SHOCKING Parallels: Western Societies on the Brink of World War AGAIN | Profs. D. Riches & J. Eddebo

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  • @neutralitystudies
    @neutralitystudies  Месяц назад +2

    Follow me on Rumble to stay connected: rumble.com/c/NeutralityStudies. And on Substack if you want to read more: pascallottaz.substack.com

  • @Killane10
    @Killane10 Месяц назад +95

    I know that the political cultural of the UK has not changes for decades apart from subtle PR strategy changes. It is the emergence of technology of the world wide web that is exposing the true nature of how western politics works.

    • @Lyra0966
      @Lyra0966 Месяц назад

      Au contraire. I'm British and I'm pretty certain that the political culture here in Britain has deteriorated significantly. Time was that even mildly embarrassed or disgraced politicians would consider their positions. Now our politicians, left and right, engage in outright corruption or exercise dreadful judgement, and they hang on to power regardless. Just look at the PPE corruption. No heads rolled despite the outlandish theft of public money by the already obscenely wealthy parasite class.

    • @DiogoJ1
      @DiogoJ1 Месяц назад

      And what is that true nature? Because no matter what people say, I prefer western politics over eastern ones.

    • @Killane10
      @Killane10 Месяц назад +1

      @@DiogoJ1 Do any of us actially know the true extent of the problems with Northern, Southern, eastern or Western Politics?
      My view is that there is good and bad in all electoral systems. We just need to be nan enough to accept responsibility for all of it and then evolve to something better.
      What could be worse than a system that promotes climate improvement but blows up a gas pipeline that does epic damage to the climate, Supports and funds terrorists that kill thousands of women and children and inflict horrific eye, body and hand injuries on thousands of others, tries to egg on Nuclear war with other Nuclear Powers, and orchestrates cues to overthrow democratic governments.
      What could actually be worse than that?????

    • @DiogoJ1
      @DiogoJ1 Месяц назад

      @@Killane10 All of it? No, but we know plenty.
      I only take responsibility for things I do, not what others do. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and nobody else's.
      What epic damage? The climate barely worsened, and Russia or Germany have yet to prove who did the sabotage.
      You are talking mostly about USA, not the west, by the way, based on those accusations I heard a hundred of times by now.
      Sounds like eastern terrorists as well.
      Russia is the one who caused this. There would be no risk of nuclear war if Russia had left Ukraine alone.
      Russia, islamic nations, etc... Far worse with their disgusting ideologies and self-rigtheousness.

    • @Lyra0966
      @Lyra0966 Месяц назад

      @@DiogoJ1 Western politicians who arm a nation carrying out mass murder, who prolong a Ukraine war that is all but lost, thereby consigning hundreds of thousands of young men to certain death? Western politicians who put the interests of the 1% above those of the majority, and who lie to and cheat their people in order to enrich themselves?
      You prefer these to, for example, Chinese politicians who have raised hundreds of millions of their citizens out of abject poverty and who are building a beautiful, high tech, we'll-functioning society for all their people. Chinese politicians who, unlike western ones, are not war-mongering and corrupt?
      How extremely stupid you must be! You'd rather have a cruelband neglectful master, rather than a kind, generous and compassionate one. 🤡

  • @helios4u2
    @helios4u2 Месяц назад +29

    On the Dreyfus affair, it should be added that the writer Émile Zola, who defended Dreyfus' innocence in his novel ''J'ACCUSE'', died prematurely from carbon monoxide poisoning in his Parisian apartment. The investigation concluded that it was an accident, claiming that his chimney had become blocked, but there were those who accused the army services of murder because the army knew the culprit of this act of espionage and preferred to accuse Dreyfus and carry out a cover-up.

  • @gelinrefira
    @gelinrefira Месяц назад +80

    Exactly. The current epoch is only beautiful for the UAS empire, the imperial core and the imperial semi-periphery. It is horrible for everyone else.

    • @vasilispatsalidis5683
      @vasilispatsalidis5683 Месяц назад +13

      It is not so beautiful for the poor USA population that is living under the colonial Government of the Midle East Cabal.

    • @Buf-g6m
      @Buf-g6m Месяц назад +11

      Working poor and unemployed in US do have it rough but even they can gain access to food stamps and social security payments if nothing else.
      Child laborers in africa and countries that have to cut down thier rainforests to make charcoal for lack of having anything else the empire desires definitely have it infinitely worse.

    • @mx338
      @mx338 Месяц назад

      @@vasilispatsalidis5683 the USA controls the middle-East, the population of the USA is the labour aristocracy, and the least likely population to rise up in the world.
      They are exploited by the system of world capitalism too, but I can't really feel much sympathy compared to the other peoples of this world.

    • @chrisgreene2623
      @chrisgreene2623 Месяц назад +2

      @@Buf-g6m Of course the Let them eat cake " you have it so much better " than the other serfs in poorer countries.

    • @catalincarceanu7991
      @catalincarceanu7991 Месяц назад

      You mean the Jewish Empire.The americans are just humble servants of their masters.

  • @justbe1451
    @justbe1451 Месяц назад +12

    I find watching American TV shows glorify military, authority focused. Also, the topics are always a mental guidance to what we should feel.
    Great discussion. 👍

    • @alanc457
      @alanc457 Месяц назад

      Mental guidance is a good term, I just call it brainwashing

  • @BlackStarEnigmatic
    @BlackStarEnigmatic Месяц назад +34

    Pascal, this is incredibly interesting. I will read the piece by Dennis and Johan. I have been working on this same issue myself but from a slightly different disciplinary angle. The missing piece in all of this are the Reformation, industrial revolutions and the consequent "mass psychogenic illness" aka MPI. One of the main reasons these things are intensifying, just like the 19th century, is because we are on the verge of the 4th industrial revolution. The same patterns are showing up. Even in similar sequences down to the "eugenic religion", fascism and Gnosticism. The terms "appearance of strange behaviour", "Anomie", "dancing plaques" and "mass hysteria" are fair descriptions. It will be nice to stay in touch with what Johan and Dennis are doing in this field. The "invisible hand" in all of this is of course "para political" and that is the area I am looking at specifically. Regards to you guys. It must be sushi 😂😂.

  • @Shamil_Tokarev_ZOV
    @Shamil_Tokarev_ZOV Месяц назад +13

    One of the few positive things about this new society is that, compared to 1914, a large part of the European population is much more disenchanted and aware of the fact that the ruling class doesn't care about them.
    Great channel,and great guests as always. ❤

    • @Azathoth2980
      @Azathoth2980 11 дней назад +1

      Now there are international competitor, West don't have a monopoly on 'progress'. Ethno mythology is gone.

    • @Shamil_Tokarev_ZOV
      @Shamil_Tokarev_ZOV 11 дней назад

      @Azathoth2980 Of course!

  • @fredbelsberg3213
    @fredbelsberg3213 Месяц назад +15

    Great episod on great channel!!! Thank you for inviting such a broad spectrum of interesting speakers to also be followed up.

  • @johnlund2036
    @johnlund2036 Месяц назад +21

    It is strange that in the early 1900s that the czar was trying to work out agreements with Europeans and Putin was trying to do similar things with the Europeans in the early 2000s

    • @J.B.29
      @J.B.29 Месяц назад

      What are you getting at? That Russians never learn?

    • @dinnerwithfranklin2451
      @dinnerwithfranklin2451 Месяц назад +5

      @@J.B.29 Did you intentionally misunderstand or are you particularly slow?

    • @J.B.29
      @J.B.29 Месяц назад

      @@dinnerwithfranklin2451 could say the same to you

    • @dinnerwithfranklin2451
      @dinnerwithfranklin2451 Месяц назад +1

      @@J.B.29 Well obviously "deliberately misinterpret" is out.

    • @J.B.29
      @J.B.29 Месяц назад

      @@dinnerwithfranklin2451 At work. I'll try and explain to you later. I'll use small words so you might be able to understand,but I doubt it.

  • @chrisgreene2623
    @chrisgreene2623 Месяц назад +9

    What a stimulating and enlightening conversation.

  • @r.w.emersonii3501
    @r.w.emersonii3501 Месяц назад +56

    As the "Belle Epoque" of the previous century ended with the collapse of the cruel decadent culture of the European empires, the current "Belle Epoque" will end with the collapse of the cruel decadent culture of the U.S. empire. Empires do fall and decadence is not sustainable.

    • @hermanmattheus9455
      @hermanmattheus9455 Месяц назад +3

      Do not forget the russian empire with their new Tsar Putin;

    • @pritaf.s3637
      @pritaf.s3637 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@hermanmattheus9455Russian is European

    • @hermanmattheus9455
      @hermanmattheus9455 Месяц назад

      @@pritaf.s3637 Only small part.And do they want to be european? They do not behave as civilised .

    • @hermanmattheus9455
      @hermanmattheus9455 Месяц назад +2

      @@pritaf.s3637 NO way. They have showed many times that they do not belong to Europe.

    • @Aktentasche1
      @Aktentasche1 Месяц назад +2

      Europe is a geographical concept, you don‘t get to decide who is part of it and who isn‘t.

  • @markrobby7136
    @markrobby7136 Месяц назад +48

    It's all they know to do as "civilized people". Waging wars and conflits like habitants of the jungle🤓

    • @vasilispatsalidis5683
      @vasilispatsalidis5683 Месяц назад +4

      @@markrobby7136 200 years ago the Anglo-Fritzes were sittin on trees wearing horns on their heads.
      They have not changed at all.

    • @drscopeify
      @drscopeify Месяц назад

      @@vasilispatsalidis5683 Nonsense, they had defeated the Roman armies 2000 years ago and took down the Western Roman Empire and ran vast tribal lands with much success, they invaded the British Isles too and managed to defeat the Mongols where the Russians were totally over run and dominated for a few hundred years.

  • @lukehunnable
    @lukehunnable Месяц назад +39

    These guys didn't make it easy, with their overly abstract thinking, but Pascal asks great quesitons

  • @gerharddeusser9103
    @gerharddeusser9103 Месяц назад +30

    I always disliked Fukoyama's illusions.!

    • @SofaKingShit
      @SofaKingShit Месяц назад

      "Social status is a zero sum game". Wtf.

    • @1976HNRK
      @1976HNRK Месяц назад

      Indeed!

  • @darrellcross4538
    @darrellcross4538 Месяц назад +4

    Honestly Pascal it was a “hard slog” listening to this meandering dialogue BUT it was worth listening to.
    I’m an old age pensioner and left school at 15, so I’m not an educated person like you gentleman but I I’ve always read a lot and watch lots of podcasts… lots of time to ponder things in my old age.
    I personally think the Belle Epoch discussion is probably a more nuanced & philosophical version of the 4th turning.
    I do think the internet and smart phones etc have made it easier for thinking people to learn the truth of what’s going on in the world (for those seeking the truth)….sadly this won’t last long as most western countries are seeking to introduce laws to stop what they perceive as “misinformation”…yes “a ministry of truth” lol, the Australian government is trying to pass legislation now to stop any alternative narrative to “their truth” & I assume it pass.
    A subscriber watching in sunny Queensland, Australia 🇦🇺🦘

  • @NapaValleyVegan
    @NapaValleyVegan Месяц назад +5

    This was a very interesting interview. I am no intellectual or academic so I was especially pleased when Dennis mentioned Season 1 of True Detective. A decade later, I still agree that was some of the best television I have ever seen!

    • @Laughlvn
      @Laughlvn Месяц назад +2

      Rewatched it a few months back. It's really great.

  • @PerceivedREALITY999
    @PerceivedREALITY999 Месяц назад +138

    NATO is not a defensive alliance. They illegally bombed Yugoslavia (direct violation of the UN Charter). We must never forget what they did to Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria etc.
    NATO needs to understand that playing Russian roulette with a nuclear superpower is never a good idea.

    • @miraivas6203
      @miraivas6203 Месяц назад +10

      100%

    • @rubinunez7713
      @rubinunez7713 Месяц назад +5

      10 billion %

    • @hermanmattheus9455
      @hermanmattheus9455 Месяц назад +2

      Nonsence. Look at Russia first.

    • @wilhelmsvideon9206
      @wilhelmsvideon9206 Месяц назад +18

      @@hermanmattheus9455Yes, but look closer and try to understand them and why they do what they do and you will se, the problem is somewhere else.

    • @hermanmattheus9455
      @hermanmattheus9455 Месяц назад

      @@wilhelmsvideon9206 The problem is not(only) the west or US as most of the people here write . I know that it is more complex but what the russian are doing now and how their TV reacts is out of proportions.We were living in peace but russia wants other things.We reduced our weapons and russia saw it as an opportunity to attack.

  • @stromo_182model
    @stromo_182model Месяц назад +10

    The guests' meandering responses didn't help outline the case for this parallel. However thanks go to Pascal for hosting this space.

    • @trackdusty
      @trackdusty Месяц назад

      Yes. Total wankers, except the host.

  • @E3kTheCat
    @E3kTheCat Месяц назад +34

    Western governments not societies

    • @georgeantonopoulos545
      @georgeantonopoulos545 Месяц назад +13

      I really want to agree with you, but it is not easy at this stage, with the small reaction from the societies to see the difference !. I think it is the corruption in our own minds (as members of a society) that allows such actions by governments!.

    • @neilcomley7854
      @neilcomley7854 Месяц назад +6

      Sadly I think you're right. We the people get the governments that collectively we deserve. They emerge from and are a reflection of the society.

    • @PaddyMacDaddy101
      @PaddyMacDaddy101 Месяц назад +6

      @@georgeantonopoulos545 Most societies don't have time for in depth analysis of world affairs. Most people are busy raring families and working most of the available hours to keep a roof over their heads. As a result of this mortgage trap they are left relying on their respective televised news and/or printed news. This is what shapes their opinions on events.
      The media are to blame not societies.

    • @drscopeify
      @drscopeify Месяц назад +3

      Western Governments ARE societies, we choose the leaders they are our choice.

    • @georgeantonopoulos545
      @georgeantonopoulos545 Месяц назад +1

      @@PaddyMacDaddy101 Totally agree about the way societies lead to this result (and shape the situation so that you have a minimum amount of time ,two jobs to meet your basic expenses) but disagree about who we should blame, even the media, is our choice and acceptance! And upon this some of world affairs, or issues doesn't need deep analysis just ...values and principles as Humans!

  • @jorgearcegarivera2698
    @jorgearcegarivera2698 Месяц назад +22

    Greetings from Mexico! A huge explosion occurs in Toropets, a Russian town that recently celebrated 950 years since it was founded, and the western mass media can hardly resist the temptation to celebrate the event, even collecting the opinions of european citizens, in the sense that it is a good time to uncork a bottle of champagne. This time we do not bother to talk about the carbon footprint associated with an event not linked to natural causes, perhaps because there are feverish minds that imagine that the attack, clearly planned and carried out by NATO, will have the collateral effect of ruining the digestion of the maximum Kremlin hierarch. It is on days like this that one fully understands why it is common to talk about political actors and an international scenario. The development of events seems to adhere to a predetermined script. The problem is that many of the people involved are criminals with acting talent, in the style of the Joker and Harley Quinn, who have at their disposal weapons of mass destruction, whose lethality far exceeds the ghostly Iraqi arsenal. The world is in danger, while the scavengers (under the banner of BlackRock) anxiously await the start of the feast. Our only hope is that these beasts and their successors can thrive on a devastated planet, but not on a completely annihilated one.

    • @catalincarceanu7991
      @catalincarceanu7991 Месяц назад +2

      Black Rock remind me about Agri Joint .
      During 1920 and 1941 ,the soviet jews ,with massive support from Jewish American organisation ,,Agri Joint " were on they way in creating a Jewish Socialist Soviet Republic in an area covering Southern Ukraine ,Crimea and all Black Sea shore till Abhazia.
      The process has been paused by the arrival of the brave Romanian troops .
      After the end of the war ,the Jewish lobby from USSR tried to resume and finish the process but Stalin ,suspecting the fact that the jews want to create a Jewish State and to secede from USSR stopped the process ,executing part of this jewish lobby ,or deporting the others ( Molotov's wife ,for exemple) on the supposition they are part of USA's plot to take over Crimea .
      Unfortunately,accidents happens and Zelensky's family survived.
      Years after,we have a strong jewish lobby in USA and the jews still dream in transforming Crimea and parts of Ukraine in a Black Sea located Jewish State.
      That explain the involvement of Nuland ,Blinken and other US Jews in the ,,russo"- ukrainian conflict ,starting with the Orange Revolution and Maidan which were massively sponsorised by USA ( 5 billions dollars) following the american jews pressure ,and ending with this war ,also massively sponsored by USA .

    • @kirilgotzkov2654
      @kirilgotzkov2654 Месяц назад +1

      Hazaria

    • @catalincarceanu7991
      @catalincarceanu7991 Месяц назад

      @@kirilgotzkov2654 точно!!

  • @MdeKok-gv7wg
    @MdeKok-gv7wg Месяц назад +9

    I discovered a very interesting thing about the Ukrainian-Russian conflict: I posed ChatGPT the question: What would Otto von Bismarck have said about the quarrel and the lack of diplomacy between the west and Russia in the case of Ukraine? The answer was very relevant.

    • @РафаэльСаркисянц-ъ2т
      @РафаэльСаркисянц-ъ2т Месяц назад +3

      Отто фон Бисмарк, так же предостерегал о войне с Рооссией, непредсказуемость русских, ставила его в тупик.

    • @ralphbernhard1757
      @ralphbernhard1757 Месяц назад +9

      @@MdeKok-gv7wg Bismarck: "The secret of success? Make a good treaty with Russia."
      The guy had a knack for not wasting words.

    • @drscopeify
      @drscopeify Месяц назад

      Otto Von Bismarck always knew Germany would have large conflicts with Russia as both want land empires. The British Empire simply wanted to maintain status quo in Europe and Germany had always failed to realize this, and could have found ways to take on Russia without triggering war with the West but Germany was hot-headed and thought they could win on 2 sides and failed twice. Today in 2024 however Russia and Germany are both old countries and facing 70 years of population decline in the future so any future war will only bring the countries to collapse. Russia in 10 years will lose most of it's skilled workers as China exports to Russia more and more over time which after the Ukraine war is over will collapse what is left of Russian industry as China exports for much lower prices. Funny enough what destroyed the USSR was not the west it was China and how they flooded the world with cheap goods making the pillar of the USSR which was Industry and manufacturing to COLLAPSE. YES it was China that destroyed the USSR.

  • @SteveMcGreen
    @SteveMcGreen Месяц назад +5

    History repeats itself and we have ALWAYS refused to learn from it. We will get what we deserve.

  • @jamess125
    @jamess125 Месяц назад +9

    Hell on Earth podcast series is relevant to this topic. They explore similar parallels surrounding the outbreak of the 30 Years War in 1618.
    To oversimplify: printing technology lead to mass literacy, fueling a crisis in faith of the hegemonic Papal authority-- which had affirmed it's own legitimacy, and began liquidating it's icons and institutions for personal profit grabs.
    The hegemonic order had allowed the reign of weak, petty, hubristic leaders. In collapse of the church mono-pole, the power grabs were reckless, rapacious, personalized, and often driven by ideological fervor. Rulers who were satisfied in their approaches began to run into realities they didn't understand, and pushing their machines of state far past their carrying capacity.
    It's a compelling series, I can't recommend it highly enough.

  • @fanis4093
    @fanis4093 Месяц назад +8

    It reminds me the Greek Mythology. They had kind of a "Belle Epoque" at the time of the Trojan War. This also coincides with Bronze Age Collapse.

  • @MediaCreators
    @MediaCreators Месяц назад +9

    Vox populi! After decades of striving to illuminate the bigger picture for my fellow humans, I have come to the conclusion that it is time to withdraw to my island-quite literally-and observe as events play out. Perhaps there truly is an invisible hand at work, guiding it all.

    • @elianamckee
      @elianamckee Месяц назад +1

      I was thinking about this too, although I don’t have an island. Homo sapiens named himself a little prematurely. There’s no sapiens in the average Homo.

    • @drscopeify
      @drscopeify Месяц назад

      There is no illuminate that is just a story

  • @rajrai2105
    @rajrai2105 Месяц назад +8

    This was true and deep thought provoking observation. Admirable !

  • @quadrasaurus-rex8809
    @quadrasaurus-rex8809 Месяц назад +2

    “Apocalypse Now” is a modernization of Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness” and is perhaps one of the best films ever made. I say this because it was one of the rare times in which the truth was told about the nature of empire in the west. Were there again, faced with civilizational decay our leaders have clearly chosen another grab at global power and domination as some sort of panacea. “The horror, the horror…”

  • @ralphbernhard1757
    @ralphbernhard1757 Месяц назад +29

    "The primordial interest of the United States - over which for a century we have fought wars (the first, second, and Cold War) - has been the relationship between Germany and Russia. Because united they are the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn't happen ... For the United States: The primordial fear is German technology, German capital, and Russian natural resources, Russian manpower as the only combination that has for centuries scared the hell out of the United States." - George Friedman, Stratfor, Feb 2015
    Yes, that has always been the aim of the naval powers, Great Britain and the USA.
    That includes this current war in the Ukraine" which was not avoided (grand strategy) by the USA/NATO even if it could have been avoided by very simple diplomatic means around the year 2000 (with a signed comprehensive European security agreement which incl. Russia).
    Several historians like Richard Overy (GB) and Daniele Ganser (Switzerland) have come to conclusion that imperialism were the root causes of all European wars, as based on the study of historical data.
    Here are the critical questions.
    If that is the realization, then HOW were the naval powers going to implement such continental Eurasian/European division?
    How were, both currently and historically, London and Washington DC going to (quote) "make sure that that doesn't happen"?
    Answer: Proactively implement the "divide and rule"-technique of power.
    That is the "divide and rule"-strategy of politics (or the associated divide then gain/control technique of power).
    It is to create confusion, which can be exploited.
    We should never forget that Mearsheimer famously "predicted" the war in the Ukraine, not _only_ because it was clear how the "encirled" REact (Russia), but also because it is clear how the "encirclers" (the "buck passers" USA/EU/NATO) PROact in strategy.

    • @alexanderg-p3z
      @alexanderg-p3z Месяц назад +11

      NATO founding principle: "Keep USA in, Keep Russia out, and keep Germany down."

    • @nooonanoonung6237
      @nooonanoonung6237 Месяц назад +14

      Now they have Chinese+Russian technology, Chinese capital, Chinese workforce and Russian natural resources.

    • @joesaba386
      @joesaba386 Месяц назад +1

      Typical american exceptionalism that won't acknowledge Russian technology, only resources!!! Remember Yuri Gagarin went to Space first. The Periodic Table of Elements and many other scientific discoveries where discovered by Russians.

    • @Buf-g6m
      @Buf-g6m Месяц назад

      Russia+china plus a new quasi institution (brics+) of a whole new character will be a much bigger juggernaut imo than any russo-german collusion.

    • @anata5127
      @anata5127 Месяц назад +3

      This is not US interest, neither Britain interest. It is interest of another country.

  • @Kesan77
    @Kesan77 Месяц назад +3

    Fascinating discussion. Well done Pascal!

  • @vigorberg4798
    @vigorberg4798 Месяц назад +4

    The Earth brings all things holy to life and nourishes them with wisdom.

  • @seandonoghue8197
    @seandonoghue8197 Месяц назад +2

    The parallels are there because starting a war without it looking like being your fault is a formula.

  • @972vein
    @972vein Месяц назад +3

    I have to commend you, Pascal, for the amazing people you have on. Thank you very much.

  • @audrajones
    @audrajones Месяц назад

    Good job keeping this on track toward clarity, Pascal! I am always appreciative.

  • @jamessmithers4456
    @jamessmithers4456 Месяц назад +6

    Think if it. Imagine you are 75 yrs old in Europe or North American and look back over that period of 3/4s of a century. The region was at peace, not withstanding the nuclear balance of terror, or more accurately because of it. A period of great prosperiity developed, a panoply of scientific developments occurred and rapidly found their way into giant strides of improvement of daily life,
    secondary and tertiary education became increasingly generalised, steady and significant increases in productivity, barriers to trade dropped, vast improvements in infrastructure occurred, personal freedoms expanded as pressures for conformism diminished, the pill permit a great sexual liberation, travel became effortless, public welfare systems became steadily broader and were easily funded from increase growth. The entry into this new belle epoque extended to Japan and S. Korea by the mid 1950s, to China from the mid 1980s, and to Russia say 2000. Indeed a new Belle Epoque is how some one 75 yrs of age in in the West lived this period. Obviously over the past years the world has entered a period of vast and profound change. Some of the changes are born from forces unleashed during thus recnt Belle epoque, some are more deep seated and historic. The Belle Epique was followed. y the roaring 20's, revolution, financial and economic calamity, and world war. To what will this more recent Belle Epoque lead???

    • @Human-le9nt
      @Human-le9nt Месяц назад +3

      Quelle belle époque?

    • @carmenonea3800
      @carmenonea3800 Месяц назад +3

      no Belle Epoque for Eastern Europe, for example just F...Epoque. People need to come out of the stupor of decadence estetics

    • @Joseph-w3m9f
      @Joseph-w3m9f Месяц назад

      Chaos in the end time, totalitarian control over the human cattle - mark of the beast rejecting The Faith of Jesus Christ. The future is for a world of total evil .but before the second Coming of the Lord Jesus .

  • @tarey05
    @tarey05 Месяц назад +1

    The "Upstairs, Downstairs" series of the late 70's on BBC depicted the era rather realistically.

    • @tarey05
      @tarey05 Месяц назад +1

      It was created and produced by a woman, Jean Marsh.

  • @VarnaPeaceInstitute
    @VarnaPeaceInstitute Месяц назад +2

    This is an absolut great discussion on an important topic! Belle Epoque is a great concept of understanding our popular culture and mainstream ideology!

  • @thomasstorgaard9750
    @thomasstorgaard9750 Месяц назад +2

    "Downton Abbey" was the popular series on an English aristocratic family.

  • @heatherheight
    @heatherheight Месяц назад +7

    Did you really get through this whole conversation without mentioning Israel? Did I miss it? Genocide seems pretty significant to the topic.

    • @JackParsons.
      @JackParsons. Месяц назад +2

      They would be banned for that.

    • @Kelly-45916
      @Kelly-45916 Месяц назад

      Correct. Banned and Blacklisted.​@@JackParsons.

    • @scramjet4610
      @scramjet4610 Месяц назад

      And the October 7 Massacre of the Jews is not "Genocide" according to you? Really? It's ok with you that truck loads of AK47 goons massacred unarmed civilians in Israel on Oct. 7. That isn't "Genocide" to you?

  • @vivalaleta
    @vivalaleta Месяц назад +5

    YT is regularly deleting my pro Stein or anti Israel comments and FB has sneakily denied me entrance for months.

    • @IJ72
      @IJ72 Месяц назад +2

      Same for me on YT! Facebook I don't use. Censure is way of democraty! And democraty is best served as hypocracy!

    • @tarey05
      @tarey05 Месяц назад +2

      Same situation for so many!

  • @sloughshrew9987
    @sloughshrew9987 Месяц назад +4

    Very enlightening lecture.

  • @Davod2139
    @Davod2139 Месяц назад +4

    I am beginning to think the US ruling class isn't actually sentient.

  • @piotrberman6363
    @piotrberman6363 Месяц назад +7

    One aspect of Belle Epoque common with these days is that the elite adopts to challenges of a new information technology in time, and before the next technology comes (or some other events), it aptly manipulates public opinion. Until early 19th century, paper and print did exists, but were not cheap, so only "upper middle class and higher" could be well read, but then wood based paper appeared, and probably printing technology became less laborious to use, and newspapers proliferated spreading scandals and ideas not controlled by the elite. And social media on the internet is something that the elite had to adopt too.
    The second aspect is that the ruling elites may manipulate to their own detriment, in the aftermath of WWI they were hugely discredited, new ideologies gained mass following and only after the end of WWII things returned to "normal", basically unchallenged reign of the elite. A complex issue here. But interestingly, the kind of calamitous error that was made is very similar to what happens now. United Germany was quickly industrializing, and started to dominate science, engineering and had the other power felt that Germany + allies have to be contained. And that had a mirror image within the future Axis. Now the West has malcontents of the "rule based world order" (a very recent phrase, but "hierarchical hegemony" is an exonym, so to speak) that have to be contained, isolated and cut down to size with force whenever possible. And the camp of malcontents does not meekly wait to succumb, so another titanic clash with no winners may result.

  • @Ged-k7w
    @Ged-k7w Месяц назад +4

    The pattern is clear ...

  • @lukehunnable
    @lukehunnable Месяц назад +7

    I think Pascal was thinking of "Downton Abbey"

    • @NapaValleyVegan
      @NapaValleyVegan Месяц назад +8

      I think it was Bridgerton. I couldn’t make it through the first episode. It is definitely solely about the costumes & relationships.

    • @belindathompson267
      @belindathompson267 Месяц назад

      I thought that too initially but, on second thoughts, it’s definitely Bridgerton. Whilst you could describe Downton as nostalgia for “the good old days” of the British empire…at least it has some social commentary. Bridgerton is just aesthetics and s$x.

    • @tracysmith-yv5lt
      @tracysmith-yv5lt Месяц назад

      @@NapaValleyVegan never watched that yet the Period and history were amazing now we have jeans and sweatshirts hooded tops what will they think of our fashion in the future not much since the 80s

  • @zaneenaz4962
    @zaneenaz4962 Месяц назад +3

    The narrowing of the public discourse has given many to leave msm, question the pr and further participation with something that they have no say in, or even feel is attacking them. the agenda ... instills both fear and anger.

  • @RlsIII-uz1kl
    @RlsIII-uz1kl Месяц назад +6

    I believe it is much larger than 1914, which metaphorically is a new year in a new season. We've entered a new season in a new year in a new millinia.

    • @Mountain_bonker
      @Mountain_bonker Месяц назад +3

      yes we have. The age of aquarius is here. Also known as the 4th turning. May god have mercy on us for he has something terrible in store for us

    • @VladaldTrumptin
      @VladaldTrumptin Месяц назад

      @@Mountain_bonkerwhy do you say something terrible?

  • @peggymog
    @peggymog Месяц назад +5

    I agree with the parallels you are making but to a large extent back then there was more intelligence and morality , that's what really sets this apart. There is something very dark about what is happening now. Not least a massive and deliberate k. U..l.l. ? ?

  • @oldcronediy486
    @oldcronediy486 Месяц назад +2

    Y2K and 9/11 were very powerful pivot points which ushered in the apocalyptic sense of urgency and uncertainty with mass propaganda and the loss of rights. Here in the USA, they even went so far as to put Zombies on emergency preparedness poster for the general public in 2011.

  • @Ged-k7w
    @Ged-k7w Месяц назад +4

    Great team,😊

  • @TheMightyAvonJnr
    @TheMightyAvonJnr Месяц назад

    important detail for Dennis : "Coronation St" is NOT a medical drama. That's a fascinating point Dennis! Cheers.

  • @Warkurus
    @Warkurus Месяц назад +2

    If the project really goes from 1885 to 1985, you NEED to include a "Back to the Future" reference!

    • @Laughlvn
      @Laughlvn Месяц назад +2

      Terrible oversight!

  • @3rdworldvictimyouvebeenlie817
    @3rdworldvictimyouvebeenlie817 Месяц назад +2

    This was very refreshing and depressing too, great cast regardless!

  • @IcconaLoiminna
    @IcconaLoiminna Месяц назад +5

    Most of the features described apply to pretty much every civilisation in crisis.

  • @robertlowe9695
    @robertlowe9695 Месяц назад +4

    Fascinating discussion. There are some other parallels between now and the decades before WW1. One is the role of numerous deep-seated inter-ethnic feuds, mainly but not only across Europe, coupled with imperial decay, which created a diplomatic environment that ultimately proved unmanageable. This is one of the major themes in Christopher Clark's book, The Sleepwalkers.
    A second parallel is a sense of accelerating technological change coupled with energy system transition. Then, from coal to oil, now from fossil fuels to renewables or perhaps nuclear. British coal production peaked around 1910 and has declined, almost continuously, ever since. This both destabilised Britain and intensified its efforts to secure access to oil in Iran. More broadly, it reshuffled the global pecking order with implications that are working themselves out still.

  • @alistairbest3622
    @alistairbest3622 Месяц назад +4

    .... the main differences between 1914 to 2024, are "Greed and Corruption", which weren't as pronounced in 1914.

    • @Drottninggatan2017
      @Drottninggatan2017 Месяц назад

      Are you kidding?
      What about the sinking of the Titanic / Olympic and the strife to get the revolution going in Russia after the Tsar went against the banksters. They worked for decades to get that war going, and kept it going until they succeeded with the revolution. No one wanted to fight for 4 years and no one to this day knows why that war started. No, it was not the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

  • @juliahartshorn2473
    @juliahartshorn2473 Месяц назад +2

    Seems pretty clear to me that where we are shows just how pathetic societies and structure can be when it is left entirely to men to sort out, and Colonial Capitalist ones at that: misogyny, bigotry, ego, sexual predation, organised crime ~ all this is evidence of the worst members of human society being heralded as the best, and the obvious inevitability that these traits are destructive to the responsible and nurturing spirit of parenting, and raising competent, capable, stable, and engaged human beings. (I am sure intelligent people could explain my view far better than me, but I am impatient now that we are where we are and these disastrous people cannot be taken down in international law or by public protest.

  • @doofus9007
    @doofus9007 Месяц назад +2

    Great questions :) to the discussion about social media, i would talk instead about general media-balkanisation.

  • @rpreto72
    @rpreto72 Месяц назад +1

    Great talk. I've being also thinking on the parallels between our current short era and our pasts longer eras. History happens faster and faster.

  • @MickFutz1
    @MickFutz1 Месяц назад +1

    It’s shocking the individuals that celebrate the death of certain people, war, candidates and countries. I cry for the nation, nay, the world.

  • @katejudson8907
    @katejudson8907 Месяц назад +2

    Very important discourse happening here. I lament however, deeply, the absence of both a female perspective and any reference to the social experience of the times then and now of women. They not only compose half of the picture, which is evidently being left out here, but the changes in both epochs both by women and for women are massively significant in economic, political and cultural inputs and restrictions. I'm a bit surprised to see that Pascal you didn't recognise this blindspot in today's discussion, often you acknowledge something of the limitations of the terms of reference during your panel discussions for the viewers, but... there's always tomorrow. There was plenty of meat on the bones to gnaw at with these guests but with all due respect your discussion was embarrasingly a male cannon version of people, places and events.

    • @VladaldTrumptin
      @VladaldTrumptin Месяц назад

      And they wonder why we always wind up blowing each other to smithereens!

  • @SolomanGrundy1
    @SolomanGrundy1 Месяц назад +2

    Is Johan Normal? Why does he look up into the air? Does he see things we can’t? What spectrum and frequency is he on?

    • @LilyGazou
      @LilyGazou Месяц назад

      Forgets he is visible

    • @tahirrizwan6759
      @tahirrizwan6759 Месяц назад

      That’s just how some people take in information and actively listen!

  • @lominiski
    @lominiski Месяц назад +3

    Yeah Nato is just another version of League of Nations. It is just a group a countries changing. Look at the Korean war. WW1 was League of Nations. WW2 the UN. Never really changed.

  • @CindyRe
    @CindyRe Месяц назад +1

    Talking about the end of the world movies and the clearvoyant directors/screenplay writers, I am surprised you did not mention Lars von Trier and his Melancholia (2011). Great movie, by the way.

  • @jamessmithers4456
    @jamessmithers4456 Месяц назад +1

    You are referring to Hélène Carrère d'Encausse, Decline of an Empire: The Soviet Socialist Republics in Revolt: Russia Between Two Worlds.
    She published in 1978: L'Empire éclaté : la révolte des nations en URSS [fr] (Flammarion), in English: Decline of an Empire: The Soviet Socialist Republics in Revolt. (Newsweek Books, New York 1979)
    She was a descendant of pre-Revolutionary of Georgia. During World War 2, her father collaborated ewith the French Vichy government and directly with the Nazi occupation forces.

  • @CarolPrice4p
    @CarolPrice4p Месяц назад +1

    Thanks for this.

  • @TheLivirus
    @TheLivirus Месяц назад +2

    Kul att se att det finns landsmän med vettet i behåll och som bryr sig.

    • @IJ72
      @IJ72 Месяц назад

      Gör dig redo för krig. Staten kommer att skicka dig och dina barn, om du har några! Eller du bli förklarad som fiende. Jag lämnar landet so fort kriget kommer! Ha det bra

  • @marioquadros5650
    @marioquadros5650 Месяц назад +1

    Excellent program.

  • @Phuckitall
    @Phuckitall Месяц назад +1

    Excellent discussion, thank you so much. You might watch the South Korean show, Happiness, to get a glimpse of what life in a post-pandemic - and pandemic prone society, might be. Exceedingly thought-provoking series. Cheers!

  • @postscript5549
    @postscript5549 Месяц назад

    I've never visited your channel before. I did so when I saw the thumbnail. I was just watching a talk on current Sino - Japanese relations. My mind went to the beginning of WW1.

  • @geoeconomics5629
    @geoeconomics5629 Месяц назад +2

    For the USA it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America

    • @drscopeify
      @drscopeify Месяц назад

      The USA does not care about that at all, The EU for example has a more powerful economy and currancy than the USA itself. So that makes no sense. India also has a future of being more powerful than China or the USA but the USA dose not have any issue with that and is quickly expanding imports from India instead of China.

    • @geoeconomics5629
      @geoeconomics5629 Месяц назад

      @@drscopeify
      For the USA
      It is Imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America
      Zbig
      Kissinger
      Spykman
      Nuland
      Obama
      Etc...

  • @ritacastellanos523
    @ritacastellanos523 Месяц назад +1

    I utterly agree unforgunately😢

  • @NV_Out-of-Place
    @NV_Out-of-Place Месяц назад +1

    Very interesting conversation. Esthetics Resistance sounds like a great concept. Dreyfus/Assange should be really studied. Thank you Pascal!

  • @claudermiller
    @claudermiller Месяц назад +2

    Belle epoch, the period between 1871 and 1914.

  • @matriputra2624
    @matriputra2624 Месяц назад +3

    @18:00 Surely, Dostoyevski not Solzhenitsyn. But a great discussion, Pascal keep it up!

  • @richardrussell155
    @richardrussell155 Месяц назад +1

    Roger Casement deserves a mention, as does 'The Rings of Saturn' by WG Sebald.

    • @LilyGazou
      @LilyGazou Месяц назад

      Just reading that -excellent.

  • @Jose-w9x9x
    @Jose-w9x9x Месяц назад

    Great minds, excellent discussion!

  • @JackGreystoke
    @JackGreystoke Месяц назад

    Very interesting. Thank you

  • @richardrussell155
    @richardrussell155 Месяц назад

    True Detective 1 was magnificent.

  • @marchendrickson1065
    @marchendrickson1065 Месяц назад

    The difference between the Belle Epoque and present day is the preprogramming.

  • @Hystericall
    @Hystericall Месяц назад +1

    WW1 was a disaster for Europe, but it was a call to liberation for the colonized enslaved world. Revolutionaries in Russia, China, Vietnam, etc all look to it for hope for independence.

  •  Месяц назад

    I think what you meant to say about Balkans, is that people did not change their 'nationality', but rather official state there were living in. You can not just stop being Serb or Croatian :)

  • @fredflinstone6601
    @fredflinstone6601 Месяц назад +2

    Dreyfus may have been guilty

  • @williamanderson8932
    @williamanderson8932 Месяц назад +2

    The Dreyfus are still around now family know own Sunderland A.F.C. football club they are also A business Dynasty. Going back over 190years.

  • @marwanali2135
    @marwanali2135 Месяц назад +1

    I always thought about the phenomenas you mentioned especially about the nudging via Netflix etc.. and social media. I knew there were similarities with the run up to WW1 and 2 for that matter (persecution of minorities and hanging all the issues on them rather than the system itself). But did not have the facts and resources. Thanks for this work.

  • @flamani54
    @flamani54 Месяц назад +1

    M. Lottaz, vous faites un travail d'utilite publique au niveau de l'occident, particulierement avec cette nouvelle video ou vous interrogez vos invites sur les causes reelles et profondes qui ont conduit le monde au bord de l'abime ou nous nous trouvons tous aujourd'hui. Les occidentaux, pris au sens large, n'ont l'air de ne s'etre jamais pose de questions sur leur traitement du reste du monde; comment et pourquoi ils en sont arrives a ce point. Merci de leur tendre ce miroir.

  • @theburningarchive
    @theburningarchive Месяц назад

    Great to discuss the broader cultural dimensions of the historic changes of the moment. Thanks Pascal. PS the anthropologist (whose name Prof Riches mislaid) who predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union was Emmanuel Todd - of course. But his view was quite an outlier and not the typical view of Western elites in the 70's. USSR appeared strong, including to Mao.

  • @Brakka86
    @Brakka86 27 дней назад

    A roaring wind tore the gates asunder; whistling,shrieking, and keening, it cast a black coffin before me. And amid the roaring and whistling and shrieking the coffin burst open and spouted a thousand peals of laughter.

  • @wojciechwilk6954
    @wojciechwilk6954 Месяц назад +2

    ww1 never ended.

  • @DenianArcoleo
    @DenianArcoleo Месяц назад

    Very interesting discussion. I must however point out that is unlikely that Conrad hated Solzhenitsyn (I guess you mean his work)- Conrad died in 1924 and Solzhenitsyn was born in 1918.

  • @tracysmith-yv5lt
    @tracysmith-yv5lt Месяц назад +1

    what about another depression that happened in Germany before WW2 will we get another one this year?

  • @davidekhalil944
    @davidekhalil944 Месяц назад +3

    Reincarnation plays a significant role - the same souls seek the same thing - its why the same wars reincarnate - it might be interesting to get the perspective of a deep buddhist historian to discuss how world wars reincarnate because the souls are after the same experiences... and how karma is like momentum, not a christian retribution, but just a momentum of whatever that soul most desired... and how these collective desires have nazi's in ukraine wearing the same helmets even, the same insignia back at it to attack russia in the same places. You're in japan, surely you can find a scholar who has deep awareness of reincarnation and its impacts on this apocalypse history.

    • @Mountain_bonker
      @Mountain_bonker Месяц назад +1

      You’re onto nothing bro

    • @PaddyMacDaddy101
      @PaddyMacDaddy101 Месяц назад

      The reason those "soldiers" have those insignia's is not down to reincarnation of a belief system it is simply because that country housed it's own form of German ideology that persists to this very day.
      This of course was silenced by western msm and brushed aside as Russian propaganda.

  • @gerhard7323
    @gerhard7323 Месяц назад

    Belle époquism is basically the Age of Decadence.

  • @stenyethanmathews945
    @stenyethanmathews945 Месяц назад +1

    Imagine if the US, instead of investing in the Israel or Ukraine debacle, instead chose to use their financial resources to upgrade the water delivery systems for Flint Michigan and Jackson Mississippi. 😅one can only wish i guess. Maybe in a hundred years?

  • @larsh2923
    @larsh2923 Месяц назад +2

    Johan Eddebo is so out of touch he uses the term "third world".

    • @NapaValleyVegan
      @NapaValleyVegan Месяц назад +1

      It was called the 3rd world my entire life (54 years) so is he really that out of touch?

    • @Laughlvn
      @Laughlvn Месяц назад +1

      Well, I tried to get the "scare quotes" in, but I guess the "global south" is more appropriate in general. Although "third world" primarily referred to non-aligned states during the Cold War, so it has some relevance since a lot of the discussion touches on that historical period.

  • @renstein8210
    @renstein8210 Месяц назад +4

    Just discussing movies at about 34:00. I think super hero movies are so popular with the movie studios because they teach the message that you need to be exceptional (have super powers) in order to make changes in the world. They also tend to escalate every problem into a possible world ending issue. These are lessons that the studios want us to believe.

    • @iandougall7169
      @iandougall7169 Месяц назад +1

      That's a very interesting observation which I hadn't thought of.

  • @tarey05
    @tarey05 Месяц назад

    Immigrant Hollywood film directors of the 30', '40's, '50's-- Ernst Lubitsz, George Cukor, William Wyler, Frank Capra, Stanley Donen among many others "told" their own stories and those of the working class so successfully that the films became classics!

  • @MichaelTuminello-q8c
    @MichaelTuminello-q8c Месяц назад

    If Deutschland owed the USA 2 Billion in 1915, instead of GB and France. The USA would have sided with Deutschland.

  • @svenhanson398
    @svenhanson398 Месяц назад

    Every period in history is unique so one has to be careful in seeing similarities, it can diminish one's focus on the differences. And by that skew an understanding one which to reach.

  • @kylieharper5405
    @kylieharper5405 Месяц назад

    David Simon's work, Homicide Life on the Street and The Wire is about working class and does not show Police as heroic or propagandize. Chris Haddock in Canada makes this type of work too. His series Da Vinci's Inquest and Intelligence are really.

  • @bunmitella9672
    @bunmitella9672 Месяц назад

    Coronation street was not a medical drama but great convo guys