Besides seeing large apartment buildings being blown down on Oct. 8th, what really awoke my heart fully the first week was seeing a small, seemed about 6 year old girl, walking alone through rubble, carefully cradling her fluffy cat in her arms, balancing as he walked. That image has been seared in my heart the past14 months. I doubt she or cat is alive, but that focus on caring, as if it was all she had left, and the cats complete trust in her arms.... amid the horror.... deep love, deep humanity. thank you Susan, and jadalliyya.
Susan I have been following you for years. Everything you observe is so insightful, and honest. I read & have a copy of "Mornings in Jenin" which I may have read in 2014. It gave me a glimpse into the Palestinian heart & soul. However now I must say seeing your dog jump up for affection, and your black cat sleeping in his or her bed next to you makes me love you all the more. Thank you for continuing to fight, and bring awareness into the world.
The whole conversation was powerful and gut-wrenching, as they all have been. But that last point on coexistence with our more-than-human relatives was unexpected and so very welcome. As a student of Indigenous Knowledges and advocate for Indigenous Peoples, and as an ecologist specializing in climate impacts on "nature" and non-humans, this was the first conversation on Jadaliyya that I can remember that explicitly tied the insanity of the atrocities in the Middle East (and elsewhere) to the destruction of our planet, at least that brings it into focus in a comprehensive way. Thank you and I hope we will see more of this.
What an amazing woman! I am so glad to have found this site and to learn so much more from her and from several more like here who stand firmly against the vile and evil events all across Palestine at this hour and for so long.
I want to just say that I absolutely resonate with Susan’s perspective on co-existence with all living beings. Our felt-disconnection is the root of how we’re able to treat “others” in the way we do. This perspective encompasses the co-existence between all peoples in a way that reaches the roots. Thank you for this interview.
And yet she excludes any mention of what Hamas did. What Islamists do repeatedly. She blames Israel, she blames the West, but she's utterly blind to all the violence from Islamists that initiate these conflicts.
When she talks about liberation being incomplete if it doesn't include all living beings she's talking about animals too - not just humans. I think that's not only accurate and ethically consistent but also shows what a beautiful spirit she has.
The allusion to Amalek includes not only humans but also non-humans who coexist with them...The overwhelming contrast of seeing Palestinians sharing the little food they have with stray cats and dogs, compared to the abuse of attack dogs by the IOF, makes me sick
Thank you Bassam for an important discussion. I appreciate Susan's incisive analysis and insights. Free Palestine. End the occupation. Stop the genocide. Support the Resistance. Justice will prevail! 💕 🇵🇸 ✊🏽 🇵🇸
I love this perspective and as an American it breaks my heart seeing what we have done. If it weren't for people like you people like me would never grasp the depth and breadth of this.
Hamas did this. Don't be brainwashed. You're being lectured about colonialism by people form an ideology that has over a billion people literally worshipping in the direction of the Arabs.
Its great to listen to Susan Abulhawa as she speaks of the work ahead of us to bring truth and justice to Palestine. My hope is that the interviewer takes the opportunity to reflect on susans comment on coexistence with other sentients. an absolute ethical and also material realization to our survival as a species, the dissolution of colonialism and its inherent violence
i hadn't made the connection with the struggle for liberation for all peoples with the liberation and *much* better care for animals. thank you for that alone. It was an absolute delight to hear Susan articulate her opinion
With Soul and with Love, only is Freedom achieved. I am not a Palestinian, but have seen a father hold the remains of his child in a plastic bag, asking doctors to put his child back together. I have seen 2 Palestinian boys search for wheat in the sand, saying “Only Allah is sufficient”. I have seen a doctor look for his daughter in his hospital, and when he finds her lifeless body, say, “Alhamdulillah”. What gives these people such strength? What gives them such courage? They are already free. They already have soul. They already have love. FREE PALESTINE.
Brilliant interview. Susan Alulhaea is a great human being together with Francesca Albanese, Gideon Levi and Norman Finkelstein! Solidarity with all oppressed people! 🙏
Great host and guest. Don't miss Susan's address to the Oxford Union and never miss Bassam's Teach-ins! Will look for her books. Thank you, both. Salam!
“But there are none so frightened, or so strange in their fear, as conquerors. They conjure phantoms endlessly, terrified that their victims will someday do back what was done to them-even if, in truth, their victims couldn’t care less about such pettiness and have moved on. Conquerors live in dread of the day when they are shown to be, not superior, but simply lucky.” ― N.K. Jemisin, The Stone Sky
& the world goes about it's Christmas festivities unphased & another opportunity for Americans to boycott this holiday of hypocrisy missed as the slaughter continues & Jesus' message is drowned in a sea of depravity & greed as my faith in humanity is shattered once again! Thank-you Susan.
YES ! I just wonder what the hell humans have to celebrate, exactly ? How can we shut our minds to all this torture - while we (well, not me ) feast on the body-parts of other sentient beings ? Beings who have also suffered horribly in THEIR concentration camps, before having their throats cut.
"The yearning for liberation and to live dignified lives eclipses the sense of revenge or the need for it. That has been historically the reality of colonised and oppressed people."
Iranian Jews , live in Iran and have done for thousands of years. They know themselves as Iranian. There are and never been gated communities for our Jewish families in Iran . They are our friends and neighbors. And respected .
Susan, you are absolutely right. The gruesome idea that only one species - human - has the right to freedom , is ridiculous, and inherently blind and cruel. Just because we humans CAN dominate, imprison, and murder other beings, does NOT mean that we should. There are, though, some - usually small - animal rights groups who see the connections between our treatment of our fellow non-humans, and of our fellow humans ; this realisation : that sentience is all, is definitely growing - along with increasing respect for all the 'natural' world, and the understanding that our human place in it must not be one of dominance, but of sharing , respect, and care. Thank you both for an excellent discussion.
I did hear worse. You can even watch videos today. Not toning down the current situation down but 1994 Rwanda was literally HELL. I think cruelty is structural to genocides.
I also completely agree that there has to be accountability for the genociders and the media obscuring it and people that invest in war and blood, BUT imo we should also think about what form that accountability should take form. I mean: what good will it do, for the victims, for the world, for the perpatrators to be in jail for X amount of time? How will that help healing and improving our ways?
Thanks for this very important discussion. With regards to moral equivalency, Hamas never fires on wounded IGF soldiers being evacuated on foot or even the medivac helicopters which they could easily target. What few Americans know is there is a Russian memorial to the victims of 911 across the river in the shape of a tear. When has America done the same for terrorist attacks that Russia has indured?
"What they think is of no concern to me." Right on, Susan! The same ones who cheer on genocide are the ones crying crocodile tears after the CEO mofo got plugged.
With regards to Resistance, in a recent interview with Naladi Pandor, she discribed the incredible organisation that the ANC had in place to facilitate their resistance efforts. Studying the ANC methodology would help the Palestinians in this regard. The forerunner of the South African Resistance movement formed in 1910.
Liberation of nature and liberation of humanity are links in the chain of life, and our imagination to want a different world, free of militarised elite power and bullying politics is all we have😊
"No uprising fails. Each is a path towards the right direction." - Salud Algabre, woman leader of the 1935 Sakdal peasant revolt in the Philippines. SOLIDARITY with PALESTINE from the PHILIPPINES !🇵🇭
Susan is a gem ✨ I totally agree with you on the approach you give to coexistence... The respect of the natives to their environment, from the thousand-year-old olive tree 🌳 to the buffalo of the great prairies 🦬 is a lesson that we must relearn... directly from them. Capitalism and its demons 👹 will lead us to self-liquidation if we do not change course 🧭
Hi Susan, I saw your pets. The dog is at peace with the cat, living in perfect harmony. They should teach co-existence to "B" as in Biden, Blinken, Bibi and Balfour. MAGANDANG UMAGA from the PHILIPPINES ! 🇵🇭
Mind Begs the Question: ▪︎If Israelis on Netherlands streets ▪︎Chant D3ath to Arabs/Jews ▪︎Netherlands don't Jail them ▪︎Netherlands/West - Democratic or Nazi?
Abulhawa's closing views on going forward and what has to be done against the sadistic barbarism of the enemy - which he has demonstrated time and again - is the first time eye have heard or encountered a solution which drawfs and goes beyond the reach or bounds of simply protesting, civil disobedience and any other strategies that have been usually offered as remedies by pro-palestinian advocates or taking head pundits. She clearly notes and quite correctly that technology has to be explored or exploited and utilized to give an edge to the oppressed who in the process must form an international people's army to eradicate the wanton savagery of what in essence is white world supremacy or all else is lost or will continue to be in the face of an enemy whose pyscho-pathology is immune to any modicum of moral proclivity.
The early Zionists barely recognized Jews from eastern countries as Jews; more salient for them was the major distinction several centuries in fact- between Western European Jews and Ashkenazis- at the time Eastern European- Jews- the great mass of the mainly poor laboring masses from Poland and the Tzarist Russian Empire. As Ilan Pappe emphasizes in his book Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic, the founding of the Zionist state would not have been possible without Herzl and and his fellow Zionists stressing repeatedly that founding the Zionist state would not involve the emigration of their more prosperous Jewish citizens from the UK, France and Germany, but rather would prevent those Eastern European masses from flooding into these western countries in the wake of surging of pogroms in those eastern countries, and would rather divert these masses to the Zionist entity; this helped sell Balfour and the other western leaders in supporting the proposed Zionist entity. As it turned out, these Eastern Jewish masses preferred emigrating to the US, Canada, and Latin America, forcing the Zionists to grudgingly accept these "Jewish Arabs" to provide the numbers needed for their settler enterprise.
And just because they were 50-100 or even 500 hundred people that means the 7 million Palestinians cheering? You find people like that in any country. You are trying to show that Israelis or Americans are more humanized and Palestinians are not? Generalizations are the beginning of fascism. And I’m not Arab or Muslim. Merry Christmas. Pfff
I have never seen an entire society like that. And they talk about Hamas teaching their children to hate in school. Israeli children sing songs about the suffering children in Gaza
Besides seeing large apartment buildings being blown down on Oct. 8th, what really awoke my heart fully the first week was seeing a small, seemed about 6 year old girl, walking alone through rubble, carefully cradling her fluffy cat in her arms, balancing as he walked. That image has been seared in my heart the past14 months. I doubt she or cat is alive, but that focus on caring, as if it was all she had left, and the cats complete trust in her arms.... amid the horror.... deep love, deep humanity. thank you Susan, and jadalliyya.
Susan I have been following you for years. Everything you observe is so insightful, and honest. I read & have a copy of "Mornings in Jenin" which I may have read in 2014. It gave me a glimpse into the Palestinian heart & soul. However now I must say seeing your dog jump up for affection, and your black cat sleeping in his or her bed next to you makes me love you all the more. Thank you for continuing to fight, and bring awareness into the world.
The whole conversation was powerful and gut-wrenching, as they all have been. But that last point on coexistence with our more-than-human relatives was unexpected and so very welcome. As a student of Indigenous Knowledges and advocate for Indigenous Peoples, and as an ecologist specializing in climate impacts on "nature" and non-humans, this was the first conversation on Jadaliyya that I can remember that explicitly tied the insanity of the atrocities in the Middle East (and elsewhere) to the destruction of our planet, at least that brings it into focus in a comprehensive way. Thank you and I hope we will see more of this.
What an amazing woman! I am so glad to have found this site and to learn so much more from her and from several more like here who stand firmly against the vile and evil events all across Palestine at this hour and for so long.
Susan you are spot on regarding the interconnection between genocide, ecocide and neo colonialism/capitalism.
I want to just say that I absolutely resonate with Susan’s perspective on co-existence with all living beings. Our felt-disconnection is the root of how we’re able to treat “others” in the way we do. This perspective encompasses the co-existence between all peoples in a way that reaches the roots. Thank you for this interview.
And yet she excludes any mention of what Hamas did. What Islamists do repeatedly. She blames Israel, she blames the West, but she's utterly blind to all the violence from Islamists that initiate these conflicts.
When she talks about liberation being incomplete if it doesn't include all living beings she's talking about animals too - not just humans. I think that's not only accurate and ethically consistent but also shows what a beautiful spirit she has.
@ Yes, indeed, all beings. My use of “peoples” is inclusive of non-human animals.
The allusion to Amalek includes not only humans but also non-humans who coexist with them...The overwhelming contrast of seeing Palestinians sharing the little food they have with stray cats and dogs, compared to the abuse of attack dogs by the IOF, makes me sick
The most brilliant Palestinian thinker alive today, bar none. The humanity shines through and through.
First heard about Susan when i watched her great Oxford Union speech. A must see.
Thank you Bassam for an important discussion. I appreciate Susan's incisive analysis and insights. Free Palestine. End the occupation. Stop the genocide. Support the Resistance. Justice will prevail! 💕 🇵🇸 ✊🏽 🇵🇸
I love this perspective and as an American it breaks my heart seeing what we have done. If it weren't for people like you people like me would never grasp the depth and breadth of this.
Hamas did this. Don't be brainwashed. You're being lectured about colonialism by people form an ideology that has over a billion people literally worshipping in the direction of the Arabs.
Love you and agree with you Susan! Great show thank you
Its great to listen to Susan Abulhawa as she speaks of the work ahead of us to bring truth and justice to Palestine. My hope is that the interviewer takes the opportunity to reflect on susans comment on coexistence with other sentients. an absolute ethical and also material realization to our survival as a species, the dissolution of colonialism and its inherent violence
Thank you both for the excellent interview. 🍉✌🏼💜
i hadn't made the connection with the struggle for liberation for all peoples with the liberation and *much* better care for animals. thank you for that alone. It was an absolute delight to hear Susan articulate her opinion
Always interesting to hear Susan's perspectives! This easily could've been 2 hours long without getting dull
With Soul and with Love, only is Freedom achieved. I am not a Palestinian, but have seen a father hold the remains of his child in a plastic bag, asking doctors to put his child back together. I have seen 2 Palestinian boys search for wheat in the sand, saying “Only Allah is sufficient”. I have seen a doctor look for his daughter in his hospital, and when he finds her lifeless body, say, “Alhamdulillah”.
What gives these people such strength? What gives them such courage? They are already free. They already have soul. They already have love. FREE PALESTINE.
Such a powerful conversation! Susan has incisive and thought provoking ideas, love her unapologetic authenticity! And her love of dogs ❤
Brilliant interview. Susan Alulhaea is a great human being together with Francesca Albanese, Gideon Levi and Norman Finkelstein! Solidarity with all oppressed people! 🙏
Lol they have solidarity with the murderers of fakenistans: humus, plo and khamenei
Great host and guest. Don't miss Susan's address to the Oxford Union and never miss Bassam's Teach-ins! Will look for her books. Thank you, both. Salam!
From Ireland
Thanks so much. Really brilliant stuff
Brilliant! Peoples struggle is long and hard. Courage and steadfastness for all. Thanks for this interview.
So much truth about the history in this analysis
I completely agree with her , regarding other living beings, animals, plants. trees ....
Thank you both. We will keep resisting Susan ✊️
“But there are none so frightened, or so strange in their fear, as conquerors. They conjure phantoms endlessly, terrified that their victims will someday do back what was done to them-even if, in truth, their victims couldn’t care less about such pettiness and have moved on. Conquerors live in dread of the day when they are shown to be, not superior, but simply lucky.”
― N.K. Jemisin, The Stone Sky
excellent, and i love the connection with animals, it echoes indigenous movements which of course include 🍉
& the world goes about it's Christmas festivities unphased & another opportunity for Americans to boycott this holiday of hypocrisy missed as the slaughter continues & Jesus' message is drowned in a sea of depravity & greed as my faith in humanity is shattered once again! Thank-you Susan.
YES ! I just wonder what the hell humans have to celebrate, exactly ? How can we shut our minds to all this torture - while we (well, not me ) feast on the body-parts of other sentient beings ? Beings who have also suffered horribly in THEIR concentration camps, before having their throats cut.
I’m with you re: coexistence with non-human forms of life. Thank you! 🙏🏻🙏🏻❤❤🇵🇸🇵🇸
Thanks for sharing. 😔
Thank you for this brilliant analysis 🇵🇸👌👌👌👌🍉🍉🍉🕊️🕊️🕊️♥️♥️♥️
"The yearning for liberation and to live dignified lives eclipses the sense of revenge or the need for it. That has been historically the reality of colonised and oppressed people."
I agree about the world movement, I really like that.
As an African-American male I agree with the lynching analogy
" The love for all living creatures is the most attribute of man ." Charles Darwin
Iranian Jews , live in Iran and have done for thousands of years. They know themselves as Iranian. There are and never been gated communities for our Jewish families in Iran . They are our friends and neighbors. And respected .
Susan is great! I follow her , I read all her books. She is a true fighter, with body and soul! Greetings from İstanbul!
Thank you so much for this brilliant interview. You got me in tears when you mentioned the animal care.
Freeeee Freeeee palestina !!!
Susan, you are absolutely right. The gruesome idea that only one species - human - has the right to freedom , is ridiculous, and inherently blind and cruel. Just because we humans CAN dominate, imprison, and murder other beings, does NOT mean that we should. There are, though, some - usually small - animal rights groups who see the connections between our treatment of our fellow non-humans, and of our fellow humans ; this realisation : that sentience is all, is definitely growing - along with increasing respect for all the 'natural' world, and the understanding that our human place in it must not be one of dominance, but of sharing , respect, and care. Thank you both for an excellent discussion.
I did hear worse. You can even watch videos today. Not toning down the current situation down but 1994 Rwanda was literally HELL. I think cruelty is structural to genocides.
I also completely agree that there has to be accountability for the genociders and the media obscuring it and people that invest in war and blood, BUT imo we should also think about what form that accountability should take form. I mean: what good will it do, for the victims, for the world, for the perpatrators to be in jail for X amount of time? How will that help healing and improving our ways?
Thanks for this very important discussion. With regards to moral equivalency, Hamas never fires on wounded IGF soldiers being evacuated on foot or even the medivac helicopters which they could easily target. What few Americans know is there is a Russian memorial to the victims of 911 across the river in the shape of a tear. When has America done the same for terrorist attacks that Russia has indured?
Thank you for the truly radical views expressed in the discussion around co-existence.
It's amazing how every accusation is an admission up the atrocities that they commit
"What they think is of no concern to me." Right on, Susan! The same ones who cheer on genocide are the ones crying crocodile tears after the CEO mofo got plugged.
With regards to Resistance, in a recent interview with Naladi Pandor, she discribed the incredible organisation that the ANC had in place to facilitate their resistance efforts. Studying the ANC methodology would help the Palestinians in this regard. The forerunner of the South African Resistance movement formed in 1910.
Thank you for sharing 🙏
Liberation of nature and liberation of humanity are links in the chain of life, and our imagination to want a different world, free of militarised elite power and bullying politics is all we have😊
"No uprising fails. Each is a path towards the right direction." - Salud Algabre, woman leader of the 1935 Sakdal peasant revolt in the Philippines.
SOLIDARITY with PALESTINE from the PHILIPPINES !🇵🇭
"The depth of depravity." As a society. Very clear. Traceable to many others as well. Damn!!
FREE HUMANITY🕊🌍🇧🇷🇵🇸🕊FREE PALESTINE🕊 FREE EUA 🕊FREE SYRIA 🕊FREE LATIN AMERICA
Very interesting to hear, the lovely animals distract somewhat on occasion 😂
Susan is a gem ✨ I totally agree with you on the approach you give to coexistence... The respect of the natives to their environment, from the thousand-year-old olive tree 🌳 to the buffalo of the great prairies 🦬 is a lesson that we must relearn... directly from them. Capitalism and its demons 👹 will lead us to self-liquidation if we do not change course 🧭
Those that matter don't care. And nobody can stop Israel and the US when they decide to do something.
Just read wikipedia on Susan Abulhawa. Very impressive! And so are her views.
I’m so glad she said to be vegan for our fellow animals. That is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing we need to do right now. STOP CANNIBALIZING FELLOW ANIMALS!
"Pathological societies." Keep' em coming!!
It seems deliberate
Hi Susan, I saw your pets. The dog is at peace with the cat, living in perfect harmony. They should teach co-existence to "B" as in Biden, Blinken, Bibi and Balfour.
MAGANDANG UMAGA from the PHILIPPINES ! 🇵🇭
🇵🇸✌️❤️🇱🇧✌️❤️🇾🇪✌️❤️
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I agree that liberation includes animal (and plant) nations
32:44
❤ kitty & doggy.
Utube please fix the sound
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If Israelis on Netherlands streets
▪︎Chant D3ath to Arabs/Jews
▪︎Netherlands don't Jail them
▪︎Netherlands/West - Democratic or Nazi?
Nazis
Intellectual fruit flies!!! ❤😂
Abulhawa's closing views on going forward and what has to be done against the sadistic barbarism of the enemy - which he has demonstrated time and again - is the first time eye have heard or encountered a solution which drawfs and goes beyond the reach or bounds of simply protesting, civil disobedience and any other strategies that have been usually offered as remedies by pro-palestinian advocates or taking head pundits. She clearly notes and quite correctly that technology has to be explored or exploited and utilized to give an edge to the oppressed who in the process must form an international people's army to eradicate the wanton savagery of what in essence is white world supremacy or all else is lost or will continue to be in the face of an enemy whose pyscho-pathology is immune to any modicum of moral proclivity.
She would never rejoyce. I wonder how she felt on oct 7th?
🤍🤍🤍
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Why not focus on the quiescent Arab populations?
😂😂😂 this woman is full of bs
My Jews will win, because we fear G-d, and G-d loves us. You attempted genocide on us on oct 7 and failed miserably. 😂
The early Zionists barely recognized Jews from eastern countries as Jews; more salient for them was the major distinction several centuries in fact- between Western European Jews and Ashkenazis- at the time Eastern European- Jews- the great mass of the mainly poor laboring masses from Poland and the Tzarist Russian Empire. As Ilan Pappe emphasizes in his book Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic, the founding of the Zionist state would not have been possible without Herzl and and his fellow Zionists stressing repeatedly that founding the Zionist state would not involve the emigration of their more prosperous Jewish citizens from the UK, France and Germany, but rather would prevent those Eastern European masses from flooding into these western countries in the wake of surging of pogroms in those eastern countries, and would rather divert these masses to the Zionist entity; this helped sell Balfour and the other western leaders in supporting the proposed Zionist entity. As it turned out, these Eastern Jewish masses preferred emigrating to the US, Canada, and Latin America, forcing the Zionists to grudgingly accept these "Jewish Arabs" to provide the numbers needed for their settler enterprise.
Bottomless depravity.
There is a report the cheers were from a wedding years ago when you keep repeating false news your whole program is not believing
And just because they were 50-100 or even 500 hundred people that means the 7 million Palestinians cheering? You find people like that in any country. You are trying to show that Israelis or Americans are more humanized and Palestinians are not?
Generalizations are the beginning of fascism. And I’m not Arab or Muslim. Merry Christmas. Pfff
I have never seen an entire society like that. And they talk about Hamas teaching their children to hate in school. Israeli children sing songs about the suffering children in Gaza
It's not hard to figure no other religion considers themselves an ethnic group
And the sheer amount of lies that they tell