I've got to ask: has Centrowitz ever won a 1500m that wasn't a tactical sit-and-kick affair? Anytime I've seen him win the finish times are quite slow.
He runs to his strengths. That's to sit and have a fast last lap. That's what makes him a winner and not a regular loser. Someone like Pre, who I admired tremendously as a tough fighter, NEVER won anything important. His times weren't fast enough and he wasn't a fast finisher either. So who goes down in history as a successful athlete? The one who wins Gold in a slow race or a battler to was never in the top three in big races?
John Wilson Funny because everyone remembers pre. Also irrelevant because pre died before his career could even come to fruition. Not saying either is wrong, Pre is just an awful example to use.
@@MrHaram-dc3et Hi. As I said, I admired Pre as a "Runners runner". A gutsy fighter. It comes down to how "Success" is measured. The great runner Ron Clarke from Australia set something like 17 (??) World Records on the track yet NEVER won Olympic Gold. He at least had the world records. Pre had neither fast times nor Olympic medals of any colour, much less Gold. Does that make him a failure. Hell no. He was a very good runner. Much loved and much admired for his personality and style of running. Also his association with Nike in its early days was probably his greatest achievement. Some of us Kiwis planned to campaign in the USA leading up to the Montreal games in 76. Pre would have been a good workhorse gauge to see how our training was going. Of the 6 of us, 5 were faster over 5000m and MUCH faster over 1500m than Pre. I was the exception as I was a slow dog. LOL. It was with great sadness that he died in an accident in 75.
I wish just one of these top guys was fed up with the tactical shit and just took it out at a decent pace. Like if I wanted to watch an 800 I would’ve clicked on an 800 video.
100%. It's like a fighter who isn't exciting but also always wins. You gotta respect that they're great at what they do but that doesn't mean it's fun to watch.
Agree. He did get into trouble there with all the pushing towards the end, which did keep him off balance the last lap, but his form has always been rough.
Centrowitz ran the slowest time since 1932 Olympics when he ran 3:50.00 in Rio (2016). That's almost the slowest time in a century. I find that remarkable given the number of high ability recreational runners who can run at that pace. However, to Centrowitz credit, he ran a 3:33:42 stunning Mo Farrar (PB: 3:28) at the USATF in 2017. He knows how to win.
There will always be a debate over which is more important, records or winning. I tend to lean toward winning. Assuming that the rest of the field is appropriately matched, I feel that winning the race is more impressive than breaking a record. That's not taking anything away from the world record holders (obviously). Anyone who is able to break a world record (or national record, or whatever level record) has achieved something amazing. That said, I'm sure that there are many world record holders that would love to have an Olympic (or World Championship) gold medal. But that's just my perspective.
I agree, it is about winning. It's about knowing your opponents and their abilities, particularly in the middle distances. Many fail to run their own race however. The only way I could beat one runner in the 1500 m was to run faster from the beginning. My opponent could not maintain that pace throughout the race. Yet, when I ran their pace, I could never match their speed in the final 250 metres. The age difference, to make it interesting, was thirty eight years.
When the Africans nail the first 800 meters in 1:54, they always beat Centrowitz. Guarantee that in the 1500 m final at 2020 Olympics, the Africans will run the first 800 in sub 1:55. Centrowitz better figure out how to run a sub 1:55 for his first 800, in order to win another gold. Or, he could move up to 5000 meters.
He has a mile PR of 3:50. Just because he wins slow races doesn't mean he can't run fast. He's also a 3:30 1500m runner. Both of those races are sub 1:55 for 800m.
the U.S. is so weak at this distance jeez. centro hasn't been anywhere near his pr in ages. he is almost beat by college kids and 16 year old kids everywhere
The USA has destroyed front running by top athletes at the College/University level because of constant use of pacemakers in their races. They sometimes use two pacemakers. One drops out after about 500m and the other at around 1000m. So when the big Championship races occur, very few athletes have front running experience. No one wants to sacriface their chance and lead. The races immediately develop into tactical races and are slow. Fast kickers then usually win and the times are "slow" by world standards. BUT... there are quite a few excellent 1500m USA runners with good times, most all achieved in "paced" races. Do you see the problem? STOP USING PACEMAKERS, except for special races.
This must have been the most boring US 1500m championship race ever run. I’d rather cut my toe nails than watch this. What a disrespect to the fans in the stands that day.
American distance running is so pathetic these days no one is even trying to run fast, 400m - 63 and 800m - 2:07 ??? Skip watching this race no need....
Sandy Combs it’s a meet that goes by place. They are running for place, not time. They’ll run faster at a meet that doesn’t have as much weight on place.
It doesn't matter how fast I run I'm not a world class runner, but I know enough about running to know that the US is weak in the distances and this is only a reflection of that.
i genuinely believe centrowitz is cheating , that guy is an average 1500 runner who takes drugs for major champs. kiprop was already caught , centro is next
Well no one who runs that fast is totally au natural. There is always something they are taking, whether its legal or not. There is a reason records have fallen so much in the last 20 years when interest in running isn't nearly what it used to be. When I was running Said Aouita ran the first sub 13 minute 5k. Now there have been 5 or more Americans alone who have done it.
What up, Andy? Although we have not met, I "feel" ya, bro..... obviously, WE know our skit! What seperate`s u, Andy, is u ain't afraid to attach ur name to it! Although too chicken myself to claim it,, i want u to know thatI think ur right. I got ur back. I don't think WE will have more than week's to wait either, Andy. Your vindication draws nigh...! What? The date? What date check? ? OHHH! I see.... OK. U said to "check the date of Andy's bold predictions..." OH. "THREE years ago!? For real? Nah. Not 3 years.... Sorry, (I'm speaking w/ my son. He just turned 2 & he can be hard to understand sometime (especially when he wont stop laughing while speaking "toddler" @ the same time...... Stop it, son! .....What's so funny?.... What? Who so funny? OH, Yes, yes! "Andy so funny ..... & stupid!" (Sorry, I added that myself....) I would conservatively estimate that our OLYMPIC Champion, our 5 time National champion has tested well over 100x since u let ur bf convince u to just "go for it" & press send.. .. yeah....That didnt age well @ all...... Peace!
you do realize many championship races are just jogfests where the runners simply try to outsprint each other with around 200 meters to go? They weren't going for a fast time, they were trying to win.
NoHands yeah except if they know they arnt gonna win the last 300-400 meters they should go for an all guts race. I'm sure some of those guys on the line knew they couldn't out-sprint Centro so they should've taken it out from the beginning
@@keeganhughes6947 The reason they didn't is that by pushing the pace you put yourself at a pretty big disadvantage by letting the entire field pace off of you. No one wants to go out and run a gutsy race just to get passed by everyone with 80m to go. You would know that if you've ever ran in Elite mid-distance race (Senior Men's National Championships, Olympic Trials or NCAA Championships). The only way you can win and front run is by being significantly better than everyone else who lines up.
@GemMint1952Mantle I'm an American and I love centro's ability to control a field of runners and force them to run his race. That's why he's got an olympic gold after all :)
Gotta watch out for that Chris Angle, he's a quick one that guy
Haha smh. Women commentators don’t know what they talking bout lol
@@jonah8778 yeahhh go sexism woohoo
Chris engels, I'm sorry, angle
She was right though, Chris 📐 's kick is usually pretty killer
>62 second 400m
>"A slow, meandering affair"
Christ these guys are fast
It seems like a tactical 1500m is run at ~4:00/mile pace while a 'fast' 1500m is run around 3:50/mile pace
Thank you for showing the race and not just the interview;! ..... Flo.....
I've got to ask: has Centrowitz ever won a 1500m that wasn't a tactical sit-and-kick affair? Anytime I've seen him win the finish times are quite slow.
Even with 3:30 PR, he still chooses to run this way, What a pussy!
He runs to his strengths. That's to sit and have a fast last lap. That's what makes him a winner and not a regular loser. Someone like Pre, who I admired tremendously as a tough fighter, NEVER won anything important. His times weren't fast enough and he wasn't a fast finisher either.
So who goes down in history as a successful athlete? The one who wins Gold in a slow race or a battler to was never in the top three in big races?
John Wilson Funny because everyone remembers pre. Also irrelevant because pre died before his career could even come to fruition. Not saying either is wrong, Pre is just an awful example to use.
@@MrHaram-dc3et Hi. As I said, I admired Pre as a "Runners runner". A gutsy fighter. It comes down to how "Success" is measured. The great runner Ron Clarke from Australia set something like 17 (??) World Records on the track yet NEVER won Olympic Gold. He at least had the world records. Pre had neither fast times nor Olympic medals of any colour, much less Gold. Does that make him a failure. Hell no. He was a very good runner. Much loved and much admired for his personality and style of running. Also his association with Nike in its early days was probably his greatest achievement. Some of us Kiwis planned to campaign in the USA leading up to the Montreal games in 76. Pre would have been a good workhorse gauge to see how our training was going. Of the 6 of us, 5 were faster over 5000m and MUCH faster over 1500m than Pre. I was the exception as I was a slow dog. LOL. It was with great sadness that he died in an accident in 75.
@@MrHaram-dc3et Outside of this country Pre is probably not remembered.
I wish just one of these top guys was fed up with the tactical shit and just took it out at a decent pace. Like if I wanted to watch an 800 I would’ve clicked on an 800 video.
That's the reality of "Big Championship" racing versus "time trial, paced" races.
Chariut in the 2019 world championship 1500 may be your cup of tea
Yorks incredible with the 2nd place I met him at a BU mini meet really good dude glad to see he is running so strong
Finally I can wacth a race with Drew Hunter in it
Centro is a tactical genius, but these tactical races still bore me.
100%. It's like a fighter who isn't exciting but also always wins. You gotta respect that they're great at what they do but that doesn't mean it's fun to watch.
@@ragreenburg for you
@@ragreenburg ...& not for the field of runners behind him either, I presume...
What a beautiful day to race, such a nice track.
I think Drew Hunter needs to clean up his form to have a better running economy
Agree. He did get into trouble there with all the pushing towards the end, which did keep him off balance the last lap, but his form has always been rough.
He has way too much side to side movement and his stride is just awkward.
2 words: Eric Jenkins
The Sloth where can I learn form?
Yeah and he looks super nervous/stressed. He's still young.
Chris angel lol he’s going to teleport to the finish
Centrowitz ran the slowest time since 1932 Olympics when he ran 3:50.00 in Rio (2016). That's almost the slowest time in a century. I find that remarkable given the number of high ability recreational runners who can run at that pace. However, to Centrowitz credit, he ran a 3:33:42 stunning Mo Farrar (PB: 3:28) at the USATF in 2017. He knows how to win.
There will always be a debate over which is more important, records or winning. I tend to lean toward winning. Assuming that the rest of the field is appropriately matched, I feel that winning the race is more impressive than breaking a record. That's not taking anything away from the world record holders (obviously). Anyone who is able to break a world record (or national record, or whatever level record) has achieved something amazing. That said, I'm sure that there are many world record holders that would love to have an Olympic (or World Championship) gold medal. But that's just my perspective.
this is his style of running
I agree, it is about winning. It's about knowing your opponents and their abilities, particularly in the middle distances. Many fail to run their own race however. The only way I could beat one runner in the 1500 m was to run faster from the beginning. My opponent could not maintain that pace throughout the race. Yet, when I ran their pace, I could never match their speed in the final 250 metres. The age difference, to make it interesting, was thirty eight years.
What’s important is both. Jakob won the Olympics with the fastest time in Olympic history. Overall it was an honest race (not this)
My 1500m first lap pace just got called slow and meandering. That hit me in the feels
About damn time they uploaded a video. Does anyone know when the 400m is run?
The first lap
Fantastic great run.
When the Africans nail the first 800 meters in 1:54, they always beat Centrowitz. Guarantee that in the 1500 m final at 2020 Olympics, the Africans will run the first 800 in sub 1:55. Centrowitz better figure out how to run a sub 1:55 for his first 800, in order to win another gold. Or, he could move up to 5000 meters.
He has a mile PR of 3:50. Just because he wins slow races doesn't mean he can't run fast. He's also a 3:30 1500m runner. Both of those races are sub 1:55 for 800m.
About time jeeze
If you don't straight out tell me who is going to win the race, I'd be much more likely to watch it.
What the hell Hunter has the form of a 7 year old.
What the hell happened to the 1500?
Go yorks, rep washington state
Yes!!!!
Centro can only win slow races
True
Kept looking for josh Kerr, completely forgot he’s not American 😂
Connor Ryan he’s Scottish
The ole miss guy in this video looks like he has the same build. Bulky build but fast
Chris Engles. Lmao
The jedi nieuw generation ✊👍😎
them accentz
One night when we
Nice girl pace!
sam prackel
the U.S. is so weak at this distance jeez. centro hasn't been anywhere near his pr in ages. he is almost beat by college kids and 16 year old kids everywhere
Centro easily won.
This race isn't about PRing.
The USA has destroyed front running by top athletes at the College/University level because of constant use of pacemakers in their races. They sometimes use two pacemakers. One drops out after about 500m and the other at around 1000m. So when the big Championship races occur, very few athletes have front running experience. No one wants to sacriface their chance and lead. The races immediately develop into tactical races and are slow. Fast kickers then usually win and the times are "slow" by world standards. BUT... there are quite a few excellent 1500m USA runners with good times, most all achieved in "paced" races. Do you see the problem? STOP USING PACEMAKERS, except for special races.
Chris angles what the fucc
Could you imagine hearing if you're an elite world class 1500m runner "They're running what women normally women would be running" ?
Centrowitz back in full form? He ran a 3:43...I wouldn't say he isn't, but I also wouldn't say definitively that he was.
Cecil Evans slow, conservative race and didn’t look like he went all out. Probably in 3:33-35 shape maybe faster
No athlete that isn't back in full form can kick that hard and do so as relaxedly as he did
4:00 mile pace, but they went out in 800m in 4:15 pace which means they came home in about 3:45 pace.
I hate these flippin tactical races. 2:07 800M split? Is this high school?
Lol. I know right?
Damn Eric Jenkin's legs are whiter than Pat Casey's singlet
Weak.
Tinmob
This must have been the most boring US 1500m championship race ever run. I’d rather cut my toe nails than watch this. What a disrespect to the fans in the stands that day.
American distance running is so pathetic these days no one is even trying to run fast, 400m - 63 and 800m - 2:07 ??? Skip watching this race no need....
Sandy Combs it’s a meet that goes by place. They are running for place, not time. They’ll run faster at a meet that doesn’t have as much weight on place.
Yeah forgot about the last half in 1:50.
Yes, a blazing 3:57 mile pace.....
How many sub-4 miles have you ran in your life?
It doesn't matter how fast I run I'm not a world class runner, but I know enough about running to know that the US is weak in the distances and this is only a reflection of that.
Who’s he calling? Salazar?💉💉💉
Where’s Salazar?💉💉💉💉
he ain’t good
i genuinely believe centrowitz is cheating , that guy is an average 1500 runner who takes drugs for major champs. kiprop was already caught , centro is next
Well no one who runs that fast is totally au natural. There is always something they are taking, whether its legal or not. There is a reason records have fallen so much in the last 20 years when interest in running isn't nearly what it used to be. When I was running Said Aouita ran the first sub 13 minute 5k. Now there have been 5 or more Americans alone who have done it.
an andy He’s not on anything... just got a fast kick.
What up, Andy? Although we have not met, I "feel" ya, bro..... obviously, WE know our skit! What seperate`s u, Andy, is u ain't afraid to attach ur name to it! Although too chicken myself to claim it,, i want u to know thatI think ur right. I got ur back. I don't think WE will have more than week's to wait either, Andy. Your vindication draws nigh...!
What? The date? What date check? ? OHHH! I see.... OK. U said to "check the date of Andy's bold predictions..."
OH. "THREE years ago!? For real? Nah. Not 3 years....
Sorry, (I'm speaking w/ my son. He just turned 2 & he can be hard to understand sometime (especially when he wont stop laughing while speaking "toddler" @ the same time...... Stop it, son! .....What's so funny?....
What? Who so funny? OH, Yes, yes!
"Andy so funny ..... & stupid!" (Sorry, I added that myself....)
I would conservatively estimate that our OLYMPIC Champion, our 5 time National champion has tested well over 100x since u let ur bf convince u to just "go for it" & press send..
.. yeah....That didnt age well @ all......
Peace!
@@brendanmcgarry7238 this is loaded
what a joke.....17 year old ingerbritxen from norway ran a 3:36 not long ago....he needs to re assess his carrer or maybe a diff. distance.
you do realize many championship races are just jogfests where the runners simply try to outsprint each other with around 200 meters to go? They weren't going for a fast time, they were trying to win.
SEEEEE
NoHands yeah except if they know they arnt gonna win the last 300-400 meters they should go for an all guts race. I'm sure some of those guys on the line knew they couldn't out-sprint Centro so they should've taken it out from the beginning
@@keeganhughes6947 The reason they didn't is that by pushing the pace you put yourself at a pretty big disadvantage by letting the entire field pace off of you. No one wants to go out and run a gutsy race just to get passed by everyone with 80m to go. You would know that if you've ever ran in Elite mid-distance race (Senior Men's National Championships, Olympic Trials or NCAA Championships). The only way you can win and front run is by being significantly better than everyone else who lines up.
@GemMint1952Mantle I'm an American and I love centro's ability to control a field of runners and force them to run his race. That's why he's got an olympic gold after all :)