh 💀
@@mandyred1 What I mean is by fans early perception of his talent dmg. From his leaks alone, most of 'em look down on him until his release.
Yes, as you said, now they know that Alhaitham is actually OP despite what hyv gave him. He is actually worth your Primogems.
@@prime1773 most people don’t understand how dendro works, and severely underestimate dendro reactions. Even if he has half the amount of damage he has right now, he’d still be decent because he can drive a hyperbloom team. Seperate “fans” with TC that screams “bad” or “OP”, because they only heard other people said some stuff without thinking by themself.
Well thoma and kuki got buffed by a whole new element . You're saying they release another element in the future?? Interesting tbh can't see it happening anytime soon though.
I was thinking Bennett, Kazuha, Ayaka, Dehia, for guaranteed melts on all her attacks during her burst or at least all of them within CD, cuz Ayaka cryo applications speed probably the best
the problem is its 2,5sec e skill proc and her e skill duration is not longer as Albedo which is u forced to use Dehya burst skill to reset her e skill. also i heard Dehya e skill DMG are not great
Dehya doesn't apply enough pyro for that, xiangling would be a better option since her pyronado has no ICD.
There are some new characters put there that yet to be released, who knows it might be a good support for Dehya or she might be better than expected, she's hasn't been released yet in global server so we're not entirely sure whether or not she's good or bad
Your not wrong but the thing is nearly any support that can make the current Dehya good would make Hutao, Diluc, Xiangling ect broken, and pulling for a character because we might get a future good character isn't a good mindset
But you are right that this is just beta version. She can very well get buffed in the future.
@@quolpmu1232 it seems like Kuki/Yae situation or even Kokomi situation. In first case Dehya will be powered up by new mechanics (f.e. - dendro reactions, or something else), in second - Hoyoverse will give Dehya her signature artifact set + new characters to play with.
I'm coping on that, at least.
@@verylazypigeon Thats high cope, too high in fact. I can think of absolutely nothing that buff dehya and doesn't buff the other pyro carries so much that its basically irrelevant for her.
Make an pyro artifact that rewards on being low HP? Thats just Hu tao's new BiS.
New hydro supports that buffs burst damage? Xiangling's new best friend.
Hydro archon scaling with max HP and converting HP to damage? Again Hu tao's best support.
This can't be another yae/kuki because fontaine won't release a new element, and dehya kit doesn't provide anything worthwhile for her "niche" to be fixed later.
What about risky comps ? Like Rosa Q Melts with Dehyas Q. Or Ayaka- Dehya. Also if picking Up Millelith and Using another shielder/supporter with Noblesse. Its partywide 40% atk buff and 30% shield buff. If taking pyro resonance into account: 65% ATK. Plus Dehya Mitigation and shield, you are almost immortal.
So uh, is she buffed yet? Don't keep up with the leaks but there's no way Hoyo leaves her kit be right?
right???
thank you for the great effort!
but what about burgeon??
Her low proc frequency and AoE makes it hard to analyze burgeon for her atm.
Thoma is better since his burst interval is 1s while dehya’s skill interval is 2.5s
For a new artifact set I'm hoping for a HP 2set, with a 4set acting like emblem set but based on how low the unit's hp is
So she could destroy the 4p effect with her own passive ?
PeRfEcT.
there are leaks of 3.5 trial event where u use dehya with raiden, yao yao and xingqiu for possibly burgeon/hyperbloom team.
her new f2p claymore is considered her 2nd strongest burgeon weapon after her new 5* claymore which solidifies her role as a slow burgeon while using hyperbloom procs between dehya's skill 2.5 seconds intervals.
of course that doesn't validate her kit as u are literally ditching out her burst and her skill's duration 12 seconds with 20 seconds cool down, unless u are aiming for c2 to prolong her skill by 4 seconds.
Everyone gave up TC-ing her she’s that bad 😔
UPDATE: according to reliable grapevine scuttlebutt, her beta build just changed again. Her atk multipliers went WAY down, but it looks like she now has 2 sets of HP multipliers, 1 on her base kit, and 1 on her c1. There's other stuff too, like an extra damage source on her c2.
Implications: it might mean her kit is more integrated now, but unfortunately it reduces effect of wolf's gravestone, and Bennet and other atk buffs, but makes hp twice as viable... which is a but odd with yelan and xq because her burst doesn't proc their bursts... so it's a bit if a conundrum and I'm curious of your thoughts with the NEW numbers.
Is it good that she's more integrated split scaling? Or is the loss of Bennets efficacy for her an overall massive nerf?
Thank you grapevine scuttlebut!
@@TheGenshinScientist *pours one out for ol grapevine* cheers!
I love your channel so much, thanks a lot for your work
You're welcome!
Theory crafters are right like they were right for kazuha,kokomi,yohimiya,raiden etc
Does mostly skipping ER, going full CD/CR and planning for bursting every other rotation help at all?
Instead of a weak burst every rotation maybe you get a decent burst eventually... At the very least it should make it less of a dps loss to swap in and burst lol.
No it won't make that worth the field time on double carry teams
@@TheGenshinScientist Yeah that figures.
A 6 second animation burst with low numbers and standard ICD just doesn't cut it. Doesn't matter what multipliers you throw at it.
what about ganyu, dehya, nahida, bennett. dendro allows for longer burning and dehyas off-field pyro will allow the continuous application of burning :o
Bennett and Nahida is enough for burning. You're also sacrificing Kazuha in that slot there so your Ganyu will do a lot less damage.
EM EM EM on Paradise Lost with Sacrificial Greatsword might be my build for her honestly 🤔 her defensive utility might make burgeon more interesting (though Thoma + Zhongli probably still better lol)
Idk i kinda have an idea mayby she would fit in a burgeon team like deyah nahida xinqui and yelan sunce she has low pyro application she wouldnt trigger burning that often and she could take then all the burgeon damage from the explosions with nahida as the on field driver since shes so squishy but even then i dont get why u would use that team over hyperbloom and nilou bloom but for now i think that would be a good option
Thoma is a much better unit for this, he also provides shield and you don't need a healer.
@@melmelkdonalds5639 she might not even be a better upgrade to thoma as burgeon trigger, since thoma has a wide frontal arc to his fiery collapses which makes triggering burgeon quite easy. If her E proc is large like raiden's then she might have a chance.
@@FreneticPotato and also she doesnt need her burst for the job unlike thoma who has 80 energy so he has to buil er and em while deyah could go full em still wouldnt recommend her for that purpose tho
Is this video after she got the Max HP Extra Scaling?
No but that was a basically insignificant buff,
I really want her even if she is disappointed with gameplay. But I’m just so confused with the Artifacts. What Artifacts do I need to farm and what Stats do I need? I may play her in a Burgeon or a Vaporize Team
So her best asset is interruption resistance? I guess I’ll take that.
Maybe solving energy recharge issue & improving her numbers by a bit on some reactions maybe overload or burgeon would make her more useful &unique
what if the new artifact set enables constellations per damage taken?!.. ))
It really looks like ZhongLi's scaling, but with more utility for damage dealers
That would make sense as they've already done it with Xiao but, I'm not sure if that will be good in a lot of situations.
If it truly is the case, then the damage taken must be multiplied because an extra 15-20k flat damage is not that great if she can't even reliably do vapes with standard ICD. She would be like Itto but with far less DPS and a very conditional way of dealing actual damage.
But, eh... We don't really know what will happen in the future. I'm still pissed about the C1 garbage they did with her.
My copium is that they will buff her after players spend pulls on Yelan / Hu Tao banners + weapon
If she is not playable until Fontaine synergy, sadge
She'll be different upon release I'm sure. They are trolling us. They want us to roll for Hu Tao and Yelan. Which is why she hasn't been updated in beta further.
that makes no sense. why waste their beta period, which is meant to test a character, just to troll leakers? they have what, a week left? that leaves them hardly any time to test her if they were to completely change her kit.
@XanderKai the values/scalings "%'s" aren't accurate. Some units have released in a different state than when the Beta was running. Yae Miko is one of them. Dehya screams this. Hoyoverse is hip to the leaks and doom posting and will use it to their advantage. Dehya will be fine.
@@xanderkai6353 I share the sentiments but they have until 3.4 is over💀 3.5 does not come out in a week
Bro but the new artifact for dehya set Is a secure leak?
no
That was confirmed to be fake
Thanks Doc
Does her upcoming signature set change anything btw?
no burngeon team analys?
she isnt good in burngeon so its not even worth looking into
Would nilou's hydro application be better than mona for vape?
Mona has her Q buff and TTDS. Hard to compete against that.
Looks like she is gonna be another Yae Miko. Her true value will come out when the hydro archon is released
When i heard about her kit i as really thinking about mona as her team mate, im really disappointed about her state and she deserves better.
what if dehya is like a kokomi during release, straight garbage then new artifact elevated her to s tier. maybe new artifact for dehya will do the same.
That new artifact only did a dent on her placement in Meta. She’s good because she’s a hydro character, that can apply offfield with healing, there’s no way she can be bad from the start. And S tier is an overstatement imo.
Kokomi was already good before that infact clam isn't even her best in slot in alot of her teams.
I don't think she can vape 5/10 hits unless she doesn't follow standard ICD which she does afaik
Actually yeah small mistake in the vid, it's 5 with the kick
1st hit vape
2nd hit no vape
3rd hit no vape
4th hit vape
5th hit no vape
6th hit no vape
7th hit vape
8th hit vape
9th hit no vape
10th hit no vape
kick vape
the two vapes in a row are due to the time rule and 3 hit rule being separate
Doesn't change anything for the mona calc since I already assumed she'd vape only 4 times there
This is not a cope because I'm not pulling*
With all those changes with Dehya, She's still pretty bad and I see no potential of her getting buffed significantly. That being said, it gives me an idea that future character(s) might change the way she plays or buff her so much that Hoyoverse is way too cautious with buffing her. Hear me out, Hoyoverse will not make and design a character for a bad bad sales which they will rerun for years. Dehya wanters, if you are dedicated on pulling for her, You have a great chance of having another character who's meant for her to play with.
It's really sad that this video will become irrelevant soon. Because surely Hoyoverse will buff her next monday, right? RIGHT?!
it would be pretty funny if they nerf her damage and buff her constellation the second time lol.
RIGHT?!?!?!
They will realease an artifact set that allows Dehya to do more dmg based on a percentage of the dmg she absorbed for the team. A new artifact set is due on 3.6
hoyoverse doesnt buff characters that much in beta so if they did it would be minor
Did you take her leaked artifact set into account
its a fake leak
@@edenrav that’s a bummer, i hope the real one is at least one par with it
I was thinking:
Kazuha running VV
C6 Bennet running Noblesse
C1 Dehya (gotta get use from that HP stat somehow lol) running Emblem of Severed Fate
Zhongli running Tenacity
Basically trying to maximize uptime on Dehya while throwing as many buffs on her as possible lmao
Why u need dehya when u can have Bennet?
She's a 5 star, if she isn't going to do a lot of damage, then what is the point of making the character? Just money purposes? Because they figured the rest of the characters still in process of making may be better? I don't understand Hoyoverse but if this to do with ego and money, then it will be pretty sad for everyone including me who will pull for Dehya on the day but who knows, she may receive buffs later on like they did with Yae Miko
Woulden't Deyha be good in Melt Ganyu tho?
If the team is Ganyu-Deyha-Nahida-Zhongli, it should work wonders. Yes I know its a full 5 star team, and its a bit pathetic that she is only there to hit with pyro every 5 seconds but oh well...at least she has some purpose.
As for the DPS that you stated, that Zhongli versions would provide more damage, well damage is not everything especially not for Melt Ganyu, since if you form the teams around her, she can deal a ridiculous amount of damage with Bennet+Jean+Zhongli.(I myself can reach 200k + CA shots in that scenario).
The freedom she would provide by making you no longer need to stay in the circle and no longer need to switch back into a pyro unit to reapply burning would be fairly ok .
She would still not be worth pulling for, but she can provide some freedom in the Melt Ganyu composition.
Nahida freed Melt Ganyu of Burst reliance and Dehya could free her of needing to switch to a pyro unit when or if the pyro on the enemy gets extinguished . It surely would be an improvement even if you trade , 4k theoretical max DPS, which on its own is honestly not that indicative of much. This is something that annoys me about TC's for Genshin. They treat it like any other game where DPS is king, despite the fact that Genshin is not played like that at all and despite the fact that sheets are just data that and not conclusions....
I don't treat dps as conclusive, when a character could offer something from a practical standpoint, I keep that in mind.
Let me go through what you said.
First, if you bring Zhongli, is it really that necessary to use dehya compared to other pyro units? Even if you're using nahida with burning, her low frequency, low aoe app wouldn't be great for multi-target scenarios. Also, I just don't think burning is that great if you don't use somebody like kazuha on the team.
Is staying within Bennett's circle really that big of a deal for Ganyu? I feel like she's one of the characters that suffers the least from that limitation.
Besides, as I say in the video, Melt ganyu with dehya is not bad, but just worse than using zhongli, and then using the remaining two slots for pyro app.
I truly wish Dehya provided something unique for that type of comp, since I like her as a character, but she doesn't from what I've analyzed.
@@TheGenshinScientist "First, if you bring Zhongli, is it really that necessary to use dehya compared to other pyro units?"
Eh, I personally use Instructor Yanfei with TTDS in that slot, so its not hard to reaply pyro at all, however, I could imagine that the convenience of it could be attractive to some.
"Even if you're using nahida with burning, her low frequency, low aoe app wouldn't be great for multi-target scenarios."
W8, so her E does not work Like Albedo's or what? Burning does not need that much pyro application so I thought that it could work fine.
"Also, I just don't think burning is that great if you don't use somebody like kazuha on the team."
Ah, so when you are talking about melt Ganyu , you are refering to the versions that don't use Nahida? Those versions work and are pretty strong, but I feel like what holds them down is not the DPS but how frustrating they are to play. Can you imagine using those teams against bosses with invulnerability phases or like the ruin serpent?
"Is staying within Bennett's circle really that big of a deal for Ganyu? I feel like she's one of the characters that suffers the least from that limitation."
In theory it would not be a problem since she is the only true ranged character in the game, however, you need to apply pyro to the monsters, no? Of the pyro applicatiors that are out there, all of them need the monsters to be close to the circle to apply pyro. XL needs them to be somewhat close, Jean and Kazuha need the circle to do the pyro application and so on.
"I truly wish Dehya provided something unique for that type of comp, since I like her as a character, but she doesn't from what I've analyzed"
Yeah, its a sad state of affairs.
Should I go for C1 or just stay C0 🤔.
then maybe like zhongli, her burst doesnt matter... but her elemental skill matters
sadly her E were not as long duration as zhongli, and only 2.5s per tick with 12s duration
Her elemetal skill multipliers are actual crap and they only apply once every 2.5 seconds, her burst is her main source of damage.
Her elemetal skill passive also does everything zhongli's shield does but worst, like stricitly objectively worst at literally everything. weaker resistance to interruption, weaker damage blocking, has 60% uptime and your stuck on a AoE field instead of the shield following you.
I love her so I'm going to pull for her. And hoping that a new artifact set will save her.
But of course. I finally really like an Event Pyro 5* and she seems to perform.. not really good
Have some copium for our fav character..
thank you for not frogetting dehya 😢
I feel like Dehya was built to be used with the Hydro Archon, which would synergize with her current kit, hence the bad damage multipliers.
With the current roster, Dehya only has a few notable teammates and she herself seems to be bad in every team role compared to other better characters. This would be like how when dendro element drastically made certain characters roles change and made them much better.
At release she will be pretty bad, with a limited role in any team. However with the release of the Hydro Archon it will probably make her much better in a team. I really don't like this approach from Hoyoverse to sell us the solution to fix a bad character by getting another character in future patches.
I mean, her C1 is already pretty telling. They're very transparent now with what they _really want_ and dropped the act. They really went with the half-eaten pie route 👁️👄👁️
What exactly do we know of the hydro archon rn that would make her work exceptionally with dehya? Genuinely curious cuz I don’t really keep up with leaks
@@typh2630 Nothing, people are just trying to bullshit an excuse for why would Mihoyo design a character so obviously bad and give her no redeeming qualities.
Nice 👌
I like your theorycrafting videos as you don't say directly that a character is shit unlike other theorycrafters.
After a few patches from their release every characters improves like yae miko after dendro.
And many meta team after 3.0 has fallen off the Meta like Ganyu Morgana and Ayaka Freeze because of introduction of new boss and highly mobile enemy which cannot be freezed.
Meta is temporary but playing with your favourite character is the real enjoyment.
I like your optimism, even if nothing changes she still has utility in her durability. A new character that adds damage reflect or a retribution attack could go a long ways.
The most recent spiral abyss shows an uptrend in incoming damage as well, so maybe dps wont always be the only metric worth chasing. Even in the current game Bennet only heals to 75% hp so Dehya will help prevent 1 shots where he is your only healer.
She remains in zhong li's shadow even in this usage at the moment though. It's like they were afraid to make her outshine him by any metric.
I feel like she's gonna be a second Zhongli. People keep saying she sucks because of her damage but her kit points to a Zhongli type damage mitigation support character so i don't know why people keep focusing on her damage instead.
Because her burst is significantly different from Zhongli. Dehya's burst does nothing but damage, not AOE, not front-loaded, takes 7s field time, and cost 80. On the other hand, Zhongli's burst has CC, has big AOE, is front-loaded, takes only 2s (which is still long), and costs only 40.
With more drawbacks for Dehya, it is natural to expect high numbers from her to compensate.
@@TYR1139 Umm, that's too pessimistic though. Current Zhongli is pretty balanced in my eyes: strong-AF shield with universal shred + CC every now and then.
If you use hybrid build, his burst does pretty good damage. Mine has 37k HP, 70/210 CRIT, and he does 100k without Benny.
Other shielder : Take 100% of damage so you don't need a healer, low field time, high up time, and better duration.
But the issue is, she won't provide the Zhongli experience. By Zhongli experience, I mean comfort. Sure, she provides resistance to interruption, but it's not 100% uptime. Sure, she provide damage mitigation, but it's not 100%. So what does this mean? You'll need another unit to compensate for her, whether it be another battery for her ult, or healer for her E -- literally the same issue launch Zhongli had before he was buffed. She's just not good right now. I'm sure they can make content centered around her niche, but it still doesn't mean she's universally good.
Except Zhongli was shit at launch and got buffed
Dehya won't get that treatment
So Dehya is pre Dendro Yae Miko. got it
She could have been 5 star Thoma.... But I'm waiting for her released to judge her fairly
Don’t worry guys she will be given 1000% multipliers at C0
dehya's main selling point is her interuption resistance, and pyro application, and the best team i can think of at the moment is ganyu burning melt with nahida+bennett, and her build would be EM focused to maximize burning, but even then i'm not so sure🥵
not good damage and not even good for team composition?
She is likely a burning enabler, based on her timings.
This means burning melt or straight burning like Nilou.
So… either there will be a new mechanic or change to her kit to buff burning, or there will be a new Nilou-like character that perfectly synergizes with Dehya.
so basically Dehya only good in mono PYRO Team comp??? thats pretty BAD..i hope hoyo buff dehya
It seems she isn't DPS to begin with. Her kit makes her a tank and support with her interruption reduction than a DPS especially with her nerf. She's probably DPS with constellations. It's weird how Hoyo made her but maybe she'll be "useful" in future updates.
Well there's really no point for tanks when you can just dodge/ use shields
@@jenr4m3fu83ensjr3 I think she will be for future content. Maybe they will introduce COOP content as her tank abilities are useful for COOP as she tanks everyone within the field while giving damage interruption. I mean, units like Kuki were said to be bad until dendro came. They won't make her kit like that unless they plan to make her viable. Her ascension stats were already weird from the start and it seems intentional.
I mean abyss is built to be speed ran so there is no need for tank as you need to clear a floor in 3 min from both sides. Tank will just make you slower and weaker as we already have dodge, heal and shield. So I don’t really know what they expected when the needed her so much.
@@spaisik3984 They would probably release a coop abyss or content? Don't know since they had been releasing more coop based events in the past and people had been complaining to give more end game content. Her kit was intentional so I think there's more that we don't know. Kuki's kit was the same but when Sumeru came, her kit became very good. As well as Yae since some said she's bad and her EM scaling didn't made any sense.
@@thesheepersgame5199 as I remember Mihoyo doesn’t want want to add new permanent content like abyss cause it gives “anxiety” - obviously it’s bullshit and they probably don’t want to do that anyways
How are you going to analyze her teams and not even mention burning, which she was obviously created for? 🙈
Because as far as we can see she isn't burning focused. No em scaling passive and constellations of any kind. She can be USED for burning, but at expense of her being good at her actual role (thoma burdgeon being a good example of this, is at his best as a full em burdgeon proccer but has no em scaling in his whole kit, which makes his actual shield paper thin as a result).
No wonder mihoyo gave Dehya a makeup set in her idle animation. She is a whole clown of a character. No real identity in the game, no role were she excells and a terrible kit. GG go next!
dehya Mona kazuha TTOS kokomi comfy double nuke comp
Meanwhile Diluc and klee burgeon is now meta.
Poor dehya
I pity the people that will roll for her on her initial run. Sad simps, it's some pixels.
Inb4 dehya kokomi yae nahida hyperburgeon is meta
Dehya E skill is game changing with interruption resistance, damage mitigation, and pyro application. Dehya is utility support
Interruption resistance, damage mitigation and pyro application. Isn't that Thoma and Xinyan?
Oh wait, Thoma and Xinyan at least give 100% damage mitigation and full interruption resistance.
@@karashuun1083 the only good about dehya e skill compare to thoma/Xinyan is dealing more DMG. but i heard Dehya E skill DMG is a joke because her DMG base of ATK meawhile she has HP accension which is SAD
@@swordmaster4448 She got buffed and have HP scaling now. But it cost her ATK scaling so in the end the damage is only buffed by few percent.
Melt Ganyu with Dehya is good I guess
Hoyo is just racist for this. It’s not just a coincidence that Dehya and Xinyan happen to be some of the worst characters in the game.
Prayge Our father who art in heaven, hear me out man plz. I beg of you. Theres this video game, mr god sir. Its called genshin impact. a lot of the times it really sucks but sometimes its really cool. and in this video game there is this character that will be release soon that i think is pretty well. pretty nifty. quite fun, very cool. like triple thumbs up. and i, it would be really nice...if she was not the anti christ... okay. thats all im saying okay. dont make her the anti-christ plz.
Sad 😭
bruh why people analyzing UNRELEASED characters...
Why are you here then? If you're not interested, you could just have not watched the video? 🤔
Damn bro, I can't believe people are trying to make content about a game with no content.
@@keepingtheknightslinetrue2057 answers please
@@stevenevetsthethirdrichir because we know her numbers and this is a theory crafting channel, theorycrafters don't necessarily need to play a character themselves to understand how good/bad they are, they just have to see things like animations/ICDs/synergies etc. So, contrary to popular belief you actually CAN analyze a unit before their release, at least in the state that they are in which often doesn't change drastically around 3 weeks before the update, so basically right now.
Top tier marketing strategies
All these whiners in the comments. The Waifu>meta principle is weak in your hearts. What has become of our community. Most saddening Indeed.
No even mention of Burning. Disappointing.
Because it is bad on her
The more damage your onfield character takes the more necesarry a healer is, and thus, pointless to have dehya's damage mitigation
Want me to tell you how good dehya is at burning? Easy, just one word:*SHIT*
Who even uses burning lmao..? Not just on her, it's bad on every character and team as of now.
Hoyo wants you to quit genshin. Not every character is a hyper carry and with the right set and weapon any character can beat all enemies on map
with a character design like hers, you can't help but expected her to be dps.
Mind telling me how can I beat the pyro hypotasis with a pyro character?
@@jenr4m3fu83ensjr3 physical dmg
@@jenr4m3fu83ensjr3 deyha will be able to 1 man Pyro cube
@@KafkasSole yknow you need to break its pyro shield first, and you need a hydro character to beat it
Soooooooooo no soloing