That Jon death scene being included had nothing to do with Catelyn's monologue. The reason this video ended with that scene of Jon dying is because the R+L=J video was made after the end of season 5 (where Jon Snow had just been killed, since that's where the books had stopped), so a fan took it upon himself to create this video to show hints throughout the show that confirm the theory.
Dan and Dave were the showrunners. Before George let them adapt the books, he wanted to know if they were real fans. So he quizzed them. R+L=J has been a fan theory since the first book. Thats the interview.
For Ned to tarnish his reputation in front of everyone he has ever known and yet to know (especially when honor and reputation is probably the most important trait in the north), including his wife whom he hasn't cheated on ever, just to keep his word/promise to his sister, just makes me respect him even more. Truly, an honorable man, a character (fictional as it may be) that of which we must learn from.
6:30 - Ned was going to tell Jon the truth after Jon joined the Night's Watch, because joining the watch means renouncing your family name. Jon would no longer be a Targaryen!
(Ned)"The next time we see each other, we'll talk about your mother. Hmm?" This actually came true. S8E1, Jon was at Ned's statue in the crypt and Sam showed up to talk about his true lineage.
I wonder if Ned was counting on the Night's Watch to provide safety for Jon once Jon's true parentage was revealed. If Jon took the black, it would require him to forsake his family and put him beyond Robert's reach. Thus, being Aegon Targaryen would no longer be a death sentence, once he was a sworn brother.
It wasnt a coincidence that Jon was there right after he said a Targarian alone in the world is s terrible thing. That was an Easter egg they left for us. That was one of the 2 writers of the show who had to make the books work in a TV show format talking there. They would work with George R R Martin doing that. So it was Martins plan all along that Lyanna was Jon's mother. D is the first initial of both wtiters. So the fans referred to them as D & D
Are you aware that there is a Game of Thrones prequel called House of the Dragon? It's 170 years before the original story, back when the Targaryens were still kings of westeros and when they still had dragons.
Yes Little Finger knew. The look he gives Sansa in that scene… AND the scene in season 6 he says to Sansa : Who will they choose the daughter of Ned and cat shark OR a bastard born in the SOUTH. South? How would he know that? He was Jon Snow because bastards born in the North are named Snow. Bastards in the South are named Sand. After we find out that Lyanna is his mother he is then born in the south at the tower… Up until then we are to assume he was born in the North from Ned’s infidelity. We never hear this until Bran states it to Sam…. So LIttleFinger KNEW he was born in the South. No one at that point knew that. So he knew Lyanna was Jon mother and Raegar his father. Maybe he didn’t know they were married and he wasn’t a bastard … But he knew who he was. I don’t know how … I’m assuming because he is similar to Vayris and has little birds or spies…. I never caught the seaon 8 “bastard born in the south” until many reactions over the years and then I heard it and was shocked. I wish I knew how he knew….hut he did.
P.S. I always hated Cat for how he treated Jon!!! Yet she forgave and loved Ned. BUT… an innocent child she treated like a DOG until the last day. Because of that alone… I think she is a terrible person.
There's no way he knew, the biggest secret in GOT history and he didn't think the leverage it once? Doesn't sound like Littlefinger at all. He had his suspicions that's it.
@@fletcher9328 well even if it was suspicions he knew of something. Why did he know Jon was born in the south? Why did he give Sansa that look when she was talking about her being raped and murdered? He def knew something …
Just like Maester Aemon, once Jon was a sworn brother, he (theoretically, I suppose) couldn't actually do anything about his heritage, so perhaps Ned would have told him. Or maybe he'd have realised that silence is golden and rather than stir up trouble, have taken the secret to his grave. I've seen lots of reactions, and nearly everyone shows that scene, and every time I see it I wonder WWNHD. What would Ned have done? Alt Shift X has a video on R+L=J as well, with stuff from the books that won't be spoilery now you know. If you want some fun clips with the actors off script, look for 'The Ultimate Game Of Thrones Super Cut' and 'The BEST of Game Of Thrones On The Graham Norton Show Part 2' on RUclips, lots of the stars in Graham Norton's relaxed chat show.
Both Littlefinger and Uncle Benjem look down, smiling, ..sad that it only served for Bran to separate Jon from Daenerys and thus fulfill his Machiavellian plan.That's why it's better to watch this video before the end. The most important thing about the magnifica 4ª season, was removed, the reason why Tyrion went up to see his father.
and more importantly, as a man of the night's watch, he swore not to claim his inheritence, so, no matter hors Targaryan he is, he is no longer a threat (like Maester Aemond)
I always loved when Jon and Dany met on Dragonstone and they eventually talked and Dany mentioned that everyone loves what they're good at and Jon said that he doesn't (killing), much like his father
This is a pretty fun S4 wrap up interview with all the actors whose characters died (including Pedro!). I've never seen anyone react to it so I don't know if with some editing it can work for a reaction but I think you'll enjoy it nonetheless ruclips.net/video/7WJ6LNYVYj8/видео.htmlsi=Aqa45WkL10Sa_Ouu
I like how when asked what Ned would do if forced to choose between honor or those he loves, Jon never explicitly answers. He says Ned would do what was right, but never say which one that is, honor or love.
So, Ned insists that Jon hide away during the feast not because he looked like Lyanna, who Robert was in love with but also because he looked like Rhaegar, who Robert killed... he cannot remember Lyanna's face, but he sure in Seven Hells remembered Rhaegar's...
They knew before they show started, it was also a fan theory and finding out in the show was the first confirmation we got of the theory so fo those of us that had been fans of the theory (yes those exist 😂) it was one of the more significant moments in tv for me
Hope you're going for Honest trailer and Pitch Meeting. You'll have a good laugh. 6:30 Because Jon would be a man of the night watch, away from a king's hand and cannot be touched by Robert.
Littlefinger was the reason everything happened. It was him who spread the lie that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and raped her that caused the domino effect for Roberts Rebellion. He had Lyssa poison Jon Arryn and framed the Lannisters for it causing tension with them and the Starks that further spiraled into Ned dying and everyone going to war. He was the whole reason!
Regarding Littlefinger's smirk at Sansa in the crypt brings light to my favorite theory. It was him that started the kidnapping rumor. He wanted the Starks to die so he could marry Cat.
Ive always actually disliked the idea of him knowing. Like i know hes supposed to be "smart" but it just feels too random for him to be the only person in the kingdoms to know that information. Like even if he was friends with rhaegar or lyanna it seems a bit of a stretch that out of all people they decided to tell him. Maybe a bit more plausible the septon that wed them owed littlefinger a favor and used the information as payment but again still a stretch with no evidence. In my hearts i just feel like they just wanted to make littlefinger seem like he knows everything even if it makes no sense he would know
I think IN Deep Geek has a video that explains this theory, and I must say that it sounds convincing. Though in IDG's voice, anything sounds convincing.
At 5:27 they left out the part where Ned says Jons mothers name when Robert asks. Wylla. Then He says he doesn't want talk about it getting angry. Funny how they leave that out?
Once Jon was in the watch he was "out of the reach" of Robert so Ned could tell Jon his true identity as he could never claim titles or lands. EDIT You'd really appreciate the book I think, they're just even deeper than the show. If the show had followed everything in the books they'd probably still be making seasons.
I think Ned genuinely was planing to tell Jon the truth once he was in the Nights watch. Once he "Takes the black" he is beyond the reach of even the King. So Ned could then tell Jon and there would be nothing anyone could do about it. "The next time we meet, we'll talk about your mother" was a true statement I think. (It's such a pity how utterly crap GoT became when you remember how good the first 5-6 seasons were)
David and Dan are asked that question in lots of cast interviews like comic cons etc so it won't be hard to find them lol ill also take this opportunity to recommend the YT channel DavidReadsASoIaF who does a really good job with his book readings. I prefer them to the official audiobooks. No offense Roy lol rip
Robert was not in the wrong lyanna,… lyanna was meant to marry Robert n just disappeared Lyanna ddnt love Robert n Robert properly ddnt love lyanna too he was just obsessed coz he barely even knew her
she didnt really know the prince either he was just hot and she still had to know her family would follow her and they died because she was selfish lucky she was young or id hate her more. She knows things like that lead to war but i guess the pretty white haired prince who wants to marry a 14 year old is more important than her family sure hope her dad and short tempered brother don't get killed because of this decision a 14 year old is making......
R&L are the true villains. These 2 knew that what they would do would cause a war and did it anyway. Robert loved her and Leana acted like she was too good for a man (Robert) with a bastard child but then turned and got with A MARRIED MAN. She killed her family just like Raegar ended his. Those ended house Taragarian. Simple. P.S. Jon is still dead in the books.
PREACH SISTER. i hate lyanna less because in the books isnt she like 13 or 14 but ya rhaegar was a creep but he gets a pass because he is a targaryen and attractive but not from me!
That Jon death scene being included had nothing to do with Catelyn's monologue.
The reason this video ended with that scene of Jon dying is because the R+L=J video was made after the end of season 5 (where Jon Snow had just been killed, since that's where the books had stopped), so a fan took it upon himself to create this video to show hints throughout the show that confirm the theory.
Dan and Dave were the showrunners. Before George let them adapt the books, he wanted to know if they were real fans. So he quizzed them. R+L=J has been a fan theory since the first book. Thats the interview.
For Ned to tarnish his reputation in front of everyone he has ever known and yet to know (especially when honor and reputation is probably the most important trait in the north), including his wife whom he hasn't cheated on ever, just to keep his word/promise to his sister, just makes me respect him even more. Truly, an honorable man, a character (fictional as it may be) that of which we must learn from.
6:30 - Ned was going to tell Jon the truth after Jon joined the Night's Watch, because joining the watch means renouncing your family name. Jon would no longer be a Targaryen!
(Ned)"The next time we see each other, we'll talk about your mother. Hmm?" This actually came true. S8E1, Jon was at Ned's statue in the crypt and Sam showed up to talk about his true lineage.
I wonder if Ned was counting on the Night's Watch to provide safety for Jon once Jon's true parentage was revealed. If Jon took the black, it would require him to forsake his family and put him beyond Robert's reach. Thus, being Aegon Targaryen would no longer be a death sentence, once he was a sworn brother.
@@NightSkyJeff Yes, obviously, but not just when his identity was revealed, but if.
It wasnt a coincidence that Jon was there right after he said a Targarian alone in the world is s terrible thing. That was an Easter egg they left for us.
That was one of the 2 writers of the show who had to make the books work in a TV show format talking there. They would work with George R R Martin doing that. So it was Martins plan all along that Lyanna was Jon's mother. D is the first initial of both wtiters. So the fans referred to them as D & D
Always gives me chills..... and makes me incredibly sad for both of them...
Lyanna didn’t like Robert, she confided to Ned that (paraphrasing) he would be a terrible husband.
Are you aware that there is a Game of Thrones prequel called House of the Dragon?
It's 170 years before the original story, back when the Targaryens were still kings of westeros and when they still had dragons.
Yes Little Finger knew. The look he gives Sansa in that scene…
AND the scene in season 6 he says to Sansa :
Who will they choose the daughter of Ned and cat shark OR a bastard born in the SOUTH.
South? How would he know that?
He was Jon Snow because bastards born in the North are named Snow.
Bastards in the South are named Sand.
After we find out that Lyanna is his mother he is then born in the south at the tower…
Up until then we are to assume he was born in the North from Ned’s infidelity.
We never hear this until Bran states it to Sam….
So LIttleFinger KNEW he was born in the South.
No one at that point knew that.
So he knew Lyanna was Jon mother and Raegar his father.
Maybe he didn’t know they were married and he wasn’t a bastard …
But he knew who he was.
I don’t know how … I’m assuming because he is similar to Vayris and has little birds or spies….
I never caught the seaon 8 “bastard born in the south” until many reactions over the years and then I heard it and was shocked.
I wish I knew how he knew….hut he did.
P.S. I always hated Cat for how he treated Jon!!! Yet she forgave and loved Ned. BUT… an innocent child she treated like a DOG until the last day.
Because of that alone… I think she is a terrible person.
There's no way he knew, the biggest secret in GOT history and he didn't think the leverage it once? Doesn't sound like Littlefinger at all. He had his suspicions that's it.
@@fletcher9328 well even if it was suspicions he knew of something. Why did he know Jon was born in the south? Why did he give Sansa that look when she was talking about her being raped and murdered? He def knew something …
Just like Maester Aemon, once Jon was a sworn brother, he (theoretically, I suppose) couldn't actually do anything about his heritage, so perhaps Ned would have told him. Or maybe he'd have realised that silence is golden and rather than stir up trouble, have taken the secret to his grave.
I've seen lots of reactions, and nearly everyone shows that scene, and every time I see it I wonder WWNHD. What would Ned have done?
Alt Shift X has a video on R+L=J as well, with stuff from the books that won't be spoilery now you know.
If you want some fun clips with the actors off script, look for 'The Ultimate Game Of Thrones Super Cut' and 'The BEST of Game Of Thrones On The Graham Norton Show Part 2' on RUclips, lots of the stars in Graham Norton's relaxed chat show.
Both Littlefinger and Uncle Benjem look down, smiling, ..sad that it only served for Bran to separate Jon from Daenerys and thus fulfill his Machiavellian plan.That's why it's better to watch this video before the end. The most important thing about the magnifica 4ª season, was removed, the reason why Tyrion went up to see his father.
ned would have told him if he lived, bc jon would be at the wall and couldn’t do anything about it
and more importantly, as a man of the night's watch, he swore not to claim his inheritence, so, no matter hors Targaryan he is, he is no longer a threat (like Maester Aemond)
I always loved when Jon and Dany met on Dragonstone and they eventually talked and Dany mentioned that everyone loves what they're good at and Jon said that he doesn't (killing), much like his father
This is a pretty fun S4 wrap up interview with all the actors whose characters died (including Pedro!). I've never seen anyone react to it so I don't know if with some editing it can work for a reaction but I think you'll enjoy it nonetheless
ruclips.net/video/7WJ6LNYVYj8/видео.htmlsi=Aqa45WkL10Sa_Ouu
I like how when asked what Ned would do if forced to choose between honor or those he loves, Jon never explicitly answers. He says Ned would do what was right, but never say which one that is, honor or love.
So, Ned insists that Jon hide away during the feast not because he looked like Lyanna, who Robert was in love with but also because he looked like Rhaegar, who Robert killed... he cannot remember Lyanna's face, but he sure in Seven Hells remembered Rhaegar's...
They knew before they show started, it was also a fan theory and finding out in the show was the first confirmation we got of the theory so fo those of us that had been fans of the theory (yes those exist 😂) it was one of the more significant moments in tv for me
Hope you're going for Honest trailer and Pitch Meeting. You'll have a good laugh.
6:30 Because Jon would be a man of the night watch, away from a king's hand and cannot be touched by Robert.
Yes, read the books.
The crumbs and little clues they were leaving all series long was crazy.
4:08 Ned was Protecting Jon's Kin (Targaryens ) all along ...also his Stance against ki||ing children helped.
Alt Shift X has a good R+L=J video.
aLT sHIFT x HAS A ALOT OF GOOD VIDEOS
Littlefinger was the reason everything happened. It was him who spread the lie that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and raped her that caused the domino effect for Roberts Rebellion. He had Lyssa poison Jon Arryn and framed the Lannisters for it causing tension with them and the Starks that further spiraled into Ned dying and everyone going to war. He was the whole reason!
Regarding Littlefinger's smirk at Sansa in the crypt brings light to my favorite theory. It was him that started the kidnapping rumor. He wanted the Starks to die so he could marry Cat.
Ive always actually disliked the idea of him knowing. Like i know hes supposed to be "smart" but it just feels too random for him to be the only person in the kingdoms to know that information. Like even if he was friends with rhaegar or lyanna it seems a bit of a stretch that out of all people they decided to tell him. Maybe a bit more plausible the septon that wed them owed littlefinger a favor and used the information as payment but again still a stretch with no evidence. In my hearts i just feel like they just wanted to make littlefinger seem like he knows everything even if it makes no sense he would know
I think IN Deep Geek has a video that explains this theory, and I must say that it sounds convincing. Though in IDG's voice, anything sounds convincing.
@@GJBedrin little finger knowing makes alot of sense, he could have snuck into the tourney trying to get to cat n then sees something?
At 5:27 they left out the part where Ned says Jons mothers name when Robert asks. Wylla. Then He says he doesn't want talk about it getting angry. Funny how they leave that out?
Once Jon was in the watch he was "out of the reach" of Robert so Ned could tell Jon his true identity as he could never claim titles or lands.
EDIT You'd really appreciate the book I think, they're just even deeper than the show. If the show had followed everything in the books they'd probably still be making seasons.
I think Ned genuinely was planing to tell Jon the truth once he was in the Nights watch.
Once he "Takes the black" he is beyond the reach of even the King. So Ned could then tell Jon and there would be nothing anyone could do about it.
"The next time we meet, we'll talk about your mother" was a true statement I think.
(It's such a pity how utterly crap GoT became when you remember how good the first 5-6 seasons were)
David and Dan are asked that question in lots of cast interviews like comic cons etc so it won't be hard to find them lol ill also take this opportunity to recommend the YT channel DavidReadsASoIaF who does a really good job with his book readings. I prefer them to the official audiobooks. No offense Roy lol rip
You can also watch game of thrones evil ending its only 2 mins and i love that theory so much it made the ending feel a little better for me at least
it was just theory,that why it was so good,then no1 know
It wasn't how good or bad ned was
He's not want to kill Danerys just to save John
Bcz John is also a targeryon
You should watch essays of "what went wrong" and you will realize stuff.
If you love Pedro, do you have The last of Us on your "To react to" list? I recommend it!
So well set up and in the end it meant nothing in Season 8 😢
Robert was not in the wrong lyanna,… lyanna was meant to marry Robert n just disappeared
Lyanna ddnt love Robert n Robert properly ddnt love lyanna too he was just obsessed coz he barely even knew her
she didnt really know the prince either he was just hot and she still had to know her family would follow her and they died because she was selfish lucky she was young or id hate her more. She knows things like that lead to war but i guess the pretty white haired prince who wants to marry a 14 year old is more important than her family sure hope her dad and short tempered brother don't get killed because of this decision a 14 year old is making......
@@fourthbleach7997 true 😂🤣😂 but u knw not every day u get to ride a dragon🤣😂😂🤣
R&L are the true villains. These 2 knew that what they would do would cause a war and did it anyway. Robert loved her and Leana acted like she was too good for a man (Robert) with a bastard child but then turned and got with A MARRIED MAN. She killed her family just like Raegar ended his. Those ended house Taragarian. Simple. P.S. Jon is still dead in the books.
PREACH SISTER. i hate lyanna less because in the books isnt she like 13 or 14 but ya rhaegar was a creep but he gets a pass because he is a targaryen and attractive but not from me!