I think it’s perfectly fine to criticize artists work, especially when they’re massive like he is, but people don’t think about how devastating it can be to half thousands of comments critiquing your art all at once. If thousands of people went up to someone irl to critique their drawings, they would likely cry. Also, fully understand why someone wouldn’t recognize sarcasm (esspecially online), that’s why so many people use tone indicators in tweets, replies, I’ve even seen people use tone indicators in their videos because sometimes it’s just hard to read someone’s intentions. Loved the video by the way, I hadn’t heard about this so I probably would’ve never known about it if it weren’t for you /genuine
Yes yes and yes! That’s the downfall of texts/ writing online. Intonation and intention don’t come across efficiently enough, and for a lot of us it’s hard to decipher. The loads of criticism at once point is also super true. That’s why I truly admire Sam for his response, we weren’t created to deal with an overwhelming influx of information like this. Thanks for watching!!
He definitely handled it really maturely, I’m glad we still have artists who are open to criticism and not being childish and petty! For me I appreciate him a lot more now!
@@cybergalacticnovaher apology was so unserious. Made herself the victim and never brought up any of what people called her out for. Then called those who don’t forgive her irrelevant.
I agree. I honestly think some artists would take a page out of Sam’s book here. I am honestly wishing that he could help his artist friends …😉 😉 learn to be more like him regarding such issues. I’m so confused how it’s not being learned after what happened to Sam
Ngl I think bc he mainly draws women it’s a second thought bc he can just draw it fast, like for me. I can give you a portrait of a girl asap but when it comes to men 😅 ;-; I’m shit so I tend to have to study more and do more on a guy as a drawing rather than a girl yk?
They're literally not stop making shit up. That doesnt even make sense. If you called her ugly you would be happy that he "fixed" it. Not turning coat and then going to the other side????
@@takami_0710 only a very few handful of people have every been truly “cancelled” in the truest sense. Like I said, getting flamed on Twitter for a couple of days isn’t being cancelled. People did this all the on older Twitter and didn’t have people like you complaining about being cancelled. The majority of people probably didn’t gaf about what he did after 3 days.
Also the weirdchamp moment of "FEMALES" needing to cater to his sexual attraction. Bro, Ellie is a little girl, you don't need to be attracted to her 💀Sounds more like someone is trying to justify his Disney princess same face syndrome with even more sus "s3x appeal of a little girl" 👀 reasoning. Because truly great artists are aware of variety and imperfections especially among their focus of attraction, as they spend most time staring at and analyzing it, which would be "females" in Sam's case. I think he either consumes too much virtual fake and yassified images of women and grown out of touch with reality or he really does men lowkey as he seems to study them more meticulously😂
Revisiting this 9 months later, the work he's putting into growing as an artist is quite evident. I just watched one of his videos where he showed his sketchbook, and he's clearly been focusing a lot on varied faces.
Personally I feel his comment regarding being a straight male being the reason why he yassified a minor (even if it is sarcastic) rubbed me the wrong way. It made me uncomfortable, this is not to say that he is a sus guy just that that's personally why i unfollowed him after the controversy. However it seems he's handled it maturely afterwards which is good to see.
The joke comment was supposed to be a jab at art industry making fem ocs the same 😅 he definitely worded it wrong but I 100% saw where the comment was coming from
I love Sam's work too and despite the same face syndrome, I love how he draws women (yeah, he could draw more diverse women but he draws cute women and I like cute). But even putting aside the fact that Joel looks like Pedro Pascal (perhaps younger, but still looks like him) while Ella looks nothing like Bella, the way he drew them both makes it look like two different artists drew them. The art doesn't look harmonious at all. It's like me painting one thing from the reference and other from my brain. I'm glad he took the criticism well though.
I am a fan of SamDoesArts and can’t believe I only just now got to know about this. It’s clearly that Sam has the same face syndrome and i am also aware of the Fakt that he mostly draws woman. He has the skill to draw both but in one of his videos he said that he try’s not to please the community to much to do the things he likes drawing including that he likes to draw woman. Maybe the child looks so “Yasafied” be cause he has the same face syndrome for girls. I think these facts shouldn’t hinder someone to learn from his skills including coloring or construction. I am happy to got to know of this problem. Thanks for making that video❤️
No cuz the art of Joel had such depth and detail and then you look at Ellie and…. Honestly, I can’t even tell who that is. It just looks like random anime girl
I searched up some SamDoesArt controversy because he had turned off his comments on tiktok. I had no idea there was a bunch of drama on Sam. On tiktok there is a lot of hate videos and a lot of phrases and terms about how sam drew his characters. I saw his video about him discussing same face syndrome and its clear he is trying to work on it. He is still learning and so is everybody else. But I see where everyone is coming from.
bonus opinion: it drives me crazy when people say "he's an artist, he can do whatever he wants" first of all: there is responsibility that comes with being a bigger creator and feeding into the patriarchal standards with your depictions of people is a no no, second of all: yes he can do whatever but he exists in the internet space and will be judged accordingly
I do like Sam's art. But I did fall into the Trap of thinking that his original response was not him just taking a piss. so I felt that it was kind of sketch. But now hearing about the second and actual response he made I don't think there's anything wrong. I think it was a bad visual decision but which one of us hasn't made those?
Because whether you like it or not art is the MOST influential medium in the world and can often warp our perceptions on people, situations, society as a whole. Us artists, as under appreciated as we are, are the building blocks of society. And I dont just mean character design I mean ALL art.
Nothing personal to him, I just can’t stand it when people’s arts share the exact same face just different colors it makes me want to puke. That’s why I usually try to avoid this type of artist. Good video btw
that's not someone can just don't do, its really hard to get out of same face syndrome Usually it happens when you like a face you've done and then you do it all of the time because it simply makes you happy
@@chaltrs I mean he literally made a video about wanting to get out of his same face syndrome, so I would say he definitely does want to improve. He seems to be trying to keep his stylisation whilst working on experimenting with different facial features
There is nothing wrong with the way he draws women, they are drawn very beautifully and I like the fact that even if he draws pretty women they aren’t sexualised. But! It’s kinda sad that he drew Pedro Pascal just like how he looks whereas the girl looks nothing like the reference image. That’s what’s off- (also, okay let’s say it’s fine for him to not draw the girl like the reference imagine but atleast make her look like a GIRL, but instead she looks too mature?) And the fact is, he CAN draw them differently, he has made many videos where he has tried to get out of his same face syndrome so it’s not like he CAN’T draw the girl more like the reference imagine, he just CHOSE not to. The final result of the art makes it seem like two different art styles which also seems weird. Also he has a similar art style in the way he draws both men AND women, which shows the way he drew pedro pascal more like the reference image and not like his usual style of men means he CHOSE not to draw it in his style. Which seems unfair to me.
It really doesnt look like a different art style at all to me. All he did was put more detail on the male face to show roughness and age and facial hair that which a 14 year old girl has none of. And maybe he used the reference for the game rather than the show because the game ellie looks wildly different from the show.
@@GodisGood941how can you still defend him? Like 💀 It’s blatantly obvious that both the girl and the man look vastly different in the art Your also telling he might have taken the game Ellie as a reference, but he literally posted what reference image he used, it def wasn’t from the game. Then even if he did, then that would mean pedro was taken from the real one and Ellie was taken from the game one, which would completely mean ‘it is a different art style’ which would debunk your own assumption of the art style looking the same- How can you claim both 😭
@@bakageyama222 it really doesnt to me. All it looks like is he simplifies the female face more than the males. If you look at any of his art you can see that. I dont know why he doesnt detail it but its his choice of style ig
It's not "wrong" in any moral sense, but when a creator keeps drawing the same thing over and over again (especially with how they treat female characters), I unsubscribe
@@dongledeep it’s not just same face syndrome, he going through same skin syndrome and same body syndrome too 😭, I can’t follow artists like that they’re too boring so I understand the original commenter for unfollowing.
@@Fantisma7Why does him drawing his characters the same skin color matter? It’s his art let him do what he wants to do! And not everyone want to draw a bunch of other body types. 😐
Critiques can be too much in Social Media but when it's an Artist who has a patreon, sells his art, give Art classes , criticises others' art for entertainment, and has MILLIONS of followers, I think it's fine to criticize their Art work. They'll never grow out of their comfort zone when the Fans actually like the stuff. And who knows the Artist might be unintentionally fueling some of fans' fatphobia, Asian fetishism or just Insecurities. I wonder how many fans would start bullying him when he'll draw Attractive plus size girls.
this is really off topic, but i love the way you organize your videos 😭 the hook was great and introducing yourself afterwards was also really like… interesting?? i dont know what word to use but it was definitely unique (in a good way) and it honestly made me more invested in this vid!! your humor is great and i agree with all your points listed ❤️ will definitely be watching more of your videos in the future
As someone who’s trying to grow a business with my art Yes I agree critique is necessary, however not everyone can handle certain criticism it’s different for everyone Here’s some examples though For me, im very well aware of what I need to work on and improve upon, so I don’t like seeing criticism unless it’s just someone giving me a helpful tip on how to improve in that part of my struggle. I have a learning disability so I have to keep searching on how others do something or breakdown things into shapes until I find one that makes any sense to me. Unfortunately even if it’s titled EASY TIPS ON DRAWING BODY TYPES I still don’t understand what they are teaching. It’s a struggle and I wish things came easier to me. Aside from that the other example is, I have a friend whose VERY new to art. Both adults and she knows she has a long way to go. Currently she’s been taking poses from Pinterest and tracing the pose the everything else on her own. Tracing is a good skill to have so I’m not gonna tell her to stop. I mean, she draws in her phone man. Anyway I get the “being new to sharing art online” and not understanding certain untold rules. Most artists do things like trace poses and use bases without credit cause they don’t understand the need for credit. Poses off the internet is one thing but bases are another, and it can be hard. Find the og creator of the base you found. Anyway, my friend got a comment about how it’s obvious she traced and that she should try drawing something on their own. She’s not confident enough to yet, but shes working on it. Anyway it really hurt her and made her wanna quit drawing. I advised her this stuff happens and you can’t avoid it. But she is struggling with confidence in improving, she really wants to learn how to draw so she can draw her characters, any advice? Granted it’s hard drawing something on your phone, thinking about having her draw on paper till she can get a tablet so she can learn to draw more comfortably
Tbh I have zero problem with this as I'm a woman with same face syndrome in my art. I unapologetically like drawing pages and pages of beautiful men. If I draw fanart of a guy and girl, I tend make the male character more idealized and women/girl hyper realistic (with features that other's might consider flaws), because I personally enjoy looking at aesthetically pleasing male characters, and am just more "meh" whatever about images of women...Artists are always going to draw what they like to look at. There's nothing wrong with that.
I don't like Sam's art personally. While I of course enjoy beautiful and "aesthetic" art from time to time, I'm an artist that focuses quite a lot on the weird, off kilter, or like "unconventional" beauty. So his work just really doesn't scratch my itch, but I can still recognize he's got talent. And obviously a lot of people love his work. He definitely does not seem like a misogynist or woman degrader. He just sticks with that style. A little "same face syndrome" but it's his art. Definitely fair to give critique though. I really liked your take on this! You were very balanced and fair.
It’s because we’ve all received criticism for our work and we learned how to frame a criticism in a way that’s helpful for the artist to grow. It usually involves understanding where the other artist is coming from.
I'm very biased for Sam. I've followed and studied a lot of his work. He also strikes me as a very kind and gentle person at heart (biased feelings). But I've also seen a lot of other artists go with the unspoken rule of "make your character attractive" in order to capture more of your audience's attention. Maybe all the noise/opinions from his fans has something to do with his changed art style, such as all of a sudden putting in more than usual rendering time in the oc's bosom, etc. But when it all boils down to it....Would you draw a completely different character and say they're "Naruto Uzumaki"? I just wish he showed more representation for Bella like he did Pedro ):
Sam does art is no worse than any other artist on Artstation who draws pretty girls. But the last of us picture is pretty representative of this group of artists who always draw women beautiful or sexy but allow men some gruffness.
“LeT pEoPlE dArW wHaT tHeY wAnT” ok, let people talk/make videos on want they want 💀. All of you are hypocrites if you use that phrase but can’t accept the latter.
Such a great video, thank you! It's also great to hear a South African accent on RUclips by surprise! Had no idea when I clicked on this video. Subscribed! 🩷
It’s refreshing to hear your take on comment sections and criticism/hate. I wish more people would understand that everyone will have different opinions on things and have their right to express them. Feel like that’s something a lot of us should have learned growing up
I mean, he does draw men as real fleshed-out people but all the girls and women in his drawings are same-faced perfect dolls, whatever he says, it's still true
That opinion about comment sections was kinda a miss to me. Yeah, rationally you can't really stop people from criticizing online, but unless it's constructive; you _can_ hold them accountable. I don't just want to go "eet eez wat eet eez" and water it down to just "internet being internet smh", because there's still this thing called manners even in a social media setting. It reflects on your character - and yeah, ik some of ya'll be scoffing. How naïve of me to wish us be more polite online "Yea I ain't doing that." Completely disregarding consequences because we've turned pessimistic and lost empathy, and we use that to justify hurting other people. Because "what have they done for us?" and you know the answer to that? Nothing. So how exactly how do they deserve unwarranted hate when they've done nothing to you? Even if this small movement of "non-conformity towards casual rudeness in commenting on the internet" won't change much, I'll still do it. Because believe it or not, that kind of attitude online _can_ cross over offline, sometimes so minuscule you don't even notice the change. But it happens. I've seen it happen to my sibling. The "unironically" turns ironic and real. And in the end they don't even see it a bad thing, they're in one opinion with the masses, after all. And I'm not one of those "Don't follow the sheeples!" people. God they're horrible too. Thank you for listening to my ted talk.
when talking about critique, i believe we have to differentiate: One can criticize the work on a technical level, one can criticize the decisions behind a work, or one can criticize the person creating the work. The first is obviously legitimate, the second one I would say has good arguments for and against, but the third is absolutely off limits, no matter who is behind the work. especially when the words thrown around are pretty serious accusations.
@@namkia205 k then i guess I'll have to specify every thing Let artists draw anything but, child porn, irl ppl porn, porn of your family members, porn of animals, really weird fetish porn, porn of your teachers, classmates, students, friends, friends parents, gore of your teacher, classmates, family
@@kylesprite why draw a character if you wanna change their face to the point they look nothing like the og. Just draw an original character. If I drew a chubby ginger as a skinny blonde girl and responded with "I can draw her however I want" it wouldn't be very tasteful would it.
Sam has shown us countless times that he can draw different faces of both men and women, BUT it's his artistic freedom to draw what he prefers. And whether you think he was wrong for this or not, he handled this situation very well. It is admirable to see responsible person like him nowadays. He doesn't victimise himself and doesn't hide behind his loyal fan base as many do. I think he really proved himself as an artist and as a person
So instead of coming to the table to have a real discussion about why he cartoonified the girl but actually drew the man - he made a sarcastic joke about pretending to be sexiest? Honestly responding to real criticism with sarcasm is in itself rude. Pretending to be sexiest or racists as a form of humor (Kooleen) is not funny and is the oldest trick in the book on “how to say racist things and get away with it: step one say relax I was just joking”. I was feeling very off about following Sam given his relationship and continued support of Kooleen but this just convinced me to leave the fan wagon. You can’t respond respectfully to a genuine critique about turning women into caricatures when you don’t do the same to men; by being a sarcastic douche.
He was accused of being misogynistic for drawing a female in his art style, I’d make a mockery out of the accusation as well. It’s unrealistic to expect people to respond in the way you think they ought to, because people are beautifully different and no one should have to conform to your ideologies. Our differences is our humanity. Some people, like Sam, use humor as a coping mechanism or a deflection. You may think this is ‘immature’ or ‘wrong’ but your standards are not God’s moral law. Accusing someone of misogyny is not critique. Being self-righteous and dehumanizing people for their differences, their flaws, their ignorance, and/or their mistakes is one of the most inhuman and hypocritical things you can do. You expect a man to abandon his friendship with a person because of an ignorant comment she made; people are imperfect, including you, imagine if someone left you every time you made a mistake. We, as imperfect people, will always make mistakes even when we have good intentions. Stop thinking the worse of people, especially when you’ve probably done far worse than he has in his life. Stop turning your nose up at people just because they did something you don’t like, instead… try extending grace and kindness to people.
Ah, you're the type of people who see racism even in a rain drop? Chill out and get some fresh air. First of all, there are many comments that explain the probable explanation for why these faces are different. He mostly draws girls which is as fine as when girls drawing girls only or boys only, and perhaps for him it's hard to adapt his style for male characters, because surprise surprise it's possible even if you've been drawing for many years. Second of all, people can respond as they want. A lot of people use humor especially in tense situations because it's easier for them this way to defuse the situation, to show that they didnt have any ill intentions etc. You can't judge a person based on a single speech without knowing him personally, you definitely can't throw racist accusations or call a person names just because he's not behaving according to your book. And also he made a whole video about the kooleen controversy, he didn't even defend her, he analyzed the problem and gave his own opinion. And as they seem to know each other very well, perhaps she's not a bad person, and he knows real her and you know people make mistakes, and a single mistake doesn't turn a person immediately into an evil being. If you gonna unfriend your friends every time they make a mistake without letting them grow and learn from it, then you're just toxic and will have no friends in the end of the day. And learn the meaning of caricatures because rn you just sound as a chronically offended hater.
People really get worked up over silly things. Like why things like this bother people so much? Did he say smth bad about the actress or smth? No. So what that he drew her differently? As many people pinpointed here he draws same face for all his female character in a style he likes, as if hes the only one who does. And perhaps drawing different faces is hard for him due to the fact that he draws the same face always. People really jump to judging and cancelling instead of trying to think why it is like that. Too much of presure on artists lately, as if they cant have choice to draw what and how they like. So toxic
Tbh i feel like it's more and american thing than anythjng, or very young people in a bubble on tik tok. I'm from italy and i don't think i've ever seen a single internet drama of this specific kind, while i open these things i can't help but notice how usa everything feels, like i just know it by the way the comments are written. Maybe it's a bias of mjne? But anyway it feels really offputting from an outside perspective, like i don't ever evem want to interact with a large chunk of the art community, it judt feels like when you recieve any sort of criticism you either comply or get harassed for weeks in your virtual spaces, i dont even know how to word this comment without people accusing me of being all sorts of diffamatory labels. It's always weird seeing (i think american mostly) people discuss about whether cancel culture exists or not because "oh yeah they got dogpiled sure but they still have their online spaces like no one is actually taking away their freedom of speech here" and like, that's not even the point, not why we criticize it in my country at least (obv lumping opinions for simplicity). I hear people talk about it here, how the young left is getting "way too influenced by the american one" and sort of exporting issues from a different context that just don't belong, leaving empty space for the right to fill easily
You can have an art style and still make your characters look unique. That being said, its not a crime to draw what you find aesthetically pleasing. He may rub me the wrong way, but I don’t think he deserves the hate for drawing only conventionally attractive women
I get the critique, and agree it's a weird creative choice. But he can also do whatever tf he wants in his art, and people online tend to make sht bigger than it needs to be when they have nothing better to do.
new subscriber of sam here! i was really worried when i clicked on the video that i accidentally followed someone who did something wrong, but this video helped me to understand the nuances of the situation, so thank you!!
Honestly, I love your input on this and without this video, I probably wouldn't have even known about this event! Thanks for your amazing video, enjoy this sub!
i’ve been wondering why i feel smt off about his art. I saw a friend have this digital art of a girl as their pfp. i thought it was A.I. art. Then later i realised it was from him
I like Sam but this was kind of an eye opening video. I'm still gonna keep watching him because I think he handled it pretty well but I do really hope he does better in the future
Fine art + digital media applied arts student here, Sam DOES have same face syndrome. Look, at the very beginning of his career he did try to evolve as an artist, but rn he found a following that keeps seeing his content for exactly what he offers, so he just does not go further, artistically speaking. Sargent did have a style, Sargent painted thousands of portraits, each one different, still kept the essence of the individual. Sam DID have a style, but he has repeated the same exact methodology on each 'artwork' to an extent that it won't even serve his creativity no more. If you differenciate a character of his, especially girls, it's for their clothing or hair, certainly not his facial features. And hey, there's hundreds of artists who use a 'same face figure' in their arts out there, even gallery artists, but THEY DO HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PURPOSE. Even the most famous mangakas and japanese animation studios use apparently 'same faced templates' and STILL we are PERFECTLY able to clearly distinguish characters even if just shown the face. See what I mean? I wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't painted digitally myself, but I've been doing it for YEARS, learning and working hand by hand with the most important digital artists of today's art industry, and I KNOW how easy it is to fall in the trap of always following the same 'routines': you render skin in these four steps with a non variant colour palette, you paint hair with this other specific brush, then you apply a textured pattern brush in this other parts of the portrait. It's a trap. And Sam fell as soon as he got fame. A shame, honestly, because that's what clearly states if he's an artist or just a creative dude who found a formula for gaining money through digital art and won't really try to have artistic growth... That said, there's hundreds of other RUclips artists who are more centered in the learning/teaching community and not in the spectacle/content/'lets be trendy' side of YT. Sam could have been of of the first, sadly he chose the latter...
Yeah, this is a problem with the art community in general. Everyone likes to draw pretty people, but in plenty of feature films or art that the general public is exposed to, generally male characters are allowed to be more physically “unattractive” than women. Almost every woman or girl is designed as pretty, because consciously or not, society values people, ESPECIALLY women, by their looks. This isn’t a Sam unique problem, it’s a problematic aspect of animation and art in general to only want to depict pretty people, and to only depict “flawed” and “real” people as men. It’s why pissy gamers get upset when female characters who are still attractive have SLIGHTLY LESS conventional appeal.
Like I love making art and I fall into this trap too. I like drawing pretty things and pretty people! I just wish there was a more diverse pretty-to-ugly-ratio between men and women in popular media
I feel like it's one thing to have "same face syndrome" as an artist and another thing for that same face to be women with vacant eyes and half open mouths. And it's really another thing to apply that design to a drawing of a child. I mean, it's creepy. There's really no nice way to say it. It's a creepy way to draw a child.
Well, I get the impression that he gives the audience what they want. How often do you see other artists with the same technical level, but drawing something other than "pretty girls" and being unpopular because of it? I suspect he does this strategically, and hey, everyone needs to pay the bills with ads and followers. Even publishers and studios seem to be prioritizing artists with huge followings and ignoring their portfolio/skills (seeing this myself at the agency, yup, I'm an artist). They're changing their hiring practices. Now, it's about finding someone somewhat compatible with the product who also has a massive follower base. The portfolio seems to be dropping to third priority. We, the "unpopular artists", are getting screwed. (Tried the "pretty girl" route myself - fake Instagram account, exploded in a week. More followers in that week than all my original account's years combined. So disillusioned, I shut them both down. I'm so fed up with social media that I'm just dealing with publishers directly. I'll try the social thing later again...) Briefing: Kep it up, Sam. He's not only a good artist, but he knows how to sell is skills. Respect for that.
Although I might have side-eyed the last of us art because of how "lazy" ellie's face was rendered while Joel's was a decent study, I wouldn't mind much.... BUT THEN... Sam decides to comment that he purposefully yassified her because "he's straight and that he finds it appealling"... Ma dude. Thats a 14 yo character.. Your sexuality has no business here. Absolutelly nothing indicates that it was a joke. And even if it was, is that the kind of thing you joke about?? Looks like backpedalling
7 months late and it doesn't matter now I guess, but my 2 cents is that I don't think he was necessarily trying to change Bella Ramsey's face, so much as he just reverted to a process that he was familiar with, which produced a result that he's accustomed to. And he didn't do it with Pedro Pascal's face because the process doesn't work nearly as well on men's faces. As Sam has admitted before, he's not good at drawing men's faces. And if I remember the video where he did this pic, he relied more heavily on the reference for Pedro's face because he was deliberately getting outside of his same face syndrome comfort zone. I think criticisms are fine, and his art style is not without limitations, but I don't think the accusation that he doesn't like Bella Ramsey's face was necessarily a fair one.
This drama was annoying when it got out especially because of how people tried to make it seem like Sam was some sort of woman hater for drawing Bella Ramsey in a stylized manner, and my interpretation of this was that he stylized her because he is better at stylizing women. He usually has to study men when drawing them so it makes sense that Pedro looks more photo accurate… because he was probably looking at photos, and not looking at many photos of Bella because he was confident in his ability to draw women. Just a little arrogance, but a healthy amount because his art is amazing and if I drew like him I’d probably be up on my skills too 😅
Nah, he just didn’t try to draw her accurately because the drawing after the one that got everyone talking, he was able to draw Bella Ramsey’s likeness as Ellie.
I hate this argument soooo muchhh He can draw bella in his style while still making it look like her, an easy example is Sam giving her a V-shaped jawline when he could've easily had drawn a rounder one cos that's Bella's features!! It's weird it feels like him forcing his own beauty standards on a real person!
You're kinda insinuating that attractiveness means sexually explicated. When attractive can literally just mean beautiful/handsome without having the implications that you want to bang them.
@@abandonrzAttractive does have a different connotation than beautiful, for example I don't think it would be normal to call a kid attractive instead of pretty or beautiful. It has the implication that you or someone else would be attracted to that person, which definitely sounds sexual or romantic.
Did you watch the entire video? Because that gets cleared up. Sam isn’t a weirdo he just didn’t go out of his comfort zone that time, which he has now changed with his recent art. 😊
Tbh, I hate the direction his personality went after he started publicly associating with Kooleen. It's like he's trying to do her "Being mean is so funny and real!" shtick, and both feel like rehashed Ethan Becker without any of the charm.
I don't understand why people believe they have a right to change a person's art or decide it's problematic. Sure, people can not like it and talk about that, but why escalate it to a witch hunt every time? even to the point where others "fix" the original artist's art. Art is a form of expression, of having fun and yeah, it can have a discourse, but trying to get a discourse of misoginy out of a piece that is meant to be done just for fun and in the artist's style because they're more used to drawing women in it is just... why. Why overthink to that level. Not mention, saying he drew Ellie in a "Yassified style" (I have no idea what that means to be honest, english is not my first language) when she's a child... bro she looks cute. His style is more disney like. Her childish features have actually been enhaced, why do you think it's weird?
and more artists draw it worse or in a very exaggerated style which looks nothing at all like the characters or completely sexualize the characters, yet here we are finding something to complain about a popular artist simply because we don’t like their art style.
@@flowerbabykitty there are some pretty wild art styles out there. If I replace a full nose of a person with a > in my sketch. Is that erasing someone's features?
Alright but like, who cares?? It’s his art and if somebody doesn’t like it they can simply click off and don’t look, it’s that easy. I don’t get the big deal and why people are complaining about these things
I get where everyone is comming from. But calling sam things like sexist or "women hater" is pretty over the top. He just likes to draw women in a certain type of way, which may also has to do with his disney like artstyle. But yes, he does have same face syndrom lol
I have been following sam for years now ut I didn’t know about this situation at all omg… thank you so much for explaining so nicely I 100% agree with you
Why is it so funny. Why did I laugh. This is a drama video. What is going on. Why is it so high quality. Why is it so… GOOD? And why does it have 3.5k views? And… why does Ludwig get 173k views in 7 hours for speaking loudly to a microphone for 57 seconds about nonsense? I don’t know. This is better. This is fine.
I like Sam and his art but even I was like ‘is this video hoping to be about his same face syndrome?’ without even knowing what this controversy was. I agree the piece looks weird with the two characters being drawn/stylised so differently. It’s good to know Sam does recognise and wants to work on the same face syndrome though. I like seeing his art in my feed and his videos, and I love his use of colour and lighting. I don’t think he needed hash criticism for this, but people pointing out that its a bit jarring to look at and bringing up the hate that Bella got and how him putting in the effort would matter for this because of that as well, is fair. Unfortunately reposting that comment was maybe a bad idea because it was not obvious that it was sarcastic to those who aren’t familiar with Sams online presence. Regardless I Cant wait to continue to see him grow.
I’m gonna honest, the art community and art community since ancient times has always sucked. It never gets better and there’s thousands of us now crammed into eachother because the internet. It’s the same for every community, it’s always getting worse everyday.
@@violetclover1224Not really, he mainly draws women so of course you’d see more of him drawing women with SFS. He rarely draws men and when he does he goes by reference not by using past experiences like he does when drawing women.
its giving a bit of mysogyny tbh and im not usually the one to throw words like that around, but if he cant even draw the study (which u do to learn) of a girl when he can with a boy/man because he wants to always keep every girl perfect (perfect in his eyes, which is by making them sexually attractive)... thats very yikes. thats how a girl needs to be to him? this specific way
@@ujlt7198 except u left out the part where he was heavily criticized and ridiculed. Take your own advice, if u don’t like it then just quietly dip out. Instead, people are acting like trash, harassing him and calling him misogynistic. This whole situation is honestly laughable. Like people are actually making yt videos on it lol. I swear, year to year, people get less and less tolerable towards those that are different from themselves, no wonder we’re statistically the most unhappy we’ve ever been lol.
He mostly draws only women, so he probably drew Joel from reference. It happens to artists that only draw humans and suddenly they need to draw an animal, so they use reference and then you have stylized humans next to realistic animals. I think it's odd that he doesn't draw men, but on the other I've seen lots and lots of female artists that only draw women (conventionaly atractive women).... I think that causing controversy for this is a little silly.
I was so ready to defend Sam because I had no idea this controversy even existed but you laid out all the facts and made GREAT points. Also, you're just entertaining to watch! So now you have a new fan lol
So so well said, as a musician and artist myself for about ten years and also an immigrant to the United States, it’s very odd how criticism over here can sometimes be so poorly received by artists. I think art in other countries typically embrace other styles and in more modern parts of the world there seems to be an underlying beauty standard depicted in these drawings. It is refreshing to see an artist want to make better art, and I hope younger audiences will push themselves to also use their art to portray the messages they want, and I would certainly hope that a younger audience genuinely would not want to support toxic standards of women (especially minors)
Watch out everyone, most folks are respectful. (Yeah this vid old but internet is forever) But there's some hardcore Sam fans being hypocrite and jerks in the comments section. (There is alt accounts so that already tell you everything) Please watch the video first. It's very funny. You have the right to like Sam and his art for whatever reason. Other people have the right to dislike him and his art for whatever reasons. The only thing that matter is to not be a jerk to him or the people that disagree with you. I'm saying that because many comments are basically implying or saying that artists can draw whatever they want and that this video is hate and riding the drama. Never it is said that they don't have that right. We just also have the right to make video about it and criticized. There's a way to do it respectfully. And that video do it well. Like I'm serious it's so tame the aggressive response are surprising and I wouldn't be surprised if all of those people just looked at the title, watched 1 min and then complained in the comments. So yeah, saying artists can draw whatever they like and don't need to appeal to anyone but only follow their own subjective taste. Is true and valid. But shutting down people giving their opinion about say art or how they don't like it for whatever reasons that also follow their own subjective taste. Is massively hypocritical. Just because it's not positive doesn't mean you have the right to stop other from saying it. Seriously you are giving a horrible image of Sam fandom by your defensiveness and double standard. I legit didn't think someone like him could have such fans but alas internet proved me wrong.
Yeah, he has that samey Instagram pretty girl art style like every other popular Instagram artist, but that's just a player playing the algorithm game. If it works, it works, but I'm not a fan. So let the man draw what he wants. 😅
of everybody says let Sam draw whatever he wants if you want to draw only girls bottom draw the whole point of being an artist is to show the world. How you see it😊❤
Late to the Party, but I felt basically the same way as you. As artist myself I know how easy it is to fall into pattern when you overly familiar with something. (Women in that case) it was clear to me that the reason pedro looks more realistic because he doesn't have the same muscle memory. And he just defaulted when he drew Bella. Is the art piece kind of bad because of the clashing styles - yes, can you point out that he clearly has same face syndrome - sure. Can you now say, that he must be a misogynist? No???? That's absurd, we don't know that man
Oh now I draw a charekter of my favorite game in my own art style. What a crime. I would have drawn her with cat ears in alternative universe buckling up with spideman fighting zombies and that would be fun and ok as well. Art is to express urself, thats the freedom artists have. The only thing we have to watch out for are banned symbols. Thats it. If I want her to be a SpongBob Charekter, I can do that as well. IDK why Artis just call out other artist for absolutly nothing...
... pretty sure sam is not the user behind the samdoesmen profile. Can't find a link to the samdoesmen profiles on samdoesart's profiles.. and given how different the posts and language is on that one. My guess is it's someone impersonating him as a joke. So I really would not ascribe what that account says to sam unless you can prove it's actually him.
Umm I know it’s kinda weird but does anybody else notice/hear piano or faint calming music in the background after she mentions the no pitchfork zone? It sounds like she’s picking up some curious background music. If not then that’s probably my hearing being superhuman for a second. I swear that my hearing is incredibly selective sometimes. I can sometimes hear the faintest of sounds. It’s funny because a number of times the sounds I heard were important. Like a couple weeks ago when I swore I heard my neighborhood well breaking, and then it actually broke. Or that time an alarm or device was ringing or making quiet noice in the floor below me at the other side of my house. I usually don’t know where the sound is coming from or what it is, but it’s normally about something important.
Yeah I think it's just a limitation. But we tend to idealize when we paint. You can hide what your attracted to until you paint. You only had to look at J.C. leyendecker men to find out what subjects he was more interested in.
I think it’s perfectly fine to criticize artists work, especially when they’re massive like he is, but people don’t think about how devastating it can be to half thousands of comments critiquing your art all at once. If thousands of people went up to someone irl to critique their drawings, they would likely cry. Also, fully understand why someone wouldn’t recognize sarcasm (esspecially online), that’s why so many people use tone indicators in tweets, replies, I’ve even seen people use tone indicators in their videos because sometimes it’s just hard to read someone’s intentions. Loved the video by the way, I hadn’t heard about this so I probably would’ve never known about it if it weren’t for you /genuine
Yes yes and yes! That’s the downfall of texts/ writing online. Intonation and intention don’t come across efficiently enough, and for a lot of us it’s hard to decipher.
The loads of criticism at once point is also super true. That’s why I truly admire Sam for his response, we weren’t created to deal with an overwhelming influx of information like this.
Thanks for watching!!
@@RumboMercy of course!!! This and the Picasso video have been my two favorite of yours 👉👈
Personally, I think you should only critique someone’s art if they ask 😊
@@Sunnyfrenchie789 true! you can always take notes of issues u find with others art tho imo
@@user.withoutaname exactly
He definitely handled it really maturely, I’m glad we still have artists who are open to criticism and not being childish and petty! For me I appreciate him a lot more now!
Same.
Unlike an artist under fire right now for "gorilla looking mf" stuff.
@@cybergalacticnova kooleen is so icky
@@cybergalacticnovaher apology was so unserious. Made herself the victim and never brought up any of what people called her out for. Then called those who don’t forgive her irrelevant.
I agree. I honestly think some artists would take a page out of Sam’s book here. I am honestly wishing that he could help his artist friends …😉 😉 learn to be more like him regarding such issues. I’m so confused how it’s not being learned after what happened to Sam
@@cybergalacticnovaironic since he sided with her
I didn’t even know about this controversy.
Also I agree it was a weird choice to yassify Ella Ramsey but not Pedro Pascal.
It was mainly a Twitter thing, I saw it first in passing!
Pedro is already yassified
@@LuniIsHeredaddy
@@LuniIsHerethats what was 'bout to say
Ngl I think bc he mainly draws women it’s a second thought bc he can just draw it fast, like for me. I can give you a portrait of a girl asap but when it comes to men 😅 ;-; I’m shit so I tend to have to study more and do more on a guy as a drawing rather than a girl yk?
what i don't like is that at lot of the people saying hes problimatic for that original post are the same people that called bella ramsey ugly
I didn’t even know about that :/ people suck
They're literally not stop making shit up. That doesnt even make sense. If you called her ugly you would be happy that he "fixed" it. Not turning coat and then going to the other side????
@LlEUCU. BEAU× Those are clearly two separate groups of people bro lmao
Tbf she is ugly
People have always been like that. You can never please people and I’ve learned that throughout life.
I feel like every artist online encounters these "CANCEL HIM/HER/THEM" phases, some deserve while others don't :]
Getting flamed on Twitter isn’t being “cancelled”
@@newvision4l314 yeah Ik but still anytime that happens people eventually lead to "cancelling" them
@@takami_0710 only a very few handful of people have every been truly “cancelled” in the truest sense. Like I said, getting flamed on Twitter for a couple of days isn’t being cancelled. People did this all the on older Twitter and didn’t have people like you complaining about being cancelled. The majority of people probably didn’t gaf about what he did after 3 days.
this isn’t getting cancelled. he’s not getting cancelled. STOP SAYING THIS EVERYTIME SOMEONE GETS CRITICIZED😭
Cancelled means being criticized apparently.
seeing a post from “samdoesmen” explaining how heterosexual he is is genuinely hilarious
SAME THOUGHT hahahaha I thought I misheard but when I saw the handle I was like “… are you really straight? Hahahaha”
Also the weirdchamp moment of "FEMALES" needing to cater to his sexual attraction. Bro, Ellie is a little girl, you don't need to be attracted to her 💀Sounds more like someone is trying to justify his Disney princess same face syndrome with even more sus "s3x appeal of a little girl" 👀 reasoning. Because truly great artists are aware of variety and imperfections especially among their focus of attraction, as they spend most time staring at and analyzing it, which would be "females" in Sam's case. I think he either consumes too much virtual fake and yassified images of women and grown out of touch with reality or he really does men lowkey as he seems to study them more meticulously😂
Fr I went like "...Is he.. you know.. 👀"
Back then when he was a kids he draw lot of robot, samurai anything like that and most are men but now he draw only women 😂
Revisiting this 9 months later, the work he's putting into growing as an artist is quite evident. I just watched one of his videos where he showed his sketchbook, and he's clearly been focusing a lot on varied faces.
Personally I feel his comment regarding being a straight male being the reason why he yassified a minor (even if it is sarcastic) rubbed me the wrong way. It made me uncomfortable, this is not to say that he is a sus guy just that that's personally why i unfollowed him after the controversy. However it seems he's handled it maturely afterwards which is good to see.
exactly, its really strange how he quickly jumped to that. especially when he was drawing a minor.. 😨
@@cinamomello9662Oh great heavens 😰
It was to be a sarcastic joke
The joke comment was supposed to be a jab at art industry making fem ocs the same 😅 he definitely worded it wrong but I 100% saw where the comment was coming from
@@Your20droid That's fair, but MAN IT WAS WORDED BADLY XD
I love Sam's work too and despite the same face syndrome, I love how he draws women (yeah, he could draw more diverse women but he draws cute women and I like cute). But even putting aside the fact that Joel looks like Pedro Pascal (perhaps younger, but still looks like him) while Ella looks nothing like Bella, the way he drew them both makes it look like two different artists drew them. The art doesn't look harmonious at all. It's like me painting one thing from the reference and other from my brain.
I'm glad he took the criticism well though.
exactly
I am a fan of SamDoesArts and can’t believe I only just now got to know about this.
It’s clearly that Sam has the same face syndrome and i am also aware of the Fakt that he mostly draws woman.
He has the skill to draw both but in one of his videos he said that he try’s not to please the community to much to do the things he likes drawing including that he likes to draw woman. Maybe the child looks so “Yasafied” be cause he has the same face syndrome for girls. I think these facts shouldn’t hinder someone to learn from his skills including coloring or construction. I am happy to got to know of this problem. Thanks for making that video❤️
He has a whole video addressing his same face syndrome and expressing his wishes to improve.
@@Niggcolo i had to double check your username
It sucks cuz I loved the way he drew Joel and wish he put the same energy into drawing Ellie….
No cuz the art of Joel had such depth and detail and then you look at Ellie and…. Honestly, I can’t even tell who that is. It just looks like random anime girl
I know, I love Sam but it rubs me the wrong way
I searched up some SamDoesArt controversy because he had turned off his comments on tiktok. I had no idea there was a bunch of drama on Sam. On tiktok there is a lot of hate videos and a lot of phrases and terms about how sam drew his characters. I saw his video about him discussing same face syndrome and its clear he is trying to work on it. He is still learning and so is everybody else. But I see where everyone is coming from.
bonus opinion: it drives me crazy when people say "he's an artist, he can do whatever he wants" first of all: there is responsibility that comes with being a bigger creator and feeding into the patriarchal standards with your depictions of people is a no no, second of all: yes he can do whatever but he exists in the internet space and will be judged accordingly
> first of all: there is responsibility
There isn't. It's a personal thing you decide for yourself
I do like Sam's art. But I did fall into the Trap of thinking that his original response was not him just taking a piss. so I felt that it was kind of sketch. But now hearing about the second and actual response he made I don't think there's anything wrong. I think it was a bad visual decision but which one of us hasn't made those?
Why is the online art community so dramatic and cringe sometimes 😭(not this creator this was a well put together video!)
Because whether you like it or not art is the MOST influential medium in the world and can often warp our perceptions on people, situations, society as a whole. Us artists, as under appreciated as we are, are the building blocks of society. And I dont just mean character design I mean ALL art.
Why are you so upset about it? go outside
@@tamakibread1411💀💀💀
@@tamakibread1411 They’re upset for your adoption paper
@@tamakibread1411nobody is upset 😂
Nothing personal to him, I just can’t stand it when people’s arts share the exact same face just different colors it makes me want to puke. That’s why I usually try to avoid this type of artist. Good video btw
that's not someone can just don't do, its really hard to get out of same face syndrome
Usually it happens when you like a face you've done and then you do it all of the time because it simply makes you happy
@@LuniIsHere he can do it but he doesn’t want to, which I respect it’s his art but I personally don’t like this type of art
@@chaltrs
I mean he literally made a video about wanting to get out of his same face syndrome, so I would say he definitely does want to improve.
He seems to be trying to keep his stylisation whilst working on experimenting with different facial features
@chaya_li_izumilevi8105 He does draw different faces, it's just that most of his artwork is of his OCs which have the faces he likes to draw.
@@LuniIsHere yeah but i do get why op would want to avoid his art if it all looks the same.
There is nothing wrong with the way he draws women, they are drawn very beautifully and I like the fact that even if he draws pretty women they aren’t sexualised. But! It’s kinda sad that he drew Pedro Pascal just like how he looks whereas the girl looks nothing like the reference image. That’s what’s off- (also, okay let’s say it’s fine for him to not draw the girl like the reference imagine but atleast make her look like a GIRL, but instead she looks too mature?)
And the fact is, he CAN draw them differently, he has made many videos where he has tried to get out of his same face syndrome so it’s not like he CAN’T draw the girl more like the reference imagine, he just CHOSE not to. The final result of the art makes it seem like two different art styles which also seems weird. Also he has a similar art style in the way he draws both men AND women, which shows the way he drew pedro pascal more like the reference image and not like his usual style of men means he CHOSE not to draw it in his style. Which seems unfair to me.
It really doesnt look like a different art style at all to me. All he did was put more detail on the male face to show roughness and age and facial hair that which a 14 year old girl has none of. And maybe he used the reference for the game rather than the show because the game ellie looks wildly different from the show.
@@GodisGood941how can you still defend him? Like 💀
It’s blatantly obvious that both the girl and the man look vastly different in the art
Your also telling he might have taken the game Ellie as a reference, but he literally posted what reference image he used, it def wasn’t from the game. Then even if he did, then that would mean pedro was taken from the real one and Ellie was taken from the game one, which would completely mean ‘it is a different art style’ which would debunk your own assumption of the art style looking the same-
How can you claim both 😭
@@bakageyama222 it really doesnt to me. All it looks like is he simplifies the female face more than the males. If you look at any of his art you can see that. I dont know why he doesnt detail it but its his choice of style ig
@@GodisGood941except her face isn't even the same shape, it's just generic insta girl..
It's not "wrong" in any moral sense, but when a creator keeps drawing the same thing over and over again (especially with how they treat female characters), I unsubscribe
me too
It’s called same face syndrome idiot. A lot of artists go through it.
@@dongledeep it’s not just same face syndrome, he going through same skin syndrome and same body syndrome too 😭, I can’t follow artists like that they’re too boring so I understand the original commenter for unfollowing.
@@Fantisma7Why does him drawing his characters the same skin color matter? It’s his art let him do what he wants to do! And not everyone want to draw a bunch of other body types. 😐
@@Fantisma7then just ignore them!
The quality of these videos🤌🏾So so crispy
I try :’’’’’)
@@RumboMercyAnd you succeed!
Critiques can be too much in Social Media but when it's an Artist who has a patreon, sells his art, give Art classes , criticises others' art for entertainment, and has MILLIONS of followers, I think it's fine to criticize their Art work. They'll never grow out of their comfort zone when the Fans actually like the stuff. And who knows the Artist might be unintentionally fueling some of fans' fatphobia, Asian fetishism or just Insecurities. I wonder how many fans would start bullying him when he'll draw Attractive plus size girls.
this is really off topic, but i love the way you organize your videos 😭 the hook was great and introducing yourself afterwards was also really like… interesting?? i dont know what word to use but it was definitely unique (in a good way) and it honestly made me more invested in this vid!! your humor is great and i agree with all your points listed ❤️ will definitely be watching more of your videos in the future
As someone who’s trying to grow a business with my art
Yes I agree critique is necessary, however not everyone can handle certain criticism it’s different for everyone
Here’s some examples though
For me, im very well aware of what I need to work on and improve upon, so I don’t like seeing criticism unless it’s just someone giving me a helpful tip on how to improve in that part of my struggle.
I have a learning disability so I have to keep searching on how others do something or breakdown things into shapes until I find one that makes any sense to me.
Unfortunately even if it’s titled EASY TIPS ON DRAWING BODY TYPES I still don’t understand what they are teaching. It’s a struggle and I wish things came easier to me.
Aside from that the other example is, I have a friend whose VERY new to art. Both adults and she knows she has a long way to go. Currently she’s been taking poses from Pinterest and tracing the pose the everything else on her own. Tracing is a good skill to have so I’m not gonna tell her to stop. I mean, she draws in her phone man.
Anyway I get the “being new to sharing art online” and not understanding certain untold rules. Most artists do things like trace poses and use bases without credit cause they don’t understand the need for credit.
Poses off the internet is one thing but bases are another, and it can be hard. Find the og creator of the base you found.
Anyway, my friend got a comment about how it’s obvious she traced and that she should try drawing something on their own. She’s not confident enough to yet, but shes working on it.
Anyway it really hurt her and made her wanna quit drawing. I advised her this stuff happens and you can’t avoid it. But she is struggling with confidence in improving, she really wants to learn how to draw so she can draw her characters, any advice?
Granted it’s hard drawing something on your phone, thinking about having her draw on paper till she can get a tablet so she can learn to draw more comfortably
Tbh I have zero problem with this as I'm a woman with same face syndrome in my art. I unapologetically like drawing pages and pages of beautiful men. If I draw fanart of a guy and girl, I tend make the male character more idealized and women/girl hyper realistic (with features that other's might consider flaws), because I personally enjoy looking at aesthetically pleasing male characters, and am just more "meh" whatever about images of women...Artists are always going to draw what they like to look at. There's nothing wrong with that.
I don’t really like his art. It’s just cartoon Instagram girls. It’s fine for others to enjoy it, it’s just not for me…
As a casual fan of Sam I completely agree w everything u said, also ur skin is glowing, I was literally mesmerized the whole video 😭
i really like ellie's unique face and feel disappointed by the yassification but thats just a nitpick
Bro said he yassified a minor because he’s straight 🤔 somethings not adding up
did he say that exactly?
@@thequeertelope7941 yup
oh no T_T
@@thequeertelope7941 If you watched the whole video it was supposed to be a sarcastic joke that flew over people’s heads.
@@thequeertelope7941he was sarcastic
I don't like Sam's art personally. While I of course enjoy beautiful and "aesthetic" art from time to time, I'm an artist that focuses quite a lot on the weird, off kilter, or like "unconventional" beauty. So his work just really doesn't scratch my itch, but I can still recognize he's got talent. And obviously a lot of people love his work. He definitely does not seem like a misogynist or woman degrader. He just sticks with that style. A little "same face syndrome" but it's his art. Definitely fair to give critique though. I really liked your take on this! You were very balanced and fair.
I like weird drawings or random
A lot of artists are so afraid of criticizing others, its weird imo
It’s because we’ve all received criticism for our work and we learned how to frame a criticism in a way that’s helpful for the artist to grow. It usually involves understanding where the other artist is coming from.
Or go the other way and over criticise and try to 'fix ' another artists work :P
I'm very biased for Sam. I've followed and studied a lot of his work. He also strikes me as a very kind and gentle person at heart (biased feelings). But I've also seen a lot of other artists go with the unspoken rule of "make your character attractive" in order to capture more of your audience's attention. Maybe all the noise/opinions from his fans has something to do with his changed art style, such as all of a sudden putting in more than usual rendering time in the oc's bosom, etc. But when it all boils down to it....Would you draw a completely different character and say they're "Naruto Uzumaki"? I just wish he showed more representation for Bella like he did Pedro ):
Sam does art is no worse than any other artist on Artstation who draws pretty girls. But the last of us picture is pretty representative of this group of artists who always draw women beautiful or sexy but allow men some gruffness.
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“LeT pEoPlE dArW wHaT tHeY wAnT” ok, let people talk/make videos on want they want 💀. All of you are hypocrites if you use that phrase but can’t accept the latter.
Such a great video, thank you! It's also great to hear a South African accent on RUclips by surprise! Had no idea when I clicked on this video. Subscribed! 🩷
It’s refreshing to hear your take on comment sections and criticism/hate. I wish more people would understand that everyone will have different opinions on things and have their right to express them. Feel like that’s something a lot of us should have learned growing up
As someone called Sam and does art, I have no words.
Ofc he's friends with kooleen 💀
I mean, he does draw men as real fleshed-out people but all the girls and women in his drawings are same-faced perfect dolls, whatever he says, it's still true
That opinion about comment sections was kinda a miss to me. Yeah, rationally you can't really stop people from criticizing online, but unless it's constructive; you _can_ hold them accountable. I don't just want to go "eet eez wat eet eez" and water it down to just "internet being internet smh", because there's still this thing called manners even in a social media setting. It reflects on your character - and yeah, ik some of ya'll be scoffing. How naïve of me to wish us be more polite online "Yea I ain't doing that." Completely disregarding consequences because we've turned pessimistic and lost empathy, and we use that to justify hurting other people. Because "what have they done for us?" and you know the answer to that? Nothing. So how exactly how do they deserve unwarranted hate when they've done nothing to you?
Even if this small movement of "non-conformity towards casual rudeness in commenting on the internet" won't change much, I'll still do it. Because believe it or not, that kind of attitude online _can_ cross over offline, sometimes so minuscule you don't even notice the change. But it happens. I've seen it happen to my sibling. The "unironically" turns ironic and real. And in the end they don't even see it a bad thing, they're in one opinion with the masses, after all. And I'm not one of those "Don't follow the sheeples!" people. God they're horrible too.
Thank you for listening to my ted talk.
when talking about critique, i believe we have to differentiate: One can criticize the work on a technical level, one can criticize the decisions behind a work, or one can criticize the person creating the work. The first is obviously legitimate, the second one I would say has good arguments for and against, but the third is absolutely off limits, no matter who is behind the work. especially when the words thrown around are pretty serious accusations.
It really doesn’t matter what he draws why do people worry so much about what somebody else is doing I draw what I want period
His art is just so irritating. All his female characters have the EXACT same face.
@@Vivyelnn_0102 Yes, actually. I can draw females that look differeng than eachother.
That's his oc Carra and Tessa
Just let artists draw whatever they want, 😭
Ok if you say that I go and draw cp
@@namkia205 k then i guess I'll have to specify every thing
Let artists draw anything but, child porn, irl ppl porn, porn of your family members, porn of animals, really weird fetish porn, porn of your teachers, classmates, students, friends, friends parents, gore of your teacher, classmates, family
Just let people make videos on whatever they want
@@kylesprite why draw a character if you wanna change their face to the point they look nothing like the og. Just draw an original character. If I drew a chubby ginger as a skinny blonde girl and responded with "I can draw her however I want" it wouldn't be very tasteful would it.
@@kylesprite you're right, I should've replied to the op
He’s doing what feels aesthetic to him. That’s okay
Sam has shown us countless times that he can draw different faces of both men and women, BUT it's his artistic freedom to draw what he prefers. And whether you think he was wrong for this or not, he handled this situation very well. It is admirable to see responsible person like him nowadays. He doesn't victimise himself and doesn't hide behind his loyal fan base as many do. I think he really proved himself as an artist and as a person
So instead of coming to the table to have a real discussion about why he cartoonified the girl but actually drew the man - he made a sarcastic joke about pretending to be sexiest? Honestly responding to real criticism with sarcasm is in itself rude. Pretending to be sexiest or racists as a form of humor (Kooleen) is not funny and is the oldest trick in the book on “how to say racist things and get away with it: step one say relax I was just joking”. I was feeling very off about following Sam given his relationship and continued support of Kooleen but this just convinced me to leave the fan wagon. You can’t respond respectfully to a genuine critique about turning women into caricatures when you don’t do the same to men; by being a sarcastic douche.
He was accused of being misogynistic for drawing a female in his art style, I’d make a mockery out of the accusation as well. It’s unrealistic to expect people to respond in the way you think they ought to, because people are beautifully different and no one should have to conform to your ideologies. Our differences is our humanity. Some people, like Sam, use humor as a coping mechanism or a deflection. You may think this is ‘immature’ or ‘wrong’ but your standards are not God’s moral law. Accusing someone of misogyny is not critique. Being self-righteous and dehumanizing people for their differences, their flaws, their ignorance, and/or their mistakes is one of the most inhuman and hypocritical things you can do. You expect a man to abandon his friendship with a person because of an ignorant comment she made; people are imperfect, including you, imagine if someone left you every time you made a mistake. We, as imperfect people, will always make mistakes even when we have good intentions. Stop thinking the worse of people, especially when you’ve probably done far worse than he has in his life. Stop turning your nose up at people just because they did something you don’t like, instead… try extending grace and kindness to people.
Ah, you're the type of people who see racism even in a rain drop? Chill out and get some fresh air.
First of all, there are many comments that explain the probable explanation for why these faces are different. He mostly draws girls which is as fine as when girls drawing girls only or boys only, and perhaps for him it's hard to adapt his style for male characters, because surprise surprise it's possible even if you've been drawing for many years.
Second of all, people can respond as they want. A lot of people use humor especially in tense situations because it's easier for them this way to defuse the situation, to show that they didnt have any ill intentions etc. You can't judge a person based on a single speech without knowing him personally, you definitely can't throw racist accusations or call a person names just because he's not behaving according to your book.
And also he made a whole video about the kooleen controversy, he didn't even defend her, he analyzed the problem and gave his own opinion. And as they seem to know each other very well, perhaps she's not a bad person, and he knows real her and you know people make mistakes, and a single mistake doesn't turn a person immediately into an evil being. If you gonna unfriend your friends every time they make a mistake without letting them grow and learn from it, then you're just toxic and will have no friends in the end of the day.
And learn the meaning of caricatures because rn you just sound as a chronically offended hater.
@@janaiyla I couldn't have said it better myself ❤
People really get worked up over silly things. Like why things like this bother people so much? Did he say smth bad about the actress or smth? No. So what that he drew her differently? As many people pinpointed here he draws same face for all his female character in a style he likes, as if hes the only one who does. And perhaps drawing different faces is hard for him due to the fact that he draws the same face always. People really jump to judging and cancelling instead of trying to think why it is like that. Too much of presure on artists lately, as if they cant have choice to draw what and how they like. So toxic
Tbh i feel like it's more and american thing than anythjng, or very young people in a bubble on tik tok.
I'm from italy and i don't think i've ever seen a single internet drama of this specific kind, while i open these things i can't help but notice how usa everything feels, like i just know it by the way the comments are written.
Maybe it's a bias of mjne?
But anyway it feels really offputting from an outside perspective, like i don't ever evem want to interact with a large chunk of the art community, it judt feels like when you recieve any sort of criticism you either comply or get harassed for weeks in your virtual spaces, i dont even know how to word this comment without people accusing me of being all sorts of diffamatory labels.
It's always weird seeing (i think american mostly) people discuss about whether cancel culture exists or not because "oh yeah they got dogpiled sure but they still have their online spaces like no one is actually taking away their freedom of speech here" and like, that's not even the point, not why we criticize it in my country at least (obv lumping opinions for simplicity).
I hear people talk about it here, how the young left is getting "way too influenced by the american one" and sort of exporting issues from a different context that just don't belong, leaving empty space for the right to fill easily
3:46 this part is so good for no reason 😭😭😭😭
Isn't the whole point of being an artist to have an art style?
You can have an art style and still make your characters look unique. That being said, its not a crime to draw what you find aesthetically pleasing. He may rub me the wrong way, but I don’t think he deserves the hate for drawing only conventionally attractive women
Thank you
I get the critique, and agree it's a weird creative choice. But he can also do whatever tf he wants in his art, and people online tend to make sht bigger than it needs to be when they have nothing better to do.
new subscriber of sam here! i was really worried when i clicked on the video that i accidentally followed someone who did something wrong, but this video helped me to understand the nuances of the situation, so thank you!!
Honestly, I love your input on this and without this video, I probably wouldn't have even known about this event! Thanks for your amazing video, enjoy this sub!
His work is very uncanny valley
Kinda, less recently tho
i’ve been wondering why i feel smt off about his art. I saw a friend have this digital art of a girl as their pfp. i thought it was A.I. art. Then later i realised it was from him
If people aren’t strong enough to consume social media and not be offended, then they shouldn’t use it. It’s a “they” problem, not a Sam problem.
I like Sam but this was kind of an eye opening video. I'm still gonna keep watching him because I think he handled it pretty well but I do really hope he does better in the future
Could you be more sanctimonious?
omg youre hilarious! i love the vibe here ❤
Thank you thank you 🥹
There's a difference between critique and criticism. Criticism should be ignored. Period.
1:16 so he drew a face of a child to be "attractive" yikes. this comes off so wrong.
He was obviously being sarcastic
@@link.2487 sorry I cant get sarcasm at all
@@link.2487 This is his alt account look at his account name lol I can't 😂
The actor is 19 as well
You'd rather have a...ugly child then?
You know the artists is a mature person when you didnt even know about the controversy about them
He doesn't even give credits
Fine art + digital media applied arts student here, Sam DOES have same face syndrome.
Look, at the very beginning of his career he did try to evolve as an artist, but rn he found a following that keeps seeing his content for exactly what he offers, so he just does not go further, artistically speaking. Sargent did have a style, Sargent painted thousands of portraits, each one different, still kept the essence of the individual. Sam DID have a style, but he has repeated the same exact methodology on each 'artwork' to an extent that it won't even serve his creativity no more. If you differenciate a character of his, especially girls, it's for their clothing or hair, certainly not his facial features. And hey, there's hundreds of artists who use a 'same face figure' in their arts out there, even gallery artists, but THEY DO HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PURPOSE. Even the most famous mangakas and japanese animation studios use apparently 'same faced templates' and STILL we are PERFECTLY able to clearly distinguish characters even if just shown the face. See what I mean?
I wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't painted digitally myself, but I've been doing it for YEARS, learning and working hand by hand with the most important digital artists of today's art industry, and I KNOW how easy it is to fall in the trap of always following the same 'routines': you render skin in these four steps with a non variant colour palette, you paint hair with this other specific brush, then you apply a textured pattern brush in this other parts of the portrait. It's a trap. And Sam fell as soon as he got fame. A shame, honestly, because that's what clearly states if he's an artist or just a creative dude who found a formula for gaining money through digital art and won't really try to have artistic growth...
That said, there's hundreds of other RUclips artists who are more centered in the learning/teaching community and not in the spectacle/content/'lets be trendy' side of YT. Sam could have been of of the first, sadly he chose the latter...
Yeah, this is a problem with the art community in general. Everyone likes to draw pretty people, but in plenty of feature films or art that the general public is exposed to, generally male characters are allowed to be more physically “unattractive” than women. Almost every woman or girl is designed as pretty, because consciously or not, society values people, ESPECIALLY women, by their looks. This isn’t a Sam unique problem, it’s a problematic aspect of animation and art in general to only want to depict pretty people, and to only depict “flawed” and “real” people as men. It’s why pissy gamers get upset when female characters who are still attractive have SLIGHTLY LESS conventional appeal.
Like I love making art and I fall into this trap too. I like drawing pretty things and pretty people! I just wish there was a more diverse pretty-to-ugly-ratio between men and women in popular media
I feel like it's one thing to have "same face syndrome" as an artist and another thing for that same face to be women with vacant eyes and half open mouths. And it's really another thing to apply that design to a drawing of a child. I mean, it's creepy. There's really no nice way to say it. It's a creepy way to draw a child.
Well, I get the impression that he gives the audience what they want. How often do you see other artists with the same technical level, but drawing something other than "pretty girls" and being unpopular because of it? I suspect he does this strategically, and hey, everyone needs to pay the bills with ads and followers.
Even publishers and studios seem to be prioritizing artists with huge followings and ignoring their portfolio/skills (seeing this myself at the agency, yup, I'm an artist). They're changing their hiring practices. Now, it's about finding someone somewhat compatible with the product who also has a massive follower base. The portfolio seems to be dropping to third priority.
We, the "unpopular artists", are getting screwed. (Tried the "pretty girl" route myself - fake Instagram account, exploded in a week. More followers in that week than all my original account's years combined. So disillusioned, I shut them both down. I'm so fed up with social media that I'm just dealing with publishers directly. I'll try the social thing later again...)
Briefing: Kep it up, Sam. He's not only a good artist, but he knows how to sell is skills. Respect for that.
Although I might have side-eyed the last of us art because of how "lazy" ellie's face was rendered while Joel's was a decent study, I wouldn't mind much.... BUT THEN... Sam decides to comment that he purposefully yassified her because "he's straight and that he finds it appealling"... Ma dude. Thats a 14 yo character.. Your sexuality has no business here. Absolutelly nothing indicates that it was a joke. And even if it was, is that the kind of thing you joke about?? Looks like backpedalling
Because man's immediately got called a misogynist by thousands of people
7 months late and it doesn't matter now I guess, but my 2 cents is that I don't think he was necessarily trying to change Bella Ramsey's face, so much as he just reverted to a process that he was familiar with, which produced a result that he's accustomed to. And he didn't do it with Pedro Pascal's face because the process doesn't work nearly as well on men's faces. As Sam has admitted before, he's not good at drawing men's faces. And if I remember the video where he did this pic, he relied more heavily on the reference for Pedro's face because he was deliberately getting outside of his same face syndrome comfort zone.
I think criticisms are fine, and his art style is not without limitations, but I don't think the accusation that he doesn't like Bella Ramsey's face was necessarily a fair one.
This drama was annoying when it got out especially because of how people tried to make it seem like Sam was some sort of woman hater for drawing Bella Ramsey in a stylized manner, and my interpretation of this was that he stylized her because he is better at stylizing women. He usually has to study men when drawing them so it makes sense that Pedro looks more photo accurate… because he was probably looking at photos, and not looking at many photos of Bella because he was confident in his ability to draw women. Just a little arrogance, but a healthy amount because his art is amazing and if I drew like him I’d probably be up on my skills too 😅
Nah, he just didn’t try to draw her accurately because the drawing after the one that got everyone talking, he was able to draw Bella Ramsey’s likeness as Ellie.
I hate this argument soooo muchhh
He can draw bella in his style while still making it look like her, an easy example is Sam giving her a V-shaped jawline when he could've easily had drawn a rounder one cos that's Bella's features!! It's weird it feels like him forcing his own beauty standards on a real person!
Wait did he really deffend how he drew elle by saying he draws FEMALES like that because he finds it attractive???
Y'know, famously a child elle??
You're kinda insinuating that attractiveness means sexually explicated. When attractive can literally just mean beautiful/handsome without having the implications that you want to bang them.
@@abandonrzAttractive does have a different connotation than beautiful, for example I don't think it would be normal to call a kid attractive instead of pretty or beautiful. It has the implication that you or someone else would be attracted to that person, which definitely sounds sexual or romantic.
Did you watch the entire video? Because that gets cleared up. Sam isn’t a weirdo he just didn’t go out of his comfort zone that time, which he has now changed with his recent art. 😊
Tbh, I hate the direction his personality went after he started publicly associating with Kooleen. It's like he's trying to do her "Being mean is so funny and real!" shtick, and both feel like rehashed Ethan Becker without any of the charm.
Lol it would have been better to do an art vid on Kooleen 😂 she is the definition of same face syndrome
I don't understand why people believe they have a right to change a person's art or decide it's problematic. Sure, people can not like it and talk about that, but why escalate it to a witch hunt every time? even to the point where others "fix" the original artist's art. Art is a form of expression, of having fun and yeah, it can have a discourse, but trying to get a discourse of misoginy out of a piece that is meant to be done just for fun and in the artist's style because they're more used to drawing women in it is just... why. Why overthink to that level.
Not mention, saying he drew Ellie in a "Yassified style" (I have no idea what that means to be honest, english is not my first language) when she's a child... bro she looks cute. His style is more disney like. Her childish features have actually been enhaced, why do you think it's weird?
3:55 God the “yep yep that’s him yea yep” bit made me chuckle out loud 💛
and more artists draw it worse or in a very exaggerated style which looks nothing at all like the characters or completely sexualize the characters, yet here we are finding something to complain about a popular artist simply because we don’t like their art style.
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@@flowerbabykitty sighs
@@flowerbabykitty there are some pretty wild art styles out there. If I replace a full nose of a person with a > in my sketch. Is that erasing someone's features?
Alright but like, who cares?? It’s his art and if somebody doesn’t like it they can simply click off and don’t look, it’s that easy. I don’t get the big deal and why people are complaining about these things
I get where everyone is comming from. But calling sam things like sexist or "women hater" is pretty over the top. He just likes to draw women in a certain type of way, which may also has to do with his disney like artstyle. But yes, he does have same face syndrom lol
He is not used to drawing men
I have been following sam for years now ut I didn’t know about this situation at all omg… thank you so much for explaining so nicely I 100% agree with you
I think Pedro Pascal is pre-yassified. When you draw a yassified Pedro, it's just Pedro.
Why is it so funny. Why did I laugh. This is a drama video. What is going on. Why is it so high quality. Why is it so… GOOD? And why does it have 3.5k views? And… why does Ludwig get 173k views in 7 hours for speaking loudly to a microphone for 57 seconds about nonsense? I don’t know. This is better.
This is fine.
I like Sam and his art but even I was like ‘is this video hoping to be about his same face syndrome?’ without even knowing what this controversy was. I agree the piece looks weird with the two characters being drawn/stylised so differently. It’s good to know Sam does recognise and wants to work on the same face syndrome though. I like seeing his art in my feed and his videos, and I love his use of colour and lighting.
I don’t think he needed hash criticism for this, but people pointing out that its a bit jarring to look at and bringing up the hate that Bella got and how him putting in the effort would matter for this because of that as well, is fair. Unfortunately reposting that comment was maybe a bad idea because it was not obvious that it was sarcastic to those who aren’t familiar with Sams online presence. Regardless I Cant wait to continue to see him grow.
I’m gonna honest, the art community and art community since ancient times has always sucked. It never gets better and there’s thousands of us now crammed into eachother because the internet. It’s the same for every community, it’s always getting worse everyday.
Poor Sam 😂
He is one of the good ones! He just has SFS (same face syndrome). Is a thing with some artist.
the issue is that he seems to have same face syndrome only with women, which is very strange
@@violetclover1224Not really, he mainly draws women so of course you’d see more of him drawing women with SFS. He rarely draws men and when he does he goes by reference not by using past experiences like he does when drawing women.
in my opinion he can draw whatever the fuck he wants and no one has a say in it.
its giving a bit of mysogyny tbh and im not usually the one to throw words like that around, but if he cant even draw the study (which u do to learn) of a girl when he can with a boy/man because he wants to always keep every girl perfect (perfect in his eyes, which is by making them sexually attractive)... thats very yikes. thats how a girl needs to be to him? this specific way
This is crazy. Let men draw what they want.
Facts. But nobody makes videos when’s these chicks draw female versions of male characters
no one is stopping him they're just choosing not to support him 💅
@@ujlt7198 except u left out the part where he was heavily criticized and ridiculed. Take your own advice, if u don’t like it then just quietly dip out. Instead, people are acting like trash, harassing him and calling him misogynistic. This whole situation is honestly laughable. Like people are actually making yt videos on it lol. I swear, year to year, people get less and less tolerable towards those that are different from themselves, no wonder we’re statistically the most unhappy we’ve ever been lol.
@@Lowkey-yb4nm let people make videos and say things they want 💅
@@ujlt7198 ok cool so u get the point 👍 at least u know you’re sensitive
He mostly draws only women, so he probably drew Joel from reference. It happens to artists that only draw humans and suddenly they need to draw an animal, so they use reference and then you have stylized humans next to realistic animals. I think it's odd that he doesn't draw men, but on the other I've seen lots and lots of female artists that only draw women (conventionaly atractive women).... I think that causing controversy for this is a little silly.
I was so ready to defend Sam because I had no idea this controversy even existed but you laid out all the facts and made GREAT points. Also, you're just entertaining to watch! So now you have a new fan lol
So so well said, as a musician and artist myself for about ten years and also an immigrant to the United States, it’s very odd how criticism over here can sometimes be so poorly received by artists. I think art in other countries typically embrace other styles and in more modern parts of the world there seems to be an underlying beauty standard depicted in these drawings. It is refreshing to see an artist want to make better art, and I hope younger audiences will push themselves to also use their art to portray the messages they want, and I would certainly hope that a younger audience genuinely would not want to support toxic standards of women (especially minors)
Watch out everyone, most folks are respectful. (Yeah this vid old but internet is forever) But there's some hardcore Sam fans being hypocrite and jerks in the comments section. (There is alt accounts so that already tell you everything)
Please watch the video first. It's very funny.
You have the right to like Sam and his art for whatever reason. Other people have the right to dislike him and his art for whatever reasons. The only thing that matter is to not be a jerk to him or the people that disagree with you.
I'm saying that because many comments are basically implying or saying that artists can draw whatever they want and that this video is hate and riding the drama. Never it is said that they don't have that right. We just also have the right to make video about it and criticized. There's a way to do it respectfully. And that video do it well. Like I'm serious it's so tame the aggressive response are surprising and I wouldn't be surprised if all of those people just looked at the title, watched 1 min and then complained in the comments.
So yeah, saying artists can draw whatever they like and don't need to appeal to anyone but only follow their own subjective taste. Is true and valid. But shutting down people giving their opinion about say art or how they don't like it for whatever reasons that also follow their own subjective taste.
Is massively hypocritical.
Just because it's not positive doesn't mean you have the right to stop other from saying it. Seriously you are giving a horrible image of Sam fandom by your defensiveness and double standard. I legit didn't think someone like him could have such fans but alas internet proved me wrong.
Yeah, he has that samey Instagram pretty girl art style like every other popular Instagram artist, but that's just a player playing the algorithm game. If it works, it works, but I'm not a fan. So let the man draw what he wants. 😅
There’s NO WAY Samdoesmen is a real account of him.
It is lol, he made it for the memes, he ain’t serious on that account
Wait. Was he really like "I'm straight therefore I don't bother studying what real life women look like I just change them into my preference instead"
yeah, pretty sexist tbh
from all the comments i read, it was sarcastic 😵💫
of everybody says let Sam draw whatever he wants if you want to draw only girls bottom draw the whole point of being an artist is to show the world. How you see it😊❤
Late to the Party, but I felt basically the same way as you. As artist myself I know how easy it is to fall into pattern when you overly familiar with something. (Women in that case) it was clear to me that the reason pedro looks more realistic because he doesn't have the same muscle memory. And he just defaulted when he drew Bella.
Is the art piece kind of bad because of the clashing styles - yes, can you point out that he clearly has same face syndrome - sure. Can you now say, that he must be a misogynist? No???? That's absurd, we don't know that man
Oh now I draw a charekter of my favorite game in my own art style. What a crime. I would have drawn her with cat ears in alternative universe buckling up with spideman fighting zombies and that would be fun and ok as well. Art is to express urself, thats the freedom artists have. The only thing we have to watch out for are banned symbols. Thats it. If I want her to be a SpongBob Charekter, I can do that as well. IDK why Artis just call out other artist for absolutly nothing...
This. There was nothing wrong with his picture, and people are just trying to find anything to be pissy about
I dont know man, i usually stay away from artists who never draw darkskin characters.
me too
Yea
Not everyone wants to draw black people! Let them draw what they want.
@@dongledeep that’s our personal preferences, we aren’t saying they cant 🤷🏾♀️
@@meowmeow2XX7Nobody cares about your preferences! Especially Sam he doesn’t care about you. 😂
... pretty sure sam is not the user behind the samdoesmen profile. Can't find a link to the samdoesmen profiles on samdoesart's profiles.. and given how different the posts and language is on that one. My guess is it's someone impersonating him as a joke. So I really would not ascribe what that account says to sam unless you can prove it's actually him.
Umm I know it’s kinda weird but does anybody else notice/hear piano or faint calming music in the background after she mentions the no pitchfork zone? It sounds like she’s picking up some curious background music. If not then that’s probably my hearing being superhuman for a second. I swear that my hearing is incredibly selective sometimes. I can sometimes hear the faintest of sounds. It’s funny because a number of times the sounds I heard were important. Like a couple weeks ago when I swore I heard my neighborhood well breaking, and then it actually broke. Or that time an alarm or device was ringing or making quiet noice in the floor below me at the other side of my house. I usually don’t know where the sound is coming from or what it is, but it’s normally about something important.
Twitter users not trying to cancel a creator: IMPOSSIBLE
Yeah I think it's just a limitation. But we tend to idealize when we paint. You can hide what your attracted to until you paint. You only had to look at J.C. leyendecker men to find out what subjects he was more interested in.
This is by the dumbest thing I’ve seen people complain about. Let the man draw what he wants to draw.