Why didn't Germany just attack the Caucasus by Sea to get the oil?
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2022
- If Germany needed oil to win in 1942, then why didn't they make an amphibious landing in the Caucasus and supply their troops that way? Well, let's find out!
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The Germans did attempt to reinforce the Black Sea by moving U-boats by canal and overland. Six U-boats reached the Black Sea and formed the 30th U-boat flotilla. There may have been other light vessels like Italian torpedo boats, but even bringing in these small vessels overland was a huge task. Drachinifel has a video on the subject for anyone interested.
When he said "possible works in hearts of iron 4" I died xDDD, kinda amazing how people get ideas from the game and actually wonder if it would work in real life
Would be amazing if u broke down the Ukraine war
Love when TIK takes occasional jabs at HOI4. I would really like to see a gameplay video where he tries the different theories and ideas given to him.
works in hoi4
This seems like the type of thing that looks good in a video game, but in reality, was not viable. Amphibious landings are a nightmare in ideal situations. When the Axis were never particularly well set up for black sea operations in the first place, I can’t imagine them being able to land enough forces for a sustained campaign and supply them for said campaign.
This is why nato were so eager to get turkey to join them.
To add, you should note that when Tik draws the map you see a long line of Soviet Territory even when Germany has Maikop. Why not just crush that flank? What the map doesn't show is the coastline is mostly blocked off by a large mountain range. There simply is no shortcut by sea. You'd have to land in areas which the army was going to already pass through anyways. A lot of extra effort that simply wouldn't have tilted the operation.
Because the proposal is an absolute nonstarter for 100 reasons-- sort of like Japan invading Hawaii or Australia.
Is our society really so immature that we now need to refer to him as "Mr H" to avoid RUclips penalties? Why am I even asking...I know the answer smh
"If it can be done in HOI4, it can be done in real life as well"
In order to land 2 armies in Sicily, an armygroup sized force, the Allies assembled up to 3000 ships. Most small ships, landing craft, transports, but also cruisers, destroyers and aircraft carriers. Not even the Soviet Black Sea Fleet and its Axis fleet counterparts together could match that. I think that explains pretty much why no amphibious operation of Armygroup size was possible. The biggest amphibious operation that the Reich ever did was Norway, which involved transporting 7 divisions by air and sea, and it took the entire Kriegsmarine surface fleet, luftwaffe air transport units and some seat on the pants improvisation. And that had the advantage of being fairly close to their logistical bases, having to cross only a short distance from Germany. And even then the Kriegsmarine suffered critical losses.
The 3rd Minesweeping Flotilla of the Kriegsmarine had an interesting story, they were taken to Magedeburgh, transported by road to the Danube and sailed down the Danube to the Black Sea. They were given orders to stop the Soviets supplies across the Kerch Straits, This they did with remarkable success with assistance from E Boats also send down the Danube. The called it nautical street fighting at often metres apart, some times operating so close that they were below the elevation of the Russian guns. They adapted what they could including using mine fields to control access and borrowed some multiple rocket launchers “Stalin Organs”. The achieved control of the Kerch Straits.
As you have well established, the primary problem the Germans faced in Fall Blau was logistics. Once they began moving past the Don they didn't have the rail support to move supplies to their forward units. That is why their supply officers suggested rebuilding the bridges over the Kalach and building a double track rail line to Stalinegrad.
Thank you for answering my question. It always blew my mind how obvious the answer to the Caucuses question was right there, but yes Turkish demilitarizing their straights makes sense and a "hand off" approach could really of been a big game changer.
I saw a WWII video in the past that showed that the Italian navy had several lighter ships (like the German Schnell boats) in the Black Sea , & will try to locate the source. Think they had been transported by rail, if my memory serves me correctly.
I'm from Romania, we had just 3 submarines of which only the first, the Italian build NMS Delfinul (HMS Dolphin), was heavily engaged during the first 2 years of the war, afterwards was in docks for repairs. The other two, NMS Rechinul (HMS Shark) and NMS Marsuinul (HMS Porpoise) were available only in 1944.
Okay TIK. The penultimate question that everyone of us is burning with passion to hear the answer to:
I did often wonder this, and this brilliantly answered my suspicions. Thanks TIK, keep up the great work
Your library gives my goosebumps! What a great reading list!