Thanks to remote apps like Parsec and Moonlight/Sunshine, I can work using more power with my workstation PC on laptop as long as I have internet connection. Now I no longer have anxiety on laptop specs and can focus more on the works. This is great for my mental health and anxieties, considering that seeing a lot of laptop has soldered parts nowadays and it's becoming a norm.
I can’t wait to have something like xreal glasses to do parsec/moonlight from my small device which is connected to xreal’s virtual 200” monitor 😆 the power of my desktop anywhere and on a huge virtual monitor I can carry around anywhere
Great point about the laptop specs. With this I could truly just take a laptop with great screen and battery life and leave the horsepower for my desktop at home.
one can have a powerful noisy desktop with windows or Hackintosh for example, and a laptop o tablet with great screen and battery life or whatever one needs etc. However for many people who can do with 16gb of ram and 512gb or 1tb, there would be no need of course. It is for gaming and productivity-workstation heavy duties.
This explains why playing a game on my phone on geforce now on a server over 100 miles away had less latency than in the same house on my high end pc on steam link using gigabit ethernet.
You can get around the mouse delay in Moonlight by using the key combo Ctrl + Shift + Alt + M, this changes it to be focused on your local mouse position. This feature is mainly for desktop streaming, I would not recommend using it while gaming as some games will not reocgnize this mouse methodology. I also recommend Parsec as the overarching general RDP, it can handle multi-monitor and streams most games well and swap to Moonlight for the ones that require best possible latency. Would recommend Playnite as well for the aggregate of all your games in a single pane of glass. It removes the need to add and tweak your Sunshine game library as Playnite scans all of the game distribution platforms on launch. You can just add Playnite on Sunshine which can launch in full screen mode (similar to Steam Big Picture) and call it a day.
Yup. Sunshine + Moonlight is worse in my experience for work, but better for gaming. The mouse (with or without the optimize for desktop setting) is just plain worse for desktop use compared to Parsec. For gaming Parsec has a higher stream delay tho.
i'm using an nvidia gpu and gamestream enabled in the experience software, and moonlight on a windows 11 minipc in my living room. the only "game" i have enabled in the experience software is mstsc.exe I fps lock every game I play to 60fps and everything works almost flawlessly. Some games you can tell are maxing out my lans bandwidth but it's very rare.
I still love linux and use it daily but that is it's only short coming. The desktop linux space needs some more love from software devs at major companies. Well I suppose from the business side they don't really care.
The mouse framerate thing might be from a high polling gaming mouse, try dropping down to 125hz or 500hz and see if it fixes it. And parsec does draw the mouse client side which makes it a bit better at interacting with desktop applications/work
@@MichaelNROH client side rendering for game latency is only in VR by now sadly, as async reprojection/time warp/space warp. It works and helps, it was specifically made to combat latency. For 2d games I've only seen the comrade stinger demo that 2kliksphillip and linustechtips made videos on, but it hasn't been developed into a generic thing for all games yet
Yes highly recommend Sunshine / Moonlight combo. I run a home server / nas / pihole / valheim server / nextcloud with Truenas Scale (5950x), on there I also have a gaming windows VM with gpu passthrough (rtx 3090). I use a HDMI dummy plug - to get 4k120hz i needed to get a Display Port to HDMI adapter (as the hdmi dummies are usually older hdmi types). Can stream to my linux desktops / laptops / android - and just the other day i managed to get it working on my LG tv (which also pairs PS5 controller directly). Runs perfect for me. [edit removed reference to steam remote play being capped at 60hz]
@@mahfuzurrahman8255 sure but there is a lot there - start with deciding with what you want the system to do. eg how many VM's do you need? how many cores do you want to allocate to each VM, / how much ram for each of them (helps decide cpu / ram), will you be looking at gpu pass through? you need more than one gpu (one needed for the OS - can be an iGPU) - helps you select CPU or decide on 2 gpus at a minimum). also see above re: dummy plug and the adapter if remote gaming/rendering. how much storage do you want a complex raid setup or just a mirror? Treat each of the VM's / containers like an individual project. how fast is your local network? those sort of things, needs a bit of planning to make sure it will do what you want it to.
@@user-dz3ph7dl4m I know I’m not the OP, but my needs follows the desire for gaming over WiFi-5/6. My use case would be my at home desktop being able to turn on and off over WiFi as I am at college/outside. If mirroring I may only option that would be great but is a raid setup different from that? I’m trying to learn all this and a general direction would be much appreciated!
Regarding headless configs, some compositors such as Sway are able to make displayless outputs. I haven't tried yet but it might be a solution for headless Moonlight streaming without a dummy plug.
Thanks for promoting this solution. Sunshine has worked wonders on my windows & shield pro setup. Really interested in sandboxing an instance to allow the main pc to run applications while someone is gaming on the shield (even if it’s just retros and not AAA titles) Couldn’t wrap my head around getting peripherals to work with a virtual display so might need a more robust VM
This is technically not correct. The reason that remote desktop is not ideal for graphically intensive applications is because it uses no hardware acceleration. Neither VNC or RDP use the graphics output of the host machine. They use a virtual display which is typically software rendered on the CPU (you can configure some of these to render the virtual display on the graphics card but it is very technical and not for the novice user). This is why you can run these machines headless, or if you RDP to a windows box if your logged in locally it will log out of the local session. There is no mirroring going on on the client machine. I personally find parsec to be a much more versatile tool, but moonlight essentially does the same thing. They use your GPU's encoder to encode the rendered output of your graphics card via H.264 or H.265 thus enabling hardware acceleration. The connection over the network is exactly the same so the latency is identical just one is hardware accelerated and one is not. Parsec also has it's own virtual display driver so no need for a dummy output dongle in the GPU's HDMI port. I've tested this on trueNAS running a 4090 and it's been great.
@@imag187 all acceleration is done to finally fill a framebuffer. After the framebuffer is filled out it is then sent via RDP using h264 compression. VNC is slower. You just don't understand how things work. And so many likes - I wondered 😈
When you end every statement in a high-pitched voice you cause yourself to put on the aura of doubt like you don't know what you are talking about because every statement sounds like a question. You will probably get better video impressions if you didn't go high pitched voice at the end of every statement.
Tried a lot, but parsec was the way to go for me. Moonlight was great till the support stoped. Haven't tried sunshine till now. But parsec works so good, that I don't have the urge to change something. Never change a running system 😃
I use sunshine + moonlight for accessing my gaming pc when in the city i commute to for work. Its very solid. And i have a pikvm active just in case my pc locks up or needs a restart. Only issue is my pc there is hooked up via powerline and sometimes the powerline adapter just stops working for no reason and needs a powercycle
Sunshine + moonlight is amazing the fact I can play on my iPhone 1080p 120hz is amazing, and I can play over the internet it was so easy to set up if you have a bit of knowledge now wherever I go I can use Playnite as my launcher and feels like a portable console
@@julesthatruth1993 wait how are you guys getting moonlight to work over the internet I thought that was banned on iOS I’ve been trying for so long to get it to work but can’t figure it out
I think it's funny that I've searched for a way to use my MacBook as a second monitor to my PC for months and only found out about moonlight when I looked up how to stream games to my Mac from my PC. It's funny to think that non of these two fields have overlapped and noone has any tutorials on that online!
so how do i setup sunshine to just share the whole desktop? not any specific game/app. ? i see everyone says you can but no one says how. thx... -EDIT : i found my problem, was just gettings a black screen, had to run SUNSHINE as admin. was strange cuz i used 'their' shortcut to launch it, and they didnt set it to admin start. so that bs , but i after i enabled it, its working now. just trying to tweak things for best performace.
Im trying to test streaming an anticheat game. The host laptop input won’t work but if connected to main one for now its fine. Also need for speed plays without issues. I notice some Spotify audio stutter tho. (Sound moved to host
Just looking to let my wife play Sims on a server host so that she doesn't have to keep moving her saves and mods. I don't think she'll care about a SLIGHT delay in the mouse cursor response.
The bad news is that you need white IP address to use it via Internet, and config your router to passthrough on certain ports. The much better solution is parsec.
Not really. You can use a VPN, the Moonlight Internet Hosting Tool, or connect directly to your router with it's current public IP (this depends if the ISP uses NAT).
I got my steam deck controller to work by going to my gaming pc and on steam settings, enabling xbox controller extended support. Weird but it worked !!! This didn't work in parsec, which is why im sticking with moonlight !!!
If they install Sunshine and you have a personal VPN or their Internet Hosting Tool setup then yes, but for remote assistance is waaay overkill. You might just be better off with a regular Desktop streaming protocol like RDP, VNC, TeamViewer and similar
Great video thanks. I tried Parsec and its seems excellent. Would you consider sunshine/moonlight even better in terms of performance, compared to Parsec?
Moonlight/Sunshine isnt really good, you need secondary monitor/HDMI adapter, or anyone at your computer at home can see what your doing. I bought a HDMI adapter to simulate second screen, but then you run into issues like having to move windows around from screen 1 to 2 and back again ect, just a hassle.. Parsec has privacy mode, but its cost quite alot montly which is total bs, and will never happen for me... Im looking into Thinlinc with virtualGL, though server is just for Linux, they have client for most other operating systems, and quite alot of steam games can now run on Linux, but like 10 people can play on the same shared GPU as example..
Offline work and latency mosly. Gaming over the Internet still feels a lot worse than in native hardware, though to be fair, controller feels way better than a mouse.
@@MichaelNROH Check to see if there are any settings or traffic priority programs in the router or software on the computer. My native program from Asrock 2.5gbit lan increased the delay. Sorry if I’m not writing clearly, this is an automatic translation.
@@MichaelNROH I'll try to explain. if the Internet is slow or bad, there should be a bad picture, but the response should be ideal; if the outcome is different, you need to look for the problem. management is very small data packets.
I'm looking forward to your Sunshine-on-Linux tutorial, particularly if you install it on a machine with an nVidia GPU. My experience with such a setup has been, in a word, crap.
Thanks, tried it out. Works much better for my media PC than VNC. VNC shines for mouse smoothness though, and somehow picture quality (or scaling?) is better using VNC. I wish there was a VNC for media stations other than game streaming. Anybody know any?
There aren't really any since there are only two methods od rendering. Server side and Client side. Client side (RDP, VNC, etc.) are slower by design and there is no real way to optimize that unfortunately
Okay now lemme give you a problem statement . Ever used parsec ? You can install it in your host laptop , and control it from anywhere in the world without even installing its client through the web interface . How do i do the same with sunshine . Control or play games on my PC with just the web browser .
I don't think that's on their radar though the protocol technically could support it. It isn't really the best though, as even Parsec mentions that performance will be sub-par: support.parsec.app/hc/en-us/articles/4422936299917-Use-the-Web-App-browser
Great video, and I have Sunshine and Moonlight working great on my local network using a headless pc. But please explain how you access it remotely from the internet?
i wish i knew the bit about the dummy plug years ago… when the monitor would turn off on the host pc (sometimes i was not near this pc for days) i couldnt even use the damn thing 😂
Great tool have used it alot for windows vms! Tried sunshine on my Linux computer but I couldn't get it to running smooth, and wasn't using it so I gave up 😅
Question if i use Computer A to connect to Computer B which IP address would be relayed to the websites or apps I use. IP address of Computer A or B. Second question i have is would there be a verification process everytime i want to connect or could i change the setting to make the connection automatic. So i can just leave the desktop turned on and travel.
Adress B. The computer that is running the content. The verification process is being done once, however if you want to run it everywhere you either need the Internet Hosting Tool (check Moonlight Website) or set up a personal VPN to connect to your network
I HATE sunshine and it makes me angry every time i attempt to use it. It has never worked for me since the switch over. I've tried absolutely everything and they have a terrible support system. Steam link works completely fine without any headache.
How do i create a virtual workstation to stream off of, I am a video editor and want to use davinci resolve through moonlight as my computer is not fast enough for the work I'm doing.
I had some problems with wayland when I used sunshine and try to play cs on a proxmox linux host... Please, can you do a tutorial of this, which get more in deep of configure a Linux host and play remote on it?
this idea came in my mind but didn’t knew how to do this.thanks to you. But i've a question regarding this. DO we have to keep the host pc turned on all the time??In case i want to access my pc when i'm not home?
In my case it's a bit different since I use a VM that I can start remotely. Generally speaking, yes, you'd have to keep your PC on, unless you have bought some extension that can be controlled remotely
Using a browser interface for something like this is more beneficial since you can easily control it remotely via default web protocols. If you need to do some troubleshooting with a local app, then the connections to that system would be way harder
I could never get sunshine/moonlight working very well, so I switched to Parsec and it works perfect for me although its not open source and the free version has some limitations.
I'm using Moonlight + Sunshine to access a "gaming" Windows VM that has a vGPU passed through. It's... fine... Moonlight + Sunshine work great, but the server that all of this is running on is using Xeon CPUs from 2016 with a boost clock of 2.9GHz. You can imagine the gaming performance 🤣
They have an Internet Hosting tool on their website which allows for this. I personally would recommend a private VPN to your Home network, since you also get regular access with other devices (e.g. filesharing), but that's just me
This is nice. Do you have an idea if I can use this from anywhere on the internet without being connected to the same network? Also, I work with multiple displays. Can this stream multiple displays as well?
They offers something called Internet-Hosting-Tool, though I personally prefer just using a VPN connection instead. Edit: Oh yeah, and as of right now, Moonlight doesn't support Multi-Monitor support sadly. That's where Parsec would be better.
So this is basically using ones own pc as private server? Can it be done on android phones with 5G? And does the windows remote desktop access app work the same way as moonlight
Remote Desktop is not really low latency, since everything is client rendered, so on the PC you connect from. Moonlight/Parsec are "Server" rendered and use its GPU
So, out of curiosity, what does your client machine look like. If I set up my server with a gaming graphics card passed through to the VM, and I use my old PC that caps at 1080p display, even if all the processing is done on the server VM, will I still only get 1080p remotely?
I’ve just try Moonlight with my PC with a Nvidia RTX 3070, so without Sunshine to stream on my MacBook. Everything is plug on Ethernet but the latency is not great at all, maybe 100ms of delay, I’ve try on my iPhone it’s the same. How I can improve the latency?
Did Parsec work better for you, just to compare? Also make sure your PC Streaming Side is running in at least Balanced mode (particularly if you have a 12th, 13th, or 14th gen Intel due to efficiency cores)
dumb question will this work on kali linux and how new does the video card need to be (i just want to use my laptop remote as i dont have a lot of space, this will stay on but shut and just run for when its time for kali my main rig is windows gaming machine i think it has a radeon but i donno what model
Probably. Kali Linux is not really a beginner distro, so I'm not sure if all the dependencies are installed. As for the graphics card, as long as it supports hardware encoding, you should be fine. Otherwise there might be more latency, as CPU encoding taxes on your performance
@@MichaelNROH ty i got most of it working cannot forward the sound so thats a bit annoying outside that love it it actually works rather easy once you know the amd install commands needed
Watching videos like this talking about alternatives for RPD gives the idea that RPD can actually be used as well, however, I have been struggling to get it working, I know I can try Moonlight or Sunshine, still, I would appreciate if someone can guide me to make it work with conventional RPD, the issue I have is that every time I try to run a 3D game from the client machine (laptop) using RPD it says I don't have DirectX installed or configured, both machines are Windows 11, my host machine (desktop) has an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super, the client machine (laptop) has just the Intel Xe Graphics, still, if I install a 3D game in the laptop directly it runs without any issue, of course not with the best performance and quality, but it runs at the end of the day, so I don't get why if the host machine can run the game and the client machine can do it as well, then why RPD is not running the game, not sure if the RPD protocol has anything else blocking the DirectX feature, does anyone have an advice? Edit: it seems that Steam games (AoE, AoM, and a Flight Simulator) and even emulators like Project64 can run, however, the RTS games I installed directly, like Warcraft 3, BFME 1, 2, and 3, among others, are the ones throwing the DirectX error, but it only happens when using RPD.
@@Spoonuk666 But then how we can explain other 3D games rendering without any problem through RPD, are you saying that all GPU processing is done by the client machine and not the host?, you could be right, however, seems strange to me since the client machine it's a super basic laptop with minimal resources (low ram, bad processor) and yet I can run the Steam games mentioned before.
Soon. I got rid of my old hardware and went full headless, which is why I don't have a GPU to spare currently. I will try to get it to run on software encoding and with the now official (I think) flatpak version
When will we really get low latency streaming? It's bad, I have an expensive wifi 6 gaming router a 120hz OLED tablet, a gaming PC and it's some latency!! there is a significant delay when streaming to my tablet. I'm sorry to have high expectations but I can place the tablet in front of my monitor and see it I'm using moonlight and actually slightly better results with parsec but it's still just not great. It's not in Ms it's like a half second delay plenty of compression as well at 180mbs
Wireless technologies are pretty limited when it comes to latency. On a PC, at a latency of 50ms and upwards, you might start to experience input delay. But here's the thing, everything is still hooked up directly to the PC. Adding a whole network on top of, while also encoding, and decoding the video stream (hopefully with hardware acceleration) just adds on top of that. The only way how you can mitigate those issues is, to buy high end business hardware that is more powerful and offers the latest and greatest technologies (Wifi 6/7) from start to finish (Network cards, routers, end devices, etc.). Current technology just can't do more as we are physically limited
@@MichaelNROH it's just strange that with my VR headset there is no latency at all, because there can't be, yet that doesn't have wifi 6 or 6ghz yet streaming to my other devices there is enough latency where I don't want to play certain games, even resident evil 2 or 3 I'm chasing the aim, doesn't matter if I have my gamepad plugged straight in to the pc. I guess it is what it is until the oculus method is copied to other streaming. I'm in the same room by the way not talking about remote streaming
@@kyledupont7711 Yes, but the VR headset connects directly and doesn't render a video in the same way. The difference is, that you only have one connection instead of hopping over your router which also schedules the traffic of your devices. A direct connection will always be faster
@@MichaelNROH The vr headset is wireless using airlink and connects to the same wifi 6 router that I use for my other streaming, which is direct wired to my pc, the conditions should be ideal. I believe what slows down tablet and phone streaming is the decoding time. It's completely playable for many games just not games that require precision aiming. You can see The latency graph in parsec or moonlight it doesn't account for the actual feel of the game being so delayed it has to be 500ms or more at times
With the Moonlight Internet Hosting tool from their website. If you just want to access your files though, you might be better off with setting up a private VPN though
You'll need something like the Internet-Hosting-Tool: github.com/moonlight-stream/Internet-Hosting-Tool/releases Here's a guide: github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-docs/wiki/Setup-Guide#streaming-over-the-internet
Anydesk was hacked not that long ago, so I would still stay off it for a while. The Moonlight protocol itself is encrypted, which is why it needs the pairing process. For Internet streaming you also need to download the internet hosting tool from their website. Generally speaking, everything that speaks to the internet has potential to compromise your network via open ports. That's why companies buy expensive firewalls, that could potentially even analyze the traffic.
@@MichaelNROH windows 11 pro. Does not matter anymore I found way better and easier program called parsec. Works without any complicated sruff like nerd pc skills etc. Just install on both devices, connect to account log in and SMASH
When I use this software to connect to my personal PC on the tablet, I inserted a 2.4g receiver keyboard into the tablet. However, when I use the keyboard, it will prioritize the tablet's shortcut keys over using them on Windows. What should I do?
The protocol itself is the thing that mostly determinea the speed. Sunshine or the Moonlight Client from the develops will have identical speeds between one another
@@gianloseto87 A VPN would only increase the latency since the traffic gets always routed to the provider first. You can only really lower the latency if you use network cables all the way, or make sure that your PS is connected with the 5Ghz WiFi network
@@MichaelNROH yes i am already using a network cable plugging into the ps5. But one time i remember i tryed a VPN of my friend and sometimes we got 15ms latency on ps5.. was that a fake latency?
RDP is a fine option for work, but not for heavy workloads, as many programs, and especially games cannot use the GPU to render the screen. The rendering is being done on the client, rather than the host.
It has probably something to do with the amount of people who would actually need it + the work. I guess most would access their main PC remotely from a Notebook or something that usually only has one screen.
You don't need to be logged in if that's what you are asking, but it needs to be turned on of course unless you have the ability to start it by network or a special device
Yes and no. Technically speaking Moonlight might be able to achieve a lower latency, but you need additional setup to connect via the internet, while on Parsec you need to create an account and trust them with your data. It's a payoff between privacy or convinience
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Thanks to remote apps like Parsec and Moonlight/Sunshine, I can work using more power with my workstation PC on laptop as long as I have internet connection. Now I no longer have anxiety on laptop specs and can focus more on the works. This is great for my mental health and anxieties, considering that seeing a lot of laptop has soldered parts nowadays and it's becoming a norm.
I can’t wait to have something like xreal glasses to do parsec/moonlight from my small device which is connected to xreal’s virtual 200” monitor 😆 the power of my desktop anywhere and on a huge virtual monitor I can carry around anywhere
Great point about the laptop specs. With this I could truly just take a laptop with great screen and battery life and leave the horsepower for my desktop at home.
one can have a powerful noisy desktop with windows or Hackintosh for example, and a laptop o tablet with great screen and battery life or whatever one needs etc. However for many people who can do with 16gb of ram and 512gb or 1tb, there would be no need of course. It is for gaming and productivity-workstation heavy duties.
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This explains why playing a game on my phone on geforce now on a server over 100 miles away had less latency than in the same house on my high end pc on steam link using gigabit ethernet.
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You can get around the mouse delay in Moonlight by using the key combo Ctrl + Shift + Alt + M, this changes it to be focused on your local mouse position. This feature is mainly for desktop streaming, I would not recommend using it while gaming as some games will not reocgnize this mouse methodology.
I also recommend Parsec as the overarching general RDP, it can handle multi-monitor and streams most games well and swap to Moonlight for the ones that require best possible latency.
Would recommend Playnite as well for the aggregate of all your games in a single pane of glass. It removes the need to add and tweak your Sunshine game library as Playnite scans all of the game distribution platforms on launch. You can just add Playnite on Sunshine which can launch in full screen mode (similar to Steam Big Picture) and call it a day.
Yup. Sunshine + Moonlight is worse in my experience for work, but better for gaming. The mouse (with or without the optimize for desktop setting) is just plain worse for desktop use compared to Parsec. For gaming Parsec has a higher stream delay tho.
@@NahrAlma As far as I'm aware though, Parsec still doesn't have support for linux hosts
@@NahrAlmaChrome remote desktop is pretty pretty honestly. Use it on my phone over tailscale often and the inputs are super smooth.
i'm using an nvidia gpu and gamestream enabled in the experience software, and moonlight on a windows 11 minipc in my living room.
the only "game" i have enabled in the experience software is mstsc.exe
I fps lock every game I play to 60fps and everything works almost flawlessly.
Some games you can tell are maxing out my lans bandwidth but it's very rare.
Sunshine/Moonlight is how I have access to my whole Steam library all the time time even on the go without having a Steam Deck.
Moonlight and sunshine managed to get steam running on my basic af anbernic and chrome os flex, I’m so impressed
One of my favorite things about windows is how much other programs are forced to have compatibility because of its popularity. Thanks for the tutorial
I still love linux and use it daily but that is it's only short coming. The desktop linux space needs some more love from software devs at major companies. Well I suppose from the business side they don't really care.
The mouse framerate thing might be from a high polling gaming mouse, try dropping down to 125hz or 500hz and see if it fixes it. And parsec does draw the mouse client side which makes it a bit better at interacting with desktop applications/work
I guess that Parsec differs between launching a game and working remotely. Client side rendering would be horrific for game latency.
@@MichaelNROH client side rendering for game latency is only in VR by now sadly, as async reprojection/time warp/space warp. It works and helps, it was specifically made to combat latency.
For 2d games I've only seen the comrade stinger demo that 2kliksphillip and linustechtips made videos on, but it hasn't been developed into a generic thing for all games yet
Yes highly recommend Sunshine / Moonlight combo. I run a home server / nas / pihole / valheim server / nextcloud with Truenas Scale (5950x), on there I also have a gaming windows VM with gpu passthrough (rtx 3090). I use a HDMI dummy plug - to get 4k120hz i needed to get a Display Port to HDMI adapter (as the hdmi dummies are usually older hdmi types). Can stream to my linux desktops / laptops / android - and just the other day i managed to get it working on my LG tv (which also pairs PS5 controller directly). Runs perfect for me. [edit removed reference to steam remote play being capped at 60hz]
This dude FUCKS. My God man, you are living my gaming/build dream
Could you please give me some tips to set smthn like this up.
@@mahfuzurrahman8255 sure but there is a lot there - start with deciding with what you want the system to do. eg how many VM's do you need? how many cores do you want to allocate to each VM, / how much ram for each of them (helps decide cpu / ram), will you be looking at gpu pass through? you need more than one gpu (one needed for the OS - can be an iGPU) - helps you select CPU or decide on 2 gpus at a minimum). also see above re: dummy plug and the adapter if remote gaming/rendering. how much storage do you want a complex raid setup or just a mirror? Treat each of the VM's / containers like an individual project. how fast is your local network? those sort of things, needs a bit of planning to make sure it will do what you want it to.
@@user-dz3ph7dl4m hi I just want to play PC games on my tv? What should i do to get best experience
@@user-dz3ph7dl4m I know I’m not the OP, but my needs follows the desire for gaming over WiFi-5/6. My use case would be my at home desktop being able to turn on and off over WiFi as I am at college/outside. If mirroring I may only option that would be great but is a raid setup different from that? I’m trying to learn all this and a general direction would be much appreciated!
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Regarding headless configs, some compositors such as Sway are able to make displayless outputs. I haven't tried yet but it might be a solution for headless Moonlight streaming without a dummy plug.
Headless with a dummy plug is a small price to pay so I'm not complaining.
Sadly I tried this with the plasma pipewire secondary display support, and sunshine is unable to attach to the fake monitor.
@@InduRana-z4p I’m having trouble getting the dummy plug into my server, so I’ll complain
Thanks for promoting this solution. Sunshine has worked wonders on my windows & shield pro setup. Really interested in sandboxing an instance to allow the main pc to run applications while someone is gaming on the shield (even if it’s just retros and not AAA titles)
Couldn’t wrap my head around getting peripherals to work with a virtual display so might need a more robust VM
This is technically not correct. The reason that remote desktop is not ideal for graphically intensive applications is because it uses no hardware acceleration. Neither VNC or RDP use the graphics output of the host machine. They use a virtual display which is typically software rendered on the CPU (you can configure some of these to render the virtual display on the graphics card but it is very technical and not for the novice user). This is why you can run these machines headless, or if you RDP to a windows box if your logged in locally it will log out of the local session. There is no mirroring going on on the client machine. I personally find parsec to be a much more versatile tool, but moonlight essentially does the same thing. They use your GPU's encoder to encode the rendered output of your graphics card via H.264 or H.265 thus enabling hardware acceleration. The connection over the network is exactly the same so the latency is identical just one is hardware accelerated and one is not. Parsec also has it's own virtual display driver so no need for a dummy output dongle in the GPU's HDMI port. I've tested this on trueNAS running a 4090 and it's been great.
@@imag187 A dumb question here as a noob, What is the app name if i want to game from far or something?
@@imag187 all acceleration is done to finally fill a framebuffer. After the framebuffer is filled out it is then sent via RDP using h264 compression. VNC is slower. You just don't understand how things work. And so many likes - I wondered 😈
Just Google "does GPU work on RDP" to understand how wrong you are 😊
I stream my pc games to my switch lite with these. It's such a game changer.
When you end every statement in a high-pitched voice you cause yourself to put on the aura of doubt like you don't know what you are talking about because every statement sounds like a question. You will probably get better video impressions if you didn't go high pitched voice at the end of every statement.
thank you, love the truman show ref at the end.
It's actually not a reference but a funny coincidence 😅
Tried a lot, but parsec was the way to go for me. Moonlight was great till the support stoped. Haven't tried sunshine till now. But parsec works so good, that I don't have the urge to change something. Never change a running system 😃
But parsec isn’t supported in ipad… I also had a great experience while playing on my macbook pro
I tried parsec and sunshine + moonlight is eons more superior.
I use sunshine + moonlight for accessing my gaming pc when in the city i commute to for work. Its very solid. And i have a pikvm active just in case my pc locks up or needs a restart. Only issue is my pc there is hooked up via powerline and sometimes the powerline adapter just stops working for no reason and needs a powercycle
Use a one of relay "smart plugs", then you can remotely power cycle the powerline adapter.
Sunshine + moonlight is amazing the fact I can play on my iPhone 1080p 120hz is amazing, and I can play over the internet it was so easy to set up if you have a bit of knowledge now wherever I go I can use Playnite as my launcher and feels like a portable console
Why install sunshine? I’m using the moonlight only and it still works great. Playing at 4k 120 on my iPhone
better than using gamestream@@julesthatruth1993
@@julesthatruth1993 You can only use moonlight standalone if you have a nvidia gpu. If you don’t, you need to use sunshine and moonlight.
@@julesthatruth1993 wait how are you guys getting moonlight to work over the internet I thought that was banned on iOS I’ve been trying for so long to get it to work but can’t figure it out
Great public service announcement, thank you.
Nice video! We have some work to do on Linux, but the good news it has gotten some attention recently.
Hey, thanks
you can always trust a michael, thanks bro
Great video! Super helpful stuff. Thank you
I'm having trouble to wake up my computer from the mobile data network, but if it's awake it works flawlessly.
I don’t think you need a physical dummy plug anymore; you can use a software (virtualized) monitor.
I think it's funny that I've searched for a way to use my MacBook as a second monitor to my PC for months and only found out about moonlight when I looked up how to stream games to my Mac from my PC. It's funny to think that non of these two fields have overlapped and noone has any tutorials on that online!
Thanks , just subscribed for this info.
It works!!! Thanks for sharing!!
This video is SO HELPFUL. You explained everything very well. TYVM. 🙏
so how do i setup sunshine to just share the whole desktop? not any specific game/app. ? i see everyone says you can but no one says how. thx... -EDIT : i found my problem, was just gettings a black screen, had to run SUNSHINE as admin. was strange cuz i used 'their' shortcut to launch it, and they didnt set it to admin start. so that bs , but i after i enabled it, its working now. just trying to tweak things for best performace.
This guy sounds like those Russian diy channel translations xD
Im trying to test streaming an anticheat game. The host laptop input won’t work but if connected to main one for now its fine. Also need for speed plays without issues. I notice some Spotify audio stutter tho. (Sound moved to host
Just looking to let my wife play Sims on a server host so that she doesn't have to keep moving her saves and mods. I don't think she'll care about a SLIGHT delay in the mouse cursor response.
The bad news is that you need white IP address to use it via Internet, and config your router to passthrough on certain ports. The much better solution is parsec.
Not really.
You can use a VPN, the Moonlight Internet Hosting Tool, or connect directly to your router with it's current public IP (this depends if the ISP uses NAT).
Worked pretty easily with zerotierone when i tried it the other day. Anyone else used it?
I got my steam deck controller to work by going to my gaming pc and on steam settings, enabling xbox controller extended support. Weird but it worked !!! This didn't work in parsec, which is why im sticking with moonlight !!!
Great vid, been using sunshine for a while now, I agree getting it working on linix with AMD was a bit of a pain, but works great after its done
Thanks!
Can I remote control a computer for assistance to a relative with this?
I know the video is old but this was the best explanation I've found.
If they install Sunshine and you have a personal VPN or their Internet Hosting Tool setup then yes, but for remote assistance is waaay overkill.
You might just be better off with a regular Desktop streaming protocol like RDP, VNC, TeamViewer and similar
Great video thanks. I tried Parsec and its seems excellent. Would you consider sunshine/moonlight even better in terms of performance, compared to Parsec?
Moonlight/Sunshine isnt really good, you need secondary monitor/HDMI adapter, or anyone at your computer at home can see what your doing.
I bought a HDMI adapter to simulate second screen, but then you run into issues like having to move windows around from screen 1 to 2 and back again ect, just a hassle..
Parsec has privacy mode, but its cost quite alot montly which is total bs, and will never happen for me...
Im looking into Thinlinc with virtualGL, though server is just for Linux, they have client for most other operating systems, and quite alot of steam games can now run on Linux, but like 10 people can play on the same shared GPU as example..
I’ve been playing and working through moonlight for 5 years now and I don’t understand why portable consoles are needed
Offline work and latency mosly. Gaming over the Internet still feels a lot worse than in native hardware, though to be fair, controller feels way better than a mouse.
@@MichaelNROH you have a problem with your settings or hardware. offline 3ms via internet 8-12ms
@@MichaelNROH Check to see if there are any settings or traffic priority programs in the router or software on the computer. My native program from Asrock 2.5gbit lan increased the delay. Sorry if I’m not writing clearly, this is an automatic translation.
@@MichaelNROH I'll try to explain. if the Internet is slow or bad, there should be a bad picture, but the response should be ideal; if the outcome is different, you need to look for the problem. management is very small data packets.
@@MichaelNROHI can give you access to my computer. I'm interested in what the delay will be when playing from another country.
I'm looking forward to your Sunshine-on-Linux tutorial, particularly if you install it on a machine with an nVidia GPU. My experience with such a setup has been, in a word, crap.
Thanks, tried it out. Works much better for my media PC than VNC. VNC shines for mouse smoothness though, and somehow picture quality (or scaling?) is better using VNC. I wish there was a VNC for media stations other than game streaming. Anybody know any?
There aren't really any since there are only two methods od rendering.
Server side and Client side.
Client side (RDP, VNC, etc.) are slower by design and there is no real way to optimize that unfortunately
@@MichaelNROH yeah unfortunately :(
Okay now lemme give you a problem statement . Ever used parsec ? You can install it in your host laptop , and control it from anywhere in the world without even installing its client through the web interface . How do i do the same with sunshine . Control or play games on my PC with just the web browser .
I don't think that's on their radar though the protocol technically could support it.
It isn't really the best though, as even Parsec mentions that performance will be sub-par: support.parsec.app/hc/en-us/articles/4422936299917-Use-the-Web-App-browser
Works perfectly! With a vpn i can access my gaming computer from anywhere now. Amazing
Great video, and I have Sunshine and Moonlight working great on my local network using a headless pc. But please explain how you access it remotely from the internet?
Use parsec. Put it on your computer and then your device you're going to use outside the house.
i wish i knew the bit about the dummy plug years ago… when the monitor would turn off on the host pc (sometimes i was not near this pc for days) i couldnt even use the damn thing 😂
Great tool have used it alot for windows vms! Tried sunshine on my Linux computer but I couldn't get it to running smooth, and wasn't using it so I gave up 😅
Which one is best for Mac/iPad?
thanks for sharing, maybe this can replace parsec so my friends can actually watch me while i play again
Maybe 👀
Question if i use Computer A to connect to Computer B which IP address would be relayed to the websites or apps I use. IP address of Computer A or B. Second question i have is would there be a verification process everytime i want to connect or could i change the setting to make the connection automatic. So i can just leave the desktop turned on and travel.
Adress B. The computer that is running the content.
The verification process is being done once, however if you want to run it everywhere you either need the Internet Hosting Tool (check Moonlight Website) or set up a personal VPN to connect to your network
i cant run this remotely , so i downloaded moonlight internet streaming tester on my host pc and now it ask to enable UPnP and i couldn’t find it
I HATE sunshine and it makes me angry every time i attempt to use it. It has never worked for me since the switch over. I've tried absolutely everything and they have a terrible support system. Steam link works completely fine without any headache.
Sorry, Sunshine is developed by 3 regular volunteers and there's probably around 500,000 users. It's impossible to answer everybody.
How do i create a virtual workstation to stream off of, I am a video editor and want to use davinci resolve through moonlight as my computer is not fast enough for the work I'm doing.
I had some problems with wayland when I used sunshine and try to play cs on a proxmox linux host...
Please, can you do a tutorial of this, which get more in deep of configure a Linux host and play remote on it?
this idea came in my mind but didn’t knew how to do this.thanks to you.
But i've a question regarding this.
DO we have to keep the host pc turned on all the time??In case i want to access my pc when i'm not home?
In my case it's a bit different since I use a VM that I can start remotely. Generally speaking, yes, you'd have to keep your PC on, unless you have bought some extension that can be controlled remotely
IDK why, but the broswer based interface is a gigantic turn off for me. How is there not a native widndows app?
Using a browser interface for something like this is more beneficial since you can easily control it remotely via default web protocols.
If you need to do some troubleshooting with a local app, then the connections to that system would be way harder
It's ok. Trying2 to play pc games on xbox one x with a wired connection, and still get random latency spikes
I could never get sunshine/moonlight working very well, so I switched to Parsec and it works perfect for me although its not open source and the free version has some limitations.
Personaly i also think parsec is good
I'm using Moonlight + Sunshine to access a "gaming" Windows VM that has a vGPU passed through. It's... fine... Moonlight + Sunshine work great, but the server that all of this is running on is using Xeon CPUs from 2016 with a boost clock of 2.9GHz. You can imagine the gaming performance 🤣
Yeah might be a bit dated 😅
but there's one problem , all of this solution only works on local system . I want to control something over the internet , how do i exactly do that?
They have an Internet Hosting tool on their website which allows for this. I personally would recommend a private VPN to your Home network, since you also get regular access with other devices (e.g. filesharing), but that's just me
This is nice. Do you have an idea if I can use this from anywhere on the internet without being connected to the same network? Also, I work with multiple displays. Can this stream multiple displays as well?
They offers something called Internet-Hosting-Tool, though I personally prefer just using a VPN connection instead.
Edit:
Oh yeah, and as of right now, Moonlight doesn't support Multi-Monitor support sadly. That's where Parsec would be better.
If you don’t have a pc can you do this with the steam deck itself
I mean yeah, but why though? The Steam Deck is portable
Good video, any plans to explain how to access from the internet? I've been able to make it work on my local network, but not remotely. Thank you
you need to set port forward on your internet router
great video!
i have my router and connect to my pc with LAN cable, and it didnt work to connect the IP to my phone...
So this is basically using ones own pc as private server? Can it be done on android phones with 5G? And does the windows remote desktop access app work the same way as moonlight
Remote Desktop is not really low latency, since everything is client rendered, so on the PC you connect from.
Moonlight/Parsec are "Server" rendered and use its GPU
That's a cool software, really we need to give it a try, thanks Michael for this wonderful video❤😊
can you achieve a better latency by wiring them up directly?
Depends on your Wifi, but you can always make the connection more stable
Does sunshine allow like streaming split screen games? I want to play with my brother tekken 8 even if we are cities apart
It works like a monitor so everything that would work on a normal one is going to display the same. Latency wise one would have an advantage though
@MichaelNROH thank you so much I'll watch the video again regarding how to set it up
I have problem about capturing something i can open display in moonlight
So, out of curiosity, what does your client machine look like. If I set up my server with a gaming graphics card passed through to the VM, and I use my old PC that caps at 1080p display, even if all the processing is done on the server VM, will I still only get 1080p remotely?
yes
@@2036scott So what's the point of doing this if you also need to have a gaming PC or equivalent level on the client side?
Can i plug in two xbox controllers to play multiplayer games over moonlight?
Dumb question, but for example, I'm not at home and i want to play, how can i turn on my pc?
With an accessory only I'm afraid. Some mainboards also support Wake-On-Lan, but you would need a VPN connection to your home network.
I tried real vnc and no machine, but sunshine+moonlight is best, least amount of performance loss on low end systems.
is there any way to customize the gamepad button?
I’ve just try Moonlight with my PC with a Nvidia RTX 3070, so without Sunshine to stream on my MacBook. Everything is plug on Ethernet but the latency is not great at all, maybe 100ms of delay, I’ve try on my iPhone it’s the same. How I can improve the latency?
Did Parsec work better for you, just to compare? Also make sure your PC Streaming Side is running in at least Balanced mode (particularly if you have a 12th, 13th, or 14th gen Intel due to efficiency cores)
Yes with Parsec it's really good :) @@dazealex
bro can gt73 ddr5 runs parsec?
dumb question will this work on kali linux and how new does the video card need to be (i just want to use my laptop remote as i dont have a lot of space, this will stay on but shut and just run for when its time for kali my main rig is windows gaming machine
i think it has a radeon but i donno what model
Probably. Kali Linux is not really a beginner distro, so I'm not sure if all the dependencies are installed.
As for the graphics card, as long as it supports hardware encoding, you should be fine. Otherwise there might be more latency, as CPU encoding taxes on your performance
@@MichaelNROH ty i got most of it working cannot forward the sound so thats a bit annoying outside that love it it actually works rather easy once you know the amd install commands needed
Good video.
Watching videos like this talking about alternatives for RPD gives the idea that RPD can actually be used as well, however, I have been struggling to get it working, I know I can try Moonlight or Sunshine, still, I would appreciate if someone can guide me to make it work with conventional RPD, the issue I have is that every time I try to run a 3D game from the client machine (laptop) using RPD it says I don't have DirectX installed or configured, both machines are Windows 11, my host machine (desktop) has an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super, the client machine (laptop) has just the Intel Xe Graphics, still, if I install a 3D game in the laptop directly it runs without any issue, of course not with the best performance and quality, but it runs at the end of the day, so I don't get why if the host machine can run the game and the client machine can do it as well, then why RPD is not running the game, not sure if the RPD protocol has anything else blocking the DirectX feature, does anyone have an advice?
Edit: it seems that Steam games (AoE, AoM, and a Flight Simulator) and even emulators like Project64 can run, however, the RTS games I installed directly, like Warcraft 3, BFME 1, 2, and 3, among others, are the ones throwing the DirectX error, but it only happens when using RPD.
@@iektech The game is not rendered on your GPU via RDP hence why you get error messages about DirectX missing.
@@Spoonuk666 But then how we can explain other 3D games rendering without any problem through RPD, are you saying that all GPU processing is done by the client machine and not the host?, you could be right, however, seems strange to me since the client machine it's a super basic laptop with minimal resources (low ram, bad processor) and yet I can run the Steam games mentioned before.
any updates to the linux fixes you where going to give?
Soon. I got rid of my old hardware and went full headless, which is why I don't have a GPU to spare currently.
I will try to get it to run on software encoding and with the now official (I think) flatpak version
When will we really get low latency streaming? It's bad, I have an expensive wifi 6 gaming router a 120hz OLED tablet, a gaming PC and it's some latency!! there is a significant delay when streaming to my tablet. I'm sorry to have high expectations but I can place the tablet in front of my monitor and see it I'm using moonlight and actually slightly better results with parsec but it's still just not great. It's not in Ms it's like a half second delay plenty of compression as well at 180mbs
Wireless technologies are pretty limited when it comes to latency.
On a PC, at a latency of 50ms and upwards, you might start to experience input delay. But here's the thing, everything is still hooked up directly to the PC.
Adding a whole network on top of, while also encoding, and decoding the video stream (hopefully with hardware acceleration) just adds on top of that.
The only way how you can mitigate those issues is, to buy high end business hardware that is more powerful and offers the latest and greatest technologies (Wifi 6/7) from start to finish (Network cards, routers, end devices, etc.).
Current technology just can't do more as we are physically limited
@@MichaelNROH it's just strange that with my VR headset there is no latency at all, because there can't be, yet that doesn't have wifi 6 or 6ghz yet streaming to my other devices there is enough latency where I don't want to play certain games, even resident evil 2 or 3 I'm chasing the aim, doesn't matter if I have my gamepad plugged straight in to the pc. I guess it is what it is until the oculus method is copied to other streaming. I'm in the same room by the way not talking about remote streaming
@@kyledupont7711 Yes, but the VR headset connects directly and doesn't render a video in the same way.
The difference is, that you only have one connection instead of hopping over your router which also schedules the traffic of your devices.
A direct connection will always be faster
@@MichaelNROH The vr headset is wireless using airlink and connects to the same wifi 6 router that I use for my other streaming, which is direct wired to my pc, the conditions should be ideal. I believe what slows down tablet and phone streaming is the decoding time. It's completely playable for many games just not games that require precision aiming. You can see The latency graph in parsec or moonlight it doesn't account for the actual feel of the game being so delayed it has to be 500ms or more at times
Is there a way to use sunshine/moonlight to remotely connect to your host computer to access shared file folders/drives?
With the Moonlight Internet Hosting tool from their website. If you just want to access your files though, you might be better off with setting up a private VPN though
@@MichaelNROH Thanks.
How to use moonlight in other network, to me it seems like only work when i connect in the same wifi
You'll need something like the Internet-Hosting-Tool: github.com/moonlight-stream/Internet-Hosting-Tool/releases
Here's a guide: github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-docs/wiki/Setup-Guide#streaming-over-the-internet
can I stream multiple monitors to use multiple screens on a remote desktop setup with sunshine?
Unfortunately not yet.
That's the one thing that still bothers me about Moonlight in general, but it's on the TODO list so to speak
Thanks for the quick reply @@MichaelNROH !. Guess I'll have to stick with Parsec Warp for now ...
how about the security, do i need extra configuration to make my vonnection secure? so far i use anydesk or parsec
Anydesk was hacked not that long ago, so I would still stay off it for a while.
The Moonlight protocol itself is encrypted, which is why it needs the pairing process. For Internet streaming you also need to download the internet hosting tool from their website.
Generally speaking, everything that speaks to the internet has potential to compromise your network via open ports. That's why companies buy expensive firewalls, that could potentially even analyze the traffic.
cant connect from phone to PC it says check your ports some bullshit. I put this right IP but nothung happens
That could be the case in rare cases. Which operating system did you use on the PC?
@@MichaelNROH windows 11 pro. Does not matter anymore I found way better and easier program called parsec. Works without any complicated sruff like nerd pc skills etc. Just install on both devices, connect to account log in and SMASH
@@Stoynov666 Parsec is easier yes. You need to create an account however which is something not everyone wants to do.
I like it though
@@MichaelNROH im going to try today, will mouse and keyboard blue tooth work on android phone like on PC. Very curious
is there any way to have running locked windows on host and still able to connect and play games on remote?
I can connect to my host when it's locked yes. As long as Sunshine starts with the system, you should be able to connect
Are you able to run games on the client despite locking windows of the profile the game is running and maybe even switch profiles?
How to turnon *VT* on RDP for Ldplayer 9
Please Help Me🙏🙏
When I use this software to connect to my personal PC on the tablet, I inserted a 2.4g receiver keyboard into the tablet. However, when I use the keyboard, it will prioritize the tablet's shortcut keys over using them on Windows. What should I do?
if I have an Nvidia gpu, do I need to use sunshine? is it faster?
The protocol itself is the thing that mostly determinea the speed. Sunshine or the Moonlight Client from the develops will have identical speeds between one another
Does this works on PS5 playing Warzone? i'd like to get a 5ms Latency if is possible. At the moment my Latency is around 30 and 50.
Ähm no.
The PS5 runs Sony's own operating system, so no regular Desktop App would work on it
@@MichaelNROH okay thank you! But how Is possible to get 5 to 15ms on PS5? Just with a VPN? At the moment i can ping 31ms but never lower than that.
@@gianloseto87 A VPN would only increase the latency since the traffic gets always routed to the provider first.
You can only really lower the latency if you use network cables all the way, or make sure that your PS is connected with the 5Ghz WiFi network
@@MichaelNROH yes i am already using a network cable plugging into the ps5. But one time i remember i tryed a VPN of my friend and sometimes we got 15ms latency on ps5.. was that a fake latency?
Does this work for Mac?
@@BaileyMullens yes it does
Can you access a pc from a MacBook using parsec ?
Should work, yes
lol gaming with my ipad in a coffeeshop? connected to my home pc 4090 using sunshine
Survived for 15 years with RDP.
Low enough latency for videos and I refuse to waste that much time as all gamers do.
RDP is a fine option for work, but not for heavy workloads, as many programs, and especially games cannot use the GPU to render the screen. The rendering is being done on the client, rather than the host.
Still only one monitor supported? I don't get what's so hard for them :(
It has probably something to do with the amount of people who would actually need it + the work.
I guess most would access their main PC remotely from a Notebook or something that usually only has one screen.
Do I need to always open my PC?
You don't need to be logged in if that's what you are asking, but it needs to be turned on of course unless you have the ability to start it by network or a special device
Never heard of that, will look into it. But try to speak faster, I had to watch it in 1,5x speed, it was to slow for me
adhd? 😜
@@jouldalk yes, Autism + ADHD
Is it better than Parsec?
Yes and no.
Technically speaking Moonlight might be able to achieve a lower latency, but you need additional setup to connect via the internet, while on Parsec you need to create an account and trust them with your data.
It's a payoff between privacy or convinience