Rivian’s EV Route Planner Might Mislead You! Why Is A Better Route Planner Not Integrated Yet?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- Episode 406: Join Francie and Jordan as they chat about where Rivian's EV Route Planning software and functionality does well and does poorly - including misleading you by prioritizing the Rivian Adventure Network to a fault. Where is A Better Route Planner software in Rivian's native software you ask? We're not sure when we'll see that. Plug in for the details.
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Sorry guys but we're not seeing this at all in our R1T DM Max, either on our recent 4,500 mile road trip to Texas and back, or just right now with the current software version route planning to Ft. Collins, is there maybe something weird about your press vehicle? -
I doubt they are prioritizing RAN locations specifically, rather they are prioritizing high quality chargers of which RAN is traditionally higher than the rest. It's almost like they need to load balance to avoid sending too much traffic to the same places.
Wife and I went to the Rivian event in Normal a few months ago. We have an R1T Dual Motor with Max pack. We relied on the Rivian software to get us there and back. Didn't need to stop going there but decided to stop in Bloomington for our return. Unfortunately, it routed other R1 drivers to the same spot, so we ended up waiting over an hour to charge up. This was in a Walmart parking lot so of course one of the chargers was down, which didn't help. We set the destination for home (St. Louis area). Our SOC was 80%, it still added a charge stop even though we had enough range to get home. I believe our SOC was going to be under 20% upon arrival. I could delete the extra stop, but it would keep wanting to add it back in. After driving awhile, it re-calculated we would arrive with more than 20% SOC so at that point I was able to remove the extra stop without it trying to add it back on the route. We haven't done enough road tripping yet to feel comfortable letting the SOC get below 20% before stopping to charge. I think most of that is due to our fear that the place we stop to charge won't be available when we get there, and we would need to find something else in range.
If only you could fill up the 7 seater SUV with 7 people and see what is the most enjoyable. Those cannonball runs with no a/c in 106° heat outside would lead to divorces in any real family.
I'd love to see live charger-in-use data that is accurate.
Hey Francie! Rivian acquiring ABRP seems to be as slow an integration as Google acquiring Waze. Seems like they are both walking that line between data sharing and independence.
A frustrating item for me is while you're actually plugged in and charging. Unlike Tesla, the planner won't show negative percentages or miles at your destination. It's just a red battery. It makes it hard to manually gauge how much longer you need to stay. The mileage at destination also doesn't update frequently enough.
I’ve traveled 6k miles in 3 months on several cross country road trips. The easy solution is to use ABRP to plan the overall trip, then use RIVIAN nav to get from SC to SC. If you want to do long road trips, you better buy the A2Z NACS adapter and try to use Tesla SCs exclusively. Rivian displays mostly accurate availability info about Tesla SCs. You can program ABRP to prefer only Tesla SCs when routing the trip. The Rivian nav works just fine if you want to add in a Starbucks as an interim stop while you’re driving your route. If you must use EA, EV connect, and/or Chargepoint, then download the Apps for each and use them to verify availability before deciding to route to it. Rivian cannot read the Charger availability of any but Tesla.
Just yesterday I completed an 8000 mile road trip around US and Canada in Model Y and I used both tesla build in route planning and ABRP and I have to say both route planners have a lot they could improve on. Tesla biggest problem was that there is no way to see or add 3rd party chargers which on couple of occasions saved me a lot of time and stress. ABRP on the other hand has so many settings that if you don't have them tuned just right will also be way off in its planning. But both of them suffered from general poor estimation of the arrival SOC at the next charger and on few occasions they were off by over 20% which can leave you stranded in places like Wyoming or northern Michigan. So it sounds like all system have lot of work left on them before someone new to EV could comfortably rely on. Tesla might be ahead of competition but not by much and still very far from perfect
The SOC% on arrival is such a no-Brainer improvement. The only surprising thing is that Wassym & his team (who seem to be awesome others) either can’t or won’t do this. I think it’s “won’t” but it’s not clear what is higher priority for what seems like a pretty easy change.
I've been happy with ABRP. Was genuinely surprised to see Rivian did not give battery percentage. Side note, my experience roadtripping a 2024 id4 with route planning and plug and charge at EA stations has been great.
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I had this same problem happen to me a few months ago when I went to Death Valley. On my way to and the way back to the Baker EA station, the Rivian nav both ways wanted me to go to the Las Vegas RAN. Then to some other back road and charge at a level two charger to continue on to Death Valley. And then the same to get back to the EA stations. No matter how far I traveled down the road I was taking to get to Death Valley.
Another issue is the car doesn't remember route plan settings. When you tell it 10% arrival or something, the next time you plan a route they have all reset like to 20%. 20% in my max pack is sixty miles. If I can cut one 30-60 minute stop on a long trip, I'll take it.
I have 44k mi in a Rivian and this is definitely a problem. Not only does it like to pick Rivian chargers and reverse your progress if it thinks you cannot make it to a DCFC, but it also HATES to arrive at a DCFC with a low SOC even when you've selected a super low arrival SOC. On multiple road trips it will want me to DCFC from 60%-90% instead of getting to a DCFC at 20% which is further down the road...even when arrival SOC is set low. Route planning is one of the worst features of the Rivian. Otherwise it's a mostly fantastic experience.
Nice Constructive feedback!
Every time you show a map of the fast chargers across the US, Duluth shows up as a location. Soooo frustrating you keep ignoring to address this. Duluth Does Not Have A Fast DC Charger! Zef Energy took it out as they don’t maintain their stuff. You’re SOL trying to drive up the North Shore except for a couple level 2 chargers. Grand Maraise and Grand Portage as well Do Not Have Fast Chargers. Zef Energy again does not maintain their stuff. You have to reserve a campsite and charge overnight on an RV outlet. Ford and GM dealerships on the map also do not let the public charge there period.
I just planned a trip on the Rivian app from Loveland CO to St. George UT. I set the arrival percent charge to 10%. I selected Rivian EA and Tesla with adapter for stations. it said 60 miles at Tesla in Edwards. 100miles at Tesla in Rifle. 74 miles at green River EA. 98 miles at Tesla in Richfield. 67 miles at St. George. We like to stop at St. George because there is a restaurant on top of a mesa with a great view.
I have a GV-60. So I tend to use ABRP or Chargeway to plan the route, Waze for most of the driving guidance, but then I’m forced into the Genesis route planner to trigger preconditioning.
Built in route planning should NOT be compatible with out of spec style "run it to zero" style road tripping.