Brings back memories. :) Especially connecting these cards to 10BaseT network hubs (NOT switches) that likely only did 10Mb at half-duplex. It was also fairly common to have, both on the card and the hub, a "collision" LED which would tell you if another device was trying to transmit at the same time.
I remember this too buddy. Has an 8 port hub when I had a few computers networked on a workgroup and not using a domain controller but I used a 2000 server based dual p3, 512mb ram bus & 18.2gb SCSI hdd as the server. Had name servers setup as I was hosting a website from home as well as dns & ad too. The hub had a collision led too and needed restarting very often - possibly due to packet collisions. Back then we were used to having to do more to achieve less - compared with today or even 2002, when XP was released! Had to change a jumper to change the fsb of a p166mmx to run it at 200mhz & it was noticeably quicker!
Great series, very informative. I am in the middle of setting up a Win 3.11 486 and a lot of what you showed is going to be very handy seeing as how I either forgot or never knew most of this stuff. Cheers
ah, retro networking. Maybe my favorite part. Back in the day it was exciting to add your computer to a network to play games and share files. It surely required some knowledge back then but luckily there was always someone who knew the trick
yeah .. either it just works straight away, or you ended up spending days debugging issues before you were able to find a solution (or had to switch to another card)
It’s funny how 1024x768 used to feel like so many pixels. I would run that on my 1024 interlaced monitor back then. My friend used to tease me about it - “when you move your mouse from one side of the screen to the other, it has to pack for the trip.” Hehe
Really enjoying your in depth coverage of software and drivers as well as the more usual hardware stuff. I'd love to see coverage of retro PCs and contemporary versions of Linux (or even BSD) that you hint at towards the end of this video!
Don’t think my system fits the minimum requirements for windows 10 :) win95 would be doable... have the 1.44mb disk version of win95 on my gotek ... could give that a try :)
@@RetroSpector78 That's one loooonnggg arduous process. i remember installing with over 100 disks. It's a good idea though, to see how that 486 runs it.
I'm just glad that we've standardized (more or less) on ethernet over the years. I remember Arcnet, Token Ring, FDDI, Appletalk, etc. They would need a converter or a bridge for the different networks to talk to each other.
True. Having a configured networked card on a retrogaming pc is often underestimated. I'm glad I did. Now I can access my whole Synology NAS content through ftp and this makes everything so much easier.
Quite interesting that you uploaded this video today. I picked up a 486 DX4 100 on the weekend and have been trying to get networking functioning for a couple of days. I only have a couple of PCI network cards, a D-Link and a Realtek 8139. Can get drivers for both but have had issues. Both cards didn't want to get DHCP details and so I manually assigned the IP. The D-Link just didn't want to work properly. The TCP stack didn't load and couldn't even try and ping anything. The Realtek installed much easier and played nicely with the software. They even provided a similar DOS diagnostic program. When doing some board tests it was failing to even do a loopback ping.
What OS are you using. I always try to sort out the io, irq, mem settings first and get it to pass the vendir diagnostics. Dhcp issues are usually firewall / antivirus / other blocker software related.
@@RetroSpector78 this is all in DOS and Win 3.11. I will have another go tonight and see if I can work out where the issue is. I didn't see anywhere near as many options in the card configuration.
Try to rule out stuff like faulty cables and OS issues. Seems strange that it would work with static but not with dhcp. Tried mTCP yet ? (Also has a dhcp client)
The 3C509 is a great retro network card. My first card was one of these - it had great compatibility with both Windows and Linux (I never used it with DOS though), and with just about every other alternative OS from the mid-90s onward that offered network support..
Running Linux and BSD back in the mid to late 1990s, it was always a relief to find a machine had a 3Com network card as they were so well supported. I'm feeling so nostalgic that I might have to buy a 486 based machine!
@@chriswareham I kid you not ... today I installed linux redhat 4.2 on this machine. First time using the 3com / NFS and digital equipment card / FTP the second time :)
@@RetroSpector78 Wow, Red Hat 4.2, that brings back memories. First version of Linux I installed was Red Hat 3.0.3 from a CD-ROM compilation of various distributions produced by Walnut Creek. With Red Hat 4.2 I felt Linux was beginning to eclipse proprietary Unix like Solaris in terms of usability. I even installed what Red Hat called a "rough cut" of 4.2 onto a Sun SparcStation that became my then employers first web server!
Network card is one of the first upgrades in all of my retro machines. I'm absolutely agreed, that it is extremely beneficial. One question, does anybody know a good FTP client for DOS? And I don't mean some command line tool, but something more user friendly, something Norton Commander like, where I can browse through folders easily? I usually use it in reverse, installing MTCP FTP Server on the retro machine and then copy data from my notebook. Works well, but sometimes I would like to go directly from a retro machine to a server and copy something I need.
Great episode. I've been slowly setting up a FreeDOS pc and have mTCP on it, and was curious about getting Win 3.11 going for file transfer. You answered my questions! Thank You!
Do you have any devices that work with the 15 pin AUI on the Ethernet card? Other than that i got a lot of useful info on getting Windows 3.11 working with networks, especially in this era.
Thanks for the video, I think that I have an IRQ error on my 386 using an UMC 9008F based card, but now I have a rough idea on how to sort it out! As for the file sharing not working, as far as I could work out, DOS based Windows versions can't open shares, or rather, browse shares on servers that require username/password based authentication. Using FTP seems to be the easiest way to copy games and stuff over to the retro PCs.
Hope you get it sorted out. Tried it with a public share that didn’t require a uid / pwd, but also didn’t work ... But like others pointed out it might be fixable by editing the config file directly.
Ahh the DE205 card, I had several. One of the weirder things about the card was you could put the thing in EISA config mode. Where it would b3 configured as if it was an EISA card. Strange beast.
9:00 What about ESP32 small Arduino compatible chips capable to passtrough WiFi - serial port. There is even already made firmware to make it AT modem compatible. I forgot how old machines were able to connect to internet. Could this be via serial or pararell port?
@@RetroSpector78github.com/bozimmerman/Zimodem subethasoftware.com/2018/02/28/wire-up-your-own-rs-232-wifi-modem-for-under-10-using-esp8266-and-zimodem-firmware/ Got this modules recently many different forms, one of easiest ways to test and play on modern hardware is ESP-01 + USB to ESP "programmer" (Got on board usb to serial converter, USB A plug and socket for ESP-01) and voila, it looks like pendrive no wiring needed (almost) makeradvisor.com/esp8266-esp-01-usb-serial-programmer/. As for bread-board testing nodeMCU v2 is recommended cause v3 newest is wider wont allow wiring on single breadboard.
That DE205 card worked well for me in Linux, and I used one in a Linux box from 1999 to probably 2002 or 2003. But it always gave me trouble in any other OS I tried to run. I got a bunch of them from the place I worked at, because they couldn't make them work in Windows. Maybe the 32K setting was the problem.
What videocrabber u use? I have been thinking about starting my own channel and trying to figure couple things up first. Got compaq 5441 with the original mouse, keyb, crt monitor and speakers.
I don’t think it looks really great to be honest. Should spend some more time tweaking. But it is an OSSC upscaler for the low res vga -> hdmi. And then a simple Avermedia for the hdmi -> computer.
@@RetroSpector78 I'm using a USB powered VGA to HDMI adapter that is plugged in to a StarTech USB capture box. Is your Avermedia USB or internal PCIe etc?
Nice catch ... I think I installed it using a disk image at winworld but that one was missing some files. So had to re-install it. But on a default wfw3.11 installation it won’t be in the list.
Regarding file shareing using SAMBA. For WfW3.11 to access it you need to set the protocol to LANMAN. As your GUI does not offer this option, you have to manually modify the setting files.
Nice seeing prt3. What made you choose those io, irq and memory setting. In case i run into future problems. I has that 3com card in my 386 build and it worked. Must have got lucky
A bit confusing that some of those network cards use 25 pin Connectors like the game/midi port. The DEC card looks finicky to setup in comparison to the others.
Oh that file sharing on 98 reminds me of my evil student time: We used to collect IP addresses of users in IRC channels (using /whois I believe) and added them to Window's 95 LMHOSTS file. We could then remotely access any existing network shares on them by entering the respective UNC path in Explorer. You could even print on their shared printers. People just weren't aware that anyone could access their (usually unprotected) shares from the Internet. Those were the days where no personal firewall software existed, passwords were transmitted in clear text and Winnuke could remote bluescreen any Windows 95 PC ;-)
Did you happen to do any performance testing comparing those three network cards (ftp tx/rx speed)? Would be also interesting to see Realtek using own driver vs NE2000. Some early chipsets, like EtherLink 3C501 (asic implementation of 3Coms 3C500 first IBM compatible card from 1982), were only able to buffer one packet in glorious 2KB of ram ;-). 3c509 has 4KB with hard split between receive/transfer configured in eprom. 3c509B extends that to 8KB once again with configurable hard split. NE2000 was just a "standard" describing National Semiconductor DP8390D hardware interface. Real NE1000/2000 cards shipped with 8KB/16KB of ring buffer memory divided into 256 pages - no hard split here should mean better performance. RTL8019AS has build in 16KB SRAM and more or less is just a NE2000 with enhancements (PnP, power saving). I wouldnt be surprised if Realtek turned out to be the fastest of the bunch.
I did do some “basic testing” but the results were a bit all over the place and couldn’t come to a real conclusion. Would have needed to spend some more time to really understand the results but ran out of time. Perhaps I should start a second channel to post some more un-edited stuff that doesn’t require lots of editing and a consistent story line. Cause I don’t really want to post draft / incomplete videos here ...
Absolutely great! All of my retro DOS machines are networked (my laptops are using wireless cards!) Saw that your Synology also supports NFS. You should check out XFS, which is an MS-DOS/Win3.1 NFS client! I recently put together a tutorial on how to connect to a NFS server from MS-DOS using XFS 1.91.. and XFS can also be configured to connect from Windows 3.11 (though I haven't tried it). Wonder if it would work the Synology (you'd have to enable NFS 2.0).
What became of the CF to IDE adapter???? (I'm thinking of getting an identical one, but i heard some people had issues with this model & Win95). Also, can you please post images (.IMA) of the two diskettes for the 3Com network card??? Great set of videos btw !! :D
@11:52 - if you have NOEMS specified, you don't/shouldn't use the FRAME= parameter since you've told the memory manager to not provide EMS emulation. You only need the X= (exclude) parameter from the example provided in the help document.
back in the day at my dorm, i'm using 3com 509b and few of my friends using realtek nic, when there's lightning storm, some of them have to buy a new card.. 3com was my go to nic, 509 for isa n 905 for pci
Those RTL8019-based cards were a dime a dozen back in those days. Almost as ubiquitous as the 3C905 cards! That chip was so good they carried it over to the PCI versions. I miss 3com sometimes.
Does anybody have any good recommendations for books or in-depth tutorials about PC networking? Particularly with a retro focus? I have a bunch of vintage PCs from different eras that I would love to network together, maybe even set up one of those home dial-up servers, but my knowledge of networking is rudimentary at best and I tend to get lost in videos like this one.
Brings me back, I use to slipstream drivers into DOS Client for Workgroup Networks back in the day. mTCP is a total game changer and Windows3.x was always terrible with Networking, mostly with the TCP/IP stack. It would make the system a total RAM hog.
Yeah it works for basic stuff in terms of file sharing ... running stuff in msdos is challenging (memory-wise). Perhaps FreeDOS is better in terms of networking. And mTCP is pretty sweet.
Do you have by any chance drivers/setup utility software for a WINBOND W89C90 based ISA networking card? This is the main chip, and no other information is written on the card. For the love of god, I'm unable to find anything useful, except some high resolution pictures on an ebay sale. (WINBOND W89C90 W2466-10LL 9250 Network Ethernet ISA Card) Thank you.
hmm.. I only have custom compaq version of windows 3.1 on my Compaq Presario 433 with 486 66mhz. I assume I have to install DOS driver for this. can I install ISA network card with Dos driver and connect to same work group with my other Windows 10 machine? My ultimate goal is just to copy some DOS game or files to Presario 433 HDD(200MB) without too much hassle.. It has only 2 ISA slots.
Haven't looked into that ... I would have to assume that there will be a card that runs on windows 98. There is no native wifi support in Win98, so that cards drivers / software would need to do a lot of the heavy lifting, but I am sure there was a vendor who offered a solution for win98.
@@RetroSpector78 done a quick look and found there is ethernet to wifi adapters and no software is needed and it uses a USB plug for power. ordered one and going to see how it goes
@@tomashasek7588 I looked on eBay for that wifi card and found one open box never used so score. i check the d-link site it does support windows 98. So thanks alot
Thanks ... but going to put it aside for now :) time for some new stuff. But liked working with it a lot and could cover a lot more (original mainboard fix, cdrom drive fix, linux install....)
Think I have most of the footage, but there is still an ugly hack in the cdrom drive for it to work that I need to fix properly :) I’m not that good with the mechanical bits and all the plastics. They seem to break as soon as I start looking at them :)
I had a Trident 1024x768x256 color 16bit ISA card (cant remember the model number) back in 1992, i remember it was expensive. I'm thinking of building a 486/33+ system to play with, or at least a P/75 comp which I have all of the parts for right now. I have a couple of old S3 Trios and a Matrox millennium 8mb PCI card I could use. One of these Acer v173 1280x1024 75hz monitors that I have would be great for old school usage. I also have a a 3com Etherlink 16 card and a Conner 420mb hd that still works. I miss the sound of old hds spinning and seeking. I could sleep to them.
As a long time Synology user myself, I strongly recommend creating a new admin account named something else and then disabling the default "admin" account. Reason being is to lower your risk of a ransomeware attack. At the moment (mid 2021) there are some nasty ransomware attacks targeting Synology devices specifically. Also how much memory does this take away from DOS as that can impact the gaming experience.
As far as I remember, the software part of networking setup wasn't actually the problem. Serializing not-properly-crimped RG58/BNC Coax cables through the LAN party location was a challenge. Not ripping them out again when stepping over them was another. And some games, like Doom and Duke3D I believe, required all players to join first before the game could be started: "Oops sorry, I forgot my sound card drivers. Everyone restart please!".
if you're going to use Linux, Debian Etch is the highest I'd consider even using. You can still get the netinstall ISO and do some editing to the apt sources to get it to connect to the debian APT archive instead, but it should install and work. Anything more than Etch is going to run like a dog on such a system, and you'll also want to make sure you have that thing maxed out on RAM.
I like looking at these older distributions and try to install whatever version was around at the time. Finding older software to run on them online is a bit tricky as a lot of the software archives are offline, but you can still find those walnut creek / infomagic / linux developer resource cdroms online that contain lots of software.
I sometimes browse the net on Opera 3.62 or IE 5.5. Outlook 5 doesn't work anymore for me though :( I miss the old Internet.. I miss web 1.0 and web 2.0. I consider this day and age to be web 3.0
Your SMB-problem from 3.11 -> NAS I think is encryption related. I saw some menu on your NAS like "Encryption: Auto" or something. That really shouldn't work under 3.11. If that doesn't work you have to do IPX or NetBeui on your NAS. Oh wait... Damn it's that stupid 2020 again. Well, it's a good excuse to setup a Novell Server I guess. Thanks for the nostalgia! Haven't seen 3c5x9cfg.exe since the 90's. And thanks for keeping the hardware-conflicts away. I am still not recovered from the days of customers that wanted ALL hardware in the same machine. The words "multimedia" and "network" combined is no good start of any day back then. At least 3.11 was stupid enough to do what you told it to. Windows 95...OMG.
I use my 486 with a 3c509b and WiFi bridge for internet and networking. Running Win 3.11 I can access my WD-MyCloud NAS and Flash drive in my Epson Workforce network printer.
Possibily, I did notice it did accept SMB v1 as a minimum protocol version, but perhaps it needs some addtional config somewhere not exposed via the UI.
I have samba running on my raspberry pi and it even works with DOS and windows 3.11. Now maybe it got updated recently and that doesn't work anymore, I don't know ...
@@RetroSpector78 I just checked and newer samba drops lanman auth as it's easy to brute force. Somebody already commented how to enable it again. There is easy how to on wille blog if you google "Access Samba Network Share with Windows 3.11"
In your synology nas, ssh into the thing and edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and add a line "lanman auth = yes" ..you'll also need SMB v1 and check the "min protocol = LANMAN1" ..restart the services. Make sure the guest user is enabled and set a blank password for the user "smbpasswd -L -U fluffy" and hit return. Check the entries in samba/private/smbpasswd
I'd argue that using an Ethernet card with Mtcp on a system with a mechanical HDD is pretty much on the same level of convenience as a CF card. You don't even need to turn the computer off to transfer files!
Yeah, the fact that you don’t need to plug and unplug stuff in the computer is super-handy. If everything is setup properly all files are readily available. And networking is cheaper than a CF-IDE adapter + card.
This is actually a bad thing, pretty much everything those days ships with SMB1 disabled for security reasons, Win10 had it turned off in a 2018 patch. Enabled SMB1 means potential downgrade attacks. WD MyCloud is pretty known for being full of security bugs. They finally patched a backdoor (discovered in 2017) a month ago at the end of September ... they are a shitshow.
Think its always best practice to put your retro network stuff behind your main firewall / gateway (typically provided by your isp). My NAS for example is not accessible from the internet so I guess in that sense it would be “ok” to do it ?
That was a gamechanger. i remember trying out those beta’s .... think I paid 20 euro at the time to a class mate for one of those early win95 beta versions. Think crashed immediately during and after installation :)
Enable MSLANMAN auth on the Synology, this will fix WfW SMB, also ensure DNS is being used rather than WINS for local discovery, static IP also improves WfW startup. Ensure logon to WfW using Synology account as per www.os2museum.com/wp/synology-dsm-6-and-vintage-clients/ This fixed both my WfW probelms and Windows 95 installs, ensure for Windows 95 SOCKS update is installed
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typing ifconfig in windows put a little smile on my face.. how many times we did that vice-versa :)
Indeed ... Classic ;)
Brings back memories. :) Especially connecting these cards to 10BaseT network hubs (NOT switches) that likely only did 10Mb at half-duplex. It was also fairly common to have, both on the card and the hub, a "collision" LED which would tell you if another device was trying to transmit at the same time.
I remember this too buddy.
Has an 8 port hub when I had a few computers networked on a workgroup and not using a domain controller but I used a 2000 server based dual p3, 512mb ram bus & 18.2gb SCSI hdd as the server.
Had name servers setup as I was hosting a website from home as well as dns & ad too.
The hub had a collision led too and needed restarting very often - possibly due to packet collisions.
Back then we were used to having to do more to achieve less - compared with today or even 2002, when XP was released!
Had to change a jumper to change the fsb of a p166mmx to run it at 200mhz & it was noticeably quicker!
Great series, very informative. I am in the middle of setting up a Win 3.11 486 and a lot of what you showed is going to be very handy seeing as how I either forgot or never knew most of this stuff. Cheers
Those network cards bring back so many memories
Haha, for some real nostalgia you should check out my Retro Microsoft Network video ;)
@@RetroSpector78 I saw that one, it was good
ah, retro networking. Maybe my favorite part. Back in the day it was exciting to add your computer to a network to play games and share files. It surely required some knowledge back then but luckily there was always someone who knew the trick
yeah .. either it just works straight away, or you ended up spending days debugging issues before you were able to find a solution (or had to switch to another card)
@@RetroSpector78 can it play vcd/mpeg1 vids ?
It’s funny how 1024x768 used to feel like so many pixels. I would run that on my 1024 interlaced monitor back then. My friend used to tease me about it - “when you move your mouse from one side of the screen to the other, it has to pack for the trip.” Hehe
Pixel overload
Brings back the Good Old Days
Really enjoying your in depth coverage of software and drivers as well as the more usual hardware stuff. I'd love to see coverage of retro PCs and contemporary versions of Linux (or even BSD) that you hint at towards the end of this video!
Yeah that linux video will come ... but first some other retro stuff ... don’t want to show the same hardware for too long in too many videos :)
Wow, this brought back memories! Thank you. Been involved with IT since 1994.
Thanks ... amazing how times have changed right.
@@RetroSpector78 Windows 10 does all of that for you now...well...Windows 95 did to as well. We have come a long way.
Don’t think my system fits the minimum requirements for windows 10 :) win95 would be doable... have the 1.44mb disk version of win95 on my gotek ... could give that a try :)
@@RetroSpector78 That's one loooonnggg arduous process. i remember installing with over 100 disks. It's a good idea though, to see how that 486 runs it.
I'm just glad that we've standardized (more or less) on ethernet over the years. I remember Arcnet, Token Ring, FDDI, Appletalk, etc. They would need a converter or a bridge for the different networks to talk to each other.
True. Having a configured networked card on a retrogaming pc is often underestimated. I'm glad I did. Now I can access my whole Synology NAS content through ftp and this makes everything so much easier.
Quite interesting that you uploaded this video today. I picked up a 486 DX4 100 on the weekend and have been trying to get networking functioning for a couple of days.
I only have a couple of PCI network cards, a D-Link and a Realtek 8139. Can get drivers for both but have had issues. Both cards didn't want to get DHCP details and so I manually assigned the IP.
The D-Link just didn't want to work properly. The TCP stack didn't load and couldn't even try and ping anything.
The Realtek installed much easier and played nicely with the software. They even provided a similar DOS diagnostic program. When doing some board tests it was failing to even do a loopback ping.
What OS are you using. I always try to sort out the io, irq, mem settings first and get it to pass the vendir diagnostics. Dhcp issues are usually firewall / antivirus / other blocker software related.
@@RetroSpector78 this is all in DOS and Win 3.11. I will have another go tonight and see if I can work out where the issue is. I didn't see anywhere near as many options in the card configuration.
Try to rule out stuff like faulty cables and OS issues. Seems strange that it would work with static but not with dhcp. Tried mTCP yet ? (Also has a dhcp client)
Nice Networking cards collection that you have
Have boxes full of them... nic’s don’t always get the love they deserve :)
Awesome
Nostalgia ❤️🌌
The 3C509 is a great retro network card. My first card was one of these - it had great compatibility with both Windows and Linux (I never used it with DOS though), and with just about every other alternative OS from the mid-90s onward that offered network support..
Never had much issue with the 3com cards. Like the look of them (green / yellow) and overall the drivers are pretty solid.
Running Linux and BSD back in the mid to late 1990s, it was always a relief to find a machine had a 3Com network card as they were so well supported. I'm feeling so nostalgic that I might have to buy a 486 based machine!
@@chriswareham I kid you not ... today I installed linux redhat 4.2 on this machine. First time using the 3com / NFS and digital equipment card / FTP the second time :)
@@RetroSpector78 Wow, Red Hat 4.2, that brings back memories. First version of Linux I installed was Red Hat 3.0.3 from a CD-ROM compilation of various distributions produced by Walnut Creek. With Red Hat 4.2 I felt Linux was beginning to eclipse proprietary Unix like Solaris in terms of usability. I even installed what Red Hat called a "rough cut" of 4.2 onto a Sun SparcStation that became my then employers first web server!
This is definitely my "go to" card for retro ISA systems!
Really enjoyed this series,it's a great computer too
Thx ... appreciate it ... but time for something else now ... IBM value point is up next.
@@RetroSpector78 I have a few classic IBM machines in storage waiting for me to repair them
Nostalgia overload, enjoyed it. 👍
Thx a lot. Glad you liked it !
Brings back memories. I love watching and doing these types of vids!
I see atrain in that games list at 18:20. I vaguely remember playing that....and the msdos version of Transport Tycoon. Good times 👍.
Those text-based menus and programs...
Norton Commander! Nice! :)
Network card is one of the first upgrades in all of my retro machines. I'm absolutely agreed, that it is extremely beneficial. One question, does anybody know a good FTP client for DOS? And I don't mean some command line tool, but something more user friendly, something Norton Commander like, where I can browse through folders easily? I usually use it in reverse, installing MTCP FTP Server on the retro machine and then copy data from my notebook. Works well, but sometimes I would like to go directly from a retro machine to a server and copy something I need.
Haven’t found one yet ... been asking myself the same question many times.
Great episode. I've been slowly setting up a FreeDOS pc and have mTCP on it, and was curious about getting Win 3.11 going for file transfer. You answered my questions! Thank You!
Do you have any devices that work with the 15 pin AUI on the Ethernet card? Other than that i got a lot of useful info on getting Windows 3.11 working with networks, especially in this era.
Been working on a Victor 386 and got as far as the Microsoft ftp client. Thank you for showing me the way forwad! :)
Thanks for the video, I think that I have an IRQ error on my 386 using an UMC 9008F based card, but now I have a rough idea on how to sort it out! As for the file sharing not working, as far as I could work out, DOS based Windows versions can't open shares, or rather, browse shares on servers that require username/password based authentication. Using FTP seems to be the easiest way to copy games and stuff over to the retro PCs.
Hope you get it sorted out. Tried it with a public share that didn’t require a uid / pwd, but also didn’t work ... But like others pointed out it might be fixable by editing the config file directly.
Ahh the DE205 card, I had several. One of the weirder things about the card was you could put the thing in EISA config mode. Where it would b3 configured as if it was an EISA card. Strange beast.
9:00 What about ESP32 small Arduino compatible chips capable to passtrough WiFi - serial port. There is even already made firmware to make it AT modem compatible. I forgot how old machines were able to connect to internet. Could this be via serial or pararell port?
That would make a fun project ... gotta write that down :)
@@RetroSpector78 This looks interesting: Arachne web browser, built for DOS. www.kompx.com/en/arachne-web-browser-for-dos.htm#arachne-download-links
@@RetroSpector78github.com/bozimmerman/Zimodem subethasoftware.com/2018/02/28/wire-up-your-own-rs-232-wifi-modem-for-under-10-using-esp8266-and-zimodem-firmware/ Got this modules recently many different forms, one of easiest ways to test and play on modern hardware is ESP-01 + USB to ESP "programmer" (Got on board usb to serial converter, USB A plug and socket for ESP-01) and voila, it looks like pendrive no wiring needed (almost) makeradvisor.com/esp8266-esp-01-usb-serial-programmer/. As for bread-board testing nodeMCU v2 is recommended cause v3 newest is wider wont allow wiring on single breadboard.
Great work nice stuff...
That DE205 card worked well for me in Linux, and I used one in a Linux box from 1999 to probably 2002 or 2003. But it always gave me trouble in any other OS I tried to run. I got a bunch of them from the place I worked at, because they couldn't make them work in Windows. Maybe the 32K setting was the problem.
What videocrabber u use? I have been thinking about starting my own channel and trying to figure couple things up first. Got compaq 5441 with the original mouse, keyb, crt monitor and speakers.
Great video! May I ask what capture device you're using to capture what you're doing in DOS as that looks crystal clear? :)
I don’t think it looks really great to be honest. Should spend some more time tweaking. But it is an OSSC upscaler for the low res vga -> hdmi. And then a simple Avermedia for the hdmi -> computer.
@@RetroSpector78 I'm using a USB powered VGA to HDMI adapter that is plugged in to a StarTech USB capture box.
Is your Avermedia USB or internal PCIe etc?
Isn't "Microsoft TCP/IP-32 3.11b" already in the list at 6:28? Are they same or not?
Nice catch ... I think I installed it using a disk image at winworld but that one was missing some files. So had to re-install it. But on a default wfw3.11 installation it won’t be in the list.
What do the RED/GREEN led’s indicate on the network card ? What is RED for ?
Green is connection status (is cable plugged in properly). Amber is traffic.
Ahhhh......the old days of flashing lights just like Star Trek and the gang. Cheers
WSFTP is still a wonderful FTP client. I use it on Windows 10, works great
Couldn't agree more!!
Regarding file shareing using SAMBA. For WfW3.11 to access it you need to set the protocol to LANMAN. As your GUI does not offer this option, you have to manually modify the setting files.
Yeah someone else also pointed that out. Might need to take a look. But don’t wanna risk introducing security issues in my network here :)
So many memories!
Nice seeing prt3. What made you choose those io, irq and memory setting. In case i run into future problems. I has that 3com card in my 386 build and it worked. Must have got lucky
I typically go for io=300 and irq=10 when
i have a soundcard installed. These are typically available then.
A bit confusing that some of those network cards use 25 pin Connectors like the game/midi port. The DEC card looks finicky to setup in comparison to the others.
Oh that file sharing on 98 reminds me of my evil student time: We used to collect IP addresses of users in IRC channels (using /whois I believe) and added them to Window's 95 LMHOSTS file. We could then remotely access any existing network shares on them by entering the respective UNC path in Explorer. You could even print on their shared printers. People just weren't aware that anyone could access their (usually unprotected) shares from the Internet. Those were the days where no personal firewall software existed, passwords were transmitted in clear text and Winnuke could remote bluescreen any Windows 95 PC ;-)
Did you happen to do any performance testing comparing those three network cards (ftp tx/rx speed)? Would be also interesting to see Realtek using own driver vs NE2000.
Some early chipsets, like EtherLink 3C501 (asic implementation of 3Coms 3C500 first IBM compatible card from 1982), were only able to buffer one packet in glorious 2KB of ram ;-). 3c509 has 4KB with hard split between receive/transfer configured in eprom. 3c509B extends that to 8KB once again with configurable hard split. NE2000 was just a "standard" describing National Semiconductor DP8390D hardware interface. Real NE1000/2000 cards shipped with 8KB/16KB of ring buffer memory divided into 256 pages - no hard split here should mean better performance. RTL8019AS has build in 16KB SRAM and more or less is just a NE2000 with enhancements (PnP, power saving).
I wouldnt be surprised if Realtek turned out to be the fastest of the bunch.
I did do some “basic testing” but the results were a bit all over the place and couldn’t come to a real conclusion. Would have needed to spend some more time to really understand the results but ran out of time. Perhaps I should start a second channel to post some more un-edited stuff that doesn’t require lots of editing and a consistent story line. Cause I don’t really want to post draft / incomplete videos here ...
Absolutely great! All of my retro DOS machines are networked (my laptops are using wireless cards!) Saw that your Synology also supports NFS. You should check out XFS, which is an MS-DOS/Win3.1 NFS client! I recently put together a tutorial on how to connect to a NFS server from MS-DOS using XFS 1.91.. and XFS can also be configured to connect from Windows 3.11 (though I haven't tried it). Wonder if it would work the Synology (you'd have to enable NFS 2.0).
xfs32 may be another option as well! Has an installer that you can run in Windows 3.11. Haven't tried it, but I think it will work!
Will check it out ... Used NFS to install redhat on it but never tought about looking for a dos/win client for it :) Thanks for the info!
What became of the CF to IDE adapter???? (I'm thinking of getting an identical one, but i heard some people had issues with this model & Win95).
Also, can you please post images (.IMA) of the two diskettes for the 3Com network card???
Great set of videos btw !! :D
@11:52 - if you have NOEMS specified, you don't/shouldn't use the FRAME= parameter since you've told the memory manager to not provide EMS emulation. You only need the X= (exclude) parameter from the example provided in the help document.
back in the day at my dorm, i'm using 3com 509b and few of my friends using realtek nic, when there's lightning storm, some of them have to buy a new card.. 3com was my go to nic, 509 for isa n 905 for pci
Those RTL8019-based cards were a dime a dozen back in those days. Almost as ubiquitous as the 3C905 cards! That chip was so good they carried it over to the PCI versions. I miss 3com sometimes.
Hi. Can you add some links to these drivers? Thanks.
Does anybody have any good recommendations for books or in-depth tutorials about PC networking? Particularly with a retro focus?
I have a bunch of vintage PCs from different eras that I would love to network together, maybe even set up one of those home dial-up servers, but my knowledge of networking is rudimentary at best and I tend to get lost in videos like this one.
I use a 3-COM card in my 486DX4-100, but my download speed is approx 50KB per second (from ftp sites). How do you get 530KB/s?
i love wireless networking and sharing drives etc
Grab a DOS laptop and a Cisco Aironet 350 for some great times! DOS wireless networking for the win!!
3c509, good choice along with the 3c590 PCI card was really robust. Had early support using Red Hat Linux
Brings me back, I use to slipstream drivers into DOS Client for Workgroup Networks back in the day. mTCP is a total game changer and Windows3.x was always terrible with Networking, mostly with the TCP/IP stack. It would make the system a total RAM hog.
Yeah it works for basic stuff in terms of file sharing ... running stuff in msdos is challenging (memory-wise). Perhaps FreeDOS is better in terms of networking. And mTCP is pretty sweet.
Do you have by any chance drivers/setup utility software for a WINBOND W89C90 based ISA networking card? This is the main chip, and no other information is written on the card. For the love of god, I'm unable to find anything useful, except some high resolution pictures on an ebay sale. (WINBOND W89C90 W2466-10LL 9250 Network Ethernet ISA Card)
Thank you.
hmm.. I only have custom compaq version of windows 3.1 on my Compaq Presario 433 with 486 66mhz. I assume I have to install DOS driver for this.
can I install ISA network card with Dos driver and connect to same work group with my other Windows 10 machine?
My ultimate goal is just to copy some DOS game or files to Presario 433 HDD(200MB) without too much hassle.. It has only 2 ISA slots.
Are there any wifi cards that work for windows 98?
Haven't looked into that ... I would have to assume that there will be a card that runs on windows 98. There is no native wifi support in Win98, so that cards drivers / software would need to do a lot of the heavy lifting, but I am sure there was a vendor who offered a solution for win98.
@@RetroSpector78 done a quick look and found there is ethernet to wifi adapters and no software is needed and it uses a USB plug for power. ordered one and going to see how it goes
I used D-Link DWL-G510 wifi card in one from my earlier Windows 98 builds and it works great.
@@tomashasek7588 I looked on eBay for that wifi card and found one open box never used so score. i check the d-link site it does support windows 98. So thanks alot
Very interesting again, thank you very much! 👌👍
Thanks ... but going to put it aside for now :) time for some new stuff. But liked working with it a lot and could cover a lot more (original mainboard fix, cdrom drive fix, linux install....)
@@RetroSpector78 would like to see the CD Rom fix sometime in the future
Think I have most of the footage, but there is still an ugly hack in the cdrom drive for it to work that I need to fix properly :) I’m not that good with the mechanical bits and all the plastics. They seem to break as soon as I start looking at them :)
I can't wait for the ValuePoints!
They are coming ... promise ... have lots more material on this one but it’s IBM time now :)
Yeah!
I had a Trident 1024x768x256 color 16bit ISA card (cant remember the model number) back in 1992, i remember it was expensive. I'm thinking of building a 486/33+ system to play
with, or at least a P/75 comp which I have all of the parts for right now. I have a couple of old S3 Trios and a Matrox millennium 8mb PCI card I could use. One of these Acer v173 1280x1024 75hz monitors that I have would be great for old school usage. I also have a a 3com Etherlink 16 card and a Conner 420mb hd that still works. I miss the sound of old hds spinning and seeking. I could sleep to them.
10BASE2 BNC connectors! The great thing about those is you could do simple networking without buying an expensive (at the time) network hub.
how about overclocking it to 133Mhz?
Nice TCP video
As a long time Synology user myself, I strongly recommend creating a new admin account named something else and then disabling the default "admin" account. Reason being is to lower your risk of a ransomeware attack. At the moment (mid 2021) there are some nasty ransomware attacks targeting Synology devices specifically. Also how much memory does this take away from DOS as that can impact the gaming experience.
As far as I remember, the software part of networking setup wasn't actually the problem. Serializing not-properly-crimped RG58/BNC Coax cables through the LAN party location was a challenge. Not ripping them out again when stepping over them was another. And some games, like Doom and Duke3D I believe, required all players to join first before the game could be started: "Oops sorry, I forgot my sound card drivers. Everyone restart please!".
That and the poor guy who had to leave the party early with his coaxial connected pc :)
@@RetroSpector78 LMAO yes he had time to take a pee ;-)
I just set up an etherlink iii on my 486 a month ago. Funny coincidence.
Learned lots! Great video!
if you're going to use Linux, Debian Etch is the highest I'd consider even using. You can still get the netinstall ISO and do some editing to the apt sources to get it to connect to the debian APT archive instead, but it should install and work. Anything more than Etch is going to run like a dog on such a system, and you'll also want to make sure you have that thing maxed out on RAM.
I like looking at these older distributions and try to install whatever version was around at the time. Finding older software to run on them online is a bit tricky as a lot of the software archives are offline, but you can still find those walnut creek / infomagic / linux developer resource cdroms online that contain lots of software.
Beautiful PC!
Yeah ... been enjoying it a lot. Installed redhat 4.1 on it today :) that will also make for a nice video.
I sometimes browse the net on Opera 3.62 or IE 5.5. Outlook 5 doesn't work anymore for me though :( I miss the old Internet.. I miss web 1.0 and web 2.0. I consider this day and age to be web 3.0
at 1:44 I briefly thought my iPad just dropped in to ms-dos 🙈
Haha ... I feel ya ... had the same thing yesterday when I saw Windows 3.11 on my
2020 macbook pro :)
When I saw the logo on the first network card I thought for a moment it was from Interplay :D
Haha ... never noticed that ! :)
Your SMB-problem from 3.11 -> NAS I think is encryption related. I saw some menu on your NAS like "Encryption: Auto" or something. That really shouldn't work under 3.11. If that doesn't work you have to do IPX or NetBeui on your NAS. Oh wait... Damn it's that stupid 2020 again. Well, it's a good excuse to setup a Novell Server I guess. Thanks for the nostalgia! Haven't seen 3c5x9cfg.exe since the 90's. And thanks for keeping the hardware-conflicts away. I am still not recovered from the days of customers that wanted ALL hardware in the same machine. The words "multimedia" and "network" combined is no good start of any day back then. At least 3.11 was stupid enough to do what you told it to. Windows 95...OMG.
Thx for the tips ! Will check it ...
exellent video!
I use my 486 with a 3c509b and WiFi bridge for internet and networking. Running Win 3.11 I can access my WD-MyCloud NAS and Flash drive in my Epson Workforce network printer.
Newer versions of samba dropped some unsafe older protocols. I think that's why Synology won't allow 3.11 to connect.
Possibily, I did notice it did accept SMB v1 as a minimum protocol version, but perhaps it needs some addtional config somewhere not exposed via the UI.
I have it working on my Gentoo NAS with Samba 4.something. I haven’t tried Win3.x, but I did get it working from Win95. It takes some tweaking.
@@nickwallette6201 Here the synology nas works with win98 (and I assume also with win95), but not with win 3.11
I have samba running on my raspberry pi and it even works with DOS and windows 3.11.
Now maybe it got updated recently and that doesn't work anymore, I don't know ...
@@RetroSpector78 I just checked and newer samba drops lanman auth as it's easy to brute force. Somebody already commented how to enable it again. There is easy how to on wille blog if you google "Access Samba Network Share with Windows 3.11"
In your synology nas, ssh into the thing and edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and add a line "lanman auth = yes" ..you'll also need SMB v1 and check the "min protocol = LANMAN1" ..restart the services. Make sure the guest user is enabled and set a blank password for the user "smbpasswd -L -U fluffy" and hit return. Check the entries in samba/private/smbpasswd
thanks ... might give that a try.
I'd argue that using an Ethernet card with Mtcp on a system with a mechanical HDD is pretty much on the same level of convenience as a CF card. You don't even need to turn the computer off to transfer files!
Yeah, the fact that you don’t need to plug and unplug stuff in the computer is super-handy. If everything is setup properly all files are readily available. And networking is cheaper than a CF-IDE adapter + card.
damn windows 3.11 was actually quite pretty!
I like windows nt 3.51 workstation better
I still have EtherLink III ISA in my box.
Epic!!
Wut is 10 base t
You have got to edit the configs for Samba manually. But by now you already know this.
🥳
1st and 2nd gen. WD MyCloud NAS drives work with WIn3x.
This is actually a bad thing, pretty much everything those days ships with SMB1 disabled for security reasons, Win10 had it turned off in a 2018 patch. Enabled SMB1 means potential downgrade attacks.
WD MyCloud is pretty known for being full of security bugs. They finally patched a backdoor (discovered in 2017) a month ago at the end of September ... they are a shitshow.
Think its always best practice to put your retro network stuff behind your main firewall / gateway (typically provided by your isp). My NAS for example is not accessible from the internet so I guess in that sense it would be “ok” to do it ?
i have the asante 10/100/100 fd network pci rev b card
I see a few Futurama references in here...
Samba Servers!
Stick around for my redhat 4.1 install on this one :)
@@RetroSpector78 Samba in Classic mode can support Windows 3.1, DOS, DEC Pathworrks, and LanTastic Clients.
DB15 = AUI network connection
a 486 DX4-100 is easily capable of running Windows 95, I'd go for that instead. Easier to use than 3.11.
Win3.x has a certain charm though. You hardly even need a 2-button mouse! ;-)
It was purely for nostalgia :) Even forgot you could install high-res drivers in win3.11. Was so used to that standard resolution.
great upload ... never liked 3.11 back in day tbf , wasn't exactly user friendly , was a god send when win95 came out
That was a gamechanger. i remember trying out those beta’s .... think I paid 20 euro at the time to a class mate for one of those early win95 beta versions. Think crashed immediately during and after installation :)
Enable MSLANMAN auth on the Synology, this will fix WfW SMB, also ensure DNS is being used rather than WINS for local discovery, static IP also improves WfW startup. Ensure logon to WfW using Synology account as per www.os2museum.com/wp/synology-dsm-6-and-vintage-clients/
This fixed both my WfW probelms and Windows 95 installs, ensure for Windows 95 SOCKS update is installed
Please upload more Linux content
lol this had 486 likes before i thumbed up
'More modern windows 98 installation.'
Well, relativity I guess.
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