I agree with all your comment. It is the weakest but that is saying something as the series is one of the best out there and doesn't seem to be losing any steam and in some ways getting stronger.
You misunderstand the "hatred" for Kingdom Hearts 3. It's not so much the complicated lore, that's a problem with pretty much every entry of the series. A lot of people just thought it was too easy, had a problem with the lack of FF characters, and may have felt it wasn't worth the long wait. Although the reception is actually very mixed.
I'd agree with this. It's not that KH3 has complicated lore - its that it does nothing with it. Every aspect of KH3 is just revisiting a best of all the previous stories - it barely moves anyone or anything forwards at all. KH1 and 2 and all of those spin offs had something original in them but KH3 had nothing new to offer Also - dislike Fates intensely but i thought Fire Emblem 3 houses was a marked step up
Kh3 also has the worst story. Most characters are water down and written like they are to dumb and need sora to rush in a save them. Important character moments thrown to the way side to prop up sora. And overall the worlds were boring and have no impact on story.
@@TheWeeabooKid The world's having no impact on story has been a problem since after KH1. Ad yeah, some characters get in trouble, but they are also facing threats they haven't before.
It literally didn't explain any plot for 18 hours, then gave you 2-4 hours of the final sequence of the game. A character literally is confused about who all these people are... and we get no answers. I knew the past games and was disappointed not even to see a refresher to be nice. Not to mention the gameplay was the most simplistic at base. Sora had fewer abilities then KH2 meaning he felt weaker, this was "remedied" by forms but in turn you'd spend fights feeling weak/slow only to become powerful for 30 seconds. Meanwhile while visiting Disney worlds an rather common occurrence was "Use this power which completely stops Sora so the Disney plot can unfold the exact same way." going so far as even having the Electric Bad creating an Ice Dungeon.
The Final Fantasy XIII trilogy is soooo underrated it's actually infuriating. The hate mostly comes from the fact that back in 2010, many players wanted an open world FF game, but XIII is linear in its first half. Retrospectively, the three games are really good. XIII-2 especially was amazing, and it still has one of the best JRPG soundtracks of all time along with Persona 5. I really hope SE releases a remaster of the trilogy so that people finally realize how good those games actually are.
I love FF13...I went into it with an open mind and actually had a great time with it! I have yet to play the the other titles in the trilogy but I WILL!!
i think 4 and 5 are equally horseshit. Star Ocean 4 just had so extremely awful character designs, boring exploration in boring designed environments/planets and a really lame uninteresting story and Star Ocean 5 had at least a bit better character designs in my opinion but it was extremely low budget because the predecessor was such a commercial failure and so with the budget restrictions it had very little content and a lame story too
@@danhalo1405 I also hated the SO4 designs, exploration and story. It was very lacklustre but had some interesting elements (like the evolution of the Cardianon and Earth exploring planets) and wished they went further with that instead of a generic "save the universe from evil entity" plot line.
I haven't played 5 but I just couldn't get into 4. I've tried a few times and each time I get a little bit further but to no avail. Til the end of time will always by the best Star Ocean title for me.
This would interest me. Offhand, I can't think of any JRPG besides Star Ocean 2 I have played that had much of a love story. There is some romance in Final Fantasy X, but that is kept restricted and never blossoms.
I will die on the hill defending FF XIII. Yes, it's extremely linear, but that's refreshing in an age of open-world everything; and IMO it's the one RPG where everyone in your party seems to dislike each other at first, slowly changing over the course of the game so when the obligatory Power of Friendship Speech comes near the end, it actually feels deserved instead of trite.
Gotta agree. 13 was amazing. And i dont understand the issue with a linear rpg game. I often play rpg's 80% because of the story. Being linear allowed me to focus on the story and not, ah shit....where do k go...i gotta go pick up this pot, and this orange, and help this old guy out....OH! finally some story. 2 min later i have to do 36 more mundane tasks for a 2 min bit of story.
@@fairdeum4363 The story was mostly moot and aimless for over 50% of the game and much of the world and it's backstory was told through text entries though. I wouldn't have had an issue with it being so linear if there actually was a more engaging story.
I absolutely looooove the Hyperdimension Neptunia series! 😊😊❤️❤️❤️ One of my favorite Jrpg series. Especially part 3 Victory and VII and VIIR. They're cute and hilarious. True the very first one wasn't the best by no means but the main thing I do not like about them is all the TONS of dlc they have.
I'll say the very first iteration of Neptunia 1 was bad but I won't knock it as it was the very first in the series. Overall, the series has gotten better with each game after that but sure, you get tired of seeing the series get rebooted in the mainline series. I honestly love the series for its spinoffs and collabs.
@@MikuruX No it isn't bad. It was solid. It was just rough around the edges. Now if you want bad, play games like Megatagmension and Victory. Also, no it has gotten progressively worse as a series. VII was where it peaked and never ever got anywhere close back to the top of the mountain.
Honestly I see that spot as the first ps3 game. Its a fun story with trash game play and stock sound effects. How it got sequels I will never know but I am glad it did.
I love quite a few of these: Star Ocean, FF XIII, Neptunia, Kingdom Hearts III, and FF X-2. Even so, I understand the criticism for each of these completely. I guess I feel lucky that I am able to enjoy a lot of games that people don't like at all lol
I was 11 years old when I got Final Fantasy VIII along with a Playstation One for my birthday. It was the most beautiful game I had ever played. This game got me into RPG's. I started collecting all Final Fantasy games and from there I became a collector of many more game/consoles. It got me into my hobby and, for that, it will forever hold a special place in my heart.
After actually playing (and Platting) the entire XIII trilogy, their' actually not as bad as their rap. For 13, the story *is* convoluted because it just dumps you in and doesn't fully explain everything until the end and the first *literal* 40 hours is a tutorial. Once that tutorial ends, the game feels fantastic.
Honestly Final Fantasy 8 is one of the best in the series. All it needs is some minor changes vastly improve the gameplay. 1 expand the Magic pages so you can have at least 1 of each spell(you can count the -ra and -raga under 1 slot not their own) 2 remove the junctioned spells from your cast list or don't make stat changes during combat 3 allow players to buy spells from merchants instead of just getting them from monsters or from random spots 4 expand the combat menu to always have Items (that was the biggest BS thing they did, lock the Item action behind junctioning). All these small changes would make a huge impact on the gameplay. Also I will say that I really like the idea that all the side stuff in the Kingdom Hearts series actually matters in the overall plot. I however do think it could have be managed better. Kingdom Hearts 3 was disappointing because there was obvious pacing issues and difficulty of trying to piece everything together. It also had some of the worst levels designs of the series. Arendale was just a disappointment. I know that they made that level before or around the time Frozen was still in production but it was definitely poorly handled.
@@ltb1345 I actually like that mechanic and do think it works in this game because of the junction system. It makes the bosses and even regular enemies feel like actual challenges, particularly optional bosses, that you got to overcome instead of being able to overleveling them and make them absolute chumps. It does encourage you to not level up to make the game easier. I wouldn't be opposed to have it so you could turn off the level scaling and have traditional level zones, best of both options.
Absolutely! It was actually the first and only game I played for 17 hours straight with only bathroom breaks as a kid. My favorites was 1000 Words and having the whole party dress spheres as berserker.
@@PokeMaster22222 you're right about the only playable characters being female, but I feel when this game came out I was the target audience, an male in his late teens playing an rpg where he can choose the outfit for the sexy polygonal women on the screen... I used the berserker dress sphere quite a lot. Loin cloths 😏😏
@@tomfrost6049 Personally, due to childhood trauma, I absolutely despise violent girls (and thus, violent women), so any game with a majority-female party (or only one, female, PC) is inherently off-putting to me. Games with an even ratio, like the Bravely Default series (as an example) are better, especially if I can set the girls to support instead of offense, but I much prefer games with male PCs, since I find it sooo much easier to immerse myself in his shoes. So in my eyes, X-2's party decision is the absolute worst one they could've chosen. ...Oh, and yeah, I do love Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which does have a majority-female cast, and the most important characters are female...but the vast majority of that cast aren't frontline fighters (they're Blades, that support their Drivers from the rear, and only directly attack when using a Special), and three of the five main Drivers are male, so...it's all good in my book.
FF8 is incredible, I think a lot of people like it but the most vocal people love to shit on it. Unwarranted hatred of the Junction system which isnt nearly as bad or tedious as people make it out to be, nor do they seem to know about refining. Star Ocean 4 is really good too. A bit corny here and there but still a good game. Star Ocean games get so much hate, I love the series. Even SO5. People say it's just janky Tales, but I like Star Ocean a little more than Tales honestly. Love what ya love, who cares what the popular opinion is.
Yeah, I am a bit surprised still by how much people hate the systems in 8. I played it when I was still in high school, but I don't remember having any of the dramas or problems that people often bring up about it. Granted my knowledge of the Junction system was pretty shallow and simply enough to get me through the game. This was back when I got like 1 or 2 games a year, and it was a game I more than happily spent a lot of time on.
Or perhaps the reality is more in the middle? FF8 is flawed, I think a lot of people like it or hate it due to the flaws which either make the game fun or miserable. The junction system is absolutely amazing when you abuse refine, but if you don't abuse it then fights become draw fests slowing down the game massively. The reality is... the game is very hit or miss and being able to abuse the system to get Squall's Ultimate Weapon at the start should show this. It is either completely broken or completely dull. This would've been fixed had the refine system first off been a proper part of the game and not a skill you might not unlock where it could be rewarding but also not game breaking. A way to replenish your 30 used magic when you go back to town while letting draw have use to prevent you from hitting a dead end in dungeons. It being a service in town would've fixed almost every issue.
The junction systems is fine for gfs, but dumb for spells. It basically discourages the use of magic. Its the draw system that is deeply flawed and tedious
I don't like FF8 and it has nothing to do with junctioning, other than the fact it incentivizes spamming draws. Its one of those things you either don't understand.... or you do and it completely breaks the game. I've managed to have 7,000 HP on all characters by end of disc 1 and be totally invincible for the next two discs. I found the characters to be very flat and one-note, and what RPG punishes you for leveling up?
In defense of Hironobu Sakaguchi, his last "Final Fantasy" where he had total command to show what he was made of, was Final Fantasy IX, and we all know what a jewel of a classic that one was. He had no real hand in the series from X onward, that is Kitase territory. And love how you still keep the hate going for Time and Eternity. Why in hell did Imageepoch not focus on polishing the Last Ranker and Sol Trigger franchises, or at the very least port them properly (they are their best games after Arc Rise Fantasia and Stella Glow, imo) is beyond me. Oh well.
I had no idea who she even was until I started watching Critical Role and now I'm looking back at things and going "ah, she/he/they are in this as well"...
@@mistersomaru Exactly. She shut down her heart when she was attacked in the alternative dimension where she met her "doggy". It was to protect her sanity, and Cerberus/"Doggy" saved her life. As a result, she is stuck as a 6-year-old, even though she should be 16, nearly 17. Falling in love with Faize breaks her out of that, and as you can see in the final unlockable ending, she is behaving like a young woman, not a little girl. I can see what the VA was going for doing the dub, but it is cringey. 'Kay?
I remember being super disappointed with Fire Emblem Fates because the story felt like it was written by a 12 year old trying to be edgy. It's a shame because the gameplay of Conquest felt super polished and the levels were a lot of fun; my favorite being the level where you play on two maps simultaneously. In the end, I think the writers were overwhelmed by 3 campaigns, and the mountain of support conversations. Luckily, they managed 3 houses better in the writing department.
In my eyes at least, all of the mainline Final Fantasy games are great; I think people's hatred of certain entries mainly comes down to personal preferences in the series based on how different the games are from one another, and for some, over resentment over how popular and successful the games are in comparison to some other game that they feel is better.
I'll die there with you brother : ) I feel like I could write a Master's Thesis on FFVIII as a game, and the skewed and misunderstood Western reaction to it, at this point, lol.
It was one of my most favorite final fantasy games as well. I loved the junction system for buffing my team, but when I discovered the non-leveling trick, the game became EVEN BETTER! To truly experience the game, you need to stay level 1 throughout most of the game until your GF's get the stat up skills, then you junction it to your character and level them individually to max out their stacks without magic junctioned. This was amazing for me and I suddenly realized this is why enemy level scaling mattered in the game, because it was designed for level 1 runs, it was designed for max stat runs, it was designed to have multiple playthroughs doing different things!
Yeah, and they are also deliberately niche titles. It's so shallow and, to me, just plain dumb, all the people who love to hate on anything with a moe aesthetic, or a little girl character having a high-pitched voice (this is almost universally a problem with the English dubbing; the Japanese VA for those characters always sound good to me.. it's just hilarious how many people just overtly hate a little girl character for even existing... like seriously grow up), or just being too Japanese in general... it's such a narrow, uninformed perspective. There is so, so much "good trash" about macho tough guys that goes completely unremarked on, but anything moe, eveyone has to make this big public display of denouncing. It would be hilarious if it weren't so depressing.
I kinda agree, berseria was a top tier game, I still believe it deserved more popularity than it got, the story and characters in Berseria were amazingly deep and interesting. Sorry but sorey was boring AF, I really did like Rose though. Ff13 grew on me.
I don't quite understand the complaints about its combat system, it was actually fun when you actually put in a little of your time to learn how it works
Played it 4 times in a row, no joke. But it had extremely big shoes to fill after Xillia 2 (My favourite Tales game of all time) and with that, it failed, for me
I got into RPGs with the FF series. Started with 7,8,9, Tactics. Loved them. Became a diehard FF fan. Really enjoyed 10 and 12. Played 13 and couldn’t even finish the game, I despised it so much. Everything from the characters combat system and story. I can’t honestly think of one thing I liked about it. Played 15 years later. It was kinda meh to me. Pretty bummed with the direction the franchise has gone.
I honestly thought 13 was decent but flawed... And 13-2 did fix a lot of the mechanics from 13 (but still was a sequel no one expected). Lightning Returns was just a big "Just stop embarrassing yourself already" type of thing with how much the series was drawn out. Also, I will never understand how people hate Vanille or Hope more than Snow. I actually like Vanille, but she was flawed. Hope seemed pointless to the story as a whole... and Snow actually made me mad. Snow is in my eyes, one of the worst video game characters, let alone the worst in all of Final Fantasy. That whole "Hooray Patrick! We saved the world!" meme could have been used for Snow given what happens in just chapter 1... That's just.... wow... And as one last side note, videos that showed off the beta battle system when FF13 first got announced? That's the same battle system they used for Lightning Returns. They just reworked it.
I actually enjoyed Tales of Zestiria. The music was Amazing and the battle mechanics clicked with me by mid game, mainning Lailah will make combat amazing. Some of the cast were bland but others were amazing, I prefer Lailah or Edna and Zaveid over the main character Sorey. Probably because I managed to predict Sorey's Character's arc early on due to the "tropey" story, while the other characters motives and fate was shrouded in mystery, especially Zaveid.
I liked FFVIII when it came out for what it tried to do, but as time passed the flaws showed more and more. I'd really like to see another RPG done with the concept with tighter mechanics though. Apparently one of the ideas for the game when it was in early development was to eliminate spell levels and instead have a spell's power determined by how much MP you pump into it when casting. I can see how that would be easy to abuse, but so is Junctioning.
After Xillia 1 and 2, Zesteria had BIG shoes to fill (Xillia 2 is not only my favourite Tales game, but also one of my most favourite games of all time) and it failed, for me at least, but that didn't stop me to play through the game 4 times in a row. Still, i think it is one of the worst Tales games we got... right after Berseria. THAT game i didn't even finish
@@banedeath if you play older tales games there are much worse like Tempest and Legendia, honestly Zestiria is hated because it doesn"t live up to the expectation on high end gen console
I just couldn't get past the Disney elements in the Kingdom Hearts series. An RPG with Mickey and Goofy was just too much for me. Though I do understand why a lot of people enjoy it.
Same. It didn't help that the only Disney I was familiar with and liked were things like Robin Hood and Sword in the Stone, and I guess also the classics from the old days, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, but those I had just watched once as a little kid, I didn't like them like I liked Robin Hood... The whole 90's period I still haven't seen most of, and just don't have interest... like the only thing I know is in the games that I actually like a lot is Nightmare Before Christmas. But yeah, the entire concept seemed utterly pointless to me... and I'm pretty sure that to a large extent the fanbase of the series is mainly female. I am also still just bitter in general about how Nomura was then, and continues to be treated like a king by upper management, at the same time as they were fucking over Yasumi Matsuno's vision for 12 so hard that he quit the company before it was finished, and the plot is a shadow of what it would have been if he had simply been given the same free hand Nomura was.... like all the shit Nomura put the company through with the XIII games, vsXIII, turning that into FFXV, which took forever to make directly because of how incompetent Nomura is, to the extent they brought in a co-director to get the damn thing done. Can you imagine what could have been if Matsuno had been given that kind of treatment while making XII? Still pisses me off. Like, is it because he has some personal ownership over the VII characters? That's the only thing that makes sense unless he is literally blowing the upper management every morning.
Depending upon who you are, but I personally think there is a specific aspect of jrpgs we did not appreciate as much like we do now. Rpgs in general were looked at as sort of these fun adventures with awesome stories and every time pretty FMVS come on screen we would go nuts over them. But there is a artistic representation of rpgs that I think we could not really capture when we were children. It was until we got older that we realized every tiny little detail in all of the 2d landscapes and interior designs of the world which added an immersion to the experience. Well FF VIII was looked at as sort of the black sheep of the FF series, looking back at it now, its far greater then what we initially percieved as kids. The world is gorgious with some of the most breathtaking environments and the game has some of the best music tracks that fits the theme and mood of the story and location you are in. The story is well structured with enough turns and twists to keep you satisfyed if you understand it. It was all around a great game.
Interesting. I’ve never heard that take before. Personally, XIII is my least favorite entry in the series, but I can understand why many people like it. I’ve noticed it’s usually people who came into the series later who like it, and that makes perfect sense. My first FF was VI, and I mostly lost interest in the series after X came out because it felt like a completely different experience from all the previous titles I had played, and I wasn’t a fan. XII bored me but I didn’t hate it. I just remember very little from XII. XIII convinced me that my time with FF was over, and I’ve never played another mainline entry since.
@@alrightsquinky7798 The FF series sort of lost alot of its DNA components for sure after FF X. FF XII was actually introduced to be one of the best written and ambitious projects and headed by Final Fantasy Tactics director Yasumi Matsuno who was responsible for FF tactics series and Vagrant story and director Hiroyuki Ito who had vast experience on the entirety of the FF franchise but alas, he bailed out very quickly and only the first introductory concept of the story was established by him, the rest was concieved by the new director consisting of Hiroshi Minagawa, while Akitoshi Kawazu of SaGa series fame became the game's executive producer. His record for Final Fantasy series was pretty much just the spin off like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles and the FF legend series way back on the gameboy, but outside of that, he did not have near the acccreditation that Matsuno had. Coincidentally, creator of the FF series Hironobu Sakaguchi at the time refused to play past the opening act of the games story. He was pretty dissapointed by Matsuno's departure. Which is prob why the intro of the story is well executed and amazing lol, its just to be bad anything beyond that is pretty average.
I’m really surprised Chrono Cross didn’t make the list somewhere. I love the game very dearly, but it gets an absurd unreasonable amount of hate even to this day. Fantastic list though!
I don't hate it, but it got lots of 9.5/10 type scores, and it just didn't deserve that. If they cut out the pointless characters (about 35 out of the 45 party members) and had more than 10 dual/triple techs, it would be better. Lots of people don't like the fact they spent about 15 minutes making it a sequel, when it was clearly anything but.
Tales of Zestiria is my first Tales game, currently playing it, and I went straight for hard mode lol. About halfway through and I actually find it fun and charming. I guess I'm going to love the rest of the series if they're that much better.
Played most tales games myself and each game has is sort of set in their own universe (with a few exceptions) with some distinct differences but all share the same core dynamic, the interactions between the party members is the strongest selling point imo, to me Zesteria was the weakest entry in the series but it's still a quality entry in its own right... after you have finished up with Zesteria i would suggest Tales of Berseria as that also takes place in the same "universe" as Zesteria. Vesperia is probably my personal favourite though.
Tales of the Abyss is awesome. If you got the time try it. (after Berseria like kyro suggested. That one is set in the same universe so might as well) Iirc, the "top 5 favorite" (in "no particular order majority vote" by the people i know, including their rose tinted nostalgia glasses) is Abyss, Symphonia, Vesperia, Xillia 1 or 2... or both (i really don't know) and Graces f are the best. Personally, I think Abyss is number 1 because... everything. Story, characters (even the slimy villains), gameplay are all great. In fact, the gameplay is my favorite amongst all the Tales game. I wish they'd go back to that.
Zestiria isn't a bad game i'd say, although in my opinion it overstays it's welcome a bit and there's to much pointless running around in the later parts, but it's main problem is that it is in the Tales of series. A bad game in a series of bad games wouldn't stand out. A good game in a series of great games would.
Thanks for the content Erick, 10/10 video as always! And I know how hard it would be for you for little reward but that won't stop me from forever hoping we get another bloopers vid out of our guy ELRPG!
to me the third was worst ,the game mechanics were so simple that you can see the desire to end the story because it needs and end and i hate the ending
I'd throw Legend of Legaia 2 on there. The first game was fun, the combat was a bit like Xenogears in that different attacks could be chained together. 2 was just...well, it's like the main goal was to kill the series and boy did they succeed. That's the only way I can describe just how the devs could've botched it the way they did.
I got the game for $20 brand new near launch. The game came out, no one bought it and Gamestop was desperate to move stock. After playing it for a bit, I realized why I should've been suspicious why it was discounted so quickly. The game is a mess. It plays more like Candy Land than any JRPG. Everything is just random, the game might as well play itself. It's like the director of Unlimited Saga had trouble making decisions and figured "you know what people hate in RPGs? Choice. Lets just make every action random. That'll be fun, right?" And everyone just sarcastically responded "Yeah, that sounds great." but it just flew over their head and now the game is hardly remembered, even among Saga Series fans.
As a Tales of Symphonia 2 defender Tales of Zesteria broke me on the franchise, the combat was that bad. And FE Fates is dumb but the bad localization is what makes it truly a bad game. As for FF13, It’s OK, I’ve started to appreciate it knowing what the studio must have gone through. That transition from ps2 ~> ps3 was rough on many Japanese franchises.
I actually became a Tales fan because of Symphonia 2. Its combat was simplistic but enjoyable. Zestiria though was just unpleasant to play. I'm relieved it didn't completely derail the franchise like many other other black sheep games did.
Agreed for Symphonia 2 and Zestiria. I have a special fondness for Symphonia 2 as it was one of my first Tales games alongside Abyss, and even then, I still enjoy it a fair bit. But I can't help but dislike Zestiria every time I look at it.
The Hyperdimesion Neptunia series is actually a guilty pleasure of mine. I like the series..sure it has some face palming moments but it's a game focuses on memes and comedy..and fan service. It's to be expected. A game that is similar to Hyperdimesion Neptunia but has a deeper story is Fairy Fencer F, a great game and deserves a play.
I'm jealous, when KH3 came out i hated it and I was raised on KH. Played the first one when i was 7, but didnt find any enthusiasm for 3. Honestly bummed about it
For KH3, look the story is what it is, a mess but the game and the whole series is awesome. They story makes it easy to forget what we loved about it in the 1st place, a really fun crossover! My only real issue in 3 was the removal of FF characters
I think I'm one of the few people who loves Zestirua. Hell, I've been playing the Tales games since rhe first one on the Snes. And Zestiria is on my top 5. Not the first spots, of course, but it's there.
If they had treated it and Berseria properly, ergo started with a clear begining and end while having sense of how the world ought to work then it would have been better. As it stands right now i am questioning how the world did not end.
I like zestiria too, even more so playing it a second time after berseria. My biggest complaint with it though is the battle stage settingsn especially in tight spacea where walls can block or obstruct your view, its super annoying. But i enjoyed the story and characters
I think Zesteria is just fine, I like it more than most tales games. It definitely isn't "the best" but it is not the worst or even bottom half in my opinion.
People who hate games like Hyperdimension Neptunia hate them just because they're gatekeepers. Neptunia doesn't take itself seriously and has a ton fanservice and that's ok, not every jrpg needs to be a philosophical and mature game, sometimes you just want to relax and have fun playing those kinds of games
not really? it depends... I like the hyperdimension series alot, heck i even watched the, rather terrible, anime a long while back. The games are fun and have some really cool and funny moments, but could definitly use a lot more story, environment variety, enemy variety and so on. a good example is fighting Arfy 4 times (3 times if you don't include her big form) and big dad 3 times in Victory.... The dlc is rather lame in alot of the games aswell. I think what people need to realize is that you can have a fun light hearted game with actual good writing and serious moments here and there. I love the games and know they could be WAY better than they are now.
Depends with Fe fates, Conquest gameplay wise is such an incredible Fe game. Birthright just feels too easy, but that makes it a great entry point game for new players. Revelations I don't like to talk about. Conquest is genuinely solid tho
@@ricardohernandezr5765 i havent played it. So dunno. But I suspect alot of the hate was misdirected because we didnt get chronicle 3, and waited so long for a sequel, and people got a surprise spinoff instead.
I remember trying to play Lunar DS on the bus on my way to school, only to have my party flee from every battle. Turns out blowing into the mic causes the party to flee and the background noise of the bus was enough to trigger it. A handheld game that is unplayable in public places...
Despite all the probelms that Zesteria had, it is actually my third favorite Tales game (out of nine I've played). I really enjoy the fusion mechanic. And yes, I agree it has some problems with it (such as that if Rose' or Sorey dies then you are pretty much fucked), I love the idea as a whole.
I really, really enjoyed the Hyperdimension Neptunia game that I played. Then again, full disclosure, I am a shallow and somewhat dense person so take my opinion for what it's worth.
Lightning Returns is great, except the convoluted time mechanics, but you can manage with a guide for the quests and by the end of the game there is a skill that almosts keep the time stoped.
Fire Emblem Fates actually has pretty damn-good gameplay, I have to say, what with adding bows and magic (and the new shuriken/daggers) to the weapon triangle, and interesting new Skills like Replicate, along with the Partner Seal and Friendship Seal mechanics, and not "resetting" a character's level when changing class like Awakening did (so if the character's already over Lv. 15, they'll get their class's Skills over the next few levels, instead of having to reach 5 and 15 every single time). I actually like Fates more than Three Houses, since Fates doesn't have needlessly-strict restrictions like the calendar or Activity Points, and has very few gender-locked classes (even the usually female-only Pegasus Knight line was renamed to "Sky Knight" and made accessible to guys), which 3H unfortunately, and idiotically, reverted. Fates is just far more open than 3H, which is what I find fun. Saying that, though, yeah...Fates' stories aren't exactly the best, they didn't need to essentially bring back Tharja as Rhajat, Peri is a psychotic abomination who should've been executed long before she could ever hope to become Xander's retainer, and the stat drops tied to Silver weapons and stuff is utterly dumb, and the children units had no real reason to exist other than to bring back this system from Awakening, and there's no Apotheosis map to bother min-maxing for. Oh, and when the 3DS eShop inevitably shuts down most of this game's content will become inaccessible, so that sucks.
i would like to say i prefer things to be limited. In fact I find being able to change your units to any class to be less fun due to things like all wyverns in 3houses. In older games you get certain units and have to deal with what you have available. Theory crafting how you want to design your army can be fun, but i do love being told you just have these units and this objective get the job done. When you have to make choice of when where or how to use your resources. I'll condemn 3 houses for the fishing game implemented the way it is. i don't think the limitations on time is a problem in itself. Take for instance the persona games since 3. They are interesting partly due to time management. 3 houses does a decent job with its first foray into time and resource management, but would like to see it expanded.
@@Fleatingdays That whole "3H = Persona" thing is something I'll never understand, since in Persona you get to play on every single in-game day, whilst in 3H it's only Sundays, with Mondays being lectures and the rest of the week auto-skipped (so they might as well not exist). Why can't I at the very least explore the Monastery on Tues-Fri? Or have Seminars on those days? Complete waste of potential. As for "I don't like a full party of Wyvern Lords"...yeah, I agree, 3H's Certification Exams do kinda make all units blend together since (outside of those utterly stupid gender-restricted classes) all classes are available to all students, whereas the characters in Awakening and Fates had their own list of accessible classes. I just like how there's nowhere near as many gender-restricted classes in Fates.
I thought that Victory and V2 were considered mechanical improvements for the Neptunia series? However, the series sense of humor will always be a love or hate it affair for many.
Xiii-2 was really enjoyable imo, the level design, story and even the music was an improvement compare to the first, i tried to enjoy Lightning Returns as well but the time limit aspect killed it for me.
I really liked XIII-2 as well, and Lightning Returns was a big "wut?" for me. The time limit wasn't as bad as it initially seems since you get a spell to stop the clock... powered by your quest to drive every animal into extinction (wut?), so while you freak out about it early game, by the end you're wondering how long you really want to drag out each day. The story though... whew, this is not where I wanted to leave these characters.
Breath of fire 1-4 are among my favorites. I hate how they killed the series because they were set up so well with 4 and then murdered it with dragon quarter. A true shame
I won't say that I hate Kingdom Hearts but I was 26 when it came out, which means I have waited half of my life for that game to come out. Once I finished it my first thought was " I've waited that long, just for that..." Kingdom Hearts 2 is the best of the series. BBS comes after that in my opinion.
Hey, really enjoying your channel, especially the Top-10 Lists. Would love to see captions of the Game's Titles, though, if you have never heard of them, sometimes it's kinda hard for me to grasp the exact wording. Thanks, and keep up the good work.
I’m not gonna lie; one of my favorite series of videos I watched on RUclips was a compilation of videos called “Let’s Hate Final Fantasy VIII.” It was dedicated to hating on the game’s broken mechanics and cheese-filled dialogue. I had a good laugh! But to be clear I actually LOVE Final Fantasy VIII!! It holds a true nostalgia value for me and has one of the best soundtracks in the series! Ppl still love it too as evidenced when so many complained that the FF Compilation released a few years ago initially didn’t include it. No love/hate relationship with it I genuinely love it. But I also love it when people make fun of it.
The funny thing about Zestiria is that I'm quite the opposite. I don't care for the story or characters (and also, equally critically, the dungeons and towns feel incredibly hollow and repetitive for Tales). But the combat is my favorite in the series, outside of some BS it pulls in the final battle. Had an absolute blast mastering it on Moderate.
I say it was a porly conceived idea!!! A world where evil just bottles up is insanse, the villain being an asshole who was cursed as a punishment by an idiot with immortality. That kind of a worlr is begging to be destroyed, where is Beerus when you need him?
hey guys just out of the topic question... just purchased a physical copy of a ps4 game with a dlc code on it ..however my main acct is region 3 and the code region is 2 ..i created a US account and succesfully downloade the code my question is am i able to get the dlc items i downloaded in Reg 2 by switching user to my main acct which is reg 3 or will the dlc items only be available on the reg where i downloaded it.. thanks
10 - FFVIII - I loved it, never got the hate 9 - Star Ocean 4 - one of my favorite SOs, also never understood the hate 8 - Kingdom Hearts 3 - could never get past KH 1, I just found it boring 7 - Tales of Zestiria - I enjoyed the battle system a lot actually as well as the equipment levelling system, but hated everything else, especially Sora and Mikleo- 6 - Hyperdimension Neptunia - Always wanted to try them but never got around to it. The meta-story seems interesting to me, and I like the anime character designs... 5 - Fire Emblem Fates - fine I guess. I prefer the older entries... I did despise the choice they made to sell the ending as a separate game. Wish I had bought the combined package though, which now sells for hundreds of dollars... 4 - Lunar Dragon Song - I adore the Lunar series, I have the original collector's edition games signed by Vic Ireland (president of Working Designs). However I never tried Dragon Song. Never even heard of it actually. 3 - Hydlide - no idea, I would have guessed this was an old arcade game like Joust 2 - Breath of Fire 6 - Can't Say I tried it either... Love lots of the other BoF games though 1 - FFXIII - Ever since FFX, I usually don't enjoy the game when I play it, but then over tiem I realize I want to play it again. Happened to me with 10, 12, and 13. Now I look back at the battle system and think I might really love this game.
Thank you, I absolutely hate FF8 and no idea why it's so popular. There are so many bad systems, characters were awful, story was bad and draw was also stupid.
FF8 and 13 among of my favorites in the series and i love Zestiria (i can't explain why, the overall atmosphere i guess). Don't really understand the hatred of Star ocean 4 nor KH 3. Who are these people hating on these games? I can see room for critisism of some aspects of these games, but hatered? weird people. Especially ff8, how mad can you be to hate this masterpiece?
I played FF8 last year, it was such a disappointment for me. I personally liked the romance, I actually think it was the game’s strongest point. But around the final quarter in the game the drop in quality was disastrous. The plot became an absolute mess. And even tho I’m not a fan of the ATB system, no game pissed me off with its system like FF8 Also, Zesteria and FF13 (the first one) may have their faults, but they’re still good games. I enjoyed them both a lot.
I thought it was one of the most fun FFs 🤷🏻♂️ Gameplay wise at least. Incredible soundtrack too. Couldn't care less for "messy plot" but that's cause for me combat and music are what games are all about. The one I can't stand is FF12, it's so tedious and boring.
@@Walamonga1313 lol I actually loved 12 A LOT. Its gameplay and exploration were so addictive that I didn’t pay much attention to the story. Characters were mostly shit tho
There is a guy named Spoony who back in the day made a review of FF10. He can be a little over the top and dramatic, and he lambastes the game on all levels. Except the romance lol, I think the only issue he had there was that Quistis made way more sense for romance.
One of the most memorable games that I remember enjoying on ps2 (but everyone else HATED) was Legaia 2. I just have such fond memories of sitting around that fire cooking and chatting with the characters it was brilliant and certainly not worth the hate it got.
@@DipsyMum29 The battle mechanic of 4 directions to make combos was the same, but the first game also had a rather unique magic system when you had to absorb enemies into yourself and them summon them as magic. And because these enemies only appear in areas blighted by the mist, erasing the mist, a key objective, could make it so you miss out on spells if you rush through the dungeons. Admittedly Legaia 1 wasn't a masterpiece by any stretch, but it had a charm to it that the sequel lacked., at least in my opinion.
I wouldn't put Final Fantasy 8 on the list, despite not being a fan of the game. It's controversial for sure, but the majority of the people who played it like the game. Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 13 and Final Fantasy 15 are more "hated" than Final Fantasy 8.
I think it'd be more accurate to narrow down the Neptunia entry to Neptunia Reverse. After Megadimension and Super Nepunia RPG were considered the best games in the series and Cyberdimension being praised for its ambition, fans were eager a continuation to mega. Instead, Reverse was announced as a "super remake" (whatever that means) of Re;Birth 1. Fans were extremely disappointed, given it's the most ported of all Neptunia games. As for what was new, there was a fishing minigame (which was also used to test out the PS5 controller's functions), puddles were added to open dungeons, an arrange mode "for experienced players" (Read: literally just regular story mode but with every character available at all times). Fan disappointment became frustration when it turned out none of the dialogue had changed in the slightest, including explicitly calling the game Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1.
I never used the vast majority of my Magick because it would reduce my stats... I like the draw system, I thought it was unique and a way for everyone to use Magick no matter what. The idea was pretty cool.
So basically the entire system ;-) @banedeath One of the things I have appreciated about FF is that its willing to trying out new ideas, when so many other RPGs or just other games in general just keep doing the same thing until it stops selling. Sometimes, it fails, like FF8
Hola Erick, me gustó mucho tu vídeo. Me preguntaba si podrías y querrías hacer videos con tips sin spoilers de cómo jugar alguno de tus RPGs favoritos. Saludos y sigue con tu buen trabajo.
Mate you are a legend, you are a true jrpg king but I've noticed you love strategy type games most. Which are great but I prefer traditional turn based rpgs, Final fantasy and dragon. Quest. Obv ff lost it self after 10 but square are coming back. I've also heard you haven't played many dqs, go back and play them all, they are all very similar but are worth the play. Also Chrono cross is quality but nothing will beat ff 4-10, suikoden 1-2-3-5. I haven't finished 5 though. Thank you for your videos ❤️ Zoltans tunes are excellent also.
It was the battle system and the convoluted weapon / normin rubbish that made people despise the game. When your usual party of 4 is pretty much too weak individually and you have to consolidate to 2 which limits your options.. it just didn't feel right... and the fact that your partner character could cycle through the links quickly and get everyone killed in short order also left problems. The only reason I like Zesteria now is for Zaveid honestly and Mikleo... Berseria was the redemption for that setting.
I didn't like the way Zestiria handled the levelling and weapon skill system either but if you actually played the game on the hardest difficulty from the start, you didn't need to grind to beat the last boss, character levels actually made little difference in this game, it was having the right weapon skills that mattered. I'd assume that people that struggled with the final boss did so because they only upped the difficulty at the end to get the trophy for beating the last boss on the hardest difficulty. Playing the entire game on the hardest difficulty or at least in bursts when you could would give you much better skills dropped on equipment and made you stronger more so than levelling ever would. The most annoying thing about this game was the god awful camera angles at times which could cause you to get cheap shotted when you couldn't even see your own character, nevermind the enemy.
I've no idea now, I played the game years ago when it first came out, but I'm the sort of player that doesn't rush through a game and explores everything before I move on, I do remember the last boss however and remember it defeating my party the first go at it. The next time I changed the order I rotated the spirits in and was successful, however I did play the entire second run on the hardest mode, never had to grind up to beat the last boss. I do remember how insignificant levelling characters was though, weapon skill effects were far more important.
@@tombrooke1281 Cause I play on hardest. I was lvl 52. My cousin said i was under lvled. But I also assumed the boss would be more like my skill alone can beat it. Like a Kingdom hearts game, beat that lvl 1 run cause I was in control. That breaking the shield thing was the only thing that was messing me up.
Honestly Zestiria had all the workings for a great game. It just had some awful growth mechanics with the worst weapon/skill system I've ever played. Story and characters were really solid. Camera didn't bother me as much as it did for others.
@@aqua6887 I don't see why they would. The first half of the fight is easy as hell. Then the second half with the two of them in their super forms is just nonsense. There's no challenge when you can just infinitely spam artes, and take no damage. You can't lose in the second half at all. They might as well have made that a qte sequence.
I remember playing the neptunia series back in its hayday and thinking the games were awesome rpgs that deserve to be next to games like final fantasy and the tales of series. man was i stupid. looking back. as quirky as the characters were, their characters got flanderized when the series managed to survived past 5 years. it only got worse when idea factory and compile heart decided to just port their assets to new games and do nothing else beyond just writing another nonsensual story. and they're doing it again for the series' first ps5 game, which is a port of a port of an 8 year old vita game. i'll be honest, the concept of playing personalized then-current consoles was pretty clever. but unfortunately that didn't last since after the 3rd game, it just became memes, shitpost and ecchi moe crap.
Just gonna say it.
If Zesteria is the weakest link in the Tales franchise, that just speaks to how good the overall quality of the Tales series is.
I agree with all your comment. It is the weakest but that is saying something as the series is one of the best out there and doesn't seem to be losing any steam and in some ways getting stronger.
I'm pretty sure that Tales of the Tempest actually has that crown.
I would say symphonia 2 is the weakest
@@filialuvssquigly7447 Nah definately Tempest
If we’re talking main series than I think Graces is the weakest personally. Still a good game, but not my favorite
You misunderstand the "hatred" for Kingdom Hearts 3. It's not so much the complicated lore, that's a problem with pretty much every entry of the series. A lot of people just thought it was too easy, had a problem with the lack of FF characters, and may have felt it wasn't worth the long wait. Although the reception is actually very mixed.
I'd agree with this. It's not that KH3 has complicated lore - its that it does nothing with it. Every aspect of KH3 is just revisiting a best of all the previous stories - it barely moves anyone or anything forwards at all. KH1 and 2 and all of those spin offs had something original in them but KH3 had nothing new to offer
Also - dislike Fates intensely but i thought Fire Emblem 3 houses was a marked step up
@@AFriendRemembers Yeah, that's another problem with KH3. It had so many story threads to tie up, rather than really taking much of a leap forward.
Kh3 also has the worst story. Most characters are water down and written like they are to dumb and need sora to rush in a save them. Important character moments thrown to the way side to prop up sora. And overall the worlds were boring and have no impact on story.
@@TheWeeabooKid The world's having no impact on story has been a problem since after KH1. Ad yeah, some characters get in trouble, but they are also facing threats they haven't before.
It literally didn't explain any plot for 18 hours, then gave you 2-4 hours of the final sequence of the game.
A character literally is confused about who all these people are... and we get no answers. I knew the past games and was disappointed not even to see a refresher to be nice. Not to mention the gameplay was the most simplistic at base.
Sora had fewer abilities then KH2 meaning he felt weaker, this was "remedied" by forms but in turn you'd spend fights feeling weak/slow only to become powerful for 30 seconds.
Meanwhile while visiting Disney worlds an rather common occurrence was "Use this power which completely stops Sora so the Disney plot can unfold the exact same way." going so far as even having the Electric Bad creating an Ice Dungeon.
I love Final Fantasy VIII! Laguna is a gigachad.
The Man with the Machine Gun, man I loved that battle theme!
so much cooler than squall. tho you could argue hes mostly cool because he only shows up so often and youre stuck with squall for the whole game
Suprised FFXV wasen’t on this list of most hated JRPGs.
@@jonahabenhaim1223 He never really played it. If I remember right in one of his older videos he said he dropped it super early on.
Love FFVIII as well, the romance didn't bother me. Triple Triad the goat!
The Final Fantasy XIII trilogy is soooo underrated it's actually infuriating. The hate mostly comes from the fact that back in 2010, many players wanted an open world FF game, but XIII is linear in its first half. Retrospectively, the three games are really good. XIII-2 especially was amazing, and it still has one of the best JRPG soundtracks of all time along with Persona 5.
I really hope SE releases a remaster of the trilogy so that people finally realize how good those games actually are.
BrandoSP convinced me to play FFXIII. I've got a long backlog but I'm going to get to it eventually.
I love FF13...I went into it with an open mind and actually had a great time with it! I have yet to play the the other titles in the trilogy but I WILL!!
Now that Star Ocean 5 is out, Star Ocean 4's suddenly not so bad now.
I’m the opposite I loved 5 and couldn’t get into 4 but to each their own
i think 4 and 5 are equally horseshit. Star Ocean 4 just had so extremely awful character designs, boring exploration in boring designed environments/planets and a really lame uninteresting story and Star Ocean 5 had at least a bit better character designs in my opinion but it was extremely low budget because the predecessor was such a commercial failure and so with the budget restrictions it had very little content and a lame story too
@@danhalo1405 I also hated the SO4 designs, exploration and story. It was very lacklustre but had some interesting elements (like the evolution of the Cardianon and Earth exploring planets) and wished they went further with that instead of a generic "save the universe from evil entity" plot line.
Wait for Star Ocean 6
I haven't played 5 but I just couldn't get into 4. I've tried a few times and each time I get a little bit further but to no avail. Til the end of time will always by the best Star Ocean title for me.
Honestly would be lovely a video about the best love stories in jrpgs as I am also a romantic myself!
xenogears would be number one! =)
Trails in the sky
Xenoblade 1, Tales of Graces F, and Valkiriya Chronicles 1 are great
Same here
This would interest me. Offhand, I can't think of any JRPG besides Star Ocean 2 I have played that had much of a love story. There is some romance in Final Fantasy X, but that is kept restricted and never blossoms.
I will die on the hill defending FF XIII. Yes, it's extremely linear, but that's refreshing in an age of open-world everything; and IMO it's the one RPG where everyone in your party seems to dislike each other at first, slowly changing over the course of the game so when the obligatory Power of Friendship Speech comes near the end, it actually feels deserved instead of trite.
Me and my wife met talking about 7 but we both fell in love with 8,9, and 10 also for their great romantic stories.
I was satisfied with the ending. Iike it felt right
Gotta agree. 13 was amazing. And i dont understand the issue with a linear rpg game. I often play rpg's 80% because of the story. Being linear allowed me to focus on the story and not, ah shit....where do k go...i gotta go pick up this pot, and this orange, and help this old guy out....OH! finally some story. 2 min later i have to do 36 more mundane tasks for a 2 min bit of story.
The story never grabbed me nor did the characters, but damn I enjoyed the battle system so much that the other points didn‘t even matter anymore
@@fairdeum4363 The story was mostly moot and aimless for over 50% of the game and much of the world and it's backstory was told through text entries though. I wouldn't have had an issue with it being so linear if there actually was a more engaging story.
In my eyes, there's a special place in hell for lunar dragon song. Taking damage from dashing....who thought that was a good idea?
I absolutely looooove the Hyperdimension Neptunia series! 😊😊❤️❤️❤️ One of my favorite Jrpg series. Especially part 3 Victory and VII and VIIR. They're cute and hilarious. True the very first one wasn't the best by no means but the main thing I do not like about them is all the TONS of dlc they have.
Honestly same
I'll say the very first iteration of Neptunia 1 was bad but I won't knock it as it was the very first in the series. Overall, the series has gotten better with each game after that but sure, you get tired of seeing the series get rebooted in the mainline series. I honestly love the series for its spinoffs and collabs.
I enjoy their parody nature
@@MikuruX No it isn't bad. It was solid. It was just rough around the edges. Now if you want bad, play games like Megatagmension and Victory. Also, no it has gotten progressively worse as a series. VII was where it peaked and never ever got anywhere close back to the top of the mountain.
i played couple of Neptunia games but only 1 can surely say i like it, 4 Goddess Online.
I like FFXIII, I love FFVIII and I will keep buying Hyper Dimension Neptunia. Have a great day everyone.
Honestly I see that spot as the first ps3 game. Its a fun story with trash game play and stock sound effects. How it got sequels I will never know but I am glad it did.
so you love garbage games, got it
@@travisfield9769 One man's trash is another man's treasure 😁👍
@@daleanguiano6780 true, very true
*Barf
I miss the Golden Sun series. I think they were ingenious and beautiful in their own way. The only thing I can hope for is a remaster...
I love quite a few of these: Star Ocean, FF XIII, Neptunia, Kingdom Hearts III, and FF X-2. Even so, I understand the criticism for each of these completely. I guess I feel lucky that I am able to enjoy a lot of games that people don't like at all lol
Same here, except I havent played Star Ocean and KH III
@@everettwatsonrazorearcwolf6553 Have you tried any of the KH titles?
I feel exactly the same, well said mate.
no it is not you man... this guy made a hated list and then got a comment section full of people who loved them... so it is obviously only his opinion
I was 11 years old when I got Final Fantasy VIII along with a Playstation One for my birthday.
It was the most beautiful game I had ever played.
This game got me into RPG's. I started collecting all Final Fantasy games and from there I became a collector of many more game/consoles.
It got me into my hobby and, for that, it will forever hold a special place in my heart.
same 😍😍😍😍
After actually playing (and Platting) the entire XIII trilogy, their' actually not as bad as their rap. For 13, the story *is* convoluted because it just dumps you in and doesn't fully explain everything until the end and the first *literal* 40 hours is a tutorial. Once that tutorial ends, the game feels fantastic.
Honestly Final Fantasy 8 is one of the best in the series. All it needs is some minor changes vastly improve the gameplay. 1 expand the Magic pages so you can have at least 1 of each spell(you can count the -ra and -raga under 1 slot not their own) 2 remove the junctioned spells from your cast list or don't make stat changes during combat 3 allow players to buy spells from merchants instead of just getting them from monsters or from random spots 4 expand the combat menu to always have Items (that was the biggest BS thing they did, lock the Item action behind junctioning). All these small changes would make a huge impact on the gameplay.
Also I will say that I really like the idea that all the side stuff in the Kingdom Hearts series actually matters in the overall plot. I however do think it could have be managed better. Kingdom Hearts 3 was disappointing because there was obvious pacing issues and difficulty of trying to piece everything together. It also had some of the worst levels designs of the series. Arendale was just a disappointment. I know that they made that level before or around the time Frozen was still in production but it was definitely poorly handled.
This guy pulled his list out of his ass. Half these games are some of the most defining RPG’s in the history of gaming. Go back to school bro
@@thehairysunoriginal No need to be salty bro.
5. Don't have the bosses level with you.
@@ltb1345 I actually like that mechanic and do think it works in this game because of the junction system. It makes the bosses and even regular enemies feel like actual challenges, particularly optional bosses, that you got to overcome instead of being able to overleveling them and make them absolute chumps. It does encourage you to not level up to make the game easier. I wouldn't be opposed to have it so you could turn off the level scaling and have traditional level zones, best of both options.
@@ltb1345 yeah you’re right, sorry. I just get emotional with my beloved RPG’s.
Adding FF X-2 as an honorable mention was uncalled for lol. That game...was a masterpiece and no one can change my mind.
Absolutely! It was actually the first and only game I played for 17 hours straight with only bathroom breaks as a kid. My favorites was 1000 Words and having the whole party dress spheres as berserker.
Agreed, FFX-2 was/is awesome and there's nothing anyone can do to change that fact.
Didn't it only have female PCs, to aim towards female players? Like, no thanks, worst idea ever.
@@PokeMaster22222 you're right about the only playable characters being female, but I feel when this game came out I was the target audience, an male in his late teens playing an rpg where he can choose the outfit for the sexy polygonal women on the screen... I used the berserker dress sphere quite a lot. Loin cloths 😏😏
@@tomfrost6049 Personally, due to childhood trauma, I absolutely despise violent girls (and thus, violent women), so any game with a majority-female party (or only one, female, PC) is inherently off-putting to me.
Games with an even ratio, like the Bravely Default series (as an example) are better, especially if I can set the girls to support instead of offense, but I much prefer games with male PCs, since I find it sooo much easier to immerse myself in his shoes.
So in my eyes, X-2's party decision is the absolute worst one they could've chosen.
...Oh, and yeah, I do love Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which does have a majority-female cast, and the most important characters are female...but the vast majority of that cast aren't frontline fighters (they're Blades, that support their Drivers from the rear, and only directly attack when using a Special), and three of the five main Drivers are male, so...it's all good in my book.
FF8 is incredible, I think a lot of people like it but the most vocal people love to shit on it. Unwarranted hatred of the Junction system which isnt nearly as bad or tedious as people make it out to be, nor do they seem to know about refining. Star Ocean 4 is really good too. A bit corny here and there but still a good game. Star Ocean games get so much hate, I love the series. Even SO5. People say it's just janky Tales, but I like Star Ocean a little more than Tales honestly. Love what ya love, who cares what the popular opinion is.
FF8 is amazing and I think people just don't like it because its the trend not to like it.
Yeah, I am a bit surprised still by how much people hate the systems in 8. I played it when I was still in high school, but I don't remember having any of the dramas or problems that people often bring up about it. Granted my knowledge of the Junction system was pretty shallow and simply enough to get me through the game. This was back when I got like 1 or 2 games a year, and it was a game I more than happily spent a lot of time on.
Or perhaps the reality is more in the middle?
FF8 is flawed, I think a lot of people like it or hate it due to the flaws which either make the game fun or miserable. The junction system is absolutely amazing when you abuse refine, but if you don't abuse it then fights become draw fests slowing down the game massively.
The reality is... the game is very hit or miss and being able to abuse the system to get Squall's Ultimate Weapon at the start should show this. It is either completely broken or completely dull.
This would've been fixed had the refine system first off been a proper part of the game and not a skill you might not unlock where it could be rewarding but also not game breaking. A way to replenish your 30 used magic when you go back to town while letting draw have use to prevent you from hitting a dead end in dungeons.
It being a service in town would've fixed almost every issue.
The junction systems is fine for gfs, but dumb for spells. It basically discourages the use of magic. Its the draw system that is deeply flawed and tedious
I don't like FF8 and it has nothing to do with junctioning, other than the fact it incentivizes spamming draws. Its one of those things you either don't understand.... or you do and it completely breaks the game. I've managed to have 7,000 HP on all characters by end of disc 1 and be totally invincible for the next two discs.
I found the characters to be very flat and one-note, and what RPG punishes you for leveling up?
In defense of Hironobu Sakaguchi, his last "Final Fantasy" where he had total command to show what he was made of, was Final Fantasy IX, and we all know what a jewel of a classic that one was. He had no real hand in the series from X onward, that is Kitase territory.
And love how you still keep the hate going for Time and Eternity. Why in hell did Imageepoch not focus on polishing the Last Ranker and Sol Trigger franchises, or at the very least port them properly (they are their best games after Arc Rise Fantasia and Stella Glow, imo) is beyond me. Oh well.
the last final fantasy game that sakaguchi directed was actually 5
I liked SO4! :-) Yeah, Lymle had a not-too-brilliant VA in English, but I really liked Laura Bailey as Reimi. :-)
She's Welch too and argues with herself, that's hilarious.
I had no idea who she even was until I started watching Critical Role and now I'm looking back at things and going "ah, she/he/they are in this as well"...
Lymle is supposed to be emotionless, but the VA could have used a bit better direction, yeah.
I finish almost every game I play, but I didn't finish SO4.The voice acting wasn't good, but that wasn't the reason why; the game was boring me
@@mistersomaru Exactly. She shut down her heart when she was attacked in the alternative dimension where she met her "doggy". It was to protect her sanity, and Cerberus/"Doggy" saved her life. As a result, she is stuck as a 6-year-old, even though she should be 16, nearly 17. Falling in love with Faize breaks her out of that, and as you can see in the final unlockable ending, she is behaving like a young woman, not a little girl.
I can see what the VA was going for doing the dub, but it is cringey. 'Kay?
Lunar 1 and Lunar 2 were very good, the true ending of 2 was a masterpiece that it made me cry. I really wanted a true sequel to this series.
I remember being super disappointed with Fire Emblem Fates because the story felt like it was written by a 12 year old trying to be edgy. It's a shame because the gameplay of Conquest felt super polished and the levels were a lot of fun; my favorite being the level where you play on two maps simultaneously. In the end, I think the writers were overwhelmed by 3 campaigns, and the mountain of support conversations. Luckily, they managed 3 houses better in the writing department.
In my eyes at least, all of the mainline Final Fantasy games are great; I think people's hatred of certain entries mainly comes down to personal preferences in the series based on how different the games are from one another, and for some, over resentment over how popular and successful the games are in comparison to some other game that they feel is better.
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@@Linux090695 FF X-2? If you’re talking about that game, no it isn’t that bad.
@@tekka7780 lol no XD , I was saying that I agree with his opinion.
You are 💯 this guy is clueless and his list is shit
I'm a big fan of ff8. It's certainly my fave ff on the ps1 and that's a hill I will happily die on
I'll die there with you brother : ) I feel like I could write a Master's Thesis on FFVIII as a game, and the skewed and misunderstood Western reaction to it, at this point, lol.
I loved FF8, and yes even the draw system. Got to a point where I was able to draw enough Ultima spells for junctions to mega buff my team
It was one of my most favorite final fantasy games as well. I loved the junction system for buffing my team, but when I discovered the non-leveling trick, the game became EVEN BETTER! To truly experience the game, you need to stay level 1 throughout most of the game until your GF's get the stat up skills, then you junction it to your character and level them individually to max out their stacks without magic junctioned. This was amazing for me and I suddenly realized this is why enemy level scaling mattered in the game, because it was designed for level 1 runs, it was designed for max stat runs, it was designed to have multiple playthroughs doing different things!
The draw thing made me hate FF8 until you had the option to play at faster speeds in the remaster. Made the game way more enjoyable
@@omegaweapon116 last time I played it was like 2000. I bet it'd be even better with a speed up function
Amen
exactly bro... no idea what this guy is even smoking
Final Fantasy VIII and Star Ocean 4 are my favorites in the series. I actually liked XIII and its sequels.
PREACH I LOVE VIII AND XIII
Star Ocean the Last Hope was the best star ocean for me.
Till the End of Time for me !
The Neptunia games are very fun, imo. Very addicting combat and stupid stories.
Yeah, and they are also deliberately niche titles. It's so shallow and, to me, just plain dumb, all the people who love to hate on anything with a moe aesthetic, or a little girl character having a high-pitched voice (this is almost universally a problem with the English dubbing; the Japanese VA for those characters always sound good to me.. it's just hilarious how many people just overtly hate a little girl character for even existing... like seriously grow up), or just being too Japanese in general... it's such a narrow, uninformed perspective. There is so, so much "good trash" about macho tough guys that goes completely unremarked on, but anything moe, eveyone has to make this big public display of denouncing. It would be hilarious if it weren't so depressing.
I actually only like zesteria because of berseria but without it I wouldn’t and I’m actually a fan of 13 the combat was interesting
I enjoyed Final fantasy 13. I hate FF12 I actually sold it last week
I kinda agree, berseria was a top tier game, I still believe it deserved more popularity than it got, the story and characters in Berseria were amazingly deep and interesting. Sorry but sorey was boring AF, I really did like Rose though.
Ff13 grew on me.
Buen video, ya tenía tiempo que no pasaba por el canal. El lado positivo es qué hay material para estos días. Saludos!
Unironically really like Zestiria, one of the better Tales games imo. Yes, I said it.
same for me
Zestiria is really fun (o w o
I like the combat system a lot
I agree! It was my first Tales-games I ever got for my PS3 and it's not as bad as people put it and Alisha has a story DLC if you want more of her.
I don't quite understand the complaints about its combat system, it was actually fun when you actually put in a little of your time to learn how it works
Played it 4 times in a row, no joke. But it had extremely big shoes to fill after Xillia 2 (My favourite Tales game of all time) and with that, it failed, for me
I got into RPGs with the FF series. Started with 7,8,9, Tactics. Loved them. Became a diehard FF fan. Really enjoyed 10 and 12. Played 13 and couldn’t even finish the game, I despised it so much. Everything from the characters combat system and story. I can’t honestly think of one thing I liked about it. Played 15 years later. It was kinda meh to me. Pretty bummed with the direction the franchise has gone.
I honestly thought 13 was decent but flawed... And 13-2 did fix a lot of the mechanics from 13 (but still was a sequel no one expected). Lightning Returns was just a big "Just stop embarrassing yourself already" type of thing with how much the series was drawn out.
Also, I will never understand how people hate Vanille or Hope more than Snow. I actually like Vanille, but she was flawed. Hope seemed pointless to the story as a whole... and Snow actually made me mad. Snow is in my eyes, one of the worst video game characters, let alone the worst in all of Final Fantasy. That whole "Hooray Patrick! We saved the world!" meme could have been used for Snow given what happens in just chapter 1... That's just.... wow...
And as one last side note, videos that showed off the beta battle system when FF13 first got announced? That's the same battle system they used for Lightning Returns. They just reworked it.
The Last Hope was one of Matt Mercer's earliest roles. Now, he's a voice acting god and hosts the largest show on Twitch.
I actually enjoyed Tales of Zestiria. The music was Amazing and the battle mechanics clicked with me by mid game, mainning Lailah will make combat amazing. Some of the cast were bland but others were amazing, I prefer Lailah or Edna and Zaveid over the main character Sorey. Probably because I managed to predict Sorey's Character's arc early on due to the "tropey" story, while the other characters motives and fate was shrouded in mystery, especially Zaveid.
I liked FFVIII when it came out for what it tried to do, but as time passed the flaws showed more and more. I'd really like to see another RPG done with the concept with tighter mechanics though. Apparently one of the ideas for the game when it was in early development was to eliminate spell levels and instead have a spell's power determined by how much MP you pump into it when casting. I can see how that would be easy to abuse, but so is Junctioning.
“Haters don’t like a certain aspect so theyre copeing”
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My biggest gripe with Kingdom Hearts is that there were no final fantasy characters in it, which was a significant part if the other games.
PS, how did Final Fantasy XV not make this list?
I've played my fair share of Tales games, and I'd just like to say that Zestiria really doesn't deserve the hate. I love it, even more than Berseria.
Honestly I think Berseria(sp?) Is probably the worst of the tales of games I've played. I don't hate it, but its my least favorite.
The reason that the zestiria It's hated because it was Disappoint, because everyone hopes it would be better than xillas
After Xillia 1 and 2, Zesteria had BIG shoes to fill (Xillia 2 is not only my favourite Tales game, but also one of my most favourite games of all time) and it failed, for me at least, but that didn't stop me to play through the game 4 times in a row. Still, i think it is one of the worst Tales games we got... right after Berseria. THAT game i didn't even finish
@@banedeath if you play older tales games there are much worse like Tempest and Legendia, honestly Zestiria is hated because it doesn"t live up to the expectation on high end gen console
@@exceedaccel5019 i haven't played either of those personally. Didn't have the means to so I can't really comment on them.
How about "Top Ten Most Impractical Weapons in a JRPG".
Thats a good one.
I just couldn't get past the Disney elements in the Kingdom Hearts series. An RPG with Mickey and Goofy was just too much for me. Though I do understand why a lot of people enjoy it.
Same. It didn't help that the only Disney I was familiar with and liked were things like Robin Hood and Sword in the Stone, and I guess also the classics from the old days, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, but those I had just watched once as a little kid, I didn't like them like I liked Robin Hood... The whole 90's period I still haven't seen most of, and just don't have interest... like the only thing I know is in the games that I actually like a lot is Nightmare Before Christmas. But yeah, the entire concept seemed utterly pointless to me... and I'm pretty sure that to a large extent the fanbase of the series is mainly female. I am also still just bitter in general about how Nomura was then, and continues to be treated like a king by upper management, at the same time as they were fucking over Yasumi Matsuno's vision for 12 so hard that he quit the company before it was finished, and the plot is a shadow of what it would have been if he had simply been given the same free hand Nomura was.... like all the shit Nomura put the company through with the XIII games, vsXIII, turning that into FFXV, which took forever to make directly because of how incompetent Nomura is, to the extent they brought in a co-director to get the damn thing done. Can you imagine what could have been if Matsuno had been given that kind of treatment while making XII? Still pisses me off. Like, is it because he has some personal ownership over the VII characters? That's the only thing that makes sense unless he is literally blowing the upper management every morning.
@@jedgrahek1426 I think SE forced vsXIII to become FFXV.
Depending upon who you are, but I personally think there is a specific aspect of jrpgs we did not appreciate as much like we do now. Rpgs in general were looked at as sort of these fun adventures with awesome stories and every time pretty FMVS come on screen we would go nuts over them. But there is a artistic representation of rpgs that I think we could not really capture when we were children. It was until we got older that we realized every tiny little detail in all of the 2d landscapes and interior designs of the world which added an immersion to the experience. Well FF VIII was looked at as sort of the black sheep of the FF series, looking back at it now, its far greater then what we initially percieved as kids. The world is gorgious with some of the most breathtaking environments and the game has some of the best music tracks that fits the theme and mood of the story and location you are in. The story is well structured with enough turns and twists to keep you satisfyed if you understand it. It was all around a great game.
Interesting. I’ve never heard that take before. Personally, XIII is my least favorite entry in the series, but I can understand why many people like it. I’ve noticed it’s usually people who came into the series later who like it, and that makes perfect sense. My first FF was VI, and I mostly lost interest in the series after X came out because it felt like a completely different experience from all the previous titles I had played, and I wasn’t a fan. XII bored me but I didn’t hate it. I just remember very little from XII. XIII convinced me that my time with FF was over, and I’ve never played another mainline entry since.
@@alrightsquinky7798 The FF series sort of lost alot of its DNA components for sure after FF X. FF XII was actually introduced to be one of the best written and ambitious projects and headed by Final Fantasy Tactics director Yasumi Matsuno who was responsible for FF tactics series and Vagrant story and director Hiroyuki Ito who had vast experience on the entirety of the FF franchise but alas, he bailed out very quickly and only the first introductory concept of the story was established by him, the rest was concieved by the new director consisting of Hiroshi Minagawa, while Akitoshi Kawazu of SaGa series fame became the game's executive producer.
His record for Final Fantasy series was pretty much just the spin off like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles and the FF legend series way back on the gameboy, but outside of that, he did not have near the acccreditation that Matsuno had. Coincidentally, creator of the FF series Hironobu Sakaguchi at the time refused to play past the opening act of the games story. He was pretty dissapointed by Matsuno's departure. Which is prob why the intro of the story is well executed and amazing lol, its just to be bad anything beyond that is pretty average.
I’m really surprised Chrono Cross didn’t make the list somewhere. I love the game very dearly, but it gets an absurd unreasonable amount of hate even to this day. Fantastic list though!
It's his absolute favorite game
I don't hate it, but it got lots of 9.5/10 type scores, and it just didn't deserve that. If they cut out the pointless characters (about 35 out of the 45 party members) and had more than 10 dual/triple techs, it would be better. Lots of people don't like the fact they spent about 15 minutes making it a sequel, when it was clearly anything but.
Tales of Zestiria is my first Tales game, currently playing it, and I went straight for hard mode lol. About halfway through and I actually find it fun and charming. I guess I'm going to love the rest of the series if they're that much better.
Played most tales games myself and each game has is sort of set in their own universe (with a few exceptions) with some distinct differences but all share the same core dynamic, the interactions between the party members is the strongest selling point imo, to me Zesteria was the weakest entry in the series but it's still a quality entry in its own right... after you have finished up with Zesteria i would suggest Tales of Berseria as that also takes place in the same "universe" as Zesteria. Vesperia is probably my personal favourite though.
Tales of the Abyss is awesome. If you got the time try it. (after Berseria like kyro suggested. That one is set in the same universe so might as well)
Iirc, the "top 5 favorite" (in "no particular order majority vote" by the people i know, including their rose tinted nostalgia glasses) is Abyss, Symphonia, Vesperia, Xillia 1 or 2... or both (i really don't know) and Graces f are the best.
Personally, I think Abyss is number 1 because... everything. Story, characters (even the slimy villains), gameplay are all great. In fact, the gameplay is my favorite amongst all the Tales game. I wish they'd go back to that.
I'm kind of limited to what's on PS4 atm, but I have Vesperia and Berseria; looking forward to playing both of those.
Zestiria isn't a bad game i'd say, although in my opinion it overstays it's welcome a bit and there's to much pointless running around in the later parts, but it's main problem is that it is in the Tales of series. A bad game in a series of bad games wouldn't stand out. A good game in a series of great games would.
Berseria is MILES better than zestiria!
Thanks for the content Erick, 10/10 video as always! And I know how hard it would be for you for little reward but that won't stop me from forever hoping we get another bloopers vid out of our guy ELRPG!
Dude I’m shocked that you didn’t include Xenosaga: Episode II. It almost single-handedly TORPEDOED the entire franchise in many peoples’ opinions.
to me the third was worst ,the game mechanics were so simple that you can see the desire to end the story because it needs and end and i hate the ending
@@carlosfer3533 I personally loved the third one, the Gameplay may be simple but that make the battles fast paced and the dungeons are more fun.
I'd throw Legend of Legaia 2 on there. The first game was fun, the combat was a bit like Xenogears in that different attacks could be chained together. 2 was just...well, it's like the main goal was to kill the series and boy did they succeed. That's the only way I can describe just how the devs could've botched it the way they did.
Unlimited Saga had one of the most confusing and convoluted turn base mechanics I ever witnessed as a kid and as an adult lol
I got the game for $20 brand new near launch. The game came out, no one bought it and Gamestop was desperate to move stock. After playing it for a bit, I realized why I should've been suspicious why it was discounted so quickly. The game is a mess. It plays more like Candy Land than any JRPG. Everything is just random, the game might as well play itself. It's like the director of Unlimited Saga had trouble making decisions and figured "you know what people hate in RPGs? Choice. Lets just make every action random. That'll be fun, right?" And everyone just sarcastically responded "Yeah, that sounds great." but it just flew over their head and now the game is hardly remembered, even among Saga Series fans.
@@felman87 The fact that it is random, but also slow paced to boot is just bad. Story is non existent and hard to follow for characters.
Nomura didn´t write Kingdom Hearts, he just directed the games, you just need to investigate a little to know that.
Kinda half true because he created the main plot and the other writers filled out how it would play.
As a Tales of Symphonia 2 defender Tales of Zesteria broke me on the franchise, the combat was that bad.
And FE Fates is dumb but the bad localization is what makes it truly a bad game.
As for FF13, It’s OK, I’ve started to appreciate it knowing what the studio must have gone through. That transition from ps2 ~> ps3 was rough on many Japanese franchises.
I actually became a Tales fan because of Symphonia 2. Its combat was simplistic but enjoyable. Zestiria though was just unpleasant to play. I'm relieved it didn't completely derail the franchise like many other other black sheep games did.
Nah bro IMO the worst part of FE fates was the god awful rng system that was used
Agreed for Symphonia 2 and Zestiria. I have a special fondness for Symphonia 2 as it was one of my first Tales games alongside Abyss, and even then, I still enjoy it a fair bit. But I can't help but dislike Zestiria every time I look at it.
The Hyperdimesion Neptunia series is actually a guilty pleasure of mine. I like the series..sure it has some face palming moments but it's a game focuses on memes and comedy..and fan service. It's to be expected. A game that is similar to Hyperdimesion Neptunia but has a deeper story is Fairy Fencer F, a great game and deserves a play.
Fairy Fencer F, good stuff
Despite it's flaws, I always loved Super Hydlide. It has some of the most memorable music on the Genesis, and an interesting story
I LOVE Kingdom Hearts 3. The gameplay is amazing, I grew up with Kingdom Hearts. When it came out I nearly cried (and I was 21 at that time.)
I'm jealous, when KH3 came out i hated it and I was raised on KH. Played the first one when i was 7, but didnt find any enthusiasm for 3. Honestly bummed about it
@@TehThespian ouch thats sad :(
FF13, i liked it when it opened up and then doing everything for 100%, I also really liked part 2. I haven't finished part 3 yet, dunno if I ever will
The open world part of ff13 actually felt like FF. The game was also insanely gorgeous
Also lightning returns is one of best games of 13 series
For KH3, look the story is what it is, a mess but the game and the whole series is awesome. They story makes it easy to forget what we loved about it in the 1st place, a really fun crossover! My only real issue in 3 was the removal of FF characters
I completely ignore the story of KH as a whole. The gameplay is what has kept me coming back over and over.
@@therapyquantified987 I love action RPGs and the keyblade system is a blast
They appear in the DLC. Also, the base game still has some cameos, and Moogle is still running the shop.
I think I'm one of the few people who loves Zestirua. Hell, I've been playing the Tales games since rhe first one on the Snes. And Zestiria is on my top 5. Not the first spots, of course, but it's there.
If they had treated it and Berseria properly, ergo started with a clear begining and end while having sense of how the world ought to work then it would have been better. As it stands right now i am questioning how the world did not end.
I like zestiria too, even more so playing it a second time after berseria. My biggest complaint with it though is the battle stage settingsn especially in tight spacea where walls can block or obstruct your view, its super annoying. But i enjoyed the story and characters
Other than that utterly ridiculous plot twist, it was pretty good
I think Zesteria is just fine, I like it more than most tales games. It definitely isn't "the best" but it is not the worst or even bottom half in my opinion.
@@DKarkarov agreed, the worst in my opinion is symphonia 2. Everything about it is terrible
People who hate games like Hyperdimension Neptunia hate them just because they're gatekeepers. Neptunia doesn't take itself seriously and has a ton fanservice and that's ok, not every jrpg needs to be a philosophical and mature game, sometimes you just want to relax and have fun playing those kinds of games
not really? it depends... I like the hyperdimension series alot, heck i even watched the, rather terrible, anime a long while back. The games are fun and have some really cool and funny moments, but could definitly use a lot more story, environment variety, enemy variety and so on.
a good example is fighting Arfy 4 times (3 times if you don't include her big form) and big dad 3 times in Victory....
The dlc is rather lame in alot of the games aswell.
I think what people need to realize is that you can have a fun light hearted game with actual good writing and serious moments here and there.
I love the games and know they could be WAY better than they are now.
I like the idea of them I just get bogged down in the game play mechanics…not a hater hater…just not my bag…
Depends with Fe fates, Conquest gameplay wise is such an incredible Fe game. Birthright just feels too easy, but that makes it a great entry point game for new players. Revelations I don't like to talk about. Conquest is genuinely solid tho
You forgot another honourable mention, one that you like. I still havent tried it, still planning on it, backlog. Valkyria revolution
Should i grab the copy of my brother to try it?
He said me he was horrible but…
I don’t know.
Should i ask his copy to try?
@@ricardohernandezr5765 i havent played it. So dunno. But I suspect alot of the hate was misdirected because we didnt get chronicle 3, and waited so long for a sequel, and people got a surprise spinoff instead.
I remember trying to play Lunar DS on the bus on my way to school, only to have my party flee from every battle. Turns out blowing into the mic causes the party to flee and the background noise of the bus was enough to trigger it. A handheld game that is unplayable in public places...
Despite all the probelms that Zesteria had, it is actually my third favorite Tales game (out of nine I've played). I really enjoy the fusion mechanic. And yes, I agree it has some problems with it (such as that if Rose' or Sorey dies then you are pretty much fucked), I love the idea as a whole.
what is your 1st and 2nd favorite then ?
@@hakimhomecent1619 tales of the abyss and tales of eternia obviously
regarding Kingdom Hearts 3's hate part of it was there was NO WAY IN HELL it was ever going to live up to ALL the hype it had
I really, really enjoyed the Hyperdimension Neptunia game that I played. Then again, full disclosure, I am a shallow and somewhat dense person so take my opinion for what it's worth.
Lightning Returns is great, except the convoluted time mechanics, but you can manage with a guide for the quests and by the end of the game there is a skill that almosts keep the time stoped.
Fire Emblem Fates actually has pretty damn-good gameplay, I have to say, what with adding bows and magic (and the new shuriken/daggers) to the weapon triangle, and interesting new Skills like Replicate, along with the Partner Seal and Friendship Seal mechanics, and not "resetting" a character's level when changing class like Awakening did (so if the character's already over Lv. 15, they'll get their class's Skills over the next few levels, instead of having to reach 5 and 15 every single time).
I actually like Fates more than Three Houses, since Fates doesn't have needlessly-strict restrictions like the calendar or Activity Points, and has very few gender-locked classes (even the usually female-only Pegasus Knight line was renamed to "Sky Knight" and made accessible to guys), which 3H unfortunately, and idiotically, reverted.
Fates is just far more open than 3H, which is what I find fun.
Saying that, though, yeah...Fates' stories aren't exactly the best, they didn't need to essentially bring back Tharja as Rhajat, Peri is a psychotic abomination who should've been executed long before she could ever hope to become Xander's retainer, and the stat drops tied to Silver weapons and stuff is utterly dumb, and the children units had no real reason to exist other than to bring back this system from Awakening, and there's no Apotheosis map to bother min-maxing for. Oh, and when the 3DS eShop inevitably shuts down most of this game's content will become inaccessible, so that sucks.
i would like to say i prefer things to be limited. In fact I find being able to change your units to any class to be less fun due to things like all wyverns in 3houses. In older games you get certain units and have to deal with what you have available. Theory crafting how you want to design your army can be fun, but i do love being told you just have these units and this objective get the job done.
When you have to make choice of when where or how to use your resources. I'll condemn 3 houses for the fishing game implemented the way it is. i don't think the limitations on time is a problem in itself. Take for instance the persona games since 3. They are interesting partly due to time management. 3 houses does a decent job with its first foray into time and resource management, but would like to see it expanded.
@@Fleatingdays That whole "3H = Persona" thing is something I'll never understand, since in Persona you get to play on every single in-game day, whilst in 3H it's only Sundays, with Mondays being lectures and the rest of the week auto-skipped (so they might as well not exist).
Why can't I at the very least explore the Monastery on Tues-Fri? Or have Seminars on those days? Complete waste of potential.
As for "I don't like a full party of Wyvern Lords"...yeah, I agree, 3H's Certification Exams do kinda make all units blend together since (outside of those utterly stupid gender-restricted classes) all classes are available to all students, whereas the characters in Awakening and Fates had their own list of accessible classes.
I just like how there's nowhere near as many gender-restricted classes in Fates.
I thought that Victory and V2 were considered mechanical improvements for the Neptunia series?
However, the series sense of humor will always be a love or hate it affair for many.
Xiii-2 was really enjoyable imo, the level design, story and even the music was an improvement compare to the first, i tried to enjoy Lightning Returns as well but the time limit aspect killed it for me.
I really liked XIII-2 as well, and Lightning Returns was a big "wut?" for me. The time limit wasn't as bad as it initially seems since you get a spell to stop the clock... powered by your quest to drive every animal into extinction (wut?), so while you freak out about it early game, by the end you're wondering how long you really want to drag out each day. The story though... whew, this is not where I wanted to leave these characters.
I can only imagine the stupidity behind even considering the idea of a "pure hearted *assassin"*
I still love FFXIII! Music was different, soothing by times, rocking other times. Loved it. Graphic-wise, it was great, colorful. I liked the story.
Breath of fire 1-4 are among my favorites. I hate how they killed the series because they were set up so well with 4 and then murdered it with dragon quarter. A true shame
FF8 is one of the most loved FFs actually. This is just something that people like to put on YT lists.
I won't say that I hate Kingdom Hearts but I was 26 when it came out, which means I have waited half of my life for that game to come out. Once I finished it my first thought was " I've waited that long, just for that..."
Kingdom Hearts 2 is the best of the series. BBS comes after that in my opinion.
I find the Neptuina games fun. I have many of them Platinumed on both PS3 and Vita.
I find the characters to be quirky, not so much bad.
FYI, it says Tales of Symphonia not Zesteria on the timeline.
Enjoying your videos!
Final Fantasy 8 is my favorite FF.
Hey, really enjoying your channel, especially the Top-10 Lists. Would love to see captions of the Game's Titles, though, if you have never heard of them, sometimes it's kinda hard for me to grasp the exact wording. Thanks, and keep up the good work.
I loved Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy 8 both are great games!
I’m not gonna lie; one of my favorite series of videos I watched on RUclips was a compilation of videos called “Let’s Hate Final Fantasy VIII.” It was dedicated to hating on the game’s broken mechanics and cheese-filled dialogue. I had a good laugh!
But to be clear I actually LOVE Final Fantasy VIII!! It holds a true nostalgia value for me and has one of the best soundtracks in the series! Ppl still love it too as evidenced when so many complained that the FF Compilation released a few years ago initially didn’t include it.
No love/hate relationship with it I genuinely love it. But I also love it when people make fun of it.
You should check out spoony's (Noah Antwiler) reviews of ff7, 8 and 10 :D They are all masterpieces :P
Well then. I'm just going to ignore the last bit, and tune the world out in Mystic Quest's opening area in my quest to grind to max level.
The funny thing about Zestiria is that I'm quite the opposite. I don't care for the story or characters (and also, equally critically, the dungeons and towns feel incredibly hollow and repetitive for Tales). But the combat is my favorite in the series, outside of some BS it pulls in the final battle. Had an absolute blast mastering it on Moderate.
Zestiria was a case of great gameplay and mcs. The problem was poor story, side characters, and villains.
And 30fps
That gameplay sucked too lmao
I say it was a porly conceived idea!!! A world where evil just bottles up is insanse, the villain being an asshole who was cursed as a punishment by an idiot with immortality. That kind of a worlr is begging to be destroyed, where is Beerus when you need him?
Isn't that most of the Tales series having the same problem?
those big ass empty fields were really boring.
hey guys just out of the topic question... just purchased a physical copy of a ps4 game with a dlc code on it ..however my main acct is region 3 and the code region is 2 ..i created a US account and succesfully downloade the code my question is am i able to get the dlc items i downloaded in Reg 2 by switching user to my main acct which is reg 3 or will the dlc items only be available on the reg where i downloaded it.. thanks
10 - FFVIII - I loved it, never got the hate
9 - Star Ocean 4 - one of my favorite SOs, also never understood the hate
8 - Kingdom Hearts 3 - could never get past KH 1, I just found it boring
7 - Tales of Zestiria - I enjoyed the battle system a lot actually as well as the equipment levelling system, but hated everything else, especially Sora and Mikleo-
6 - Hyperdimension Neptunia - Always wanted to try them but never got around to it. The meta-story seems interesting to me, and I like the anime character designs...
5 - Fire Emblem Fates - fine I guess. I prefer the older entries... I did despise the choice they made to sell the ending as a separate game. Wish I had bought the combined package though, which now sells for hundreds of dollars...
4 - Lunar Dragon Song - I adore the Lunar series, I have the original collector's edition games signed by Vic Ireland (president of Working Designs). However I never tried Dragon Song. Never even heard of it actually.
3 - Hydlide - no idea, I would have guessed this was an old arcade game like Joust
2 - Breath of Fire 6 - Can't Say I tried it either... Love lots of the other BoF games though
1 - FFXIII - Ever since FFX, I usually don't enjoy the game when I play it, but then over tiem I realize I want to play it again. Happened to me with 10, 12, and 13. Now I look back at the battle system and think I might really love this game.
Thank you, I absolutely hate FF8 and no idea why it's so popular. There are so many bad systems, characters were awful, story was bad and draw was also stupid.
FF8 and 13 among of my favorites in the series and i love Zestiria (i can't explain why, the overall atmosphere i guess). Don't really understand the hatred of Star ocean 4 nor KH 3. Who are these people hating on these games? I can see room for critisism of some aspects of these games, but hatered? weird people. Especially ff8, how mad can you be to hate this masterpiece?
I miss old RUclips when all channels had epic intro music like this.
I played FF8 last year, it was such a disappointment for me. I personally liked the romance, I actually think it was the game’s strongest point. But around the final quarter in the game the drop in quality was disastrous. The plot became an absolute mess. And even tho I’m not a fan of the ATB system, no game pissed me off with its system like FF8
Also, Zesteria and FF13 (the first one) may have their faults, but they’re still good games. I enjoyed them both a lot.
Worst thing about FF8 is draw grinding.
I thought it was one of the most fun FFs 🤷🏻♂️ Gameplay wise at least. Incredible soundtrack too. Couldn't care less for "messy plot" but that's cause for me combat and music are what games are all about. The one I can't stand is FF12, it's so tedious and boring.
@@Walamonga1313 lol I actually loved 12 A LOT. Its gameplay and exploration were so addictive that I didn’t pay much attention to the story. Characters were mostly shit tho
There is a guy named Spoony who back in the day made a review of FF10. He can be a little over the top and dramatic, and he lambastes the game on all levels. Except the romance lol, I think the only issue he had there was that Quistis made way more sense for romance.
@@DKarkarov you mean 8? Imma check him out
One of the most memorable games that I remember enjoying on ps2 (but everyone else HATED) was Legaia 2.
I just have such fond memories of sitting around that fire cooking and chatting with the characters it was brilliant and certainly not worth the hate it got.
Question: did you play the first Legaia game?
@@PissedGrunty unfortunately I didn’t
@@DipsyMum29 The battle mechanic of 4 directions to make combos was the same, but the first game also had a rather unique magic system when you had to absorb enemies into yourself and them summon them as magic. And because these enemies only appear in areas blighted by the mist, erasing the mist, a key objective, could make it so you miss out on spells if you rush through the dungeons.
Admittedly Legaia 1 wasn't a masterpiece by any stretch, but it had a charm to it that the sequel lacked., at least in my opinion.
I wouldn't put Final Fantasy 8 on the list, despite not being a fan of the game.
It's controversial for sure, but the majority of the people who played it like the game.
Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 13 and Final Fantasy 15 are more "hated" than Final Fantasy 8.
I think it'd be more accurate to narrow down the Neptunia entry to Neptunia Reverse. After Megadimension and Super Nepunia RPG were considered the best games in the series and Cyberdimension being praised for its ambition, fans were eager a continuation to mega. Instead, Reverse was announced as a "super remake" (whatever that means) of Re;Birth 1. Fans were extremely disappointed, given it's the most ported of all Neptunia games. As for what was new, there was a fishing minigame (which was also used to test out the PS5 controller's functions), puddles were added to open dungeons, an arrange mode "for experienced players" (Read: literally just regular story mode but with every character available at all times). Fan disappointment became frustration when it turned out none of the dialogue had changed in the slightest, including explicitly calling the game Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1.
I liked everything about FF8 except the damn draw system and stat building.
I never used the vast majority of my Magick because it would reduce my stats... I like the draw system, I thought it was unique and a way for everyone to use Magick no matter what. The idea was pretty cool.
So basically the entire system ;-)
@banedeath One of the things I have appreciated about FF is that its willing to trying out new ideas, when so many other RPGs or just other games in general just keep doing the same thing until it stops selling. Sometimes, it fails, like FF8
Every classic JRPG series that is revived as a trash mobile-only game like Breath of Fire “6” deserves all the hate it can get
... Kingdom hearts 3 definitely isn't hated. 8.0 out of 10 fan score and a 83 metacritic score but yeah it's "hated".
Hola Erick, me gustó mucho tu vídeo. Me preguntaba si podrías y querrías hacer videos con tips sin spoilers de cómo jugar alguno de tus RPGs favoritos. Saludos y sigue con tu buen trabajo.
Mate you are a legend, you are a true jrpg king but I've noticed you love strategy type games most. Which are great but I prefer traditional turn based rpgs, Final fantasy and dragon. Quest. Obv ff lost it self after 10 but square are coming back. I've also heard you haven't played many dqs, go back and play them all, they are all very similar but are worth the play. Also Chrono cross is quality but nothing will beat ff 4-10, suikoden 1-2-3-5. I haven't finished 5 though. Thank you for your videos ❤️ Zoltans tunes are excellent also.
FF has rarely been traditional turn-based.
Zesteria in my top 3 tales of games . It was pretty shocking to see people hate it so much on the internet lol
It was the battle system and the convoluted weapon / normin rubbish that made people despise the game. When your usual party of 4 is pretty much too weak individually and you have to consolidate to 2 which limits your options.. it just didn't feel right... and the fact that your partner character could cycle through the links quickly and get everyone killed in short order also left problems. The only reason I like Zesteria now is for Zaveid honestly and Mikleo... Berseria was the redemption for that setting.
Zesteria had 1 of the worst final bosses. You actually had to grind just to put out the damage.
I didn't like the way Zestiria handled the levelling and weapon skill system either but if you actually played the game on the hardest difficulty from the start, you didn't need to grind to beat the last boss, character levels actually made little difference in this game, it was having the right weapon skills that mattered. I'd assume that people that struggled with the final boss did so because they only upped the difficulty at the end to get the trophy for beating the last boss on the hardest difficulty. Playing the entire game on the hardest difficulty or at least in bursts when you could would give you much better skills dropped on equipment and made you stronger more so than levelling ever would. The most annoying thing about this game was the god awful camera angles at times which could cause you to get cheap shotted when you couldn't even see your own character, nevermind the enemy.
@@tombrooke1281 what was your level by the end?
I've no idea now, I played the game years ago when it first came out, but I'm the sort of player that doesn't rush through a game and explores everything before I move on, I do remember the last boss however and remember it defeating my party the first go at it. The next time I changed the order I rotated the spirits in and was successful, however I did play the entire second run on the hardest mode, never had to grind up to beat the last boss. I do remember how insignificant levelling characters was though, weapon skill effects were far more important.
@@tombrooke1281 Cause I play on hardest. I was lvl 52. My cousin said i was under lvled. But I also assumed the boss would be more like my skill alone can beat it. Like a Kingdom hearts game, beat that lvl 1 run cause I was in control. That breaking the shield thing was the only thing that was messing me up.
Honestly Zestiria had all the workings for a great game. It just had some awful growth mechanics with the worst weapon/skill system I've ever played. Story and characters were really solid. Camera didn't bother me as much as it did for others.
Heldalf is one of the worst Tales villains, imo, though I'd still say he's better than Arise's main villain.
@@War624 arise is great final boss people love it ❤️
@@aqua6887 I don't see why they would. The first half of the fight is easy as hell. Then the second half with the two of them in their super forms is just nonsense. There's no challenge when you can just infinitely spam artes, and take no damage. You can't lose in the second half at all. They might as well have made that a qte sequence.
@@War624 because you use dlc or cheat engine 🤣 that way is super easy 😂
@@aqua6887 Uh no. I played on Moderate and was in the low 60s when I finished the game. It wasn't a challenge.
Tbh I loved FFXIII more than FFXII... 😅
I dislike them both but I dislike 12 more.
I thought integrity and faithlessness was the SO everyone hated.
Pretty sure it is both lol.
That’s why my comment in the video says it’s closer to controversial than hated. So5 IS hated though.
I remember playing the neptunia series back in its hayday and thinking the games were awesome rpgs that deserve to be next to games like final fantasy and the tales of series. man was i stupid. looking back. as quirky as the characters were, their characters got flanderized when the series managed to survived past 5 years. it only got worse when idea factory and compile heart decided to just port their assets to new games and do nothing else beyond just writing another nonsensual story. and they're doing it again for the series' first ps5 game, which is a port of a port of an 8 year old vita game.
i'll be honest, the concept of playing personalized then-current consoles was pretty clever. but unfortunately that didn't last since after the 3rd game, it just became memes, shitpost and ecchi moe crap.
I was very surprised that Mystic Quest Legend was honorable mentioned. What could've people hated about that game?... 🤔
Easy and overly simple. The music is great, too.
@@m.m.2341 Exactly. The music sticks in my ears even today.