Because everyone thinks it is all about not having sex correctly in the act but really it is about being disobedient and bringing the seed of the serpent into the lineage that leads to Messiah. It the ' seed ' war announced in Genesis 3:15
Tamar knew she had to keep the bloodline pure, Judah having married outwith his tribe, therefore the sons were the problem, hence God killed them. When Judah's wife died and Shelah had come of age, Tamar knew what she had to do. Tamar must have been a pure bloodline. Just like Noah, who was righteous in his generation, Judah actually tells us Tamar was righteous also, more so than himself who had not kept his generation pure.
Tamar was a smart woman. She had to be in control because Judah wasn't trustworthy to be in control. She took his power, authority, prestige and that is why God chose that strong woman to produce the line Jesus would descend from.
Many people say Ta’mar was also a Canaanite, but I don’t see anywhere that it clarifies where she was from. She was apparently of a pure enough lineage to be ancestor to Messiah. Er and Onan and even She’lah were not. Er was wicked because he was a Canaanite attempting to be in the lineage to Messiah. Onan was sinful in that He also was Canaanite putting himself in position to be in lineage to Messiah. Ta’mar knew that the other brother would be eliminated like them so she devised a plan to head it off and be impregnated directly by Judah himself. I’m sure God aided her in the plan. Judah’s wife died at just the right time, as well as Ta’mar being unattached at the same time. The whole scenario came about as a result of Judah taking a Canaanite wife of bad lineage.
@@MichaelWysocki-ks5xtSome believe the twins are the bloodstock of the Celtic Germanic people, who hold the Royal line of David. The sceptre shall not depart from Judah till Shiloh returns. The covenant people, the real chosen not the...... you know whos....
Took time to listen. Enjoyed hearing your take. I believe there is a finish to the story beyond where you stopped. Judah gave Jacob a bloody coat. God gave Judah two bloody coats, and then through his sin two embarrassing sons. Through this Judah was broken and he is the one who pleads for Benjamin, offering himself (Christlike) and love was born again. I have a song based on this called The Bloody Coat posted on Facebook and on youtube (Free) Roger Snow Empire, Al
We dont really know why the Lord killed Onan. He didn't say. But we know the LORD is good, so he must have had a damn good reason, right ? So I guess we'll have to make one up that puts the LORD in a good light. It just requires looking at other passages to get some clues and waffling for ages.
Malachi 2:11 Judah committed an abomination by marrying the daughter of a foreign god. Shua was a Canaanite. So Er, Onan and Shelah are polluted. From Shelah come the Jews which are Canaanites. Tamar was PURE HEBREW. God fixed what Judah screwed up and brought Jesus from the PURE HEBREW line.
Hello. I originally wrote the comment above. Maybe this verse wasn't the right one. I am sorry. Maybe these were the right verses. "5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. 6 And it shall be, that firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel."- Deuteronomy 25:5-6 (KJV)
@@kevinestrada977 okay, it shows that it was practiced in Israel, but how much sooner? According to the story of Judah and Tamar it was practiced much earlier during their time. But was it from Judah's family side or the side of his ' canaanites '. Some people try to put some of the Laws of Moses in practice all the way back to the beginning. Like Adam and Eves children practicing incest in order to populate the earth and get humanity started.
Tamar knew she had to keep the bloodline pure, Judah having married outwith his tribe, therefore the sons were the problem, hence God killed them. When Judah's wife died and Shelah had come of age, Tamar knew what she had to do. Tamar must have been a pure bloodline. Just like Noah, who was righteous in his generation, Judah actually tells us Tamar was righteous also, more so than himself who had not kept his generation pure.
Could've summed the sermon up in 1 minute: contraception and birth control usage is a sin. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION AND INNER PEACE AND WISDOM.
3556 views = star seed passage. I am going to get this next, but it will clearly take input of GOD. Got here because of the #s same as when GOD soke to JoB/me. Frog bird was speaking earlier, I hve best luck early mornings (4something/NOW 5:51am). Still coming at it w/human perspective & lack of basic knowledge of main ppl n story b4 & after this tale. Need a few more(all I can get) videos to grasp the basics, & give GOD time to speak on/about/lead.+I sleep on it.
By the way, this preacher does not want donations because he is like Jesus. He knows that money for preaching is a temptation from the Devil. It can lead to the false motive of preaching in order to make a living. Money is the root of all evil and is the ransom of Satan. Donate to the poor.
Norah Jko the point around birth control that is important here is not the controlling of birth but the method of birth controlling. There are some methods of birth control that prevent the egg and the sperm "fusing" by preventing the egg to descending, or prevent the sperm entering the woman (condom). These do not murder a child as life has not started yet. There is a argument that you are preventing the creative act of life. however there is a window of time when a woman can't conceive at all and having sees at this time is similarly preventative. the Deplorable act in this scripture is disobedience and dishonouring of the woman. completely separate to this scripture is the abortion or termination of a unborn child. things like the morning after pill and other contraceptives that make it impossible for the egg cells to attach to the womb. This is evil and follows in line with the evils of the Canaanites who sacrificed their own children for personal gain, including wealth and pleasure.
Norah Ismail The God of the Bible is fine with aborting a fetus if it doesn't belong to the husband. It's only bad if the man or woman avoids becoming pregnant with a spouse.
The LORD is merciful ! He loves us ! And it's a miracle he doesn't kill us all ! Although in Genesis 6:17 he killed everybody except for one sinful family. Big mistake !
As an ex Muslim who took an OT course and was interested in Christianity I have to say this is the worst part of the Bible, to think Jesus’ great x grandma getting passed around by a family and having sexual transaction with her father in law is very gross and couldn’t be from god.
In Genesis 3:15 God announces a Messiah through the seed of the woman and a SEED of the serpent to bruise His heel. In Genesis 6: 4 the seed of the serpent is introduced into the world and is destroyed in the flood except for that which survives in the genes of the wives of the sons of Noah. Hams wife carries seed of the serpent from before the flood and originates the Canaanites. Shems wife carries small amount that surfaces in one of fraternal twins ,that being Esau, the one that is pure is Jacob the one to carry the seed to the Messiah. Of Jacob sons the one to carry the seed of the Messiah is Judah but Judah marries a Canaanite that is not pure to carry the seed of the Messiah so the sons she bares are all of bad seed and cannot be of the line to the Messiah, they are evil in the sight fthe Lord so He has the first two removed. Tamar the wife chosen by Judah for his sons was obviously of pure enough lineage but it was the sons were not pure due to the lineage of their mother. If Shelah would have had his chance to be married to Tamar he most likely would have been eliminated as well. God arranged it so that Judah and Tamar were to be the ones to carry the seed to the messiah and bypass the bad Canaanite wife and her sons. Esau carried the seed of the serpent and could not be in the line to the Messiah. Although he was born first his birthright got switched . Judah wife was a Canaanite that carried the seed of the serpent and introduced the evil seed into the family so they were eliminated to keep the seed of the serpent from being in the line to Messiah. This whole chapter was mostly about Judah not being obedient and taking a wife from the Canaanites
God's word reflects how everything is according to His will. We can track the bloodline of Yeshua down to Joseph. Yet there is no intimacy with man involved. What an amazing holy God we serve. Yeshua born of a virgin...
Just read the stupid story and don't skip any sections and yammer on and on. The Bible is just B.S. It might be a good idea to explain why your God kills Er so that religious people would learn not how to piss off your Lord. If you can read Genesis and still think the Bible is a good thing you have mental issues. I love how this guy gets makes up side stories.
Are you referring to the sexual content or the patriarchy and their hypocrisy toward women? Clarify or don't troll. Analysis is key to understanding. God of Abraham,Isac and Jacob choose Jesus Christ to come to us through the tribe of Judah.
@@richardleuluai2023 What part of religion is gross needs to be clarified exactly? I mean exactly what I said. All of them. The whole thing. Gross and a waste of time.
@@brazitbarba A life without meaning is gross. Living for self gratification without morals or purpose is gross. Obviously the Christian religion is the most tolerant and least demanding as opposed to the Muslim religion. Don't comment on this site if you have yet to explore the religion and its moral and ethical frameworks and the impact and implications. As before your comment is too generalised.
@@richardleuluai2023 who told you that I have no purpose? My life is full of love for my family and friends. I find immense joy in living this life and I appreciate every moment. I don't need a religion to have morals or a purpose because I was born with one as every one is. And nobody needs one! Religion is the crutch that believes use; believing that an invisible God sacrificed himself so that we could avoid accountability is crazy enough before you spice it up with "immaculate conception". There's no beauty in your life if you live your life in slavery to book that asks you to meet an unreasonably high standard that was created by other men. I feel bad for you though because I wish you knew what it felt like to be free.
@@brazitbarba What assumptions you have made. Firstly I was a very free living atheist for 47 years and lived only for materialism or for self gratification. I have lived an extremely interesting life as I inferred. Freedom included snorting copious amounts of cocaine and so forth for the first part of ten years after leaving home at 17years. . I travelled and worked my way up and down the coast to and from NZ and Australia. I found by my late 20s that I wanted to understand the intellectual life of Western civilization and went on to get an honours degree etc. In my later years have explored history ,society and politics through my work as a social researcher/qualitative and quantitative. Obviously I have had some amazing life altering experiences but had not been prepared for grief and loss of two life partners. GRIEF hit me in a place that could not be argued or written in an essay or journal but was felt on an existentialist level. I had explored politics, philosophy ,history and sociology but had adopted a closed mind with theology. So the point being I really have a much more dynamic experience of this than you are giving me credit for. So far I have shared a lot with you bc I am hoping to open your cosmic mind brother. I am a very progressive individual and this has shown me just how cool Jesus Christ is.He is much more than the dude in the robe in the bible.Its all about the kingdom of freedoms from the evils in this world and is for me the fulfillment of a utopian fantasy filled with creative people who are mindful of how their actions impact on the life of others..et Ps I didn't mean to suggest your life was without joy or freedoms but rather mine was previous to accepting faith based approach.Second I can never live up to the standards imposed my life has been very erratic and self driven without structures. However .I have to go to work..running late.
Amen... Love all details on this sermon...
May God bless you 🙏🙏🙏
Awesome, well explained... Discernment and Wisdom work hand in hand... Wisdom, Knowledge, Discernment and Understanding... The Book of Proverbs
Amen🙏 I love this sermon
This was an excellent break down! Thank you 🙏🏽
This message is on point, what a blessing, I am truly blessed by this
Really enjoyed this sermon!
of course, you did *wink* *wink*
Why is tamar and judah rarely spoken when this lineage LEADS TO JESUS CHRIST
Because the father prepared all things...
Because everyone thinks it is all about not having sex correctly in the act but really it is about being disobedient and bringing the seed of the serpent into the lineage that leads to Messiah.
It the ' seed ' war announced in Genesis 3:15
Tamar knew she had to keep the bloodline pure, Judah having married outwith his tribe, therefore the sons were the problem, hence God killed them.
When Judah's wife died and Shelah had come of age, Tamar knew what she had to do.
Tamar must have been a pure bloodline. Just like Noah, who was righteous in his generation, Judah actually tells us Tamar was righteous also, more so than himself who had not kept his generation pure.
Tamar was a smart woman. She had to be in control because Judah wasn't trustworthy to be in control. She took his power, authority, prestige and that is why God chose that strong woman to produce the line Jesus would descend from.
He also user Ruth in the similar manner. She was a strong woman.
Many people say Ta’mar was also a Canaanite, but I don’t see anywhere that it clarifies where she was from. She was apparently of a pure enough lineage to be ancestor to Messiah. Er and Onan and even She’lah were not. Er was wicked because he was a Canaanite attempting to be in the lineage to Messiah. Onan was sinful in that He also was Canaanite putting himself in position to be in lineage to Messiah.
Ta’mar knew that the other brother would be eliminated like them so she devised a plan to head it off and be impregnated directly by Judah himself. I’m sure God aided her in the plan. Judah’s wife died at just the right time, as well as Ta’mar being unattached at the same time.
The whole scenario came about as a result of Judah taking a Canaanite wife of bad lineage.
@@MichaelWysocki-ks5xtSome believe the twins are the bloodstock of the Celtic Germanic people, who hold the Royal line of David.
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah till Shiloh returns. The covenant people, the real chosen not the...... you know whos....
@@jamesmason8944 I thought the ‘ Celtic - Germanic people were of the lineage of Japheth? How does that work out?
God does not need to rest.
thanks I needed that
Stay on topic..... God is in control!
These stories are so convoluted!! Ever notice that hardly ever are the wives names mentioned....
In the story of Judah and Tamar Judah's original wife is never named. Just about everyone else is named except her.
Took time to listen. Enjoyed hearing your take. I believe there is a finish to the story beyond where you stopped.
Judah gave Jacob a bloody coat.
God gave Judah two bloody coats, and then through his sin two embarrassing sons.
Through this Judah was broken and he is the one who pleads for Benjamin, offering himself (Christlike) and love was born again.
I have a song based on this called
The Bloody Coat posted on Facebook and on youtube
(Free)
Roger Snow
Empire, Al
Yes. Great insite. Also Shelah went on to produce Canaanite offspring which end up being the Fake Jews that crucified Christ.
thanks
just got this(ton more to this)GOD SEES ALL! motives, actions, n actions.
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He sees you peeing.
He knows your naughty thoughts.
He can kill you at any moment if he doesnt like you.
Judah and Tamar liaison is not considered an incestous relationship.
We dont really know why the Lord killed Onan. He didn't say.
But we know the LORD is good, so he must have had a damn good reason, right ?
So I guess we'll have to make one up that puts the LORD in a good light.
It just requires looking at other passages to get some clues and waffling for ages.
Malachi 2:11 Judah committed an abomination by marrying the daughter of a foreign god. Shua was a Canaanite. So Er, Onan and Shelah are polluted. From Shelah come the Jews which are Canaanites. Tamar was PURE HEBREW. God fixed what Judah screwed up and brought Jesus from the PURE HEBREW line.
@@sophiar6493
But Jesus said he existed before Abraham !
(John 8:58)
"Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness."- Leviticus 18:15 (KJV)
2face15 Judah was deceived by tamar. How could he have known? He couldn’t...
At that time commandments were not there
400 years before the Laws of Moses
Hello. I originally wrote the comment above. Maybe this verse wasn't the right one. I am sorry.
Maybe these were the right verses.
"5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6 And it shall be, that firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel."- Deuteronomy 25:5-6 (KJV)
@@kevinestrada977 okay, it shows that it was practiced in Israel, but how much sooner?
According to the story of Judah and Tamar it was practiced much earlier during their time. But was it from Judah's family side or the side of his ' canaanites '.
Some people try to put some of the Laws of Moses in practice all the way back to the beginning.
Like Adam and Eves children practicing incest in order to populate the earth and get humanity started.
Tamar knew she had to keep the bloodline pure, Judah having married outwith his tribe, therefore the sons were the problem, hence God killed them.
When Judah's wife died and Shelah had come of age, Tamar knew what she had to do.
Tamar must have been a pure bloodline. Just like Noah, who was righteous in his generation, Judah actually tells us Tamar was righteous also, more so than himself who had not kept his generation pure.
Well done you ☕️
Could've summed the sermon up in 1 minute: contraception and birth control usage is a sin.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION AND INNER PEACE AND WISDOM.
parnel Harris birth control is NOT a sin and that’s DEFINITELY not what the message was about at all, that was a small side note
wow birth control you say? how about a virgin getting pregnant in absence of its partner? seems familiar
Waaait whaaat..is this really calvary chapel????
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3556 views = star seed passage. I am going to get this next, but it will clearly take input of GOD. Got here because of the #s same as when GOD soke to JoB/me. Frog bird was speaking earlier, I hve best luck early mornings (4something/NOW 5:51am). Still coming at it w/human perspective & lack of basic knowledge of main ppl n story b4 & after this tale. Need a few more(all I can get) videos to grasp the basics, & give GOD time to speak on/about/lead.+I sleep on it.
Wow, 10 minutes to get to the titled chapter.... yawn.
xdassinx wow you have the most patience I’ve ever seen... 🙄
This cant be CCLV. Pastor Derek looks too young, can someone age that much in 7 years!?
By the way, this preacher does not want donations because he is like Jesus.
He knows that money for preaching is a temptation from the Devil.
It can lead to the false motive of preaching in order to make a living.
Money is the root of all evil and is the ransom of Satan. Donate to the poor.
"Birth control in marriage is an ISSUE OF CONSCIOUS but abortion is baddd"?????? How can you even sleep with that logic...... please someone tell me.
Norah Jko the point around birth control that is important here is not the controlling of birth but the method of birth controlling.
There are some methods of birth control that prevent the egg and the sperm "fusing" by preventing the egg to descending, or prevent the sperm entering the woman (condom). These do not murder a child as life has not started yet. There is a argument that you are preventing the creative act of life. however there is a window of time when a woman can't conceive at all and having sees at this time is similarly preventative.
the Deplorable act in this scripture is disobedience and dishonouring of the woman.
completely separate to this scripture is the abortion or termination of a unborn child. things like the morning after pill and other contraceptives that make it impossible for the egg cells to attach to the womb. This is evil and follows in line with the evils of the Canaanites who sacrificed their own children for personal gain, including wealth and pleasure.
Norah Ismail
The God of the Bible is fine with aborting a fetus if it doesn't belong to the husband. It's only bad if the man or woman avoids becoming pregnant with a spouse.
I have an answer. Because abortion kills a baby. Deciding not to make a baby doesn't kill a baby.
The LORD is merciful ! He loves us !
And it's a miracle he doesn't kill us all !
Although in Genesis 6:17 he killed everybody
except for one sinful family. Big mistake !
As an ex Muslim who took an OT course and was interested in Christianity I have to say this is the worst part of the Bible, to think Jesus’ great x grandma getting passed around by a family and having sexual transaction with her father in law is very gross and couldn’t be from god.
This is why Jesus know we are not perfect, His own family tree was Jack up but God
In Genesis 3:15 God announces a Messiah through the seed of the woman and a SEED of the serpent to bruise His heel. In Genesis 6: 4 the seed of the serpent is introduced into the world and is destroyed in the flood except for that which survives in the genes of the wives of the sons of Noah.
Hams wife carries seed of the serpent from before the flood and originates the Canaanites.
Shems wife carries small amount that surfaces in one of fraternal twins ,that being Esau, the one that is pure is Jacob the one to carry the seed to the Messiah.
Of Jacob sons the one to carry the seed of the Messiah is Judah but Judah marries a Canaanite that is not pure to carry the seed of the Messiah so the sons she bares are all of bad seed and cannot be of the line to the Messiah, they are evil in the sight fthe Lord so He has the first two removed.
Tamar the wife chosen by Judah for his sons was obviously of pure enough lineage but it was the sons were not pure due to the lineage of their mother.
If Shelah would have had his chance to be married to Tamar he most likely would have been eliminated as well.
God arranged it so that Judah and Tamar were to be the ones to carry the seed to the messiah and bypass the bad Canaanite wife and her sons.
Esau carried the seed of the serpent and could not be in the line to the Messiah. Although he was born first his birthright got switched . Judah wife was a Canaanite that carried the seed of the serpent and introduced the evil seed into the family so they were eliminated to keep the seed of the serpent from being in the line to Messiah.
This whole chapter was mostly about Judah not being obedient and taking a wife from the Canaanites
Read Malachi 2:11. It was an abomination in God's eyes that Judah married a CANAANITE. God fixed the mess with Tamar who was PURE HEBREW.
God's word reflects how everything is according to His will. We can track the bloodline of Yeshua down to Joseph. Yet there is no intimacy with man involved.
What an amazing holy God we serve.
Yeshua born of a virgin...
This line is from Mary, Joseph is his adopted father.
Just read the stupid story and don't skip any sections and yammer on and on. The Bible is just B.S. It might be a good idea to explain why your God kills Er so that religious people would learn not how to piss off your Lord. If you can read Genesis and still think the Bible is a good thing you have mental issues. I love how this guy gets makes up side stories.
Er, Onan had to go so Judah and Tamar would have PURE offspring. Judah's wife was the ENEMY, a Canaanite.
Booooooo boooooooo!!!! That's not biblical!!!
Valerie Ramirez it is biblical.
Religion is so gross.
Are you referring to the sexual content or the patriarchy and their hypocrisy toward women?
Clarify or don't troll.
Analysis is key to understanding.
God of Abraham,Isac and Jacob choose Jesus Christ to come to us through the tribe of Judah.
@@richardleuluai2023 What part of religion is gross needs to be clarified exactly? I mean exactly what I said. All of them. The whole thing. Gross and a waste of time.
@@brazitbarba
A life without meaning is gross.
Living for self gratification without morals or purpose is gross.
Obviously the Christian religion is the most tolerant and least demanding as opposed to the Muslim religion.
Don't comment on this site if you have yet to explore the religion and its moral and ethical frameworks and the impact and implications.
As before your comment is too generalised.
@@richardleuluai2023 who told you that I have no purpose? My life is full of love for my family and friends. I find immense joy in living this life and I appreciate every moment. I don't need a religion to have morals or a purpose because I was born with one as every one is. And nobody needs one! Religion is the crutch that believes use; believing that an invisible God sacrificed himself so that we could avoid accountability is crazy enough before you spice it up with "immaculate conception". There's no beauty in your life if you live your life in slavery to book that asks you to meet an unreasonably high standard that was created by other men. I feel bad for you though because I wish you knew what it felt like to be free.
@@brazitbarba
What assumptions you have made.
Firstly I was a very free living atheist for 47 years and lived only for materialism or for self gratification.
I have lived an extremely interesting life as I inferred.
Freedom included snorting copious amounts of cocaine and so forth for the first part of ten years after leaving home at 17years. . I travelled and worked my way up and down the coast to and from NZ and Australia.
I found by my late 20s that I wanted to understand the intellectual life of Western civilization and went on to get an honours degree etc.
In my later years have explored history ,society and politics through my work as a social researcher/qualitative and quantitative.
Obviously I have had some amazing life altering experiences but had not been prepared for grief and loss of two life partners.
GRIEF hit me in a place that could not be argued or written in an essay or journal but was felt on an existentialist level.
I had explored politics, philosophy ,history and sociology but had adopted a closed mind with theology.
So the point being I really have a much more dynamic experience of this than you are giving me credit for.
So far I have shared a lot with you bc I am hoping to open your cosmic mind brother.
I am a very progressive individual and this has shown me just how cool Jesus Christ is.He is much more than the dude in the robe in the bible.Its all about the kingdom of freedoms from the evils in this world and is for me the fulfillment of a utopian fantasy filled with creative people who are mindful of how their actions impact on the life of others..et
Ps
I didn't mean to suggest your life was without joy or freedoms but rather mine was previous to accepting faith based approach.Second I can never live up to the standards imposed my life has been very erratic and self driven without structures.
However .I have to go to work..running late.