That baby would've been 30 yrs old now. My daughter was born in 1994. We adopted her, receiving her when she was 5 days old. I think of her when I hear these stories. My daughter's birth mom hid her pregnancy but loved her enough to give her life. Her mother helped her find parents for the baby. Today, I'm a mom & a grandma. It's awesome. This poor family.
@discobikerAndRosie I love hearing adoption stories, all of them. I gave my baby up for adoption in 1975 - not because I didn't want him, but because I loved him enough to give him the life I never had (Mom and Dad, a home, a family), but giving him up almost killed me. I drowned my pain in drugs and alcohol, until I decided he wasn't going to see a tombstone when he went to meet his birth Mother. We're very close today, he'll be 50, and (just like God promises/tenfold blessings) - today I'm a Grandma to two, have two Daughter In Laws (along with their families), and I'm a Great Grandma of 5. God gave me back tenfold. Best choice I ever made. Thank you for sharing your story. Evil Intention - I'm new to your channel, I like your narration, presentation, and that you answered questions about this tragedy. Thank you, I liked and subscribed. (I'm usually not this breathy🙄) One thing I noticed is that the visuals seem to go by so fast, they didn't have time to register... I think it would enhance your video if they went by a hair slower (they flipped by like the old time cartoon calendar pages 😁) My best.
@ColleenLytle-sq8tx God bless you. The Lord knew you loved your child & He watched over you during the hard times. My daughter knows her birth mom & immediate family. I insisted on an open adoption. I wanted my baby to know where she came from. I'm so glad you have a big family now! TY for sharing your story! I know giving your son to someone else was very tough!
I was a teacher in the Bronx in the 90’s and remember talking with my colleagues in the teachers lounge about this crazy story. Thanks for this channel. You have kept alive NYC stories that should not be forgotten.
She should have been put in mental Hospital. Rykers Island. Is that the only prison in NY. Why didn't she get mental❤health treatment❤❤. ❤❤❤❤Sad story overall.❤ ❤The pain of delivering a baby in a tub must of been horrendous.❤❤
I cannot believe this went to ❤trial❤. What she did is a result of her mental intability. Glad she went back to London. Her poor family lost all their retirement. Clearly she had some kind of mental breakdown. I have no opinion...too complicated.
I am 61 and have never commented on any story before but feel due to two experiences in my life I need to share.i had a young babysitter 17 who cocealed her pregnancy luckily she had the baby and all turned out well in the end but just giving birth on your own is so dangerous and traumatic when I talked to her after she said she was scared and ashamed she thought she had let her parents down by getting pregnant ,another' close friend of mine concealed her pregnancy and the first her whole family where aware was the day she gave birth.both these cases are obviously different to this case because both babies are fine healthy adults now,but I know these girls where very traumatised to coceal the birth.i feel this young woman was hugely mentally unstable and the fact she held on to her baby in the way she did proves it let's face it she could have dropped her bay just about anywhere before going to airport and leaving the country and nobody would have even known but she held on to it I don't believe for a minute any of this was planned action she was completely mentally unwell these things are far from black and white unfortunately ❤
I feel you on that. Every single one is one I haven’t seen. When Jose drops a video, I zoom through everything I planned to complete. I shower, pop some popcorn for the hubby, and pour a glass of wine for me. Hubby’s so funny. He sits up in the bed and stares at me. He’s like yum, popcorn 🍿and wine?🍷 then belts out and another one. Then air beats the drums, lol.🥁 So I say, ha-ha, DJ Khalid. He says to me Jose dropped another video, huh? I'm not paying attention or thinking about what he’s yapping about because I’m trying to get comfy in bed to watch the video. So I say, unhuh! He starts dfl so hard and loud. I’m like, babe! Jeez, Louise, be quiet before you wake up the baby. He looks at me and says, you don’t get it? At this point, I’m a little annoyed and say, between shown teeth, get what, babeee?🤷🏾 Lmao! He looks at me with this look, talking about when I said and another one. You got it because you called me DJ Khalid. At that moment, it hit me that he said and another one and beat the invisible drum, lmao, because he was trying to be DJ Khalid. Hahahaha!😂😂🤣🤣 to make me laugh.😆😆 My husband:😐😒 I had to tell this story because my husband is so funny to me and adorable. Let’s just say I had the best laugh before watching the tragedy of little Olivia Ann’s murder. R.I.P. Baby Olivia.❤❤
Her state of mind and fear is not easily understood when you are functioning normally and it’s easy to be horrified as we should. I myself have suffered severe depression that nearly killed me. The mind goes to strange places and her hearing and believing things that weren’t true can happen. A very tragic event all round.
I always hate when these cases pop up on true crime channels, there is very little compassion in the comments section. It's so clearly a mental health phenomenon.
This comment, a million times. Her need to cover it at the beginning for her dying friends sake sets the tone for this tragic story. Everything that comes after is traumas ,grief, What sound like perinatal depression and dissociation. Extreme,yes ,absolutely, but very obvious after having the facts. I feel for the baby that never got a chance....I feel even more for the woman who suffered through all this alone too though. Tragic for all involved.
I agree, the things that lined up in Caroline’s life were truly heartbreaking, none of us know how this would have affected us.The poor baby payed the terrible price of her Mothers mental illness. I think that if she had just been a cold, callous murderer, she could have left the baby anywhere and no one would ever have known. A terrible situation for all concerned….the baby should be alive today, if only someone had noticed the events playing out.
She carried the baby full term. 9 months. She didn't tell anyone she Was pregnant. 9 months. U can call it mental illness all you like, you're just not apt to face reality. All of you, "a million" times.
Wait and she got her job back working for The Department of Health??! Whewww she got off but thanks to your channel Olivia Ann lives on. Its not lost on me that Olivia Ann would’ve been almost in her 30’s.
Maybe her experience made her especially suited for that post. Maybe she wants to „repent“ and give to society and to children in need BECAUSE of her past? 🥺
"Wore deceased baby around her neck" WHAT? what am I about to watch? Regardless, thank you for the upload, I just... I don't know if my mental health is ready to watch this.
I think I’m going have to take a pass on this. My soul is crushed watching how many children are starving and being murdered around the world in the name of god every day. I don’t need to go back into the past to hear another horror story. 🤍
I agree. Too little "real". Just horrible people out there and too much Sensationalization of these crimes. God help us all. Things like this will go on and on .
This was my face once you got to the part about her giving birth in the bathtub 😳😳😳😳. Wow!! As a woman who has suffered several miscarriages, I'll never understand how people can carry a baby, give birth, then kill it. That is absolutely disgusting.
She killed her baby planned her fate and used her dead friend as an scape goat while hiding the pregnancy and making sure Paul was out when she made her move. She knew she was in labor. The fact that she got her job back as a child advocate is appalling
But why though? Because what I was thinking was she considered the baby as punishment and she looked at her best friend dying as the same. But instead of honoring her friend she….well yk
I was thinking the very same thing, although telling her best friend that she was pregnant while her friend was having any chance at having one taken away from her, and eventually her entire life, would have been rough. She may have thought that getting pregnant at that time was a way the universe was punishing her even more so than just her best friend dieing
IMO her friend had nothing to do with what she did...her kiIIing her child was out of pure selfishness! Her parents treated her like a little girl...maybe in her mind she wouldn't have gotten the attention she wanted from both her parents and her bf if there was another person taking that limelight! Just my opinion.
@dansweda712 I understand, but I honestly believe she used her friend as an excuse. That could've been a beautiful thing they could've shared together during her last days. It may have even given her a new burst of life thinking about the little person who will be taking her place. She didn't even allow the father her boyfriend to try to help her figure it out. She assumed it would've taken the shine away from her friend, but honestly, I think that baby would've brought everyone closer . She never called for help she didn't even tell him .she took his chance of being her father away because she was selfish. Even though it was stated by him, they did speak of wanting children . She was just pure evil.
@@kaleahcollins4567 yeah, I was just trying to understand what was going through her mind, to make the kind of decisions that she had made, I'm thinking they could have been more than just friends, but what was certain was that she did have an unnatural dependency on her friend, because I believe every decision she made was with her friend in mind, no matter how twisted
How someone can kill their own child I will never understand. You said it correctly, This child should have never lost her life!!! God rest your soul 🙏 Olivia Anne..
Caroline was incredibly mentally ill. It's wild that a bunch of people here are acting like she's just a cold hearted murderer. The US carceral system rots our brains, I swear.
You are absolutely right, Jose, Olivia Ann did NOT have to die! Had the mum had the support required, the baby would now be a grown woman. I live in Great Britain, I am formerly from NYC. I have worked with women with pre and post natal depression and those with post natal psychosis. Out here we have what’s called ‘mother and baby units’ for mums who have mental ill health. We do not believe in separating mums from their babies as it is very important that they bond. Obviously IF the baby will suffer from significant harm at the hands of the mum, then of course they will not place the baby in that harm. This is a tragic story and the way you reported it respected everyone involved.
I’m 42 years old born and raised in the LOWER EAST SIDE and I’ve never heard of this story before 😢wow crazy just when you think you Heard everything 💔🙏🏼 I lived a 1 block away from the man who killed that woman and served her as soup in Tompkins Square Park my neighborhood always been bad It’s actually called ALPHABET CITY and was known for drugs crime and the burnt out buildings in the 80s
I remember this story as a New Yorker no one had sympathy for her. Her parents had no sympathy for the baby, It was as though the child life did not matter. You are doing a very good job telling about these New York true crimes calmly.
Yes, I believe so, but I am NOT condoning her actions. Why else would she take her deceased baby with her to the airport, thus uncovering the terrible truth? How come nobody heard the baby cry after she was born if she was alive? Guilty people do their best to cover up their crimes and cover their tracks. Caroline did not discard her baby, which she could easily have done without detection. Nevertheless, this is a terrible case, poor baby Olivia and my heart goes out to her Dad Paul.
I totally agree with you, I came on to comment that none of us knows how we would react in those circumstances.I came on to comment saying something along those lines but reading most comments people are sadly lacking in compassion RIP baby girl
She needed help. So awful that nobody noticed her pregnancy or urged her to see a psychologist for depression. She seems to have been absorbed into her boyfriend's family but didn't she have any family of her own? Nobody she could confide in? That's tragic, if so. But yes, she was clearly in shock while delivering that poor baby alone in a hotel room in a strange city and unfamiliar country. Out of her mind, indeed. Not a cold blooded murderer, in my opinion, but a frightened, physically compromised young woman who had nobody she could trust to help her. Just so terribly sad. Hiding the corpse under her clothes is weird, definitely, and it makes no rational sense unless you consider that she might have wanted to keep the baby close to her for emotional comfort. To bring her home for a proper burial, maybe. Impossible to know what was going on in her tortured mind.
Agreed… She had been very ill for a long time. Her friend’s illness, subsequent death, and guilt surrounding her pregnancy was too much for her to mentally handle. She tried to cope through denial and dissociation, and the pregnancy hormones just tipped her into psychosis. It’s very sad that her family didn’t notice or care about her declining mental health and get her help.
I can understand hiding her pregnancy from her dying friend, as her friend wanted children and all. I just can’t understand hiding it from Paul. You’d think she would name her baby after her friend, and it would be a new start. But people don’t always do things that make sense 🤷♀️
It sounds like she had a complete mental break. As someone above said, pregnancy hormones are not a joke. The fact that she went to the airport with the deceased baby demonstrates she wasn't in her right mind. I can state this and still feel sorry for the baby.
Paul didn't claim the baby after he found out and called himself not romantic, he seems like an emotionally unavailable boyfriend. I understand why she wouldn't feel comfortable telling him.
While I sympathize with Caroline and her grief from the passing of her friend, Alison, Caroline still committed a heinous act and should’ve been punished accordingly. Honestly, she got away with murder. RIP Olivia Ann 🕊️
Lots of red flags long before the trip to New York. Anyone suffering from depression should be taken seriously, and if they aren't capable of helping themselves, then those around them, their friends should intervene and encourage her to get help, and if not going to their Dr to get help.
@@lizar7623I understand what you are saying. I had a friend commit suicide and if I had been more switched on maybe I could have prevented it, this person showed all the signs of depression and I was too wrapped up in my own world to notice. I would like to think if I was in the same situation again I would recognise the signs and be more pro-active.
But it was a different world back then. Depression was considered selfindulgent and being lazy. The tide was only just starting to turn with mental health. It wasn't all flags n banners as it is now. I was 27 in 1994. I've suffered depression since puberty. People were still very much "pull yourself together" & "stop feeling sorry for yourself" my own gp told me to "get out there n stop thinking about yourself so much" just 2yrs after losing my daughter to cotdeath.
@@lizar7623She was pregnant and nobody noticed, it seems many people around her were unavailable and not paying enough attention to even offer help. I think that's why she felt guilty sharing her pregnancy and grief. Emotionally unavailable people are very common.
Everyone was so consumed with Caroline and how she was feeling and her "mental" state. And yet the baby (Olivia Ann) is barely a footnote in the story of "poor" Caroline. That sweet precious child will never experience any first. No loving touch, no warm feelings of family connections, no taste of ice cream or the sights and feels of a first snowfall, nothing. Rip sweet Olivia Ann 😢❤
Olivia Ann is in paradise where no baby girl is harmed away from this cruel world, playing with all the other children, in the care of Jesus. She wasn’t meant for this evil place!
She did the wrong thing, but was mentally and emotionally unwell. I don’t think she was legally insane, she was clearly not able to have proper judgment. If she were just evil, she’d have disposed of the baby in New York, like in a dumpster or in the sewer. She would not have tried to smuggle her on a plane to London! She should do some time in prison while receiving counseling. After release, she needed on-going counseling and supervision.
I agree. No one knew. She could of disposed of the baby's body and it would of never been connected to her because she would of been back in the UK. Clearly she was mentally ill and had convinced herself that the baby was stillborn. Sounds like she believed that prior to the baby being born. It's a terrible situation regardless, but I don't thinking putting her away for life would of been the right choice.
She was and still is in the health care field. How could she not know her baby girl was alive? I wonder what else was she hiding, was the baby her fiancé’s? Thanks for honoring the memory of a little girl, that didn’t get a chance to live.
Thank you for knowing how to narrate and pronounce things properly. Its very refreshing to listen to someone with a steady tone who approches the subjects in their videos with respect. I appreciate your work
She had Perinatal depression and a very serious case of it , we are all pretty familiar with PND but not so with Perinatal depression, which in serious cases are a considered a very high risk to the baby . I have worked with women with both and it would likely surprise you to now that there are cases of women with PND who believe that their very alive 3 month old is dead ! We should not judge, these cases are completely different from women who starve and torture their kids or pass them around to be abused. Mental illness would still have been so stigmatised in 1990’s in the U.K they were only beginning to understand PND never mind Perinatal depression? Because it’s invisible doesn’t mean it’s not happening to someone!
👏👏👏😊👍...yes yes thank u again for sharing with us. We appreciate all the time,effort, an hard work u put into these videos. Sincere prayers to this family.😔🙏🙏...♥️
@@LoloO42 lol yeah then she knew that the baby would come back on her if she was to do that. Plus she could’ve let them know the baby died and still took the baby back smh y’all would give everybody a pass
This story brought back an old memory.. I had an unexpected miscarriage at a young age. I was hysterical and afraid to tell my family. I bled for a few days. I'm thankful I'm still alive. But this story... she knew she was pregnant... full term.. my goodness..
Excellent delivery, and style. With a powerful storytelling. This is a wild connection between 2 great cities. Im from NYC, and I remember this crazy ass story.
She shouldn't have been let free. She murdered her innocent baby! "I just switch it off... " shows her cold-hearted character. She also shouldn't be allowed to work in the health system!!!! I feel so sorry for Paul. 😢
As you are obviously such 'God-fearing' People, just pray fervently to your God that none of your loved ones ever suffer from psychosis. She obviously was suffering from pre- and post-partum psychosis. In layman's terms, she was stone-cold crazy. Whereas you accusers are just stone cold. May God forgive you too.
New Subscriber here. I remember this case. The way this content was put together, how it was told an narrated is excellent. Impactful would be an understatement.
Wow. I wasn't expecting this to have a link to my neck of the woods (London; great job btw, Jose, on the details of Leytonstone 💜👍) - but I suspect that in her deep depression and grief, Caroline actually thought she was "carrying" a surrogate dead ghost baby for her friend (hence not feeling connected to her baby, Olivia, and not telling her partner and Mum that she was pregnant - and trying to bring the body back to the UK to probably bury with her friend 👀 😢). Psychologically, all of that sleeping - 11/12 hours at a time - spells deep depression. That poor, poor little baby 😢 R.I.P babygirl 💜 💐
She gave birth while in the bathtub. She left the baby floating in the water. She probably drowned. Either way she is responsible for her death and she got off lightly.
I can understand her circumstances somewhat. She didn’t want to upset her friend but after the friend passed, she still continued to hide the pregnancy. Why? And why didn’t she notify SOMEONE if she allegedly believed the baby was deceased? I just don’t get leaving the baby in a tub, not checking to see if she was alive, before putting the baby in a garbage bag. THEN bringing the body to the airport?? 🥴 she got a slap on the wrist, no lie.
We only have the word of a sadly disturbed woman about what happened while she gave birth. This content creator gave her no quarter, and painted it against her, just like the American justice system. Post-natal and peri-natal depression and psychosis are no joke. Symptoms can onset rapidly after the hormonal ordeal of giving birth.
I'm genuinely convinced she had a severe form of depression and was in a state of shock/psychosis. Does that mean it's ok-no but mental illness is unreal. I used to think a lot of untrue things about mental illness. I saw my sister, after a traumatic event kinda just become a shell of herself. It started affecting her mothering. I used to say "it doesn't matter I've been depressed and id NEVER allow it to affect my ways of mothering etc". Until I had emergency surgery almost died, my mother died, I got a cancer diagnosis, had several surgeries, my father died, and my relationship became abusive, all in a 3 year time span. My God I don't even know how I was functioning. While my son was with his dad I "took a week to myself" next thing I knew it had been 6 months and I had no idea how time flew. I had emotionally abandoned my son and did irreparable damage. I became the thing I never understood. I finally snapped out of it and am getting help and slowly repairing my relationship with my son. But honestly I think she mentally avoided the fact she was pregnant. Like extreme denial. Then when she had it it immediately put her in an overwhelmed state and panic. She wasn't calculating anything at that point she was just in autopilot survival mode.
Thank you so much Mr. Ortiz for giving voices to the ones who can't speak anymore. I remember hearing about this case in the 90s. Extremely disturbing indeed. And to think this woman is now free is disgusting. RIP to the baby. The baby didn’t deserve this. The baby will not be forgotten. You are a class act Mr. Ortiz. You was still able to show care, compassion, and love for the victims you always do!! Much respect!!
I truly appreciate the care and respect you show, not only the victims of these heinous crimes, but your audience as well. You keep an eye on your viewers mental health, and that means a lot in this day and age. Thank you again for telling these stories and giving these people a voice from beyond. I hope YOUR mental health is as good as possible, given the terrible things you have to research regularly. Thank you again.
I’ve delivered 3 babies (1 with no pain control, 2 with epidural wearing off). I can’t even begin to imagine going on a trip around the city and taking a flight overseas after giving birth alone in a bathtub. God, I was in so much pain…I absolutely can’t imagine.
I'm an Irish lady who was adopted in 1974 from a 15 yr old with mother and I had my first son in 1995 unmarried and the laundries were still open in Ireland until 1997 when I had my 2nd son. I had a great life and went on to have 5 beautiful sons and tg my birth mother gave me life and then to have a great life with my parents ❤
Dear lord this one was rough.... I lost my mother to cancer when I was in my mid twenties my baby brother was 19 . We watched her suffer for 3 years the last year of my mother's life was misery for her no matter how hard she tried to put on a good face for us kids, we knew her suffering was unbearable.. when she passed it killed my siblings and I . Our mother was our not only our world but she was the light for the entire family. After her death it seemed the entire family abandoned us because we reminded them of her which reminded them of the pain left in her presence... it by far was the worst most painful time in my life... it took years for me to come out of the grief .... the birth of my son is what saved me TRULY ... I'll never understand her actions !!! NEVER
I can relate to your story I cared for my mum for 7years I woke to do her breakfast Tina make me a cup of tea ,I did held it to her mouth , then she had a heart attack gone in a flash , I screamed to house down I went into shock . My hair fell out soon after , I’m so sorry for your pain love no one understands but you will , how much hurt ,memories pain loss
I think this woman was slowly slipping into mental illness. But both her & her boyfriend seem like super procrastinators. Dating for ten years, not engaged or married yet. I think she didn’t want to announce her pregnancy when her dear friend just had a hysterectomy. Then her friend was super sick again, then she died. From keeping her pregnancy hidden for so long she put it off yet again so not to ruin the trip. Time was up. Paul on the other hand was a bad bf for not visiting. I am glad she was able get mental health help. In my lifetime I have heard stories of hounderds of women who kept the pregnancy secret and as many reasons. Mostly out of fear that balls up ,round & round like a ball of yarn until it turns into fear induced phobia or mental illness of some sort.
You make a really good point about them being procrastinators. I really hadn’t thought about it from that angle, but it makes a ton of sense. He sounds like an awful boyfriend if he could leave her in that much pain in order to not waste a fun night out. Kinda sad and shows that there was a lack of love and respect already and it’s easy to understand why she would not want a baby with him. Especially after the loss of Allison, which clearly affected her. It’s very sad because that little baby was the true victim and her mother’s heart or father’s pride.
Thank you, I feel the same, and reading other comments, I felt like I was watching a different video. For whatever reason, Caroline didn't have enough support. She wasn't an evil woman, ready to murder her baby and go off sight seeing, she was a woman in mental distress, perhaps psychosis, being presented with an unbearable set of circumstances and resulting mental load (unplanned pregnancy, grief) that are significant for anyone, even in good mental health, to deal with, and she couldn't handle it all and had a mental break. There are plenty of stories of women who suffer greatly and harm their children and that are treated with empathy (Andrea Yates, Lindsay Clancy are two) and I see this story no differently. The concept of peripartum depression must not have existed in the 90s, it certainly does now.
@@trudilawrence9899 sorry , I must have missed that I went after er saying she didn’t want her boyfriend to know about the pregnancy & the fact they hadn’t married after a ten year relationship. To me that’s procrastination for a female . Postponing marriage for that long is strange.
Important to remember that procrastination is about fear. I’m sure there was underlying fear that was deeply subconscious, and then put immeasurable grief on top of that. Grief over the loss of a close friend can last for years, and it sounds like she went into denial about even being pregnant or how bad her grief was, and completely negated her own needs. The fact that she kept the baby to bring it home means she wanted or cared about the baby. Tragic story. She was not a threat to others. She needed help/therapy. Glad she eventually got it. Punishment is the lowest form of discipline/teaching. Her inability to care for herself, inability to recognize her own needs, inability to self-advocate, inability to take responsibility for herself, resulted in tragedy and loss of life. Hopefully she has managed to gain a life of hope and service to self and others.
I can’t imagine how much suffering that Carol went through over watching her friend suffer for that long and being given false hope for recovery. However, there are quite a few resources for people to use if they don’t want their pregnancies. She could have pursued an abortion, adopted her out, or even named baby after that friend as a way to honor her and keep her memory alive. There’s no excuse to do what she did unless she was in a psychotic state. Wow.
Ooooh, sounds very intriguing, now I'll have to watch before going to sleep. It's 2am, but for you sleep can wait. And thank you for always being so compassionate and kind to the victims. God bless.
Right after she gave birth, and baby was dead, she was laughing and making jokes . Obviously , now she was in a good mood she got rid of her problem .. That shows me that SHE WAS NOT SICK .
My Dearest Evil Intentions,This story is not only sad but heartbreaking....It reminds a little of Andrea Yates the woman who killed her children....I think that family members and husbands and or boyfriends should pay attention to their significant others and seek help if seeing any odd behaviors ... Something so little that is noticed on time could possibly save a childs life....Thank you for telling this story...Rest In Paradise,Baby Girl 🙏💯💔....
She says, "I did nothing wrong", what??? She suffocated her healthy 8lb newborn, then threw it in a plastic bag and carried it around her neck, then when caught just tossed it on the floor. No, none of that was wrong. I see her as baby killer. She knew exactly what she was doing. Looking at her all smiles and giddy in front of the cameras is nauseating. I guess in England murdering a baby is no bigger a crime than stomping on a spider. Disgusting.
Somone calculated and evil wouldn't walk around with dead baby in airport trying to fly out. Mental health exists and people need to understand mistreating mentally ill people and throwing them in jail won't fix it.
Whaaat?!? So, in order to overcome your grief you kill a baby? I have lost both my parents, and a brother who slowly died of cancer, but never imagine to take another creature's life to "cope" with it, not even a fly's.
I watch a lot of true crime, but the stories you cover are almost always ones I’ve never heard of. You’re doing amazing work getting these stories out there for the families left behind!!! Thanks for all you do!
I've been subbed for several months already, but I just wanted to say thank u. I can hear compassion & empathy just thru your voice. Thank u for making these videos...and an even bigger thank u for not letting victims, like this sweet babygirl, be forgotten!! Sending u lots of love ~From TN ❤❤❤
I know it sounds macabre to say I can hardly wait for your videos. But although I ‘love’ watching them, it’s so heartbreaking that videos like these have to be made.
I can’t even imagine so I will just say this you’re one of the best creators on this app and you just keep getting better. I appreciate the effort you put into the memories of the victims of these horrible events and the dignity you give to them is why you are the best
Sounds like how she was raised factored in to a lot of this. Parents piled blame on her fiance and the US justice system. Neither she nor her parents ever thought a moment about the baby - they just shielded her daughter from any accountability. That woman is free, living her life and learned nothing. RIP Olivia.
I thought I knew every known story related to crime (literally) until I found your channel! I can’t tell you how nice it is to hear a new story every time I watch your videos. Thank you for being original & an amazing story teller!
The LAST thing I want to hear from the UK is a criticism of our justice system when they knowingly covered up the Muslim grooming gangs in Rotherham and Telford for FIFTY YEARS.
I hv to say: its awfully fucked up how ppl all over live their lives just fine knowing how inconsistany, corrupt, and unjust the judicial system is, right up until one of they OWN is locked up. Only THEN is the justice system and jails/prisons in general considered "barbaric and archaic ".
As somebody from Northern Ireland what the judge said, despite being true, tells me volumes about which side of things he would have been on. He’s the sort that, being Irish American, likely funded the IRAs bombing campaign in the UK and Ireland. A lot of Irish Americans have blood in their hands in a country most of them have never even been to.
Good job reporting the facts of this case. I did find myself torn, but as a mother, who also went through extreme mental health issues and suffered intense domestic abuse during my pregnancies, I could NEVER harm my child! I would, in fact, protect them with extreme ferocity. My daughter was born Sept 8, 1994, so much of this hit home with me. I do commend you, sir, for your ability to look at both sides of this sad, sad case and present it without bias. Great job! Thank you.
My husband knows everything about me. I can’t even hide a sore knee from him. ❤ He’s the greatest most intuitive husband anyone could ever dream of having. I can’t help but see this woman as having no support for her to do this.
I'm going to be that person. I find it interesting that mental illness always seems to be factored in when "certain" people commit crimes. Yet, I rarely hear mental illness being brought up when not "certain" people commit crimes, and I've listened to a lot of cases. The fact that the case turned into a pissing contest between dad (UK) and his black sheep son (US) and less about poor innocent Avie is sickening. The fact that this woman was photographed smiling like a Cheshire Cat when she got back to jolly ole England is sickening. Everything about this is sickening. As always, great storytelling. Rest in peace, baby girl Avie!🕊🌹
Does that include the certain people getting away with grooming and abusing young girls in the UK or the certain people flooding our country with drugs or the certain people who kill their child, drive the body to a friends garden to bury it and then only recieve 6 years in prison for it... I tell you tho, all those "certain" people don't need to worry about sunscreen...
Appreciate what you do, attention to detail, interesting case choices, and fluid storytelling make your channel stand out! Thank you for the time you invest! Big fan
That baby would've been 30 yrs old now. My daughter was born in 1994. We adopted her, receiving her when she was 5 days old. I think of her when I hear these stories. My daughter's birth mom hid her pregnancy but loved her enough to give her life. Her mother helped her find parents for the baby. Today, I'm a mom & a grandma. It's awesome. This poor family.
@discobikerAndRosie I love hearing adoption stories, all of them. I gave my baby up for adoption in 1975 - not because I didn't want him, but because I loved him enough to give him the life I never had (Mom and Dad, a home, a family), but giving him up almost killed me. I drowned my pain in drugs and alcohol, until I decided he wasn't going to see a tombstone when he went to meet his birth Mother. We're very close today, he'll be 50, and (just like God promises/tenfold blessings) - today I'm a Grandma to two, have two Daughter In Laws (along with their families), and I'm a Great Grandma of 5. God gave me back tenfold. Best choice I ever made. Thank you for sharing your story.
Evil Intention - I'm new to your channel, I like your narration, presentation, and that you answered questions about this tragedy. Thank you, I liked and subscribed. (I'm usually not this breathy🙄) One thing I noticed is that the visuals seem to go by so fast, they didn't have time to register... I think it would enhance your video if they went by a hair slower (they flipped by like the old time cartoon calendar pages 😁) My best.
@ColleenLytle-sq8tx God bless you. The Lord knew you loved your child & He watched over you during the hard times. My daughter knows her birth mom & immediate family. I insisted on an open adoption. I wanted my baby to know where she came from. I'm so glad you have a big family now! TY for sharing your story! I know giving your son to someone else was very tough!
My brother was born in July of 94, but he was 10 weeks early, and he would have possibly been born closer to September if he was on time.
My daughter just turned 30 a couple weeks ago
Oliva Anne 😢
I couldn't imagine being one of the airport staff involved that day. It's so sweet that they set up a memorial for the baby girl.
Yes, that was quite heartwarming considering the circumstances.
I was a teacher in the Bronx in the 90’s and remember talking with my colleagues in the teachers lounge about this crazy story. Thanks for this channel. You have kept alive NYC stories that should not be forgotten.
She should have been put in mental
Hospital.
Rykers Island. Is that the only prison in NY.
Why didn't she get mental❤health treatment❤❤. ❤❤❤❤Sad story overall.❤ ❤The pain of delivering a baby in a tub must of been horrendous.❤❤
I cannot believe this went to ❤trial❤. What she did is a result of her mental intability.
Glad she went back to London. Her poor family lost all their retirement. Clearly she had some kind of mental breakdown.
I have no opinion...too complicated.
Where is Caroline today?
Did u know jho back then ?? U know cause she’s from the Bronx 😂
I am 61 and have never commented on any story before but feel due to two experiences in my life I need to share.i had a young babysitter 17 who cocealed her pregnancy luckily she had the baby and all turned out well in the end but just giving birth on your own is so dangerous and traumatic when I talked to her after she said she was scared and ashamed she thought she had let her parents down by getting pregnant ,another' close friend of mine concealed her pregnancy and the first her whole family where aware was the day she gave birth.both these cases are obviously different to this case because both babies are fine healthy adults now,but I know these girls where very traumatised to coceal the birth.i feel this young woman was hugely mentally unstable and the fact she held on to her baby in the way she did proves it let's face it she could have dropped her bay just about anywhere before going to airport and leaving the country and nobody would have even known but she held on to it I don't believe for a minute any of this was planned action she was completely mentally unwell these things are far from black and white unfortunately ❤
You have a really calm easy to listen to voice..No stupid music, straight to the point something I appreciate.
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Exactly,and no cheesy stock photos
There IS "music" in the background! I hate that. Maybe it stops, I'm only a few minutes in.
100% Straight to the point no BS! Great Story Teller just found you yesterday, thank you❤
Its so monotone...hé could've easily use AI
A good researcher too.
Your channel is refreshing because every case you cover is a case I've never heard of.
I feel you on that. Every single one is one I haven’t seen. When Jose drops a video, I zoom through everything I planned to complete. I shower, pop some popcorn for the hubby, and pour a glass of wine for me. Hubby’s so funny. He sits up in the bed and stares at me. He’s like yum, popcorn 🍿and wine?🍷 then belts out and another one. Then air beats the drums, lol.🥁
So I say, ha-ha, DJ Khalid. He says to me Jose dropped another video, huh? I'm not paying attention or thinking about what he’s yapping about because I’m trying to get comfy in bed to watch the video. So I say, unhuh! He starts dfl so hard and loud. I’m like, babe! Jeez, Louise, be quiet before you wake up the baby. He looks at me and says, you don’t get it? At this point, I’m a little annoyed and say, between shown teeth, get what, babeee?🤷🏾 Lmao! He looks at me with this look, talking about when I said and another one. You got it because you called me DJ Khalid. At that moment, it hit me that he said and another one and beat the invisible drum, lmao, because he was trying to be DJ Khalid. Hahahaha!😂😂🤣🤣 to make me laugh.😆😆
My husband:😐😒
I had to tell this story because my husband is so funny to me and adorable. Let’s just say I had the best laugh before watching the tragedy of little Olivia Ann’s murder. R.I.P. Baby Olivia.❤❤
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A stiff letter from the Chancellor. Oh my, that would indeed have an American Judge trembling in fear. 😏
Agree much more detailed and informative than Dateline NBC
Sounds like she never took accountability. Had it been the fiancé who suffocated the newborn, her parents would’ve crucified him.
I had to read the title again when the notification popped up…😳 Jesus Christ this one left me speechless
Same my god!
Truly! I just clicked to see if this was a typo.... wearing a baby around ya neck?!?! WTH
Me too
Right, I did a double take myself
Me and all 😢
Her state of mind and fear is not easily understood when you are functioning normally and it’s easy to be horrified as we should. I myself have suffered severe depression that nearly killed me. The mind goes to strange places and her hearing and believing things that weren’t true can happen. A very tragic event all round.
I totally agree. Pregnancy hormones are not a joke. Add in the grief and shame, yikes.
I always hate when these cases pop up on true crime channels, there is very little compassion in the comments section. It's so clearly a mental health phenomenon.
This comment, a million times.
Her need to cover it at the beginning for her dying friends sake sets the tone for this tragic story. Everything that comes after is traumas ,grief, What sound like perinatal depression and dissociation. Extreme,yes ,absolutely, but very obvious after having the facts. I feel for the baby that never got a chance....I feel even more for the woman who suffered through all this alone too though. Tragic for all involved.
I agree, the things that lined up in Caroline’s life were truly heartbreaking, none of us know how this would have affected us.The poor baby payed the terrible price of her Mothers mental illness. I think that if she had just been a cold, callous murderer, she could have left the baby anywhere and no one would ever have known. A terrible situation for all concerned….the baby should be alive today, if only someone had noticed the events playing out.
She carried the baby full term. 9 months. She didn't tell anyone she Was pregnant. 9 months. U can call it mental illness all you like, you're just not apt to face reality. All of you, "a million" times.
Rest in peace sweet baby girl.
I'm so sorry
Wait and she got her job back working for The Department of Health??! Whewww she got off but thanks to your channel Olivia Ann lives on. Its not lost on me that Olivia Ann would’ve been almost in her 30’s.
Unfortunately the UK is a sewer
Maybe her experience made her especially suited for that post. Maybe she wants to „repent“ and give to society and to children in need BECAUSE of her past? 🥺
@LittleKikuyu I sincerely doubt that.
Her parents blame everyone, but the one person there is to blame.
"Wore deceased baby around her neck" WHAT? what am I about to watch? Regardless, thank you for the upload, I just... I don't know if my mental health is ready to watch this.
Same here
Thank God I haven't eaten yet
Same, I might just have to stop when it starts getting to that point.
My curiosity beats my will to not go into the dark hole that is the video
I think I’m going have to take a pass on this. My soul is crushed watching how many children are starving and being murdered around the world in the name of god every day. I don’t need to go back into the past to hear another horror story.
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I agree. Too little "real". Just horrible people out there and too much Sensationalization of these crimes. God help us all. Things like this will go on and on .
This was my face once you got to the part about her giving birth in the bathtub 😳😳😳😳. Wow!!
As a woman who has suffered several miscarriages, I'll never understand how people can carry a baby, give birth, then kill it. That is absolutely disgusting.
It's demonic
Same. Sending you ❤
Same.
I hope you all are against abortion then.
@@maevependragon thanks Hun 💗💗
You are one of the best creators around, Jose! Keep up the great work, and thank you for bringing light to these cases.
Thank you so much!
I am surprised he does not have more subscribers. This is one of the best channels.
I subbed as soon as I heard His voice! Very well spoken & the story is professionally edited! I'm very impressed with this channel!👍🙏🇨🇦😎❤️
Agreed!
@@EvilIntentions Something Akin To This ALMOST Happened To Me When I Was Born NO Really it Did If We Somehow Meet I'll Tell Ya How It Happened
She killed her baby planned her fate and used her dead friend as an scape goat while hiding the pregnancy and making sure Paul was out when she made her move. She knew she was in labor. The fact that she got her job back as a child advocate is appalling
*scapegoat
What she was working with children. Unbelievable
@@cleanserene6330 my typo is all you got from my comment..smfh ez fix perfect typist
@@cristinaontivero1278 yes she was
But why though? Because what I was thinking was she considered the baby as punishment and she looked at her best friend dying as the same. But instead of honoring her friend she….well yk
She could've honored her friend by naming the baby after her friend instead she killed the baby
Exactly !
I was thinking the very same thing, although telling her best friend that she was pregnant while her friend was having any chance at having one taken away from her, and eventually her entire life, would have been rough. She may have thought that getting pregnant at that time was a way the universe was punishing her even more so than just her best friend dieing
IMO her friend had nothing to do with what she did...her kiIIing her child was out of pure selfishness! Her parents treated her like a little girl...maybe in her mind she wouldn't have gotten the attention she wanted from both her parents and her bf if there was another person taking that limelight! Just my opinion.
@dansweda712 I understand, but I honestly believe she used her friend as an excuse. That could've been a beautiful thing they could've shared together during her last days. It may have even given her a new burst of life thinking about the little person who will be taking her place. She didn't even allow the father her boyfriend to try to help her figure it out. She assumed it would've taken the shine away from her friend, but honestly, I think that baby would've brought everyone closer . She never called for help she didn't even tell him .she took his chance of being her father away because she was selfish. Even though it was stated by him, they did speak of wanting children . She was just pure evil.
@@kaleahcollins4567 yeah, I was just trying to understand what was going through her mind, to make the kind of decisions that she had made, I'm thinking they could have been more than just friends, but what was certain was that she did have an unnatural dependency on her friend, because I believe every decision she made was with her friend in mind, no matter how twisted
How someone can kill their own child I will never understand.
You said it correctly, This child should have never lost her life!!!
God rest your soul 🙏 Olivia Anne..
😮 People having been killing their children since the beginning of time.
@@denisemoore6134 Gross response
@@Trouble_Bubble36 Why? This happens often all over the world. It is gross that it happens, yes.
I don't think this was deliberate.
Caroline was incredibly mentally ill. It's wild that a bunch of people here are acting like she's just a cold hearted murderer. The US carceral system rots our brains, I swear.
Yikes… I had to read the title 3 times to make sure I read that correctly….welp here we go! Ty for covering this.
You are absolutely right, Jose, Olivia Ann did NOT have to die! Had the mum had the support required, the baby would now be a grown woman. I live in Great Britain, I am formerly from NYC. I have worked with women with pre and post natal depression and those with post natal psychosis. Out here we have what’s called ‘mother and baby units’ for mums who have mental ill health. We do not believe in separating mums from their babies as it is very important that they bond. Obviously IF the baby will suffer from significant harm at the hands of the mum, then of course they will not place the baby in that harm. This is a tragic story and the way you reported it respected everyone involved.
Very tragic. How can anyone do this to a baby. RIP Olivia Ann. Thank you for telling the story
Millions of babies are aborted each year and you're asking that question?
You don't understand, it's as simple as that.
@KMF3 there is always a reason as to why people do what they do
@@phoenixjnyc yes absolutely. There is always a reason.
Postpartum depression
I’m 42 years old born and raised in the LOWER EAST SIDE and I’ve never heard of this story before 😢wow crazy just when you think you Heard everything 💔🙏🏼 I lived a 1 block away from the man who killed that woman and served her as soup in Tompkins Square Park my neighborhood always been bad It’s actually called ALPHABET CITY and was known for drugs crime and the burnt out buildings in the 80s
I´m sure NYC has even crazier stories than this.
I cried God bless the airport staff for setting up a memorial, and bringing flowers to mark the life and death of the dead baby.
I remember this story as a New Yorker no one had sympathy for her. Her parents had no sympathy for the baby, It was as though the child life did not matter. You are doing a very good job telling about these New York true crimes calmly.
She was in full blown psychosis. She was out of her mind.
Yes, I believe so, but I am NOT condoning her actions. Why else would she take her deceased baby with her to the airport, thus uncovering the terrible truth? How come nobody heard the baby cry after she was born if she was alive? Guilty people do their best to cover up their crimes and cover their tracks. Caroline did not discard her baby, which she could easily have done without detection. Nevertheless, this is a terrible case, poor baby Olivia and my heart goes out to her Dad Paul.
I totally agree with you, I came on to comment that none of us knows how we would react in those circumstances.I came on to comment saying something along those lines but reading most comments people are sadly lacking in compassion RIP baby girl
She needed help. So awful that nobody noticed her pregnancy or urged her to see a psychologist for depression. She seems to have been absorbed into her boyfriend's family but didn't she have any family of her own? Nobody she could confide in? That's tragic, if so. But yes, she was clearly in shock while delivering that poor baby alone in a hotel room in a strange city and unfamiliar country. Out of her mind, indeed. Not a cold blooded murderer, in my opinion, but a frightened, physically compromised young woman who had nobody she could trust to help her. Just so terribly sad. Hiding the corpse under her clothes is weird, definitely, and it makes no rational sense unless you consider that she might have wanted to keep the baby close to her for emotional comfort. To bring her home for a proper burial, maybe. Impossible to know what was going on in her tortured mind.
Agreed… She had been very ill for a long time. Her friend’s illness, subsequent death, and guilt surrounding her pregnancy was too much for her to mentally handle. She tried to cope through denial and dissociation, and the pregnancy hormones just tipped her into psychosis. It’s very sad that her family didn’t notice or care about her declining mental health and get her help.
Absolutely. The lack of empathy or understanding in these comments is disgusting.
I can understand hiding her pregnancy from her dying friend, as her friend wanted children and all. I just can’t understand hiding it from Paul. You’d think she would name her baby after her friend, and it would be a new start. But people don’t always do things that make sense 🤷♀️
Yes! Once her friend passed, why didnt she tell him? She deserved way more than 8 months in jail.
Exactly, makes one wonder who the dad actually was. Why not tell Paul
It sounds like she had a complete mental break. As someone above said, pregnancy hormones are not a joke. The fact that she went to the airport with the deceased baby demonstrates she wasn't in her right mind. I can state this and still feel sorry for the baby.
Note Paul’s not claiming the baby’s body, dropping her like a rock when she was truly suffering mentally……what a joke of a man.
Paul didn't claim the baby after he found out and called himself not romantic, he seems like an emotionally unavailable boyfriend. I understand why she wouldn't feel comfortable telling him.
She literally got away with murder. The only victim here is the poor baby girl R. I. P. Baby girl.
The same baby's father that didn't bother to claim her and take her back home and honor her with even a proper burial in his name? No, thank you
@@tipennya oh wow I somehow missed that bit.
While I sympathize with Caroline and her grief from the passing of her friend, Alison, Caroline still committed a heinous act and should’ve been punished accordingly. Honestly, she got away with murder. RIP Olivia Ann 🕊️
Awesome that you speak up for the voiceless children.
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I… speechless.
SHE TOOK THE DEAD BABY TO THE AIRPORT!?
Imagine being the person who discovered a 9mo old dead baby in a bag. MY GOD
Not 9 months old sweetheart.. probably miss-spelt, hours old.
The airport? She had the baby strapped to her neck while they were sight seeing
@@poisonivyheart6621 I think she meant, full-term baby.
* A *murdered* baby!
Huh? You are wrong. It was a newborn baby, only a few HOURS old.
I remember this. When she came home to the UK a lot of people thought she should have stayed in the US to rot
We didn't want her
Lots of red flags long before the trip to New York. Anyone suffering from depression should be taken seriously, and if they aren't capable of helping themselves, then those around them, their friends should intervene and encourage her to get help, and if not going to their Dr to get help.
You are absolutely correct.
It's so easy to say that. You can't force someone to get help especially when you offer it and they move away from it.
@@lizar7623I understand what you are saying. I had a friend commit suicide and if I had been more switched on maybe I could have prevented it, this person showed all the signs of depression and I was too wrapped up in my own world to notice. I would like to think if I was in the same situation again I would recognise the signs and be more pro-active.
But it was a different world back then. Depression was considered selfindulgent and being lazy. The tide was only just starting to turn with mental health. It wasn't all flags n banners as it is now. I was 27 in 1994. I've suffered depression since puberty. People were still very much "pull yourself together" & "stop feeling sorry for yourself" my own gp told me to "get out there n stop thinking about yourself so much" just 2yrs after losing my daughter to cotdeath.
@@lizar7623She was pregnant and nobody noticed, it seems many people around her were unavailable and not paying enough attention to even offer help. I think that's why she felt guilty sharing her pregnancy and grief. Emotionally unavailable people are very common.
Everyone was so consumed with Caroline and how she was feeling and her "mental" state. And yet the baby (Olivia Ann) is barely a footnote in the story of "poor" Caroline. That sweet precious child will never experience any first. No loving touch, no warm feelings of family connections, no taste of ice cream or the sights and feels of a first snowfall, nothing. Rip sweet Olivia Ann 😢❤
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Olivia Ann is in paradise where no baby girl is harmed away from this cruel world, playing with all the other children, in the care of Jesus. She wasn’t meant for this evil place!
Caroline is a living woman with a serious mental illness
She did the wrong thing, but was mentally and emotionally unwell. I don’t think she was legally insane, she was clearly not able to have proper judgment. If she were just evil, she’d have disposed of the baby in New York, like in a dumpster or in the sewer. She would not have tried to smuggle her on a plane to London! She should do some time in prison while receiving counseling. After release, she needed on-going counseling and supervision.
Lol yall love seeing that mentally insane crap for everything! She knew exactly wtf she was doing!
I agree. No one knew. She could of disposed of the baby's body and it would of never been connected to her because she would of been back in the UK. Clearly she was mentally ill and had convinced herself that the baby was stillborn. Sounds like she believed that prior to the baby being born. It's a terrible situation regardless, but I don't thinking putting her away for life would of been the right choice.
Papi, you are one of my favorite story tellers. Gracias
Wish I could go on with this video. Sorry, I lost my first child, 47 years ago, coming up on the 22nd of this month. The pain never goes away.
Trust me, I understand. Sorry for your loss.
@@EvilIntentions Thank you and God bless you.
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She was and still is in the health care field. How could she not know her baby girl was alive? I wonder what else was she hiding, was the baby her fiancé’s? Thanks for honoring the memory of a little girl, that didn’t get a chance to live.
Thank you for knowing how to narrate and pronounce things properly. Its very refreshing to listen to someone with a steady tone who approches the subjects in their videos with respect. I appreciate your work
Pronounce things properly? I nearly went mad with his bad pronunciation of Leyton, over and over and over:(
Your story telling is so methodic, and well put together. I love the history you give in your videos. Thank you for your awareness of the families.
He keeps the story flowing and has a nice voice, very soothing. I like that he’s not all over the place! 😊
She deserves no sympathy or kindness. What she did was unforgivable. She didn't call an ambulance, seek help, or take steps to help the kid.
She had Perinatal depression and a very serious case of it , we are all pretty familiar with PND but not so with Perinatal depression, which in serious cases are a considered a very high risk to the baby . I have worked with women with both and it would likely surprise you to now that there are cases of women with PND who believe that their very alive 3 month old is dead ! We should not judge, these cases are completely different from women who starve and torture their kids or pass them around to be abused. Mental illness would still have been so stigmatised in 1990’s in the U.K they were only beginning to understand PND never mind Perinatal depression? Because it’s invisible doesn’t mean it’s not happening to someone!
easy now...this woman was very ill ...remember to walk in another's shoes
You're a stupd fk, u don't know what you're talking abt, stfu
Yes she does! She was psychotic!!! Poor girl. Poor baby
@@firefly88887The UK has free Healthcare she could have gone she is just evil.
👏👏👏😊👍...yes yes thank u again for sharing with us. We appreciate all the time,effort, an hard work u put into these videos. Sincere prayers to this family.😔🙏🙏...♥️
Poor Caroline the 90s weren’t exactly mental health friendly and she was clearly in a bad way. My heartbreaks for everyone in this story.
My jaw is currently on the floor, hold on...I can only imagine her mental state while all this was happening.
What a miraculous recovery! Nothing like killing your baby and being on trial for murder to bring you out of a depression.
She had no idea the Baby was born alive? Please she cleaned the Bathroom then hid the Baby. She planned it.,
If she planned it, she could have gone on to the street, thrown it in the trash, and gone home.
@@LoloO42 Good Point. However, she went to great lengths to conceal.
@@LoloO42 lol yeah then she knew that the baby would come back on her if she was to do that. Plus she could’ve let them know the baby died and still took the baby back smh y’all would give everybody a pass
She was in full blown psychosis
Babies don’t always cry at birth.
This story brought back an old memory.. I had an unexpected miscarriage at a young age. I was hysterical and afraid to tell my family. I bled for a few days. I'm thankful I'm still alive. But this story... she knew she was pregnant... full term.. my goodness..
The baby had been breathing for AT LEAST 15 minutes! And then smothered! Unbelievable evil!
Excellent delivery, and style. With a powerful storytelling. This is a wild connection between 2 great cities. Im from NYC, and I remember this crazy ass story.
HES ONE OF THE BEST PODCAST STORY TELLER EVER I LOVE HIS CALMING VOICE
She shouldn't have been let free. She murdered her innocent baby!
"I just switch it off... " shows her cold-hearted character. She also shouldn't be allowed to work in the health system!!!!
I feel so sorry for Paul. 😢
Yeah, her parents had some nerve blaming Paul (and blaming the US justice system)!
As you are obviously such 'God-fearing' People, just pray fervently to your God that none of your loved ones ever suffer from psychosis. She obviously was suffering from pre- and post-partum psychosis. In layman's terms, she was stone-cold crazy. Whereas you accusers are just stone cold. May God forgive you too.
Hands down you're my favorite person to watch for true crime out of NYC thank you for all you're dedication and hard work ❤️🙏🏻
New Subscriber here. I remember this case. The way this content was put together, how it was told an narrated is excellent. Impactful would be an understatement.
I truly appreciate that!
Wow. I wasn't expecting this to have a link to my neck of the woods (London; great job btw, Jose, on the details of Leytonstone 💜👍) - but I suspect that in her deep depression and grief, Caroline actually thought she was "carrying" a surrogate dead ghost baby for her friend (hence not feeling connected to her baby, Olivia, and not telling her partner and Mum that she was pregnant - and trying to bring the body back to the UK to probably bury with her friend 👀 😢).
Psychologically, all of that sleeping - 11/12 hours at a time - spells deep depression.
That poor, poor little baby 😢 R.I.P babygirl 💜 💐
I know a woman who sleeps 14hrs a day.She is not suffering from depression.
@@dianabeurman364 fascinating
@@dianabeurman364could be due to fatigue related to a medical issue. 14 hours of sleep daily is not normal and your friend should consult a doctor.
She gave birth while in the bathtub. She left the baby floating in the water. She probably drowned. Either way she is responsible for her death and she got off lightly.
I love how Jose tells a story. Cool factoids you don’t expect. I still learn a lot of things while watching these unfortunate crime stories.
Thank you for that!
I remember this story. She was clearly mentally unwell.
So distraught about a dead friend.... instead of celebrating a new life.
I can understand her circumstances somewhat. She didn’t want to upset her friend but after the friend passed, she still continued to hide the pregnancy. Why? And why didn’t she notify SOMEONE if she allegedly believed the baby was deceased? I just don’t get leaving the baby in a tub, not checking to see if she was alive, before putting the baby in a garbage bag. THEN bringing the body to the airport?? 🥴 she got a slap on the wrist, no lie.
We only have the word of a sadly disturbed woman about what happened while she gave birth. This content creator gave her no quarter, and painted it against her, just like the American justice system.
Post-natal and peri-natal depression and psychosis are no joke. Symptoms can onset rapidly after the hormonal ordeal of giving birth.
I'm genuinely convinced she had a severe form of depression and was in a state of shock/psychosis. Does that mean it's ok-no but mental illness is unreal. I used to think a lot of untrue things about mental illness. I saw my sister, after a traumatic event kinda just become a shell of herself. It started affecting her mothering. I used to say "it doesn't matter I've been depressed and id NEVER allow it to affect my ways of mothering etc". Until I had emergency surgery almost died, my mother died, I got a cancer diagnosis, had several surgeries, my father died, and my relationship became abusive, all in a 3 year time span. My God I don't even know how I was functioning. While my son was with his dad I "took a week to myself" next thing I knew it had been 6 months and I had no idea how time flew. I had emotionally abandoned my son and did irreparable damage. I became the thing I never understood. I finally snapped out of it and am getting help and slowly repairing my relationship with my son. But honestly I think she mentally avoided the fact she was pregnant. Like extreme denial. Then when she had it it immediately put her in an overwhelmed state and panic. She wasn't calculating anything at that point she was just in autopilot survival mode.
Hormones are fucking crazy.
Thank you so much Mr. Ortiz for giving voices to the ones who can't speak anymore. I remember hearing about this case in the 90s. Extremely disturbing indeed. And to think this woman is now free is disgusting. RIP to the baby. The baby didn’t deserve this. The baby will not be forgotten. You are a class act Mr. Ortiz. You was still able to show care, compassion, and love for the victims you always do!! Much respect!!
I truly appreciate the care and respect you show, not only the victims of these heinous crimes, but your audience as well. You keep an eye on your viewers mental health, and that means a lot in this day and age.
Thank you again for telling these stories and giving these people a voice from beyond.
I hope YOUR mental health is as good as possible, given the terrible things you have to research regularly. Thank you again.
I’ve delivered 3 babies (1 with no pain control, 2 with epidural wearing off). I can’t even begin to imagine going on a trip around the city and taking a flight overseas after giving birth alone in a bathtub. God, I was in so much pain…I absolutely can’t imagine.
@@TheDutchessOfCornvilleMillions have given birth!
I'm an Irish lady who was adopted in 1974 from a 15 yr old with mother and I had my first son in 1995 unmarried and the laundries were still open in Ireland until 1997 when I had my 2nd son. I had a great life and went on to have 5 beautiful sons and tg my birth mother gave me life and then to have a great life with my parents ❤
Dear lord this one was rough.... I lost my mother to cancer when I was in my mid twenties my baby brother was 19 . We watched her suffer for 3 years the last year of my mother's life was misery for her no matter how hard she tried to put on a good face for us kids, we knew her suffering was unbearable.. when she passed it killed my siblings and I . Our mother was our not only our world but she was the light for the entire family. After her death it seemed the entire family abandoned us because we reminded them of her which reminded them of the pain left in her presence... it by far was the worst most painful time in my life... it took years for me to come out of the grief .... the birth of my son is what saved me TRULY ... I'll never understand her actions !!! NEVER
I can relate to your story I cared for my mum for 7years I woke to do her breakfast Tina make me a cup of tea ,I did held it to her mouth , then she had a heart attack gone in a flash , I screamed to house down I went into shock . My hair fell out soon after , I’m so sorry for your pain love no one understands but you will , how much hurt ,memories pain loss
I'm so sorry for what you went thru and I hope your doing much better today 🙏
@@tinacollins9213so sorry for you too and same to you in I hope your doing much better today 🙏
I think this woman was slowly slipping into mental illness. But both her & her boyfriend seem like super procrastinators. Dating for ten years, not engaged or married yet. I think she didn’t want to announce her pregnancy when her dear friend just had a hysterectomy. Then her friend was super sick again, then she died. From keeping her pregnancy hidden for so long she put it off yet again so not to ruin the trip. Time was up. Paul on the other hand was a bad bf for not visiting. I am glad she was able get mental health help.
In my lifetime I have heard stories of hounderds of women who kept the pregnancy secret and as many reasons. Mostly out of fear that balls up ,round & round like a ball of yarn until it turns into fear induced phobia or mental illness of some sort.
You make a really good point about them being procrastinators. I really hadn’t thought about it from that angle, but it makes a ton of sense. He sounds like an awful boyfriend if he could leave her in that much pain in order to not waste a fun night out. Kinda sad and shows that there was a lack of love and respect already and it’s easy to understand why she would not want a baby with him. Especially after the loss of Allison, which clearly affected her. It’s very sad because that little baby was the true victim and her mother’s heart or father’s pride.
Thank you, I feel the same, and reading other comments, I felt like I was watching a different video. For whatever reason, Caroline didn't have enough support. She wasn't an evil woman, ready to murder her baby and go off sight seeing, she was a woman in mental distress, perhaps psychosis, being presented with an unbearable set of circumstances and resulting mental load (unplanned pregnancy, grief) that are significant for anyone, even in good mental health, to deal with, and she couldn't handle it all and had a mental break. There are plenty of stories of women who suffer greatly and harm their children and that are treated with empathy (Andrea Yates, Lindsay Clancy are two) and I see this story no differently. The concept of peripartum depression must not have existed in the 90s, it certainly does now.
They were engaged. He said they got engaged after a year of living together.
@@trudilawrence9899 sorry , I must have missed that I went after er saying she didn’t want her boyfriend to know about the pregnancy & the fact they hadn’t married after a ten year relationship. To me that’s procrastination for a female . Postponing marriage for that long is strange.
Important to remember that procrastination is about fear. I’m sure there was underlying fear that was deeply subconscious, and then put immeasurable grief on top of that. Grief over the loss of a close friend can last for years, and it sounds like she went into denial about even being pregnant or how bad her grief was, and completely negated her own needs. The fact that she kept the baby to bring it home means she wanted or cared about the baby. Tragic story. She was not a threat to others. She needed help/therapy. Glad she eventually got it. Punishment is the lowest form of discipline/teaching. Her inability to care for herself, inability to recognize her own needs, inability to self-advocate, inability to take responsibility for herself, resulted in tragedy and loss of life. Hopefully she has managed to gain a life of hope and service to self and others.
I can’t imagine how much suffering that Carol went through over watching her friend suffer for that long and being given false hope for recovery.
However, there are quite a few resources for people to use if they don’t want their pregnancies. She could have pursued an abortion, adopted her out, or even named baby after that friend as a way to honor her and keep her memory alive. There’s no excuse to do what she did unless she was in a psychotic state. Wow.
Ooooh, sounds very intriguing, now I'll have to watch before going to sleep. It's 2am, but for you sleep can wait. And thank you for always being so compassionate and kind to the victims. God bless.
Where are you from?? Im on the East Coast of the US and it's currently 9:08 pm here
Ooooh, sounds intriguing? You make it sound like it's a love story! Are you nuts!
@@Bloxsor only saw your message now, I'm from South Africa.
@@KittynFranky7643 oh, ok
Mental illness does not excuse horrid acts. You gotta be held accountable.
Right after she gave birth, and baby was dead, she was laughing and making jokes .
Obviously , now she was in a good mood she got rid of her problem ..
That shows me that SHE WAS NOT SICK .
She should of called 911 for help. She is guilty.
My Dearest Evil Intentions,This story is not only sad but heartbreaking....It reminds a little of Andrea Yates the woman who killed her children....I think that family members and husbands and or boyfriends should pay attention to their significant others and seek help if seeing any odd behaviors ... Something so little that is noticed on time could possibly save a childs life....Thank you for telling this story...Rest In Paradise,Baby Girl 🙏💯💔....
She says, "I did nothing wrong", what??? She suffocated her healthy 8lb newborn, then threw it in a plastic bag and carried it around her neck, then when caught just tossed it on the floor. No, none of that was wrong. I see her as baby killer. She knew exactly what she was doing. Looking at her all smiles and giddy in front of the cameras is nauseating. I guess in England murdering a baby is no bigger a crime than stomping on a spider. Disgusting.
He said the same about the U.S. and I agree: we've lost respect as a society for human life, even that of babies.
Somone calculated and evil wouldn't walk around with dead baby in airport trying to fly out. Mental health exists and people need to understand mistreating mentally ill people and throwing them in jail won't fix it.
She honestly didnt do anything wrong. Grief is a strong emotion, especially of youre connected to your best friend whos dying, and wanted children.
Whaaat?!? So, in order to overcome your grief you kill a baby? I have lost both my parents, and a brother who slowly died of cancer, but never imagine to take another creature's life to "cope" with it, not even a fly's.
@kati-ana You "guess" wrong. Silly thing to say.
It’s 2:00 am here in U.K. and way past my bedtime but I’ll DEFINITELY be circling back after I’ve slept. The title is bizarre!
I watch a lot of true crime, but the stories you cover are almost always ones I’ve never heard of. You’re doing amazing work getting these stories out there for the families left behind!!! Thanks for all you do!
I've been subbed for several months already, but I just wanted to say thank u. I can hear compassion & empathy just thru your voice. Thank u for making these videos...and an even bigger thank u for not letting victims, like this sweet babygirl, be forgotten!! Sending u lots of love ~From TN ❤❤❤
Evidently, the baby wasn’t the BFs, that’s why she hid the pregnancy and didn’t want him to know.
Wow!! 🤯🤯 Thank you for this you did a hell of job telling this story...
Thank you so much!
Hiding the baby shows proof she knew she was wrong.
Exactly. Ppl with mental health have noooo sense of awareness
As always your stories are hard to listen to but you tell them very gently and with so much respect, thank you❤
Its hard to sympathize with Carline when her parents point fingers at everyone but her.
I know it sounds macabre to say I can hardly wait for your videos. But although I ‘love’ watching them, it’s so heartbreaking that videos like these have to be made.
I can’t even imagine so I will just say this you’re one of the best creators on this app and you just keep getting better. I appreciate the effort you put into the memories of the victims of these horrible events and the dignity you give to them is why you are the best
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Sounds like how she was raised factored in to a lot of this. Parents piled blame on her fiance and the US justice system. Neither she nor her parents ever thought a moment about the baby - they just shielded her daughter from any accountability. That woman is free, living her life and learned nothing. RIP Olivia.
What a heartbreaking story! Thank you for bringing it to us. 🙏⚘️
You did an amazing job of preserving Olivia Ann's memory. Thank you for telling her story.
I thought I knew every known story related to crime (literally) until I found your channel! I can’t tell you how nice it is to hear a new story every time I watch your videos. Thank you for being original & an amazing story teller!
Very soothing voice, it's nice to listen to these stories and drift off to sleep....and listen to what I missed in the morning 😅
The LAST thing I want to hear from the UK is a criticism of our justice system when they knowingly covered up the Muslim grooming gangs in Rotherham and Telford for FIFTY YEARS.
Good for that judge speaking up for our system.
I hv to say: its awfully fucked up how ppl all over live their lives just fine knowing how inconsistany, corrupt, and unjust the judicial system is, right up until one of they OWN is locked up. Only THEN is the justice system and jails/prisons in general considered "barbaric and archaic ".
They are all from England, not the U.S.
An extreme case of privilege. But the judge was petty af by bringing up a totally irrelevant case, so sensitive smh!
As somebody from Northern Ireland what the judge said, despite being true, tells me volumes about which side of things he would have been on. He’s the sort that, being Irish American, likely funded the IRAs bombing campaign in the UK and Ireland. A lot of Irish Americans have blood in their hands in a country most of them have never even been to.
Good job reporting the facts of this case. I did find myself torn, but as a mother, who also went through extreme mental health issues and suffered intense domestic abuse during my pregnancies, I could NEVER harm my child! I would, in fact, protect them with extreme ferocity. My daughter was born Sept 8, 1994, so much of this hit home with me.
I do commend you, sir, for your ability to look at both sides of this sad, sad case and present it without bias. Great job! Thank you.
My husband knows everything about me. I can’t even hide a sore knee from him. ❤ He’s the greatest most intuitive husband anyone could ever dream of having. I can’t help but see this woman as having no support for her to do this.
Thank you for your incredibly done videos your narration is respectful, well researched, informative and eloquent
Thank you so much! I appreciate you!
I love your stories, your voice, and your compassion. Thank you for remembering the lost.
I'm going to be that person. I find it interesting that mental illness always seems to be factored in when "certain" people commit crimes. Yet, I rarely hear mental illness being brought up when not "certain" people commit crimes, and I've listened to a lot of cases. The fact that the case turned into a pissing contest between dad (UK) and his black sheep son (US) and less about poor innocent Avie is sickening. The fact that this woman was photographed smiling like a Cheshire Cat when she got back to jolly ole England is sickening. Everything about this is sickening. As always, great storytelling. Rest in peace, baby girl Avie!🕊🌹
Does that include the certain people getting away with grooming and abusing young girls in the UK or the certain people flooding our country with drugs or the certain people who kill their child, drive the body to a friends garden to bury it and then only recieve 6 years in prison for it... I tell you tho, all those "certain" people don't need to worry about sunscreen...
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@kbsinsaneworld "certain" people? Why not say who they are? "Jolly ole England?"
This whole thing is so sad, grief is so powerful.
Thank you for all the hard work you put into these tragic stories.
Appreciate what you do, attention to detail, interesting case choices, and fluid storytelling make your channel stand out! Thank you for the time you invest! Big fan
That Precious , Helpless Baby! My heart hurts for the Defenseless Baby! 💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🥀🥀🥀🕊️🕊️🕊️
Another amazing and respectfully done video! Keep up the great work ❤
That smile on her face made my skin crawl. I feel like she’s not sorry.
This is totally disgusting, and shows the NYC justice system has always been trash smdh. She should've been behind bars for at least ten years.