Creation, Early Man, and Evolution | According to Modern Holy Fathers
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Hear over a dozen modern Orthodox Holy Fathers teach about the beginnings of God’s creation and the theory of evolution. This collection of teachings is specifically from Orthodox Holy Fathers of the 19th and 20th centuries. By no means is this meant to deemphasize the earlier Holy Fathers in any way; it is simply meant to highlight Fathers of our times who were familiar with the “enlightenment” of modern man, bound up with atheism and evolutionary theory. While their focus was on a true and authentic understanding of the origins of man and creation, and this apart from and beyond humanist theories like evolution, they nonetheless offered an Orthodox appraisal of evolution and other modern theories in order to guard the Faithful against soul-destroying heresy.
I encourage you to read the early Fathers and gain their understanding of Genesis and creation, which stands firmly on its own and which was not ignorant of the truth about creation. Just as Moses was a prophet not only of the future, but of the past, the early Patristic writers were also inspired by the same Spirit to perceive reality as Moses did.
Lastly, this recording is not meant to stir up further debates between “creation vs evolution” and “science vs religion.” These binary discussions are often fruitless and miss the point. What this recording aims to show is that not only do Orthodox Saints regard the theory of evolution as false and incompatible with Orthodoxy, as well as notions of theistic evolution (since “by man came death” -1 Cor 15, verse 21), but that their vision of Creation is not a reaction to the theory of evolution, rather it is enlightened by the Holy Spirit and retains fundamental presuppositions that allow for a truly God-inspired understanding.
Wrestle with these words. They are spoken by men illumined by God, and can help lead a humble man to the Kingdom of Heaven.
00:00 - Introduction
00:38 - Fr. Seraphim Rose, Hieromonk of Platina, California (+1982) - Basic presuppositions for knowledge of creation and early man.
04:33 - St. Ignatius Brianchaninov, Bishop of the Caucasus and Stavropol (+1867) - The state of creation before the Fall of Adam.
06:55 - St. Hilarion (Troitsky), Hieromartyr and Archbishop of Verey (+1929) - The Church’s view leads to humility, the secular view leads to pride.
10:38 - St. Nikolai (Velimirovic), Bishop of Zica (+1956) - “Death is Unnatural”
13:32 - St. Justin (Popovic) of Celije (+1979) - How man and the rest of creation are inseparable. When man fell, all of creation fell.
15:22 - St. Ambrose of Optina (+1891) - “Don’t believe at face value all kinds of nonsense…”
15:46 - St. John of Kronstadt (+1908) - True knowledge and the over-educated.
16:49 - St. Vladimir, Hieromartyr and Metropolitan of Kiev and Gallich (+1918) - Do not listen to teachings of unbelief for they “promise you nothing but despair and an inconsolable life.”
18:44 - St. Theophan the Recluse, Bishop of Tambov (+1894) - Evolution is anathema, along with other secular Western philosophies, and only a pure nous can accurately contemplate divine reality.
29:19 - St. Barsanuphius of Optina (+1913) - The moral ramifications of evolutionist philosophy.
30:05 - St. Nectarios, Metropolitan of Pentapolis and Wonderworker of Aegina (+1920) - “Without the acceptance of revealed truth, man will remain an insoluble problem.”
31:42 - Fr. Seraphim Rose (+1982) - Knowledge of creation and early man can only be obtained by divine illumination. (Note: This essentially repeats his teaching from the beginning, but it is kept here since it is so key to our understanding.)
34:26 - St. Luke the Surgeon, Archbishop of Simferopol (+1961) - Evolutionary theory is not only contradictory to the Scripture, but to nature itself.
35:54 - St. Sophrony (Sakharov) the Athonite (+1993) - The absurdity of evolutionary theory.
36:57 - St. Paisios of Mount Athos (+1994) - Monkeys are far from humans; evolutionary theory is blasphemy.
41:31 - St. Justin (Popovic) of Celije (+1979) - His letter to a theology student asking about evolution in which he focuses on the impact of evolution on the Orthodoxy doctrine of salvation.
46:35 - Fr. Seraphim Rose (+1982) - Brief overview of the keys to the Patristic understanding.
52:44 - Hymns from Vigil of the Sunday of Forgiveness, The Casting Out of Adam from Paradise
54:33 - Hymn from the Feast of the Elevation of the Holy Cross
The majority of these texts can be found in “Genesis, Creation, and Early Man” by Fr. Seraphim Rose, published by St. Herman’s Press.
This channel is dedicated to sharing the prayers, hymns, teachings, and service texts of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Glory to Jesus Christ!
St Theophan the relcuse is so close to us of our times with a understanding of the Early Church Fathers , St Theophan pray to God for us !
Exactly. I was very happy to find a good amount of teachings on this from him.
He's my patron saint!
St Theophan the Recluse was, as his name suggests, a monk out of touch with the body of the Church. He is celebrated for his asceticism, certainly not for his attacks on reason and science. Seraphim Rose, in trying to defend himself from accusations from members of the Orthodox Church, misrepresents Orthodoxy and his editor who wrote the preface to his Creationist claims does even worse. The publication of this book does nothing but damage the image of Orthodoxy in America.
Thank God ! For this Book for is testimony against False Modernist Pseudoscience
@@NicholasAggelopoulos no one is convinced by your audacious ramblings
St. Hilarion Triotsky said "At least I'm not a monkey, at least some progress has been realized in me. This is how evolution by calling a monkey our ancestor feeds our pride, if a monkey is our benchmark then one can pride themselves in progress but if we compare ourselves to the sinless Adam (Christ) this external progress will lose its value"
WOW!
My brother. This is such an honorable pursuit. You have surely blessed my life with this recording. I want to thank you. The Words of The Saints of Christ are so blessed and needed.
The LARPers in this channel are unreal
@@TheFoolOnTheHill_what makes you an angry person? Do you not like yourself?
Amazing collection of quotes! And thank you for including the hymns at the end!
Thank you for this. As a thinking adult Christian, I never accepted Atheism, Naturalism or Scientism, all implicit and unprovable (and untenable) in what passes for “science” of origins these days, but Young Earth Creationism and literal 24-hour days have seemed dubious to me as interpretations of Genesis. I have always considered the gospel (the Incarnation) and salvation the central issues of the the Faith and reconciling modern observations from real science and the Creation narratives and aspects of cosmological theories a secondary issue. Now I am Orthodox, there is the added wisdom of the Fathers, both early and contemporary to appreciate and consider, but these also require humility and growing discernment to interpret.
At one point, on the fossil record not supporting evolutionary theory, Francis Collins, Head of the NIH and the human genome project and professing Christian wrote that all the transitions missing from the fossil record are mapped in human DNA. With recent events cementing the extent and reality of the massive corruption of him, his cronies and the agencies they head (and the real nature of the “god” they serve), his assertions carry no weight of credibility for me whatsoever!
I’m interested in your comment and in particular the last paragraph. Could you please elaborate on what you meant by recent events in relation to Francis Collins? Thanks 🙏
@@mrpallycapoopsthe NIH is responsible for making and releasing Covid and then pretending it was going to kill is all. More and more or are realizing science is run by evil people more than happy to lie for their agenda.
The last 4 generations of biology text books had a reference to the 'similarity of fetus' theology (and it is a FAITH based theology) which was recently shown to be purely fiction by Earnst Haeckel.
This is literally fiction:
"In biology, abiogenesis, or informally the origin of life (OoL), is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. While the details of this process are still unknown, the prevailing scientific hypothesis is that the transition from non-living to living entities was not a single event, but an evolutionary process of increasing complexity"
I didn't know you have a youtube channel, I listen on Spotify when I'm able to pull away from busy life.
My husband and I ask the Lord to bless you for your work.
Thank you so much
Thank you for making this video. This is a very important issue for all of us as Orthodox Christians. We cannot embrace the philosophies of evolution/uniformitarianism as it is a dangerous and non-Biblical lie, which would pervert our Orthodox Christian children and converts to Orthodoxy away from the True Church, and into a sinful way of living. The Holy Fathers of the Orthodox Church, from St. John Chrysostom to Fr. Seraphim Rose have always taught a literal 24-hour, six day creation (Hexameron). However, it is true we don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. But, the earth still isn't millions of years old.
It is also true that we should beware of Creationist ministries such as Answers in Genesis, Creation Science Evangelism, and Living Waters because they are shady capitalist Protestant Ministers that are seeking to make a profit, and want to make a mockery of the Holy Bible with an "Evangelical Walt Disney world". They also mix the scientific truth of creation with nonsense like ice ages, eohippus, and fossil fuels.
We have plenty of scientific evidence of Intelligent Design by The Holy Trinity and a Great Flood. From the Hiatus Layer with it's Alluvial deposits, the fact that 75% of the earth's surface is sedimentary rock, the lack of transitional forms in the fossil record and the non-existence of a geologic column, the Mandel-Brot Structure, and that all eight blood types go back to one man and one woman who had intercourse.
As for the dinosaurs, it is true that about 46% of dragons mentioned in accounts and depictions, look and sound like dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs and other marine reptiles; and other extinct reptiles, with 55% of dragons looking and sounding like demons taking a hideous form to frighten people. I also have seen a lot of depictions of extinct mammals like giant sloths, woolly mammoths, and glyptodons from American Indians in the New World. So this is all proof that God created these creatures along with Adam and Eve, not prehistoric creatures that lived millions of years ago. However, nobody is stupid for disbelieving or believing in dinosaurs.
Although I believe dinosaurs (though I could be wrong about their existence), I don't believe in the nonsense of fossil fuels or a geologic column (considering that even some uniformitarians say it doesn't exist, and it's a theory).
@@johniannucci6300 What do you mean by "nonsense of fossil fuels"?
@@austinwalker1069
I simply mean that scientific tests have shown that the majority of oil deposits come from abiotic materials. There are some theories about how oil is naturally produced, but no one knows for sure how it is made.
That's not to say that there aren't oil deposits that come from crushed zooplankton and microscopic creatures (biotic sources) that were crushed during the great flood. There are indeed.
Rockefeller created the myth of fossil fuels and how scarce it is in order to drive up the price of oil, charging extra, and claiming exclusive rights to lands bubbling with oil pits granted to them by the government.
There was a retired oil engineer who testified on the abiotic origins of oil and the fossil fuel myth on an interview.
However, the trolls that work for the government took off the video of that interview just like they took off all the pictures and videos of Israeli war crimes and atrocities when they destroyed Father Nathanael Kapner's real zionist news website.
That's not to say that we shouldn't try to find an eco-friendly fuel system like Nikola Tesla's Towers or Dr. Shultz's garbage powered vehicles, but the Jews and Freemasons who run the oil companies use the fossil fuel myth to raise the price of oil anytime they want.
God bless you, have a good evening.
@@austinwalker1069the nonsense that they come from fossils. We are seeing oil wells refill in 80 years. The term fossil fuels was coined by Carnegie to make sound rare. In reality oil is second only to water in quantity on our planet.
This is an excellent compendium. Thank you.
Legitimately have been looking for something like this, the Jay Dyer Genesis video is nice, but I don't have hours to find the specific bits that I'm trying to find lol
A most precious production. Thank you OW.
I am a fan of science and I find it amazing that with the discoveries of the James Webb telescope. Science is having even more questions about the origins of the universe every day and it seems like all they’re doing. Is he improving more that the more questions they ask, the more they prove the existence of God’s creation
but the more they find the more they struggle to deny God.
All your recordings are helpful and encouraging, and this one especially so .
Thank you.
Who is he?
The primary person behind this channel is Timothy Honeycutt
@@OrthodoxWisdom Thank you.
Your mind is brilliant and use it without the need for others approval. He gave each of us the ability to see and hear and judge for ourselves.
Honestly the only thing I don’t understand is what the point of all the animals would be if they all acted the same way. The Lion loses its identity if it acts the same way a gazelle does. So many animals lose their insightfulness into life if they were just all different looking versions of similar behaviour.
The same as all humans are the same fundamentally and yet different to one another. Variety in similarity.
St. John Damascus actually argues in the Orthodox Faith that God, in His foreknowledge, made the animals so that they would already be adapted to the fallen ecology. I can find the quote later.
I love the hymns in the end :) God bless you
Anyone stuck on evolution just has to listen to David Berlinsky for an hour ☦️
Thank You For This video.
Can you please post these quotes in written form also in some place ? Thanks.
I have to listen to this one of these days!
Thank you. Bless you.
Very good
Pray 🙏🏼 for us amen ☦️☦️☦️⛪️
amazing work
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Good video
Great reading
Wonderful content!
Why did god let adam and eve sin? What is free will exactly? Why did god create everything if he knew the outcome? Why did jesus come when he came? What about the people before jesus? Where are they now? All in hell? Sometimes I dont understand nothing no more. Lord have mercy.
For Orthodox Christians, the center of history is Cross of Christ. History is only understood, and understood in a way that brings peace and trust in God, if we begin and end with the Death and Resurrection of Christ. Meditate on this, pray, and I am confident the grace of God will come and help you.
@@OrthodoxWisdom thank you my brother. Ill do my best. Glory to god.
To believe Physical Laws were identical to now as before humans existed will always take faith!
No it doesn't. Why do you think there were different natural laws 1 million years ago?
@@NicholasAggelopoulos Because we've seen "natural laws" change within the scope of Scripture. God changed how long people live from hundreds of years to our current max of 120
Thank you!!
If you don't know or aware of the divine logos then you always listen to fallible men. Our one father is revealed by his logos. He is our only creator and saviour and father of our salvation.
Treating our Saints and Holly Fathers as if they, human beings, were omniscient beings is a mistake fruit not only of ignorance, but of human pride and arrogance as well. You are raising them at the level of semi-gods. God's creation is like an open book that he 'wrote' himself, without human intermediaries, a book that he show us with the possibility to read it little by little with the gift of reason. The Holy Fathers and our Saints showed us the path of Orthodox spirituality, the path to theosis. But it is a an irrational mistake to treat them as omniscient creatures that knew exactly how God performed his creation when God's creation actually shows us that they were wrong. They had their own limitations as any human being. They were not perfect. And we love them more because of that. That they were wrong about scientific knowledge should not be a problem to anyone who has a true strong faith. There is a big difference between true faith and fundamentalism.
Why do you assume the Holy Fathers were wrong about such things, especially when there is overwhelming consensus on this matter amongst them? Who are we to stand in judgment of their unified witness on this matter for two thousand years? Furthermore, how does one accept evolution and embrace that death came before the fall, if that is what you accept. "By man came death" (1 Cor 15:21) is a vital tenant in this topic. Additionally, as the saints teach, and which St. Symeon the New Theologian and Fr. Seraphim Rose make abundantly clear, we cannot learn about the nature of the world before the fall by studying the world after the fall since the effects of sin are so great (see Romans 8:20-23).
They weren’t omniscient, but where they agree is where you find the Holy Spirit
Job 38:14 says of the Earth - "It takes on form like clay under a seal,
And stands out like a garment." Interesting that the Earth has no measurable curvature - nor can any movement be measured.
It's flat ------------
@@tinttiakka2028 prove to me the earth is round...
The bible does say it is flat. See above.
@@tinttiakka2028 go down the nasa rabbit hole
I have no problem with a stationary geocentric world, but I have flown miles high and seen the curvature of the earth.
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Nature didn't fall, only Adam and Eve sinned and therefore fell. Rather, Nature was cursed because of them. Further, if Adam and Eve had had any wisdom, they wouldn't have disobeyed God. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" and, "Come, you children, listen to me, I'll teach you the fear of the Lord"- Proverbs.
Jeremiah 12:4: How long will the land mourn and the grass of every field be withered? Because of the evil of its residents, the animals and birds have been swept away, for the people have said, "He cannot see what our end will be."
See also Romans 8:21-23.
what about the flat earth? Saint Paisios says here that the earth revolves around the Sun but the Saints could not tell that to the people from their time.
Can someone point me to some extended explanation on that?
@@visancristian8450 check out the Catholic scholar Dr.Sungenis 'Flat earth flat wrong' the church of the first millennia just didn't believe in a flat earth. No one did.
@tony gravity.
@tony what is a dread mystery?
@@daltonn2023 wrong!
I guess this whole problem with evolution and creation is that you have to distinguish between the scientific theory of evolution and the atheistic philosophy that was wrongly based on it. If we don't understand what are the basis and the boundaries of science we will draw wrong conclusions. Genesis is not a scientific book using a scientific mindset and vocabulary. That is the error of protestant short time creationism.
Evolution by observation leads to differentiation of species as what happens when isolated groups of creatures lose some amount of genetic diversity as their small group does not contain all of the original 'information' of the created kinds. When Darwin observed this in his travels, particularly to the Galapagos Islands, genetics was unknown. The small differences in creatures on the various islands was due to a 'loss of information' not a (mysterious) increase in information. Small groups of creatures can diversify from the original group in just a few generations. There is no need for an 'old earth' to reconcile the diversity of creatures we observe.
Breeds can show us much, if we only breed Chihuahuas, we will never get a wolf or a Great Dane, we will only got Chihuahuas.
Interestingly, there have been over 100 instances of soft tissues found in dinosaur bones. How these tissues have remained pliable, and relatively unchanged, is difficult to determine if the bones were but a few thousand years old, and is beyond explanation for an age of nearly one hundred million years old.
The Institute for Creation Research has many degreed molecular biologists working, they have come to see the implausibility of random chance evolution.
Scientific my ass. Is not empirical science to say "i think this rock is a gazillion years old".
You have a genealogy in the bible, why not believe it instead of relying on the delusional wisdom of men?
@@noway165 No, there is not loss of information, overall genetic information has increased and diversified in evolution. The finches did not lose information. Generally genomes become larger over time, not smaller.
@@NicholasAggelopoulosgenetic entropy exclude the possibility of evolution.
Did sin - and as a consequence mortality - enter the human family over a long period of time?
Not because religious leaders cannot reconcile Genesis 1&2 to scientific data & historical evidence the intelligent people would say the Bible is not accurate. The real reason is these people assuming themselves as “smart” have not fully understand the word of God in the Bible. Instead they talked ahead to deceive others who are weak in their faith. The truth is there is no inconsistency. Science is just catching up from the words in the Holy Scripture. Life on earth has already been written in the Book of Life. Make sure your name will not be blotted. Repent & understand the gospel until our end.
Except for some modern Fathers trying to proselytise the naive, the ancient Fathers had no issue with evolution, nor did anyone else in society. I find it somewhat distasteful personally as an Orthodox Christian, that some modern Fathers do not try to be objective but in order to proselytise naive Priotestant Americans present the literal interpretation of the story of creation from the Book of Genesis as an accepted Orthodox belief. It is a Protestant belief and more specifically an American Protestant belief. Some Russian Orthodox Christians had an issue with science because of their persecution in the days of Communism, allegedly in the name of progress, materialism, science and other such communist propaganda. That is a recent development. It is not the traditional Orthodox view.
Can you name any Orthodox Saint, especially one who lived after Darwin, who embraced evolutionary theory?
Furthermore, the vast majority of saints quoted in this video had little to no contact with Protestants. It was mostly Orthodox Christians who had been influenced by the West and the modern secular theories that came to these saints and asked them to address the issue. If you listen closely to the content in this video, you’ll see that.
@@OrthodoxWisdom - The Patriarch of Constantinople wrote to congratulate Charles Darwin for his "compelling theory" as he called it, after the publication of the Origin of the Species, stating only that it needs to be clarified how humans evolved from other animals, which Charles Darwin attempted to do in a subsequent book he wrote, titled the Descent of Man.
@@OrthodoxWisdom I don't know how many times I answered and my comments were deleted. The Fathers you listed do not speak against evolution. Your comments that make such a case but not those you have quoted.
I did not delete your responses. I don’t know why that happened.
I don’t know how you can make such a statement: at least half the saints quotes here explicitly say that Darwin, evolutionary theory, and the ideas directly related are false and from those unenlightened by God. You can disagree with the saints here, but they explicitly teach against evolution and anyone can hear it here and read it in Genesis, Creation, and Early Man.
Uncritically accept their speculations as if it were true knowledge. They do admit that nothing scientific is actually provable it’s only able to be proven wrong. So no matter what the contemporary speculative mechanistic encumbrances present to opposing viewpoints, they always win based on their confessional claims that their Zealousness is always unbiased and neutral in a vacuum of unequivocal fair arbitration of fact
Yes, it's arbitrary
The ancient fathers knew enough about evolution not to have a problem with it. St Gregory of Nyssa who presided over the wording of the Nicene Creed wrote in favour of the theory of evolution. The Nicene Creed, the three Hierarchs and the other Fathers are clearly against the literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis (where e.g. God was a monad, not a trinity).
Forgive me but you have not read these Fathers closely enough. Off the top of my head I can recall St. Basil speaking over and again about the instantaneous creation of the various things according to each day as we see in scripture, including Adam and Eve. He even says that each day of creation was 24 hours! I know the Genesis book by Fr. Seraphim Rose isn’t back in print yet, but if you can find a copy or a pdf you’ll see an abundance of references to the teachings of these fathers. Evolutionary theory had no place in their inspired worldview.
@@OrthodoxWisdom - I responded to your comment but I cannot find my response.
So as for all to understand that God created the world unbounded by time it is said that in the Arche (in the beginning or in the first principle), He created.
St Basil Hexameron
Unbounded by time means not in days or weeks or months. It means God creates outside time, not affected by time. St Basil goes over the days of the story of creation, because that is his subject in these writings, first saying that the first day must be of an indeterminate duration, coming as it is between eternity and the second day. Of the next 5 he says we must assume they were of 24 hour duration, because he cannot verify it one way or another as we can today. However, in other passages he gives an interpretation in accordance with Christian belief and the more developed scientific understanding of his time, as well as common sense. The earth is not flat but round. The firmament is not one sheath but encompasses the independent orbits of the planets. The lights affixed onto the firmament are the stars, not candles. Earth is not simply earth but contains all the elements, including air, water and heat/fire (he gives examples). The waters above are not above the firmament but a reference to the clouds that bring rain. And so on. Above all St Basil finds the Holy Trinity where there is literally only one God. After all the Old Testament by and in itself is the holy text of the religion of Judaism not of Christianity. Regarding Evolution, some of the early Fathers made direct references to the theories of Anaximander. St Gregory of Nyssa summarises the theory as it stood at his time attributing it to God's energies. Orthodox Christianity is not Protestantism under another name, reading blindly some text thinking you understand something. The Fathers of the Church were rational thinkers.
I beg you. The solution was revealed to a Roman Catholic priest: Father Guido Bortoluzzi. A shocking explanation, one might think diabolical, but ultimately full of sense.
Truth = Important
Jesus = I am the truth
Truth = Genesis is not a science textbook
The truth for us all, is that we honour our Lord by accepting the very objectively clear truth, that this planet, and the life on it, is not thousands, but thousands of millions of years old, because Scripture and Scientific observations (the book of nature) are not in conflict, and are, in fact, two valid approaches for receving... Truth.
Wake up! ; ) Modern genetics has proved the relationship between all living creatures: and not just that of having the same characteristics due to having the same Creator, but because common descent - to one degree or another - is a reality.
We are spiritually unique, but we are biologically mammals: a microcosm that is somewhere (due to Adam's short lived illumination and infancy when he fell from the process of growth into the Divine likeness) between brute instinctive beast and angel x
But sons in the Son!
Glory
Great anti science video. Now your comments are filled with flat earthers.
theres issues with the translations, i recomend you to check inspiring philosophy videos on genesis.
This is embarrassing. Leave science to the scientists. Things like this are the reason people are leaving the church.
If people leave the Church over her dogma on creation and early man, then they didn’t set aside their ego nor fall madly in love with Christ and His saints. Even if what the saints teach on this is hard for western, rationalistic man to hear, they would patiently ask God to enlighten them instead of jumping off the Ark of Salvation.
@@OrthodoxWisdom Come off it. Christianity answers 'Why', not 'How'. Religion and science will always be compatible. Stop asking people to choose between faith and reason.
@@nicodemuseam Yeah, okay buddy. Just don't act like there's no evidence for the claims of evolutionary biologists. When you rail against something that's been proven, it makes you look ridiculous.
Of course, i'm assuming you're posting in good faith, when in all likelihood you're just screwing around and you don't take any of this seriously.
Some things are beyond our intellectual understanding and can only be granted with Gods wisdom and enlightenment… You know God, the Truth, the Creator of all things visible and invisible.
@@TheFoolOnTheHill_ Proven ? How exactly ? I thought so before but the more I read creationnist science stuffs the more I believe they are right on a good number of things. There is coherence in their worldview, they do have evidences and that fits more their theory than the evolutionnists, and evolution seems to be fraudulent or frankly biased an a good number of things especially concerning ape man. Frankly, after all they tried to make us swallow, we are stupid to still give them credit. The thing is creationnists know they have bias to look at the evidences and evolutionnists think they have none. But of course you need to have an open mind to check out the evidences and explanations of those evidences from both sides.
The thing that opened my eyes is the loss of informations in our dna, previous generations had more informations That we do now, due to copying errors. we are not evolving we are devolving. Check out answers in Genesis on that subject.
Listen, I am atheist and I don't aim to insult your faith. But I have to advise you that putting science and religion in opposition only spreads ignorance, bigotry, fanatism. If you want to reconcile evolution with Christianity there's intelligent design theory. Refuting scientific proofs of evolution, which we have in abundance, only because they don't fit your worldview or "need or being humbled" is childish and foolish. Greetings
Yours is a childish and foolish comment.
@@styracosaurusqvt4841 proofs of evolution : some teeth in the back of the mouth are disappearing because they are no longer useful. While skeletons of people 2000 years ago had these teeth big as other teeth. Plus, Caucasians have the capability of digesting milk, which other people like Asians don't have. Why would God give us a different capability? This was also used by Aryans as a tool to submit Dravids in India.
Evidence for evolution be like “this bird has a big beak, therefore we are all monkeys, ooh ooh ah ah”
@@neame-bh3uq no we aren't monkeys. Humans and monkeys are descendants of the same ancestor. But we would be monkeys as much as monkeys would be humans.
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"ONLY TRUST THIS HOLY FATHER..." SOUNDS LIKE OCCULT.
Don't mix truth with lies.
This is blind heresy.
Peter is considered a Holy Father. Guess we should dismiss his contributions to the Bible.
@@milkshakeplease4696 No. SAM. CULT LEADERS MAKE THEMSELVES EXCLUSIVE.
JESUS IS THE WAY.
Knowledge puffs up but love builds up. Theology is a skeleton without life
Thank you
God established One Church (Matthew 24), and we are to be as One, as He and the Father are One. There is no 'invisible' church. The Book of Acts shows the first Ecumenical Council, which is guided by the Apostles (which are Bishops), and continues to today with the 9 ecumenical councils of the Orthodox Church. You have no GROUND nor BASIS nor AUTHORITY to re-define what the early Christians wrote by Christ, God Himself, into scripture, and passed on as tradition. Their is one Church, and the subsequent schisms and heresies show their fruit in the psychosis of the west.
Man as God's creation - by St. John Damascene
God brought into existence mental essence, by which I mean, angels and all the heavenly orders. For these clearly have a mental and incorporeal nature; "incorporeal" I mean in comparison with the denseness of matter. For the Deity alone in reality is immaterial and incorporeal. But further He created in the same way sensible essence, that is heaven and earth and the intermediate region; and so He created both the kind of being that is of His own nature (for the nature that has to do with reason is related to God, and apprehensible by mind alone), and the kind which, inasmuch as it clearly falls under the province of the senses, is separated from Him by the greatest interval. And it was also fit that there should be a mixture of both kinds of being, as a token of still greater wisdom and of the opulence of the Divine expenditure as regards natures, as Gregorius, the expounder of God's being and ways, puts it, and to be a sort of connecting link between the visible and invisible natures. And by the word "fit" I mean, simply that it was an evidence of the Creator's will, for that will is the law and ordinance most meet, and no one will say to his Maker, "Why hast Thou so fashioned me?" For the potter is able at his will to make vessels of various patterns out of his clay, as a proof of his own wisdom.
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He quoted a choir of saints, not one saint. Where there is a consensus of saints, there is the teaching of the Holy Spirit.