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I'm just five minutes in and the the group is fully debunking Hank's theory that it would be too large to hold a conversation - the chemistry is excellent
I didn't even think of that! I was just listing ewvery single banana-containing thing I could remember seeing on supermarket aisles. Not as flavouring but as ingredient. So many smoothies, plus loads of desserts, cakes, pies, there's dried banana slices either on their own or as part of nut and fruti mixes, cereal and fruit bars, the little plastic boxes with those "one of your 5 a day" and it's a mix of various small fruits or chopped fruit. All these require specialist factories and someone in that logistics stream has got to be peeling a lot of bananas.
Banana blossoms (aka banana hearts) are used in Filipino cuisine! My two personal faves are (1) cooking it in coconut milk (ginataan), and (2) turning it into a fried burger patty and pairing it with banana ketchup 😋
Purple bird feeder is what my adult kids called the banana flower when they first saw them over the fence as they attracted beautiful honey eaters ( tropical birds) to our yard
I loved this episode! I feel like Sam has been desensitized to the shenanigans of scientists and science, having guests with different backgrounds makes this so much fun!! More everyday people! (Also, more episodes about specific foods would be awesome, the explanation on the banana genes was so deliciously satisfying. If we are to survive we need to know our foods 😂)
Came here from Spotify just to say that this was great! Loved the chaotic energy, and seeing the AIP team is always a joy. Also I'm very happy to see Stefan back!!
I think one of the most important things about bananas is that artificial banana flavor in candies and whatnot does NOT taste like modern bananas at all. It tastes like the extinct variety that was popular in the 1940s a 1950s when chemical flavorings were developed to match natural plants.
"Yes, sir. Although, funnily enough, [banana]'s not actually a fruit, sir." "Really?" "Yes, sir. Botanically, it's a type of fish, sir." Sir Terry Pratchett
I was already hyped up for this episode seeing that it's a collab with Answer in Progress, and that Stefan is a guest too. 10 minutes in and I'm already having to pause because I'm laughing so much that I can't focus on what they're saying anymore.
Hey, you used my question! Thanks! Ceri, thank you for the deep dive, that's pretty much exactly what I was wondering about. Having such a monoculture makes them extremely vulnerable to pathogens.
On the topic of spare banana peels, due to strict regulations on the size and shape (including angle?) of bananas, there are a ridiculous number of bananas discarded in farms each year. Here in Australia, 37,000 tonnes of bananas are discarded from farms every year. So the banana peel and banana waste issue is significant, and in fact I personally am a consumer of green banana flour, which I believe is made from the peel and banana itself, although i have never thought to make pasta with it :)
Interesting, in the United States they've stopped doing this and we have lots of bananas now that are huge or tiny or super curved or not curved at all in the stores. They all taste like cavendish but they are a variety of shapes and sizes. I actually had a bunch that was the size of a toddler's baseball bat! I think with the fungal disease causing problems they're starting to accept resistant mutations regardless of what they look like as long as they still taste about the same. The thing that confuses me though is there is a ton of different varieties of bananas many of which have unique flavors that are just absolutely exquisite. I have no idea why the majority of stores only stock cavendish other than political reasons. I recently brought some of the other varieties which by the way are never labeled as what they are so you just have to know what they look like, to my office for people to try and everyone was blown away. They just kept saying I thought they all tasted the same! This is incredible it's got this extra tang and it's sweeter. It tastes like apples. It tastes like a strawberry! It tastes like pineapple!! I guess one difference is is that the other varieties aren't exposed to a gas to make them ripen quicker because faster ripening seems to leave them with some texture issues, but other than that I have no idea. I'm thankful that there's this one Asian market out of many Asian markets mind you where I live that just gets in piles of random varieties of bananas throughout the year.
Bananas USED to taste better, with stronger flavor, but because the better bananas were mostly being made in the same geographic area, every clone died to the same disease. We've been chasing that better banana since
For what it's worth we didn't actually lose that original variety we just lost it for commercial production. This means that we can actually compare it to other varieties and I've actually heard that in the many decades since it's decline the gross Michelle is actually no longer the most flavorful variety out there. I recently had something that was marked as a cavendish but it tasted like banana candy and I am suspicious that that came out of a breeding program related to the original gross Michelle. Especially given the fact that it was about 2 to 4 times the size of Cavendish that I see for sale regularly now. The reason I say two to four times is because there's basically two sizes that I see for sale regularly one about half the size of the other at the moment. Edit: by breeding program I mean the weird monster stuff that we do with their genetics not literal crossing. It's still breeding program even if it's not actually pretty okay let's just call it a genetics program 😂😂
Simply tremendous Pod. I would love to see a similarly (large format) attended in the future. Combination of informative and hilarious. During "difficult times" we all need more of this type of YTube content. Thanks.
This episode was a BLAST!! Thoroughly enjoyed this one! Thank you weird outsiders (AKA the Answer in Progress gang) for entertaining us....or at least me...a lot.
21:21 Like a kiwi? Nonononoooo thanks. I did that once and the "hairs" on the skin made my throat itch for what felt like hours (I was 12 at the time - I wasn't watching the clock). Never again!
Philippine ketchup is made with bananas, which is interesting for a very cool reason. If you like food, or history, or food history, definitely read on: When the Portuguese first started visiting Asia by ship, they fell in love with the fermented fish sauces they found everywhere. It didn't transport very well, so they tried replicating it in Europe, but they just didn't have the right fish species or methodology to match the Asian sauces. This started a culinary craze to find the most delicious combination of fermented ingredients, which gave us Worcestershire and mushroom or fish ketchup and a bunch of other things. The tomato variety only became the norm when Henry Heinz blew America away with one of the best ad campaigns ever. On the brink of bankruptcy, he gambled with a new tomato recipe that would keep its colour, packing it in clear glass to advertise the new recipe. It hardly needs to be said how iconic that bottle became, and it did so almost as soon as it hit the market. It replaced all other ketchup types. He standardized not only the tomato variety, but the "K" spelling as well. Then, when America occupied the Philippines after WWII, the locals loved the Heinz ketchup they were getting from the army. But it was expensive to import in bulk, and tomatoes weren't growing well in the region, so they started trying other ingredients, and eventually settled on bananas. So Philippine ketchup is the result of a fascination and desire to imitate foreign sauces circumnavigating the globe and those sauces changing based on whatever a region thought would work best locally. Nearly the exact same situation repeated itself 400 years apart. It's poetry in motion.
"Who is buying pre-peeled bananas?" Also indstrial processes! Think of any pre-made dessert that contains banana. Any smoothies and juices that contain banana. Somewhere along the line there's got to be a big warehouse where all those bananas are being peeled before being used to make some product.
i laughed outloud through this whole ep :D The number of players worked great, I could totally follow everyone's contributions and asides and call-backs - LOVE IT! Combining two established performing troupes works so well on Tangents 😂😂😂😂😂 Also so good to see Stephan again!!!👋👋👋
Interesting that "banana" might come from an Arabic word since the Latin name "musa" for the genus also comes from what is currently the Arabic word for banana, "muz"/"mawz" (depends on the dialect), which has its own long history of being loaned in a chain of languages all the way from Papua through Malaysia, India, and Persia.
12:10 It's technically correct to call bananas an herb, the term's just super broad in proper botanical use. It's just anything upright, non-woody, and not grass-like.
Is the fact that a strawberry is an accessory fruit one of the reasons that the garden strawberry wasn't really domesticated until about 250 years ago?
Strawberries were domesticated way before then by the native Americans and started as a hybrid between two American species. They did not become domesticated to the general world population and tell the Americas were discovered. And then very intensive breeding programs upscaled the fruit rapidly but the foundation of domestication and strawberries goes back way further than 250 years. The real question is why Europeans who also had their own species of strawberries didn't think to try and selectively breathe them and tell after they'd seen what the native Americans made. Both lineages continue to be domesticated, but the really big ones are the ones from The Americas because they got a jump start. Sorry I hope that is readable I'm using voice to text from hand injury and it's getting a couple of words not quite right.
The argument that vegetable don't exist is from the fact the 'vegetable' isn't a valid category in scientific taxonomy. However, 'Arguments That Debunk Vegetables' is not a valid category in scientific taxonomy and therefore doesn't exist. There is no such thing as an argument that debunks vegetables
It's funny and a bit disconcerting that you'll call them kiwi and not kiwifruit, because that means something different in the te reo* and colloquial language of the country of origin of that word. *reo, the×2 is funny too.
I am with the Ceri and Melissa bananas ruin a smoothie and can be detected so easily. I like bananas and banana bread, but I would like to taste other fruits in my smoothie.
Depends on your diet. I actually thought he was talking about dehydrated yellow peas for a moment before I realized he was just talking about slightly dehydrated urine. By the time you get brown you're either so incredibly dehydrated that you're on the verge of death or your muscles are breaking down. If this happens to you frequently, please see a doctor and get a sample test of the next time it happens to make sure you don't have something unusual metabolicly happening that could be dangerous long-term. I'm pretty sure certain diets can also cause this and are largely benign but you should always get it checked out if you're getting brown urine and don't know why!
7:35 One of my pet peeves: when people think that the biological definition of fruit, berry, etc are the be-all end-all. The culinary definition of these terms are just as valid and just as useful.
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"Alright, reel it in, Sabrina," cracked me up 😂
I didn’t understand that, what’d she say that made him say that?? Was it like offensive??
@@billyalarie929she knows too much 😂 they can't have a silly tangent if she's going to spit facts like that
@@billyalarie929 i think it was going into tangent-of-a-tangent territory & they gotta keep going for the show structure and momentum 😂
I'm just five minutes in and the the group is fully debunking Hank's theory that it would be too large to hold a conversation - the chemistry is excellent
Gotta love it when two of your favorite shows do a successful collaboration.
It's such a great group of people all together!
Me screaming at the screen “BABY FOOD” when they’re wondering where the hell banana peels could come from
I didn't even think of that! I was just listing ewvery single banana-containing thing I could remember seeing on supermarket aisles. Not as flavouring but as ingredient. So many smoothies, plus loads of desserts, cakes, pies, there's dried banana slices either on their own or as part of nut and fruti mixes, cereal and fruit bars, the little plastic boxes with those "one of your 5 a day" and it's a mix of various small fruits or chopped fruit. All these require specialist factories and someone in that logistics stream has got to be peeling a lot of bananas.
This is so fun! Stefan is back! Hi! "Nuts are ovaries." Very confusing out of context.
And yet, makes complete sense
Banana blossoms (aka banana hearts) are used in Filipino cuisine! My two personal faves are (1) cooking it in coconut milk (ginataan), and (2) turning it into a fried burger patty and pairing it with banana ketchup 😋
Came here to say this but banana blossom curry.
It's like a giant artichoke heart. The best.
Sri Lankan cuisine too!! 😁
I wish it was possible to have them on every episode. Just having a visible audience to be shocked at everything ceri says is amazing
the HORROR on their faces aaahahahahahaaaa!!
I love that multiple people in this pod have paint samples on the wall 😂
The first thing I noticed!
Same!
Lmao my people
Yeah what's with that?
@@aaronkaw4857probably just all happened to be painting walls lmao
Purple bird feeder is what my adult kids called the banana flower when they first saw them over the fence as they attracted beautiful honey eaters ( tropical birds) to our yard
Ceri detonated brains on this one.
"Who's gonna test out the banana hammocks if not the bananas" is something I didn't know I needed on a shirt until today XDDDD
More, more, more looong Tangents Please
"I made banana pasta. I used two ingredients, banana and pasta."
I loved this episode! I feel like Sam has been desensitized to the shenanigans of scientists and science, having guests with different backgrounds makes this so much fun!!
More everyday people!
(Also, more episodes about specific foods would be awesome, the explanation on the banana genes was so deliciously satisfying. If we are to survive we need to know our foods 😂)
Came here from Spotify just to say that this was great! Loved the chaotic energy, and seeing the AIP team is always a joy.
Also I'm very happy to see Stefan back!!
This collab was delightful.
My favourite fact about bananas is 'gros michele' in english translates to 'big mike" which, of course it does
Awesome episode! When I saw how many people I thought it would be chaos. Y'all keep it all fun and informative. I like that Stefan came back too.
Great fun watching the chemistry between you all in this episode.
I think one of the most important things about bananas is that artificial banana flavor in candies and whatnot does NOT taste like modern bananas at all. It tastes like the extinct variety that was popular in the 1940s a 1950s when chemical flavorings were developed to match natural plants.
NO WAY YALL DID AN EPISODE TOGETHERRRR
LOVE IT ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
This might have been my favorite episode yet. 💜
"Yes, sir. Although, funnily enough, [banana]'s not actually a fruit, sir."
"Really?"
"Yes, sir. Botanically, it's a type of fish, sir."
Sir Terry Pratchett
I know this is a quote probably from literature but also, for added funsies, fish don't exist!
Wow, this is shaping up to be the Oops All Tangents episode.
👏 Incredible 👏 episode. thank you for this collaboration 😌
best guests!! loved this episode because it felt like classic tangents.
I was already hyped up for this episode seeing that it's a collab with Answer in Progress, and that Stefan is a guest too. 10 minutes in and I'm already having to pause because I'm laughing so much that I can't focus on what they're saying anymore.
I now understand how the topic for this episode was chosen. "Guys, we're going to have a Collab. It's going to be Bananas!!" 😂😂💛💛
Love, that Ceri and Taha are apparently trying out new wall colours. I like the blue!
Hey, you used my question! Thanks! Ceri, thank you for the deep dive, that's pretty much exactly what I was wondering about. Having such a monoculture makes them extremely vulnerable to pathogens.
On the topic of spare banana peels, due to strict regulations on the size and shape (including angle?) of bananas, there are a ridiculous number of bananas discarded in farms each year. Here in Australia, 37,000 tonnes of bananas are discarded from farms every year. So the banana peel and banana waste issue is significant, and in fact I personally am a consumer of green banana flour, which I believe is made from the peel and banana itself, although i have never thought to make pasta with it :)
Interesting, in the United States they've stopped doing this and we have lots of bananas now that are huge or tiny or super curved or not curved at all in the stores. They all taste like cavendish but they are a variety of shapes and sizes. I actually had a bunch that was the size of a toddler's baseball bat! I think with the fungal disease causing problems they're starting to accept resistant mutations regardless of what they look like as long as they still taste about the same. The thing that confuses me though is there is a ton of different varieties of bananas many of which have unique flavors that are just absolutely exquisite. I have no idea why the majority of stores only stock cavendish other than political reasons. I recently brought some of the other varieties which by the way are never labeled as what they are so you just have to know what they look like, to my office for people to try and everyone was blown away. They just kept saying I thought they all tasted the same! This is incredible it's got this extra tang and it's sweeter. It tastes like apples. It tastes like a strawberry! It tastes like pineapple!!
I guess one difference is is that the other varieties aren't exposed to a gas to make them ripen quicker because faster ripening seems to leave them with some texture issues, but other than that I have no idea. I'm thankful that there's this one Asian market out of many Asian markets mind you where I live that just gets in piles of random varieties of bananas throughout the year.
This was a lot of fun. Seeing so many people in one podcast is excitingggggggg 🎉
Great collaboration. Now subscribed and binging.
As someone who can't smell, I can confirm that bananas do, indeed, taste of something. They are not all smell.
Bananas USED to taste better, with stronger flavor, but because the better bananas were mostly being made in the same geographic area, every clone died to the same disease. We've been chasing that better banana since
Gros Michelle bananas were the best!
For what it's worth we didn't actually lose that original variety we just lost it for commercial production. This means that we can actually compare it to other varieties and I've actually heard that in the many decades since it's decline the gross Michelle is actually no longer the most flavorful variety out there. I recently had something that was marked as a cavendish but it tasted like banana candy and I am suspicious that that came out of a breeding program related to the original gross Michelle. Especially given the fact that it was about 2 to 4 times the size of Cavendish that I see for sale regularly now. The reason I say two to four times is because there's basically two sizes that I see for sale regularly one about half the size of the other at the moment. Edit: by breeding program I mean the weird monster stuff that we do with their genetics not literal crossing. It's still breeding program even if it's not actually pretty okay let's just call it a genetics program 😂😂
"I'm gonna throw feces at the wall" 😂😂😂
Every time Hank says “banana” I giggle like an absolute goofball
Apparently, they brought back the banana phone... and this time, it's Yellow!
Simply tremendous Pod. I would love to see a similarly (large format) attended in the future. Combination of informative and hilarious. During "difficult times" we all need more of this type of YTube content. Thanks.
❤ Stephen. We miss his videos.
I don't usually watch the video form, but I loved the inclusion of photos of different fruits' flowers at 8:24. Great episode!!
Banana baby food, that process probably has an exorbitant waste of peels.
As a French person: the s in Gros Michel is definitely silent 😉
So glad to see you all in this episode, it was a really fun one to watch!
This was such a great episode! I enjoy the usual trio that regularly host, but this was a fun group to mix it up!
This episode sounds a party where everyone seems to be having fun. You should do this again.
I was CACKLING throughout this entire episode. I loved this collab! I also feel vindicated by Melissa also not liking bananas 😂
Great episode, loved it!
Ahhh not only answer in progress but ALSO STEPHEN CHIN!!
This episode was an absolute hoot to watch. 😂. ツ
It's my 7 favorite people all in one video!
This episode was a BLAST!! Thoroughly enjoyed this one! Thank you weird outsiders (AKA the Answer in Progress gang) for entertaining us....or at least me...a lot.
Best collab ever! Couldn't stop laughing
This might be one of my favorite episodes 😂
This was the funniest episode of all
Wth... why did "but a fire" cut out? I had to go back and check it wasnt my brain short circuting 😅
I did the same thing!!
21:21 Like a kiwi? Nonononoooo thanks.
I did that once and the "hairs" on the skin made my throat itch for what felt like hours (I was 12 at the time - I wasn't watching the clock).
Never again!
Philippine ketchup is made with bananas, which is interesting for a very cool reason. If you like food, or history, or food history, definitely read on:
When the Portuguese first started visiting Asia by ship, they fell in love with the fermented fish sauces they found everywhere. It didn't transport very well, so they tried replicating it in Europe, but they just didn't have the right fish species or methodology to match the Asian sauces. This started a culinary craze to find the most delicious combination of fermented ingredients, which gave us Worcestershire and mushroom or fish ketchup and a bunch of other things.
The tomato variety only became the norm when Henry Heinz blew America away with one of the best ad campaigns ever. On the brink of bankruptcy, he gambled with a new tomato recipe that would keep its colour, packing it in clear glass to advertise the new recipe. It hardly needs to be said how iconic that bottle became, and it did so almost as soon as it hit the market. It replaced all other ketchup types. He standardized not only the tomato variety, but the "K" spelling as well.
Then, when America occupied the Philippines after WWII, the locals loved the Heinz ketchup they were getting from the army. But it was expensive to import in bulk, and tomatoes weren't growing well in the region, so they started trying other ingredients, and eventually settled on bananas.
So Philippine ketchup is the result of a fascination and desire to imitate foreign sauces circumnavigating the globe and those sauces changing based on whatever a region thought would work best locally. Nearly the exact same situation repeated itself 400 years apart. It's poetry in motion.
"Who is buying pre-peeled bananas?" Also indstrial processes! Think of any pre-made dessert that contains banana. Any smoothies and juices that contain banana. Somewhere along the line there's got to be a big warehouse where all those bananas are being peeled before being used to make some product.
i laughed outloud through this whole ep :D The number of players worked great, I could totally follow everyone's contributions and asides and call-backs - LOVE IT! Combining two established performing troupes works so well on Tangents 😂😂😂😂😂 Also so good to see Stephan again!!!👋👋👋
This is the best episode
desperately need them to have sam reich on the show JUST so he can go "and i've been here the whole time" for the ending remarks
Interesting that "banana" might come from an Arabic word since the Latin name "musa" for the genus also comes from what is currently the Arabic word for banana, "muz"/"mawz" (depends on the dialect), which has its own long history of being loaned in a chain of languages all the way from Papua through Malaysia, India, and Persia.
I think they just asked a toddler What should we call this?
Calling the Gros Michel "Gross" Michel - while inaccurate pronunciation - is VERY in-character for Melissa, noted hater of bananas.
great show 👍
Oh what fun ! lol nice show guys ! 💕
Dong flower is funny
They’re saying banana bread a lot and I’m over here saying baby food.
12:10 It's technically correct to call bananas an herb, the term's just super broad in proper botanical use. It's just anything upright, non-woody, and not grass-like.
Is the fact that a strawberry is an accessory fruit one of the reasons that the garden strawberry wasn't really domesticated until about 250 years ago?
Strawberries were domesticated way before then by the native Americans and started as a hybrid between two American species. They did not become domesticated to the general world population and tell the Americas were discovered. And then very intensive breeding programs upscaled the fruit rapidly but the foundation of domestication and strawberries goes back way further than 250 years. The real question is why Europeans who also had their own species of strawberries didn't think to try and selectively breathe them and tell after they'd seen what the native Americans made. Both lineages continue to be domesticated, but the really big ones are the ones from The Americas because they got a jump start. Sorry I hope that is readable I'm using voice to text from hand injury and it's getting a couple of words not quite right.
As a botanist and a person who likes shocking people, I LOVE how absurd the definition section seemed to some of the contestants.
best episode!!!! hi answer in progress 👋👋
The argument that vegetable don't exist is from the fact the 'vegetable' isn't a valid category in scientific taxonomy. However, 'Arguments That Debunk Vegetables' is not a valid category in scientific taxonomy and therefore doesn't exist.
There is no such thing as an argument that debunks vegetables
banana chips are pre peeled too!
Caught the release in FB but prefer the extra visual. Call me bananas!
Is it just me or does this look like a mutant episode of Lateral. 😅 Minus Tom Scott. 😮
The most tangenty episode since the Babies episode.
6am is sleeping in
Wait... is a strawberry more like a corn cob, then?
Don’t several regions use bananas as staple crop now days?
Bananas 100 percent ruin smoothies!!!
Edit: I'm telling all those in my circle that they've eaten plant ovaries. Great results.
It's funny and a bit disconcerting that you'll call them kiwi and not kiwifruit, because that means something different in the te reo* and colloquial language of the country of origin of that word. *reo, the×2 is funny too.
Grow Me Shell! 🐚 🍌 🍬
This episode is Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's worst nightmare!
Wow.
I am with the Ceri and Melissa bananas ruin a smoothie and can be detected so easily. I like bananas and banana bread, but I would like to taste other fruits in my smoothie.
Don't eat grass, eat grass seeds
Do you know what a spiral looks like from the side?
hint: A LOT LIKE A BANANA
Cool
Baby food banana peel waste for banana flour maybe
I thought dehydrated pee was more brown?
Depends on your diet. I actually thought he was talking about dehydrated yellow peas for a moment before I realized he was just talking about slightly dehydrated urine. By the time you get brown you're either so incredibly dehydrated that you're on the verge of death or your muscles are breaking down. If this happens to you frequently, please see a doctor and get a sample test of the next time it happens to make sure you don't have something unusual metabolicly happening that could be dangerous long-term. I'm pretty sure certain diets can also cause this and are largely benign but you should always get it checked out if you're getting brown urine and don't know why!
Julie Garcia offered 3 meals a day?!??!?!
We don't even get THAT in CANADA!
"asexual daughters" aren't they called pups?
7:35 One of my pet peeves: when people think that the biological definition of fruit, berry, etc are the be-all end-all. The culinary definition of these terms are just as valid and just as useful.
I was JUST thinking about Chin coins during a recent episode and missing that guy, what a treat! 🥹