So succinctly put.. the old name for a teacher was 'master'... one who completed his journey-manship... to become a master... Rupert is such a master to this soul.
Great video! I resonate very much. I believe that my interpretation of reality is just that, an interpretation. Everything that exists simply is, what it is to me however, is made up in the mind.
I've been reading and listening to Rupert for about a month now, and I always felt like if a subtle part of his teachings were eluding me. This video suddenly brought everything together for me.
That 'exploration' Rupert suggests is experiential in the form of a contemplative approach. He has said elsewhere that meditation was an approach he felt inferior to direct self inquiry. Rupert tried meditation first (for 20 years), then moved to contemplation of experience (e.g. self inquiry as in 'see who is aware of being aware'), where he obtained much faster results. However, there's no barrier to using both approaches in your daily sadhana. Self inquiry is just one type or way offered by the contemplative approach; similarly, there are many styles of meditation...both East and West.
Joe Dowd i remember many years ago i was on retreat, doing 4-5 hours of meditation a day. For some reason after a 'meditation' session i decided to really ask myself where and what i am, This lead to direct realization. The meditation i was doing wasn't really a form of concentration.. or repetition of a mantra, it was merely a practice of letting everything be as it is. I'm not sure how related self inquiry is to meditation, i think perhaps meditation lead to a kind of subtle stillness where inquiry could be very effective. it's also possible that one could do years upon years of meditation and never really realize truth. Therfore, I'd say the desire to know the truth is primary. In me that desire got to a high point of intensity, only dissipating after seeing through the seeking process itself. Yet, paradoxically the intensity of desire was needed to realize desirelessness haha
michael mcclure As N. Maharaj has said, "when effort is needed, effort will happen and when effortlessness is needed it too will occur". Rupert is a pleasure to listen to regardless of how anyone might nuance this topic. 🙏
***** yes, something like that. When its clear no effort is needed to be what one already is and that seeking itself tends to obscure the pristine truth. Hard to take it seriously then haha. Lots happened afterwards but the searching wasn't really there, at least not in the same way. Rupert articulates things very well, i agree.
I also feel that the goal of all sadhnas is to dissolve the sadhak and self enquiry is that last nail( final Sadhna) in the coffin of the separate self. but it isn't necessary to go through other paths to arrive at the direct path. If this is the path you found as you started seeking then this will lead to realization.
Funny meeting you here! I heard this as well, regarding the different stages: First, as babies, we are unconscious and innocent. Then we become unconscious and un-innocent. Then we become conscious and un-innocent. Finally, we become conscious and innocent.
The end sounds a bit like the stages of learning: First you do not know what you do not know Then you know what you do not know Then you know what you know Then you do not know what you know (knowledge has beoome fluent/automatic)
you say this coz you heard this guy repeating it like a mantra or you know it to be true. Is it possible there is something you dont know that you dont know? Can that be applied to Mr. Ruperts teachings? what is the difference between syaing what you said, and saying there is only Allah and he is the God who said "I am", is that any different from what Jehovas followers say about their God? How does that explains anything anyway?
Don't cling on to the finger that is pointing to the moon. Rupert isnt claiming that the teaching is in the words or intellectual understanding. You hear it, and see for yourself it is true from your everyday experience, and eventually, you will find out, that it is. Try it, and you find out how it explains everything.
yeah, when feeling a bit of spiritual dyspepsia just up the dose and tell ourselves it all will be coming to us soon. How's that any different from what the mullah practices in the mosque or that which the priest teaches in the church? Meditation or medication. To realize the self is an illusorythought pattern does not require to silent down the sound of reason and rational observations about the nature of reality or that which is being perceived through the senses.
Sure, it is possible, since it doesn't depend on the states of mind or the body.. but for most realizing this is just not enough, embodying it takes time, so to speak.. its not instant.
FYI - as is often true on RUclips, the employee who created the headline has mischaracterized the video. It has very little to do with Vedanta, Tantra or emotion. A better headline is: The Three Step Direct Path (and how it differs from an infant's experience)
I find that sometimes i like to not touch my feelings and bodily sensations and be aware of the infinite space of myself and somtimes i like to have my awarness on the sensation of my body and emotions that are happening in the body. Both are really doing the same things because there is only 1 truth.
I have more experience with the vedantic tradition of seeing that I am the space of awareness in which experience arises, that is easy for me to see. But I find it harder and more abstract to make the leap into the tantric tradition. Does anyone have any practices to experience this collapse in distinction between objects and awareness in order to see that there is just knowing?
Yes to the yoga meditations of Rupert, as Lila Ramos Y Ramos says. My understanding is that the Tantric approach is actually less abstract. In one sentence: Embrace all your feelings and sensations in the current moment with compassionate stillness, with no attempt to change, fix, heal or run away from them. If anyone would like to add to, or clarify, what I just wrote, please do.
@@averagebarband wow that is Tantic approach or teaching? This really made me wonder. I am not well informed in spirituality. I don't read books about in. I've been aware of spirituality even for only a year now. I think I've only scanned less than 5 from Ekchart or Deepak and when it's only free on pdf lol. Yet, without the terms and specific belongings of any teaching, I seem to somehow know how. It's like I have no solid proof of it, yet I sense I didn't come here fresh. If this is true then there really is reincarnation and an individual has its own energetic signature or essence that is continuous. Consciousness is a continuum.
I am absent present at the same time. I am not this and I am also this. Absent for the world to happen in( Vedantic path) and present as the world itself (tantric path) In the Rudra Puja( worship done to the shiva linga) done in India it's chanted in Sanskrit I am not this, I am not this, I am not this and later in the chants it is I am this, I am this, I am this. And also I am not in this, I am not in this, I am not in this. Then later it says I am in this, I am in this, I am in this. Are the two paths essentially different or simply two sides of a coin?
Slavomira Krasna Ok. By reading your initial comment it looks as though you believe that what he says is not true. If someone 'misleads' others then something is not right. That is the only way I can interpret your comment.
I do not believe in anything. Can you say the same? As you are already trying to transform my comment into something you would be able to understand. Your reaction is therefore based on your own interpretation of the other, not on the other. Are you not being mislead yourself?:)
Slavomira Krasna Yeah probably I am mislead. Most people probably are. But I like what Rupert has to say and it has personally helped me. So I can only speak from my experience.
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This has to be the most direct and efficient path for most people, for most of the time. Beautifully explained as always by Rupert Spira.
Thank you for being an amazing teacher. I am sooooo grateful.
So succinctly put.. the old name for a teacher was 'master'... one who completed his journey-manship... to become a master... Rupert is such a master to this soul.
Awe. Thank you for sharing this level of knowledge openly and widely
I experienced the collapse today. Thank you Rupert.
could you please explain what were the steps you took to experience the collapse?
Great video! I resonate very much. I believe that my interpretation of reality is just that, an interpretation. Everything that exists simply is, what it is to me however, is made up in the mind.
I've been reading and listening to Rupert for about a month now, and I always felt like if a subtle part of his teachings were eluding me. This video suddenly brought everything together for me.
That 'exploration' Rupert suggests is experiential in the form of a contemplative approach. He has said elsewhere that meditation was an approach he felt inferior to direct self inquiry. Rupert tried meditation first (for 20 years), then moved to contemplation of experience (e.g. self inquiry as in 'see who is aware of being aware'), where he obtained much faster results. However, there's no barrier to using both approaches in your daily sadhana. Self inquiry is just one type or way offered by the contemplative approach; similarly, there are many styles of meditation...both East and West.
Joe Dowd i remember many years ago i was on retreat, doing 4-5 hours of meditation a day. For some reason after a 'meditation' session i decided to really ask myself where and what i am, This lead to direct realization.
The meditation i was doing wasn't really a form of concentration.. or repetition of a mantra, it was merely a practice of letting everything be as it is. I'm not sure how related self inquiry is to meditation, i think perhaps meditation lead to a kind of subtle stillness where inquiry could be very effective.
it's also possible that one could do years upon years of meditation and never really realize truth. Therfore, I'd say the desire to know the truth is primary. In me that desire got to a high point of intensity, only dissipating after seeing through the seeking process itself. Yet, paradoxically the intensity of desire was needed to realize desirelessness haha
michael mcclure As N. Maharaj has said, "when effort is needed, effort will happen and when effortlessness is needed it too will occur".
Rupert is a pleasure to listen to regardless of how anyone might nuance this topic. 🙏
***** yes, something like that. When its clear no effort is needed to be what one already is and that seeking itself tends to obscure the pristine truth. Hard to take it seriously then haha. Lots happened afterwards but the searching wasn't really there, at least not in the same way.
Rupert articulates things very well, i agree.
I also feel that the goal of all sadhnas is to dissolve the sadhak and self enquiry is that last nail( final Sadhna) in the coffin of the separate self. but it isn't necessary to go through other paths to arrive at the direct path. If this is the path you found as you started seeking then this will lead to realization.
AaÀaw
Very clear and beautifully expressed ❤️
Funny meeting you here!
I heard this as well, regarding the different stages:
First, as babies, we are unconscious and innocent.
Then we become unconscious and un-innocent.
Then we become conscious and un-innocent.
Finally, we become conscious and innocent.
Jimmy Greenwood hi Jimmy ❤️😘!
Thank you !!..... Please kindly augment the volume of your videos.
Well, that was deep.
The end sounds a bit like the stages of learning:
First you do not know what you do not know
Then you know what you do not know
Then you know what you know
Then you do not know what you know (knowledge has beoome fluent/automatic)
Very good explanation, thanks !
Excellent
Namaste, it helps, thank you
from "all there is, is experience", through a middle stage, to "all there is, is consciousness".
Cool!
you say this coz you heard this guy repeating it like a mantra or you know it to be true. Is it possible there is something you dont know that you dont know? Can that be applied to Mr. Ruperts teachings? what is the difference between syaing what you said, and saying there is only Allah and he is the God who said "I am", is that any different from what Jehovas followers say about their God? How does that explains anything anyway?
Don't cling on to the finger that is pointing to the moon. Rupert isnt claiming that the teaching is in the words or intellectual understanding. You hear it, and see for yourself it is true from your everyday experience, and eventually, you will find out, that it is. Try it, and you find out how it explains everything.
yeah, when feeling a bit of spiritual dyspepsia just up the dose and tell ourselves it all will be coming to us soon. How's that any different from what the mullah practices in the mosque or that which the priest teaches in the church? Meditation or medication.
To realize the self is an illusorythought pattern does not require to silent down the sound of reason and rational observations about the nature of reality or that which is being perceived through the senses.
Sure, it is possible, since it doesn't depend on the states of mind or the body.. but for most realizing this is just not enough, embodying it takes time, so to speak.. its not instant.
May I know why you think it is not instant?
FYI - as is often true on RUclips, the employee who created the headline has mischaracterized the video. It has very little to do with Vedanta, Tantra or emotion.
A better headline is:
The Three Step Direct Path (and how it differs from an infant's experience)
A point of view. I prefer the original title.
Tomato 🍅
I find that sometimes i like to not touch my feelings and bodily sensations and be aware of the infinite space of myself and somtimes i like to have my awarness on the sensation of my body and emotions that are happening in the body. Both are really doing the same things because there is only 1 truth.
you're good
I have more experience with the vedantic tradition of seeing that I am the space of awareness in which experience arises, that is easy for me to see. But I find it harder and more abstract to make the leap into the tantric tradition. Does anyone have any practices to experience this collapse in distinction between objects and awareness in order to see that there is just knowing?
Sunil Chopra try with the "yoga meditations" of Rupert...you'll go direct! enjoy it :)
Yes to the yoga meditations of Rupert, as Lila Ramos Y Ramos says. My understanding is that the Tantric approach is actually less abstract.
In one sentence: Embrace all your feelings and sensations in the current moment with compassionate stillness, with no attempt to change, fix, heal or run away from them.
If anyone would like to add to, or clarify, what I just wrote, please do.
@@averagebarband wow that is Tantic approach or teaching? This really made me wonder. I am not well informed in spirituality. I don't read books about in. I've been aware of spirituality even for only a year now. I think I've only scanned less than 5 from Ekchart or Deepak and when it's only free on pdf lol. Yet, without the terms and specific belongings of any teaching, I seem to somehow know how.
It's like I have no solid proof of it, yet I sense I didn't come here fresh. If this is true then there really is reincarnation and an individual has its own energetic signature or essence that is continuous. Consciousness is a continuum.
la traduction en français existe-t-elle merci ?
I am absent present at the same time. I am not this and I am also this. Absent for the world to happen in( Vedantic path) and present as the world itself (tantric path)
In the Rudra Puja( worship done to the shiva linga) done in India it's chanted in Sanskrit I am not this, I am not this, I am not this and later in the chants it is I am this, I am this, I am this. And also I am not in this, I am not in this, I am not in this. Then later it says I am in this, I am in this, I am in this.
Are the two paths essentially different or simply two sides of a coin?
Still didn't understood 3rd step. Please help
No one really understands this, that's why they keep listening.
Step 1: Knowing and Object
Step 2: Object is in the Knowing
Step 3: Realising that there is only Knowing
Knowing= Awareness = Consciousness = God
yes. but how?
Rupert reminds me of James Bond
lol
yes
Which Bond?
Even the one who means well, misleads the others when he fails to see that he misleads himself.
You disagree with this?
There is nothing to agree or disagree with. I listened to what he had to say and my reaction is as above.
Slavomira Krasna Ok. By reading your initial comment it looks as though you believe that what he says is not true. If someone 'misleads' others then something is not right. That is the only way I can interpret your comment.
I do not believe in anything. Can you say the same? As you are already trying to transform my comment into something you would be able to understand. Your reaction is therefore based on your own interpretation of the other, not on the other.
Are you not being mislead yourself?:)
Slavomira Krasna Yeah probably I am mislead. Most people probably are. But I like what Rupert has to say and it has personally helped me. So I can only speak from my experience.