Great review. Thanks for the examples, I was on the fence and it looks like I found one at a local shop and will be picking it up this weekend. Your review relieved me of my sharpness concerns with the teleconverter.
Great job on a very practical review! With improvements in sharpness at smaller apertures, it opens things up for landscape pics as well, when you need a little more magnification. Still not sure if I'll go for the 1.4x or 2x, but I'm now confident both will do a solid job. Thanks, Joseph!
good review. I have both and also find at 400mm the lens is very sharp still. It's excellent. I'm waiting for the longer focal length lenses, but we're a year at least away, which is why I got the TC2. I have no F lenses.
Great review. I wish you had compared one more scenario: 200mm at 2x in Lightroom versus 400mm (with teleconverter) at one to one. This would tell us if the teleconverter gave more resolution than using the base lens and then enlarging the image. Sometimes converters can cause more loss in image sharpness than a base lens with magnification in post.
@Joseph Nuzzo: I guess you still do have the images right? So can you maybe upload the 70-200+TC2.0 at 400mm (so fully zoomed in) and the 70-200mm only at 200mm? Than we could check that ourselves :)
Definitely should compare the 200mm with TC-2.0X (400mm) vs the 200mm cropped in to match the field of view to show us how good the new x2 teleconverter is compared to its predecesor and if it's really a viable option now.
@@vickosis I bought the 2x TC today and tested it on my Z 70-200/2.8. The difference between no TC and digital crop VS TC and no crop is huge. You get a lot of more detail with the TC.
Yes I think I'll sell my 200-500 and get this 70-200 and 2.0TC instead...a lot more usability, faster autofocus, and the sharpness with the TC is breathtaking!
Great detailed review. I think the 2X, Z Mount teleconverter is well worth investing in, for the Z mount 70-200 f2.8 lens. Thanks for your help Joe. 👍😎📸👋
It'll be interesting to see if the corners fare as well, but promising results. For more control outside, you could flag the chart and use a strobe. This would make your life easier in post and give a more consistent result. Thanks for going to the trouble and getting this out so soon. Lots of folks interested in this. My 1.4 should be delivered today, and hoping for the 2.0 soon. The 70-200mm S is fantastic and these converters will make it more useful for birding and such.
thank you very much for this test series. Ive literally sold all my D850 + F mount lenses and gone with Z7 II + 24-200 lens (also 14-30) and although as a lanscape photographer I think these 2 lenses cover my needs - and you are correct in that as yet no Z mount 400mm yet; so a converter was my next browse. NICE work here .... I think you have demonstrated that its prety good - so its now on my wish list :) I occassionaly dip into wild life so a x2 converter will pos be added to my bag.
Thanks for the review. I'm looking to get the 70-200 to replace my Tamron G2 version and I'm trying decide if it would be worth trading in the 200-500 and getting the teleconverter to replace the extra reach which I will lose. I do mostly wildlife, birds in flight, etc.
Joe - Do you plan on making a responsiveness vs. latency test? Aside from sharpness, I think the other factor that might affect a buying decision is if the TC, at 2.x, negatively impacts focus responsiveness (ie, is it hunting more or is it up to par with the lens' mechanism). Thanks a bundle for sharing your findings.
Thank you for the really good review. I was just wondering if the tc affects to the lens’ T-stop value as the spider chart looks systematically darker in the sample images. Is someone able to answer to this?
Yes, less light thru lens with the TC. That's the nature of all TCs. Video creator should have adjusted shutter speed by one or two stops for apples to apples comparison.
I just got the 200-400mm Nikon Z mount lens..I also bought this 2x z mount converter and the lens doesn't communicate with my z6 camera...what is the problem??
If they can make a 2x magnifier, why can’t they make a 0.5x magnifier? Would turn a 70-200 into a 35-100 plus gain a stop of light if I understand it correctly. That would make it so much easier to have 1 go-to lens with a couple of converters
It's a lot of money, not much change out of £600 here in the UK. Maybe they will do some deals like they did with the F mount 200 - 500. when they sold the 1.4TC and lens together, along with cashback. I didn't really want to sell my 200-500, but might if Nikon bring out a Z mount 100 - 600.
"The Z TELECONVERTER TC-2.0x can turn a telephoto lens into a macro-style powerhouse. It maintains the close focusing capability of NIKKOR Z lenses while enlarging the reproduction ratio by 2.0x that of the main lens. When used with NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S, for example, you can zoom in to 400mm from just 3.28 feet away to reveal the tiniest details."
In my opinion, I think that the sharpening products in Lightroom, Topaz, or PS are more than capable of restoring any loss in sharpness. Thanks for watching!
nice presentation even if i prefer to see birds than target :-) i have a z6ii and a Z 70-200 F/2.8. Does it make a 140-400 or only 280-400 ? doesn't it work on Z20mm, Z35mm, Z50mm, Z85mm, Z24-70 F/2.8 ??? You mentioned 1 stop so F/2.8 becomes F/4 not F/5.6. correct ?
If you bought the 2x teleconverter you would have a 140 to 400 at f/5.6. 1 stop of light loss would be the 1.4 tele and both ONLY work with the Z 70-200 f/2.8 lens at this time. It is the physical construction of the lens that creates the constraint.
Iv watched alot of youtube videos explaining that the 2.0 teleconverter z produces alot less image quality then 1.4 teleconverter z? Can you attest to that
I do not have a 1.4 and I don't really see the reason to. It gives only marginally more magnification. Turns the 200 into 280 at the long side. Not worth it in my opinion.
Do i understand it right that i can use this 2.0x Converter with a Nikon Z 7 with the 24 - 70 mm f / 4 ? That would make my Kit Lens 48 - 140 mm f / 4 ? By the way i am german Not the best English 🤭 And grest Channel i will Sub 👍🏽🍀
I've been in situations shooting concerts or sports for the press where we were stuck so far away we need the extra reach and then a crop. So for me, it is always in my bag. It really just depends on the situation and the distance.
@@ShutterSpeak that’s the one - I’m about to finally jump ship and upgrade from D750 to Z6 II I do have a lot of F glass so we’ll see what I do re FTZ and x converters. Thanks for video
Hi David - thatnks for watching and commenting. The price of the teleconverter (and lenses) is substantial. So it should not come with a dish towel for a case. If you bought any other brand it would come with a cushioned protective case. That is why it is a sore spot for many including myself.
Is the pouch your primary interest or is it optical quality? I'd like to have a better pouch too but finally, this is really not the main reason for a being decision.
Personally, I own it because it doubles the length of my lens without carrying around a second lens that would cost $2500 or more. But I shoot professionally so it makes a lot of sense for me. If you don't ever need a 400mm lens, than it isn't right for you. I have been in situations where I suddenly needed it and got shots that other people did not. There will be other lenses in the future that use this teleconverter as well. So it is a personal decision.
@@ShutterSpeak I have no argument with the versatility of the converter JUST the fact it is ONLY compatible with 70 200 a $2000 plus lens and no idea what if any future lenses will be compatible. as a retired individual, I can just plop down 2000 plus bucks and then add the converter to cost. it's a one lens wonder for the foreseeable future
IMO, the 2.0x really isn't for the Z 70-200 f2.8. Its just the only lens available now that can potentially use it. Its really for the longer reach primes (if they ever come). I can see using a Z 70-200 f2.8 with the 1.4x, but not with the 2.0x. You are better off waiting for the Z 100-400 if you need beyond 280mm. Its not a personal choice. The Z 100-400 will just be better, and you really don't give up that much on the wider end. The Z 100-400 will also probably be fine with the 1.4x, as will the Z 200-600. But with the 2.0x not really. That TC is really just for the long reach primes. Zero reason to buy it right now.
@@KungPowEnterFist When I was shooting for the press the 2.0 tele was always a great compliment to the 70-200. The same holds true in the mirrorless world. It is light weight, easy to carry, and can double the length of the lens. Additionally, there are no long reach primes at all on the lens roadmap, so I wouldn't wait for that. Just my thoughts.
Great review. Thanks for the examples, I was on the fence and it looks like I found one at a local shop and will be picking it up this weekend. Your review relieved me of my sharpness concerns with the teleconverter.
Thanks so much for this vid:) The loss of sharpness is almost invicible. You convinced me. Now I think It’s worth purchasing👍
Glad it was helpful!
Great job on a very practical review! With improvements in sharpness at smaller apertures, it opens things up for landscape pics as well, when you need a little more magnification. Still not sure if I'll go for the 1.4x or 2x, but I'm now confident both will do a solid job. Thanks, Joseph!
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching.
@@ShutterSpeak Do you have an answer to the question above about 200 mm cropped vs 400 mm with TC?😊 Fantastic review btw!
good review. I have both and also find at 400mm the lens is very sharp still. It's excellent. I'm waiting for the longer focal length lenses, but we're a year at least away, which is why I got the TC2. I have no F lenses.
Thanks for sharing!
waiting for mine to be delivered, thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching.
Great review. I wish you had compared one more scenario: 200mm at 2x in Lightroom versus 400mm (with teleconverter) at one to one. This would tell us if the teleconverter gave more resolution than using the base lens and then enlarging the image. Sometimes converters can cause more loss in image sharpness than a base lens with magnification in post.
@Joseph Nuzzo: I guess you still do have the images right? So can you maybe upload the 70-200+TC2.0 at 400mm (so fully zoomed in) and the 70-200mm only at 200mm? Than we could check that ourselves :)
This is the one piece of info I'm looking for, as it seems it isn't covered I will stop watching
Definitely should compare the 200mm with TC-2.0X (400mm) vs the 200mm cropped in to match the field of view to show us how good the new x2 teleconverter is compared to its predecesor and if it's really a viable option now.
Anyone found out?😊
@@vickosis I bought the 2x TC today and tested it on my Z 70-200/2.8. The difference between no TC and digital crop VS TC and no crop is huge. You get a lot of more detail with the TC.
Yes I think I'll sell my 200-500 and get this 70-200 and 2.0TC instead...a lot more usability, faster autofocus, and the sharpness with the TC is breathtaking!
I was really impressed as well. Thanks for watching!
Great detailed review. I think the 2X, Z Mount teleconverter is well worth investing in, for the Z mount 70-200 f2.8 lens. Thanks for your help Joe. 👍😎📸👋
It'll be interesting to see if the corners fare as well, but promising results. For more control outside, you could flag the chart and use a strobe. This would make your life easier in post and give a more consistent result. Thanks for going to the trouble and getting this out so soon. Lots of folks interested in this. My 1.4 should be delivered today, and hoping for the 2.0 soon. The 70-200mm S is fantastic and these converters will make it more useful for birding and such.
Thank you for the comment - I hope you found the information helpful.
thx for the excellent test! That makes my decision! 👌🏼Greetings from Germany
Glad I could help!
I bought the 2X TC to use with my 2.8 70-200 on Z6II. I agree this TC works amazing with that lens.
Heck I am now thinking of buying one! Thanks for the great review!
Thank you and thanks for the comment :-)
Very good comparison I may get the converter and the 70-200 f2.8
thank you very much for this test series. Ive literally sold all my D850 + F mount lenses and gone with Z7 II + 24-200 lens (also 14-30) and although as a lanscape photographer I think these 2 lenses cover my needs - and you are correct in that as yet no Z mount 400mm yet; so a converter was my next browse. NICE work here .... I think you have demonstrated that its prety good - so its now on my wish list :)
I occassionaly dip into wild life so a x2 converter will pos be added to my bag.
I'm glad this video helped you out. Thanks for commenting!
Excellent advice and video
Thank you.
@@ShutterSpeak more than welcome
Thanks for the test, thumbs up for your shirt.
Many thanks.
Thanks for the review. I'm looking to get the 70-200 to replace my Tamron G2 version and I'm trying decide if it would be worth trading in the 200-500 and getting the teleconverter to replace the extra reach which I will lose. I do mostly wildlife, birds in flight, etc.
I haven’t tested the lens orthe combo yet, but if I was in your position, I would be very tempted to let the 200-500 go in the exchange.
Jeffrey, I'm in the same exact boat.
Thank you. Excellent video
Joe - Do you plan on making a responsiveness vs. latency test? Aside from sharpness, I think the other factor that might affect a buying decision is if the TC, at 2.x, negatively impacts focus responsiveness (ie, is it hunting more or is it up to par with the lens' mechanism). Thanks a bundle for sharing your findings.
Yes - this is something I am thinking about. Others have asked this as well.
Got mine.
Could you review a comparison using the 70-180 f2.8 Nikon Z lens with each teleconverter?
If only I had the other one... 😉
Great review 👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it
can this be used with a FTZ adapter and the older 70-200 Nikon 2.8 lens?
thanks. i want to by the z 100-400 with the z tc-2.0, and our review help me to make the decision.
Thanks for watching !
Thank you for the really good review. I was just wondering if the tc affects to the lens’ T-stop value as the spider chart looks systematically darker in the sample images. Is someone able to answer to this?
Yes, less light thru lens with the TC. That's the nature of all TCs. Video creator should have adjusted shutter speed by one or two stops for apples to apples comparison.
I just got the 200-400mm Nikon Z mount lens..I also bought this 2x z mount converter and the lens doesn't communicate with my z6 camera...what is the problem??
Very helpful Video.
I wouldn't consider the differences s minor.
It looks like the New Z TC is less impressive than the new Z lenses...
@RoyBixby : Joseph calls the TC "outstanding" and I have to agree.
If they can make a 2x magnifier, why can’t they make a 0.5x magnifier? Would turn a 70-200 into a 35-100 plus gain a stop of light if I understand it correctly. That would make it so much easier to have 1 go-to lens with a couple of converters
It's a lot of money, not much change out of £600 here in the UK. Maybe they will do some
deals like they did with the F mount 200 - 500. when they sold the 1.4TC and lens together, along with cashback. I didn't really want to sell my 200-500, but might if Nikon bring out a Z mount 100 - 600.
Hello Joseph, Thanks.
can you confirm that the close focus distance hasn't changes? What is the maximum reproduction scale?
"The Z TELECONVERTER TC-2.0x can turn a telephoto lens into a macro-style powerhouse. It maintains the close focusing capability of NIKKOR Z lenses while enlarging the reproduction ratio by 2.0x that of the main lens. When used with NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S, for example, you can zoom in to 400mm from just 3.28 feet away to reveal the tiniest details."
Given the small loss of sharpness when using the Z 2.0 TC, do you believe you can recover that sharpness in post processing?
In my opinion, I think that the sharpening products in Lightroom, Topaz, or PS are more than capable of restoring any loss in sharpness. Thanks for watching!
nice presentation even if i prefer to see birds than target :-)
i have a z6ii and a Z 70-200 F/2.8. Does it make a 140-400 or only 280-400 ?
doesn't it work on Z20mm, Z35mm, Z50mm, Z85mm, Z24-70 F/2.8 ???
You mentioned 1 stop so F/2.8 becomes F/4 not F/5.6. correct ?
If you bought the 2x teleconverter you would have a 140 to 400 at f/5.6. 1 stop of light loss would be the 1.4 tele and both ONLY work with the Z 70-200 f/2.8 lens at this time. It is the physical construction of the lens that creates the constraint.
Is there a possibility to use 2 teleconverter in combination to get 4x ?
No that’s not possible
Iv watched alot of youtube videos explaining that the 2.0 teleconverter z produces alot less image quality then 1.4 teleconverter z? Can you attest to that
I do not have a 1.4 and I don't really see the reason to. It gives only marginally more magnification. Turns the 200 into 280 at the long side. Not worth it in my opinion.
How does it impact focus speed
Great question - The teleconverter didn't seem to impact focus speed. I noticed no difference when switching from with and without.
@@ShutterSpeak thanks
May I use this teleconverter with Nikon d750 and 200-500mm
No sir. It works with the Nikon Z camera only.
It is a shame this can't be used with the 50 -250 lense. Will nikon produce a teleconvertor for that lense ?
Hi, what remote do you use?
Mostly Snapbridge
Can you used a spacer. Then put the teleconverter, so can used other lenses?
No sir.
so if I get a 85 prime, it would lose one stop, still be sharp though?
The teleconverter will not work on that lens
Do i understand it right that i can use this 2.0x Converter with a Nikon Z 7 with the 24 - 70 mm f / 4 ? That would make my Kit Lens 48 - 140 mm f / 4 ? By the way i am german Not the best English 🤭 And grest Channel i will Sub 👍🏽🍀
No - you can not use it with that lens. As of right now, only the 70-200 f/2.8.
Paid for,now if they would only SHIP IT
when you ordered did the seller give you an estimated ship date or just "on backorder" or even worse say in stock but not actually in stock ?
@@DeanJohnson67 when I ordered it it was new product coming soon,then follow up with back order.
Do you think shooting without TC and just upscale the picture in Post would be a big loss?
I've been in situations shooting concerts or sports for the press where we were stuck so far away we need the extra reach and then a crop. So for me, it is always in my bag. It really just depends on the situation and the distance.
it will work with the z50?
Yes - as long as you have a compatible lens - right now the Z 70-200 f/2.8
surely one stop from 2.8 is F4 not 5.6?
That is correct - there is a two stop loss. So f/5.6 - I think there is a point in the video where I mistakenly say one stop.
@@ShutterSpeak that’s the one - I’m about to finally jump ship and upgrade from D750 to Z6 II I do have a lot of F glass so we’ll see what I do re FTZ and x converters. Thanks for video
The af is still good?
It is very good - yes.
A test inside a more controlled environment would have been better.
Or less controlled, like real life to see if in the real world there is any discernible difference.
Does this mean we don’t need 100-400 any more ?
The carrying case,if it can be called that sits in my garage next to the rest neatly stored on a shelf.Why it is a sore spot with anyone is amusing.
Hi David - thatnks for watching and commenting. The price of the teleconverter (and lenses) is substantial. So it should not come with a dish towel for a case. If you bought any other brand it would come with a cushioned protective case. That is why it is a sore spot for many including myself.
All of my lens cases are I know not where? My lenses stay nicely in camera bags.
Still using the CHEAP pouch!!!!! Sigma is much better in this department.
I completely agree!
Is the pouch your primary interest or is it optical quality? I'd like to have a better pouch too but finally, this is really not the main reason for a being decision.
if it only works with 2.8 70 - 200 why get it
Personally, I own it because it doubles the length of my lens without carrying around a second lens that would cost $2500 or more. But I shoot professionally so it makes a lot of sense for me. If you don't ever need a 400mm lens, than it isn't right for you. I have been in situations where I suddenly needed it and got shots that other people did not. There will be other lenses in the future that use this teleconverter as well. So it is a personal decision.
@@ShutterSpeak I have no argument with the versatility of the converter JUST the fact it is ONLY compatible with 70 200 a $2000 plus lens and no idea what if any future lenses will be compatible. as a retired individual, I can just plop down 2000 plus bucks and then add the converter to cost. it's a one lens wonder for the foreseeable future
@@daviddye7743 It will work with the 100-400 when released and the 200-600 as well. But for now, yes, a one hit wonder.
IMO, the 2.0x really isn't for the Z 70-200 f2.8. Its just the only lens available now that can potentially use it. Its really for the longer reach primes (if they ever come). I can see using a Z 70-200 f2.8 with the 1.4x, but not with the 2.0x. You are better off waiting for the Z 100-400 if you need beyond 280mm. Its not a personal choice. The Z 100-400 will just be better, and you really don't give up that much on the wider end. The Z 100-400 will also probably be fine with the 1.4x, as will the Z 200-600. But with the 2.0x not really. That TC is really just for the long reach primes. Zero reason to buy it right now.
@@KungPowEnterFist When I was shooting for the press the 2.0 tele was always a great compliment to the 70-200. The same holds true in the mirrorless world. It is light weight, easy to carry, and can double the length of the lens. Additionally, there are no long reach primes at all on the lens roadmap, so I wouldn't wait for that. Just my thoughts.