🌌 Explore the Iconic Hero Enterprise Filming Model in Unprecedented Detail! 🚀
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- 🌌 Explore the Iconic Hero Enterprise Filming Model in Unprecedented Detail! 🚀
Hey there, fellow space explorers! Jim here, and I'm thrilled to welcome you back to our ongoing series, delving deep into the magnificent shooting models that graced the original Star Trek series. 🛰️ Get ready for an experience like no other!
📸 Prepare to be blown away by candid photographs capturing the historic moment when Richard Dayton delivered the majestic eleven-foot, two-inch hero Enterprise model to Desilu Studios. These rare snapshots, taken on that significant day, have become invaluable treasures in our quest to restore the model's pristine appearance. 📷
🌠 But hold on tight, because this video isn't your ordinary documentary. We're taking you on an extraordinary journey through time and technology. Witness the awe-inspiring transformation as we seamlessly blend vintage special effects footage with modern green screen technology. 🚀✨
🌌 Let's kick things off with a look at the Enterprise as it appeared during the first pilot. Unlit and with distinctive spikes on the nacelle caps, this glimpse into the past reveals the ship's early design choices. But there's more to it than meets the eye. Get ready to see the behind-the-scenes magic unfold as we overlay the original footage on today's advanced screens. 🤯
🛸 Dive even deeper into the story as we explore subsequent pilots and changes. From updated vent designs and illuminated nacelles to the remarkable electrification of the model, every modification tells a tale of creativity and innovation. 🌌
🌟 Discover little-known secrets, like the fact that the Enterprise was filmed suspended from the ceiling and why certain shots were captured against a black background. Unveil Hollywood's clever tricks, like flipping the negative to create a right-to-left shot, and immerse yourself in the mesmerizing 3D-like experience brought to life by our innovative technology. 🎥🚀
🔍 Witness the model's evolution through the second pilot, where "Where No Man Has Gone Before" marked a pivotal shift. The Enterprise receives new details and lighting effects, creating a starship that's truly out of this world. Be amazed by the stunning visual impact as we reimagine the footage with modern technology. 🌌🌠
🚀 But our journey doesn't end there! Join us as we delve into intriguing stories, like the rare images of the Enterprise on display at a college exhibition, thanks to Craig Thompson's incredible foresight. 📚✨
💡 Like, subscribe, and turn on notifications so you won't miss our next exploration into the heart of Star Trek's shooting models. It's a voyage you won't want to miss. Until next time, fellow Trekkies! 🖖🚀
It was amazing to see for real at the Smithsonian. That 'fake, pretend' ship has probably inspired more people than anything else they have in that building.
Yep. I saw it back in the 80's. I didn't know it was there. I came around a turn and all of a sudden there's the USS Enterprise.
Wow.
I got to see it to at the Smithsonian when I was young. It was awesome!!
I first saw the Enterprise at the Smithsonian many, many years ago when it was hanging from the ceiling next to the Klingon Bird of Prey. As I recall, there was no way to get a good look at it. You could only stand on the floor and stare up, which, of course, only gave you a view of the bottom. About four years ago, I was back at the Smithsonian and saw the fully restored Enterprise in it's new display case where you can get within a few feet of it, which is pretty awesome. It's only lighted for a few minutes every hour, I think for preservation purposes, so you have to time your visit if you want to see the ship in all of its glory.
Especially since it now looks better than any of the previous restorations. This fourth one even fixed the interior lighting.
@@darthkurland it is amazing and glad they did it like that.
I don't comment often, nor do I often enter giveaways. However, since this deadline happens to be my 53rd birthday, and this book is likely beyond my meager budget to acquire otherwise, I am commenting to enter. I will comment on all 4 videos, since the poll has not yet ended. 🤠👍
Two spaceships can get me misty-eyed: any space shuttle, and the OG Enterprise. The amount of warmth and affection that wells up when I see it is probably unreasonable, but I don't care.
“All I ask is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by.” - John Masefield
Born in 1960 I remember ST in first run on network TV, we were even lucky enough to own a color TV so I could see the full effect of all the colors. Only problem was I was age 6-9 when it ran and I couldn't follow it but Lost In Space, THAT I could follow cuz it was sorta like a cartoon. Plus it had a cool flying saucer spaceship and the best robot I've ever seen IMHO. Anyway by the time ST began in re-runs after school around 1971 or so I was 11 and could begin to understand it. I also fell in love with the Enterprise and I always loved the episodes where the E ran into or made contact with other starships, rare as that was. The Exeter in the Omega Glory, The Constellation in Doomsday Machine and the other three starships in Ultimate Computer. I stumbled upon one of the first versions of AMT's Enterprise model around 1972 in a dept. store and it was the version with clear orange nacelle domes, and light green domes for the bridge and lower points of the saucer section. Made to be lighted it came with tiny grain o wheat bulbs for those clear sections listed. I spent a lot of grass cutting/car washing money on two of those kits but they were also quite RARE. I only ever saw about 4-5 of those kits in that store. I managed to get two over a couple months and a friend of mine got one too. Being kids we broke them where the nacelle struts joined the lower hull. In our defense it was really poor engineering by AMT on the parts at the assembly point too, and the bulbs burned out quick. Later versions we bought (almost built the whole fleet at one point) were just white plastic and no lighting mentioned at all. I got a Lincoln Enterprises catalog and bought some more ST stuff. To this day I still have some cells of 35mm color film stock cut out during the editing process of the original show. But thing is we LOVED that show and that starship!! Whoever came up with that design was worlds ahead of the time he lived in. Look at that pic of the delivery, the Enterprise in the street with all those ancient early 60's late 50's cars in the background and that's enough to fairly depict how futuristic it truly was. It was my main reason for visiting the Smithsonian in my 40's. To stand and see what my eyes had loved since I was 11 was just an awe inspiring experience. To think of everything ST has inspired over the years since, not only the gadgets but the people who went into various lines of work and careers because of it all kinda makes you get a little choked. I'm 63 next month but my love of the original U.S.S. Enterprise and all it represents has never and will never leave me. I recall I had a paperback book "The Making Of Star Trek" by David Gerrold (?) the Tribble man I think, for most of the 70's. It had a pic on the cover of the Enterprise with the Botany Bay beside it on the sound stage as it was being filmed. A drool inducing pic as a kid. Thank you for all the BTS pics and information, like most fans as much as you can find and too much is never enough. Many thanks! PS: while I liked the movie return of TOS gang, and sorta liked the Movie Enterprise I REALLY preferred TOS Starship, you know? Also, I was insulted when the TNG came out in 1988 and refused to lay an eyeball on it at the time and for years. Felt like a sellout. No Kirk?, no SPOCK?, no McCoy and Scotty? SACRILEGE!! It took me many years to come around, but there have been iterations I don't, and will never, care for. Keep that to myself. Again, many thanks for these vids. Keep them coming. 🖖Live Long and Prosper.
I remember when i first saw her at Smithsonian air and space...star trek meant so much to me as a kid, it was almost a religious experience. I had goosebumps.
I get what you mean. I think I was like 12 at the time. And I also remember goosebumps. It was surreal to actually see something in person that had meant so much to me.
Agreed. One time I was in Los Angeles and saw the Hollywood sign.
The Enterprise was more gooseworthy.
I am just fascinated by anything having to do with the giant model from the original series. I saw it at the Smithsonian in the early 80's (I think), hanging from the ceiling. Got pics of it somewhere, but haven't found them since moving. If I come across them, I'll be sure to upload them to you.
Very nice video. I understand that originally, the scale of the Enterprise (The Cage ) was about half as big and the bridge was originally the teardrop portion under what is now the bridge. The original compliment of the crew under Pike was 203 (?) while later under Kirk it was 430.
Yes, you are right! We'll be doing a wrap up of Season 1 in a short while; and there will be a detailed video going over all the modifications that were done to the model more in depth.
I saw the model at Goldenwest College, Huntington Beach, CA. in 1972. One of the highlights of my childhood 😊
Very cool!
Another fantastic review.thank you for all your research on the 1960's.uss Enterprise!
As everyone's favorite Vulcan would say... "Fascinating!"
Indeed!
Amazing how interested we all are in a ship from a tv show….
It really is, isn't it? While I was researching the video on the Smithsonian restorations; I kept seeing people ask the Smithsonian all the time what right a TV ship had to be in the museum with "real" artifacts. It's not that the ship deserves to be there. It's because of all the things that people have been inspired to do with their lives as a result of that ship!
It's a ship that inspires dreams!
Absolutely Awesome! Great video! Just stumbled across your channel. I'm off to view the rest of your videos! :) Thanks for putting them together!
Welcome aboard! I'm having a blast. Wait until you see the stuff I've got on the Galileo model. lol. The more I look, the crazier the story gets.
A Beautiful Ship... i have always loved The Enterprise.....❤❤❤❤
Admiral Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy: You treat her like a lady. And she'll always bring you home. (A really powerful quote that never gets the recognition it deserves).
Minor correction. They would have shot the model against a blue screen, not green. That’s why the blue neck and highlights dropped out. Blue screen was the standard in those days.
Good catch! I actually wondered in anyone would comment about that. I consistently used the term "greenscreen" throughout the video. Even when actually showing the raw footage with a blue background.
Since most of today's RUclips crowd sees the term "greenscreen" all the time; I thought it to be the best choice. I didn't want to get into the differences between the two (luminosity, color bleed, low light, etc) as I was afraid some folks' eyes would glaze over. lol.
@@TREK-WORLD haha! I get you.
Fantastic!
Thank you so much for this video! My dad's father's day present from me this year is a drawing of the OG Enterprise, and it's surprisingly very difficult to find footage and pictures that are both clear and dynamic enough to work as a drawing reference to draw what I have in mind. I also need to research the original ship so that I better understand what I'm drawing, and finding pictures and footage of the original 11ft model is helping a lot. Even just footage from the show itself is fuzzy due to the time it was filmed, and so it's just hard to nail the fine details. I'd just use a photo of the model itself if not for the fact that the lighting is all wrong when it's just the model on display, but seeing it all together here and learning about the parts and little details that are on it is helping me a bunch.
Great too see more of these videos, and subscribed! 👍
Awesome, thank you!
Bacj in the 1970s i was aware that the shooting model was in the Smithsonian...phaser and communicator on my hip, i TRIED to get other members of my family interested un going to see it...yet again, i was called "weird" or "what un the hell is he talking about now..." soyou can see the kind of support i received!
Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing.
Fantastic thanks!
Glad you liked it!
It looks like they also made the deflector dish smaller in circumference before regular production.
I've also wondered the same thing. Unfortunately, I didn't wonder enough about it to dig in and see when I was making this video. I had the same question again when I did the Smithsonian video; the deflector had been lost by the time they got it. And it's been made three separate times and looked difference each time.
I think the deflector dish was replaced in almost every restoration. The one they had in the 70s & 80s was often referred to as "the salad bowl" by fans. lol.
The main sensor dish did indeed shrink in size from the pilot version. Polar Lights did an excellent job of research when they released their recent 1/350 scale models and provided the larger sensor/deflector dish if you wanted to build the pilot version of the Enterprise. I personally prefer the small dish...
The Enterprise was BY FAR the most beautiful science fiction space vessel ever designed. Nothing else even comes close. I'm surprised it was so inexpensive to build. But it is the design that makes it so special. I created a screen saver out of a loop of the Enterprise orbiting the earth. I never get tired of watching those few seconds of footage. I love the scene in ST TMP which shows it leaving orbit out of space dock. Unfortunately that was the redesigned (and ruined, IMO) Enterprise, but it still looks awesome in that scene. Starting at two:ten in this video ruclips.net/video/vdBmYcMMHJw/видео.html
I agree. It is just amazing how "right" it looks!
Such a cool looking ship.
My friends wife was a relative of Linwood Dunn. I was told he had the enterprise model in the garage. 1701 is his street address. Also he had a pile of star trek scripts which unfortunately I never got 1.
Hi John, thanks for taking the time to leave the comment. Linwood pretty much shot all the footage for the model while Star Trek was running. And, oh my word, his resume of experience by that time was already legendary. Not many folks can say they worked on the original King Kong, Citizen Kane, and Star Trek! It was a sad loss for the industry when he passed. Your garage story could very much have been true. I found a picture of Matt Jeffries talking to George Pal (how's that for good company?) And one of the Nacelles from the Enterprise is standing up against the wall behind him in the room. So obviously, the model made it's way around. lol.
I bought a pre-built painted with electronics 1/350 Enterprise and I am confused on the buzzard domes.
The ones on mine are unpainted and are a matt translucent, however, the original Enterprise at the Smithsonian is copper. I am really confused about the domes as I was tempted to paint my domes copper or orange etc?
I have tried to research online to find photos of the Enterprise domes unlit but I am not getting any luck at all?
The original domes were lost before it was given to the Smithsonian. In 1991, they used a translucent dome. But they when back to the corrected colors when they did the 2013 restoration. I do have some test footage from the original series, I'm pretty sure had both lit and unlit clips. Let me see what I can find.
The last time it was filmed was for the 2nd season episode, The Trouble with Tribbles.
Matt Jeffries would usually supervise prepping the model and getting it ready for shooting and so he was always touching it here and there with a paint brush or an air-brush. He always felt the model needed more weathering to give it the look of a ship that has been on more than a few campaigns.
And Ed Miarecki decided it needed MORE weathering.
Matt Jefferies designed the ship, but after he handed off the plans, he was so busy with the sets that he did not have time to do any of the detailing on the ship, which (according to him) was entirely done by the folks at the Howard Anderson Company at Bob Justman's request, possibly responding to directives from Gene Roddenberry.
@@moonliner2001 Well,
Mike.
What can I say?
This is the first time Ive had my ass metaphorically handed to me by someone as famous as you.
Thank you. I stand corrected. That's what I get for talking out of my ase. I believe I was getting Justman confused with Jeffries. But I remembered somebody involved with production was adding weathering and other details to the model during the course of the show's production.
I would think the guys at Howard Anderson would be more skilled at lighting and camera operating and not necessarily skilled at detailing miniature models, but you probably know better than me on that.
Wasn't it Roddenberry who wanted the grid lines on the saucer, and was it Justman that was against it but did finally add some faint lines with a pencil?
Jefferies always maintained that with a ship that size, any seams, bolts, etc would not be visible to the human eye at distance.
The ship looks gorgeous in your new shots, the modern "green"screening worked very well!
I was "gobsmacked" as our English friends would say..... The depth effect caught me completely off guard. Oddly enough, if you try to crop the studio out and just use the ship and background - it loses the 3d depth feel... I guess it's some kind of forced perspective We have lots of beautiful new photos from the last Smithsonian restoration..... I wonder what they would look like? I may try a few test shots.....
The "Spikes" on the nacelle caps are antennae, (almost) identical to the antenna on the Main Sensor/Navigational Deflector.
Thanks Commander!!!
Any time!
Hey, great video. Very nice to find these tidbits of history. I have one addendum for you, that you could probably research for yourself from the Smithsonian videos when they restored the Enterprise last. They had a record of another modification or perhaps a repaint of the ship for Trouble with Tribbles. You said in this video the last modification came at the time of Space Seed. This might be worth looking into, or not if it truly was minor. Thought you'd like to know. :)
Thanks for the comment! And yep, I knew about the Trouble with Tribbles, I just have no earthly idea why in the world I keyed off Space Seed. I think I was watching the pretty pictures and not paying attention to what I was saying. lol.
I just watched the "Space Seed" episode last night and got to see the original Khan! I still have doubts that Khan's chest in the movie was his own. Mantelban was in great shape in the tv series episode but the way his chest looked in the movie, especially considering his age, makes me wonder if it was all Hollywood makeup. What do you think?
It would be great to see some kind of info on the how the TOS spinning bussard effect was constructed and operated. There are a lot of photos out there that show it in a disassembled state, but it’s hard to know when some of the photos were taken and which of them belonged to each of the restoration efforts. There is something about the original series special effects of the bussards on the model that seem to be never fully replicated in model kits, custom model builds, professionally produced lighting kits for the models etc.
Mark Myer’s channel, THE THIRD MODELS, shows his fantastic TOS custom model builds of the 1:350 scale Polar Lights kit, seems to be able to really nail the effect in his builds. Even the Smithsonian restoration, which is impeccable, seems to stray a bit on the bussard domes, as the original color was matt translucent, yet the Smithsonian restoration domes are a translucent copper when unlit. Tiny details I know, yet I have always been fascinated with the effect since I was a kid.
You know..... that's not a bad idea! I'll see if I can find anything kicking around. I've seen tons of photos showing the inside of the globes int he early 70s. But I'm not sure I've read any details.
@@TREK-WORLD Thanks‼️ Love this channel‼️
I agree, I bought a pre-built and painted with electronics 1/350 Enterprise and I was and still am confused on the buzzard domes! The ones on mine are matt translucent as you say, but the Smithsonian is copper. I am confused about that as I was tempted to paint my domes copper or orange but I think I might leave them as?
I have sourced YT and Google but it's hard to find photos of the Enterprise domes unlit.
The first shot that you are showing in the video that is not lit is not the 11 foot 2 inch Hero Model. It is a 3 foot model that Matt Jefferies made for the modelers to make the larger one. They ended up using it for this pilot shot, and I think this is the only shot they used of it on film.
It is also used in an episode where alien beings shrink the ship in the story and Kirk looks at it. His face fills the viewscreen on the bridge.
There was also a famous picture of Leonard Nimoy holding the 3 foot model.
Oh and the 11foot 2 inch hero model for all intensive purposes is 1/87 scale like the HO model rail road train sets.
the fast approach "swoosh" flybys during the opening credits are also the 3 foot model. watch it closely and you can its unlit!
@@jv-lk7bc It was so amazing when I first saw them on tv when I was 4.
In the process of having done a lot of research on the history of this model (while building an 11' long replica from scratch), I can say that your details are pretty spot on, as I understand. One little detail that you didn't mention is that on the secondary hull, where the red "swoosh" stripes go, There's a small wainscoting detail that wasn't on the Cage version, but eventually showed up on the Production refit. I believe it was added on the first retrofit (with the nacelle end grid pattern). Loving your work on this!!
Thank you so much for your kind words. And I tip my hat to you in respect of your 11' replica!
@@TREK-WORLD we also did a 1/24 scale shuttle bay, and it's in my living room. If you ever do a piece on that, let me know!
@@scottlyttle5586 Actually, I will be reaching out to you in time. I am thinking of doing something about the fan films. I want to stay at a more "world view" level. But there would be "chapters"/"installments" on specific teams, crews, and accomplishments. Obviously the Phase 2/New Voyages team is a starting point. But your team set the high water mark on the model reproductions, and then - of course - the Continues team really perfected the art. And finally, the Renegades team precipitated the end. There's a story to tell here. And I want my content to tell the stories rather then just churn out eye candy.
@@TREK-WORLD awesome! Look forward to contributing!
@@TREK-WORLD sounds good. I sent you an e-mail with my contact info, and a rather cool pic attached.. it's of the interior of the dome, with dome removed, but everything else intact.. unfortunately, it's black and white, but it's an image I made sure to save..
Awesome!
Thank you! Cheers!
You also need to mention that the diameter of the deflector dish was reduced. Look at the two pilot versions, and then at the during the series version (I think you mentioned "Space Seed"). You can clearly see that the diameter of the dish is smaller. A small detail, but an important one, nonetheless.
TREK-WorLd, any idea what kind/ type of lens was used; for example at the 5:00 minute mark it seems the lens warps the image "ever so slightly".
Now in the final shots of the ST series i noticed some shots where the Enterprise enters screen Left at quite an up-tempo speed only to slow down a tad once it's in the center of the screen "while it's in orbit around a pLanet". I cannot remember what episode or exactly what shot but every time i see that i think, wow! that's very cool the way it turned out in the final composite. I think they intentionally used a special lens for that "effect" to..."affect" the tv audience of the time since it gave it a reality that had never been achieved at least within the U.S.A. (Note: This wide angle lens effect "is not" seen with the current CGI redone effects).
I've never heard anyone talk about this in any articles including the one you mentioned in Cinematographer magazine from 1967? which i managed to find with regard to the starfield effect and how that was achieved. I still have to send you a response to that since the last time. The article is not quite clear because of the technical talk for which the fx community have been critized for a long time, (not just ST),. My hypothosis on how that was done was partly correct. I'll keep you posted soon on that. Thanks TW. 😼🖖
That's crazy. I don't think I've ever seen the shot you mentioned. Can you remember what episode or story? I have all the OG non-CGI episodes stored safely on my computer, so I'd love to take a shot at looking at it and seeing what was done.
As for the camera and lenses; I am not sure. I've found quite a bit out the unique (for the time) 3-camera setup that Desilu used. But I hadn't looked into what the effects house may have used.
Yes, i will find 2 or 3 examples of what i described about the Enterprise lens effect. That wide angle effect was repeated of the Enterprise, (it speeds up then slows down as it's orbiting Alpha 5? etc. Only the planet behind changed in the final composite. Will let you know.
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1958 PLYMOUTH FURY
Bad to the bone!
I wish they'd retained the practical effects when they remastered tos
It might even have been worth rebuilding an 11 foot model to exacting specs, and re-shooting those scenes.
It shouldn't cost that much.
Model was originally built by
Volmer Jensen , he built several
Hang Gliders
I always preferred the vents to the large balls on the rear of the nacelles.
Me too. The balls actually made no sense to me.
@@TREK-WORLD "Well, the thing's got to have a tail pipe." - Cmdr. Uhuru
The vents looked like they actually contributed to the ships locomotion through space.
It’s quite a thing to see the Enterprise in person.
I thought the model shuttled between Howard Anderson Company and Van Der Veer Photo Effects.
I could be wrong; but I think Van De Veer only did the optical overlays and not the principle model photography. I know that they did The Tholian Web over about a 3-4 month period - and that was in season 3 where there was no model photography. So they had to be using stock footage at that point. They may have also used stock footage for the Immunity Syndrome as well ; as all the Enterprise shots looked like stock overlays to me as well. But to be honest; it wouldn't be the first (or last) thing I may have overlooked in my research on these.
The Enterprise flopped right to left in Shore Leave was the final 11’ version, but those shots had 1071 CCN decals, so it appears the only reverse decal shots used in the series were from the Where No Man Has Gone Before Enterprise shoot in ‘65 - used in Dagger Of The Mind and Mirror Mirror.
I just did a video on the reference shots for th 3ft model. You're comments here make me feel like we may have interest in the 11 foot's library as well.
You also see the spikes on the nacelle caps in the episode "Mirror, Mirror" on the I believe it's the Terran Empires Enterprise
I don't think that was supposed to be a window on the front of the bridge but rather a naval/maritime navigation light.
It appears that the window on the bridge that was added has been taken off again. Why was it added and then taken off?
Roddenberry had it added for Where No Man Has Gone Before; then he had Datin redo the bridge to make it shorter and the window was removed. To be honest, I don't know exactly why he changed his mind. I just have notes saying that he wanted the change.
Slightly related. I used to like in Next Generation when Jordy would run to Ten Forward so he could look out an actual window at something so his visor could get more details.
I hadn't realized how little the model was actually used in the TV series. Just a couple of weeks of stock footage filming at the very beginning, and then into storage to never appear on camera again. Of course it becomes almost painfully obvious when you watch the entire run of the show from start to finish because every exterior shot of the Enterprise is the same handful of shots from one episode to the next.
Hi Darren! If you look in our channel; we actually have a video series which shows you every second that was filmed of the original model. The first one shows you which library shots were created in The Cage & Where No Man Has Gone Before. It then goes on to mention each episode that those shots were used in.
@@TREK-WORLD It amazes me what they were able to accomplish given the budgetary and technological constraints they were working under at the time. And yet it still holds up for the most part nearly 60 years later.
Absolutely. There was a genuine art form to miniature photography that simply doesn't exist today. Star Trek was a great example. But we also had War of the Worlds from 10 years earlier that still look great today.
George Pal was probably the last major producer to truly understand the best ways to use a miniature.
Spielberg also did it with Close Encounters. The mothership was around 3-4 feet in size. Which my mind has *never* been able to accept.
But once CGI became affordable; miniatures disappeared. Which is why we never actually had an NX-01 studio model.
@@TREK-WORLD I've seen the _Close Encounters_ mothership model in person. It's almost disappointingly small and a flat grey. All the wonderment we see in the film was the brilliant use of internal lightning!
That was the incredible artistry of Greg Jein. Immensely talented. I will be doing more on his work when I begin Season 2 about the 1970s Trek. He will be missed greatly. I'm really sorry that I didn't get a chance to chat with him.
So, I am a tad confused The restored Enterprise has a thin but definitive blue area on the foward portion of the neck(?) between the two hulls. We never see this in production. I think you said in this very video. It was there but they later removed it for production. Is that right?
The actual colors used have been a debate for several decades now. However, they actually repainted the dorsal three times : Glossy blue for The Cage, flat blue for Where No Man Has Gone Before; and then they used the normal hull color with flat blue leading edge for production.
@@TREK-WORLD I have seen the obvious line where the change is in some scenes during the show. But you can barely tell the color. If you can at all. It feels so unatural.
On the 2nd pilot version of the Enterprise the bridge is NOT smaller it's the same size as the 1st pilot version & also on the 2nd pilot version the lights were added NOT reflective paint ( I have never heard that Theory) as you can see on the side view fly by the windows near the shuttle Bay go out obviously the bulb burnt out😁
You (and others) are right about the lighting in the second pilot. I got hung up over the nacelle work not having been done yet and completely overlooked the notes that Datin had put nav lights on the saucer and some additional lights on the secondary hull. They even clearly blink at the same moment my voiceover says they're not there!
It's easy to get lost and go down a rabbit hole when I research a video. And these things kind of show up afterward and make me feel a little dumb. lol. It's a shame that RUclips will not allow me to upload a corrected video without losing the current videos analytics.
@@TREK-WORLD understandable still a good video 👍🏾
The neck as you describe it is called the dorsal.
Yup! My family were East Coast watermen for several generations. I've been in Tennessee now for several decades and I still get strange looks from people around here when I use nautical terms. So I tend to use generic terms in my videos; although someone pointed out that I shifted from "Left", to "Port", and then back to "Left" again in the space of a few sentences. lol..... Didn't even realize it!
"Space Seed" was a first season episode, not second. Also, the model was not put in storage after the second season. There were new shots filmed for the third season.
Yup! You're right about the Space Seed photos. They are indeed from Season One. I initially grabbed them and then put them into wrong section when I wrote the outline. And from there the error went straight to video. Oops.
However, I wasn't able to find any indication that Film Effects (or Anderson for that matter) did anything after the pickup shots were done for the Trouble With Tribbles. Which episode in season three had new shots? I'm going to be doing additional follow up videos on this series (this is video 3 in a series expected to be about 10 videos long) and I may find that information handy.
Oh... I almost forgot. They did put the Enterprise in storage after Season 2 completed filming. Remember that they expected to cancel the show. In fact, NBC said it was cancelled. It was only renewed much later when the last first run episode of season 2 aired. The Making of Star Trek has a significant amount of narrative about how they all thought it was over when they wrapped filming on Season 2. It's a great book, if you can find it.
@@TREK-WORLD There is one new shot seen in the third season and it's only seen in two episodes. It's unlikely (for lots of reasons, not the least being the budget of the third season) that this was filmed during the third season. It's the shot of the Enterprise that is under the titles of Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.
Like you said, all of the shots of the Enterprise in the third season are stock.
I love it! However note that the image of the Enterprise that flies up at :06 is CGI.
Hi Doug! It is so nice to have you drop by. And you caught something I hadn’t even considered. I grabbed that particular shot because it worked really well with the transparency I needed when making the thumbnail and lead-in. It was real “pretty” and worked well. Oops! Thanks again for the kind comment. Also, just as an FYI, I just put up a video on the various Smithsonian restorations (I even mention you during the last one), if you check it out be sure to let me know if I made any mistakes. Happy New Year!
@@TREK-WORLD Hi WN! Happy New Year to you! That shot is actually one that I did, so thank you for the nice complement. I will check out your other videos. I love your passion! I've subscribed : )
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Hi, you have done a really good job with Star Trek Continues.
The Enterprise looked absolutely like the original studio model.
I especially liked the saucer separation sequence in the finale.
Would also have liked a second season, maybe with a Phase II refit Connie.
@@platzhalter2581 Thanks! I think I only did the first 5 or 6 episodes.
@@platzhalter2581 I agree. I seem to remember when Vic told us he was getting the CGI ship from Doug. Let's face it; the fan films for Trek have had some really remarkable productions. Obviously, the Phase 2/New Voyages team really set the bar. But Vic's Continues team completely blew my mind. Aside from the sets; their use of the 4:3 format, the same key lighting, and resisting the urge to make things "better" really drew me in. And to be honest; they are the only production that feels like true Star Trek "family" to me. Vic's ability to completely channel Shatner without "impersonating" Bill is unbelievable. Chris did the same thing. I never thought that Chris "was" Jimmy. But it felt true and right. It was meant to be. And even now, I start to cry when remembering Grant. I watched him for years on Mythbusters. But when we lost him; it was his Continues participation that really made me feel like I lost friend.
I wish that the new effects done for the bluray release had been practical. It would have been so cool to see the original model filmed in HD and spruced up with modern effects rather than entirely CGI.
I absolutely love practical effects. Too bad that Hollywood doesn't feel the same way.
@@TREK-WORLD …what’s funny is, I got caught up in “Reaction Videos” during lockdown and when these 22 year old kids are watching films like Blade Runner or Alien, they all gush over the practical effects and lament how some newer FX feel like the game graphics they are. I love good CG but I feel TOS deserved a more vintage treatment.
@@christopherleodaniels7203 I think the best use of "vintage" CGI is the Star Trek Continues team. They were given a CGI Enterprise from Doug Drexler that looked really good. In fact; it's the one I use on the thumbnail and intro to this video. An example of high-quality artistry.
@@TREK-WORLD …they do a great job.
It would have looked stunning to see a CGI warp field build up around the restored eleven foot model.
I would love to see some material and the doomsday machine how it was made
I have collected some photos and info on that particular studio model. I plan to do a single video that will cover a couple of the studio models together (Botany Bay, Planet Killer, etc).
Where did you get these? This is what they should have done with the remastered.
The remastered looks terrible with the cheap CGI. Pity they didn’t go the model route, I totally agree with you.
I found them in some news footage of all things. They are quite surprising; but they aren't high enough quality to be used for HD filming. Or at least I don't believe so.
All this footage and some more was released on the "Roddenberry Vault" Blu-rays. Some of it is in HD and some in SD ...it is not everything that still exist, but it would have been at least enough to recreate the shows opening sequence.
The elements are still there.
It would have been nice, if CBS had remasterd the show this way and not with CGI.
@@TREK-WORLD Hi. I'm a VFX compositor (Disney, IMAX, et al). Is the footage available to test...?
@@scottsimmons6814 Hi Scott! I actually pulled the clips from some news reel footage I stumbled across. But I have been told that the original source for the footage may have been the Roddenberry Blu-Ray vault set that was released a couple years back. That source would be far more suitable for enhancing, upscaling, etc.
Interesting!
Glad you think so!
A lot of people aren't aware that one of the AMT models, which had just recently been released, was used during the filming of "The Trouble with Tribbles" as well.
Correct! We have another Video in the channel that goes over how the AMT models were used and how one of them showed up unexpectedly for auction around 2000.
@@TREK-WORLD I had not known you uploaded a video on that. I went over and watched it and enjoyed it. Thanks for the info.
I saw the one in the Smithsonian pretty cool
Volmer Jensen seen ar 00:23 upper right
Photo at far right in white short sleeve with
Pocket protector , long time building associate Irv Colver , seen wearing denim bib overalls.
Thanks for the information! I wonder at what point in their lives, did any of those gentlemen realize what they had been a part of?
I recall a brief downward shot, with an obvious wire running down the inside of a nacelle support...
Nice video!!!! BAAAAAAAAD Sound!
Hi there! I've really been struggling with the sound quality issues when I do my recordings. I moved into a new house last winter and I have a dedicated room for this. But the sound through my boom-mounted Blue Yeti makes me sound like I'm talking in a can. The acoustics absolutely suck. So I've gone out about bought two other dedicated headsets (wired) that are commonly used for podcasts. And they are what I am using currently. However, each one produces a slightly different "muffled" or "smothered" sound. It drives me nuts. I'll spend an entire day recording and then discover I need to redub again due to sound quality. I do my recording and editing on M1 Macs. But I have the same problem with the same mics on the Windows desktop as well.
Sorry your having mic problems! At least your on it, so you'll get it figured out!!!
Why was Patty Hearst looking at the model?
Why does the cage model have no clear domes above and below the primary hull? Lower dome is called sensor array.
Very cool. The hero model was known as the 10 foot model mostly because the line drawings in the 1975 Star Trek Technical Manual reflected the measurements of the filming model to this scale.
I asked the team at the Smithsonian to measure the saucer, the secondary hull and the full length of the engine nacelles. I was curious to know the exact scale of the filming model.
They argued and debated with me for some time over this matter.
about a year latter Trek Yards showed that they had measured it and found it to be the 11 foot 2 inch and not the 10 that they claimed for years.
I am working on a 13 foot 1/4 inch version which puts it at 1/72 scale. Mine is being modeled as the Constitution.
Hi there! Thanks for dropping by. I am always in awe of folks such as yourself. I have no skill whatsoever for making things in the "real world". lol. A topic I touch on in my review of the Polar Light 3ft Preassembled model. I will definitely want to keep up with your build.
@@TREK-WORLD I will let you know when I start posting the build logs.
Actually, the 1/72 scale he's talking about is based on the fictional size of the starship. Remember that the 32 inch models out there are 1/350. So at 1/72 his model should be around 13 feet in size. So yes, it will be larger than the original. I'm dying to see how that works out.
@@slighter LOL, Yes, I have the scale line drawings for all 3 of the tos originals. the Romulan BOP is almost exactly 3.5 feet in length X 4 feet in width. The D7 is just a tad over 10 feet and about 3 inches and the Constitution is 13 feet and a quarter inch.
What I find interesting is the Hero model is very close to HO train scale which I don't know was on purpose or not. Mr. Jefferies is deceased so we will probably never get a real answer to what he had really planned when they set out to make that model.
They definitely touted it to be ton feet for over 2 decades.
I am glad they finally figured out that it wasn't.
Right now I am a bit busy with 3D chess sets design, and making some custom archery bows for my company.
I am also working on a Klingon TOS shuttle craft design that I want to post on my YT channel, and or I might make a seperate channel for the model stuff.
I have been sick as a dog this week with Pneumonia but should be better next week so I can get back on the projects.
@@TREK-WORLD A few years ago, a friend and I went and built an 11' TOS "The Cage" filming model for a fan film called "Star Trek: First Frontier" (it's on RUclips). Took us about a year to work through everything and build it. In the process of doing my research, I was able to go through pics to find out there are two "retrofits", which I call "second pilot retrofit" and "production retrofit" for the TV series. I've figured out where certain details were put on, even font changes on the lettering of the ship and the like. But it's also interesting if you work the math from the proposed actual length down to 11 feet, you'll get just about 1:87th scale, which happens to be the same scale for HO train modeling.
What about the beautiful 64 galaxie and the 57 Chevy?
Actually, I bet if someone could authenticate either to prove they were in the photo, the asking price of the vehicles would go up! That is, if they are still around anywhere.
Well, you have a few things wrong. First, the model was delivered with plain aft end caps on the nacelles. And that one shot if it in The Cage was reused two other times. It shows the same detailing on the top of the saucer as in those test photos, so that is not a version not seen. Also, fans of the model have known for years about it's voyage to the community college in 1972. We even had one photo. But the newly found photos were even better and showed exactly what they needed. It was already missing the deflector dish at that point, but nothing else yet. Roddenberry lost the 33 inch model. There are several version of how and nothing has been verified. So we can only imagine what could have happened to the 11 foot model if he'd had it.
Thanks for checking in. I appreciate the comments!
We should have the next in this series up this weekend - it will cover the Smithsonian donation and the subsequent restorations.
Oops! I let a point slide - sorry about that.
The model was indeed delivered with smooth end caps. I mention that in the video; and I even go out of my way to point out that the test photos were of the model *before* the 2nd pilot modifications. My point was that the Cage never showed the rear of the 11 foot model - they only filmed the saucer reveal.
Only the 3 foot model was shown for all other shots - and it's end caps were not plain. They had baffles. So this shot of the 11 foot model showing plain endcaps from the rear was never actually used. Which is also backed up by the dates on the test photo; which shows the photos were taken in between the Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before.
Also, please remember that these videos are geared for the casual public. And while a ton of die hard Trek fans knew about the college visit; most of the overall fanbase had no idea.
I attended several Creation Cons back in the 80s and 90s where the model was discussed due to the publicity of the McCall exhibit. And even at those cons it was stated that the model was "taken apart" after the show and stored away until the Smithsonian asked for it. So it's kind of like where we are in fandom today with the amount of knowledge being directly tied to the level of casual interest in Trek.
Anderson shot a complete library of all the stock footage to be reused beginning with the 2nd pilot. And by that time they had placed the vent holes on the rear
The shot of the Enterprise flying away at the end of The Cage (Original Effects Version) looks to be a shot of a photograph rather than a 3d model. Does anyone agree or maybe can they verify this or prove it wrong?
I've actually put up a video about a week ago covering this same subject (it covers every shot ever made of the 3 foot model). I know the shot you speak of; I called it the "Slow depart" shot. It was an actual model shot. I believe they were trying to get the "ride off into the sunset" kind of effect. But I could very much be wrong on their motivation. It just reminded me of so many of the westerns I had seen which did this exact same shot at the end when the hero rode off into the sunset. Be sure to subscribe, I've got some other stuff coming you may like.
So every frame shown of the Enterprise for season 3 were reused footage from seasons 2, 1?
From what I was able to find; there were no 11-foot shots created for season 3. Ironically, the footage of the 3 ft model they shot for Requiem for Methusala was the last new footage of the ship ever shot. Which means the 3-foot model was the very first, and very last Enterprise to be filmed.
The model.still holds up after all that day.
Yes it does. And in no small part to the efforts of the Smithsonian. We should be very thankful that they had the ship and that they respected it. No one else would have ever preserved her the way they have.
And if i recall correctly the last filming of the 11 foot miniature was for ‘The Trouble With Tribbles’ where a few more modifications were made.
I expect the role the 3 foot (and lost ? I have thoughts on that but never mind) miniature in the filming of ‘The Cage’ will be the subject of a future video.
Great minds think alike! Or so I am told..... I have a video on the the 3ft model here : ruclips.net/video/06l9AymOp-o/видео.html
I try replicate true to the original the second pilot ship lightning. First i thinked, thats was a fully lighted modell, but checking few scene, this version have just partial light, realy hard to tell, because with good paint realy hard to tell what is light, what is just paintwork (maybe a reflective type like by police cars). What i see as replica builder, i see light behind the hangar windows (weird this light goes out), same visible on the neck from more angle, also navigational lights working. Navigational lights also not standard, we see on the saucer nose one lightbulb, the original navigational light what visible in the middle of the saucer sides (middle of both black marking) not working, but under the saucer back we got two working blinking light (later thats was removed), also the hangar door top also works as white navigational light, blinking in syncron. After watching few original, not remastered episodes, weird, but we can see mixed the first/second pilot in one episode - i think there was no concept, we can talk about this just after production version. I dont liked earlier this spike styled nacelles, but after watching the original scenes, this looks realy well, shame we can see this design just as Mirror ship.
You've done your homework! 😀 It's hard for a lot of people to understand, but the lighting was completely different when they made the second pilot. You've pretty much summarized that. And although the model only had that configuration for about two months; they reused those shots over and over again during the life of the series. In many episodes, you saw all three versions at the same time. It was only in the mid to late 1970s that people who were not involved with the production began to understand the timeline.
I always assumed the balls went in to the warp engines when the ship dropped out of warp then reappeared at warp speed.
Are all these squares on the sides of the secondary hull windows or cameras?
Why are there triangular banners on the underside of the primary hull?
Why does the AMT model have a spiderweb pattern on the top of the primary hull?
Nice video but...as pointed out the second pilot had lighting added.also in the episode "Friday's child" when the Enterprise returns to capella 4 the film is flipped to try to show the portside.any of the "portside" episodes the numbers and letters are backwards - whomever came up with the story about decals being replaced is clearly in error.just look on the blu ray episodes and pause and look frame by frame.I do applaud your efforts here as filming miniatures is an almost totally lost art and the history is interesting.
Cool. I will have to check that out. There's some comparison videos showing the original GFX with the remastered that will give me some more background. It will be interesting to compare the one you mention with the three I had already found.
However, those decals are indeed real. Datin spoke about them before he died. The model was originally delivered with the numbers painted on. But they replaced the numbers with decals when he did the 2nd Pilot update. Roddenberry also thought it would be easier for them to use the model for other Constitution class ships if need be. They hadn't even dreamt of the AMT solution yet.
The gentleman who borrowed the ship from storage for his college exhibit said that he also got the original decals when they loaned him the model. In fact, they told him that he could keep them. The photo you see in the video is of his decals.
Really interesting! Thanks for replying to my post and I am eagerly awaiting your future videos!and again thank you for tackling the job of illuminating some fascinating facts about the original star trek!😀🖖
Also..... I let your first point drop. Sorry about that. You (and others) are right about the lighting in the second pilot. I got hung up over the nacelle work not having been done yet and completely overlooked the notes that Datin had put nav lights on the saucer and some additional lights on the secondary hull. They even clearly blink at the same moment my voiceover says they're not there!
It's easy to get lost and go down a rabbit hole when I research a video. And these things kind of show up afterward and make me feel a little dumb. lol. It's a shame that RUclips will not allow me to upload a corrected video without losing the current videos analytics.
And finally (I promise!!)… I just have to ask..... The inner nerd in me is screaming at me... By any chance, are you related to Ben Bova?
@@TREK-WORLD I used to work in market research and I lost count of how many people have asked if I am related to Ben Bova but the answer is not as far as I know!again looking forward to your future content and I know how sometimes research can become a bit tedious but I really appreciate you sharing the info with all of the fans out there!😀👍🖖
Big window on the bridge huh?
Ironically, they brought the idea back for the 2009 Star Trek reboot. You could see that the forward viewscreen was actually part of the wall structure. Which allowed you to see inside the bridge from outside the ship. I also believe Discovery has used this approach on several ships as well.
Yeah, by 2009, audiences could understand a window that also functioned as a heads-up display and a viewscreen, but the TV audience of the 1960s probably couldn't have. They wouldn't have understood touchscreen controls, either. They just would've thought the bridge looked cheap. "Look! They couldn't afford real buttons and switches!"
@@TREK-WORLD I think the original needed a window for emergencies but not a heads up type of display. Like it would be the screen in the show but if power went out it would be a window or something for dead reckoning or celestial navigation with emergency power
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I only saw the first season-and-a-half of _seaQuest DSV_ (1993-96), and while I don't remember a lot about it now, one thing that stuck in my mind from the Season Two opener was the bridge of the _seaQuest II_ had a forward-projection screen like the first boat did in Season One, _except_ the _II's_ screen could be turned off and physically retracted into the ceiling bulkhead to reveal a thick glass window to look outside. (In reality, this would be incredibly stupid, but then again the show _did_ get more-and-more stupid with each passing season thus leading to its cancellation, so whatever.)
So, why do I bring this up-?
That window in the front of the _TOS Enterprise's_ Bridge was removed _before the show began,_ and was only visible in the second pilot. There's a lot of things that changed from the second pilot to the regular episodes, so _by canon_ (which we Trekkies love, hence our obsessive reputations) that window never existed. And in answer to the question, "Why do _Star Trek_ shuttlecraft have glass windows?", it's because they are smaller and don't have the room- nor necessity- for the equipment to house a Viewscreen.
In regards to the alternate license, the reason the Churchprise and the USS Pizza Cutter have windows is because Bad Hideout didn't take the time to _research and learn_ that the reason the _TOS Enterprise_ didn't have a lot of windows was they had Viewscreens to project any view of the outside, and they didn't need a giant 4:3-aspect porthole right smack on the front of their command center! So, because Bad Hideout is dumb, they slapped a giant -glass- transparent aluminum 16:9-aspect porthole on the front of all their -starfleet- ships thinking to themselves, 'A giant TV screen is boring, let's make ourselves even more exposed, and make it even harder to see projected images on glass windows!' It has _absolutely nothing whatsoever_ to with a HUD, and more to do with being both lazy and stupid and dependent on _facts_ that they either don't know about, don't care about, don't take the time to seek out and double-check, or all of the above.
If the Churchprise and the USS Disgracery had a fold-up/retractable Viewscreen with a giant window behind it, I would complain a bit less.
For the DoorDash dropoffs.
What should have been, was have some lights coming on or going off c.f.like member leaving their quarters or entering.
I heard that in the original concept the ships hull was transparent at warp speed. Any truth to that?
Hi Joseph, nice to meet you. As neat as that sounds, it wasn't anything I've heard they considered. In fact, they were really on a tight budget so the whole concept of the transporter was invented just to allow them to not have to show the Enterprise landing all the time.
Also, the effects back then were all practical - meaning they were limited to whatever you could do with a miniature and old fashioned blue screen technology. So any attempt to have a transparent hull would have required two full sized models instead of one - and the transparent one would need to be incredibly detailed to look believable.
Matt & company went through hundreds of concepts before they settled on the final design. So it is entirely possible that this could have been a talking point during those brainstorm sessions. But unfortunately, everyone involved at that time has now long passed. So I imagine there were quite a few concepts they considered, that we will never know about.
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@@TREK-WORLD actually a detailed model isn't necessary. If you watch the original pilot there is a point were the enterprise first heads for the Talos star system. The ships bulk heads fade in and out and the crew seams to be just whizzing through space. The effect could indicate a translucent hull or some other space time effect. I was just wondering if someone knew for sure.
Ahhhh…. Now I know what you’re talking about. They did the fade in and out of the star field as an effect that allowed them to imply speed. The 11 foot model was not available in time to supply any of the effect shots they had hoped to shoot. So in the end they were able to only do a single shot of the 11 foot model against a black practical star field. For everything else; they were limited to the stock footage they took of the 3ft model in late December of 1965. And even those shots couldn’t be blue screen as they also had the black twinkle lights backdrop.
By the time they came back to film the second pilot; they abandoned the fade effect in favor of a bunch of new footage they finally had of the 11ft model against a blue screen. So whenever they wanted to show us the Enterprise was moving, they always went with an external shot of the Enterprise. For extreme speed they used an accelerated shot of the 3ft model footage. The best example of this is the “whoosh” shots in the opening credits.
What is the difference between this one and the three foot one that was recently discovered by Gene's son? They seem to both be claiming to the "the original used in the opening shots."
Why did the Smithsonian add a red nipple protusion on the bottom saucer section?
Ahhhh…… That’s actually a good story to tell. I will be doing. Smithsonian video in the next month or so which will go over it in detail. But long story short, it was always believed to be a legend because it was not visible on TV. But they found photographic evidence in time for the 2016 restoration.
I look forward to seeing the upcoming video. I think the Smithsonian did a wonderful job with the restoration. However, another thing that bothers me is the "weathered look" around the front of the secondary/engineering hull. Thank for taking the time to produce these videos and answer questions too.
You are oh so welcome! I have to really say, I was never a fan of the weathering on the model at all. For many years, I simply believed that the model stayed the same Un weathered colors that we saw in behind the scenes photos.
But then I saw interviews with Matt that explained what had happened. Gene asked him to weather the paint and Matt felt strongly that this would be a waste of time. He said that you would never be able to make out the weathering in real life because you would have to be way too close to make out that detail in space. So he refused to do the weathering.
But then Gene had the effects shops add the weathering anyhow. And, of course, you couldn't make out any details on SD TV back in those days - so the Enterprise always looked clean and white on TV.
I know the location of the "Hero" model is. The question is where is the three foot model ?.
Whoever has it will probably never tell. Majel was very vocal about it in her later years. She publicly called it "stolen property'. So I suspect returning it may raise unwanted questions. Kind of like all the artwork that the Nazi's stole ending up in the hands of "private collectors" here in the states. There was a story last year about someone finding a hidden room in a house in New York that hard stolen artwork in it.
@@TREK-WORLD it wasn't stolen at all, sold at a legal action along with a lot of "other" "The next generation stuff, the people who sold it had the "Right" to sell it, the people who bought it the same, if at the time Rodenberry ( who really needed $$$) could of gotten his hands on the 1701, it's fate would of been the same.
I think I may have spoken incorrectly. I meant to say that the "33 inch" model of the TOS Enterprise is the one the "disappeared". Not any of the other models that were sold at auction like the TNG items were.
@@TREK-WORLD ok, cool, that's the model I was wondering about, seen a few times in TOS, I know it was used in promo shots for TOS, after all these years of not seeing, kinda have my doubts about it's continued exsistance or it will show up some day on "Pawn Stars" or as a "Barn find".
@@earth2006 Ironically... if it ever were to show up, that would probably be how it would. It's kinda like that guy who found an actual NES/Playstation prototype in his family's attic. He had no idea what it was,
It's a great model but I never liked the filmed version of the TV series Enterprise. It was shot horribly. It looked like a cartoon most of the time and expended a lot of time and effort for a few quick shots that was used again and again. They should have used the same techniques that Irwin Allen used for Lost in Space - Most of the Jupiter 2 space sequences were top notch for the time period and hold up even today. Yes, some shots were reused (Irwin Allen was the Master of re-using footage) - but those shots - especially the J2 entering and leaving the Earth-like planets in the color versions were and still are magnificent.
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Although the large scale studio model was originally made and used as the Starship Reliant in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. it has been repeatedly used for over fifteen years by the producers of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine to represent a variety of different starships and classes.
I need to get to the Smithsonian and see her.
She’s currently in storage as they do some remodeling of the exhibit space. But I too, need to go back and see her at least one more time since the last restoration was done.
@@TREK-WORLD I haven't been for years. I do want to go back!
7:11 Space Seed was in season 1.
It sure was! I have no idea how I didn’t catch this back I recorded the VoiceOver.
I am working on a 8 foot Klingon D7:
ruclips.net/video/CIdgye_hTDQ/видео.html
The more I see the Connie, the more I like it rather than see it as an out-of-date design. It has really stood the test of time. Fashions have come and gone, but this design is timeless. I think Excalibur/Enterprise B and 1701-D and C are the designs that has not aged well at all in my opinion. TOS Connie, Refit and A, E and even NX-01 has aged really well and I like them all. I like D simply because it was TNG Enterprise, but as a design it is very 80's and looks dated today. I never really liked the Excalibur design, which was also used for the Enterprise B. It looked clumsy and it's neck looked like the neck of a stormtrooper. The black body suit they wear under their stormtrooper armour. The C lookd very hastily and cheaply done. As if they were under a tight budget and just kit bashed something together to fill the void between Enterprise B and D.
I think you may have touched on something here. I also find myself going back to the first one because it was timelessly graceful. Whereas, with all the others it seemed to me that they just simply asked themselves "how do we make it look bigger" without any thought really going into the resulting aesthetics.
@@TREK-WORLD Yes, TOS Connie and Refit/A has aged really well. Like fine wines. NX-01 and E still holds up and looks great. However I wonder if they will still do 50 years after they were designed? I guess we'll find out.
Excalibur/B, C and D in my opinion has not. Of course we are talking aestethics and taste here. There is no right and wrong, although Excalibur/B, C and D are heavily influenced by their decades in which they were designed. Even more so the interior. D is so much late 80's.
Yes I guess TOS Connies interior does look a bit dated and 60's sci-fi, but not it's exterior to the same degree. The interior is still somehow beautiful in it's simplicity. When I see the original bridge design in more up-to-date filmed fan productions, with just better lighting and such (but still same deisgn and colours) it still looks really good. Another thing I think they got right with the NX-01. It very much looks cramped, more bare metal, wiring, unpainted panels and such. Like it was from an earlier era than TOS Connie and the rest.
Surprisingly Defiant as well as D/, K'Tinga, Klingon BoP designs has all held up well. Maybe as they have gotten no newer designs, or when they have it was the ugly JJ Abrams designs as well as the Alex Kurtzman Discovery BoP designs which were hideous and looked nothing like the already existing ones. We did however get a new D7 design in Discovery, building on the previous deisgns and it was ugly in my opinion. Romulan Wardbird did get a new design in TNG/DS9 etc from it's early TOS Romulan Bird of Prey and it is/was beautiful. Yes, I know, BoP was originally meant to be Romulan Bird of Prey. So in a way the new Romulan BoP was beautiful, while the old TOS one is also still beautiful.
I guess with good designers with hands on buildsing and great respect and love for Star Trek design history, it is possible to update ship deisgns and still make them look good. Not like turds like all the Klingon ships in Discovery. Not to mention the ugly future versions of federation ships with floating nacelles and the ugly blocky future Voyager design. They scream, of generic video game designs only excisting in cgi and not as physical model designs.
3:00 Use a holdout mask for footage like that. Problem solved.
Reflective paint? That's not correct.
Yup! You're right!
The hull and saucer lights had been put in by that time. But the Nacelles had not been converted; and the final wiring had not been done by that time. In my case, it was an error in myresearch as I got side tracked when looking into the nacelles.
Isn't this thing in the Smithsonian now?
Yes it is. I actually have another video which I just released that goes into detail about the model and it's history in the Smithsonian.
The USS Enterprise at the Smithsonian’s Air and Space Museum is all screwed up. I have no idea why they painted the model, that looks nothing at all like the show. People need to be fired. Take a look.
Actually, I have a new video on my channel that covers that very topic!
Actually, it's very accurate to the original paint formulas. They were able to match the paints in areas that were covered up for years when they took her apart and found areas that didn't suffer from exposed aging. They were also able to determine the colors of various paint layers added since the Smithsonian got her, and they could get those added layers off.
Also, varying film stocks (mostly Ektachrome-based 35mm film stock on the mid-60s that had a blue bias) , multiple exposures, multiple compositing and varying color timing over the course of making the episodes over 3 years means that the final color on screen is nothing like how it looked in real life. No one can ever look at the color of the ship on screen and think - that's THE color. Heck, it looks different in every episode - even the same reused stock footage gives the ship a different tint from episode to episode. From white, to gray, to green, to blue, to even slightly purple. Which color to you want? How about the light concrete gray with hint of green that was finally established around 2010.
The color issue is something modelers have argued over for 50 some-odd years. You'd be surprised how accurate the final color is of the model as it looked just after the last bit of filming of it was done for "The Trouble with Tribbles". Also, the places where they found paint samples still available - such as a dab of paint on one of sheets of the design drawings Richard Datin still had along with the automotive paint sample chips.
One more thing - of all the areas of the ship that was restored over the years (there were 4 restorations by the Smithsonian - covered in another video) none of them changed the top of the saucer. The bridge cap and B/C deck was worked on, but the main vacuformed body of the saucer was never touched and retains the original colors, weathering, penciled gridlines, and main decals (ship name and big registration numbers). Only touching up any nicks in the surface or decals were done.
So this wasn’t real?
Very interesting details. I didn't know any of this.
Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It was not the left side of the model that was unfinished. It was the port side. ‘Cause its a model ship.
You're correct! My father was actually a sea captain, so I grew with port, starboard, bow, and stern (occasionally also referred to as aft).
So the first time I mentioned the unfinished side in the video I referred to it as "Port" and then explained it as being Left. From that point on I continued to use the more generic term.
@@TREK-WORLD You probably did say port first. I just heard left twice and was of course immediately moved to outrage.
@@marshalllindsay315 I love your sense of humor! So what is your background nautically? Navy, fisherman, merchant marine, etc. This is a topic I never imagined discussing in the channel. And that makes it all the more fun.
I knew I could never live on the sea as my father did. But I've watched every season of Deadliest Catch without fail because it reminds me of him and my childhood.
@@TREK-WORLD I'm afraid I have no nautical background. Mostly its an historical interest in nautical and airborne battles and disasters, it's working the tiller while trying to understand how the Stockholm and Andrea Doria could have made commanded turns into each other.
And learning how to drive a radio controlled car around twelve.