Dialga's, Palkia's and Giratina's non-dragon types are refrences to the states of mater solid=steel, liquid=water, gas=ghost. Those should be their types, dragon is just there to make them strong bossfights with resistances to starter types
So I think the best way to describe why Palkia represents water, is because the concept of space is ever flowing like water. Dialga's steel typing works because its concept of time is unbreakable.
I love these videos. Once you've finished this series, you should do a video about what type pokémon would be if there were only 4 types elemental, light, shadow, and space. (You could use a different list and number of categories, I just threw that out there for example) I feel like some would be super obvious, but some would be debatable
saw a long time ago the reason why Dialga and Palkia have such odd typings is that steel and diamonds are part of a clock, and that water flows like the passage of time, so I don't think it's that weird to have water type, along with pearls being found in water.
@@emperorcubone space and time are pretty connected, and i suppose space also is a vast ocean of nothingness, i think it works... enough.... if i had to give palkia any secondary type it would definitely be water imo.
Before vid start here my take for single typed gen 4 Torterra- Has to be Grass due to Infernape having to be Fire type Monferno- Fire Infernape- Got to be Fire due to the lack of fire types in Sinnoh games Empoleon- Has to be Water in order not to be weak to Infernape Starly- Flying Staravia- Flying Staraptor- Flying Bibarel- Normal Budew- Grass Roserade- Grass, but there is an argument for poison Shieldon- Rock Bastiodon- Steel Wormadam Plant- Grass Wormadam Sandy- Ground Wormadam Trash- Steel Mothim- Bug Combee- Bug Vespiquen- Bug Gastrodon- Ground Drifloon- Ghost Drifblim- Ghost Honchkrow- Dark Stunky- Poison Skuntank- Poison Bronzor- Steel Bronzong- Steel Mime jr.- Psychic Spiritomb- Ghost Gible- Ground Gabite- Ground Garchomp- Dragon Lucario- Fighting Skorupi- Poison Drapion- Poison Croagunk- Fighting Toxicroak- Fighting Mantyke- Water Snover- Grass Abomasnow- Grass Weavile- Dark Magnezone- Steel Rhyperior- Ground Togekiss- Fairy Yanmega- Bug Ec: Made Yanma Flying so it bares to reason he’ll make Yanmega Flying Gliscor- Flying Mamoswine- Ground Gallade- Fighting Probopass- Rock Froslass- Ghost Rotom- Ghost Dialga- Steel Palkia- Water Giratina- Ghost Heatran- Steel
I remember hearing somewhere that a possible reason why Palkia is Water is because in several cultures space is often referred ro as an Ocean or that all of the creation started from the ocean.
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 To an extent, yeah. Ancient people didn't fully know what outer space was, so they either envisioned an endless ocean, or a finite land with a dome of water or something. Palkia having it makes more sense than one'd think.
Another fact is that Dialga and Palkia takes inspirations from Shinto Mythology. The important part to know is that there are 2 gods who created the world by dipping a jeweled spear into the water.
Palkia should stay water IMO 'cause I personally believe in "3 states of matter" theory for the 3 legends (dialga = solid = steel, palkia = liquid = water, giratina = gas = ghost)
I'm with you there honestly. I get that they wanted to have the Fighting/Steel combo, but then they just muddied the waters by giving it this whole unrelated Aura lore...
11:24 Palkia is Water-Type because it's Pearl-themed (and pearls come from the sea). The devs chose "diamonds & pearls" as a theme for the Gen 4 games becuase it's a logical progression from the previous gens (Gen 1 titles were colors, Gen 2 were colors that are also jewels, and Gen 3 were jewels, so Gen 4 are also jewels). But all of this is just my opinion/logic, I can't prove any of that.
Palkia is probably Water Type because in a lot of creation myths, when physical space is created, the first thing to exist is a sort of primordial sea from which the land emerged. Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian, some interpretations of Hindu myth, etc.
I think Garchomp should be ground They're literal land sharks and have the whole desert predator going for them, so its more fitting even if that means not having a dragon pseudo legendary
I haven't even watched past the first 20 seconds and I predict that EC will make the starter final evos only the secondary types. Ie Torterra pure ground, Infernape pure fighting, and Empoleon pure steel. Big flex and still a solid type triangle
Ready for another Gym Leader Analysis? Roark just as every Rock leader has Geodude and Onix and the one already monotype fossil. Gardenia has the already only Grass Turtwig and CHerubi/Cherrim plus Roserade who now is also just Grass though one Poison Poké would have been fine, too. For Maylene, Meditite and Lucario have changed into mono-Fighting which might make this battle easier even. Crasher Wake has only Floatzel from Sinnoh, so I had to re-check in the other videos for Gyarados and Quagsire who both become just Water, which is kinda a bit sad. With the muddy Safari Zone and the muddy route later, a Ground type would have actually fit him. In fact, Fantina is with Drifblim now the first leader of the region with a Pokemon that changed to another type than the prime. Byron's all three then again turn into just the prime type for being a metal snake, a metal disc and a metal face. For Candice, let's be honest, I don't really know why she would have Medichamp in an Ice Team anyway. except that it's catchable on the route next door. As Psycho it would be tricky if the Player uses Fighting against the Ice, but who wouldn't just use Fire? Sneasel became pure Ice in Jotho, though hers uses more Dark type attacks - maybe it would be more interesting to evolve it into Dark Weavile. And then there are Snover and Abomasnow, who I personally would have put as pure Grass, because while covered with snow on top, what they ARE is trees. And hers do both have more Grass Attacks. But then again, if we would do both these changes, her team wouldnt have one Ice type; at #7 however that would be a good variety challenge. And it would be something for an Ice leader to not simply take mons that ARE ice but some who despite not being Ice live well in these conditions. The Electric Volkner is already weird in the first place. In Platinum a pure mono-Electric team, he has in DP two that are randomly mono other types who also have more not-Electric attacks. Like, why was that?? While I would support type variety at such a position, it should at least make sense why he has these pokemon, and then some who have the prime type switching to another type is fine, not when they aren't associated in any way in the first place. So, let's just take the Platinum team which has Electric Pokes but variety in attacks with Luxray biting and Elevoltek punching. So, in this region a bit boring, if we eliminate the randomness at the end, practically all gym leaders simply end up with a team completely only of their prime type. Only Fantina's Drifblim and Candice's Medichamp would be another type, and that barely constitute mixed type teams. If we don't sanitize Volkner's team, he has a randomly mixed team but that one still feels already kinda weird.
Palkia being part Water type in the actual games does've an actual reason besides the three states of matter theory. Most likely it's so because it represents space. Why does this matter? Because ancient people had thought that space is represented by an endless ocean or a dome of water or something along those lines. So in a way, it does make sense, even if it's very esoteric.
@@phoenixblade8315 Indeed. But removing the idea of a dualtyped Pokémon for this hypothetical would obviously lead to weird decisions, since some designs are made with both typings in mind, not just one.
@@phoenixblade8315 Agreed. I think he tried to do this to keep the triangle idea going? Even though he himself stated that Empoleon is screwed over by both of them? Coverage exists, obviously. But that isn't enough for something that glaring...
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Dialgs without his scales looks cursed 😂
Yeah, that's the exact word I thought of when I saw it...
Agreed. He should've kept the Steel type and not Dragon, to make it look less bad.
Edit: In the thumbnail.
Nearly as bad as Hisuian Palkia
If you thought that was bad you should look up peeled Pokémon and see how much worse it can get
EC shaved him
Burmy being the next Eevee is an unhinged statement 😂
It could have happened! If they cared enough to do it...
@@emperorcubone I love itttt
Ok…
hear me out…
the Gen 8 fossil Pokémon should be the only ones who get to keep their dual typings
Your vids often drop early in the morning for me. They're such a treat to watch as I'm going about my little morning.
Glad I could be a part of this balanced breakfast!
Do you live in Asia or Australia.
@@emperorcuboneI always watch your videos while eating dinner, so for me you're part of the balanced dinner 😃
Same, and I live in the USA. Always a great way to start my day 😁
11:24 Cuz Pearls....are from the water?
That actually makes more sense than anything else I've heard! Good job!
Dialga's, Palkia's and Giratina's non-dragon types are refrences to the states of mater solid=steel, liquid=water, gas=ghost. Those should be their types, dragon is just there to make them strong bossfights with resistances to starter types
I did mention that in the video, but they could have at least made Palkia fluid in Some way!
Dialga without metal is going to join Vegeta without hair in my sleep paralysis hallucinations.
So I think the best way to describe why Palkia represents water, is because the concept of space is ever flowing like water. Dialga's steel typing works because its concept of time is unbreakable.
I love these videos.
Once you've finished this series, you should do a video about what type pokémon would be if there were only 4 types elemental, light, shadow, and space.
(You could use a different list and number of categories, I just threw that out there for example)
I feel like some would be super obvious, but some would be debatable
Haha never heard of that before but it could be fun!
saw a long time ago the reason why Dialga and Palkia have such odd typings is that steel and diamonds are part of a clock, and that water flows like the passage of time, so I don't think it's that weird to have water type, along with pearls being found in water.
Even if water flowed like time passing Palkia is the space one, so that still doesn't fit...
@@emperorcubone space and time are pretty connected, and i suppose space also is a vast ocean of nothingness, i think it works... enough.... if i had to give palkia any secondary type it would definitely be water imo.
Before vid start here my take for single typed gen 4
Torterra- Has to be Grass due to Infernape having to be Fire type
Monferno- Fire
Infernape- Got to be Fire due to the lack of fire types in Sinnoh games
Empoleon- Has to be Water in order not to be weak to Infernape
Starly- Flying
Staravia- Flying
Staraptor- Flying
Bibarel- Normal
Budew- Grass
Roserade- Grass, but there is an argument for poison
Shieldon- Rock
Bastiodon- Steel
Wormadam Plant- Grass
Wormadam Sandy- Ground
Wormadam Trash- Steel
Mothim- Bug
Combee- Bug
Vespiquen- Bug
Gastrodon- Ground
Drifloon- Ghost
Drifblim- Ghost
Honchkrow- Dark
Stunky- Poison
Skuntank- Poison
Bronzor- Steel
Bronzong- Steel
Mime jr.- Psychic
Spiritomb- Ghost
Gible- Ground
Gabite- Ground
Garchomp- Dragon
Lucario- Fighting
Skorupi- Poison
Drapion- Poison
Croagunk- Fighting
Toxicroak- Fighting
Mantyke- Water
Snover- Grass
Abomasnow- Grass
Weavile- Dark
Magnezone- Steel
Rhyperior- Ground
Togekiss- Fairy
Yanmega- Bug
Ec: Made Yanma Flying so it bares to reason he’ll make Yanmega Flying
Gliscor- Flying
Mamoswine- Ground
Gallade- Fighting
Probopass- Rock
Froslass- Ghost
Rotom- Ghost
Dialga- Steel
Palkia- Water
Giratina- Ghost
Heatran- Steel
Naked Dialga isn't real, it can't hurt me 😭
I don’t know what to say but very cool video 👍👍👍👍👍👍 It was very cool
That's a perfect comment, thank you!!
I remember hearing somewhere that a possible reason why Palkia is Water is because in several cultures space is often referred ro as an Ocean or that all of the creation started from the ocean.
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 To an extent, yeah. Ancient people didn't fully know what outer space was, so they either envisioned an endless ocean, or a finite land with a dome of water or something. Palkia having it makes more sense than one'd think.
Another fact is that Dialga and Palkia takes inspirations from Shinto Mythology. The important part to know is that there are 2 gods who created the world by dipping a jeweled spear into the water.
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Palkia should stay water IMO 'cause I personally believe in "3 states of matter" theory for the 3 legends (dialga = solid = steel, palkia = liquid = water, giratina = gas = ghost)
That'd be fine if Palkia were fluidic at all; if it were even 25% like a Muk it would make so much more sense!
@@emperorcubone I think it's moreso having control over the type of matter than anything but that's fair (like its design should more reflect it)
6:26 honestly, I'd argue the lore and aura thing makes the Lucario line more psychic than steel.
I'm with you there honestly. I get that they wanted to have the Fighting/Steel combo, but then they just muddied the waters by giving it this whole unrelated Aura lore...
@emperorcubone yeah. Would've made more sense on the mienfoo line, given the typing and... aura. Lol big fan
11:24 Palkia is Water-Type because it's Pearl-themed (and pearls come from the sea). The devs chose "diamonds & pearls" as a theme for the Gen 4 games becuase it's a logical progression from the previous gens (Gen 1 titles were colors, Gen 2 were colors that are also jewels, and Gen 3 were jewels, so Gen 4 are also jewels). But all of this is just my opinion/logic, I can't prove any of that.
Love the pokemon snap shots in the background ❤ best game ever
2:40 Ryuji!
Aha, I knew you'd make Palkia a Dragon type.
Lmao watching this right after watching an old episode of mandjtvs about if all pokemon where dual type. What are the odds?
Palkia is probably Water Type because in a lot of creation myths, when physical space is created, the first thing to exist is a sort of primordial sea from which the land emerged.
Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian, some interpretations of Hindu myth, etc.
I think Garchomp should be ground
They're literal land sharks and have the whole desert predator going for them, so its more fitting even if that means not having a dragon pseudo legendary
Monferno?
I haven't even watched past the first 20 seconds and I predict that EC will make the starter final evos only the secondary types. Ie Torterra pure ground, Infernape pure fighting, and Empoleon pure steel. Big flex and still a solid type triangle
Its not a triangle at all empoleon is weak to both
Someone's catching on!!
Cursed thumbnail...
Ready for another Gym Leader Analysis? Roark just as every Rock leader has Geodude and Onix and the one already monotype fossil. Gardenia has the already only Grass Turtwig and CHerubi/Cherrim plus Roserade who now is also just Grass though one Poison Poké would have been fine, too. For Maylene, Meditite and Lucario have changed into mono-Fighting which might make this battle easier even. Crasher Wake has only Floatzel from Sinnoh, so I had to re-check in the other videos for Gyarados and Quagsire who both become just Water, which is kinda a bit sad. With the muddy Safari Zone and the muddy route later, a Ground type would have actually fit him. In fact, Fantina is with Drifblim now the first leader of the region with a Pokemon that changed to another type than the prime. Byron's all three then again turn into just the prime type for being a metal snake, a metal disc and a metal face.
For Candice, let's be honest, I don't really know why she would have Medichamp in an Ice Team anyway. except that it's catchable on the route next door. As Psycho it would be tricky if the Player uses Fighting against the Ice, but who wouldn't just use Fire? Sneasel became pure Ice in Jotho, though hers uses more Dark type attacks - maybe it would be more interesting to evolve it into Dark Weavile. And then there are Snover and Abomasnow, who I personally would have put as pure Grass, because while covered with snow on top, what they ARE is trees. And hers do both have more Grass Attacks. But then again, if we would do both these changes, her team wouldnt have one Ice type; at #7 however that would be a good variety challenge. And it would be something for an Ice leader to not simply take mons that ARE ice but some who despite not being Ice live well in these conditions.
The Electric Volkner is already weird in the first place. In Platinum a pure mono-Electric team, he has in DP two that are randomly mono other types who also have more not-Electric attacks. Like, why was that?? While I would support type variety at such a position, it should at least make sense why he has these pokemon, and then some who have the prime type switching to another type is fine, not when they aren't associated in any way in the first place. So, let's just take the Platinum team which has Electric Pokes but variety in attacks with Luxray biting and Elevoltek punching.
So, in this region a bit boring, if we eliminate the randomness at the end, practically all gym leaders simply end up with a team completely only of their prime type. Only Fantina's Drifblim and Candice's Medichamp would be another type, and that barely constitute mixed type teams. If we don't sanitize Volkner's team, he has a randomly mixed team but that one still feels already kinda weird.
So it's basically the Paldea gym leaders then? 😂 I honestly forgot about this analysis from last time but I love it!
Garbodor should have been a Poison/Steel type pkmn based on Trash Coat Wormadam & to make it weak to fire types.
That's what I said in the Unova Dual Types video! It makes so much sense, and we would've had it so much earlier!
Palkia being part Water type in the actual games does've an actual reason besides the three states of matter theory. Most likely it's so because it represents space. Why does this matter? Because ancient people had thought that space is represented by an endless ocean or a dome of water or something along those lines. So in a way, it does make sense, even if it's very esoteric.
The decisions for the starters was daft
@@phoenixblade8315 Indeed. But removing the idea of a dualtyped Pokémon for this hypothetical would obviously lead to weird decisions, since some designs are made with both typings in mind, not just one.
@@GoinGreninja infernape argument was bad. Fire types are already scarce plus it has literal fire everywhere
@@phoenixblade8315 Agreed. I think he tried to do this to keep the triangle idea going? Even though he himself stated that Empoleon is screwed over by both of them? Coverage exists, obviously. But that isn't enough for something that glaring...
I expectet photoshoped images and got disapoibtet
I would go for Grass for Snover and Abomasnow as they are snow covered trees.
You're not wrong, but that would also leave ONE Ice type in the region...