@@lulcy789 I already know most of these things from other TSV videos so nothing surprised me. But they make it very interesting even for non-musicians😄
1. Do not play concertos 2. Show up 15-30 minutes early 3. Do not look at the winds players when they have a solo 4. Bring a pencil and eraser to rehearsal 5. Do not talk behind people's Bachs 6. The inside player always turns the page 7. Practice before the first rehearsal 8. Watch for bow marking and changes 9. Listen, blend in and watch the conductor 10. Don't talk to your deskie too much
Would love an episode about how you balance your personal/professional lives. With all your touring and practicing, how do you make sure that you’re taking care of yourself and leaving time for your other goals and interests?
Incredible question! Fantastic! I'd love to hear about this as well. Perhaps get a nice vlog to invite fans to tag along for a few moments here and there during a busy week. You know, like they did during the making of their "Fantasia", a short film.
Oh, another really good one: when someone in your section has a solo, DO NOT FINGER ALONG WITH THEM....that is SO annoying! It's like you're a vulture, waiting for them to miss so you can jump right in. Also, don't hold up rehearsal by asking questions of the conductor that your section leader can probably answer....at least ask them first, or let them ask the conductor. And if it's specific to your instrument, ask the conductor during the break, so you don't waste everyone's time.
Basically, do what will help the orchestra to succeed, including being pleasant to work with. And as much as you don't want to gossip with the other players, do NOT gossip with the pianist. We know EVERYONE. 🙂
21:57 as a choir singing, I can relate to the blending, we practice that A LOT. And when I was in the audience for the Wiener Filharmoniker and Symfoniker in Musikverein, one of the quality markers for me was that the violins all sounded as one, one gigantically projecting violin, with the cleanest sound I have ever heard
My High School band director would say to us "if you're early, you're on time. If you're on time, you're late." to impress upon us to always show up to class and performances early enough to get ready and sit down.
Also an episode on the art of practising in general. How to practise smart, efficient and effective and how you could schedule a practise session, in order for it to be all that. And not countless hours of mindless repetition with no progress. Especially because everyone tells you "to go practise" but no one teaches you, HOW to actually practise, in order to achieve the best possible results, in as little time as possible. Since it is so difficult to master practising and additionally having few guidelines on how to be smart about it, it would be very interesting to hear your thoughts, experiences, knowledge and wisdom on it. Love you guys❤
If you get a magnet ring for your pencil you can leave the pencil stuck on your music stand and never forget it. Plus there are magnets that also have a rubber coating. You can stick the pencil to the music stand from below which will make turning the pages easier.
Would love for you guys to talk about your process in coming up with video ideas. Who's idea was violin charades? What's your favorite type of video to produce and why? What goes into putting these awesome videos together for us viewers and what have you learned along the way?
Omg my clarinet section needs to hear the “don’t talk behind other people’s backs”. My band didn’t have a bass clarinet so I was assigned to it this year and sucked because it’s a bunch of different technique and they basically ostracized me and refused to even look at me, and I’m the director’s favorite. Lol.
If you have several bars of rests before a page turn (maybe even with meter changes), copy them to the top of the next page. That way, you can turn the page early and still safely count up to your next entry without forgetting how many and what kinds of rests you have.
Yes. I always do this when typesetting parts. If there are several multi-bar rests, the page turn should be after the first set. If the rests are | --7- | - 16 - | - 16 - | - 8 - |, there will be more anxiety if it's | --7- | - 16 - | - 16 - | page-turn | - 8 - |. Much kinder to have | --7- | page-turn | - 16 - | - 16 - | - 8 - |, and preferably some sort of reassurance cue at the top of the page, even if it's just the name of the prominent instrument. Not all copyists have enough time to be kind!
I think exploring about what you should do on your first day, first week and first month in orchestra could be interesting. This could include deductions on the paycheck, preparing for your first concert, concert dress, guest conductors, and performing with choirs and soloists.
to add to the tip about bringing a pencil/eraser- bring extras. literally the quickest way to make friends if someone forgets theirs and you save their ass lol
My biggest tip: Try to start in an amateur orchestra as early as possible. Don't wait until you have to sit in a professional one. A youth orchestra is much more relaxed about these things and you can get the experience without the drama.
Could hardly wait until I could take my daughter to school today. Now I finally have some time to enjoy this podcast. I just love how Brett and Eddy are role models for everyone, not only about classical music and practice, but also being authentic and creating an encouraging, constructive, non-toxic environment. Keep up the good work guys, and also take care of yourself 💜
14:25 What a great story about Eddie and the kind concert master defending him to the conductor! That would be my worst nightmare though...you think you're safe in the back and then getting dropped up front with the concert master!!!
As someone who has a habit of turning my head towards the speaker in a conversation automatically (Trauma habit), it lays over in my behavior-in-orchestra habits and makes me the stinker who looks at the woodwinds during rehearsal when they have solos-though it doesn’t show through in concerts.
Sat near a harpist for many years in a pro orchestra. You may put your extra set of strings in a jacket pocket, but the harpist puts extra strings in that bag on stage, along with Tibet Almond Stick to take care of all the dings and nicks the instrument get when being moved, and a dust cloth because they don't get to clean this instrument at home.
Would love an episode or segment with advice for people learning later in life (20s/30s), people who didn't get to go to music school or get a lot of musical education growing up. Things for them to practice, skill wise. Things for them to study, music theory wise. Things like that. Loved this episode, keep 'em coming 👍
Honestly, I’d listen to any topic you guys decide to feature! It would be really cool to hear your opinions on music school and youth orchestra, though. I’m in youth orchestra and I’m curious about your experiences. Much love!
"that was super intense" "he send a message" a professional musician played the next phrase of a concerto.. "super intense". But in the movie adaptation : Duel!! Two string players fighting with bows!!
Super duper love love love this new podcast channel! So awesome getting to just listen to the gained wisdom that both of you have had over the years. Very valuable information and lessons. Thank you both, Brett & Eddy. Really appreciate your valuable time and shared knowledge and years of experience. Sending warm hugs filled with love and encouragement. 🫂💕💯🎻🎻🥰🥰
I would love to hear more "nerding out about music"-type discussions. It's always fun to hear people talk about what they're most passionate about and what they're currently discovering!
thank you guys so much for this!! i’m studying violin performance for college this fall and although i’ve played in youth orchestras since middle school, i’m so nervous about college orchestra 😭😭 wish me luck
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately, but it’s difficult to put it into words. I’d love to hear more stories about your experiences. And not just yours, but the personal stories of other musicians as well. To hear these behind the scenes stories, somehow makes me understand the music better. I’m not a musician, but as a dancer I have worked with a lot of (middle eastern) musicians. Knowing these people and the difficulties they are facing, made me better understand what is going on onstage during a middle eastern concert. Until I discovered your channel I always saw a symphony orchestra as a body of anonymous persons just doing their job. That changed. I went to listen to some symphonies lately and it is much more relatable to me now. Your little stories in many videos made me understand better the people who play the music. And that makes the music more enjoyable to me. I don’t know if this makes sense to you.
I worked for a professional orchestra before. You can sit "7th chair" second violins and still be literally 3 feet from the conductor because the seatings were circular position, and right behind us were the oboe, flute, etc. You can't hide.
it`s so interesting to hear your experiences, especially when i`m not involved in all these things so i`m not familiar with how the orchestra works, please talk more🙏🙏
Even if youre not in Orchestra and just a musician in orchestra but still want to be professional these tipps are so important and as you can also hear by their story that sometimes you get these lessons a bit late and then have awkward or embarassing moments that could have been averted
Love these podcasts ! It would be interesting to have the same format but with tips for music university ! how to prepare for the audition, how to organise your schedule between classes and practicing but still having a life on the side (lol), etc.
Such a great episode! Even in high school, I got flashbacks of most of the tips you guys said. I don't know if you guys will read this but I would really love another episode like this. Personally, I'm a recently graduated high school going into university for music this year, and I think it would be really helpful for not just me but other musicians as well for more tips. Love your videos!
I'M SO HAPPY!! And the timing is so perfect because I just finished Episode 1 this morning. Then I was like, "ohh it's been two months. I wonder when Twoset will upload a new episode 😢" . Then here we are!! You guys read my mind 😭
Loved this one too! It's always fun to hear some new anecdotes from your orchestra days (or more details about anecdotes we already knew about). I've not played in orchestra much, but as an amateur choir singer, a lot of this is really relatable!
You know, a lot of what you say not only applies to Orchestral rehearsals, but also anything that has a group of musicians coming together, like choir... tho I must say, we have the privilege of having our own scores, so a big thing is - remember to bring your scores!
I have some: stop playing when the conductor cuts everyone off....don't be those people who just keep going on and on. One for woodwind players is, be aware of the tuning tendencies of the other instruments you're playing with, particularly the other woodwinds, so you can adjust intonation on specific notes that you know are problematic. And when you have a duet passage with another player, like bass clarinet and bassoon in the grandfather music in Nutcracker, make sure you balance, because the dynamic marking is ff, but the bass clarinet can play much louder, so the bass will have to come down a little so we hear both instruments' colors in that passage.
Hurray!! I really hope there gonna be more orchestra-talks! Btw, about the last one, don't you ever talk ON STAGE because literally everyone can see that, even if you are in winds section(and maybe hear too if there are some mics around) ☠☠☠
I’d like to hear about how you prepare for a lesson. I don’t mean practice that week; that’s obvious. What I mean is, in like the hour or so before your lesson what are you doing? Do you do a basic warm up? Go over the pieces? Make a list of problem areas? How do you prepare to get the most out of the lesson time?
Loved it. It's a rare insight into professional orchestras... and funnily enough... in our community orchestra it's so similar! I always get SO annoyed with the two girls that NEVER bring a pencil.
… and the reverse. If you have no more music left, don't just relax down into your seat and switch off while the conductor is still working with other people. (I'm looking at you, choral singers!) Wait for the conductor to release the atmosphere.
On point 1: I've also seen a situation where a horn player kept flexing with the Strauss till Uilenspiegel horn solo during every break and before rehearsal. Eventually the conductor pointed it out to them, couples with the fact that they're destroying their stamina by constantly doing that. Which would not benefit the quality of the concert to come.
On the page turning: I see it increasingly more often that the outside person turns the page because its so much easier for them to reach it since they sit on the side where the page is, that needs to be turned. Its an exception ofc with the concertmaster or section leaders since they still need to lead the orchestra/section.
This had me giggling and remembering my first symphonic orchestra rehearsals in school where the brass would play and the strings would really want to turn around and look back at us! LOL bless.
Thank you Brett and Eddy for sharing this! As a professional violinist, I 100% agree with all of these, and it is really unfortunate that they dont teach a lot of this in school. So much of it is just learning on the job, making mistakes, and paying your dues. The only thing I would add here is to NOT OVERMARK YOUR MUSIC. This comes with experience but it’s a nightmare for the music librarian to try and erase so it’s kind of rude, but especially if you are sharing a stand, it can be SO distracting to your standpartner and unnecessary. Fingerings, notes from the conductor, that’s all you need. You don’t need to circle every little thing or write entire sentences. Also as you navigate further into the professional world, you will become more accustomed to conductor egos. Especially if you are in the last few stands of a section, watching the conductor is SO important and they will absolutely call you out on it! Even if they are awful and watching them just confuses you more, pretend that you are. 😂
one time in wind ensemble a large amount of the group (but most notably the trumpets) were just talking, talking, talking as the director had been discussing the piece. they were all oblivious to anything he was saying, but he wasn't gonna stop for them. that piece opens with a forte-piano timpani roll for two measures before the rest of the ensemble comes in. so everyone is talking, talking, talking, and i'm just sitting there...mallets ready, grin on my face as i'm watching the director and waiting... my friend over in 1st clarinets knew, she was grinning back at me across the room and trying not to laugh cuz she knew exactly what was gonna happen. so the director kinda glances at the trumpets, looks at me...gives the downbeat... yeah all those ppl talking JUMPED out of their seats when i played. it was great.
I'm an amateur violinist and choral singer - nowhere near professional, I just play for fun. But I was nodding along when you talked about blending with other sections. I taught myself, almost by accident, to listen to the other sections while playing in a community string orchestra as a teenager. I found that skill applicable to choir as well, and I'm always baffled when other people can't do it, or don't think to do it. You're playing in a group, you should be listening to that group!
I played multiple instruments before trying voice. And same thing with me - I would listen to others. But also I was better at sight reading. The college professor said it’s because many singers practice by listening to music online and singing along - even at the college level many can’t look at a B and know the note in their head. So naturally I was one of the “leaders” of my section even though it was my first time singing.
I would love to hear about your relationship with literature. What type of literature you like/dislike, book recommendations (music-related & others)... Writing music. This comes from author-to-be who is beginner pianist. Where does it start, are there any character arcs or structures to write it (like Aristothelic structure in drama/literature), "genres", which are your favorites to write, how you express some things/feels with music. And/or writing in general. Continuing with the theme of one your older videos: if especially your violin would be a person, what kind of they might be. And relationship with your violin(s).
Not even a musician but here I am, listening to a half an hour podcast about surviving in orchestra.
😂😂😂
Same😂😂
Lollll genuine question what is it like hearing this stuff, does anything surprise you or is everything kind of what you’d expect?
Why? 😂
@@lulcy789 I already know most of these things from other TSV videos so nothing surprised me. But they make it very interesting even for non-musicians😄
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(I don’t care what y’all talk abt on here this is my therapy
NO WAYY 💯💯
yasss I love listening to them talk
JOKES ON YOU I DON'T SLEEP!!
(Also, agreed
Yeah I need to recover after that April fools video
Yasssssssssss don't sleep
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1. Do not play concertos
2. Show up 15-30 minutes early
3. Do not look at the winds players when they have a solo
4. Bring a pencil and eraser to rehearsal
5. Do not talk behind people's Bachs
6. The inside player always turns the page
7. Practice before the first rehearsal
8. Watch for bow marking and changes
9. Listen, blend in and watch the conductor
10. Don't talk to your deskie too much
Thxxxx
Good use of Bach there
11.Tune up then shut up ! That is all that I remember from my school orchestra days.
Me, a vocalist: yes this is very important for me to know
My orchestra will play pieces that have a choir part this session. Never done that before. Perhaps the choir won’t have done it before either then.
oui oui indeeed
So, to sum up: don't be late and have 20 eyes to be able to look at everyone and everything at once
And twenty ears to hear everyone around you, outside your own section
*ahem* 40 eyes lol
Biblically accurate concertmaster.
Would love an episode about how you balance your personal/professional lives. With all your touring and practicing, how do you make sure that you’re taking care of yourself and leaving time for your other goals and interests?
hmmm I’d also love an episode about that!!!
Incredible question! Fantastic! I'd love to hear about this as well. Perhaps get a nice vlog to invite fans to tag along for a few moments here and there during a busy week. You know, like they did during the making of their "Fantasia", a short film.
Oh, another really good one: when someone in your section has a solo, DO NOT FINGER ALONG WITH THEM....that is SO annoying! It's like you're a vulture, waiting for them to miss so you can jump right in. Also, don't hold up rehearsal by asking questions of the conductor that your section leader can probably answer....at least ask them first, or let them ask the conductor. And if it's specific to your instrument, ask the conductor during the break, so you don't waste everyone's time.
Also DON'T WARM UP WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S SOLO BEFORE REHEARSAL!!!
Would love to hear you each talk about some of your favorite pieces in depth and why they are your favorite.
yes this!
oooh I agree
Yes, orchestral survival guide part 2 please!
agreeeed
Yup, absolutely! Part two, pleeeeaaaasee!
yes yes yes!
yes please!
I thought Eddy's first tip would be to make sure you're not late. 😂
hahahahhaha that would’ve been ironic
I thought it'd be to bring your instrument haha
@@ciara03 lmaoooo that too
hahaha!!!
Or, remember to bring your instrument
Basically, do what will help the orchestra to succeed, including being pleasant to work with.
And as much as you don't want to gossip with the other players, do NOT gossip with the pianist. We know EVERYONE. 🙂
oof ok I’ll have to remember that
YOO I WAS LITERALLY THINKING “why did they abandon this podcast :(“ YESTERDAY
smeeee I was like “when r they gonna do another episode?”
NO SAME
haha yep!! me too
I cant believe that Vio-kelele apology video. Absolute savages
lmaooo and canon in d😂
21:57 as a choir singing, I can relate to the blending, we practice that A LOT. And when I was in the audience for the Wiener Filharmoniker and Symfoniker in Musikverein, one of the quality markers for me was that the violins all sounded as one, one gigantically projecting violin, with the cleanest sound I have ever heard
My High School band director would say to us "if you're early, you're on time. If you're on time, you're late." to impress upon us to always show up to class and performances early enough to get ready and sit down.
Also an episode on the art of practising in general.
How to practise smart, efficient and effective and how you could schedule a practise session, in order for it to be all that. And not countless hours of mindless repetition with no progress.
Especially because everyone tells you "to go practise" but no one teaches you, HOW to actually practise, in order to achieve the best possible results, in as little time as possible.
Since it is so difficult to master practising and additionally having few guidelines on how to be smart about it, it would be very interesting to hear your thoughts, experiences, knowledge and wisdom on it. Love you guys❤
If you get a magnet ring for your pencil you can leave the pencil stuck on your music stand and never forget it. Plus there are magnets that also have a rubber coating. You can stick the pencil to the music stand from below which will make turning the pages easier.
Would love for you guys to talk about your process in coming up with video ideas. Who's idea was violin charades? What's your favorite type of video to produce and why? What goes into putting these awesome videos together for us viewers and what have you learned along the way?
Omg my clarinet section needs to hear the “don’t talk behind other people’s backs”. My band didn’t have a bass clarinet so I was assigned to it this year and sucked because it’s a bunch of different technique and they basically ostracized me and refused to even look at me, and I’m the director’s favorite. Lol.
That sucks😢 I had that happen too.
ooooff that must have sucked
Bass clarinet is a really cool sounding instrument though. You are too cool for those very basic clarinet players
@@M_SCit honestly is such a cool instrument. It sounds very round and warm
@@M_SC Fr, such a unique timbre
4:52 random noise and Brett's quick witted response by giving Eddy's flexing time
Eddy’s gotta flex his perfect pitch anywhere and anytime, as a person with perfect pitch, I’m guilty of flexing it everywhere 😅
He got it wrong it was a D natural imo
If you have several bars of rests before a page turn (maybe even with meter changes), copy them to the top of the next page. That way, you can turn the page early and still safely count up to your next entry without forgetting how many and what kinds of rests you have.
Yes. I always do this when typesetting parts. If there are several multi-bar rests, the page turn should be after the first set. If the rests are | --7- | - 16 - | - 16 - | - 8 - |, there will be more anxiety if it's | --7- | - 16 - | - 16 - | page-turn | - 8 - |. Much kinder to have | --7- | page-turn | - 16 - | - 16 - | - 8 - |, and preferably some sort of reassurance cue at the top of the page, even if it's just the name of the prominent instrument. Not all copyists have enough time to be kind!
I think exploring about what you should do on your first day, first week and first month in orchestra could be interesting. This could include deductions on the paycheck, preparing for your first concert, concert dress, guest conductors, and performing with choirs and soloists.
Ooh this would be very interesting!!
I knew Twoset Talks would be back. Quality over quantity, and I totally approve.
yayayayaya I agree these videos are very high quality!!
to add to the tip about bringing a pencil/eraser- bring extras. literally the quickest way to make friends if someone forgets theirs and you save their ass lol
My biggest tip: Try to start in an amateur orchestra as early as possible. Don't wait until you have to sit in a professional one. A youth orchestra is much more relaxed about these things and you can get the experience without the drama.
While the concertmaster serves the a, only tune your a. Wait until the concertmaster sits down to tune your other strings.
Twoset are the bear grills of orchestra and classical musician life!
TwoSet talks is like the podcast we have been waiting for years!!!
yesss I’m so glad for this episode because I’d love to become an orchestral musician one day
Aaaaaah, finally!! Honestly, I would love for you to talk about your book collection that we can see on your shelf and why its there. Thanks guys!
ooh I agree, they could talk about their new setup, btw are they in Singapore?
First activity of the day: putting on Chen&Yang headband. Second: listening to TwoSetTalks. All other things can wait.
Could hardly wait until I could take my daughter to school today. Now I finally have some time to enjoy this podcast. I just love how Brett and Eddy are role models for everyone, not only about classical music and practice, but also being authentic and creating an encouraging, constructive, non-toxic environment. Keep up the good work guys, and also take care of yourself 💜
I'm so glad you did not abandon this project!
Thank you for not abandoning your podcast channel after the first episode ❤
If you can survive in orchestra for a short time, you can survive for a long time.
😂😂😂😂
If you can play it slowly, you can play it quickly
14:25 What a great story about Eddie and the kind concert master defending him to the conductor! That would be my worst nightmare though...you think you're safe in the back and then getting dropped up front with the concert master!!!
14:58 sightreading rach2- that was me last week 😅😅
more twoset talks! thanks brett and eddy!
As someone who has a habit of turning my head towards the speaker in a conversation automatically (Trauma habit), it lays over in my behavior-in-orchestra habits and makes me the stinker who looks at the woodwinds during rehearsal when they have solos-though it doesn’t show through in concerts.
Sat near a harpist for many years in a pro orchestra. You may put your extra set of strings in a jacket pocket, but the harpist puts extra strings in that bag on stage, along with Tibet Almond Stick to take care of all the dings and nicks the instrument get when being moved, and a dust cloth because they don't get to clean this instrument at home.
Would love an episode or segment with advice for people learning later in life (20s/30s), people who didn't get to go to music school or get a lot of musical education growing up. Things for them to practice, skill wise. Things for them to study, music theory wise. Things like that. Loved this episode, keep 'em coming 👍
Honestly, I’d listen to any topic you guys decide to feature! It would be really cool to hear your opinions on music school and youth orchestra, though. I’m in youth orchestra and I’m curious about your experiences. Much love!
Eddy, that concertmaster was not only kind, but he was a GREAT TEACHER.....he knew you needed to experience to teach you a lesson, and he provided it.
"that was super intense" "he send a message" a professional musician played the next phrase of a concerto.. "super intense". But in the movie adaptation : Duel!! Two string players fighting with bows!!
Yeah, movies suck for the most part
"Twoset Talks Episode Number 2" I didn't think I'd see the day, oh my god, finally 😭
I was waiting for this day for so long 🎉
I don’t Even play in orchestra but I watch it because TwoSet.
Great that I’m wearing Chen&Yang headband in my Japan trip right now and thank you for uploaded more Twoset talk(the headband freaking cute)
ik I luv the headband ❤
Yes please to more orchestra episodes!
tbh this is so calming
Super duper love love love this new podcast channel! So awesome getting to just listen to the gained wisdom that both of you have had over the years. Very valuable information and lessons. Thank you both, Brett & Eddy. Really appreciate your valuable time and shared knowledge and years of experience. Sending warm hugs filled with love and encouragement. 🫂💕💯🎻🎻🥰🥰
89 days without Twoset talks new ep, UNTIL TODAY, FINALLY GUYS
wow, has it been that long?!
respect that you actually worked it out 😂
I would love to hear more "nerding out about music"-type discussions. It's always fun to hear people talk about what they're most passionate about and what they're currently discovering!
FREE THERAPY ILY guys so much!!, You have inspired me so much and I’m so happy you made a new channel where you guys talk and teach!!🤩🤩🤩
Omg, I'm so happy they didn't give up of this channel!! ❤
thank you guys so much for this!! i’m studying violin performance for college this fall and although i’ve played in youth orchestras since middle school, i’m so nervous about college orchestra 😭😭 wish me luck
@J7HNNYthank you so much 😭🫶
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately, but it’s difficult to put it into words.
I’d love to hear more stories about your experiences. And not just yours, but the personal stories of other musicians as well. To hear these behind the scenes stories, somehow makes me understand the music better. I’m not a musician, but as a dancer I have worked with a lot of (middle eastern) musicians. Knowing these people and the difficulties they are facing, made me better understand what is going on onstage during a middle eastern concert.
Until I discovered your channel I always saw a symphony orchestra as a body of anonymous persons just doing their job. That changed.
I went to listen to some symphonies lately and it is much more relatable to me now.
Your little stories in many videos made me understand better the people who play the music. And that makes the music more enjoyable to me. I don’t know if this makes sense to you.
I worked for a professional orchestra before. You can sit "7th chair" second violins and still be literally 3 feet from the conductor because the seatings were circular position, and right behind us were the oboe, flute, etc. You can't hide.
it`s so interesting to hear your experiences, especially when i`m not involved in all these things so i`m not familiar with how the orchestra works, please talk more🙏🙏
I really enjoy listening to both of you just talking in such a relax mood
Even if youre not in Orchestra and just a musician in orchestra but still want to be professional these tipps are so important and as you can also hear by their story that sometimes you get these lessons a bit late and then have awkward or embarassing moments that could have been averted
Thank you for sharing all those inside stories.
I'd like another episode! I just like hearing y'all talk.
Love these podcasts ! It would be interesting to have the same format but with tips for music university ! how to prepare for the audition, how to organise your schedule between classes and practicing but still having a life on the side (lol), etc.
Such a great episode! Even in high school, I got flashbacks of most of the tips you guys said. I don't know if you guys will read this but I would really love another episode like this. Personally, I'm a recently graduated high school going into university for music this year, and I think it would be really helpful for not just me but other musicians as well for more tips. Love your videos!
B&E: practice your part before the 1st rehearsal
Me: Hahahaha! 😮 LOL!
1st rehearsal is for practicing sight reading.
I'M SO HAPPY!! And the timing is so perfect because I just finished Episode 1 this morning. Then I was like, "ohh it's been two months. I wonder when Twoset will upload a new episode 😢" . Then here we are!! You guys read my mind 😭
Loved this one too! It's always fun to hear some new anecdotes from your orchestra days (or more details about anecdotes we already knew about). I've not played in orchestra much, but as an amateur choir singer, a lot of this is really relatable!
"doggy tears" has now entered the musician's vocabulary.
Now I want a link to the concert with the harpist.
I love these types of videos, please make more!!!
I JS FOUND THE CHANNEL IVE NEVER SUBBED TO A CHANNEL FASTER IN MY LIFE-
You know, a lot of what you say not only applies to Orchestral rehearsals, but also anything that has a group of musicians coming together, like choir... tho I must say, we have the privilege of having our own scores, so a big thing is - remember to bring your scores!
I have some: stop playing when the conductor cuts everyone off....don't be those people who just keep going on and on. One for woodwind players is, be aware of the tuning tendencies of the other instruments you're playing with, particularly the other woodwinds, so you can adjust intonation on specific notes that you know are problematic. And when you have a duet passage with another player, like bass clarinet and bassoon in the grandfather music in Nutcracker, make sure you balance, because the dynamic marking is ff, but the bass clarinet can play much louder, so the bass will have to come down a little so we hear both instruments' colors in that passage.
I love Rachmaninov 2 but now I can't listen to the 4th movement without imagining Eddy struggeling at the front desk.
Hahhahahaa
Hurray!! I really hope there gonna be more orchestra-talks! Btw, about the last one, don't you ever talk ON STAGE because literally everyone can see that, even if you are in winds section(and maybe hear too if there are some mics around) ☠☠☠
I’d like to hear about how you prepare for a lesson. I don’t mean practice that week; that’s obvious. What I mean is, in like the hour or so before your lesson what are you doing? Do you do a basic warm up? Go over the pieces? Make a list of problem areas? How do you prepare to get the most out of the lesson time?
Loved it. It's a rare insight into professional orchestras... and funnily enough... in our community orchestra it's so similar! I always get SO annoyed with the two girls that NEVER bring a pencil.
When the conductor stops, STOP PLAYING!
YESS YESS AND YESS i hate people who just “have to finish the phrase” like whose time u wasting??
… and the reverse. If you have no more music left, don't just relax down into your seat and switch off while the conductor is still working with other people. (I'm looking at you, choral singers!) Wait for the conductor to release the atmosphere.
On point 1: I've also seen a situation where a horn player kept flexing with the Strauss till Uilenspiegel horn solo during every break and before rehearsal. Eventually the conductor pointed it out to them, couples with the fact that they're destroying their stamina by constantly doing that. Which would not benefit the quality of the concert to come.
I would like another orchestra one this was great 🙏
This is great, and I hope there will be many more in this series! You two never disappoint!!
Lovely detail and specifics! I was waiting for the tip about not having B.O.! Haha!
On the page turning: I see it increasingly more often that the outside person turns the page because its so much easier for them to reach it since they sit on the side where the page is, that needs to be turned. Its an exception ofc with the concertmaster or section leaders since they still need to lead the orchestra/section.
This had me giggling and remembering my first symphonic orchestra rehearsals in school where the brass would play and the strings would really want to turn around and look back at us! LOL bless.
Thank you Brett and Eddy for sharing this! As a professional violinist, I 100% agree with all of these, and it is really unfortunate that they dont teach a lot of this in school. So much of it is just learning on the job, making mistakes, and paying your dues. The only thing I would add here is to NOT OVERMARK YOUR MUSIC. This comes with experience but it’s a nightmare for the music librarian to try and erase so it’s kind of rude, but especially if you are sharing a stand, it can be SO distracting to your standpartner and unnecessary. Fingerings, notes from the conductor, that’s all you need. You don’t need to circle every little thing or write entire sentences.
Also as you navigate further into the professional world, you will become more accustomed to conductor egos. Especially if you are in the last few stands of a section, watching the conductor is SO important and they will absolutely call you out on it! Even if they are awful and watching them just confuses you more, pretend that you are. 😂
PLS DO PART 2, love u guys ❤
Yes we can hear the drill 😂
Hahahahaha only slightly tho 😂
Can you do an episode on how to handle crushes you have in orchestra but need to stay focused and professional?
one time in wind ensemble a large amount of the group (but most notably the trumpets) were just talking, talking, talking as the director had been discussing the piece. they were all oblivious to anything he was saying, but he wasn't gonna stop for them. that piece opens with a forte-piano timpani roll for two measures before the rest of the ensemble comes in. so everyone is talking, talking, talking, and i'm just sitting there...mallets ready, grin on my face as i'm watching the director and waiting... my friend over in 1st clarinets knew, she was grinning back at me across the room and trying not to laugh cuz she knew exactly what was gonna happen. so the director kinda glances at the trumpets, looks at me...gives the downbeat... yeah all those ppl talking JUMPED out of their seats when i played. it was great.
Pearls of wisdom! Yes, more on orchestra tips please
agreed😊
A lovely channel to listen to while practicing
I'm an amateur violinist and choral singer - nowhere near professional, I just play for fun. But I was nodding along when you talked about blending with other sections. I taught myself, almost by accident, to listen to the other sections while playing in a community string orchestra as a teenager. I found that skill applicable to choir as well, and I'm always baffled when other people can't do it, or don't think to do it. You're playing in a group, you should be listening to that group!
I played multiple instruments before trying voice. And same thing with me - I would listen to others. But also I was better at sight reading. The college professor said it’s because many singers practice by listening to music online and singing along - even at the college level many can’t look at a B and know the note in their head. So naturally I was one of the “leaders” of my section even though it was my first time singing.
27:45 - I actually have a "Un Owen Was Her" ringtone from Touhou 6 EoSD. At this point I would've probably melted from the heat of panic.
I would love to hear about your relationship with literature. What type of literature you like/dislike, book recommendations (music-related & others)...
Writing music. This comes from author-to-be who is beginner pianist. Where does it start, are there any character arcs or structures to write it (like Aristothelic structure in drama/literature), "genres", which are your favorites to write, how you express some things/feels with music. And/or writing in general.
Continuing with the theme of one your older videos: if especially your violin would be a person, what kind of they might be. And relationship with your violin(s).
Guilty of most of these things! no idea that playing a concerto at break is bad form. Thank you for this. Great channel!
YOOOO LETS GOOOO TWOSET TALKS POSTED WOOOOO
omg the headbands!!! So excited for the episode ✨
Love these! I’m all for a part 2 of this episode!
more twoset talks pls!!!!
please do a part two! That would be fun!
I’m not a musician and I still find your tips fascinating! 😂