If someone feels uneasy with what they’re getting into on the right, always support them. Don’t make excuses for them, don’t judge them for it, and don’t rush the process. Just help them ease out of the brain rot. It took me a couple years to go from leaving the alt right to listening to lefty streamers like Vaush. I had someone listen to me when I tried backtracking on things I said, and it forced me to rethink my stances. It was hard, but I found my way out of it, and I owe part of it to them.
@@BruceOMalley I had a crush on her and didn’t want to ruin my chances. She would’ve voted blue in 2020, had we been 18. I was still critical of trump, so I don’t know who I would’ve chosen. In the weeks leading up to Biden’s victory, I asked her why she didn’t burn the bridge when I tried explaining myself. “I just wanted to hear both sides of the issue.” It’s still beyond me why she did, but I’m grateful nonetheless.
@@V555Vendetta She was, but regretfully the bridge has been burned, and some of it was on me. Writing this comment did hurt a little, but it doesn’t change what she did for me.
I was a gamergater, i started having my stuff get undone when i noticed the violence of Charlottesville, but then i encountered destiny and contrapoints and breadtube
@@psychosalad6653 you guys are still very young, I might not be much older but people that started hating you in highschool might end up being your friend in your 20s it’s happened to me a lot recently, I’m 23 now and guys that hated me in high school are now tryna hang out and smoke weed sometimes
True and based. To be on the right is natural and normal. It takes institutional indoctrination to change this. You are just genetically smoothbrained so it was very early for you
Had a very similar situation. I was a leftist for 6 years. Then, right before me first day of grade school, my mother told me that a "leftist" and a "left-handed person," were different things.
@@mickeyrube6623 dude you will never beat someone at the joke they already made unless you are on an alt right channel please for your sake just don't bother next time
In my experience, it comes when you can no longer make excuses for them going against something you support. For me, it was vaccination, but around 2015-2016. I left a fascist outfit I was in then, floated around right-libertarian spaces for a while, and I've been slowly moving left over the last year, year-and-a-half. I feel terrible about it, but I try to be better every day.
I get that. Reading and listening to trans people this last year got me further away as well. That and NFTs in tabletop games, which disabused me of the notion of the free market.
@@HoriaMarchean it still took me a while before I moved away from your rose of dawns but I think it was contra vaush and xan that pulled me over, I still sorta identified as a centrist but the more the right speaks the less I feel like they are worth hearing out, I kinda miss nfts because they were so fun to clown on
@@pandabanaan9208 I hated NFTs. Profoundly. Leaning more libertarian, the notion that the free market would liberate people and insure the best distribution of resources was fundamental. And then, to see people create scarcity where there is none enraged me to my very core. The very notion: we had the internet, which was unlimited in its power to carry information, and some bastards wanted to create scarcity there. So, that pushed me to the left (whereas previous disagreements pushed me from Romanian Legionary - I'm Romanian - to ancap).
I think one of the very best methods to drag people away from the alt right is to you yourself being a figure with characteristics that they ultimately yearn for. Being confident, being self-sufficient, being inspiring, being powerful. If you are those things and a man and a leftist, then you are in an ideal position to influence the minds of these lost, weak and thus hateful young men. Because you represent a solution to their problems. You represent proof that a man can be all the things they want without being a fascist.
As I hit my thirties and really settled into some adult self-confidence I embraced this fully. 'Living well is the best revenge' has a lot of levels to it.
@@somedudeok1451 Hasan is probably right for certain types of people. My first exposure to him was his abhorrent takes on Ukraine, so he's probably not for me, but hey, if he's part of the recovery pipeline, that's good enough.
Well, if you believe that, Hassan would be a MUCH better representative for the online left than Vaush. He’s obviously lazy, fat, not very good looking imo, and doesn’t project confidence, again my opinion. Hassan is incredibly stupid, but has the qualities you said leftists should have
i was pulled to the right during gamer gate when I was about 14 and stayed there till I turned about 17. I was drawn to it purely from alt right "meme culture" Sam Hyde, Leafyishere and 4chan because of the edgyness of it. As soon as my frontal cortex developed a bit more, I realized that its not just shock value lol edgy humor but also a front for real bigotry hidden behind the sheild of """satire""". It was a gradual realization that coincided with me unpacking my internalized bigotry and resulted in me coming out as trans.
Good story. I’d love to read it in more detail. You should think about writing an autobiographical essay if you’ve got any inclination towards that sort of thing.
MANY MANY similar cases. So many trans people were repressoids and coped with their feelings by being hateful towards themselves and things that reminded them of their feelings. Chris, the transperson MrBeast hangs out with. Used to make helicopter jokes and anti trans bigotry. It's NOTORIOUS.
Just got banned from a discord server without warning because I said "leftoid" when I was joking around, this will cost me 9 more years of alt right pipeline youtube usage before I can bounce back sorry.
Come on man, the alt-right isn’t the right place to be. You can leave the pipeline like I did; out the other side when you realize that debate is dead and things don’t improve with a ballot box!
My personal dip into the right was rather shallow. The furthest i ever got was "wow sjws are kinda annoying, they should maybe chill". I remember the specific issue that shook me out of it and made me rethink what i was consuming - after chuckling with my dad about how Da Libs were angry about Doom Eternal's lib-parody holograms, I saw Shaun's video out of sheer algorithmic luck and it showed that the outrage was completely manufactured. Investigating every issue for myself has pushed me quite far to the left since.
Same and people forget there was some garbage stuff online. Like buzzfeed painting with period blood as empowerment. Looking back the leftist stuff I was laughing at was pretty much commercialism and girl bossing, which still deserves to be ridiculed but now I’m doing it the right way
The more details and information I get from trustworthy sources, the more left I also become. Which is sad because it's the bare fucking minimum when talking about ANYTHING. Else, how could you speak or have thoughts on it?
Same here. I really saw some nasty far far left people and it rubbed me the wrong way. In the end I realized I needed to get off of Instagram, where it seemed that everybody and their roommate we’re suddenly SJW‘s to the extreme
I used to be more right wing, more centrist now. 1) the right wing burned me out on outrage. It’s impossible to be that angry constantly and not have it take a toll. Commentators l followed for years are now unrecognizable in the content they produce from where they started; I know it’s because outrage gets clicks. 2) met and interacted with more people of the groups they demonized. Most people want the same basic things they just have different experiences that make them seek solutions in different ways. 3) experienced too much hypocrisy and complete lack of principles when it was inconvenient from right wing people.
congrats on leaving the right! Thats a big step in the right direction. I hope that in the future, you will no longer identify as a centrist either and will stand together with us to fight for a better world and not be complicit in the right's attempt to cause harm on humanity.
Yeah i really think just talking in a casual way with say a trans person does a lot to make people understand "im human too", and that will always move people away from the right
i really hate the whole centrism schtick. so you no longer want to genocide minorities, thats great i guess. how about not fucking over everyone and establish universal health care? nah thats a leftist position. the center is the middle ground between sense and madness, its not a great place to stand on when trying to find solid ground.
@@griffo73 its funny how just like.. talking to a trans person or making 1 singular trans friend is enough to completely dismantle years of right wing propaganda - it goes to show you how weak the arguments are. Thats one of the biggest ways people leave the right, is simply making friends with the people the right hates. Empathy triumphs over all.
Who remembers being in high school watching Ben Shabipo & Steven Crowder? Watching SJW ownage montages and thinking you're the most politically savvy person in school without knowing any actual policy or government process and just regurgitating right wing propaganda to "own the libs"? I'm so glad I got out when I did. All it took was just informing myself on government, politics and social issues instead of just listening to what my side wanted me to belive.
For me, the driving force that pulled me out of my ever-radicalizing, right-wing views was a real life experience with a hardline right-winger. My mom and I were verbally assaulted for our skin color and threatened with contacting ICE by some grandma that gave off MAGA vibes (my mom was a US citizen for over 20 years at that point, lmao). This was right around mid-2020, and I was pretty racist (mostly out of ignorance and edginess) at the time. As soon as that experience went down, I did a near 180 when it came to my political views on racism and began supporting BLM. My basic thought process was, "If this is how the people I politically identify with treat me, then I want none of it." Of course it took a few more years to educate myself on economics, other social issues, international affairs and problems with the government, but I got there, and I'm still learning a lot about politics. Unfortunately, my parents (who were also there for the incident) never caught on, and are still super right-wing. It goes to show how willing you are to learn and change when you're younger, and how stubborn and ignorant the old generations can be.
Sky your thought process is on point, Why the hell would you be a member of a group that consider you a inferior to them & use you as a token minority?
@@joseayala2940 think this story is similar to why I'm right wing. I've had some negative experiences with Minorities and I've seen the racist, dehumanizing comments that thrive on the internet. It's just too anti-white to side with that POV. I don't know how any self respecting white person could be left wing, you're essentially a pawn being used for your skin color.
I hope we get more of this content. Recently I have seen more and more alt-right and socially conservative supporting content creators blowing up (some of them I believe are actually organic and seem to not be directly founded by mainstream conservative channels). In Sweden the far-right Sweden Democrats actually won the youth elections and in Germany where I live AfD Voters infest most political comment sections (although I finally see at least a few people talking back, but the far-right seems to be well organized) and thats just a few countries.
AFD is getting significant election results, especially in younger demographics. I'm from PL and this will sound insane but far-right Polish people are happy that AFD has such a high vote percentage. At the same time they hate Germany and the EU being led mostly by Germany. Imagine the paradoxes and contradictions in this thinking - you're supporting a far-right nationalist movement in a country that you really don't like because what a far-right nationalist regime did to you in 1930s-40s. How retarded are they?
The Swedes are culturally and religuously illiterate and vaccilate between extreme accomodation or needless closed mindedness. I know this first hand as my in laws are Swedes...
Hella true, i'm from Germany as well and the AfD is truly scary to me. Given, i am an immigrant, but i've lived in Germany for longer than my birth country at this point. I've had my citizenship for years and i barely know my native language anymore, and yet i will never be seen as German by any of the alt-right AfD voters. I'm just rather worried about the future and i really hope younger individuals offset this middle-age degeneracy. How the AfD is still considered democratic and ok for parliament, i'll never understand.
@@An262. Parties like AFD are reactionary politics. Right-wing populism, we hear these voices in just about any democratic country today. In Poland this party is called Confederacy, they speak pretty much the same language as AFD. Even Finland has its far-right nationalist Finns party that holds a significant vote share, 20%. They are in a good spot because no single party is ever going to be strong enough to hold solitary government and "winning" the election does jack shit if you can't form a strong coalition with at least 2 other parties. Far-right populists are extremely unlikely to form a coalition with moderate left-wing mainstream.
9:30 This is a major problem. Autistic people are often desperate for social acceptance because we’re, you know, people. We want to be accepted somewhere but neurotypical society often shuns and alienates us. That leaves us vulnerable to the alt right, who provide both a support system for us while they weaponize our sadness and honestly resentment towards the society who threw us out like garbage and then they direct it towards the groups they want to attack. I came dangerously close to stepping over that line. I realize exactly what drives people to vote for authoritarian fascists just to see others suffer because in my darkest moments I too gave into despair and simply wished upon others the same pain and misery that my twisted mindset convinced me they had intentionally inflicted on me. Seeing others happy filled me with jealousy and anger because I wasn’t able to feel that myself. If there was an election in that brief period of personal strife, I may have cast my vote for the likes of Trump or DeSantis or the other demons on the far right. That period was thankfully short and those feelings scared me into doing serious self reflection and finally working through a lot of shit I had been placing on the back burner for years. (Turns out repressing my sexuality and ignoring severe gender dysphoria was probably responsible for sending my mental health on a one way ticket to the shadow realm) But others weren’t so lucky; they’re still locked in the grips of misery and all the facts and logic won’t help someone who’s own brain has convinced them that society itself is the enemy and should burn to the ground if it refuses to help them.
If society shuns and hates us, why should I consider it as anything else than a foe? Why should I work on something collective, if I only get mockery and ignorance back? Im not talking about individuals; I have good friends who do like me but fraternizing with society at large and working for a collective... nah, I cant.
@@menschgebliebenergossenpar9213 You aren’t wrong to have that opinion. I will say though that the anger is best directed towards fixing shit that’s wrong with society rather than attacking it. Or worse, attacking other marginalized groups who already get fucked by that same society.
@@athenaraines Yes, I agree. Attacking the people in our society who are already down and have it bad is the kind of scummy crap I have experienced. I only furiously hate the parts of this society-shitheap who berate and belittle me and basically tell me to "suck it up and get to work" so i can sacrifice myself for "a greater good" because of their idea. Their idea is that thats what a "good person" is: always selfless and throwing himself into every dirthole in which he is being directed by his/her moral leaderfigure. And of course there is capitalism too... Its just a heavy burden to bear for me; being always helpful, never complaining after being shat on for years.
When it comes to preventing people from going down the pipeline to begin with, awareness of logical fallacies and proper debate norms can actually be helpful. It’s what stopped me; they’d start something, and then commit some logical fallacy and lose me.
And this is why they've done their best to leave people stunted on historical knowledge, statistical analysis, and critical thinking skills. A LOT on the far right can't seem to parse data... like the Ivermectin 'meta-study' which looked clean until you compared its sample size to the actual sample sizes of all such studies and discovered they ignored 90% of the people, clipped them out of the picture with a little careful manipulation.
"How to escape the alt-right" 1. Touch grass 2. Read a book 3. Talk to a person 4. Engage in critical thought for at least 7 consecutive seconds Boom there ya go, mission accomplished
I followed and it worked! 1. Smoked grass. 2. Read ‘Everybody Poops.’ 3.Talked to a prison. 4. Watched a seven second Tik-Tok (which taught me how to dab). I am now not alt-right. Thanks, Korean Onama!
@@MrSam2497 That's interesting because the opposite most definitely happened to me. Going outside more rather than being terminally online helped me to understand the world as it is rather than how the mainstream media perceives it. Whereas the mainstream media presented Muslim's as rabid terrorists, reality presented them as diverse as any human being. Furthermore, the more I expanded my knowledge, the further along in my education I went, the more I was able to build on the basic principles taught to us in school. Not only did I greatly expand my reading materials, but I was able to engage in a more open discussion on various subjects. At university we were encouraged to develop our understanding beyond just the books we were reading, we were encouraged to talk to others around us in seminars, 'debate' if you will. This helped to break down the propaganda I experienced in my youth that painted human beings as having distinct traits that they can't break out of. In my hometown virtually everyone was 'white', people had a very narrow view of what someone was, they viewed the world through a right-wing Christian lens. When I moved to a city and expanded on my education I experienced a greater variety of viewpoints, different types of people from all kinds of backgrounds, and discovered that we shared a lot of commonalities. This became even more true the more I travelled the world. So in summary I would say the opposite occurred.
Good advice at 11:50 (even though it can be hard to remember to implement in practice). A lot of the people who get sucked into the alt-right pipeline will be unmoved by the usual lefty moral appeals and flat-out disgusted by maudlin appeals to empathy and compassion, but might actually lose sleep over the fear of anyone considering them lame or cringe.
I was in the alt right pipeline for many years (2016-2019). If I didn't realize my sexuality and that community's stance on them I would still be there. The process has taken a long time, but I can proudly say I'm not hateful. I wish information on it was more out there to help others.
@justsomeguy6336 @justsomeguy6336 because it addresses unnecessary and unjust power structures both in terms of state power and the power of economic ownership, thereby maximizing individual freedom, agency, and quality of life for nearly everyone (not for the 1%/corporate interests that currently run shit tho). Best part is no concentration camps needed.
Ultimately so many of us in this audience were gamergate milo logicians in like 2015 as teenagers. So while it seems like a lot of the alt right is a lost cause, clearly so many people can switch perspective in just 5 to 10 years.
One of the things I'm grateful for is how briefly I was involved with my right-wing phase. I was only really into it in the very early days like 2014-2015 as an early teenager. But seeing how triggered the right got over Ghostbusters 2016 I became more of an "enlightened" centrist you know "Both sides bad" kind of guy. But then Christchurch happened and I asked myself "Where is the violence coming from?" and of course it was the right and always had been. I've been a leftists ever since but then Kyle Rittenhouse happened and seeing how the mainstream right was glorifying a 17 year old murderer that was when I realized just how ingrained this is in most people's minds. When you get to this point helping them is nigh impossible. I'm not one of those doomers who think "wah most of America bad" like only 30% of the population votes republican but of that 30% I think almost all of them are hopeless. I still want to see the best in people but the simple fact is the window to help most of these people has closed.
That was an extremely refreshing conversation. No heated debates or insults being slung, just a couple of people having a genuine conversation about the fundamentals of the modern day political landscape and what we can do about it
It seems like a fundamental part of it is seeing women as property, so “others taking them” and members not getting to “possess” any, makes them feel like they’re being robbed. Which is all stupid.
I had a brush with the alt-right back in my college days when was sucked into the libertarian Ron Paul talking points. Thankfully I never subscribed to social conservatism and when I saw the sexist beginnings of what would one day become the Incel community in those spaces, I stopped interacting with them and eventually left entirely.
Closest I ever got to Alt-right was a Right-Wing "Libertarian" who unironically thought Ben Shapiro was intelligent and occasionally watched Paul Joseph Watson. I was actually an Actual Justice Warrior fan, until i saw the debate with Vaush. Then I got into Kyle Kulinski and Hbomb from there. Now im definitely more Left-Wing.
I just refer to that whole era as my chud era because I was still like economically left wing I just suppressed me being enby for so many years and just saw a bunch of terrible alt right shit on my feed but I didn't actually believe any of it I just felt so suppressed from myself and from my gender identity
like it didn't help matters that in 2018 I was having a mental breakdown which if you're gonna be far right is pure cognitive dissonance I fr just told myself mental health and shit didn't matter
I wasn't a particularly alt-right person in my middle school days. In fact, I personally identified as a leftie. But I was quite anti-feminist (ironically enough, thanks to Sh0e, who Vaush brought over long after I had discovered her). Then, I discovered r/TheRightCantMeme and people like Nicholas Black, and I became... well, not quite a wokescold, but I was definitely an idpol leftie who wasn't particularly politically literate. I didn't even know "wokescold" was a leftie term until I started watching Xanderhal. I mainly got into the debate bro sphere through Keffals, then I discovered folks like Vaush and Xan (well, not "discovered," but I became less "BAD FAITH TRANSPHOBE LIBERAL VOOSH" about it), and now, I'd say I have a firmer grip on my political leanings. Sorry if my story isn't particularly interesting, but I figured I'd contribute something.
It's ok, mine aren't bombastic either. I aways leaned left despite being in the anti-woke internet crowd for a while, which gave me bad vibes, and bullied me later, but never figured it was the right wing. Never learned the left nor right existed until college - aside from thinking they were 'history' from books at school. Then found the newly formed "breadtube" after college, which felt like haven compared to the internet of the 2010s. Then all hell broke loose on my country and the USA because Conservatives got elected as presidents and protestants/catholics got way too much wings, wanted to know what the hell is going on, then started researching politics and religion with more discipline ever since. But anyways, every story is interesting to give contrast to others, let everyone know the diversity of experiences, even between people that never truly had to consciously enter the left (It's also good for learning the collective complete lack of knowledge about what is trully going on in the world that everyone, even politicians, seems to have, all over the world. We are all just winging it)
This is an awesome convo and chalk full of good advice for those of us who want to help deradicalize others. It's a lot like trying to shake someone's evangelical brainwashing: you have to stay chill, be kind, seem open to their ideas, and ask questions that might put a bug in their ear to question the church moreso on their own. The same goes for general conservatism. I've been trying to do so with my dad for years by calmly pointing out when a complaint he has is exacerbated greatly by gop policies - as well as pointing out explicate lies they tell on the campaign trail. It's not easy, but it's worth it for the little ideological victories. And more broadly, those little wins can snowball into more progressive votes.
As an autistic, terminally online, gamer I'm so glad I wasn't born 5 years later. By that point a lot of the people who ended up on the IDW or atheist areas online had lost their shine as I'd gotten old enough to critique them better. Ironically it was often lessons I got from them that made me realise they were full of it. Like Dawkins talking about how scientists follow the new evidence then refusing to follow the evidence about trans people.
Vaush outlining that alt right misery lead to their conversion, that many are lonely or neuro atypical 😍 understanding the enemy is so sexy 🌈🏳️🌈VAUSH MARRY ME YOU MOUNTAIN OF A MAN YOU! 🏳️🌈🌈
My story was actually a bit different… I was getting very into the whole Shapiro et al crew. I was really idolising Jordan Peterson and his talks basically pushed me to get back into education and figure out what I wanted to do with my life. I decided I wanted to dedicate my life to helping people so started a degree in Psychology, whilst working in care. Starting that degree honestly gave me the tools to understand the fallacious reasoning used by these guys. Helping people in the care sector made me realise how destructive the whole “libertarian” bullshit actually is. What I’m trying to convey is that, in a weird way, the person that talked me out of the alt-right nonsense was Jordan Peterson - despite him absolutely being part of it.
They are/can be. They just won’t be treated by western European whites as white. Or at least not in their ideal world. For radical protest- sure they can be white. (; Now stand in the frontlines says the white white supremacist.
@@summerlovinxxWhat he means is that they can side with the Nazi's today and be embraced, but as the 'bigger' enemies are eliminated, they would start to enter the Nazi radar for removal and oppression etc. Nazi's are a bit like wokescolds in one way, they both emphasise purity and end up in 'purity spirals' where the deeper you go, the more absurdly they demand their idea of perfection. The difference is for the lefty wokescolds, its ideological purity but the right it's 'racial purity' as well as ideological. The 'noose' mentioned is suggesting they'll lynch him. The far right has this concept called 'day of the rope' where they are let loose and purge all their perceived enemies. Really friendly stuff like that.
Jesus christ guys white is a made up concept. There is white skin. Which alot of arabs have which alot of Hispanic people which well mostly Asian people. So yeah. There is Caucasian people. But not all Caucasian people have white skin colour. That's it.
@@summerlovinxx I believe he's referring to the "day of the rope" and applying the "Ernst Röhm award for participation" (since Ernst Röhm, a gay man and leader of the SA was executed under the "Knight of the Long Knives"). There are Hispanic nazis or other right-wing extremists that believe they are the good ones. But at the end of the day if you follow that pipeline which advocates for racist pseudoscience and ethnostates, they will also become victims of the hateful ideology they helped spread.
I really want to send a vaush video to my younger brother whos been falling down the alt-right pipeline. But im not sure wich one. I concidered this one but im not sure.
The biggest thing when it comes to communication with friends/family members that are on the far-Right is understanding that they REALLY believe in the things that they spout off. They believe their sources (be it Newsmax/OAN, podcasts, etc.), and they believe in their political (and oftentimes religious) leaders. However - and this is difficult for some to wrap their minds around - they are still people. People with bad opinions, yes, but still people. Unless a debate is scheduled and regulated in advance, a debate isn't a healthy way to communicate conflicting ideas with your close social circle. Listen to each other; confirm that you understand each other; be willing to examine sources and come back to topics in the future; and most of all, keep the relationship as a priority, but draw healthy boundaries with your friend/family member in question. If they are getting carried away and starting to yell or interrupt consistently, remind them that a conversation goes both ways and you will only continue if they bring things down a notch. Remember, these people have been brainwashed by propaganda and bad ideas - just like anyone in a cult, you have to have some grace. Don't allow them to walk all over you, and you don't have to agree with them, but come from a place of empathy and understanding. It goes a long way in maybe not fully changing their minds, but at least opening them up to the idea that people that disagree with them aren't the "other" or "evil," which helps them develop an empathy they may not currently have. That empathy is the first step to liberal thought, and that's a huge first step.
Great advice. If you are getting advices back, I'd let you know I bet you do not understand what "liberal thought" actually is. Matter of fact I don't think you understand what really as a "liberal" either. If you leave that term out, your comment will be a perfect vector for teaching sympathy to people dealing with people in cults, and getting them out of there
@@ViniSocramSaintI mean, libs are empathetic and have principles. If you get a reactionary family member to respect marginalized groups and support welfare and stuff like that, I say mission accomplished. It's okay if they still believe in capitalism. There's only so much you can do. Some people will be more moved over by the radical nature of leftism, and some people will just become milktoast libs
@@inafridge8573 "Liberals" are not "a step closer to the left", they are a brand of right wingers that don't believe in certain, very few, "dogmas" the rest do, but keep many, even the most hateful and religious dogmas. They are "liberated" from some beliefs, meaning they are not "pure" or even "true righties", according to "OG righties". And sometimes there isn't even a difference. What we colloquialy call "liberals" are the true leftists, but they are not liberals. Examples of "OG liberals" are the heads of the propaganda machine called Fox News, the grifter Jordan Peterson and people into the Men's Rights Movement. Then there are the "economical liberals" that believe the government losing all it's power or there having 0 regulations in anything capitalizable is freedom, on top of bosses being able to do LITERALLY ANYTHING in the name of "liberty" and ANYTHING BEING CAPITALIZABLE, not mattering how cruel denying it to everyone would be. Literal anarchy in favor of the elite. Example: D. Tr*mp. Liberals are basically right wingers, but more loyal (blindly and religiously) to Liberty (the right wing concept, not actual liberty), but they like the flare of having a different tittle, probably to pretend to be more righteous and pretend their belief in the Gov and any bureaucracy being evil is not antisemitic, religious BS (New World Ord*r) or literal propaganda, to appeal to newer generations "that were indoctrinated in the belief that fascism and profit by any means are bad, by the divisive, opressive Left". That is what I mean when I say Cowboy up there and you, Fridge, do not understand what is a liberal, and so, should hold on using the term for a tad longer while you both learn, so to not teach the wrong thing, even if well meaning.
I really love your presentation and ideas and the ability to get them across, but could you please wear something with sleeves? Just putting that out there.
Underrated. Taking philosophy and ethics classes in college really helped refine my thought processes. And funny enough it also made me further left because during ethics class a woman got hysterically angry during the abortion discussions in ethics class - and it wasnt a lefty, it was a conservative woman screeching about baby murder. Yeah, she got kicked out of the class... Its funny how the right wants us to think that all karens are liberals and alot of snowflake outrage is caused by leftists when the reality is the only time ive ever seen that kind of behaviour in real life is from conservatives.
Oh youre so much educated now, how good for you! Now you can look down on the rest of us who are f*ed and laugh at us, feeling much better about urself.
i had sussy wussy political views from 2015 to 2018 when my tankie views ''evolved'' into alt-right views and it's the cringiest period of my life doesn't help that i grew up pretty alienated and continued to be alienated through most of my adolescent years and this was during the height of the nationalist wave of the mid 2010s
The issue is that people in the left lane don't like letting people in. They do that annoying thing where the won't let you in, but they also won't just pass you.
I was always left but I could’ve fallen down a deep right rabbit hole. I saw Tim Pool and thought he had good point but something felt off, he said he was a centrist but his title and words were always so fear mongering. Till I saw the Tim pool cause debate and i was like yep vaush is god. Been here Ever since. Unfortunately because of my leftist views I’ve grown but seen others I looked up to grown into hateful or Atleast fall down the far right pipe line, Sargon, the quartering and shit even fucking jobtron. Like I’ve used to think joe rogan was a crazy far right dude. Turns out no he’s kinda all over the place, but is definitely insane
Likely not because you have to consider that they don't value kindness or logic, they value "strength". For an alt righter, what crowder did wasn't a pathetic manchild throwing a hissy fit at his wife. To them it was "a strong man putting an uppity woman in her place". Cause she was the one that got emotional, that was visibly hurt. She showed "weakness" therefor she "lost".
I believe so. I don't have the numbers or stats. People who kinda listen to him now know he is a red flag, they are less likely to listen to him and become even more alt right. People who don't listen to him now know he is a red flag. 'Hey this guy I am dating is listening to him. I should dump him'. Preventing her from being more conservative. He may change his ways to get laid again. Or, 'Oh, hey. My son listens to this creep, I should ground him.' Many conservatives like to do plausible deniability and muddy the waters. This has been clear that he is terrible. Many moderates don't want to be labeled/associated with conservative. Also, this will probably prevent him from being a host on Fox news ans having an even larger audience, like many conservatives who had small radio shows get larger and then host Fox News like Glenn Beck did, until he got booted.
@@summerlovinxx The thing is if they are not yet they will be, The mainline GOPs talking points, are all nazi stuff, so if you truely belive those things, chances are your belifes are either nazi, or close enough the diffrence doesent matter
There's no Alt-Left in the same sense as there is an Alt Right. All the left-wing terms you might use from Social Democrat to Communist are kind of shat on or lumped under Liberal, meanwhile there is a distinct "Good", accepted main stream Right (Conservative and Libertarian) and "Bad" Right (Fascists and Reactionaries), and the Alt-Right comes about as the "Bad" Right trying to brand themselves as the "Good" Right. I guess Alt-left would be "non-electoral left wing". People who join revolutionary socialist organizations as opposed to political parties like the Democratic Socialists of America or Communist Party of the United States.
@@tomgu2285If we lived in a Society with Right wing social acceptance you wouldn't feel guilty at all. The reason you feel that way because our society penalizes those ideas.
White is the majority in America and Europe. But, it is a minority compared to the rest of the world. So, it actually makes sense for those who are part of the Alt Right to be concerned. All it would take is China or India women to breed out the white within 2 generations and one year to undo the culture of American and European whiteness. With the African gen it will take one generation to undo both. So, of I were a white man or woman with limited world views I would be extremely bothered. But, if you really want to hurt the far right simply send attractive and educated women who are none white and of non white beliefs to break them from within.
@@IAMSONICTH3H3DG3H0G I didn't talk about vaush but rather anti-feminist "leftists" like you who claim you escaped the alt right pipeline yet think hatred towards cishet white men is a bad thing when it's not
I find myself becoming more and more anti woke, (or whatever this shit is) as I grow up. This dude definitely sounded really agreeable when I was like 16 17 but definitely a lot less now.
It’s very easy to become more conservative as you get older (assuming this is what you mean by antiwoke) due to the mind of a young person often seeing a lot more wrong with the world than someone older, because they’re growing up and seeing the world for the first time which fundamentally changes your perspective. This means in order to hold leftest views you have to actively try harder to see issues in the world that may have become more like mundane realities to you. I think is easiest to relate to the overuse of cars in america, I’m more more passionate about this than my father for example, because I notice that walking from place to place in my town with four lane roads and no side walks is awful, while he doesn’t notice these things because he’s driven for decades of his life. Just because what Vaush says here seems more unagreeable than it used to, it doesn’t mean he’s necessarily that - as most often misconstrue it as - you’re maturing out of leftism. It’s really just a natural consequence of aging and shifting prospective like I mentioned. So keep thinking critically about the world around you, and understand your gut reaction may not be as synonymous with good ideas as it used to be.
wasn’t necessarily alt right, but def was right leaning back during the first gamergate (2014-15) it’s crazy how it was all just internalized self hatred edit: from my personal experience, try replacing the problematic creators with nonproblematic or less problematic creators who make similar content. that really helped me branch away from the right and helped me open my eyes to other viewpoints and actually learn some stuff, not only about the world, but about myself as well. from there, keep branching out, and keep learning.
@@RyolithRandil I almost hate how it seems more helpful to, instead of being resentful and disappointed with one group instead of another, to just be disappointed with everyone. To the extent I used to be a part of a team, it was “this one good, this one bad.” Now everyone is just shit to me. Some are just worse than others. Though I’ll admit, in aggregate it feels better to live this way.
@@RyolithRandil yup, you are definitely one. The libertarian position is that war is bad and don't stick your nose it where it doesn't belong. After the soviet dissolved, the west had decades to reset relations with Russia so there wouldn't be another cold war. Two decades later we have another cold war. This time it is with Russia and China. Sure, get mad at the libertarians for not wanting conflict and just want countries to trade and get rich together peacefully.
The most common horse gaits (i.e. movements), in order of slowest to fastest, are walk, trot, canter, and gallop. Some horses are called “gaited” because they have additional gaits. Icelandic Horses are one example of a gaited horse.🐎
I think the biggest reason for the rise of the Alt Right is we have too many men that are not meaningfully employed and many are not in any meaningful relationship...at the same time you have Billionaires willing to fund alt right individuals in the hope of grooming the next generation of political leaders to help maintain a Kleptocracy...
@@jermu-p5e no I'm not about forcing women back to the kitchen or blaming the feminist movement I find it hard to believe that women are taking all the jobs away from men and that this is why we have so many layabout men...I think it's more to do with we have so many unsatisfying low pay jobs no one wants to bother doing and many would rather live off a parents or girlfriends salary or retirement income...We have to find a societal solution that keeps men occupied with something productive or fulfilling even if they are not employed...Kind of like Japan had going with the Samurai during the Peace Times they were occupied with Arts whether painting or Judo...idle unhappy men are a ticking time bomb they are easily led towards violence especially by manipulative power hungry ambitious individuals who can put them to use to attain political power...
Totally unrelated to the conversation but this guy sounds really simular to a guy I used to play dnd with, simular mannerisms too. He was always a blast to play with. Definately not the same guy cos they have different names, but made me feel reminiscent
When it comes to moving people over, my mum always said "They don't give a fuck about your facts if you don't give a fuck about their feelings."
Truths !
Is your mom Zoe Bee?
@@raz802 idk who that is I know it's not her saying tho definitely heard it other places
Damn I’d hate to have Ben Shapiro as my mom. Sorry bro.
Feels over facts in the fact free zone
If someone feels uneasy with what they’re getting into on the right, always support them. Don’t make excuses for them, don’t judge them for it, and don’t rush the process. Just help them ease out of the brain rot. It took me a couple years to go from leaving the alt right to listening to lefty streamers like Vaush.
I had someone listen to me when I tried backtracking on things I said, and it forced me to rethink my stances. It was hard, but I found my way out of it, and I owe part of it to them.
@@BruceOMalley
I had a crush on her and didn’t want to ruin my chances. She would’ve voted blue in 2020, had we been 18. I was still critical of trump, so I don’t know who I would’ve chosen.
In the weeks leading up to Biden’s victory, I asked her why she didn’t burn the bridge when I tried explaining myself. “I just wanted to hear both sides of the issue.” It’s still beyond me why she did, but I’m grateful nonetheless.
@@psychosalad6653 she sounds like a great person
@@V555Vendetta She was, but regretfully the bridge has been burned, and some of it was on me. Writing this comment did hurt a little, but it doesn’t change what she did for me.
I was a gamergater, i started having my stuff get undone when i noticed the violence of Charlottesville, but then i encountered destiny and contrapoints and breadtube
@@psychosalad6653 you guys are still very young, I might not be much older but people that started hating you in highschool might end up being your friend in your 20s it’s happened to me a lot recently, I’m 23 now and guys that hated me in high school are now tryna hang out and smoke weed sometimes
I was an alt-righter for 5 years... then I turned 6.
True and based. To be on the right is natural and normal. It takes institutional indoctrination to change this. You are just genetically smoothbrained so it was very early for you
Had a very similar situation. I was a leftist for 6 years.
Then, right before me first day of grade school, my mother told me that a "leftist" and a "left-handed person," were different things.
@@mickeyrube6623 Bro, your last name is literally rube. Are you trying to live up to the definition?
@@mickeyrube6623 dude you will never beat someone at the joke they already made unless you are on an alt right channel please for your sake just don't bother next time
@@thespelsheepington6664 and yours is sheepington
In my experience, it comes when you can no longer make excuses for them going against something you support. For me, it was vaccination, but around 2015-2016. I left a fascist outfit I was in then, floated around right-libertarian spaces for a while, and I've been slowly moving left over the last year, year-and-a-half.
I feel terrible about it, but I try to be better every day.
Forgive yourself and do a good thing for someone else at least once a day. We can't change the mistakes we've made, can only make up for it.
for me it was hunter avalone's trans video back in the day, it was so aggressive and cruel I couldn't stand behind it anymore
I get that. Reading and listening to trans people this last year got me further away as well. That and NFTs in tabletop games, which disabused me of the notion of the free market.
@@HoriaMarchean it still took me a while before I moved away from your rose of dawns but I think it was contra vaush and xan that pulled me over, I still sorta identified as a centrist but the more the right speaks the less I feel like they are worth hearing out, I kinda miss nfts because they were so fun to clown on
@@pandabanaan9208 I hated NFTs. Profoundly. Leaning more libertarian, the notion that the free market would liberate people and insure the best distribution of resources was fundamental. And then, to see people create scarcity where there is none enraged me to my very core. The very notion: we had the internet, which was unlimited in its power to carry information, and some bastards wanted to create scarcity there.
So, that pushed me to the left (whereas previous disagreements pushed me from Romanian Legionary - I'm Romanian - to ancap).
I think one of the very best methods to drag people away from the alt right is to you yourself being a figure with characteristics that they ultimately yearn for. Being confident, being self-sufficient, being inspiring, being powerful. If you are those things and a man and a leftist, then you are in an ideal position to influence the minds of these lost, weak and thus hateful young men. Because you represent a solution to their problems. You represent proof that a man can be all the things they want without being a fascist.
As I hit my thirties and really settled into some adult self-confidence I embraced this fully. 'Living well is the best revenge' has a lot of levels to it.
@@baconsoup8346 Beau is a great example, yes. Hasan or Vaush are also good examples to some extent.
@@somedudeok1451 Hasan is probably right for certain types of people. My first exposure to him was his abhorrent takes on Ukraine, so he's probably not for me, but hey, if he's part of the recovery pipeline, that's good enough.
Well, if you believe that, Hassan would be a MUCH better representative for the online left than Vaush. He’s obviously lazy, fat, not very good looking imo, and doesn’t project confidence, again my opinion. Hassan is incredibly stupid, but has the qualities you said leftists should have
@@DamienPalmer it’s just another pipeline, equally as bad imo
i was pulled to the right during gamer gate when I was about 14 and stayed there till I turned about 17. I was drawn to it purely from alt right "meme culture" Sam Hyde, Leafyishere and 4chan because of the edgyness of it. As soon as my frontal cortex developed a bit more, I realized that its not just shock value lol edgy humor but also a front for real bigotry hidden behind the sheild of """satire""". It was a gradual realization that coincided with me unpacking my internalized bigotry and resulted in me coming out as trans.
Bruh
Good story. I’d love to read it in more detail. You should think about writing an autobiographical essay if you’ve got any inclination towards that sort of thing.
Alright, be honest. What are some of the most bigoted things you said about groups of people?
the neonazi to trans pipeline is real...
MANY MANY similar cases. So many trans people were repressoids and coped with their feelings by being hateful towards themselves and things that reminded them of their feelings.
Chris, the transperson MrBeast hangs out with. Used to make helicopter jokes and anti trans bigotry. It's NOTORIOUS.
Just got banned from a discord server without warning because I said "leftoid" when I was joking around, this will cost me 9 more years of alt right pipeline youtube usage before I can bounce back sorry.
Lol
Come on man, the alt-right isn’t the right place to be. You can leave the pipeline like I did; out the other side when you realize that debate is dead and things don’t improve with a ballot box!
@@thesteellegionnaire4570 So true.
Ron (Rizzless) DeSantis
Guantanamo Ron
Ron DeFascist
Ron DeSanpiss
Ron DeRizzless
My personal dip into the right was rather shallow. The furthest i ever got was "wow sjws are kinda annoying, they should maybe chill". I remember the specific issue that shook me out of it and made me rethink what i was consuming - after chuckling with my dad about how Da Libs were angry about Doom Eternal's lib-parody holograms, I saw Shaun's video out of sheer algorithmic luck and it showed that the outrage was completely manufactured.
Investigating every issue for myself has pushed me quite far to the left since.
Same and people forget there was some garbage stuff online. Like buzzfeed painting with period blood as empowerment.
Looking back the leftist stuff I was laughing at was pretty much commercialism and girl bossing, which still deserves to be ridiculed but now I’m doing it the right way
The more details and information I get from trustworthy sources, the more left I also become. Which is sad because it's the bare fucking minimum when talking about ANYTHING. Else, how could you speak or have thoughts on it?
Same here. I really saw some nasty far far left people and it rubbed me the wrong way. In the end I realized I needed to get off of Instagram, where it seemed that everybody and their roommate we’re suddenly SJW‘s to the extreme
Vaush is so likable. Seems like a super good dude
@@summerlovinxx Vaush hates women, calls people slurs and has cringe jokes a lot of times
@@jermu-p5e You're not getting anywhere with your hyperbolic and reductive takes.
@@jermu-p5e Vaush loves women, calls people slurs he can reclaim and admits he can be cringy
I overall think he is a good person. Yeah. I think I can hang out with him.
sometimes I just wanna cuddle the teddy bear
I used to be more right wing, more centrist now.
1) the right wing burned me out on outrage. It’s impossible to be that angry constantly and not have it take a toll. Commentators l followed for years are now unrecognizable in the content they produce from where they started; I know it’s because outrage gets clicks.
2) met and interacted with more people of the groups they demonized. Most people want the same basic things they just have different experiences that make them seek solutions in different ways.
3) experienced too much hypocrisy and complete lack of principles when it was inconvenient from right wing people.
congrats on leaving the right! Thats a big step in the right direction. I hope that in the future, you will no longer identify as a centrist either and will stand together with us to fight for a better world and not be complicit in the right's attempt to cause harm on humanity.
Yeah i really think just talking in a casual way with say a trans person does a lot to make people understand "im human too", and that will always move people away from the right
Being centrist is just as stupid in this age. It’s politically illiterate
i really hate the whole centrism schtick.
so you no longer want to genocide minorities, thats great i guess.
how about not fucking over everyone and establish universal health care? nah thats a leftist position.
the center is the middle ground between sense and madness, its not a great place to stand on when trying to find solid ground.
@@griffo73 its funny how just like.. talking to a trans person or making 1 singular trans friend is enough to completely dismantle years of right wing propaganda - it goes to show you how weak the arguments are. Thats one of the biggest ways people leave the right, is simply making friends with the people the right hates. Empathy triumphs over all.
Who remembers being in high school watching Ben Shabipo & Steven Crowder? Watching SJW ownage montages and thinking you're the most politically savvy person in school without knowing any actual policy or government process and just regurgitating right wing propaganda to "own the libs"? I'm so glad I got out when I did. All it took was just informing myself on government, politics and social issues instead of just listening to what my side wanted me to belive.
the ''SJW owning'' vids yeah, propaganda disguised as memes
Yeah, I was headed down both that rabbit hole, as well as MRA-ism.
So glad I've gotten out of it of my own accord😤
"SJW owned" compilations are peak right-wing literature, lmao.
Never entered any real pipeline but I admire people who can drag themselves out of them.
You're in the vaush pipeline, amigo. It's the quickest way to get to based
@@Ragnaraq1 based in anything but geopolitics and history.
Economically and socially Vaush is good.
Vaush has no concept of power analysis.
For me, the driving force that pulled me out of my ever-radicalizing, right-wing views was a real life experience with a hardline right-winger. My mom and I were verbally assaulted for our skin color and threatened with contacting ICE by some grandma that gave off MAGA vibes (my mom was a US citizen for over 20 years at that point, lmao). This was right around mid-2020, and I was pretty racist (mostly out of ignorance and edginess) at the time. As soon as that experience went down, I did a near 180 when it came to my political views on racism and began supporting BLM. My basic thought process was, "If this is how the people I politically identify with treat me, then I want none of it."
Of course it took a few more years to educate myself on economics, other social issues, international affairs and problems with the government, but I got there, and I'm still learning a lot about politics. Unfortunately, my parents (who were also there for the incident) never caught on, and are still super right-wing. It goes to show how willing you are to learn and change when you're younger, and how stubborn and ignorant the old generations can be.
Sky your thought process is on point, Why the hell would you be a member of a group that consider you a inferior to them & use you as a token minority?
@@joseayala2940 think this story is similar to why I'm right wing. I've had some negative experiences with Minorities and I've seen the racist, dehumanizing comments that thrive on the internet. It's just too anti-white to side with that POV. I don't know how any self respecting white person could be left wing, you're essentially a pawn being used for your skin color.
I hope we get more of this content. Recently I have seen more and more alt-right and socially conservative supporting content creators blowing up (some of them I believe are actually organic and seem to not be directly founded by mainstream conservative channels).
In Sweden the far-right Sweden Democrats actually won the youth elections and in Germany where I live AfD Voters infest most political comment sections (although I finally see at least a few people talking back, but the far-right seems to be well organized) and thats just a few countries.
AFD is getting significant election results, especially in younger demographics. I'm from PL and this will sound insane but far-right Polish people are happy that AFD has such a high vote percentage. At the same time they hate Germany and the EU being led mostly by Germany. Imagine the paradoxes and contradictions in this thinking - you're supporting a far-right nationalist movement in a country that you really don't like because what a far-right nationalist regime did to you in 1930s-40s. How retarded are they?
BASED the youth is awakening
The Swedes are culturally and religuously illiterate and vaccilate between extreme accomodation or needless closed mindedness.
I know this first hand as my in laws are Swedes...
Hella true, i'm from Germany as well and the AfD is truly scary to me.
Given, i am an immigrant, but i've lived in Germany for longer than my birth country at this point. I've had my citizenship for years and i barely know my native language anymore, and yet i will never be seen as German by any of the alt-right AfD voters. I'm just rather worried about the future and i really hope younger individuals offset this middle-age degeneracy. How the AfD is still considered democratic and ok for parliament, i'll never understand.
@@An262. Parties like AFD are reactionary politics. Right-wing populism, we hear these voices in just about any democratic country today. In Poland this party is called Confederacy, they speak pretty much the same language as AFD.
Even Finland has its far-right nationalist Finns party that holds a significant vote share, 20%. They are in a good spot because no single party is ever going to be strong enough to hold solitary government and "winning" the election does jack shit if you can't form a strong coalition with at least 2 other parties. Far-right populists are extremely unlikely to form a coalition with moderate left-wing mainstream.
9:30
This is a major problem. Autistic people are often desperate for social acceptance because we’re, you know, people. We want to be accepted somewhere but neurotypical society often shuns and alienates us. That leaves us vulnerable to the alt right, who provide both a support system for us while they weaponize our sadness and honestly resentment towards the society who threw us out like garbage and then they direct it towards the groups they want to attack.
I came dangerously close to stepping over that line. I realize exactly what drives people to vote for authoritarian fascists just to see others suffer because in my darkest moments I too gave into despair and simply wished upon others the same pain and misery that my twisted mindset convinced me they had intentionally inflicted on me. Seeing others happy filled me with jealousy and anger because I wasn’t able to feel that myself. If there was an election in that brief period of personal strife, I may have cast my vote for the likes of Trump or DeSantis or the other demons on the far right.
That period was thankfully short and those feelings scared me into doing serious self reflection and finally working through a lot of shit I had been placing on the back burner for years. (Turns out repressing my sexuality and ignoring severe gender dysphoria was probably responsible for sending my mental health on a one way ticket to the shadow realm) But others weren’t so lucky; they’re still locked in the grips of misery and all the facts and logic won’t help someone who’s own brain has convinced them that society itself is the enemy and should burn to the ground if it refuses to help them.
@@RyolithRandil We get it. You’re in your centrist arc. We’ll still have you so long as you’re not a dick.
If society shuns and hates us, why should I consider it as anything else than a foe? Why should I work on something collective, if I only get mockery and ignorance back? Im not talking about individuals; I have good friends who do like me but fraternizing with society at large and working for a collective... nah, I cant.
@@menschgebliebenergossenpar9213 You aren’t wrong to have that opinion. I will say though that the anger is best directed towards fixing shit that’s wrong with society rather than attacking it. Or worse, attacking other marginalized groups who already get fucked by that same society.
@@athenaraines Yes, I agree. Attacking the people in our society who are already down and have it bad is the kind of scummy crap I have experienced. I only furiously hate the parts of this society-shitheap who berate and belittle me and basically tell me to "suck it up and get to work" so i can sacrifice myself for "a greater good" because of their idea. Their idea is that thats what a "good person" is: always selfless and throwing himself into every dirthole in which he is being directed by his/her moral leaderfigure. And of course there is capitalism too... Its just a heavy burden to bear for me; being always helpful, never complaining after being shat on for years.
When it comes to preventing people from going down the pipeline to begin with, awareness of logical fallacies and proper debate norms can actually be helpful. It’s what stopped me; they’d start something, and then commit some logical fallacy and lose me.
-Use logic
-Be on the Left
Pick one.
And this is why they've done their best to leave people stunted on historical knowledge, statistical analysis, and critical thinking skills. A LOT on the far right can't seem to parse data... like the Ivermectin 'meta-study' which looked clean until you compared its sample size to the actual sample sizes of all such studies and discovered they ignored 90% of the people, clipped them out of the picture with a little careful manipulation.
-be on the right
-somehow convince yourself that you're sane and not retarded
pick a side
"How to escape the alt-right"
1. Touch grass
2. Read a book
3. Talk to a person
4. Engage in critical thought for at least 7 consecutive seconds
Boom there ya go, mission accomplished
I followed and it worked!
1. Smoked grass.
2. Read ‘Everybody Poops.’
3.Talked to a prison.
4. Watched a seven second Tik-Tok (which taught me how to dab).
I am now not alt-right. Thanks, Korean Onama!
7? That's expecting a bit much
Followed, only went further to right
Its way easier
Step 1: Grow up
@@MrSam2497 That's interesting because the opposite most definitely happened to me. Going outside more rather than being terminally online helped me to understand the world as it is rather than how the mainstream media perceives it. Whereas the mainstream media presented Muslim's as rabid terrorists, reality presented them as diverse as any human being. Furthermore, the more I expanded my knowledge, the further along in my education I went, the more I was able to build on the basic principles taught to us in school. Not only did I greatly expand my reading materials, but I was able to engage in a more open discussion on various subjects. At university we were encouraged to develop our understanding beyond just the books we were reading, we were encouraged to talk to others around us in seminars, 'debate' if you will. This helped to break down the propaganda I experienced in my youth that painted human beings as having distinct traits that they can't break out of. In my hometown virtually everyone was 'white', people had a very narrow view of what someone was, they viewed the world through a right-wing Christian lens. When I moved to a city and expanded on my education I experienced a greater variety of viewpoints, different types of people from all kinds of backgrounds, and discovered that we shared a lot of commonalities. This became even more true the more I travelled the world. So in summary I would say the opposite occurred.
Good advice at 11:50 (even though it can be hard to remember to implement in practice). A lot of the people who get sucked into the alt-right pipeline will be unmoved by the usual lefty moral appeals and flat-out disgusted by maudlin appeals to empathy and compassion, but might actually lose sleep over the fear of anyone considering them lame or cringe.
Good point. They are the real snowflakes tbh
I did not think that "Weird" would be the campaign motto of the year, it's surprising you predicted it a year before.
I was in the alt right pipeline for many years (2016-2019). If I didn't realize my sexuality and that community's stance on them I would still be there. The process has taken a long time, but I can proudly say I'm not hateful. I wish information on it was more out there to help others.
If you want to save a rightoid simply remind them that left is best.
left is best!
@@dangerousd1312 Jamie and I *may* have a disagreement.
Why is left best?
@justsomeguy6336 @justsomeguy6336 because it addresses unnecessary and unjust power structures both in terms of state power and the power of economic ownership, thereby maximizing individual freedom, agency, and quality of life for nearly everyone (not for the 1%/corporate interests that currently run shit tho).
Best part is no concentration camps needed.
Left is beft.
Ultimately so many of us in this audience were gamergate milo logicians in like 2015 as teenagers. So while it seems like a lot of the alt right is a lost cause, clearly so many people can switch perspective in just 5 to 10 years.
The last line before the ending card was pretty true and funny asl. “I feel you envy my ability to talk so well…”
One of the things I'm grateful for is how briefly I was involved with my right-wing phase. I was only really into it in the very early days like 2014-2015 as an early teenager. But seeing how triggered the right got over Ghostbusters 2016 I became more of an "enlightened" centrist you know "Both sides bad" kind of guy. But then Christchurch happened and I asked myself "Where is the violence coming from?" and of course it was the right and always had been. I've been a leftists ever since but then Kyle Rittenhouse happened and seeing how the mainstream right was glorifying a 17 year old murderer that was when I realized just how ingrained this is in most people's minds. When you get to this point helping them is nigh impossible.
I'm not one of those doomers who think "wah most of America bad" like only 30% of the population votes republican but of that 30% I think almost all of them are hopeless. I still want to see the best in people but the simple fact is the window to help most of these people has closed.
That was an extremely refreshing conversation. No heated debates or insults being slung, just a couple of people having a genuine conversation about the fundamentals of the modern day political landscape and what we can do about it
It seems like a fundamental part of it is seeing women as property, so “others taking them” and members not getting to “possess” any, makes them feel like they’re being robbed.
Which is all stupid.
Step 1: Do not assume your immediate gut reaction is the 100% correct option
Why would your gut reaction be Alt Right.
I had a brush with the alt-right back in my college days when was sucked into the libertarian Ron Paul talking points.
Thankfully I never subscribed to social conservatism and when I saw the sexist beginnings of what would one day become the Incel community in those spaces, I stopped interacting with them and eventually left entirely.
Damn, feels weird seeing vaush talking to someone on stream and there being no hostility lol
Closest I ever got to Alt-right was a Right-Wing "Libertarian" who unironically thought Ben Shapiro was intelligent and occasionally watched Paul Joseph Watson. I was actually an Actual Justice Warrior fan, until i saw the debate with Vaush. Then I got into Kyle Kulinski and Hbomb from there. Now im definitely more Left-Wing.
I just refer to that whole era as my chud era because I was still like economically left wing I just suppressed me being enby for so many years and just saw a bunch of terrible alt right shit on my feed but I didn't actually believe any of it I just felt so suppressed from myself and from my gender identity
like it didn't help matters that in 2018 I was having a mental breakdown which if you're gonna be far right is pure cognitive dissonance I fr just told myself mental health and shit didn't matter
I wasn't a particularly alt-right person in my middle school days. In fact, I personally identified as a leftie. But I was quite anti-feminist (ironically enough, thanks to Sh0e, who Vaush brought over long after I had discovered her).
Then, I discovered r/TheRightCantMeme and people like Nicholas Black, and I became... well, not quite a wokescold, but I was definitely an idpol leftie who wasn't particularly politically literate. I didn't even know "wokescold" was a leftie term until I started watching Xanderhal.
I mainly got into the debate bro sphere through Keffals, then I discovered folks like Vaush and Xan (well, not "discovered," but I became less "BAD FAITH TRANSPHOBE LIBERAL VOOSH" about it), and now, I'd say I have a firmer grip on my political leanings.
Sorry if my story isn't particularly interesting, but I figured I'd contribute something.
It's ok, mine aren't bombastic either. I aways leaned left despite being in the anti-woke internet crowd for a while, which gave me bad vibes, and bullied me later, but never figured it was the right wing. Never learned the left nor right existed until college - aside from thinking they were 'history' from books at school. Then found the newly formed "breadtube" after college, which felt like haven compared to the internet of the 2010s. Then all hell broke loose on my country and the USA because Conservatives got elected as presidents and protestants/catholics got way too much wings, wanted to know what the hell is going on, then started researching politics and religion with more discipline ever since. But anyways, every story is interesting to give contrast to others, let everyone know the diversity of experiences, even between people that never truly had to consciously enter the left
(It's also good for learning the collective complete lack of knowledge about what is trully going on in the world that everyone, even politicians, seems to have, all over the world. We are all just winging it)
I was “alt-right” before alt-right was a term. It wasnt till i was 22 that i had gotten out of that.
Im 36 now.
This is an awesome convo and chalk full of good advice for those of us who want to help deradicalize others. It's a lot like trying to shake someone's evangelical brainwashing: you have to stay chill, be kind, seem open to their ideas, and ask questions that might put a bug in their ear to question the church moreso on their own. The same goes for general conservatism. I've been trying to do so with my dad for years by calmly pointing out when a complaint he has is exacerbated greatly by gop policies - as well as pointing out explicate lies they tell on the campaign trail. It's not easy, but it's worth it for the little ideological victories. And more broadly, those little wins can snowball into more progressive votes.
My boss was a flat earther, I always said "it's round" monotone and with a small sigh. Introduced stuff about space and I could see some cracks
I fell down the right-libertarian rabbit hole for about 2 years myself. Always a way out.
Any ways necessary
i went super left -> super right and then super left again after trump mishandled covid, i’m glad i snapped out of it
I think it’s worth it for vaush to get a new chair that’s a ethical purchase it makes sende
Good luck with your project!
as a fellow british super mega autist i felt the end of that call oh my god
As an autistic, terminally online, gamer I'm so glad I wasn't born 5 years later. By that point a lot of the people who ended up on the IDW or atheist areas online had lost their shine as I'd gotten old enough to critique them better.
Ironically it was often lessons I got from them that made me realise they were full of it. Like Dawkins talking about how scientists follow the new evidence then refusing to follow the evidence about trans people.
Vaush outlining that alt right misery lead to their conversion, that many are lonely or neuro atypical 😍 understanding the enemy is so sexy 🌈🏳️🌈VAUSH MARRY ME YOU MOUNTAIN OF A MAN YOU! 🏳️🌈🌈
Ron DeRizzless
My story was actually a bit different… I was getting very into the whole Shapiro et al crew. I was really idolising Jordan Peterson and his talks basically pushed me to get back into education and figure out what I wanted to do with my life. I decided I wanted to dedicate my life to helping people so started a degree in Psychology, whilst working in care.
Starting that degree honestly gave me the tools to understand the fallacious reasoning used by these guys. Helping people in the care sector made me realise how destructive the whole “libertarian” bullshit actually is.
What I’m trying to convey is that, in a weird way, the person that talked me out of the alt-right nonsense was Jordan Peterson - despite him absolutely being part of it.
Kinda wild all this shit started with Jack Thompson
bababooey
Gettum
Hispanic men think they're white lol
They are/can be. They just won’t be treated by western European whites as white. Or at least not in their ideal world. For radical protest- sure they can be white. (; Now stand in the frontlines says the white white supremacist.
They forgot about the nopal on their brown foreheads 😂😂😂
@@summerlovinxxWhat he means is that they can side with the Nazi's today and be embraced, but as the 'bigger' enemies are eliminated, they would start to enter the Nazi radar for removal and oppression etc.
Nazi's are a bit like wokescolds in one way, they both emphasise purity and end up in 'purity spirals' where the deeper you go, the more absurdly they demand their idea of perfection. The difference is for the lefty wokescolds, its ideological purity but the right it's 'racial purity' as well as ideological.
The 'noose' mentioned is suggesting they'll lynch him. The far right has this concept called 'day of the rope' where they are let loose and purge all their perceived enemies. Really friendly stuff like that.
Jesus christ guys white is a made up concept. There is white skin. Which alot of arabs have which alot of Hispanic people which well mostly Asian people. So yeah. There is Caucasian people. But not all Caucasian people have white skin colour. That's it.
@@summerlovinxx I believe he's referring to the "day of the rope" and applying the "Ernst Röhm award for participation" (since Ernst Röhm, a gay man and leader of the SA was executed under the "Knight of the Long Knives"). There are Hispanic nazis or other right-wing extremists that believe they are the good ones. But at the end of the day if you follow that pipeline which advocates for racist pseudoscience and ethnostates, they will also become victims of the hateful ideology they helped spread.
I really want to send a vaush video to my younger brother whos been falling down the alt-right pipeline. But im not sure wich one. I concidered this one but im not sure.
Correction: only matter after they change, they are an active threat before :)
Love from a ChristainVerstappen and HunterAvalone fan!
The biggest thing when it comes to communication with friends/family members that are on the far-Right is understanding that they REALLY believe in the things that they spout off. They believe their sources (be it Newsmax/OAN, podcasts, etc.), and they believe in their political (and oftentimes religious) leaders. However - and this is difficult for some to wrap their minds around - they are still people. People with bad opinions, yes, but still people. Unless a debate is scheduled and regulated in advance, a debate isn't a healthy way to communicate conflicting ideas with your close social circle. Listen to each other; confirm that you understand each other; be willing to examine sources and come back to topics in the future; and most of all, keep the relationship as a priority, but draw healthy boundaries with your friend/family member in question. If they are getting carried away and starting to yell or interrupt consistently, remind them that a conversation goes both ways and you will only continue if they bring things down a notch. Remember, these people have been brainwashed by propaganda and bad ideas - just like anyone in a cult, you have to have some grace. Don't allow them to walk all over you, and you don't have to agree with them, but come from a place of empathy and understanding. It goes a long way in maybe not fully changing their minds, but at least opening them up to the idea that people that disagree with them aren't the "other" or "evil," which helps them develop an empathy they may not currently have. That empathy is the first step to liberal thought, and that's a huge first step.
Great advice. If you are getting advices back, I'd let you know I bet you do not understand what "liberal thought" actually is. Matter of fact I don't think you understand what really as a "liberal" either. If you leave that term out, your comment will be a perfect vector for teaching sympathy to people dealing with people in cults, and getting them out of there
@@ViniSocramSaintI mean, libs are empathetic and have principles. If you get a reactionary family member to respect marginalized groups and support welfare and stuff like that, I say mission accomplished. It's okay if they still believe in capitalism. There's only so much you can do. Some people will be more moved over by the radical nature of leftism, and some people will just become milktoast libs
@@inafridge8573 "Liberals" are not "a step closer to the left", they are a brand of right wingers that don't believe in certain, very few, "dogmas" the rest do, but keep many, even the most hateful and religious dogmas. They are "liberated" from some beliefs, meaning they are not "pure" or even "true righties", according to "OG righties". And sometimes there isn't even a difference. What we colloquialy call "liberals" are the true leftists, but they are not liberals. Examples of "OG liberals" are the heads of the propaganda machine called Fox News, the grifter Jordan Peterson and people into the Men's Rights Movement.
Then there are the "economical liberals" that believe the government losing all it's power or there having 0 regulations in anything capitalizable is freedom, on top of bosses being able to do LITERALLY ANYTHING in the name of "liberty" and ANYTHING BEING CAPITALIZABLE, not mattering how cruel denying it to everyone would be. Literal anarchy in favor of the elite. Example: D. Tr*mp.
Liberals are basically right wingers, but more loyal (blindly and religiously) to Liberty (the right wing concept, not actual liberty), but they like the flare of having a different tittle, probably to pretend to be more righteous and pretend their belief in the Gov and any bureaucracy being evil is not antisemitic, religious BS (New World Ord*r) or literal propaganda, to appeal to newer generations "that were indoctrinated in the belief that fascism and profit by any means are bad, by the divisive, opressive Left".
That is what I mean when I say Cowboy up there and you, Fridge, do not understand what is a liberal, and so, should hold on using the term for a tad longer while you both learn, so to not teach the wrong thing, even if well meaning.
Kinda disappointed he disn't say "Hi, I'm Vaush from Vaush" at the intro.
😂😂😂 steve bannon, a fisher of men ... I mean Incels.
I like the alt ctl del right 😂
I really love your presentation and ideas and the ability to get them across, but could you please wear something with sleeves? Just putting that out there.
@@huskyops678 I don't think this is indicative of some insecurity on my part. I just think it makes for a terrible visual.
its may
@@etasjo it may or may not
Easier to not join a cult than to escape from one.
Vaush is my idol.
How to escape the alt-right: Get off social media for a few months and get therapy. Take a philosophy class and learn critical thinking.
Underrated. Taking philosophy and ethics classes in college really helped refine my thought processes. And funny enough it also made me further left because during ethics class a woman got hysterically angry during the abortion discussions in ethics class - and it wasnt a lefty, it was a conservative woman screeching about baby murder. Yeah, she got kicked out of the class...
Its funny how the right wants us to think that all karens are liberals and alot of snowflake outrage is caused by leftists when the reality is the only time ive ever seen that kind of behaviour in real life is from conservatives.
Oh youre so much educated now, how good for you! Now you can look down on the rest of us who are f*ed and laugh at us, feeling much better about urself.
I never considered myself more than a “rational centrist” (cringe) but I was basically repeating right wing talking points all the time.
I'm gonna go ER in Minecraft
I enjoy these kinds of videos
There is no escape the rightis the side of logic and sanity if you want neither you're on the left
That's what I used to think, lol.
Amazin'
Icon of Degeneracy is a punk band
Wouldn’t you want to talk to an Alt right?
Humboldt County love!!!
19:39
i had sussy wussy political views from 2015 to 2018 when my tankie views ''evolved'' into alt-right views and it's the cringiest period of my life
doesn't help that i grew up pretty alienated and continued to be alienated through most of my adolescent years and this was during the height of the nationalist wave of the mid 2010s
bababooey
tru and real
17:58 anyone wanna watch Vaush die on the inside? 😂
Tldw:
Just say “hey, stop being alt-right”
Problem solved.
Aye "come on now lad"
I was actually gripped by vaush here with even the obvious points they were just elegantly put. That being said lose some goddamn weight Ian. 🖤
**PDFile, opinion invalid.**
>he him for now
every fucking time
Ok horse boy
Just turn on your left turn signal. Duh.
The issue is that people in the left lane don't like letting people in. They do that annoying thing where the won't let you in, but they also won't just pass you.
@@wta1518 That's an uncomfortably realistic analogy for the left
Vaush bad
I was always left but I could’ve fallen down a deep right rabbit hole. I saw Tim Pool and thought he had good point but something felt off, he said he was a centrist but his title and words were always so fear mongering. Till I saw the Tim pool cause debate and i was like yep vaush is god. Been here Ever since. Unfortunately because of my leftist views I’ve grown but seen others I looked up to grown into hateful or Atleast fall down the far right pipe line, Sargon, the quartering and shit even fucking jobtron. Like I’ve used to think joe rogan was a crazy far right dude. Turns out no he’s kinda all over the place, but is definitely insane
"What does autistic mean anymore?"
It's when a person the internet.
Women🗑
he/him for now? lol
Vaush got old in this debate
So did the Crowder video shake any of his following loose, the one on the patio with his wife?
Likely not because you have to consider that they don't value kindness or logic, they value "strength".
For an alt righter, what crowder did wasn't a pathetic manchild throwing a hissy fit at his wife. To them it was "a strong man putting an uppity woman in her place". Cause she was the one that got emotional, that was visibly hurt. She showed "weakness" therefor she "lost".
I believe so. I don't have the numbers or stats.
People who kinda listen to him now know he is a red flag, they are less likely to listen to him and become even more alt right.
People who don't listen to him now know he is a red flag. 'Hey this guy I am dating is listening to him. I should dump him'. Preventing her from being more conservative. He may change his ways to get laid again. Or, 'Oh, hey. My son listens to this creep, I should ground him.'
Many conservatives like to do plausible deniability and muddy the waters. This has been clear that he is terrible. Many moderates don't want to be labeled/associated with conservative.
Also, this will probably prevent him from being a host on Fox news ans having an even larger audience, like many conservatives who had small radio shows get larger and then host Fox News like Glenn Beck did, until he got booted.
i really love your commentary but please buy a new chair please dude please
Bruh imagine talking about the "alt right" 2023. Literally no one calls themselves that anymore. Not even the Nazis.
Thanks name police, you saved the day
And this is significant how?
@@fulcrum2951 Probably should just title these things "the right"
@@summerlovinxx The thing is if they are not yet they will be,
The mainline GOPs talking points, are all nazi stuff, so if you truely belive those things, chances are your belifes are either nazi, or close enough the diffrence doesent matter
@@summerlovinxx But 90% of Republicans agree with what the Proud Boys are doing.
What’s considered alt left than?
I'm not sure if an alt-left even exists, alt right came about as an "alternative approach to the right" so idk what an "alt-left" would be
There's no Alt-Left in the same sense as there is an Alt Right. All the left-wing terms you might use from Social Democrat to Communist are kind of shat on or lumped under Liberal, meanwhile there is a distinct "Good", accepted main stream Right (Conservative and Libertarian) and "Bad" Right (Fascists and Reactionaries), and the Alt-Right comes about as the "Bad" Right trying to brand themselves as the "Good" Right.
I guess Alt-left would be "non-electoral left wing". People who join revolutionary socialist organizations as opposed to political parties like the Democratic Socialists of America or Communist Party of the United States.
When you ride the hoarse shoe theory back around to the right..l
@@RedShocktrooperRST tankies
You, when you touch yourself at night.
Why would you escape being right
I can tell why I escaped. I was getting triggerd by any bullshit and angry. Now I actually fell better.
@@tomgu2285If we lived in a Society with Right wing social acceptance you wouldn't feel guilty at all. The reason you feel that way because our society penalizes those ideas.
@@mac_o7 why would right wing be acceptable? In the 19th century right wing was definitely more acceptable. But what happend? Literally only wars.
Nobody wants to be a soy cuck
@@mac_o7 The person didn't even mention guilt. Talk about projection lmao
White is the majority in America and Europe. But, it is a minority compared to the rest of the world. So, it actually makes sense for those who are part of the Alt Right to be concerned. All it would take is China or India women to breed out the white within 2 generations and one year to undo the culture of American and European whiteness. With the African gen it will take one generation to undo both. So, of I were a white man or woman with limited world views I would be extremely bothered.
But, if you really want to hurt the far right simply send attractive and educated women who are none white and of non white beliefs to break them from within.
Just so you know if you're still anti-feminist, then don't talk about leaving the alt right cause you're still one of them
He isn't anti-feminist, he IS against hating all men however
@@IAMSONICTH3H3DG3H0G The way you responded makes me feel like you think feminism= anti-male. Isn't that like believing blm= anti-white?
@@IAMSONICTH3H3DG3H0G I didn't talk about vaush but rather anti-feminist "leftists" like you who claim you escaped the alt right pipeline yet think hatred towards cishet white men
is a bad thing when it's not
@@jermu-p5e I.. just said he isnt anti-feminism. He's anti-hating all men, which is often confused for him being anti-feminist
@@IAMSONICTH3H3DG3H0G Are you anti-feminist
As a Socialist a "national" one i suppose, vaush is right.
*How to go from based to cringe
I find myself becoming more and more anti woke, (or whatever this shit is) as I grow up. This dude definitely sounded really agreeable when I was like 16 17 but definitely a lot less now.
"16 or 17" so a year ago?😂
@@Based-Anarcho-Syndicalist-Chadno. This person does not comprehend time. They are 13
Being 'woke' just means don't be a dick. It's that simple.
Don't use vaush as an excuse for losing touch with your morals, that's on you
It’s very easy to become more conservative as you get older (assuming this is what you mean by antiwoke) due to the mind of a young person often seeing a lot more wrong with the world than someone older, because they’re growing up and seeing the world for the first time which fundamentally changes your perspective. This means in order to hold leftest views you have to actively try harder to see issues in the world that may have become more like mundane realities to you. I think is easiest to relate to the overuse of cars in america, I’m more more passionate about this than my father for example, because I notice that walking from place to place in my town with four lane roads and no side walks is awful, while he doesn’t notice these things because he’s driven for decades of his life. Just because what Vaush says here seems more unagreeable than it used to, it doesn’t mean he’s necessarily that - as most often misconstrue it as - you’re maturing out of leftism. It’s really just a natural consequence of aging and shifting prospective like I mentioned. So keep thinking critically about the world around you, and understand your gut reaction may not be as synonymous with good ideas as it used to be.
Wtf? He is 18 but sounds like 35 what the hell.
British start smoking at 8.
Right wing politics makes you age physically 30 years but makes your mental maturity degenerate by 30 years.
Im happy for anyone that crawls out of the septic tanks.
Its the boomer mentality, we need to act like a species, the system isnt working.
wasn’t necessarily alt right, but def was right leaning back during the first gamergate (2014-15)
it’s crazy how it was all just internalized self hatred
edit: from my personal experience, try replacing the problematic creators with nonproblematic or less problematic creators who make similar content. that really helped me branch away from the right and helped me open my eyes to other viewpoints and actually learn some stuff, not only about the world, but about myself as well. from there, keep branching out, and keep learning.
@@RyolithRandil I almost hate how it seems more helpful to, instead of being resentful and disappointed with one group instead of another, to just be disappointed with everyone. To the extent I used to be a part of a team, it was “this one good, this one bad.” Now everyone is just shit to me. Some are just worse than others. Though I’ll admit, in aggregate it feels better to live this way.
@@RyolithRandil yup, you are definitely one. The libertarian position is that war is bad and don't stick your nose it where it doesn't belong. After the soviet dissolved, the west had decades to reset relations with Russia so there wouldn't be another cold war. Two decades later we have another cold war. This time it is with Russia and China.
Sure, get mad at the libertarians for not wanting conflict and just want countries to trade and get rich together peacefully.
The most common horse gaits (i.e. movements), in order of slowest to fastest, are walk, trot, canter, and gallop. Some horses are called “gaited” because they have additional gaits. Icelandic Horses are one example of a gaited horse.🐎
Thank you 🎠 it truly wouldn't be a vaush vod without mention of horses
I think the biggest reason for the rise of the Alt Right is we have too many men that are not meaningfully employed and many are not in any meaningful relationship...at the same time you have Billionaires willing to fund alt right individuals in the hope of grooming the next generation of political leaders to help maintain a Kleptocracy...
You're anti-feminist so who are you to lecture how the alt right is bad
Are you anti-feminist actually I'm curious
@@jermu-p5e no I'm not about forcing women back to the kitchen or blaming the feminist movement I find it hard to believe that women are taking all the jobs away from men and that this is why we have so many layabout men...I think it's more to do with we have so many unsatisfying low pay jobs no one wants to bother doing and many would rather live off a parents or girlfriends salary or retirement income...We have to find a societal solution that keeps men occupied with something productive or fulfilling even if they are not employed...Kind of like Japan had going with the Samurai during the Peace Times they were occupied with Arts whether painting or Judo...idle unhappy men are a ticking time bomb they are easily led towards violence especially by manipulative power hungry ambitious individuals who can put them to use to attain political power...
i love the more discussion based videos
Discussion based videos? More like discussion *cringe* videos, amirite?
(i'm sorry)
Totally unrelated to the conversation but this guy sounds really simular to a guy I used to play dnd with, simular mannerisms too. He was always a blast to play with. Definately not the same guy cos they have different names, but made me feel reminiscent
@@RyolithRandil lmao, I meant the guy interviewing vaush, my bad for not clarifying oops